White Sox Organizational Depth Chart
I'm sure some of you are familiar with these. Moneyball, co-authored by Billy Beane and Billy's IBM Laptop, introduced the concept to a wider audience. It's exactly what it purports to be: a player depth chart for an organization from the majors all the way down the minors. They're an excellent way to easily identify the strengths and weaknesses of a system. During the season, I use it as my cheat sheet for the players I follow.
After the jump is my preliminary take for 2010. You'll notice that there are empty spots. These will likely be filled by free agents or organizational players who simply are not worth mentioning on a depth chart. Also, the players currently listed at Rookie are those I'd expect to not be at a full season affiliate but are important enough to be included. Finally, I don't include DH because, if you're a DH in the minors, you're not likely to ever see the majors. And since the White Sox don't actually have a major league DH, it works even better this season. I also don't include bench spots because my purpose for this is more for the minor leagues. Charts that do would likely simply include such players in the same box as another player, such as "Pierzynski/Righty Hitting Catcher".
Let me know what you think.
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Catcher |
1B |
2B |
SS |
3B |
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MLB |
Pierzynski |
Konerko |
Beckham |
Ramirez |
Teahen |
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AAA |
Flowers |
Retherford |
Lillibridge |
Viciedo |
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AA |
L. Johnson |
Gallagher |
Mollenhauer |
Morel |
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A+ |
Phegley |
Escobar |
Gilmore |
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A |
Gonzalez |
Black |
Avila |
Silverio |
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Rookie |
Del Valle |
Mercedes |
L. Sanchez |
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LF |
CF |
RF |
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MLB |
Pierre |
Rios |
Quentin |
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AAA |
De Aza |
Gartrell |
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AA |
Shelby |
Danks |
Marrero |
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A+ |
Kuhn |
Mitchell |
Greene |
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A |
Ciolli |
Colligan |
Shoemaker |
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Rookie |
Alcala |
Thompson |
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Starters |
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MLB |
Buehrle, Peavy, Danks, Floyd, Garcia |
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AAA |
Hudson, Marquez, Cassel, Harrell, Hynick |
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AA |
Shirek, McCulloch, A. Carter, Rasner, Edwards |
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A+ |
Infante, Leesman, Sauer, Serafin |
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A |
Griffith, Ballinger, Wickswat, Collop, Upchurch |
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Rookie |
Holmberg, Heidenreich, Matos |
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Relievers |
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MLB |
Jenks, Putz, Thornton, Pena, Linebrink, R. Williams, Torres |
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AAA |
Santeliz, Nunez, Omogrosso, Dolsi |
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AA |
N. Jones, Luis, Santos |
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A+ |
Bellamy, Remenowsky, Corley |
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A |
S. Rodriguez, Buch |
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You're thinking Buch out of the 'pen?
Or have you heard as much? I know he was a reliever with the Voyagers but hopefully that doesn’t mean anything going forward.
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i didn't have room at A.
obviously, i’m still playing with roles. and i imagine the white sox will, as well. they frequently start guys in the pen and move them into the rotation later in the season when a spot opens up. see sauer last season. and with the shit that’s above them, i imagine there will be plenty of spots that can open up.
Speaking of Buch
Would you like to proclaim any sleepers from the ’09 class?
Any idea if Holmberg is likely/projected to add some velocity to his fastball?
Quite aware how early it is to talk 2010 draft as everything is subject to change, but is it likely to be as pitching heavy as last year’s class?
Thanks
Buch is definitely my sleeper pick.
Control is Buch’s big achilles heel. If he learns some control then he has the upside of a number 3 starter.
Dan Black intrigues me, he appears to have good on base skills and power so it will be interesting to see what he does next year.
Taylor Thompson is another one to watch. I don’t know too much about him but I hear the org likes him a lot (not enough to take him inside the first 43 rounds, however!). They think he could be a fast riser.
And then there’s the elderly masters of rookie ball such as Joe Serafin, Brady Shoemaker and Nick Cioli. It will be interesting to see what they can do next year also.
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by The Big Hurt on Jan 10, 2010 5:13 PM CST up reply actions
ciolli.
it’s possible he may add some but i wouldn’t count on it.
you can see the depth chart. tell me what you think the system lacks. pitching seems to be it.
Sorry
I was unclear.
I was wondering about the strength of the upper portion of the 2010 draft class in its entirety. Not specifically what the Sox are likely to draft. IE the first round of the ’08 draft was loaded with position players.
It's loaded with crappy prospects
Compared to the last few years at least. Morgado seems a likely first round pick unless he blows up in between now and June.
The outfielder Bryce Brentz is who I really like at this point. On talent he could be a top 10 pick but corner outfielders have a tendency to slip.
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by The Big Hurt on Jan 10, 2010 7:11 PM CST up reply actions
If Brentz has a good year like last year I wouldn't expect him to fall to Sox. The hitting is weak.
It’s less of a stretch than hoping for Colon, though.
And damn it would have been nice to sign Morgado, but they may have had to pay him more than Mitchell and they probably weren’t prepared for his stock to shoot up that much between the draft and the signing deadline.
