Thome Makes Entire White Sox Organization Look Like Fools, Signs With Twins for Pennies
150M Pennies
Unlike yesterday, when the words just flowed from my fingers to the screen, I don't even want to talk about this. It's just so obviously wrong and stupid that it should cost everyone involved in the decision making process their jobs. Sox Machine points out the ridiculousness of the situation, both in playing time implications and contract terms.
The only way the Williams/Guillen team avoids rabid fans calling for their head -- the ones that aren't already -- is if the pitching staff they've built carries them easily to the post-season. Anything less than an easy walk to the playoffs shows that the two were more concerned with building a team their way than exploiting what might be the best free-agent value on the entire market.
It's a bit scary to think what would happen if the Sox did magically march into the playoffs? Would pitchers be batting next year so Ozzie can go to a 14 man pitching staff with a two-strike specialist? The hubris would be unfathomable.
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First of all, nice writing recently, Cheat.
Secondly. It was SoxFest weekend, and they waited till after the event to announce this- I cannot imagine the firestorm if this had happened on Friday.
Metal detectors would have been installed at the event, and that still would not have deterred the suicide bombers.
Drunk Tank Mace
by DrEmilioLizardo on Jan 27, 2010 12:13 AM CST reply actions
I was just thinking that and was going to post the same thing Doc.
Also Ozzie waited till he got the fuck out of town.
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
according to Cowley, he has a history of that
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
OC waiting until Cowley leaves town?
"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT
by Black Sox Baseball on Jan 27, 2010 9:02 AM CST up reply actions
I never thought I would have so many items tagged "dh is a position"
after wearing out the “leadoff is not a position” tag the last few seasons
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Couldn't it also be the (even uglier) case
that this was more about KW misunderestimating Jim’s market value? The way I read this, Kenny assumed he would be unaffordable going into the offseason, so he went out and got the three-headed DH, only to discover that Jim was still on the market too late three months later.
considering how much Kotsay and Vizquel are being paid, I wouldn't be surprised.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 27, 2010 1:52 AM CST up reply actions
Look no further than his history of these marginal players and what he pays them
"ass hole thi is the same line up whit leftys you idiot"
sure
But you don’t go out looking for Moe Larry and curly until you explore all other options
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by The Cheat on Jan 27, 2010 1:52 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Shemp??? Or worse even, Curly Joe????
/shudders
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
if that's the case, KW should probably be fired for being incompetent.
maybe he didn’t think it would be $1.5M. but if he thought thome would be unaffordable, he hasn’t been paying attention.
Well written, as was the last one
And I’m sure another explosion of arguments will commence below this so everyone have fun. I myself am conflicted between being severely bummed out about watching my favorite Sox go to the worst team imaginable for bus money and wondering why I give this much shit about this shit, so I’m gonna close my eyes and hibernate til there are games about which to thread*.
*Does not count as asking for gamethread
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When did Kenny W become Ozzie's mandroid?
If (when) this fiasco explodes in the Sox’s collective faces, who gets the axe? The fool, or the fool who followed him?
Welcome to the Glibert Arenas Gun Show.
This is a great day in history.
people are finally crossing the line over to my side. Ozzie has pulled a bunch of BS over the years but this may be the all time worst. It didn’t have to be Thome. If they signed…lets just say Matsui… very few would care that Thome went to the Twins other than the damn they got our guy thing…. however, the Sox have nobody at DH… and knowing full well that Thome was on the move to Minneapolis ( i heard a report on friday before soxfest they were in negotiations)…. and plenty of fans calling for a Thome return at soxfest…. they decided “fuck it” and let the best option for our lineup sign in Minnesota, our closest rivals. This is inexcusable. If the twins win the division the decks should be cleared. Our pitching rotation can compete in October. Its a shame we didn’t surround it with a good offense.
Kenwo4life=ratings
OFF WITH HIS HEAD!
How goes the newborning? I have 177 days (if you believe the doctor) till my bundle of future white sox fan makes his/her debut.
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
shes doing well.
sleeps, shits and spits up a lot like most 3 day olds….. My son is an MVP candidate though. He’s super excited and does what he can to help out…. (which isn’t much but the gesture is nice).
Kenwo4life=ratings
you need to fast-track his development.
perhaps you should consider drafting more advanced children with higher upsides.
shawn's projecting to be a pitcher
he throws heat for his age…. the stick hasn’t come around like i thought it would. he’s got time to grow but the window is closing. after all he’s 2 and 4 months.
Kenwo4life=ratings
i presume you forced him to be left handed?
WordUpThome: WILL I BE REQUIRED TO PLAY INSIDE OF THE TRASH BAGS OR SIMPLY AMONGST THEM
You should have lopped off the right hand
and had him watch tapes of Jim Abbott pitching
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Jan 27, 2010 10:31 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Got to get him on the juice
My son is only a few months older and he already has LaRussa scouting him
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Jan 27, 2010 10:21 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
An already better-than-ours Twins lineup gets better.
