Committee of Dunces
by The Cheat on Jan 22, 2010 8:14 PM CST
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PrintI keep waiting for the other Thome to drop in the White Sox DH Saga, so, among other reasons, I've kept quiet on the whole Sox-Need-A-DH discussion. I mean, what do you need to add aside from, "Duh, this ain't the NL." One look at the NL record vs. the AL in interleague should tell you what happens when you try to play baseball a batter short.
Well now, reading the twitter instead of hoping for Kanye to make the Haiti telethon a relevant pop-culture moment, I see that Kenny seems to think that the Sox DH-by-committee is similar to the approach the Angels have used in their recent domination of the AL West, which, you know, hasn't exactly had a second team since Mulder, Hudson, and Zito left the AL.
So let's take a look at the Angels DH's over the last three (arbitrary) years. Click years for full split breakdown
2009: Some guy named Vlad takes nearly 400 PAs at DH. Nobody else makes 75 appearances. Result: .296/.348./469
2008: Vlad and Garrett Anderson largely split duties, with others taking remaining 200 PA. Result: .271/.330/.437
2007: Vlad and Shea Hillenbrand split 360 PA, with others taking up remaining 300 PA Result: .257/.315/.391
Without question, the best result is from the year the Angels only said they had a DH by committee, giving Vlad the bulk of the work. In '08 things worked out alright, essentially getting league average DH output, but they weren't in any hurry to bring back the floundering Anderson. '07 is just an outright disaster.
Which category do you think a crew which features Omar Vizquel, Mark Kotsay, and the bloated corpse of Andruw Jones getting the lion's share of the reps will fall into?
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See, there's that negativityagain.
Can’t we at least wait to see who we go to ST with? They’ve had an opportunity to look at Thomer up close for a few years. They don’t want him. It sucks, but they don’t want him.
Now, if we break camp with the three-headed OPOS hydra, then I’ll join the protest. For now, missing out on Cust/Vladdy/(maybe) Thome isn’t the end of our division crown opportunity. It just seems that way.
Patience.
Wrigley Field is a postage stamp shithole. It reeks of piss worse than R. Kelly’s underage girlfriend. It’s falling apart faster than Amy Winehouse. Their fans are denial-addled jagoffs of lowest stripe.
You're gonna wanna take a break from the site if we head to ST without a DH
expect a real tome on the situation at that point
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I hear ye.
We got a couple of months. (Tome. Heh.)
OT: Woody Allen and Bill Clinton are talking courtside at the Knicks/Lakers game. I want in on that conversation.
Wrigley Field is a postage stamp shithole. It reeks of piss worse than R. Kelly’s underage girlfriend. It’s falling apart faster than Amy Winehouse. Their fans are denial-addled jagoffs of lowest stripe.
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by The Cheat on Jan 22, 2010 8:34 PM CST up reply actions 8 recs
That is classic.
I hear NBC has some room in their late-night line-up-by-committee.
Wrigley Field is a postage stamp shithole. It reeks of piss worse than R. Kelly’s underage girlfriend. It’s falling apart faster than Amy Winehouse. Their fans are denial-addled jagoffs of lowest stripe.
The book of Ozzie, the book of Kenny, the book of Hawk, the book of Farmio,
and the book of Revelations: When the Shit Hits the Fan.
and they looked up with their eyes to see a shining Comiskey Park
and whereupon they shit themselves upon seeing a Rotating DH
"anvil of sarcasm" - wu
by DrEmilioLizardo on Jan 22, 2010 9:54 PM CST up reply actions
I'll pour some out for the DH, on Edgar Martinez Dr tomorrow....
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 22, 2010 10:57 PM CST up reply actions
who dares to question the all-mighty, all-knowing scioscia?!?!??
he was a catcher, ya know. makes for better managers.
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
this "rotating dh" is a way of breaking it to Q that he won't be playing much in the outfield.
if Q is dh and our better defensive outfielders are platooned in rf as they should be, everyone will be happier. we will have a dh that can hit the shit outta the ball and a good defensive outfield. if our biggest hole going into the season is a dh platoon of jones and kotsay, we are in good shape.
we should have one of the best pitching staffs in the american league and much better defense. it’s amazing to me to see so many fans who think our season hinges on signing a blalock, delgado, dye, thome or whatever other trash is out there.
by mick10 on Jan 22, 2010 9:02 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
This.
