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Will He or Won't He?

Use this thread to get mad at Ozzie playing GM and denying you an American League offense...

Or maybe, just maybe, celebrate the Gentleman Masher's return.

"Whoever wants to come to the White Sox as long as I'm here is not going to be a full-time DH," Guillen said after a brisk question-and-answer session with fans. "Nobody. I don't care who it is.''

GM Ozzie.

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i like iced cream

wrapped and sealed with masking tape moistened with sweat experience existence of ignorance

by onlysoxfaninboston on Jan 25, 2010 11:33 AM CST reply actions  

As the great Clint Eastwood said in the underappreciated Heartbreak Ridge 1986

“It’s a cluster fuck, sir”

"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer

by Tdogg on Jan 25, 2010 11:39 AM CST reply actions  

Great tramp stamp.

I believe she started the trend. or was it Pamela Anerson?

Wrigley Field is a postage stamp shithole. It reeks of piss worse than R. Kelly’s underage girlfriend. It’s falling apart faster than Amy Winehouse. Their fans are denial-addled jagoffs of lowest stripe.

by winningugly on Jan 25, 2010 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Anderson, GDI.

Wrigley Field is a postage stamp shithole. It reeks of piss worse than R. Kelly’s underage girlfriend. It’s falling apart faster than Amy Winehouse. Their fans are denial-addled jagoffs of lowest stripe.

by winningugly on Jan 25, 2010 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought it applied to all female tattoos.

Not an expert, I will defer to your wisdom and experience.

Wrigley Field is a postage stamp shithole. It reeks of piss worse than R. Kelly’s underage girlfriend. It’s falling apart faster than Amy Winehouse. Their fans are denial-addled jagoffs of lowest stripe.

by winningugly on Jan 25, 2010 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Urban Dictionary. It exists.

God damn. Learn your shit, OPOS!

"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"

by RWShow on Jan 25, 2010 4:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I am actually working.

No time for accuracy. It’s the Internet. Nice folks like you will keep me informed and humbled.

Wrigley Field is a postage stamp shithole. It reeks of piss worse than R. Kelly’s underage girlfriend. It’s falling apart faster than Amy Winehouse. Their fans are denial-addled jagoffs of lowest stripe.

by winningugly on Jan 25, 2010 4:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Damn right we will.

I look forward to my twilight, where I can be lovingly disrespected and abused on message boards, too.

"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"

by RWShow on Jan 25, 2010 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

well, duh.

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.

by thatshortkid on Jan 25, 2010 6:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice extrapolation.

Tramp. ;)

Wrigley Field is a postage stamp shithole. It reeks of piss worse than R. Kelly’s underage girlfriend. It’s falling apart faster than Amy Winehouse. Their fans are denial-addled jagoffs of lowest stripe.

by winningugly on Jan 25, 2010 6:43 PM CST up reply actions  

My wife, the Jew, does actually believe that.

If my kid ever comes home with a tattoo she is SOL.

Wrigley Field is a postage stamp shithole. It reeks of piss worse than R. Kelly’s underage girlfriend. It’s falling apart faster than Amy Winehouse. Their fans are denial-addled jagoffs of lowest stripe.

by winningugly on Jan 25, 2010 7:01 PM CST up reply actions  

way to be a dick.

everyone who read that just shook their heads and moved along. but you had to be the asshole who embarasses him.

by larry on Jan 25, 2010 4:06 PM CST up reply actions  

It's like calling out grandpa for farting at the dinner table.

Everybody knows he did it, but he can’t control it, so why humiliate?

"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"

by RWShow on Jan 25, 2010 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Because you're the one who actually farted.

We first got our hair cut today. I am not very happy with this result.
-Rinku

by SonOfCron on Jan 25, 2010 4:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't act like you didn't like it.

"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"

by RWShow on Jan 25, 2010 4:10 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL.

I am beyond embarassment after 35K+ idiot posts.