ZiPS projects five (!) Twins players to have OPS+’ above 110. Compare that to what — two for the Sox, maybe three?
And the Sox can shut us all the fuck up by going and grabbing Russell Branyan or Johnny Damon, but at this point I’m done hoping. I’ve had faith all winter that the Sox would eventually come to their senses and bring back Thome, thinking that the “rotating DH” was just usual Ozzie bloviating about wanting more speed and whatever other non-sense he spews. Moves like this and trading Swisher for a pile of turd shout of a serious problem with how this organization is functioning.
And I don’t think I’m being too hyperbolic there. I think it’s fair to conclude that although the organization does a lot right (the most recent examples being the big in-season pick-ups of Peavy and Rios), there are still glaring weak spots.
This, but with one great unknown:
Nobody knows how the Twins new park will play. Is it 50-50 that 5 guys continue to OPS+ 110?
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
by Chiburb on Jan 27, 2010 4:19 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
they'll be able to stay healthier i bet
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
Up before the sun? Let alone noon?
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
by Chiburb on Jan 27, 2010 6:05 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
c'mon old man!
you know he was still up.
WordUpThome: WILL I BE REQUIRED TO PLAY INSIDE OF THE TRASH BAGS OR SIMPLY AMONGST THEM
Based upon what metric?
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
I think he means long term. No fake turf.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
by Chiburb on Jan 27, 2010 7:44 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
2010 projections based upon turf not yet played upon
seems specious to me.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
Morneau just got over injury
Hopefully he doesn’t come back superhuman like Mauer did when he returned from injury
"It is obvious the Patriots souls are on lease - any day now Satan will rise up to New England - kick Tom Brady, Kevin Garnett, and David Ortiz in their luck filled testicles - and turn that area into his personal vacation home here on earth.-Rzayo 24, week one.
"Everybody in that room should be embarrassed. If they’re not embarrassed, they got the wrong job or they’re stealing money from baseball."-Ozzie Guillen 8/28/09
Yes, the + hadn't registered fully pre-coffee.
Thx.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
still, though, tough to adjust when you don't know what the park effects are yet.
but their adjusted lines, whatever they are, should remain essentially unchanged (at least w/r/t the park stuff).
Maybe the Sox are planning to unretire #3
And have Harold Baines DH this year. He has positional flexibility as the starting 1B coach. Maybe Greg Walker can hit and be the hitting coach at the same time?
Shit man
I thought Frank was coming back!
"It is obvious the Patriots souls are on lease - any day now Satan will rise up to New England - kick Tom Brady, Kevin Garnett, and David Ortiz in their luck filled testicles - and turn that area into his personal vacation home here on earth.-Rzayo 24, week one.
"Everybody in that room should be embarrassed. If they’re not embarrassed, they got the wrong job or they’re stealing money from baseball."-Ozzie Guillen 8/28/09
Unleash Harold Douglas Baines, the Patron Saint of DH's!
But as I have said many a time, isn’t Harold the answer to everything?
All Hail St. Harold, Patron Saint of Designated Hitters!
Yep, 9-0 baby!
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
by Chiburb on Jan 27, 2010 6:06 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm out of the prediction business
But here’s what we know:
Kenny and Reinsdorf both wanted Thome to come back.
Reinsdorf allowed Ozzie to go ahead with the rotating DH plan, with the knowledge that he has to wear it.
JR opened the wallet for Peavy and Rios. He’s paying for a team that should into October, and he’s going to lean on Kenny to do something if it looks like that opportunity will slip away.
Hopefully the rotating DH plan is on a short leash, and somone pulls the plug at the first sign of trouble.
that would be best case scenario
Unless of course we sign Damon, which I don’t think is very likely. The fact that we are paying kotsay the same the twins are paying thome however, is mind boggling.
by Akronsoxfan on Jan 27, 2010 6:32 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Taking a look at the schedule...
The White Sox should be able to rocket out of the gate – if the lineup as constructed plays up to its potential.
3 at home with Cleveland, 3 at home with Minnesota, 4 at a rebuilding Toronto, 3 in Cleveland.
Then it gets tougher with Tampa Bay and Seattle coming to town. They close out the month with trips to Texas and New York.
That was when we were a station to station team Kenwo
Everythings changed now. Got rid of Thome & JD, nobody clogging our bases anymore, we’re unstoppable. Speed and flexibility are made for the turf.
Fuck, I hate the 2010 White Sox already.
by Grinder in Training on Jan 27, 2010 10:20 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
But if it is a short leash...
What is plan B? We have to make a trade? So now we’re going to give away a prospect for a DH when one that fits our lineup perfectly could be had for 1.5 million on the open market? All the legitimate DH’s will be gone by the time the plug is pulled. Even if it is week one of the season, we’re screwed. How many teams are giving up a decent DH early in the season for something less then a good prospect? Not to mention, who ever it is we add at that point, their salary is sure to be more then 1.5 million if they are worth a damn. They have to stick with it now. Unless Tyler Flowers hits out of his mind and takes the job we are fucked. There is no way to look around it.
