John Sickels on Jared Mitchell
Jared Mitchell, OF, Chicago White Sox
Bats: L Throws: L HT: 6-0 WT: 190 DOB: October 13, 1988
In terms of pure tools, Jared Mitchell was one of the premier talents available in the 2009 draft. The 23rd overall pick, he earned a $1,200,000 bonus. He could have gone even higher if he had concentrated on baseball in college: he also played football, and didn't turn his attention towards baseball full-time until last spring. As a result, he was rather raw as college players go. Even so, he made dramatic improvements last spring, as his LSU numbers above show: note the improved power production along with a much higher walk rate last year compared to 2008. Mitchell is an amazing athlete with excellent speed and plenty of physical strength. He doesn't show much home run power yet, but many scouts think he'll develop at least 10-15 home run power to go with 40-50 steal potential. Unlike most raw tools players, Mitchell works counts and draws plenty of walks, boosting his on-base percentage. His swing is very smooth at times, but he goes through phases where he can't make contact, giving him a high strikeout rate that could be an issue as he moves up. He is still learning how to steal bases, and scouts have sometimes criticized his outfield routes, although I think the latter issue is overblown and reviews on his glovework in the Sally League were positive. He's intelligent and coaches praise his makeup and work ethic. I really like Mitchell a lot, and while he has work to do refining his game, his upside is very high and I think he's already made a great deal of progress refining it. My main worry is that the White Sox will rush him before he's ready. Grade B.
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"I will say this about our DH - whoever is the DH will be in the [bleeping] lineup.''
and more gems from ozzie. read the whole thing.
http://blogs.suntimes.com/whitesox/2010/01/ozzie_speaks_on_the_eve_of_sox.html
Uh-oh. Rios in the BA house already? Surprised Cowley didn't feature that.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
i suppose cowley would substitute shy for laid-back if rios were from california
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Jan 21, 2010 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
he's lost it
2010 White Sox - Benching our way to the playoffs.
by blackoutsox on Jan 21, 2010 10:30 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe he confused Pierre with Rios..
It’s Ozzie.. no reason to think he couldn’t have been drunk.
by Grinder in Training on Jan 22, 2010 8:18 AM CST up reply actions
Save you the trouble Kenwo
“This guy is a fucking idiot. When are goofs like Tdogg going to wake up and stop holding his nuts”
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
So Tdogg can't find unmarried white women?
Sheeeit.
Wrigley Field is a postage stamp shithole. It reeks of piss worse than R. Kelly’s underage girlfriend. It’s falling apart faster than Amy Winehouse. Their fans are denial-addled jagoffs of lowest stripe.
they're finding him.
as you and i both know, the greg norman straw hat is like catnip for the white pussy. however, they recoil and withdraw once they find out that he has not yet passed all his microsoft tests.
2 more and that shit is mine!
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
by Tdogg on Jan 21, 2010 10:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
wow. after reading this my opinion of Ozzie has sunk lower than it ever has before
if he wants to manage a national league lineup… go take over for lou. good lord. What in the hell does he mean the DH position is changing? is he retarded? how is it changing… you are allowed the opportunity to put one guy in the lineup that only has to do one job…. MASH. What an asshat.
Kenwo4life=ratings
well that just goes to show he's even more retarded
because playing in the Cell it would behoove you to be a home run team…. or at least a team that doesn’t have Juan Pierre in left Mark Kotsay at first and Omar Vizquel DH’ing.
Kenwo4life=ratings
This is a pretty big indictment on the organization
there have to be people in the front office who are aware of just how stupid an idea this is, yes? I’ve refused to believe that the Sox would be so dumb as to not sign Thome for what will likely be around or less than $3 million. This is a fucking joke.
I'm shocked
KW isn’t dumb. And yet, picking a DH on their ability to play the field is probably the stupidest baseball decision I’ve heard.
With the lack of power and OBP and people getting caught stealing left and right I think the Sox offense is going to absolutely atrocious next year. They are costing themselves a division title.
by hitlesswonder on Jan 21, 2010 7:54 PM CST up reply actions
No they arent nothing is permanent
If I had cash for what people “knew” what this offense would do from year to year I’d be rich. A rebounded Quentin and Rios could certainly provide enough offense.
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
you know, Buds committee at the winter meetings discussed many things
one of them being getting rid of the DH in the AL. maybe they know something we dont know?
Hopefully this never happens, I love the DH.
"I think that's a lot of horse muffins." - Bob Feller
I argue all the time with my Cub friends
’Why the hell would I want to see the pitcher bat?"
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
I argue all the time with my White Sox friends
“Why the hell would I want to see Juan Pierre bat?”
by larry on Jan 22, 2010 12:49 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
to see him 'pressurize'?
Pierre was a really good player back in 2003 and 2004 with the Marlins, and his 2006 in Chicago was good as well. Nyjer Morgan and Brett Gardner might be decent contemporary comparisons. Now, like Scott Podsednik, he’s sort of an anti-Ichiro. His (past) speed and baserunning can convince a GM that he’s an ideal candidate to be a "center fielder put in the corner who will make up for his bat with his defense." Unfortunately, his range isn’t what it used to be, his arm can’t make up for it, and his speed is no longer adequate to sneak on base on dink hits, which means his flagging baserunnig skills also aren’t as useful as they used to be. I guess he’s in the AL Central now, so that means more games against middle infielders like, um, Yuniesky Betancourt.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/three-true-outcomes-trailers-2007-2009
I've been thinking the same thing
hopefully this is just KW pandering to guillen, letting him have his dream roster for a month or so, then signing a DH
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
You are taking it took much to the extreme guys.
Is it really that shocking that KW would give Ozzie a chance to prove it his way? Not really.
A. I don’t know if the initial battle is lost yet. Ozzie pretty much admitted that internally there is some talk about it. That’s why he didn’t flat out rule it out.
B. If they go this way. KW will have a some type of back up plan it would not extend season long
C. The chances of Jones working out is not zero and people seem to make that assumption
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
True.
Wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if Jones ends up doing well.
"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"
Id still be surprised
But the chances are not impossible. He did have 1 good half last year and is in a position to really prove something if he cares. I love Thome but people are too hung up on him. If Guillen insist that he wants some versatility out of the DH (roster spot-I know I know), find him better option. I want the left handed bat but hell maybe Dye does began to make sense if its him or nothing. Lets just stop the charges into the windmill.
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
Having a DH that can play the field is OK as long as he can hit too
I just think that having a Jone/Kotsay platoon is crazy. I know Andruw had a good half last season, but his last 1000 at-bats have provided a .700 OPS. And Kotsay isn’t any better.
So, if Ozzie wants a DH that can field give him Damon or Blalock or convince him Branyan can wear a glove. But get someone who can hit.
I know that acquisitions can occur in-season, but I’d rather see the Sox grab a guy on a cheap 1 or 2 year deal now than give up prospects in a trade.
by hitlesswonder on Jan 21, 2010 8:31 PM CST up reply actions
Case in point with the zero% stuff again.
The Jones in Texas was different than the Jones in LA. All this is kind of irrelevant see 1,2,3 above.
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
Q makes for a fine DH
if druw can be a decent OF.
"I think that's a lot of horse muffins." - Bob Feller
That's why I'm still holding out some hope
I seem to recall a quote a few years back where Ozzie downplayed how much say he has in making the roster, something along the lines of, “KW makes the roster and I work with the guys he gives me.” And really, that’s the way it should be.