Wrigley Field is a postage stamp shithole. It reeks of piss worse than R. Kelly’s underage girlfriend. It’s falling apart faster than Amy Winehouse. Their fans are denial-addled jagoffs of lowest stripe.

by winningugly on Jan 25, 2010 6:36 PM CST up reply actions  

If his definition is 160+ games

Then we’ll be just fine with Thome playing 120 of them.. otherwise this has 5th Starter written all over it.

by Grinder in Training on Jan 25, 2010 11:51 AM CST reply actions  

Just to make it more explicit
We received an e-mail tip today that a Chicago radio station is reporting that Jim Thome will sign with the Twins by day’s end.

by Sox-35th on Jan 25, 2010 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

But then the next paragraph contradicts that.
I called a Twins official, expecting to hear that this is totally far-fetched, and turns out they do have real interest in Thome and haven’t ruled out their chances of signing him. Probably not today, mind you, but it’s getting late in the offseason and the prices for free agents are falling fast.

you guys, oh my god you guys

by homesickalien on Jan 25, 2010 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

What I would not understand is

if Thome would be willing to accept a bench role with the Twins. Why wouldn’t he accept it here? Especially knowing he’d outhit everybody else anyway and force more playing time. I don’t agree with Kenwo often (like once a child birth) but this is seriously fuck up.

"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer

by Tdogg on Jan 25, 2010 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

That Article

Was posted on Friday when the first initial interest of the Twins was reported. Nothing in the text of the article has changed since then, despite it saying “Updated January 25th.”

by DirtySox on Jan 25, 2010 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

duh

good catch.

"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer

by Tdogg on Jan 25, 2010 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Wrecked, for being such a violation of the nature of the Gentleman Masher...

Gangsta names for Thome

Dr. Tho
JiMoney
Lil Gent
Tho-homie
25 cent
Jimbolicious

Drunk Tank Mace

by DrEmilioLizardo on Jan 25, 2010 12:42 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

I love all of these. Thank you very much.

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have fifty cents." - Kenny Williams

by Servant2LordBeckham on Jan 25, 2010 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Rec'd

Couldn’t stop laughing at “25 cent”

Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game last year in 2008.

by NorthSidePaulie on Jan 25, 2010 6:17 PM CST up reply actions  

If we do sign Jim - playing him only against righties

would jive with what Guillen said. And makes sense for both parties.

by Shakey on Jan 25, 2010 12:47 PM CST reply actions  

Maybe Ozzie can manage them like a little league team.

Thome can DH and Ozzie can rotate Kotsay and Jones into the OF every 3 innings. That way everybody gets plenty of playing time and their parents don’t complain.

by ExileDC on Jan 25, 2010 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

aHA! so THAT is how kenwo got his mvp trophies!

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.

by thatshortkid on Jan 25, 2010 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

no shit, thome needs to earn his playing time

wrapped and sealed with masking tape moistened with sweat experience existence of ignorance

by onlysoxfaninboston on Jan 25, 2010 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Totally, totally NSFW. Not even a little. Save this for later, alone time....

From the guy who created one of my favorite sites, “FUCK YEAH, CILANTRO” –
This is a tasteful site mostly containing artistic photographs of women.

Enjoy!

www.syntheticpubes.com

you guys, oh my god you guys

by homesickalien on Jan 25, 2010 1:17 PM CST reply actions  

Yes.
Question:
Andrew, my friend told me you hit on her at a bar in NYC. Her name was Leslie and she said you smelled really bad. Is this true?
asked by dillweed on Saturday, April 3, 2004

Answer:
Dear Dillweed, You’re right, I did hit on her. I hit on her all night until she was bloody and smashed beyond recognition. Right when I got into the bar I walked right up to her and hit her right on the head and then I hit her in the stomach and smashed a beer bottle in her teeth and then I hit her elbows together so that they cracked and splintered. But that was only the very begining – I put on some construction gloves and grabbed her face and crunched it as I hard as I could so that the skin got all torn and scraped off – then I took a chair and put the leg of the chair on her stomach and then jumped on top of it so that it impaled her through the guts. I then got a brick in one hand and a hammer in the other and started hitting her in the face again and again and again. I was pretty exhausted after all that and I was dripping with sweat – that’s probably why she said I smelled bad. It was a hard time.
Your friend, Andrew W.K.

Chicago White Sox Examiner — I wish I could cuss right now.

by UribeAuction on Jan 25, 2010 3:34 PM CST up reply actions  

That guy is awesome

White Sox fan; Jeppson's Malort man

by KarkoviceIsHawt on Jan 25, 2010 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

haHA!

you guys, oh my god you guys

by homesickalien on Jan 25, 2010 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

More Thome clues from SoxFest

If you went into a coma in July, woke up last week, and went to SoxFest, you would think Thome was still on the team.

There were jersey giveaways, discussions of his charity, etc. There was more official recognition of Thome than Jermaine or Contreras.