Worse.. what if it works and Jones doesn’t suck? Then we’re stuck with this bullshit, rotating DH for the next 5 years.
by Grinder in Training on Jan 27, 2010 8:37 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think folks are up in arms about a rotating DH
They should just be good players.
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
by Tdogg on Jan 27, 2010 9:05 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
This.
THIS!!!
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
Well yes
I just meant rotating of these kind of DH’s. I mentioned in the other thread the rotating DH of the Tigers was fine. Rotating Maggs, Guillen and Cabrera is obviously much better.
by Grinder in Training on Jan 27, 2010 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
dah dah!
"there's just not enough at bats. ___ is a veteran. and he must be respected." ~larry, 1/26/10
by homesickalien on Jan 27, 2010 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
Not sure if this analysis has already been done (haven't been on as much as I would like)
But, what is the combined record of AL teams vs. the National League since interleague play started?
That being said, what is the same record for the home teams?
My point being, that I am pretty sure that the AL record at home vs. NL teams is in my estimation, pretty stellar. As NL teams probably have a higher than .500 clip against AL teams when playing home; I am pretty sure it isn’t close to that of AL home teams.
The thought behind this is that AL teams employ a full-time DH (in most cases) – therefore are carrying an extra full time bat. NL teams of course have an extra bench player or bullpen arm. Thus, the advantage of playing in the AL is the DH. When you change your philosophy to have a rotating DH (basically using bench players in some capacity that shouldn’t be starting) like an NL team in interleague play, you are just not playing to your advantage. Thus coaching like a fool.
Hopefully the numbers back this up, if not, piss up a rope.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
Another thought on Damon
AJ and Johnny Damon are friends. Or, at the very least, are friendly.
They went to the same high school, they are neighbors in Florida, go on vacation together, etc.
Yeah, he’s a Boras client. But so is Andruw Jones.
thing with Boras is he always has an angle.
If by some act of god Jones is actually in great shape and could manage to have a good year, I don’t see Boras advising another one of his clients to come take pa’s away from him. Although, one could argue Damon would be better suited to set himself up for a future contract a la Abreu.
by Akronsoxfan on Jan 27, 2010 7:32 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
The Sox brass see the same numbers
I’m an optimist, so I hope this would force the front office to slap Ozzie down and field a team that will actually hit the ball.
What would the Sox do with Damon?
Lead off and DH? The second coming of ScottyPodz?
Packers done...now 3 months of sports hell.
Why not? And he can still play LF. If the Sox think Juan Pierre is going to get it done, Damon isn't going to kill them defensively.
So he has more value than a guy like Branyan.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 27, 2010 8:54 AM CST up reply actions
I wouldnt be opposed to it,
but it gives the Sox a plethora of “ehh” Outfielders.
Packers done...now 3 months of sports hell.
I think Damon makes the Sox better
He also is a good plan B if…
Pierre doesn’t work well at lead off
The two headed monster don’t do what they’re supposed too
"It is obvious the Patriots souls are on lease - any day now Satan will rise up to New England - kick Tom Brady, Kevin Garnett, and David Ortiz in their luck filled testicles - and turn that area into his personal vacation home here on earth.-Rzayo 24, week one.
"Everybody in that room should be embarrassed. If they’re not embarrassed, they got the wrong job or they’re stealing money from baseball."-Ozzie Guillen 8/28/09
Easy way for KW to make this right...........two choices.
Damon or Branyan make this thing go away?
Have not seen any rumors with Branyan to any team………but it to hit 21 HRs against RHP in 267 abs playing in a pitcher’s park in a pitcher friendly division (other than Texas) seems like that makes him a good bet to hit a few long balls on the south side.
texas was 4th in the AL in ERA+
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He’s dogshit."
by NYRoyal on Jan 8, 2010 8:56 AM PST
The Sox do not have the cash for Damon,
and Branyon is just a small step up from Andrew Jones.
Packers done...now 3 months of sports hell.
Did they not say the cash would be there for a move if it significantly improved the team?
Sox brass must be caught up on what constitutes “significant”
Jerry wants to save his cash for the upcoming Bulls offseason.
Packers done...now 3 months of sports hell.
No I didnt thats kinda cool,
I do remember that Adam Dunn began with the Rockford Cubbies.
Packers done...now 3 months of sports hell.
That was actually with the Reds
But close enough…
speaking of minor league sports, I just saw the Hogs get smoked by Montreal’s Squad.
If the Sox win...
It makes it go away!
"It is obvious the Patriots souls are on lease - any day now Satan will rise up to New England - kick Tom Brady, Kevin Garnett, and David Ortiz in their luck filled testicles - and turn that area into his personal vacation home here on earth.-Rzayo 24, week one.