Even so, Ozzie shouldn’t shoulder all of the blame if the Sox don’t sign a real DH before April. KW is the guy who signed Kotsay to a $1.5 million deal — would he have gotten half of that on the open market? Besides that, though, there should be enough reasonable minds in the organization to be able to sit Ozzie down and lay out the myriad reasons why the current rotating DH plan is stupid as fuck. The main point I’d get across to Ozzie is the fact that adding Thome doesn’t preclude him from getting the bench guys a lot of at-bats. Odds are Thome won’t make it through the season completely unscathed, Quentin ain’t exactly a beacon of good health and even Konerko has been knicked up at various times over the past two years*. And hey, if it turns out that Andrew Jones is “IN THE BEST SHAPE OF HIS LIFE!” and Kotsay continues to hit like he did with the Sox, that’s a good problem to have.
And I’ll also restate that the “well, they’ll fix it in May or June” is unacceptable. As has been mentioned several times here over the past few months, when the division has been decided by one-game playoffs each of the past two years, you can’t afford to be taking needless gambles for the first 20-30% of the season.
*Hmm, I thought he missed time in 2010 but he had 600+ PAs and played in 150+ games.
May maybe but not June.
I could live with it if it happens. I hear you on the 1 game but the weight of whether Rios and Q rebound will overshadow it anyway. If the all star break rolls around and the Sox have been stubborn, I’ll be the first to say I was wrong. A more likely scenario is the DH production is barely adequate but other factors have the Sox in first anyway.
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
Right cuz if they make the playoffs
teams are eager to face that staff.
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
OOOOO that staff... scary!!!!
Right now, if i made my predictions the sox would have the worst staff of the 4 that make the playoffs. Yankees, Red Sox and Mariners all better. The staff is good enough to take us to the central title but there has to be a good offense come playoff time.
I’m still not convinced that I will predict the sox to win the central though.
Kenwo4life=ratings
The Mariners staff is not better. The Sux and Yankees are right there with us, yes, but the Mariners...
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by homesickalien on Jan 21, 2010 11:05 PM CST up reply actions
in the playoffs with a 5 game or 7 game series
and the way they space out the days between games b.s. king felix and lee are better than our guys.
Kenwo4life=ratings
This is kind of an indictment too:
“Here’s the problem for Guillen, though. He likes the 25-man roster in its current configuration, with the only remaining battles figuring to come down between Jayson Nix and Brent Lillibridge…”
maybe.
i suppose it depends upon how much said players play but i can see why ozzie would want someone who can pinch run and potentially play CF instead of nix.
Except we'll be guaranteed of seeing Lillibridge starting at least once a week on Ozzie's shitty lineup day.
Don’t laugh, but if Ozzie wants someone to pinch run and play CF, wouldn’t De Aza better fill that role?
Isn't much higher than Lillibridge? Really?
I recognize we’re only talking about the bench and a limited number of AB’s, but still.
I guess that's where I disagree.
Nix has substantially more power, comparable speed, and has shown at least some ability to hit Major League pitching. Lillibridge just sucks. On the one hand, this is probably like arguing over the world’s tallest midget (and Nix will probably strain his labia in ST and make this argument moot). On the other hand, given Ozzie’s fetish for playing with his lineup, we’re likely to see this guy for at least one start a week.
they do not have comparable speed. not even close.
people would have said essentially the same thing about nix last year at this time. i think lillibridge will make similar adjustments to whatever nix made. they’ll both have fine careers as bench players.
OK, but that's just speculation.
Right now, based on what we have seen, Nix has pretty clearly shown himself to be the better ballplayer.
What?
You’re essentially saying that a player with no demonstrable success in the majors is as likely to put up the same numbers as someone who at least has shown some success as a major league hitter.
so.
any projection is speculative. perhaps mine is moreso but nix is not some supremely talented player who has a large margin for skill deterioration or a long track record of production. the list of players who put up similar numbers as he did in 300 PAs and then fell off the earth is not exactly short.
I agree with that.
But isn’t there a greater likelihood that Player A will repeat his performance than Player B will perform in a way he’s never done before? I’d rather take my chances with Player A unless Player B is some supremely talented player with a high ceiling (which Lillibridge is not).
I doubt it.
You’d more likely see Omar once a week then either of those 2.
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
And that's better?
At this point I’d rather have Nix hitting than Omar.
No I wasn't implying that
I just said Omar is more likely to play once a week than those 2.
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
Nix did pull a couple impressive homers out of the park
but that was it as far as his offense.
"I think that's a lot of horse muffins." - Bob Feller
ehh, he worked counts nicely....
not saying, just saying
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 22, 2010 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
Woah woah woah
Pierre can play centerfield.
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 22, 2010 4:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe Ozzie has been reading up on Game Theory over the winter
And this is all just a negotiaiting tactic. Act like you’re crazy enough not to sign a DH so that the free agents underestimate their value to the team and sign for next to nothing. It’s just like the Russians spreading rumors that Nikita Khrushchev was insane in order to make their nuclear response threat more credible.
At the beginning of the off-season, yes.
But at this point in time, with prices for DH’s already pretty depressed and Thome practically begging to play for free, no. This is the talk of an actual crazy person.
didn't they say once that they are going to take it slow with mitchell?
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
I hope
That is not a nail in the coffin for the whole DH thing. Though Ozzie would have to do a lot of back spinning now if Thome is signed. If Ozzie wants the flexibility of an NL line up, let him go coach there and grind out a season in the senior circuit. The DH is one of the reasons the AL is far superior to the NL. If a guy needs a day off, then sit him. Just don’t do it every Sunday for every key position player at the same time you idget. I won’t miss Vizquel’s/Jones’s/Kotsay’s bat when they are on the bench most days as much as I’ll miss a true DH’s ability in the Cell to turn a game around with a homer or two.
The Cubs are not a baseball team. They are a baseball-themed marketing company that hosts frat parties for post grads and tourists.
he does love him some inter-league double switches.
"I think that's a lot of horse muffins." - Bob Feller
bring up mitchell!
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Jan 21, 2010 3:32 PM CST reply actions
Don't rush him! Can't you read?
And where would he play?
Hee.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
by Chiburb on Jan 21, 2010 4:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
hee hee hee hee
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Jan 21, 2010 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
somewhat unrelated but..
Is there any word on the Outfield Guillen will play? Is it going to be Right: Quentin, Center: Rios, Left: Pierre…or Right: Rios, Center: Pierre, Left: Quentin.
My hope is for the former.
Rios - CF, Q - RF, LF - whomever isn't DH'ing.
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 21, 2010 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
Joking aside, there have been multiple mentions of Q returning to RF and additional speculation that there is no way in fuck that Rios does not start in CF.
LF will probably belong to Pierre most days.
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 21, 2010 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
i'm fine with most (in italics)
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Jan 21, 2010 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
Hey, if Jones is in the svelte shape he's apparently in, we may just be able to DH Pierre as lead-off!
;)
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 21, 2010 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
My hope…
…is that we never, ever see Pierre’s 12-year-old-girl arm in right field. Or center, frankly.
My RF depth chart would be Q, Kotsay, Jones, Rios. CF: Rios, Jones, Black Pods. LF: Black Pods, Jones
"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"
Podsnoir
:D
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 21, 2010 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
And keeping with his uhh, heritage.
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 21, 2010 4:34 PM CST up reply actions
Isn't he African American? I mean, despite the exotic name?
"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"
I submit that we start calling him John Peters.
Pierre is French for Peter right?
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
haha, oui. Though I'm quite fond of Podsnoir, and may have to come back to that during the season, if he deserves it.
I am not your lady! I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 21, 2010 4:56 PM CST up reply actions
This.
Waiting for June, 2011. I’d have this as my sig if I was HSA.
Wrigley Field is a postage stamp shithole. It reeks of piss worse than R. Kelly’s underage girlfriend. It’s falling apart faster than Amy Winehouse. Their fans are denial-addled jagoffs of lowest stripe.
huhwhat?
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 21, 2010 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
But I don't understand
why me!