Thome’s production is a known quantity. Even if OG wanted to play the wheel of DH’s, he’s a solid base.

Every Merry Go Round needs to be anchored to the ground. Otherwise it crashes into the Tilt-O-Whirl.

by 67WMAQ on Jan 25, 2010 1:21 PM CST reply actions  

get rid of that shit now.

after he leads the twins to the next five intergalactic trophies (last three as player-manager-GM), you won’t be able to give it away.

by larry on Jan 25, 2010 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

punto isn't a leader.

he’s simply an emulsifier.

by larry on Jan 25, 2010 2:15 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Rec'd for the use of "emulsifier".

Wrigley Field is a postage stamp shithole. It reeks of piss worse than R. Kelly’s underage girlfriend. It’s falling apart faster than Amy Winehouse. Their fans are denial-addled jagoffs of lowest stripe.

by winningugly on Jan 25, 2010 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Nostradamustensen

“No news yet today on the Jim Thome front. I get the feeling he’ll end up back with the White Sox, who have left the decision up to Manager Ozzie Guillen.”

http://www.startribune.com/blogs/78693392.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUUUycaEacyU

Take this for what it’s worth, but Joe Christensen accurately predicted the Russian invasion of Afghanistan, the stock market crash in 1987, and the melting of the polar ice caps.

by ExileDC on Jan 25, 2010 1:45 PM CST reply actions  

Don't get me started on how far a polar bear can swim.

"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 25, 2010 3:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Greenie.

And perfect.

Wrigley Field is a postage stamp shithole. It reeks of piss worse than R. Kelly’s underage girlfriend. It’s falling apart faster than Amy Winehouse. Their fans are denial-addled jagoffs of lowest stripe.

by winningugly on Jan 25, 2010 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

always a good feeling to use carl's work to snag a greenie.

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.

by thatshortkid on Jan 25, 2010 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

You emulsifier, you.

I love that word today.

Wrigley Field is a postage stamp shithole. It reeks of piss worse than R. Kelly’s underage girlfriend. It’s falling apart faster than Amy Winehouse. Their fans are denial-addled jagoffs of lowest stripe.

by winningugly on Jan 25, 2010 4:04 PM CST up reply actions  

It got many more than that, IIRC.

Wrigley Field is a postage stamp shithole. It reeks of piss worse than R. Kelly’s underage girlfriend. It’s falling apart faster than Amy Winehouse. Their fans are denial-addled jagoffs of lowest stripe.

by winningugly on Jan 25, 2010 6:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Should be updated

To show a bunch of Sox fans in the background equally sad for him, hoping that call comes his way. Damn you Ozzie Guillen.

by Grinder in Training on Jan 25, 2010 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

.

Wrigley Field is a postage stamp shithole. It reeks of piss worse than R. Kelly’s underage girlfriend. It’s falling apart faster than Amy Winehouse. Their fans are denial-addled jagoffs of lowest stripe.

by winningugly on Jan 25, 2010 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

excellent!

Thome : white :: Uribe : uribish

by thecip on Jan 25, 2010 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Totally heartbreaking.

"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"

by RWShow on Jan 25, 2010 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, there's really no room for Jim with Kotsay on the team

BTW did any catch Ozzie saying he would not use Vizquel as sub in a blowout because it would be disrespectful? The Sox will have DHs chosen for their ability to play the field and a substitute infielder that can only be used as a starter.

I hope Alexei Ramirez is bringing a DS or some stuff to read with him to the ballpark because I think he’ll be on the bench a lot more than he’s used to.

by hitlesswonder on Jan 25, 2010 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

If he's not at SS, I'd at least hope he's DHing

Over Kotsay, Nix, Jones and Castro. Ozzie is doing his damndest to make sure he doesn’t have to suffer through the cold of managing in Chicago in late October / early November.

In any case though, I think it’d be Teahen sitting more often, not Alexei, or that would be my hope.

by Grinder in Training on Jan 25, 2010 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

haha. this is what one gets for making comments in the trib.

Thome was great in his day. But the Jim Thome of 2009 was a one dimensional hitter. Thirty or so home runs a year is not really a contribution when you consider what he did those other 500 AB’s. When he does get on base any other way, Thome just clogs the basepaths. You can’t hit and run with him. He takes away any chance to manufacture runs.


Hopefully, the Sox won’t sign Thome.