"Everybody in that room should be embarrassed. If they’re not embarrassed, they got the wrong job or they’re stealing money from baseball."-Ozzie Guillen 8/28/09
I think Thome may hurt the Twins more than help them
He is going to be a year older and his production is going to drop (maybe a lot, maybe a little). The bigger thing is what are the Twins going to do with Kubel. Either Jim is taking at-bats away from him or Kubs is going to be playing the field which I would think is not a good thing.
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Jan 27, 2010 8:20 AM CST via mobile reply actions
well
thome has a slugging % around .380 and an OPS around .725 in 102 career PA’s as a pinch hitter. i could definitely see him having a struggle if he doesn’t get enough AB’s.
still rather have him on the white sox though.
you are certainly one of the more ridiculous people on this board. ~ larry
If Kubel is playing the field in place of Young
UZR says it’s prolly a net gain. Young is also bad in the field, but Kubel is much better at the plate
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Side note: What that glowing orb rising in the east?
That’s right – it’s the Sun bitches!!
Who rules?
Scotty rules!!!
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Jan 27, 2010 8:23 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Wouldn't "Sun bitches" imply more than one orb rising?
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
I apologize Chi
I didn’t realize that I was on the Chicago chapter of LL
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Jan 27, 2010 8:30 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Self whoosh
just got the orb comment, I was focused on my missing comma
I was going to put “What’s that thing rising in the east?”
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Jan 27, 2010 9:00 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I see Paulie being the main DH
While Jones fills in when Kotsay needs a day off, or when Q!/Rios need a day he can fill in while Q!/Rios fills in at DH.
I think Ozzie is right by saying that Thome wouldn’t get that many at-bats this upcoming season with the philosophy Ozzie has came up with. Do I agree with that philosophy? Not completely, but I do see where he is coming from.
I don’t see Thome playing a whole lot in Minnesota. They have Kubel who can play in the field, but really shouldn’t, and the idea of Thome playing first is comical.
Thome will never play first in Minnesota
How many times did Jim play first in Chicago?
And of course if I am right I will let everyone know about it over and over
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Jan 27, 2010 8:37 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
He'll play 18 times.... guess which ones.
"there's just not enough at bats. ___ is a veteran. and he must be respected." ~larry, 1/26/10
by homesickalien on Jan 27, 2010 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
LOL!!!!!
"It is obvious the Patriots souls are on lease - any day now Satan will rise up to New England - kick Tom Brady, Kevin Garnett, and David Ortiz in their luck filled testicles - and turn that area into his personal vacation home here on earth.-Rzayo 24, week one.
"Everybody in that room should be embarrassed. If they’re not embarrassed, they got the wrong job or they’re stealing money from baseball."-Ozzie Guillen 8/28/09
heh!
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Jan 27, 2010 10:33 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
He had to stop - mis-placed his glove somewhere
"ass hole thi is the same line up whit leftys you idiot"
Nothwithstanding the clear superiority of JT as the DH
it’s not crazy to anticipate that Q! could miss a “few” games and that Jones will spend the year in a deep vortex of suck. My stomach hurts..
btw, I was off the grid for a couple days so I didn’t get to post my Thome haiku, so just for the record
Kotsay, Jones, Vizquel?
cut the shit Oz, we want our
Gentleman Masher
..sniffs..
by gar ridge pride on Jan 27, 2010 8:40 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I like it.
"there's just not enough at bats. ___ is a veteran. and he must be respected." ~larry, 1/26/10
by homesickalien on Jan 27, 2010 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
Kotsay is still in your lineup if he plays first or dh's so that doesn't matter
and defense is one of Konerko’s strongest points in my opinion…. why move him from there?
Kenwo4life=ratings
Isn't the main point
that we only want to see Kotsay as a LH PH off the bench or to spell Paulie and 1B or Q in RF once in awhile?
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game in 2008. Thanks John Danks and Jim Thome.
by NorthSidePaulie on Jan 27, 2010 5:09 PM CST up reply actions
THANK YOU
this is much of what i would have wanted to say in yesterday’s ham and jam of a thread but i got caught up in trying to dispute silly little matters like how many games carl everett played in center field in 2005.
this situation is all wrong. it doesn’t matter if you’re using your brain, heart, gut, mind, eyes or ass. it doesn’t matter if the sox make the playoffs. it doesn’t matter if thome has a poor season or if he gets injured. it’s still wrong. apparently some people do not understand that a team that has a designated hitter position open should try to fill that position with a good hitter. if some people just don’t want thome, but still want to get a DH, fine. it seems to me he was the best candidate for the job, but whatever. to think that the sox will do just as well with what they have as they would with a real DH is foolish.
hey cheat, don’t blame thome for making the sox look like fools. ozzie (and kenny) pretty much have that covered.
you are certainly one of the more ridiculous people on this board. ~ larry
Would it make sense for Thome to be a part-time DH?
Cause that’s what Ozzie made clear when he was see-sawing on bringing Jim back or not. I agree that Thome is better than anyone the sox currently have as a DH candidate but is it all that productive to have Jim in as DH half to a third of the games?