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 21, 2010 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
But he's just my uncle. I don't listen to that guy. Do you know how many van rides I've refused?
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 21, 2010 4:36 PM CST up reply actions
yeah. and look at what happened to your sister because of that.
do what you’re told and maybe nobody gets molested. maybe.
by larry on Jan 21, 2010 4:37 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd, if only because it's so obvious that this is not the first time Larry has used that line.
"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"
Fine. Did I do it right?
In terms of pure tools, Jared Mitchell was one of the premier talents available in the 2009 draft. The 23rd overall pick, he earned a $1,200,000 bonus. He could have gone even higher if he had concentrated on baseball in college: he also played football, and didn't turn his attention towards baseball full-time until last spring. As a result, he was rather raw as college players go. Even so, he made dramatic improvements last spring, as his LSU numbers above show: note the improved power production along with a much higher walk rate last year compared to 2008. Mitchell is an amazing athlete with excellent speed and plenty of physical strength. He doesn't show much home run power yet, but many scouts think he'll develop at least 10-15 home run power to go with 40-50 steal potential. Unlike most raw tools players, Mitchell works counts and draws plenty of walks, boosting his on-base percentage. His swing is very smooth at times, but he goes through phases where he can't make contact, giving him a high strikeout rate that could be an issue as he moves up. He is still learning how to steal bases, and scouts have sometimes criticized his outfield routes, although I think the latter issue is overblown and reviews on his glovework in the Sally League were positive. He's intelligent and coaches praise his makeup and work ethic. I really like Mitchell a lot, and while he has work to do refining his game, his upside is very high and I think he's already made a great deal of progress refining it. My main worry is that the White Sox will rush him before he's ready. Grade B.
by homesickalien on Jan 21, 2010 4:40 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
oh.
In terms of pure tools, Jared Mitchell was one of the premier talents available in the 2009 draft. The 23rd overall pick, he earned a $1,200,000 bonus. He could have gone even higher if he had concentrated on baseball in college: he also played football, and didn't turn his attention towards baseball full-time until last spring. As a result, he was rather raw as college players go. Even so, he made dramatic improvements last spring, as his LSU numbers above show: note the improved power production along with a much higher walk rate last year compared to 2008. Mitchell is an amazing athlete with excellent speed and plenty of physical strength. He doesn't show much home run power yet, but many scouts think he'll develop at least 10-15 home run power to go with 40-50 steal potential. Unlike most raw tools players, Mitchell works counts and draws plenty of walks, boosting his on-base percentage. His swing is very smooth at times, but he goes through phases where he can't make contact, giving him a high strikeout rate that could be an issue as he moves up. He is still learning how to steal bases, and scouts have sometimes criticized his outfield routes, although I think the latter issue is overblown and reviews on his glovework in the Sally League were positive. He's intelligent and coaches praise his makeup and work ethic. I really like Mitchell a lot, and while he has work to do refining his game, his upside is very high and I think he's already made a great deal of progress refining it. My main worry is that the White Sox will rush him before he's ready. Grade B.
by homesickalien on Jan 21, 2010 4:45 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Whoosh.
If I were HSA I’d quote myself in my own sig.
Effin’ editors. Always looking to make things complex.
Wrigley Field is a postage stamp shithole. It reeks of piss worse than R. Kelly’s underage girlfriend. It’s falling apart faster than Amy Winehouse. Their fans are denial-addled jagoffs of lowest stripe.
Can someone who knows the game better than myself explain to me why the hell he would EVER use Vizquel as a DH?
"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"
A
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 21, 2010 4:34 PM CST up reply actions
John Damon gives a little bit of something everybody wants.....
For us…a legitimate left-handed bat: for Oz, flexibility and speed: for the girls….someone to replace Podsednik. Done.
Playboy model v.stripper.
Everyone wins.
Wrigley Field is a postage stamp shithole. It reeks of piss worse than R. Kelly’s underage girlfriend. It’s falling apart faster than Amy Winehouse. Their fans are denial-addled jagoffs of lowest stripe.
lol
“betemit was making errors while dhing”
“gone are the days of one guy doing 40-50-60 homers” not so funny
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
Ozzie is not an awful manager by any means
But I have a feeling I’m going to really hate seeing his dream of a sac-bunting, caught-stealing, slap-hitting no-power offense come to fruition…to match the IBB-heavy pitching strategy that he has in place already. On the bright side, whenever he and the Sox part ways, I’ll be able to look back on the day he played Viquel at DH and not feel so bad.
Maybe Rios and Q will find some baseball magic and give me something to watch besides good pitching this summer
by hitlesswonder on Jan 21, 2010 8:01 PM CST up reply actions
All you watched in 05 was good pitching
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
by Tdogg on Jan 21, 2010 8:06 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
And 200 HRs.
"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"
And?
I don’t care about HRs, I care about runs. The 05 team scored 15 more runs then the 09 offense..
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
But is the 2010 offense going to be better than the 09 offense?
I have to doubt that at this point.
by hitlesswonder on Jan 21, 2010 8:15 PM CST up reply actions
really?
if Q remains healthy, and we get a DH and/or ajones comes through, i think we’re similar to last year
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Jan 21, 2010 8:17 PM CST up reply actions
It certainly possible that 2010 will be better.
I just think that Q staying healthy and getting decent production out of the DH are unlikely.
Really, if Rios and Q have all-star quality years I would expect this team to compete hard for a division title. So, it can happen.
I just don’t get punting on the DH position when offense is a need.
by hitlesswonder on Jan 21, 2010 8:23 PM CST up reply actions
and the 2006 team scored hella more runs than the 2005 team
but the 2006 team had shitty pitching in comparison
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Jan 21, 2010 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
You may not, but I do.
There is virtually no chance the 10 team pitches like the 05 team, for two reasons: Politte and Cotts.
"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"
Agreed
In 2005, Hermanson, Cotts and Politte gave Pedro Martinez-in-his-prime level of production. It was a bit of a fluke. To expect the same from any team is silly
How much is that offset
By the (presumably) stronger starting rotation… In terms of both quality innings and total innings?
Or would you take the 05 rotation over the 10 version?
White Sox fan; Jeppson's Malort man
by KarkoviceIsHawt on Jan 22, 2010 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
Wow
I had forgotten how many innings that staff ate up. Memory’s a bitch.
White Sox fan; Jeppson's Malort man
by KarkoviceIsHawt on Jan 22, 2010 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
one would probably put better odds on the current white sox staff performing 'otherworldy'
thing is, the 2005 staff actually did it. while not out of the question, it’s unlikely you’d see that performance matched or exceeded.
Aren't you overstating this a bit Lar?
I understand they were great and had an “otherwordly” playoff performance, but the combined pitching staff had a 24.2 WAR. I’d hardly say that is unlikely to be match or exceeded this year.
I smell pot pie.
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
Hmmm maybe
I’ve seen the counter argument recently against that on fangraphs. Even with some sort of bump, staff wise we still are not talking about some out of this world staff production in 05.
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
The staff's BP total pitching VORP was 315 in 05
tops in the majors. That definitely is more of an argument in your corner, indicating strong bullpen bump. Perhaps it wil take a stronger effort than I initailly thought. I still like the chances of coming close to matching it though.
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
Whenever Cameron uses the word "just"
My BS detector goes off.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Jan 22, 2010 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
yeah I got some of that from the responses folks posted.
Its a good argument and sticking it to Cameron (which wasn’t his goal) is an added benefit.
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
Prior to Opening Day '05, I made a $20 bet with my friend, that Garland was going to get 20 wins in '05.
I don’t know why, but I got a feeling he was going to kick ass that year.