Ex-Chicagoan (01/25/2010, 11:34 AM )

I really wish people would stop saying these silly things. Jim Thome was the most productive offensive player the White Sox had for the whole year. His OPS was .864 people. I don’t give a darn how often he struck out. His OPS was .961 in high leverage (clutch) situations last year. Please stop with the Dusty Baker like statements. KW really must save Ozzie from himself. This is thoughly insane. Thome vs Jones, Kotsay is ridiculous. The White Sox play in an offensive ballpark and Ozzie seems to be trying to tie a hand behind his back on purpose.


You have more than enough versatility on the bench. Give me someone who can actually hit.


tdogg05 (01/25/2010, 12:41 PM )

tdogg05 is right. Let’s forget about building a club based on the 2005 formula. All that ever did was get us a World Series championship.


Ex-Chicagoan (01/25/2010, 3:17 PM )

you are certainly one of the more ridiculous people on this board. ~ larry

by BuehrleMan on Jan 25, 2010 3:56 PM CST reply actions  

Why do people love to believe this lie?

"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"

by RWShow on Jan 25, 2010 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Because the fact the pitching was fantastic hides the fact the team scored very little runs

Which ironically is what KW DID realize and promptly traded for Jim Thome. Go figure.

"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer

by Tdogg on Jan 25, 2010 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I recall many assholes hating that trade.

My God did I love it.

"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"

by RWShow on Jan 25, 2010 4:27 PM CST up reply actions  

A lot of people hated it

Because it also meant no Frank Thomas. I don’t know if people really hated it for Grinder Ball reasons.

by Grinder in Training on Jan 25, 2010 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

that

and an irrational fear that his elbow injury, which only affected his throwing, was some kind of portent.

by larry on Jan 25, 2010 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

boom! roasted.

clearly.

you are certainly one of the more ridiculous people on this board. ~ larry

by BuehrleMan on Jan 25, 2010 6:56 PM CST up reply actions  

or maybe you could try this with someone complaining about thome hitting into too many double plays.

162 game average for thome: 10 gidp. 162 game average for juan pierre: 8 gidp.

also, jim thome has approximately 800 more at bats in his career than andruw jones. andruw jones has grounded into 26 more double plays.

you are certainly one of the more ridiculous people on this board. ~ larry

by BuehrleMan on Jan 25, 2010 7:15 PM CST up reply actions  

you mean 163 game average

2010 White Sox - Benching our way to the playoffs.

by blackoutsox on Jan 25, 2010 7:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Are most of you guys really this pathetic?

You guys are bellyaching over a 40 year old broken down slugger. Look, he pinched hit twice in a month with LA. You ALL bitched when we could not score from 2nd on a base hit. Now you guys want that shit back. Bitch please (in tdogg voice).

"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 25, 2010 4:04 PM CST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Well illini,

It is relevant because OBVIOUSLY, LA felt they had better options off the bench, OR they didn’t pinch hit for the pitchers.

"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 25, 2010 4:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I forgot pitchers hit in the NL and that selig made a rule change that you can not pinch hit for pitchers anymore.

Bravo illini. You won your first argument.

"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 25, 2010 4:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

so if torre didn't pinch hit thome

it was the correct move?

We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro

by Illini0509 on Jan 25, 2010 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

bravo

you’re still a total douche bag.

We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro

by Illini0509 on Jan 25, 2010 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

That's not much of an argument.

Way to go out on a limb.

"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 25, 2010 4:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

how bout this

thome had 22 PA from 9/1 till the end of the regular season. do you prefer that?

We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro

by Illini0509 on Jan 25, 2010 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

*till the end of the season

We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro

by Illini0509 on Jan 25, 2010 4:40 PM CST up reply actions  

You win but you still lose!

Haha! Thome is old and decrepit much like WU.

"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 25, 2010 4:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

ha

sorry for calling you a douche, haven’t slept much lately

We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro

by Illini0509 on Jan 25, 2010 4:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Old and decrepit.

Come out of the shadows next meet-up. We’ll see.

Wrigley Field is a postage stamp shithole. It reeks of piss worse than R. Kelly’s underage girlfriend. It’s falling apart faster than Amy Winehouse. Their fans are denial-addled jagoffs of lowest stripe.

by winningugly on Jan 25, 2010 6:40 PM CST up reply actions  

haha i will wu.

if you dont un-invite me this time!!!!

"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 26, 2010 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

i will even pick you up from midway in the lex.

"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 26, 2010 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

not much of an argument at all.

more of a given.