Wrigley Field is a postage stamp shithole. It reeks of piss worse than R. Kelly’s underage girlfriend. It’s falling apart faster than Amy Winehouse. Their fans are denial-addled jagoffs of lowest stripe.
So you shift the black hole of suck from DH to RF
it’s all the same. It’s not all that difficult to understand that Mark Kotsay should not be part of any platoon. He hasn’t been a competent hitter since 2004. He’s nothing more than a bench player, and him being the more-PA side of a platoon isn’t a good thing.
what was it about kotsay's game you found so terrible last year?
i repeat, if kotsay playing part time for us is our biggest problem, we are pretty damn good.
You're right. It's not.
I’d say CHONE’s is, though. .254/.307/.363. Yup — not a problem in the least.
Dude, Kotsay has been a sub .700 OPS hitter for the last 3+ seasons
Even is he hits like he did for the Sox last season, that’s .783 which is still unacceptable from a DH/corner guy. Even if you are right about Kostay you’re still wrong.
by hitlesswonder on Jan 22, 2010 10:33 PM CST up reply actions
Thome's OPS last year (including his stint with LA) was .847.
Which Kotsay has equaled or exceeded exactly the following number of times in his career: 0.
As a DH, Thome is, even at 39 years old, on a different planet than Kotsay.
by The Actual El Guapo on Jan 22, 2010 10:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Saying a .783 OPS is unacceptable doesnt really help your argument
and actually makes YOU wrong. I get folks don’t think that Kotsay or Jones will perform. Really I do. But its too the point where folks like you say that even if they do perform okay (ie .780 OPS) you say they didn’t. lol.
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
If mick is right
and Q spends most of his time at DH (I don’t know if I really buy that yet) a .780 OPS with avg defense in RF I suspect is enough. That said Kotsay/Jones of course is not the player Thome is.
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
to buy that quentin is going to DH a lot
you have to believe that the white sox lie to their players about their roles. which is not the case. and, considering the ‘DH penalty’ and quentin’s approach, DHing a lot strikes me as a rather dumb idea. he’s liable to hang himself in the clubhouse batting cage during the game if he’s in a prolonged slump.
lol.
No I really don’t buy that he would be the DH. I prefer he play the field anyway for the reasons you listed.
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
Lmao yeah.
I think Ozzie said something along those lines about Q going nuts if hes not playing on the field last year.
The Boogeyman cometh
by omnipotent grab on Jan 23, 2010 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
I think Kotsay can probably
hit .270/.330/.400 off RHP.
2010 White Sox: Benching our way to the playoffs.
by colintj on Jan 24, 2010 12:35 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Oh oh oh
I’m good at this game: .290/.370/.460
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
Its fun to dream.
.295/.390/.495
The Boogeyman cometh
by omnipotent grab on Jan 24, 2010 7:00 PM CST up reply actions
Defense is cool.
But Kenny wants a power hitting lefty in the middle of our lineup. You should to.
I love how Thome is trash now, especially compared to Mark friggin Kotsay.
Apparently people really do believe Ozzieball is real
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 22, 2010 10:53 PM CST up reply actions
According to Ozzie, baseball has changed
you need a versatile DH. One that is interchangeable with the position being able to be filled by a committee of candidates and any given moment. Next we’ll hear that the DH position is actually unnecessary and that Ozzie would like to carry an extra pitcher instead of someone who actually fills the DH role. Thus stating that his pitchers will now bat in the DH position, and to prove that Tony LaRussa don’t know crap because he manages in the NL, he’ll bat the pitchers in the 7-hole. Come October, this whole season will be blamed on Jenks….he lost too much weight.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 22, 2010 11:39 PM CST up reply actions
Ozzie must be playing fantasy baseball.
Yes in fantasy baseball, you rather have a slugger who is eligible at other positions as your DH because the players have different off days and you can better maximize ABs that way.
Not a good idea in the AL.
"I think that's a lot of horse muffins." - Bob Feller
there are still plenty of available bats and their price tag can only go down.
I agree with Mick that Q! is probably our DH most of the time.
"I think that's a lot of horse muffins." - Bob Feller
But wouldn't it be better
To have great pitching and a real DH? Why would Q necessarily be a bad option in RF? He’s got a cannon so few will try to run on him, and his range is decent, better than Dye’s.
The Cubs are not a baseball team. They are a baseball-themed marketing company that hosts frat parties for post grads and tourists.
his range sucks. hopefully it is because of his injury and it will be better.