He didn’t hit 20, but we dismissed the bet anyway because he may as well have…
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 22, 2010 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
One of the major factors of such production is having 4 pitchers
throw 850 innings. That makes it easy on almost any bullpen with decent arms. The Sox have decent arms in the bullpen. As long as there is not a major injury, this 2010 staff will battle and I believe beat that 05 staff.
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
nice and simple, rec'd
wrapped and sealed with masking tape moistened with sweat experience existence of ignorance
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jan 21, 2010 8:14 PM CST up reply actions
dh's! errors! hilarious. such a joker, this guy.
Here’s another one: Lets load the bench with guys that don’t make many errors, and lets call this the “Rotating DH Plan”. It’ll be a team full of DH’s that don’t make errors. Not like that Betemit asshole. Wouldn’t that be FUCKING HILARIOUS!?
The joke of 2011 SoxFest: Andruw Jones was grounding into double plays while being my late inning defensive replacement.
His neck is as wide as his head.
That also is a horseshit jacket. Hugo Chavez dresses better.
Wrigley Field is a postage stamp shithole. It reeks of piss worse than R. Kelly’s underage girlfriend. It’s falling apart faster than Amy Winehouse. Their fans are denial-addled jagoffs of lowest stripe.
needz moar red
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Jan 21, 2010 7:44 PM CST up reply actions
i wish kaplan would have stfu about wrigley...
the whole segment was on how Ozzie hates wrigley and kaplan giggles.
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 21, 2010 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
when did ozzie get into an argument with phil rogers over drunk n driving?
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 21, 2010 8:09 PM CST up reply actions
pirates pick up octavio
pirates sign dotel to a 1-year deal
The deal is pending a physical, and financial terms aren’t yet known. Pittsburgh Post-Gazette writer Dejan Kovacevic reports that Dotel is expected to earn about $3 million in 2010, however.
Would Dotel have been expected to make more under arbitration had we offered?
wrapped and sealed with masking tape moistened with sweat experience existence of ignorance
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jan 21, 2010 7:25 PM CST reply actions
aaight
wrapped and sealed with masking tape moistened with sweat experience existence of ignorance
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jan 21, 2010 8:13 PM CST up reply actions
You guys gnashing your teeth over a DH forget our secret weapon: Alcohol.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/Detroit-Tigers-Miguel-Cabrera-alcohol-rehab-012110
The White Sox: We will drink you into rehab.
Wrigley Field is a postage stamp shithole. It reeks of piss worse than R. Kelly’s underage girlfriend. It’s falling apart faster than Amy Winehouse. Their fans are denial-addled jagoffs of lowest stripe.
i think a lot of fans will be drunk because of ozzie just like cabrera.
when the offense puts out another 3-1 loss.
Kenwo4life=ratings
You are worrying to much about the offense
I’d be more concerned with our potential bad news bears defense.
If Q! remains healthy and Rios provides anything of substance, the offense will be fine.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 22, 2010 7:28 AM CST up reply actions
if Q remains healthy?
if konerko doesn’t stink up the joint like he does every other year. If Rios can come back to form. If Beckham doesn’t sophomore slump. If Teahen can play better than he has his entire career. If Pierre has a year like last year instead of like the 3 years previous to that. If Jones is in shape….. thats a lot of if’s.
If the queen had nuts she’d be the king.
Kenwo4life=ratings
can we give the "konerko stinks up the joint every other year" thing a rest?
we know that you personally don’t like the guy, but since joining the sox he has had one bad year, and one league average year. it just isn’t true.
"A brief but trenchant analysis of Scott Podsednik
He’s dogshit."
by NYRoyal on Jan 8, 2010 8:56 AM PST
Not to mention he was playing through an injury in 2008.
He may be streaky, but by the end of the year his stats are always pretty acceptable. Kenwo being the negative guy he is though, is bound to only remember the bad months. I’m sure he’ll hate Rios too for the same reason. Even if Rios has a good year, his bad month will lead Kenwo to believe he is a god awful baseball player.
by Grinder in Training on Jan 22, 2010 8:23 AM CST up reply actions
I'd love to be wrong
But I don’t hold out any hope for Rios. He was just lost at the plate. There’s a reason the baseball world did a doubletake when Kenny picked up that contract. Rios just sucks. Picking him up was as clever as DH by committee.
The Cubs are not a baseball team. They are a baseball-themed marketing company that hosts frat parties for post grads and tourists.
Yeah. He already told us how much he hates the acquisition.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
And I will refuse to be logical about this
Until his play proves me wrong.
The Cubs are not a baseball team. They are a baseball-themed marketing company that hosts frat parties for post grads and tourists.
i'm optimistic about konerko
he should be back on the PEDs for his contract year.
2 out of the last 7 have stunk
so i exaggerated a tad with the every other year thing. its still 28.5 percent of the time since 2003. It is not out of the question that he has a bad year.
Kenwo4life=ratings
you could say that for almost any firstbaseman barring pujols though
"A brief but trenchant analysis of Scott Podsednik
He’s dogshit."
by NYRoyal on Jan 8, 2010 8:56 AM PST
ummm no you can't.
Fielder, miguel cabrera, Morneau, adrian gonzalez, teixeira, youkilis, berkman, derrick lee has had one bad one, Carlos Pena since he’s gotten to tampa has been outstanding, carlos delgado besides last year because of an injury has been great.
Kenwo4life=ratings
fielder may eat his way to shitty performance. cabrera may drink his way to shitty performance. morneau has back trouble. berkman is getting old and injured. lee is getting old and injured. pena may not recover quickly from his broken hand. delgado was bad in 2007, is old and now has a bad hip.
if i want to create ‘ifs’, it ain’t that hard.
id take any one of them minus Delgado over Konerko for this year and the years after.
Kenwo4life=ratings
instead of using 'ifs'
perhaps you should just stick to ‘most of these players just aren’t all that good’.
It's not out of the question that you will say something stupid 57.5% of the time.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 22, 2010 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
Its actually not a lot ifs
especially compared to most MLB teams. Dude you’re out of control and at this point it just comes off as baseless ranting.
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
6 of your 9 starters aren't a lot of if's?
wow. I wish i worked for you.. it would be like working for reinsdorf… i’d never get fired.
Kenwo4life=ratings
If what though
Just because you poise a question doesn’t mean its legit. Konerko case in point. What kind of if is that for Beckham. Get real. ALL those things don’t have to happen for them to be (insert here). Your problem seems to be you are treating it that way. The pitching ifs were curiously absent , which almost every team has. Like I said you are beginning to be beyond silly now. This has nothing to do with getting fired.
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
white sox win the Central!
go to play new york in the ALDS
Sabathia vs. Peavy- Yankees win 2-1 behind a solid effort from Sabathia. Teixeira hits a 2 run homer and the white sox strand 10 baserunners.
Buehrle vs. Burnett- Burnett strikes out 13 white sox and Mark Buehrle struggles as the Yankees go up 2-0 with an 8-2 route.
Danks vs. Vazquez- Javy Vazquez bites the hand that once fed him with 10 K’s over 8 innings and Mariano Rivera closes the door on the 2010 white sox as the yankees win 4-2.
Kenwo4life=ratings
fast forward to winter 2011....
The white sox are in the market for a designated hitter after last years plan of the rotating DH didn’t work.
Kenwo4life=ratings
Javy Vazquez bites the hand that once fed him with 10 K’s over 8 innings and Mariano Rivera
lol. Yeah right.
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
Pitcher for pitcher, maybe I like the Sox 2 of 3.
Pitcher versus opposing lineup, the Sox get swept. Rather cleanly, too.