"I think that's a lot of horse muffins." - Bob Feller

by e-gus on Jan 25, 2010 5:53 PM CST up reply actions  

you're a big bag of dicks

I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.

by colintj on Jan 25, 2010 4:12 PM CST up reply actions  

What do you see when you picture a bag of dicks?

Is it a clear plastic bag with the dicks all mushed in there together like chicken parts, with a date written on it with Sharpie? Or is it a paper bag with a bunch of dicks sticking out like baguettes, like they were hanging in a window somewhere.

Here ya go Susie, have a blue one.

We first got our hair cut today. I am not very happy with this result.
-Rinku

by SonOfCron on Jan 25, 2010 4:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Louis!

you guys, oh my god you guys

by homesickalien on Jan 25, 2010 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Favorite stand-up of all time.

Not just comedian, but the set “Shameless.” I could listen to it a thousand times and it would never get old. Followed closely by Brian Regan Live.

We first got our hair cut today. I am not very happy with this result.
-Rinku

by SonOfCron on Jan 25, 2010 4:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I will concede to Carlin having the better body of work

But Louis still has my favorite lead-in to a bit ever: “I was at a bar the other night – it doesn’t matter where because I’m lying…”

We first got our hair cut today. I am not very happy with this result.
-Rinku

by SonOfCron on Jan 25, 2010 4:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Louis and Brian Regan are fantastic.

You gotta have kids to really appreciate, HSA. So start birthing, already. Your eggs are not getting stronger, you know.

Wrigley Field is a postage stamp shithole. It reeks of piss worse than R. Kelly’s underage girlfriend. It’s falling apart faster than Amy Winehouse. Their fans are denial-addled jagoffs of lowest stripe.

by winningugly on Jan 25, 2010 6:41 PM CST up reply actions  

The White Sox chosen replacements for Thome are more broken down than he is

Kotsay/Jones have the ability to play corner OF spots (probably marginally in Kotsay’s case). That’s what they do better than Thome. What they do worse is hit. I imagine the multiple choice they give potential major league GMs (AL version) has this question:

4) When choosing a designated hitter, you should choose
     a) The better fielder
     b) The better hitter

by hitlesswonder on Jan 25, 2010 4:17 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

b) is actually 'The better offensive player'

you do need to dock thome for not being able to run and stuff.

by larry on Jan 25, 2010 4:19 PM CST up reply actions  

true, that's more accurate

Using “better hitter” was a perhaps unnecessary rhetorical device to point out the connection to the name of the position.

by hitlesswonder on Jan 25, 2010 4:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Eh.

Thome was -5.4 runs last year as a baserunner, according to EqBRR. But Jones was -1.7 in a lot less playing time. Kotsay was -1.5 in still less playing time, split between BOS and CHA. Vizquel was -2.4 in, also, much less playing time.

The funny thing is, these are all guys that, to the extent that they cost the Sox fewer runs on the bases, it’s because they simply are incapable of getting on the bases.

by cwyers on Jan 25, 2010 4:51 PM CST up reply actions  

jones had 100 less PA.

i’m comfortable with saying he’s a better baserunner. and at a statistically significant level.

by larry on Jan 25, 2010 5:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Statistically significant? Maybe.

I’m feeling too lazy to actually do projections and test this.

Practically significant? Probably not. On the other side of the coin, I think that a Jones/Kotsay platoon is worth, oh, about 20 runs below an average hitter over the course of a season. I mean, that’s a rough figure. Maybe it’s really 15 runs or 25 runs or what have you. I didn’t spend a lot of time crunching the numbers. I think we can all agree that, even with his bad baserunning, Thome is probably still an above-average offensive player.

by cwyers on Jan 25, 2010 5:10 PM CST up reply actions  

i doubt many disagree with that.

the point was that a DH doesn’t get a pinch runner every time he reaches base.

by larry on Jan 25, 2010 5:11 PM CST up reply actions  

seriously?

i’ve been under the assumption that they’d get a replacement level DH out of it.

I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.

by colintj on Jan 25, 2010 6:39 PM CST up reply actions  

and, just to add on,

i think we can stop with the whole “vizquel at DH thing”. maybe he’ll make 4 appearances there. yes, it’s terrible. is it something to get worked up over and twitter about? probably not.

by larry on Jan 25, 2010 5:04 PM CST up reply actions  

TY.