I have no problem with the concept of a masher at dh and would like to see the sox get one. my problem is the way this team is sitting right now, i’m not so sure i would give up a jason nix to sign one of them available on the free agent market right now. nix is out of options and there is a good chance we would lose him for a slight upgrade at the dh position.
no. not when there are players that are a clear upgrade.
the jayson nix and the mark kotsay are bench players that one could get for, i don’t know, brian anderson.
so.
i give less than a shit about demand, except for it allowing my team to better itself at an extremely low cost. forgive my lack of passivity, but i like to win and i like to do everything within the realm of possibility to ensure that outcome. i don’t know why you continue to argue against the signing of a DH like thome – what was it about thome’s game you found so terrible last year? – when it’s smack you in the face obvious that the team would be better with him.
i guess we're not going to agree, that's cool.
i don’t argue thome has been a great hitter in his career. he’s at the age now where we just don’t know how good he will be next year. i’m looking at what is best for the team the way it’s been constructed so far and with that, i’m not convinced we will be a better TEAM with one of these remaining dh candidates. if kw wants to make a trade for an impact bat, hell yes, i’m all for it. before all the other moves were made, i was hoping we could find a way to bring thome back. it also looks like he is probably going to be back now and i will be one of his biggest fans if that happens.
rocco baldelli is still out there as. maybe he’s the answer?
i don't see how anyone else's lack of demand changes the sox' situation.
that we are even debating if the sox need a DH is absurd. it’s a giant hole. the only clear one on the roster. get one. there are a few quality bats out there. reasonably priced too, i’m sure.
clear problem. clear solution.
Cashing checks and having sex.
you don't see an artificial limit imposed on that demand?
2010 White Sox: Benching our way to the playoffs.
our season does hinge on getting a home run threat
havent you been paying attention to Colins AL Central WAR articles?
2010 White Sox - Benching our way to the playoffs.
50/50 Chance Thome Returns
“It’s 50-50 now, which couldn’t be said [Thursday],‘’ the source said, referring to the chances of Thome re-signing. "Jim is just waiting to hear.’’
Even Guillen all but confirmed that, after insisting on Thursday, "I think we’re going in a different direction, but the right direction’’ when talking about Thome. During a town-hall meeting session with fans on the first day of SoxFest, Guillen then had to backtrack a bit, saying he thought it was settled on, but then general manager Ken Williams wanted to "have another two-hour talk’’ about it.
But if the Twins sign him first?
See the Jared Mitchell post.
The Cubs are not a baseball team. They are a baseball-themed marketing company that hosts frat parties for post grads and tourists.
I would hope kenny is smart enough to know thome would never go to the twins.
Hopfully a little smarter than you.
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 23, 2010 4:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
crede was also an indoor twin.
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 26, 2010 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
Back from the Fest, Day 1...
The first management Q and A was fairly genteel. Lots of “tanks for two tousand fiiiiiiive” (still!), and lots of kids. One guy did ask a tough question about Walker. He was armed with stats, but was quickly disarmed by those masters of evasion, Ozzie Guillen and Kenny Williams.
Ozzie said Walker’s the hitting coach because he’s good at it, and that he’s had a quick hook with coaches before (mentioning Shines and Raines). He then told stat man to give his notes to Oney.
Someone did ask Kenny about the DH situation, and he immediately pointed at Ozzie. OG expounded at length about how the DH ain’t what it used to be…blah blah blah. Reading between the lines, Kenny looked like he was willing to put up with Ozzie’s bloviating, but he will probably give him a DH if one is available (ahem!).
They’re pumped about the pitching, and rightfully so. No questions about Rios or Q!, nor did anyone express concern about Teahen playing third base.
There was some talk about Alexei’s early season troubles. Ozzie said OC mentored Alexei in 2008, and he hopes Vizquel could do the same this year.
He also said he wants his Latin American infielders to learn english, so everyone can communicate. He talked about a situation in 2005 where he joined a mound meeting of Shingo, Iguchi, and Uribe just to see what they could be talking about.
The pitching seminar with Steve Stone, Burls, and Peavy quickly turned into the AJ Pierzynski show. Here’s a quick rundown: Mark is laid back, Peavy is intense, and AJ is AJ.
There was the potential for fireworks at the Heavy Hitters seminar, because Greg Walker was on the panel. He only got one kind of tough question, about Alexei’s problems in cold weather.