It’s strong up the middle though near the top especially if you’re willing to dip into the high school ranks. Should also be interesting if Zack Cox becomes a pos. player prospect.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 10, 2010 10:23 PM CST up reply actions
Two things
1st- wow this really shows (not that it was needed) how weak the depth or system is.
2nd- how ironic after dealing with BA, Wise and Jerry Owens that CF for the Sox is so strong now.
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by homesickalien on Jan 10, 2010 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
Also
I’ve had a long morning and I hate the fucking Eagles, man!
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by homesickalien on Jan 10, 2010 12:33 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Certification, or the prostate?
You ARE over 40, OPOS.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
since i'm a white sox fan
i frequently run afoul of the don’t mention organizational players who simply are not worth mentioning on a depth chart rule. i usually put down the full rotations for each affiliate, even though there’s usually total crap in most spots (see AAA and AA), if only because i can use it to easily keep track of when real prospects have their turns.
and, in terms of how i think of prospects, it’s more of a keeping track chart than an eventual role chart. guys like viciedo and thompson are in positions where i do no think they will be long-term (i.e., when/if they reach the majors). and obviously most starters are not going to be starters.
I like this
thanks for the info!
Please forward to KW, so he knows what is going on. I think Buddy Bell is trying to sabotage him.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
Do you think the Cuban pimp stays at 3B
now that Morel is showing something? Now that Allen is gone and basically Dayan is a butcher at 3B, would make the move to 1B seem more logical?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
bell already said he's going to play some 1B this year.
that means it’s essentially over at third. i imagine the way it will go is he’ll do some sort of split between the two positions in the first half or so and then when/if morel if promoted, he moves permanently.
What channel can I catch Dayan playing 3b on?
You know. Before I go giving a strong opinion on his defense.
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 10, 2010 6:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Real Interesting
I know that you did not include bench spots for the White Sox, but isn’t there a possibility that Hudson starts over Garcia for the 5th spot in the rotation, Flowers as the back up catcher for the Sox which may put Armstrong as the starting AAA cathcer,, Danks plays LF in AAA instead of CF in AA because he may be ready, and that Quentin plays left, Jones/Kotsay plays right, and Pierre as the DH?
one by one.
no to hudson, garcia has it wrapped. maybe he’s in the bullpen.
i doubt flowers will be the back-up. service time concerns and he still needs consistent reps at catcher.
frankly, any of the AA outfielders could be in AAA. if danks is, he will be in CF, not LF.
sox have already said quentin is in right and pierre is in left. makes sense to me.
Garcia
Do you think Hudson is. still first in line if (when?) Garcia gets hurt? Assuming Hudson is at AAA, is he first choice or does Torres have a shot?
Obviously the specifics of any situation would come into play, but what’s your general feeling?
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by KarkoviceIsHawt on Jan 10, 2010 3:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I See
Thanks for clearing that up. I agree that Hudson will be with the White Sox whether he is in the bullpen or in the starting rotation, I also agree that Danks will be in AAA, and you are probably right that he will playing center over De Aza, however I do disagree with the fact Quentin will be in right, and Pierre will be in left, because of what I remember from watching Pieree, he was not that good in the outfield. I do remember Pierre having extremly good speed, poor arm strength, and decent reads on balls. As for the Tyler Flowers scenario, I think that Flowers should be in AAA to gain more experience, but I think that Flowers will be the back-up cathcer come opening day, unless the Sox sign a free agent.
fanatic I don't get the Q stuff with you
The have clearly said Quentin will be in right and its his best position. The only reason he wasn’t moved last year was risk of injury from mid season position change. Pierre is decent outfielder with no arm – more of reason for him to be in left. I really don’t what your eyes have to do with it. ;-)
"Oh well back to work"
I guess I just do not see it
You both are probably right, I just do not see it, not saying you are wrong.
Larry... can viciedo hit?
does he show you anything??? the sox are unwilling to spend money and with konerko leaving at the end of this year (unless they get the crazy idea to bring him back…which will probably happen) the cupboard is awfully bare at first.
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i have trouble seeing him ready for next year.
and that’s not necessarily a knock on him – he’ll be 22. there are plenty of prospects – top ones, too – who aren’t ready at that age. i do not get the insistence on pushing him to charlotte after an AA showing that can most favorably be described as a young kid holding his own. the hitting tools are there but he needs to show them.
part of the reason it looks bare at 1B is because of how prospects are developed. often guys are kept at another position in the hope that they’ll be able to stick there. viciedo’s likely treatment is an example of that. both viciedo and marrero are guys that one could reasonably put at 1B.
barring a bed shitting (which isn’t unheard of for PK), i think we’ll see a two year extension with the thought that he’ll play 1B and DH.
that makes me sad.
are any of these prospects good enough to trade for the Prince or Adrian?
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Hudson, Flowers, Mitchell, maybe Viciedo, Danks and/or Morel as throw-ins.
They would have to pay Viciedo’s salary, most likely. I really wouldn’t like that barring an immediate extension, though, and Prince has Boras in his breast pocket.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 10, 2010 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
Druw won't be asking for $22 million a year over eight years any time soon.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 10, 2010 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
He has Boras in his pocket.