Wrigley Field is a postage stamp shithole. It reeks of piss worse than R. Kelly’s underage girlfriend. It’s falling apart faster than Amy Winehouse. Their fans are denial-addled jagoffs of lowest stripe.

by winningugly on Jan 25, 2010 6:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Trust me, I didn't build this team.

But the team I built in my new MLB video game was way better. I traded kotsay for hanley ramirez and traded BA and PK for pujols. Now I can let the simulations run :)

"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 25, 2010 4:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Oh yeah?

Well on my game I started with the team we have right now, and at the trading deadline I swapped Andruw Jones for Adrian Gonzalez. And guess what? We’re in the world series against the Dodgers.

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have fifty cents." - Kenny Williams

by Servant2LordBeckham on Jan 25, 2010 5:14 PM CST up reply actions  

It just HAPPENS to be a declining 40 year old Jim Thome.

The declining 40 year old had a .864 OPS. See anything we have now, combination(s) of what we have now, OR anything left out there that will enable us to SCORE MORE RUNS than the declining Thome? Unfortunately no….not even close….except for maybe John Damon.

by dantesox on Jan 25, 2010 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Sidebar:

I asked Ozzie yesterday at the morning Q and A if he were open-minded, then suggested he hit Pierre ninth and have Beckham lead-off…like, as in most of the time, if he was actually going to have Pierre in the lineup. He made light of it and make me look foolish, but Stoney, Baines…etc. didn’t laugh.

by dantesox on Jan 25, 2010 4:24 PM CST reply actions  

Huh

"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 25, 2010 4:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Dantesox asked Ozzie at a Q and A

if Ozzie would consider batting Pierre ninth and Beckham leadoff when they were both in the lineup. Ozzie made light of it and made Dantesox look foolish, but Stoney, Baines… etc were not laughing. Presumably because they saw the wisdom in this suggestion and did not agree that it was a laughing matter.
I hope that I’ve cleared things up.

We first got our hair cut today. I am not very happy with this result.
-Rinku

by SonOfCron on Jan 25, 2010 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

WTGTD seemed confused

So I tried to clear up your pretty self-explanatory post.

And no, I was not there.

We first got our hair cut today. I am not very happy with this result.
-Rinku

by SonOfCron on Jan 25, 2010 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Thank you.

Dante needs to get all those mind numbing thoughts on a piece of paper before he turns them into a post. Thank you for clarifying in English soc.

"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 25, 2010 4:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

You do realize that you and your question have been mentioned several times in articles?

Right? And I agree with Ozzie, I think that’s a terrible idea.

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have fifty cents." - Kenny Williams

by Servant2LordBeckham on Jan 25, 2010 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Isn't everyone projecting Beckham to be an RBI guy with 20+ HR potential?

Enlighten me as to why we’d take him out of two spot or middle of the order and put him at leadoff, please.

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have fifty cents." - Kenny Williams

by Servant2LordBeckham on Jan 25, 2010 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Because leading off, you see, ensures he gets THE MOST AT-BATS.

Secondly, and this might appeal to the Wizard of Oz, he can tell himself that Pierre is like a "second lead-off man, " getting on base, stealing bags and having Mr. RBI man Beckham driving him in.

by dantesox on Jan 25, 2010 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

And I understand that aspect of it...

But are you suggesting that Beckham ISN’T an RBI guy? Because if Pierre is batting ninth and he gets on, it’ll be Beckham’s job to drive him in regardless. I don’t understand all the Pierre hate. We could be a lot worse off. Looks in the direction of KC’s centerfield

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have fifty cents." - Kenny Williams

by Servant2LordBeckham on Jan 25, 2010 4:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Pierre is kind of bad.

Its sort of appealing to move the worst hitter on the team to a spot that limits his at-bats.

by hitlesswonder on Jan 25, 2010 4:52 PM CST up reply actions  

They didn't trade for him to bat 8th.

He will be your leadoff guy through rain sleet hail snow.

"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 25, 2010 5:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Exactly...

They traded for Teahen to bat down there.

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have fifty cents." - Kenny Williams

by Servant2LordBeckham on Jan 25, 2010 6:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Laughing

so I don’t cry

Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game last year in 2008.

by NorthSidePaulie on Jan 25, 2010 6:27 PM CST up reply actions  

When u got thome opsing 850

Who the fuck needs beckham’s production?

"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 25, 2010 4:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Haha.

That’s assuming a deal gets done. I really don’t want to see Masher wearing a Twins uniform. Remember Crede’s first at-bat against the Sox?