Answers: Che is used to Cuba. Also said he had a strange hitch in his swing that was fixed about a month into the season. Hit from the left side in the batting cage at the ballpark yesterday.
Juan Pierre made Harold Baines sound like Chatty Cathy. He admitted he was the wrong guy for a heavy hitters panel. PK and Walk did most of the talking.
by 67WMAQ on Jan 22, 2010 9:48 PM CST reply actions 7 recs
Nice job, thank you for the recap.
That last part sounds like pure torture, though. Among the things I would find more appealing than listening to Pierre and Walker speak would be:
- Reliving the 2009 Bears season
- Listening to Kenwo bitch about Ozzie
- Darrin Jackson performing a dramatic reading of WU’s sex diary
"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"
by RWShow on Jan 23, 2010 12:26 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Those 3 minutes
consist of a minute and a half of WU trying to get it up and another minute and of half of the wife trying to wake him back up.
The Boogeyman cometh
by omnipotent grab on Jan 23, 2010 12:55 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
much better stuff on the panel this morning.
check out 67WMAQ’s twitter feed for the key quotes on johnny damon, pierre, raaaandy, getz…
Wow a post that is actually tolerable.
Thank you 67!
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 23, 2010 4:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Jenks looking trim
can’t wait to hear the “he threw harder when he had a little more girth” argument after his velocity peaks at about 91 mph this spring.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 22, 2010 11:31 PM CST reply actions
oooh oooh oooribe!
PK – “Most players here, we’re biased. If you told us that Jim is coming on this team and won’t get a hit all year we would still say, ‘sign him,’ because we love him so much. He’s like a [Juan] Uribe … well, not really but, same type of thing, he’s a guy you just want around.’’
”http://blogs.suntimes.com/whitesox/2010/01/thome_coming_back_to_the_sox_s.html" target="_blank">http://blogs.suntimes.com/whitesox/2010/01/thome_coming_back_to_the_sox_s.html
i believe the term
for a group of dunces is a dazzle. a dazzle of dunces.
you are certainly one of the more ridiculous people on this board. ~ larry
by BuehrleMan on Jan 23, 2010 7:53 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I'm with Ozzie
I believe he has more baseball savvy than you or me.
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
Perhaps
but I think his enormous ego is clouding his judgment on this one.
FifthFeather.com
by El Duque's Raft on Jan 23, 2010 9:15 AM CST up reply actions
Ozzie has an Ego???
LOL
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
Seriously
I’m with Ozzie because I think platooning the DH makes for a overall healthier team with a better attitude. I hate to do this but I’m going to get all philosophical on you. You’ve heard of the old saying “I think therefore I am” (“Cogito, ergo sum” ). There’s many different interpretations of the Latin, but a new idea is what Descartes really meant was “I think therefore I effect”. I believe a player that knows he’s important and has many opportunities to contribute will be mentally better prepared.
I live in the Pacific NW and have many opportunities to watch Boise State Football and one of little known secrets to their success is that almost everyone plays and not because their usually 25 points ahead. Everybody’s involved.
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
I like the philosophy of "I hit therefore I DH"
The Boogeyman cometh
by omnipotent grab on Jan 23, 2010 10:41 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
How about
I DH because I hit but I can’t field.
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
Sounds good to me! :)
Where in the Pac NW?
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 23, 2010 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
Bend Oregon
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
cool!
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 23, 2010 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
Either way the DH should be able to hit.
The Boogeyman cometh
by omnipotent grab on Jan 23, 2010 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
Kinda goes with the name
Designated Hitter
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
Then what's your beef with having a player that is designated solely to hit?
If you’re rotating DHs than you’re running the risk of designating a player to hit that can not in fact… hit.
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
Yeah thats why I stopped replying. I makes no sense.
The Boogeyman cometh
by omnipotent grab on Jan 23, 2010 5:52 PM CST up reply actions
No beef
I just believe the more complete ball players you have the better the whole team. Like I said above – I’m with Ozzie on this one.
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
...
Yeah, I’m with you OG.
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
Yeah. A DH doesnt have to be a complete player. Just Hit. Hard.
The Boogeyman cometh
by omnipotent grab on Jan 23, 2010 7:05 PM CST up reply actions
I'm afraid of what old Immanuel Kant is going to say about hitting the ball hard.
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
Actually
Kant is the Cubs philosopher.
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
Really?
I always had them pegged as St. Thomas Aquinas followers.
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
Usually you just exploit it.
You are maturing, grasshopper.