"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"
Exactly what could the Sox add that would make them favorites over the Yankees or Red Sox?
by The Actual El Guapo on Jan 22, 2010 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
thome of course.
haven’t you paid attention? he is the one player we need to get us to the world series. it’s just amazing we didn’t go there all 4 years he was here.
hire LaRussa
"A brief but trenchant analysis of Scott Podsednik
He’s dogshit."
by NYRoyal on Jan 8, 2010 8:56 AM PST
Jerry Owens
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 22, 2010 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Machowiak in Center
Should work as well as Ozzie’s rotating DH plan
The Cubs are not a baseball team. They are a baseball-themed marketing company that hosts frat parties for post grads and tourists.
KenWo
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 22, 2010 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
You are a teacher.
You already can’t be fired.
Wrigley Field is a postage stamp shithole. It reeks of piss worse than R. Kelly’s underage girlfriend. It’s falling apart faster than Amy Winehouse. Their fans are denial-addled jagoffs of lowest stripe.
by winningugly on Jan 22, 2010 12:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
just by looking at the names of their OF's
that is gonna be one pathetic OF, Ankiel,Pods,BA,Meijer,Guillen,sucks!
Packers done...now 3 months of sports hell.
What happened to Ankiel last year?
He was only 29.. did he fall apart again like he did pitching or was he hurt, bad luck or just bad? Was his good year and a half a fluke?
by Grinder in Training on Jan 22, 2010 9:03 AM CST up reply actions
Was his good year and a half a fluke?
PED’s.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
Are you kidding... BA is gonna be the non-pitching star of that team.
heh
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 22, 2010 9:59 AM CST up reply actions
They want a DH who can pitch
White Sox fan; Jeppson's Malort man
by KarkoviceIsHawt on Jan 22, 2010 10:21 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Resurrect the Bambino!
"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"
Whew!
Brent Lillibridge won’t be attending this weekend’s SoxFest, but White Sox hitting coach Greg Walker is pleased that the struggling utility player is working on his revamped swing.
Lillibridge will fly from his off-season home in the Seattle area next week to join Carlos Quentin and Walker in Southern California
Lillibridge needs to cut down his high strikeout ratio to have any chance of making the Sox’s opening-day roster. He does have the versatility to play several infield and outfield positions, but his lack of contact prompted the Sox last season to use Jayson Nix as the primary backup shortstop.
‘’I was impressed that he (Lillibridge) looked in the mirror and said, ’I’m doing something wrong,’ ‘’ Walker said. ’’Changes had to be made.’’
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
Link
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/01/lillibridge-getting-back-in-swing-of-things.html
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
this is hilarious
Matthews also gets $500,000 for being traded.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/baseball/mlb/01/22/mets.matthews/index.html
All I can say is..
Thank god for Kenwo and Mets fans, that he isn’t a Mets fan.
by Grinder in Training on Jan 22, 2010 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
or a royals one
the contest continues
"A brief but trenchant analysis of Scott Podsednik
He’s dogshit."
by NYRoyal on Jan 8, 2010 8:56 AM PST
everybody loves sauer
Stephen Sauer, 23, Chicago White Sox
Level BB.9 K/9 HR/9 GB% BABIP
Low-A 1.2 7.8 0.3 56.3 .363
This guy managed a 3.36 ERA in Kannapolis because he was so good at limiting home runs and walks, but look at his BABIP! His hit rate seems to have scared off prospect evaluators, as he’s not listed as one of Baseball America’s top 30 White Sox prospects. But his sinker has always been good (2.64 GO/AO at ASU) and his slider is average enough. With a good change up, Sauer can be just as good as Jon Garland ever was.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/staring-down-the-sinkerballers-final-part
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i guess the computer didn't see this one coming
top oakland prospect grant desme retiring to become a priest.
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2010/1/22/1265096/grant-desme-retiring-to-become-a
This is delightful.
Wrigley Field is a postage stamp shithole. It reeks of piss worse than R. Kelly’s underage girlfriend. It’s falling apart faster than Amy Winehouse. Their fans are denial-addled jagoffs of lowest stripe.
by winningugly on Jan 22, 2010 1:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ouch..
Can’t imagine what this place would have looked like if Beckham or Tyler Flowers went that route.
by Grinder in Training on Jan 22, 2010 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
The Savior would never demote himself to clergy.
"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"
by RWShow on Jan 22, 2010 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Damn skippy. hehe!
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 22, 2010 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
slayer?
not a chance.
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Jan 22, 2010 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
The more I think about this.. the more it bothers me
At first, I thought.. sure he will be happier, do what you gotta do to make you happy.
But, here’s the thing, you could do so much more good for people if you are a successful professional baseball player. You would have millions of dollars you could put towards whatever religion it is, and help so many more people.
If you really want to do good and be a servant of your lord, don’t you think using your god given abilities to help the most people possible is the best way to do that? Look at Tim Tebow or some other obnoxiously religious athlete. You can play sports and help people in the name of religion.
You would think a guy who is going to be a priest would put other people ahead of himself. If so, he’d go the route where he can help the most people: Baseball Player.
by Grinder in Training on Jan 22, 2010 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
I'm no expert on this...
but it woud seem to be that this is more of a “calling” than just a decision to Mr. Desme. You certainly make a good point, Grinder, but I’m betting that it’s something that the young man considered.
He better hope Saint Peter is an Angels fan.
"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"
I get that he wants to be a priest.
But if you want to be a priest.. wouldn’t you rather be a priest at 30, after you are famous, with millions and in a position to help a lot more people?
by Grinder in Training on Jan 22, 2010 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
no.
if you want to be a priest, you probably want to be a priest now. and it’s rather speculative that desme would be famous and have millions of dollars. particularly if he’s not doing something he wants to be doing. he’s not that good of a prospect.
wha'? Being a priest is more than the business of collecting and distributing cash.
If that’s all it was, he could join the Fugees and help Yele hand out cash to Haiti.
Yep.. you're right
Having millions of dollars and being famous enough to draw in donations wouldn’t put you in a position to help more people than an average priest.
by Grinder in Training on Jan 22, 2010 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
Not time wise
To be in a position to acquire such wealth. He’s not Jesus. He can’t just throw his glove or bat on the field and make miracles happen.
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
"Honest, Saint Peter, I was planning on being a priest, I was just trying to pimp a few mo bitches, build up my wad...
then I was going to give it all to the church. Honest."
that really isn't the point of priesthood
nor is it the mindset of most people looking to become priests
What about temptation? Doesn't that enter a guy's mind? Doesn't being a baseball player put you in direct and frequent contact with things God would not okay?
Maybe he’s removing himself from a situation where he fears he would lose sight of his faith?
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 22, 2010 1:06 PM CST up reply actions
Then he's a pussy..
I’d hope a priest could show a little self restraint. Average Joes have plenty of contact with things God doesn’t think is OK too. If it’s because he wants to be a priest… Fine, I think he’s stupid for doing it now, but at least I can respect that decision.
If it’s just because he’s afraid, that’s just weak.
by Grinder in Training on Jan 22, 2010 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
Orrrrr....
maybe he finds himself at 30, an aging baseball player who never made all that much money, being tossed around the country from club to club, wondering how he’s going to feed his family once he’s wholly unwanted in his profession in a matter of years?
yeah, can’t imagine why he’d rather just pursue his life’s “calling” now…
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 22, 2010 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
He'd have known before 30 it wasn't going to happen.
He’s still has the potential be good. If he doesn’t improve he could quickly leave. Right now has that opportunity.
And 30 isn’t that old for a priest.. If he started getting tossed around from club to club he could quickly leave. That obviously isn’t the case right now. He’s a top 10 prospect at this point still.
by Grinder in Training on Jan 22, 2010 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
you have no clue.
if the man truly wants to be a priest, he is not looking at it as a business opportunity to save souls. he has decided that is his calling and he wants to give all of his time and attention to that.
yes
if he’s totally devoted to priesthood, good for him. wouldn’t you rather spend your time working in a field that you are totally passionate about?