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Jan 27, 2010 8:48 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
that's why i blame ozzie.
if you and i agree that thome would be the best person to DH, and let’s just say that for some crazy reason in some fantasy world the sox actually signed thome and then ozzie didn’t use him as the primary designated hitter, well then no, that would not make sense.
you are certainly one of the more ridiculous people on this board. ~ larry
Just noticed the caption
A+
Laugh now, cry in June.
by Sox-35th on Jan 27, 2010 8:44 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
not on 670 The Score,
“Why can’t the Bears hire a coordinator?”
Packers done...now 3 months of sports hell.
Ah, I refuse to listen to the local stuff here in Ohio
and all the Browns/Cavs bullshit, so I stick to the national stuff.
More like Stephen A. and Dan Patrick, the lesser of the three evils.
Mike and Mike make me cringe.
I will see your Browns/Cavs bullshit...
… and raise you 24/7/365 Steelers fucktards.
by ReservoirDog on Jan 27, 2010 5:43 PM CST up reply actions
i will call with lakers/trojans douchenozzles.
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Jan 27, 2010 6:27 PM CST up reply actions
Well actually
the kid I was driving wanted to listen to XM’s hip hop station all day, and since she was doing what she needed to be doing to get better she got her wish…
Thankfully I love hip hop, but by the end of it I was going a little nuts
Hip hop fun:
Listening to “Tennessee” by Arrested Development this AM taking the kid to school. I looked behind me to the back seat and I see her doing the arm circle thing. Laughed my keister off.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
by winningugly on Jan 28, 2010 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
You are a brilliant man.
That’s the one.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
It won't be long until Kenny lets loose on "the bloggers."
He will look all the more foolish for doing so because the copy you’re churning out, the arguments you’re constructing, are air fucking tight. Keep up the good work.
I doubt it.
His argument will be, that he’s giving Ozzie what he thinks he can win with in this situation. He’s wrong to do this but I said from the beginning if Ozzie is throwing a hissy fit that this is what he really needs, it doesn’t really shock me that KW gave him this chance. I just expect a really short lease and wouldn’t be surprised at all if he was working on something “bigger”
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
Kenny's dumb if that's the case
He is the GM and should be making the decisions on personnel, not Ozzie. This seems to be a similar situation as the Lovie/Angelo dynamic after the Superbowl. Lovie wants Archuletta and gets rid of Rivera. Angelo goes along with it. We have seen how that turned out
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Jan 27, 2010 9:23 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
KW is not dumb.
I’m not sure what the deal is, unless he would like Ozzie gone and realizes Ozzie needs to hang himself before JR will let him move on, or force him to move on.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
I'm going with that - especially based on a comment JR made not to long ago
"ass hole thi is the same line up whit leftys you idiot"
No its not.
Come on. The White Sox did something that has not been accomplished in eons for real. The manager has built up quite a bit of good will. You may not like it but thems the facts.
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
Then why is Kenny letting Ozzie take all the heat on this?
Why isn’t it Kenny telling the media and fans about the decision making on Thome? He is hanging Ozzie out to dry which says to me that he isn’t on board with this
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Jan 27, 2010 9:37 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Which says to me - "this is Ozzie's deal, I have no part in this"
Even if the Sox came out with a generic “we made a decision to go in another direction” it would be better than this.
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Jan 27, 2010 9:55 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Well I don't disagree at all they would have been better off saying something like that
but Ozzie has convinced half the fan base that he’s right anyway.
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
That half of the fan base
Also thinks Ozzie ball exists and fire and passion get you wins.
by Grinder in Training on Jan 27, 2010 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
Im confused
I really do believe Kenny would like another bat. That said I don’t think its totally unreasonable to think that if your WS manager is pleading for something a certain way he gives him a go at it. I’m NOT saying that is the best business practice but if you take a step back and look that’s what is going on.
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
That's fine but it is Kenny's job to give Ozzie those players that will make it sucessful
Ozzie stated that he was happy with the roster as is. I realize that Kenny can still make a move before the season starts but if he doesn’t then I will say that Kenny is dumb for this. It doesn’t mean that that this season is lost but IMO it is the wrong way to build the team
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Jan 27, 2010 10:14 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
presumably because Ozzie is so popular
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
Who can predict KW's behavior?
But he’s taking a lot of heat for this non-deal. No one who writes about baseball agrees with the non-signing. The only one who seems to think it was a good idea to pass on Thome at such a low price is Ozzie. Who knows whether Ozzie has been throwing tantrums? But, strictly speaking, in pressing his case for a “rotating DH” he wasn’t asking for anything. He was asking not to have something. And he was asking not to have something that everyone but him thinks it’s better to have.
The Sky is falling
I loved last year seeing 3 back to back singles and it resulting in bases loaded since Thome , Konerko, and Dye were only station to station base runing. Even better was watching a strikeout and then a double play and now we did not even score a damn run with bases loaded with no outs.