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have fifty cents." - Kenny Williams

by Servant2LordBeckham on Jan 25, 2010 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I def can't remember the last though ;)

"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 25, 2010 4:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

haha

nice

We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro

by Illini0509 on Jan 25, 2010 6:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Serial killer....

That’s pretty harsh.

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have fifty cents." - Kenny Williams

by Servant2LordBeckham on Jan 25, 2010 6:31 PM CST up reply actions  

He does talk to himself a lot.

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Jan 25, 2010 7:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Is that the same as "liking" your own Facebook posts

and using your own quotes in your SSS sig?

Wrigley Field is a postage stamp shithole. It reeks of piss worse than R. Kelly’s underage girlfriend. It’s falling apart faster than Amy Winehouse. Their fans are denial-addled jagoffs of lowest stripe.

by winningugly on Jan 25, 2010 7:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Porque?

Oh.. b/c it means Pierre is in the line up at all… for a second there I thought that you thought having Pierre lead off was a good idea. Whoosh on me.

by Grinder in Training on Jan 25, 2010 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

While I'm at it....

by far the most respectful, interesting, and probably best baseball man the Sox have is Rick Hahn, and, as in years past, he didn’t disappoint when he did his seminar with Laumann. Most of you probably already know that, but I still wanted to take a moment to tip my hat to Hahn.

by dantesox on Jan 25, 2010 4:27 PM CST reply actions  

he is good.

it will be a sad day when another team hires him as their gm.

"I think that's a lot of horse muffins." - Bob Feller

by e-gus on Jan 25, 2010 6:05 PM CST up reply actions  

This is stupid on another level.

I’m no “economist” or even a good “bargain shopper,” but why would you possibly give yourself a public deadline for signing Thome? If you announce you don’t have interest, then don’t you drive Thome’s price down for your competitors? If the Twins do, in fact, sign him, don’t we want them to pay more because they think they have to outbid us? The whole situation has been handled so sillily.

by ExileDC on Jan 25, 2010 4:29 PM CST reply actions  

"It’s a cluster fuck, sir"

"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer

by Tdogg on Jan 25, 2010 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not delusional enough to think I'd actually do better than KW in his place

But it is interesting how organizations (not just the Sox…not just baseball) handle pressure situations in strange ways. Creating artificial deadlines that make things worse seems to be a common practice.

by hitlesswonder on Jan 25, 2010 4:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I have accepted in mind Ozzie doesn't Thome

Its not going to happen.

"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer

by Tdogg on Jan 25, 2010 5:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah me too

I’m hoping that Williams deals for someone during the season that either can DH or forces Konerko to DH and substantially improves the lineup.

I’m not sure I’d even be that happy to see Jones and Kotsay perform well at the start of season — I’d be worried that it would be a mirage that would last long enough to prevent an acquisition but leave them with a hole in the lineup down the stretch.

Anyway, I’m going to try to ignore the issue until Ozzie plays Vizquel at DH.

by hitlesswonder on Jan 25, 2010 5:11 PM CST up reply actions  

As larry previously stated, we are beating a dead horse over vizquel DHing.

"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 25, 2010 5:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

No offense to Larry

But the day he makes out a line up card for Chicago’s American League team is the day I’ll be 100% sure that Vizquel doesn’t DH.

In the meantime the Mad Venezuelan runs the show.

Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death

by Hazymania on Jan 25, 2010 9:03 PM CST up reply actions  

who is Larry?

"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 26, 2010 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I assume the idea is it forces Thome to make a decision with limited information

The deadline forces Thome to accept/reject the Sox offer before he can use it as leverage with other teams. He therefore can’t use other team’s offers as leverage against the Sox.

by joewho112 on Jan 25, 2010 5:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe that's true. But at least the way it's been articulated is not that it's a matter of cost, rather it's a question of interest.

In fact, I think Kenny’s pretty clearly said they’ll pay the money if Ozzie gives the ok. And by signaling that Thome won’t get lots of AB’s, you’re also providing other teams with another incentive, playing time.

by ExileDC on Jan 25, 2010 5:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Jerry Reinsdorf-run teams pride themselves on self-imposed deadlines that have no significance.

Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Jan 25, 2010 5:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Where were YOU when Thome ate Pablo?

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have fifty cents." - Kenny Williams

by Servant2LordBeckham on Jan 25, 2010 5:02 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

And where were YOU when he considered eating Derek Jeter?