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
I have a clue.. I just disagree with his decision.
I’m allowed to do that. It’s an opinion.
by Grinder in Training on Jan 22, 2010 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
I think going into the priesthood
(if you’re into that sort of thing that is) sure beats most of the alternatives for washed up ex-ballplayers who didn’t make it big.
I mean they set you up with a parish and a place to live. Pretty sweet really.
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game last year in 2008.
by NorthSidePaulie on Jan 23, 2010 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
This is the most convoluted thinking I've ever heard when it comes to becoming a man of God.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 22, 2010 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not saying to be famous and rich
For his own sake. But because he can help more people if he is. Obviously a guy who is a priest doesn’t want to be rich or famous for himself. But you can save more people if you are those things. It’s selfish to only worry about yourself, which is what he’s doing. It’s selfish to turn down the opportunity to get more money and fame and be in a position where you can help more people.
I’m not saying he should keep the money he makes, or live the life of an average famous person. I’m saying he should get money to give it away, and get fame so he can attract people to his causes. I don’t know what’s convoluted about that.
by Grinder in Training on Jan 22, 2010 2:08 PM CST up reply actions
Money and fame corrupt people. Furthermore, both of these things can quite easily ruin people's lives.
You cannot just blindly assume that for him to get rich and famous would benefit his “mission” or “purpose” or whatever.
He may be able to counsel and guide people so effectively without either of those, that he will help more people, in non-monetary ways, by pursuing this calling right now.
Obviously the guy feels strongly about his purpose if he is able to turn down the opportunity for money and fame in America, when our culture so ridiculously values both. And to go into something that is so notoriously un-fun! That takes gall. I wouldn’t dangle the word “selfish” anywhere near this guy.
He’s not Tom Cruise (look at all the great things he’s paid for, I mean, done for his cult). Maybe he doesn’t want his religion and faith to appear a publicity stunt down the road.
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 22, 2010 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not saying he should do it for the money or fame for himself..
It’s not like I’m like how do you turn down a nice house!!.. no.
I get that, but the point is that money can be used for good.
If you have money, you can do more. Sure it could turn out a spectacular failure. But that’s life. Him being a poor priest could also just as well not work out. Poverty leads to people to do plenty of awful things just as well as being wealthy does.
Your life can be ruined just as easily if you don’t have money. But if you do have it, you can help more people. I don’t know how you can argue otherwise. Yes.. it could be detrimental. I just feel the positives of making it to the big leagues out weigh the negatives. That’s my opinion.
Using Tom Cruise as your example, is like me using some poor priest who raped a kid as my example of why he should play baseball. That’s bullshit. Look at Danny Weurffel, look at Tim Tebow, plenty more guys that aren’t like Tom Cruise then examples of guys that are.
by Grinder in Training on Jan 22, 2010 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
Man is this discussion far afield...
That being said, there’s quite a difference between believing you can save someone’s soul or improve them spiritually, versus some kind of brick-and-mortar/food pantry-type assistance. And there’s also a difference between the direct human contact of personally preaching, hearing confession, evangelizing etc. and just investing your money in some kind of foundation to spread the word through other people.
And dont’ forget, unless you’re Michael Jackson, it’s also harder to molest little boys when you’re a high-profile millionaire.
He was definitely thrilled...
Did you watch any of that interview? He made Prince look normal. That guy was seriously screwed up.
Nah, I knew you weren't being serious.
Just noting how astronomically fucked up he was. Christopher Guest would be hard pressed to come up with something that unbelievable.
Also in reference to one of Dave Chappelle best skits
Black juror on jury selection for R Kelly, Michael Jackson and Robert Blake.
R Kelly – nope
M Jackson- nope
R Balke – “Hell yeah he did it!”
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
by Tdogg on Jan 22, 2010 3:55 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, and think of all the people who will look at this guy, as a priest, and be THAT much more convinced and inspired by his words, knowing what he willingly refused to be there.
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 22, 2010 3:25 PM CST up reply actions
I used him as an example of a guy who got fame and fortune first; and then turned into a laughingstock of a spokesperson for his religion, no matter how much money he gave or attention he drew to it.
Money CAN help people, yes. duh. I won’t argue that money doesn’t help people.
But so can devoted time.
And he chose to devote his time and life, over being able to sign a check over to a charity someday with a big shiny famous grin.
There are plenty of rich celebrities doing this already.
To me, your argument is like saying rich parents are plainly better than poor ones because they can provide them the best organic foods and send their kids globe-trotting and whatnot.
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 22, 2010 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
Well now you are making me rethink this
I’m also starting to hate my parents for not sending me globe trotting. No beef about inorganics though.
The Cubs are not a baseball team. They are a baseball-themed marketing company that hosts frat parties for post grads and tourists.
I don't see how that follows
“To me, your argument is like saying rich parents are plainly better than poor ones because they can provide them the best organic foods and send their kids globe-trotting and whatnot.”
2010 White Sox: Benching our way to the playoffs.
Because he's absolutely weighing the value of his (potential) money, over the value of his time.
I don’t think he or I can assess which is more valuable; certainly not to a degree where he can be called selfish for his decision to devote his time instead.
So to me it’s like someone saying that rich parents are better because they can provide, monetarily.
While it’s nice, it’s simply not true in every circumstance. Money does not ultimately trump all else.
And like wu said, give what and how you can. Desme is giving what he can as opposed to what he might be able to down the road.
you guys, oh my god you guys
by homesickalien on Jan 25, 2010 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
Time, treasure, or talent.
Give what/how you can. Don’t judge whether or not one is better.
Wrigley Field is a postage stamp shithole. It reeks of piss worse than R. Kelly’s underage girlfriend. It’s falling apart faster than Amy Winehouse. Their fans are denial-addled jagoffs of lowest stripe.
Even if he played a whole career
He’d still be plenty young enough to be a priest for a long time. It seems like the idea of being a priest is to be in a position where you can help people and promote your beliefs. You would be able to accomplish those goals and play baseball.
by Grinder in Training on Jan 22, 2010 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
Only if he played in LATIN America. Gotta learn the language somewhere...
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
dios mio, man!
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 22, 2010 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
presumably he was aware of that
and still walked away.
2010 White Sox: Benching our way to the playoffs.
You dedicate yourself to a life of poverty
I don’t think making millions of dollars is on his mind when he decided baseball was no longer his main interest.
by Off the bus running on Jan 22, 2010 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
You don't have to keep the money.....
by Grinder in Training on Jan 22, 2010 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
You can get the money / you can get the power / keep your eye on the Final Hour.
-Lauryn, of the Fugees
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 22, 2010 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
No, I guess you don't...
But it’s a hell of a lot easier to help people if you do. Selfish not to take advantage of the opportunity given to him. Yes.. I know people disagree, but I think it’s straight up selfish to not try to play baseball at the highest level if you have the ability to do so.
by Grinder in Training on Jan 22, 2010 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
It could be straight-up selfish to demand that people do things they don't want to do.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
And.. I'm not a priest.
I can be as selfish as I want. If I was a priest.. I’d go do whatever it is that could help the most people.
by Grinder in Training on Jan 22, 2010 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
And if he never makes the majors...
…he’ll have gained no money and lost time.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
Besides, how do we know he didn't give the $432K signing bonus to the church already?
Or will he have to give it back?
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
A couple years vs. the potential gain?
Worth the risk in my opinion.
by Grinder in Training on Jan 22, 2010 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
Despite not being a fan religion, I think his choice here makes him look ever the more selfless.
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 22, 2010 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
which was exactly what he was going for
giving up the bat, the ball and the poon. just to look good. what a terrible person.
2010 White Sox: Benching our way to the playoffs.
He can still live in all the poverty he wants.