I love the idea of a 40yr old with declining numbers, heel and back injury concerns, runs as fast as my car neutral, and can’t beat a shift.
Hell maybe we should just bring back Dye now we lost out on Thome!
But maybe I am wrong and Thome found a time machine back to like 2006 and nobody told me. OH they don’t exist and I am still excited to see a team that will still produce 200+ homeruns and will now also generate more scoring than dieing on the long ball.
When do we get to move on?
It’s been said. Tell me who will hit better with RISP this year than last. Whose addition has improved us more than Thome’s numbers from last year, minus his projected regression? If you say Andruw Jones, punch yourselves in the nuts for 3 hours.
Thome was cheap insurance for Jones playing like he’s worth $500K and Kotsay not playing like he’s worth $1.5MM.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
Reply fail.
Should be to Nefarien (aptly named).
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
(You did whoosh me.)
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
Well said!~
"It is obvious the Patriots souls are on lease - any day now Satan will rise up to New England - kick Tom Brady, Kevin Garnett, and David Ortiz in their luck filled testicles - and turn that area into his personal vacation home here on earth.-Rzayo 24, week one.
"Everybody in that room should be embarrassed. If they’re not embarrassed, they got the wrong job or they’re stealing money from baseball."-Ozzie Guillen 8/28/09
Thome is not the issue
I liked Jim Thome, and wish him all the luck in the world.
Maybe Andruw Jones can truffle shuffle someone to death.
by 67WMAQ on Jan 27, 2010 9:22 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Lutz! Truffle Shuffle!
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
Nefarien
I won’t blast you. This whole give and take over the last 3 days makes my stomach hurt. Instead lets do this. You say the team as currently constructed scores more runs (maybe) and stll produces 200+ hrs (doubt it.) Lay it out for me. Semi prove it with what you expect. Take your time.
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
Laying it out for him.
The Sox hit 184 homers last year.
Those Sox had Jermaine Dye (27 homers). They’re replacing him with Juan Pierre (zero homers).
They had Jim Thome (23 homers). They’re replacing him with three-headed DH (22 homers).
Gordon Beckham makes up a few of those with a full season. Alex Rios has averaged 15 a year. Teahen less. AJ and Konerko are a year older.
So… where are those 30 or so homers coming from?
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
QQQQQQQ!
He hits 50+ this year. Paulie hits 40.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
Quentin's best projection is 30 hr
I think he had 21 last year. He’d need 50 hr to cover the gap, which I don’t see happening, even if he’s healthy the whole year.
by paul_ on Jan 27, 2010 2:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Quentins best projection is 40
which is what he’ll get if he his healthy the whole year, which of course he wont be
RIP Jim Thome 1-25-2010
an AL team not having a DH is like a giraffe fucking a mule. - larry
shoulda kept going with the foghorn leghorn
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
Homeruns are so boring
Dats why they haz to set off fireworkz to wake the crowd from watching player trot lazily around the bases
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Jan 27, 2010 9:32 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
so you're opposed to a cheap, good, left handed power bat?
to either backup DH or pinch hit? be an amazing clubhouse guy? i mean jesus h christ
:(

Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 27, 2010 9:25 AM CST up reply actions
common hasnt made a good song since he dropped the sense.
WordUpThome: WILL I BE REQUIRED TO PLAY INSIDE OF THE TRASH BAGS OR SIMPLY AMONGST THEM
i guess thome leading the sox in OPS last year didn't do much for you.
you are certainly one of the more ridiculous people on this board. ~ larry
you know what i can't wait for?
i can’t wait until thome is standing on second base (most likely he’s on second base because he just hit a bases clearing double off the center field wall, but never mind that) and then punto grounds a single up the middle and thome only makes it to third base. that will be fucking hilarious. haha minnesota. suckers.
sob.
you are certainly one of the more ridiculous people on this board. ~ larry
at least thome, dye and konerko were on base
we’ll be lucky to load the bases 5 times this year.
Kenwo4life=ratings
Yes, but at least there will be a lot of bunting going on.
"there's just not enough at bats. ___ is a veteran. and he must be respected." ~larry, 1/26/10
by homesickalien on Jan 27, 2010 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
Hi
ESPN needs comments for all their stories, it’s better for you over there. As an added bonus, ad hominems are not only allowed, they are used to definitively settle arguments except when duels are required. And, abbreviations are not allowed, so you will never have to see OPS or ERA+ or any of those other confusing terms that hang you up.
by Gentleman Jim on Jan 27, 2010 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
Thome situation
has worn me out. I even thought for 2minutes yesterday that Pods was the 05 CF and not Rowand.
This is just beyond stupid and the quote from Gardenhire about Thome and getting him ABs sums it up why the Twins win – they have common sense.
Now I read that the Twins are going after Ohud which is who the Sox should get. Really the Sox should just get a legitimate major leaguer – Ohud, delgado, winn??? I don’t know or care who but any of those players are an upgrade over kotsay/jones platoon.
Just think of how great fireworks nights will be this year!