Wrigley Field is a postage stamp shithole. It reeks of piss worse than R. Kelly’s underage girlfriend. It’s falling apart faster than Amy Winehouse. Their fans are denial-addled jagoffs of lowest stripe.
better have had this weekend in the thome debrt
Situation with Thome hasn’t changed much from Thursday night, but Ozzie said a decision must be made before he leaves for Miami Sunday
pleasenogototwins
pleasenogototwins
pleasenogototwins
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 23, 2010 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
'the hell is unclear about that? :p
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 23, 2010 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
I see. Well. Clearly it was more of a Maria upon learning Tony killed Nardo desperation chant.....
Please make it don’t be true
please make it don’t be true….
Like that :D
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 23, 2010 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
Cheater. And liar.
Not a fan.
Wrigley Field is a postage stamp shithole. It reeks of piss worse than R. Kelly’s underage girlfriend. It’s falling apart faster than Amy Winehouse. Their fans are denial-addled jagoffs of lowest stripe.
agree
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 24, 2010 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
that's what happens after they get neutered
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 24, 2010 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
he just doesn't understand english....
if ozzie and sosa can use it so can tejada
Kenwo4life=ratings
john sickels released his 50/50 list (top 50 for pitchers, top 50 for hitters)
daniel hudson is #24.
jared mitchell is #44.
let's go with the latter and
i’ll remind myself never to ask anything other than the most coherent questions possible on a major league baseball team fan message board.
2010 White Sox: Benching our way to the playoffs.
#44 is a nice number.
Aaron, McCovey, Jackson. Dan Pasqua, too, IIRC.
I like #24 better. Mays.
More numbers, please.
Wrigley Field is a postage stamp shithole. It reeks of piss worse than R. Kelly’s underage girlfriend. It’s falling apart faster than Amy Winehouse. Their fans are denial-addled jagoffs of lowest stripe.
Damon is this years Abreu
KW kicked the tires on Abreu last year and JD wasn’t happy. Now Dye and Thome both aren’t around (yet). Damon is the kind of addition Ozzie seems to want, someone to play the field and DH when its his turn. Plus he can still run and his production is solid. If the Yanks and Braves really only have 2 mil left in their budgets (Yanks poker face here), and the chief competition is the Tigers or Twins, whats the harm in kicking the tires on Damon? What might end up being his best offer? 1 yr/8 mil? If so, why not try? Thats not a budget breaker for a team vying for a championship. As far as what they have in house now for DH, I don’t believe Jones should be the DH often, as he’s the teams best outfielder and should be out there if he’s playing. Q is average at best in left (really below but this Sox koolaid tells me different), and that only leads me to believe he will be bad in right. Someone mentioned he has a canon for an arm…….are you crazy? Not good is what his arm is. Hey, I love the dude but he is what he is. So when Jones plays, Q or Pierre is DH or on bench. Unless of course Jones is 300 lbs.
I can't understand why in the hell we didn't go after damon from the start and forget about pierre.
not sure he’s a good fit now though.
because boras is his agent
and you forgot the early numbers he wanted
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
true, boras was probably the stopper.
still, the extra cash paid to damon over pierre would be worth it, imo.
way better player yes
but I wasnt giving him 10+ million for 3 years. No thanks.
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
I could care less about Pierre
Im just talking about what Boras initally wanted for Damon. and again it is Scott Boras.
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
Damon wanted $13MM/year.
Idiot.
Wrigley Field is a postage stamp shithole. It reeks of piss worse than R. Kelly’s underage girlfriend. It’s falling apart faster than Amy Winehouse. Their fans are denial-addled jagoffs of lowest stripe.
By that, I mean Damon's the idiot.
Not you, Tdogg.
Wrigley Field is a postage stamp shithole. It reeks of piss worse than R. Kelly’s underage girlfriend. It’s falling apart faster than Amy Winehouse. Their fans are denial-addled jagoffs of lowest stripe.
i dont see pierre affecting who they should get
possibly how much they could spend on getting an impact player
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Jan 23, 2010 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
it definitely does
the accounting isn’t WAR, it’s WAJP. so if he ends up settling for say 8MM for his 3ish wins…it’s more likely 8MM for 1.5 wins. you can see why that’s less appealing. and what’s so annoying about having both kotsay and pierre.