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have fifty cents." - Kenny Williams

by Servant2LordBeckham on Jan 25, 2010 5:08 PM CST up reply actions  

SEE!

THOME IS WEARING A GLOVE! SHOW THIS TO OZZIE ASAP!

2010 White Sox - Benching our way to the playoffs.

by blackoutsox on Jan 25, 2010 7:44 PM CST up reply actions  

"GET IN MAH BELLEH!!"

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.

by thatshortkid on Jan 25, 2010 5:24 PM CST up reply actions  

holy crap

the Thomenater

2010 White Sox - Benching our way to the playoffs.

by blackoutsox on Jan 25, 2010 7:43 PM CST up reply actions  

And so I ask....where were YOU?

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have fifty cents." - Kenny Williams

by Servant2LordBeckham on Jan 25, 2010 5:12 PM CST reply actions  

I love the Internet:
20. Posted by Carlo Mon Jan 25, 2010 4:02 pm EST Report Abuse
I love my homie Thome, but I like the team as is with no big lumberjacks running the bases not to mention that he wasn’t very clutch last year.
I remember several situations where a hit would have helped but Thome hits into a shift or flies out.

And:

22. Posted by Thomas Mon Jan 25, 2010 4:49 pm EST Report Abuse
I think Jim Thome should come back to the Palhos [White Sox] Jones is GAY get rid of him and bring back Thome!They should have gotten Vizquel 10 years ago to.GAY dicesion to get rid of Pods.In MY opinion the field defensifly should be C Tyler Flowers,1B Paul Konerko,2B Gordon Beckham,3B Mark Teahan,SS Alexi Ramirez,LF Carlos QuentonCF Alex Rios,and RF Mark Kotsay.DH Jim Thome.With C AJ Pierzienski,C Ramon Castro,SSOmar Vizquel,SS Jayson Nix,andCF Andrew Jones.The 2010 Palhos should win their 5th world series

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/rumors/post/White-Sox-split-on-Jim-Thome-s-return?urn=mlb,215454

Wrigley Field is a postage stamp shithole. It reeks of piss worse than R. Kelly’s underage girlfriend. It’s falling apart faster than Amy Winehouse. Their fans are denial-addled jagoffs of lowest stripe.

by winningugly on Jan 25, 2010 6:59 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Well if he remembers several occasions

Then it must be an accurate reflection of reality. And if you nerds and seamheads disagree, I’ll tell ya just where to stick your calculators and pocket protectors!

White Sox fan; Jeppson's Malort man

by KarkoviceIsHawt on Jan 25, 2010 7:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

cowley says ozzie says no thome.

link

you are certainly one of the more ridiculous people on this board. ~ larry

by BuehrleMan on Jan 25, 2010 7:18 PM CST reply actions  

Is this official? Or just speculation?

I trust nothing coming from the Twins organization.

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have fifty cents." - Kenny Williams

by Servant2LordBeckham on Jan 25, 2010 7:20 PM CST up reply actions  

did you click the link?

it’s also on mlbtr here.

you are certainly one of the more ridiculous people on this board. ~ larry

by BuehrleMan on Jan 25, 2010 7:22 PM CST up reply actions  

No, I guess it's official. All the tweets I'm reading say it's done with...

This sucks…

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have fifty cents." - Kenny Williams

by Servant2LordBeckham on Jan 25, 2010 7:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Scott Merkin Tweets:

“Guillen’s ultimate decision to pass on Thome centers on not being able to get him enough at-bats”

“Guillen not worried about going with 11 pitchers instead of 12. It all came down to respect for Thome and not being able to get him at-bats”

“Ozzie: “The toughest conversation is when you release someone. We no release Jim. We just don’t have him back.” "

“Ozzie on Thome’s reaction: “We understand each other and hopefully we do what’s best for both parties.” "

I like that Ozzie acts like he’s not in control of the lineup and how many at-bats Thome gets.

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have fifty cents." - Kenny Williams

by Servant2LordBeckham on Jan 25, 2010 7:28 PM CST up reply actions  

This is GAY.

Glad Jim is respected. Imagine if he wasn’t. Maybe we could sign him.

Wrigley Field is a postage stamp shithole. It reeks of piss worse than R. Kelly’s underage girlfriend. It’s falling apart faster than Amy Winehouse. Their fans are denial-addled jagoffs of lowest stripe.

by winningugly on Jan 25, 2010 7:48 PM CST up reply actions  

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