Now that they’ll have all those extras each week, it’ll be great. Or maybe they’ll accidentally shoot them off when Thome launches another impossibly majestic homer to CF.

by jimmyjr on Jan 27, 2010 9:58 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Nicely done!
"It is obvious the Patriots souls are on lease - any day now Satan will rise up to New England - kick Tom Brady, Kevin Garnett, and David Ortiz in their luck filled testicles - and turn that area into his personal vacation home here on earth.-Rzayo 24, week one.
"Everybody in that room should be embarrassed. If they’re not embarrassed, they got the wrong job or they’re stealing money from baseball."-Ozzie Guillen 8/28/09
If the Twins do sign Hudson, they are the clear favorite to win the division
They probably are already.
You know it’s bad when acquiring Juan Pierre isn’t the worst move of the offseason.
Really hadn't considered that until just now
Good point. Sigh.
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
they haven't increased payroll by about $25M just because they have a new stadium.
sure, they have players getting paid more now (including mauer) simply because of the service time cycle etc. but i doubt they’d be hanging on to all those guys AND acquiring new players if they didn’t see this as a prime opportunity to compete. and, with the players they have, they’re certainly correct. mauer, morneau, kubel, young pitching, nathan – they’re primed for a run. and mauer is certainly the biggest piece of that.
the twins are competitive at half our salary level.
on equal terms, you can forget about it.
Piranha-lover.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
by winningugly on Jan 27, 2010 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
aha
thats it! thats what the Sox are up to. they save that 1.5 million now, so they can have more moneys to steal away Mauer next season. Its all so clear now! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHahahahhaAHaHaHa?HaHahaHaHHA
WordUpThome: WILL I BE REQUIRED TO PLAY INSIDE OF THE TRASH BAGS OR SIMPLY AMONGST THEM
by e-gus on Jan 27, 2010 10:53 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I really hope he is
Otherwise the Red Sox are unstoppable.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 28, 2010 7:01 PM CST up reply actions
The Sky is Falling
Oh the Horror!
What are you going to write when a month and half into the season Thome’s on the DL?
Understand I believe Jim Thome’s a great guy and an asset as an example for the younger team members, but I don’t beleive he will hold up for a whole season regardless of how well conditioned and prepared he is.
I’d rather see the Sox resign Harold Baines. LOL – just kidding.
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
Finally, somebody with some sense
Good point phastphil, we should worry about injuries here. After all, taking Thome for a halfseason and then starting Jones for the other half would mean that neither of these respected veterans are able to get enough at-bats. If Jones starts the whole season, he will likely be on base more than Thome in a halfseason.
by Gentleman Jim on Jan 27, 2010 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
Kotsay's been on the DL more times than Thome in recent years.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Jan 27, 2010 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah and He's old too.
I’d rather see a youth movement, but what are you going to do?
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
Take the better old player for the same amount of money.
And get to the youth movement when your young players are ready for the big leagues.
by Grinder in Training on Jan 27, 2010 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
and
Vizquel has been older than Thome in recent years,
and Jones has been fatter.
The Vizquel/Jones/Kotsay trio isn’t a good enough solution to ignore the need for a DH on this team. Thome may not be a great DH solution, but I hate the reason they are feeding us. They’re dismissing the idea of adding a DH so Vizquel/Jones/Kotsay get more AB’s.
I see Q as our DH, Jones in RF, Kotsay and Vizquel play on Sundays and another random day of the week. It could work. I think Kenny f’d up and signed 3 has beens, when we only needed 2 (and a real DH).
by Mitch. on Jan 27, 2010 11:08 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Who will be on the DL first?
Thome or Kotsay?
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Jan 27, 2010 10:44 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
i'll write the same thing as i wrote above.
it doesn’t matter. not signing thome was wrong.
you are certainly one of the more ridiculous people on this board. ~ larry
god you are fucking stupid
RIP Jim Thome 1-25-2010
an AL team not having a DH is like a giraffe fucking a mule. - larry
by blackoutsox on Jan 27, 2010 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
thank you!
How in the fuck does this make the Sox look like fools Cheat? The loss of Thome is not gonna kill us. Step away from the ledge.
by astralpanda on Jan 27, 2010 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
I hope you drown in front of your children
RIP Jim Thome 1-25-2010
an AL team not having a DH is like a giraffe fucking a mule. - larry
i believe i have figured it out.
see, the sox have engaged in treacherous psychological warfare, dangling thome in front of minnesota’s collective face, knowing they would pick him up and thereby bedazzling them into not signing the guy the sox are really afraid of, noted sox killer robb quinlan.
The Twins’ signing Tuesday of slugger Jim Thome probably meant a lost opportunity for St. Paul’s Robb Quinlan, the former Gopher who is expected to sign with the Los Angeles Dodgers.
we win!
you are certainly one of the more ridiculous people on this board. ~ larry
by BuehrleMan on Jan 27, 2010 10:44 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Thanks Kenny!!!!