2010 White Sox: Benching our way to the playoffs.
i get that it makes it less efficient
but without digging into the numbers due to a lack of time, i have a feeling the marginal value for those 1.5 wins is relatively high. Outside of dh (which damon would improve), where else could the sox conceivably spend that 8MM to upgrade more than 1.5 wins?
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Jan 23, 2010 6:31 PM CST up reply actions
outside of DH?
that’s kind of relevant. Thome is a ~1.5 win upgrade and will cost 3-6, not 8.
but ok, elsewhere? the Sox are trying to get at least 1-2 wins everywhere else, so that means finding a 3 WAR player just waiting to be signed for relatively cheap:
http://baseballprojection.com/2010/freeagent2010.htm
Damon and, as larry mentioned, O-Dawg are the only obvious possibilities. As for the marginal revenue accrued for those wins, it’s probably around the 3-4MM per:
Which is why I assume Sox brass took the stance they did toward Thome. His addition at these prices mean that they can only break even on the deal. Listening to JR talk about it, my impression was that he was basically saying “Yeah we could sign Thome. Or maybe we won’t. It doesn’t really matter.” If it isn’t going to change their calculation much, it’s all about what the fans demand, right? So maybe SSS making the case and bitching enough has helped.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
Oh, yeah, we are moving the JR financial commitment needle here at SSS.
Wrigley Field is a postage stamp shithole. It reeks of piss worse than R. Kelly’s underage girlfriend. It’s falling apart faster than Amy Winehouse. Their fans are denial-addled jagoffs of lowest stripe.
that's a convenient way to excuse yourselves from going after some of the best players in the game.
andruw jones is a boras client and that didn’t stop kw from getting him, did it?
Slight difference in price there.
Sox might’ve been the only team willing to give him a major-league contract.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Jan 23, 2010 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
If you're anal retentive about the precision of impromptu answers when deductive reasoning can easily fill in the gaps, sure.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
$20K commission is not chicken feed, larry.
Only a few billables to you, but a month’s work for some.
Wrigley Field is a postage stamp shithole. It reeks of piss worse than R. Kelly’s underage girlfriend. It’s falling apart faster than Amy Winehouse. Their fans are denial-addled jagoffs of lowest stripe.
it's not like boras doesn't have people working for him.
who handle the garbage like $500K contracts for jones and arbitration for crede.
I believe if Scott Boras really provides "personal service"
he will negotiate each deal from tee to green. Because he is a micromanager in the Michael Eisner sense. And just wait when ‘Druw gets Comeback Player of the Year. He is this year’s Abreu from last year.
THEN Boras cleans up. Mo’ money,mo’ money, mo’ money…
Wrigley Field is a postage stamp shithole. It reeks of piss worse than R. Kelly’s underage girlfriend. It’s falling apart faster than Amy Winehouse. Their fans are denial-addled jagoffs of lowest stripe.
Whoosh.
But a good link.
Wrigley Field is a postage stamp shithole. It reeks of piss worse than R. Kelly’s underage girlfriend. It’s falling apart faster than Amy Winehouse. Their fans are denial-addled jagoffs of lowest stripe.
I said it was a good link.
Sorry I didn’t (kiss your behind) express my appreciation enough.
Wrigley Field is a postage stamp shithole. It reeks of piss worse than R. Kelly’s underage girlfriend. It’s falling apart faster than Amy Winehouse. Their fans are denial-addled jagoffs of lowest stripe.
by winningugly on Jan 24, 2010 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
I thought you might be human
and have missed one. That’s all.
Wrigley Field is a postage stamp shithole. It reeks of piss worse than R. Kelly’s underage girlfriend. It’s falling apart faster than Amy Winehouse. Their fans are denial-addled jagoffs of lowest stripe.
by winningugly on Jan 24, 2010 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
i don't believe jones should be the DH often either, but he's not the team's best outfielder. he is, however, it's largest.
Cashing checks and having sex.
He is however
likely to be a better defensive LF or RF than Pierre or Q, provided he’s in shape.
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game last year in 2008.
by NorthSidePaulie on Jan 23, 2010 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
What shape specifically?
Ive always been a fan of the rhombus myself.