That’s all I’m sayin’. And any other agent would be dialing up the dollars for Prince, too.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
If Boras had Gonzalez and not Fielder, Gonzalez would make more money than Prince.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 10, 2010 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
This lays things out pretty clearly.
Nice job. In still stuck on Upchurch and hope he finally starts showing what he can do.
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by omnipotent grab on Jan 10, 2010 12:12 PM CST reply actions
Shift Beckham to SS and call on Retherford
It wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world.
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by The Big Hurt on Jan 10, 2010 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
That's right
I forgot about Nix.
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by The Big Hurt on Jan 10, 2010 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
it's january.
there’s room for a whole lot between now and april. and, as has often been mentioned, we’re talking about a player who passed through waivers unclaimed twice.
Nix would be claimed if put through waivers
possibly within the division.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 10, 2010 5:09 PM CST up reply actions
he's a 1+ WAR player with power and defense, upside enough to pull off a Joe Crede type season
playing for the minimum. and doesn’t he have a say whether or not he’ll go to the minors in the first place?
"It's good to let your hair lie fallow every so often."
perhaps.
i don’t view him much differently than i did last year at this time. at any rate, maybe i’m jaded, but if we’re talking about an alexei ramirez injury, i think i can point out that this team isn’t exactly lacking candidates for injury, particularly on the bench. not to mention that the very player in question hurt himself last ST. i think i’ll leave the bench construction worries for march.
i just assumed he was gone
between vizquel and teahen, nix’s skills are totally redundant on this team.
"It's good to let your hair lie fallow every so often."
so then who is your favorite for the 5th bench spot?
de aza? you make the roster today, nix is on it. if they don’t sign a DH, nix is on it. if someone gets injured, nix is on it. or at least he should be on it.
Agreed
I don’t believe a bat with some pop can be considered redundant.
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 10, 2010 6:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
i'm not going to say they will (even if they should)
but you don’t see them signing a DH before the season? even so, they’re going to fill that spot eventually, at which point someone is off the team. i’m assuming Jones is also a possibility to get cut, so he could still sneak back on…but isn’t it pretty clear the Sox aren’t making plans for him?
"It's good to let your hair lie fallow every so often."
unless their plan is to sign the last remaining DH on the market, whoever that may be
they’ve sure been quiet about any interest they have in signing someone for that role. and if that’s their plan, it’s a fucking stupid plan.
as for making plans, exactly what sort of player do you see them using for that last spot instead of nix. as i said, unless you believe what they’re looking for is a speedy guy who can play center (de aza or, god forbid, lillibridge), sort of seems like nix kind of fits the role.
unless they're playing poker, they've said repeatedly that they do not plan on using a full time dh.
if that is the case, nix has a spot. if they do sign another player for the dh role, nix looks like the odd man out.
He can replace Cox.
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 11, 2010 7:02 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
what about someone like laroche?
too expensive for a 1-2 yr deal?
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just making sure you don't think that's the case
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Thanks, larbear.
This reminded me that there was no mention of Stumpy in the last/recent post about Sox’ top minor leaguers.
But I’m under the influence of mimosas, so I might be wrong
I might be wrong
I couldve sworn I saw a light
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Too wordy
Keep the word count down if you want larry to read this.
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 10, 2010 7:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
larry, thank you for having a lot of time on your hands.
Get your wife pregnant, fer Chrissakes. KenWo, Trooper, Hazy, et.al. should be showing you the way.
God work, BTW.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
Good (nice Freudian thing, don't you think?).
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
this took about 15 minutes.
once you’ve created the chart, updating it isn’t exactly time-consuming.
And time with mrs. larry can't take much more.
You are, if anything, extremely efficient.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
23 hours and 45 minutes left.
i don’t like her that much.
by larry on Jan 10, 2010 2:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You don't like anybody that much, except larry's Mom.
And that’s only because she was a good little hit-and-run handler of the bat and a keystone fixture for years.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
I am working on the presumption you believe you are already there...
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by Hazymania on Jan 11, 2010 12:05 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
This might be a violently obvious question
but does inclusion in this chart indicate a positive likelihood of contributing at the ML level? (Equally obvious, this only applies to the lesser-talked about non-Mitchell/Hudson/Flowers names.)
I found this informitational and charty
Thanks to whomever wrote it
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by billyok on Jan 10, 2010 5:53 PM CST via mobile reply actions
(larry's email to BOK about offering an editor job gets deleted once more.)
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I don't want the job
Just the title
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by billyok on Jan 10, 2010 6:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
and the chicks
chicks dig the longball and titles
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Too much text to read Phil.
You’re charts look pretty though!
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 10, 2010 7:03 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I'm not a big Aubrey Huff supporter
but jesus christ.. 3 million? we could have used him. My guess is they are seeing which one of jermaine or thome is without a job near spring training and throw them a courtesy offer. I hear my personal preference, Carlos Delgado, is close with the orioles.
and the Cincy reds sign Chapman? Thats pretty cool I guess… about time one of these guys didn’t go to the yanks, bo sox or mets.
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