"It is obvious the Patriots souls are on lease - any day now Satan will rise up to New England - kick Tom Brady, Kevin Garnett, and David Ortiz in their luck filled testicles - and turn that area into his personal vacation home here on earth.-Rzayo 24, week one.
"Everybody in that room should be embarrassed. If they’re not embarrassed, they got the wrong job or they’re stealing money from baseball."-Ozzie Guillen 8/28/09
except quinlan the lefty killer didnt even hit them very well last year.
WordUpThome: WILL I BE REQUIRED TO PLAY INSIDE OF THE TRASH BAGS OR SIMPLY AMONGST THEM
After reading all of these comments...
Forget the Twins, how do the White Sox stack up with Texas, Boston, Tampa Bay, Seattle, and Los Angeles for the Wild Card?
Boston, Tampa, Seattle and LA
are all like 2-4 wins better, iirc
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
Everyone is missing the point of this - its economics
Home runs are expensive – by getting rid of Dye and Thome they’ve eliminated the expense of not only 2 salaries, but setting off about 50+ sets of fireworks during the season. That can add up to a large savings over several years. Unless Q messes up their calculation by stayong healthy and hitting again.
"ass hole thi is the same line up whit leftys you idiot"
sheesh, everybody's going green these days.
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Jan 27, 2010 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
I love that song

Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game in 2008. Thanks John Danks and Jim Thome.
by NorthSidePaulie on Jan 27, 2010 5:25 PM CST up reply actions
Everyone is trying to save money.
Has little to do with going “green”. Except “folding money” green.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
Has anyone told Paulie yet...
…that he needs to hit 120 dingers this year?
Didn’t someone around here, long ago, state that singles and doubles were more meaningful than home runs? Well then, bon appetit! 2010 is definitely your year!
"One more game and then we can blow this son of a b@#$* up!" - Hawk Harrelson on his thoughts regarding the Metrodome
Someone please hold Paulie still while Canseco injects the him
"ass hole thi is the same line up whit leftys you idiot"
JRE. And Rhubarb.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
JRE didn't say singles were more valuable, IIRC
He just preferred them aesthetically to homers. Liked motion on the field rather than everybody watching one guy trot slowly.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
Ah, my quoting tailgater's "meaningful" is not the same as your interpretation of "valuable"
WTF, News Guy. “Meaningful” is subject to my interpretation – aestethics are “meaningful” to some. “Valuable” is also subject to interpretation, but that wasn’t the quote.
Some day you’ll make a good reporter. Hang in there.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
dils?
you have offended my family and you have offended the shaolin temple.
by Toonderstrook on Jan 27, 2010 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
From a shot I took from Jimmer last night.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
you take a lot of Jimmer shots?
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
This just sucks!
I was all excited a couple months ago when names like Figgins, Beltre, Damon, etc where being thrown around as possible additions to the Sox this year. All we got was Teehan, Jones, Pierre, Vizquel and a swift kick in the nuts.
EVERY ONE IS CRYING.. FOR WHAT?
all of us sox fans do not have to think about the same things.. come on stop the bullshit crying over thome … I loved when he hit homers and his good spirit in the clubhouse but come on people… He is almost well done if not there.. look .. 35% of his at bats were strike outs last year, getting higher every year if you look,, cannot run at all… cannot even play a position no longer, turtle like speed when contact was made , i was upset too, but jeseus christ, he is not even close to what he was even 5 years ago… we’ll be fine ,get over it .. if it was not for his bad back then his sore heel which kept him from even helping the dodgers much, Big Jim is close to well done, we will fin d help if we even need it.. everyone was bitching when we have turtles running , now it is time to move on.. if we really will need help, we will get it..
this vortex of stupid is very strong
must… resist…. temptation
RIP Jim Thome 1-25-2010
an AL team not having a DH is like a giraffe fucking a mule. - larry
the technical term is "ouchy hee"
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Jan 28, 2010 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
I know I prefer my DHs to be somewhere between medium rare and medium. Slightly hot pink center.
But if you prefer yours well done, kudos.
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
we may not have to think about the same things, but we should think at least a little bit. especially before tossing a dh on the barbie.
he better hope i don't get his aim, bro.
by Toonderstrook on Jan 28, 2010 6:19 PM CST up reply actions
Too late to the party to go green, ss53.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
who is this jeseus christ?
i know not of his works
"A brief but trenchant analysis of Scott Podsednik
He’s dogshit."
by NYRoyal on Jan 8, 2010 8:56 AM PST
Get over it already
Thome is and was a class act. But it don’t take a pessimist to see that Big Jimmy’s tank is half-empty. I, for one, am excited at the move away from the long ball. The Sox need to focus on manufacturing runs as opposed to counting on the big boppers to bail us out. HR’s are great, even more so when they are just one aspect of the game. NOT the all or nothing scenario we’ve endured for the better part of the last 2 seasons. Good luck to Jim, God bless the Sox, and for crying out loud, GET OVER IT!

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