The idea is to make money to help others, not himself.
by Grinder in Training on Jan 22, 2010 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
Without going too far into his motives
He’s probably assuming he can do more good by getting actively involved rather than throwing money at something.
by Off the bus running on Jan 22, 2010 1:13 PM CST up reply actions
Welp, I disagree.
People in Haiti doesn’t want a hug and a savior right now. They want food and shelter. That shit costs money.
by Grinder in Training on Jan 22, 2010 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
A person over there distributing or organizing the effort is just as valuable as the givers.
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
Not if that giver is wealthy
And supporting multiple people organizing the effort.
by Grinder in Training on Jan 22, 2010 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
He can be a baseball playing priest.
The uniform would rule.
by The Actual El Guapo on Jan 22, 2010 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
To rec or not to rec?
That’s hilarious. But I disagree… Those unis are fantastic.
White Sox fan; Jeppson's Malort man
by KarkoviceIsHawt on Jan 22, 2010 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i'm just gonna rec both
to make sure all sides are heard
2010 White Sox: Benching our way to the playoffs.
I have a long-standing opinion that many and most football players are exactly that.
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 22, 2010 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
Get turned down by one??? :-D
"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"
umm no, sir.
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 22, 2010 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
Most people are.
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 22, 2010 7:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
i admire the hell out of this guy
i couldn’t walk away in that situation.
"A brief but trenchant analysis of Scott Podsednik
He’s dogshit."
by NYRoyal on Jan 8, 2010 8:56 AM PST
i think hes a buffoon.
to each their own i suppose.
"I think that's a lot of horse muffins." - Bob Feller
Amen
You go into priesthood to try and save souls, THEN do as much good as possible. All the money in the world wouldn’t make any conversions.
The Cubs are not a baseball team. They are a baseball-themed marketing company that hosts frat parties for post grads and tourists.
I guess that's where we don't see eye to eye.
And my biggest problem with religion. Saving souls is great and all, but I’d rather make someones life better while they are still here, instead of hoping that it works out for them when they are dead.
Not to mention, I still think you can save a lot more souls if you are someone that people look up to, like a pro athlete. Is it stupid? Yes.. but people love athletes. Sure, he could easily fail, but there’s a decent chance he could be successful. And if he is, he could reach a lot more people then he ever would as an average priest. With money and fame you can save a lot more souls. Doesn’t seem right, but that’s how it is.
by Grinder in Training on Jan 22, 2010 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with you
Just look at what Tim Tebow has been able to do before getting any money. Love him or hate him, he’s gotten people to talk about Christianity in forums where it’s not a natural conversation. My point was the reason for becoming a priest is salvation first, good works second. So, from the kid’s point of view, more moeny wouldn’t affect his primary mission but more lost time would.
The point of view makes since when you consider the priest focusing on salvation is looking at eternity or “saving the forest,” wheras the priest looking at good works is looking to improve the temporary life or “pruning the tree.”
In that sense, I see why he did it, admire him for it and agree with T-dogg, I probably couldn’t have.
The Cubs are not a baseball team. They are a baseball-themed marketing company that hosts frat parties for post grads and tourists.
Yeah if you're an Evangelical Christian that makes sense
but I’m guessing he’s Catholic, based on the use of the word ‘priest’. Totally different world… Ask Pat Robertson about it.
White Sox fan; Jeppson's Malort man
by KarkoviceIsHawt on Jan 22, 2010 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
You're still trying to save souls
Catholics just sprinkle in a lot more ritual and robes.
The Cubs are not a baseball team. They are a baseball-themed marketing company that hosts frat parties for post grads and tourists.
Don Paul was the freakin' Pope.
by The Actual El Guapo on Jan 22, 2010 5:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I suppose in hindsight..
I probably should have kept my opinion to myself. People already think I promote drunk driving, adding selfish hater of religion probably wasn’t the best move. I understand what everyone is saying, just my opinion in the end, it’s selfish to turn down an opportunity to help as many people as a professional baseball player can.
I don’t believe we will ever see eye to eye on this one, just as I will never agree with those who think the WR should have been in jail longer for his crime. Even though I go to church (probably only once a month to be completely honest), and have never driven drunk, I still can’t justify in my mind the other side of either of these arguments.
by Grinder in Training on Jan 22, 2010 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
It nothing that you would have to be quiet about
People CAN have adult conversations. Just agree to disagree. Who knows maybe some man of the cloth did try and make some of those points to the young lad.
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
No need to keep it to yourself... just know you'll never live this one down either. ;) I'll give you one thing: you stick to your point, as wrong (;p) as it is...
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 22, 2010 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not religious either, so it's not really about being a "selfish hater of religion"
it’s more about thinking you know better about (living) a person’s life than that person does. You and I may not agree with his rationale, but if becoming a priest is what he wants to do, who is anyone to argue with that?
Post what you want to post
If everybody in here agreed, I think we’d all stop reading.
The Cubs are not a baseball team. They are a baseball-themed marketing company that hosts frat parties for post grads and tourists.
f'real
WU is straight up racist and we tolerate him.
2010 White Sox: Benching our way to the playoffs.
LOL.
Yeah, I hate gingers.
Wrigley Field is a postage stamp shithole. It reeks of piss worse than R. Kelly’s underage girlfriend. It’s falling apart faster than Amy Winehouse. Their fans are denial-addled jagoffs of lowest stripe.
.
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Jan 22, 2010 10:04 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He is joining St. Michael’s Abbey in California
http://www.abbeynews.net/Abbey-Home.html
Ten year process to become a full member. He’s becoming a monk it sounds like, not "just" a priest.
Although I am not Catholic, monasticism and mysticism is a long-standing interest of mine. It sounds like Desme has some very interesting experiences ahead of him.
by John Sickels on Jan 22, 2010 6:33 PM CST
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2010/1/22/1265301/grant-desme-leaving-baseball-for#29331865
I swear I initially read Sickels
as saying “masochism and mysticism”. Which is almost the same, in some quarters.
I applaud the kid for following his calling. I’m sick of “muscular Christians” and that PR. I’d rather see more separation of church and sport.
Wrigley Field is a postage stamp shithole. It reeks of piss worse than R. Kelly’s underage girlfriend. It’s falling apart faster than Amy Winehouse. Their fans are denial-addled jagoffs of lowest stripe.
by winningugly on Jan 24, 2010 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
The Whipping Boy just reported on the Score that Thome could sign a deal today…
…with the Twins.
I’m going to vomit.
"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"
Hopefully to make up for dealing Mauer to the NL. Or Japan.
Other than that, who the fuck knows. It’s Brian the Whipping Boy. Take it for what it’s worth.
"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"
Because they are Teh Twinn.
They hate us.
Wrigley Field is a postage stamp shithole. It reeks of piss worse than R. Kelly’s underage girlfriend. It’s falling apart faster than Amy Winehouse. Their fans are denial-addled jagoffs of lowest stripe.
by winningugly on Jan 22, 2010 1:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Better ways to hate us then sign a totally needless position.
Talk about a waste.
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
You wouldn't take Thome over Kubel?
The Cubs are not a baseball team. They are a baseball-themed marketing company that hosts frat parties for post grads and tourists.
Oh, he's older
But he also hits about 10 to 15 more home runs per season.
The Cubs are not a baseball team. They are a baseball-themed marketing company that hosts frat parties for post grads and tourists.
Kubel hit 28 last year; Thome hit 23.
Even adjusting for fewer plate appearances, there’s no difference.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
Well sure
If you include 2009
The Cubs are not a baseball team. They are a baseball-themed marketing company that hosts frat parties for post grads and tourists.
Im confused you expect
Thome to get better and Kubel to get worse? That’s kind of the point right. Why would the Twins even need Thome.
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
No.
I was contritely pointing out I hadn’t taken into account last year and I had only looked at Home Runs. My position is indefensible at this point.