The Boogeyman cometh
by omnipotent grab on Jan 23, 2010 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
amphibious landing craft shape?
poke in the eye shape?
you are certainly one of the more ridiculous people on this board. ~ larry
Adrian Gonzales will be in a Sox uni
In 2010. The question is whether it will be a White or Red Sox uni. Its no coincidence that DV was at 1B during Camp Cora and that he is a ST invitee. Padres love potential that another club has already paid for. I don’t expect it to happen until after opening day because the fans here in San Diego would revolt, but he will be gone during the season barring an injury.
by Duck99 on Jan 23, 2010 12:25 PM CST via mobile reply actions
well deserved.
watched it this morning. awesome.
you are certainly one of the more ridiculous people on this board. ~ larry
hahn and laumann on prospects
Leesman: top 2 or 3 lefties in organization. Viciedo will eventually move to 1st.
not sure that’s saying much, though, considering the lack of lefties
Leesman: will be a factor out of pen before too long.
Picks to click in 2010: Hawk, Alex Rios. Stoney: Beckham
"ass hole thi is the same line up whit leftys you idiot"
Soxfest was good. I drank some kool-aid.
Freddy looks like he is 25 years old… jenks looks good….
I’m going to the hospital today. Wife is looking to pop today. If its a boy I think Frank Thomas is a lovely name :)
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Jan 24, 2010 4:06 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
Good luck. Hope everything goes as it should.
Wrigley Field is a postage stamp shithole. It reeks of piss worse than R. Kelly’s underage girlfriend. It’s falling apart faster than Amy Winehouse. Their fans are denial-addled jagoffs of lowest stripe.
Good luck as well
I like: Ozzie “Gentleman Jim” Aparicio
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 24, 2010 9:57 AM CST up reply actions
colin, your recommended image needs further expression.
Wrigley Field is a postage stamp shithole. It reeks of piss worse than R. Kelly’s underage girlfriend. It’s falling apart faster than Amy Winehouse. Their fans are denial-addled jagoffs of lowest stripe.
by winningugly on Jan 24, 2010 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
you've been here long enough WU
who really needs the luck, KenWo or Bobby?
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
If you name your kid Frank Thomas Im naming my next kid kenwo, because that is awesome.
"I think that's a lot of horse muffins." - Bob Feller
by e-gus on Jan 24, 2010 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
it was in the works.... and then it was a girl. should of named it harriet baines.
Kenwo4life=ratings
but never fear... the name is maggie.... or as I will call her... maggs
I’m always thinking.
Kenwo4life=ratings
Interesting. Hadn't heard this before:
“The Sox had mutual interest in left-handed hitter Nick Johnson but couldn’t afford the one-year, $5.5 million contract the Yankees gave him. They also couldn’t pursue free agent Chad Tracy for similar seasons.”
They couldn't afford Chad Tracy because of financial reasons
I’m calling shenanigans.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 24, 2010 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
i think they probably worded that badly
the rumor was that Johnson took less to go to the Yankees, so I doubt what the Sox were able to pay mattered.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
Tiger Woods mistress golf flash game. Really funny, really fun:
"I think that's a lot of horse muffins." - Bob Feller
I see a lot of people
who want Thome back listing various stats like his BA or OBP but I think the reason Guillen doesn’t want him back is for one big reason… He’s a baseclogger. It’s a crying to see either Thome or Konerko sitting on 2nd base and they watching them having to stop on 3rd after a single. Call it Ozzie ball or whatever but I think Guillen is trying to get away from that element in the lineup.
by Dils on Jan 24, 2010 7:04 PM CST reply actions 6 recs
You sir, are fantastic. Super rec.
The Boogeyman cometh
by omnipotent grab on Jan 24, 2010 7:38 PM CST up reply actions
This was 100000x better than seeing Favre lose.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 24, 2010 9:33 PM CST up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHAH
Its a crying!
The Boogeyman cometh
by omnipotent grab on Jan 24, 2010 11:01 PM CST up reply actions
Having read this, I'm feeling better
With Kotsay and Vizquel we’ll finally get some bunting and situational hitting which Thome couldn’t provide. I get it now.
by hitlesswonder on Jan 25, 2010 1:24 AM CST up reply actions
Yes
When the situation calls for an out, they are your guys!
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
But here's the thing
It doesn’t matter how well Thome gets on if you have to play station-to station baseball. That’s been one of our biggest issues offensively the last few years. You can have one or two of those guys tops. But you starting hitting Thome and Konerko back-to-back, then you’re just begging for trouble.
still no word
from Ozzie on signing Jimbo Thome. He said his flight leaves at 4pm for Miami, and I assume that he’s at the airport checking in by now. So we must suffer for another day on this. If he signs with the Twins, I don’t know what I’ll do. Probably nothing, but I’ll get really mad.
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