The Cubs are not a baseball team. They are a baseball-themed marketing company that hosts frat parties for post grads and tourists.
by justjc on Jan 22, 2010 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Sure that would go over well at Sox Fest..
Could make things a lot more interesting come Q & A
by Grinder in Training on Jan 22, 2010 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
this was reported in SOXnet so take it for what it's worth
wrapped and sealed with masking tape moistened with sweat experience existence of ignorance
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jan 22, 2010 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
Gosh damn
even if that doesn’t make a whole lot of sense for the Twins (Kubel in the field?), that’s still extremely depressing.
LF
I read Aaron Gleeman’s thoughts on this, and it makes a good amount of sense if the Twins are willing to bench Young and commit to Kubel in LF. And if it only costs them a million or two, this is a very good move for them.
Of all the stupid things the Sox have done under KW and Ozzie, this very well may rate as the worst. This is absolutely nonsensical*.
*I will rescind this if KW’s plan is actually to grab Russell Branyan, telling Ozzie that he can still play a little 1B.
I just read that
It does make sense. Flipside that signing might be the fence sitter move that drives Williams back into the game.
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
And if Thome is truly willing to accept a bench role at a reduced role.
Okay. KW please save Ozzie from himself.
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
Whitey (no I'm not being racist, for fuckssake), on steroids, managing, Nice Guy stuff:
For example, there’s this response to former slugger Mark McGwire’s recent admission of steroid use:
“I’ve got nothing to do with him,” Herzog said, clearly annoyed. "I don’t want to comment on steroids because they’re all lying. And they’re still lying. They get on steroids because they say they want to get back on the field. The reason they’re on steroids is because they got injured because they were taking steroids. Because their muscles grow too fast, and every time they make a false move, they slip and pull something. It’s always a pulled muscle, rib cage, a minor something. That’s bull.
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
i don't hear this effect of steroids often as a counterargument like whitey framed it
wrapped and sealed with masking tape moistened with sweat experience existence of ignorance
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jan 22, 2010 2:01 PM CST up reply actions
convicted dealer says McGwire took them to get bigger
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4849158
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
haha
“Will it help you hit a baseball?” Wenzlaff said. “Let me put it to you this way. If Paris Hilton was to take that array, she could run over Dick Butkus.”
you are certainly one of the more ridiculous people on this board. ~ larry
So this is why they got rid of Cliff Lee..
by Grinder in Training on Jan 22, 2010 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
Contreras' hypersensitivity/mental fragility vs. Phillies fans.
This is going to work out well.
Depends what is asked of him..
It’s not like he’ll have the weight of the world on him with Hamels and Halladay, or a 10 million a year deal anymore.
He’s just a role player now with a small contract, unless he completely implodes or has a monster season, I imagine he’ll fly under the radar for the most part.
by Grinder in Training on Jan 22, 2010 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
Orlando Hernandez of 2005 comes to mind.
"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"
Forgive me if it has already been noted.....
but heard on one of the half-hour updates on WSCR that Thome could sign with the Twinks as early as today.
Joe Christensen confirms Twins interest in Thomer
http://www.startribune.com/blogs/82410307.html?elr=KArksDyycyUUUU
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
God f%$#ing d@%$ it!
What happens if the Twins end up taking the division by one or two games? Ozzie is out of his f*cking mind! He claims that the DH position is changing in the American League. How?! Tell me how!
"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have fifty cents." - Kenny Williams
by Servant2LordBeckham on Jan 22, 2010 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
WE arent having one
every revolution has to start somewhere.
If the woman is offering an opinion, you are doing it wrong. - HSA
by BoeJouma on Jan 22, 2010 3:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Poetic Justice would dictate that...
Thome would launch a solo homer off Peavy in the 8th to win game 163 1-0
I will simply cry. Probably even more than I did seeing Crede in their uni for the first time.
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 22, 2010 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
Crede, OC and now Thomer
when will those assholes stop? when?
2010 White Sox: Benching our way to the playoffs.
the best jerry THE BEST
Praise Him!!
by Hawk is God on Jan 22, 2010 7:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
/sniff sniff
its starting to stink in here.
If the woman is offering an opinion, you are doing it wrong. - HSA
He wants to hit 600
The Cubs are not a baseball team. They are a baseball-themed marketing company that hosts frat parties for post grads and tourists.
by justjc on Jan 22, 2010 4:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
and if Kenny won't let him do it here
The Twins will take him up on it. Cut myself off earlier
The Cubs are not a baseball team. They are a baseball-themed marketing company that hosts frat parties for post grads and tourists.
by justjc on Jan 22, 2010 4:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
he's choosing poorly then.
the twins don’t hit home runs. in their home park, balls that leave the field on a fly are ground rule doubles.
anyone need a house? i hear thornton's is pretty nice.
Do you have confidence in Scott Linebrink bouncing back in 2010 to pitch like he did in the first half of 2008 or 2009? Who is the funniest guy out of all the White Sox relievers?
— Tom, Chicago
If I was a betting man, I would put my house on it. Scott is a great pitcher, a great competitor and a strong individual. The rough patch he had last year is going to be a learning experience that I think all pitchers go through at one time or another in a career. I am a true believer that whatever doesn’t break you makes you stronger. He is going to have a huge impact on our bullpen and team this year.
The funniest guy to me in the bullpen is actually not a pitcher. Bullpen catcher Mark Salas makes me laugh every day. He is the same person day in and day out and does a lot for our team that most people don’t recognize.
notice he didnt say a big POSITIVE impact
thorny is wise beyond his years
If the woman is offering an opinion, you are doing it wrong. - HSA
he IS wise
What do you think of the 2010 White Sox and the changes made by Kenny Williams? Wouldn’t Jim Thome look good in that lineup?
— Mary, Phoenix
The moves made so far have been great. A lot of people forget that we made some huge moves during last season.
With the addition of Jake Peavy, our rotation is not getting the credit it deserves. And the veterans we have added this year are going to be great for our team throughout the year.
Mary, Thome would look great in our lineup. I like the possibility of around 30 homers and 90 RBIs.
2010 White Sox - Benching our way to the playoffs.
I haven't seen this place so boppin' on a Friday since.......
maybe July 24th.
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
yeah, the day I officially began depreciating. :)
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 22, 2010 5:34 PM CST up reply actions
ohhhh myyyyy :)
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 22, 2010 6:03 PM CST up reply actions
July 24th should be a federal holiday.
July 23rd should be abolished from the calender.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 22, 2010 8:38 PM CST up reply actions
here's argument even ozzie can understand:
Baker RHP/Slowey RHP/Blackburn RHP/Pavano RHP
Verlander RHP/Porcello RHP/Scherzer RHP/Bonderman RHP/Galarraga RHP
Greinke RHP/Meche RHP/Hochevar RHP/Bannister RHP/Davies RHP
just give the Masher all ABs against those pitchers and we’re good to go.
it's certainly a good argument for a LH batting slugging DH
I’m just not sure Thome is that guy in a platoon where he sits against LHP.
He would be cheap for his stats (provided he would maintain them sitting out a significant number of games) though I think.
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game last year in 2008.
by NorthSidePaulie on Jan 23, 2010 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
i almost forgot.
i heard an interview with buddy bell on white sox weekly on the score a month or two ago and he said mitchell throws to the correct base. that’s a plus.
you are certainly one of the more ridiculous people on this board. ~ larry
As a pure tool myself,
I know them when I see them. This kid – he’s special. As long as he stays healthy we may have something special.
Wrigley Field is a postage stamp shithole. It reeks of piss worse than R. Kelly’s underage girlfriend. It’s falling apart faster than Amy Winehouse. Their fans are denial-addled jagoffs of lowest stripe.
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