DH Stat of the Day
by The Cheat on Jan 28, 2010 9:05 AM CST
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Baserunning
According to Bill James Handbook (2009)
Jim Thome: -15 bases
Omar Vizquel: -2
Andruw Jones: -1
Mark Kotsay: -12
Total: -15
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you just cut right to the core of the white sox offensive philosophy.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Jan 28, 2010 12:33 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
ftr
wsb: lb, dn
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
by colintj on Jan 29, 2010 12:49 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
yahearrrrrrd
don’t worry though, you’ll find someone who’ll treat you worse than you’ve ever dreamed of. - MM
by homesickalien on Jan 29, 2010 9:18 AM CST up reply actions
asshole.
rec.
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 29, 2010 5:57 AM CST up reply actions
that's not fair.
why don’t you add up home runs?
oh, wait.
you are certainly one of the more ridiculous people on this board. ~ larry
Kotsay carrying the load
Evidently Andruw Jones is still okay defensively, he looked pretty chubby whilst winning a shitload of gold gloves as well!
The world needs the Jedi now more than ever
The only way for this DH situation to not completely blow up in their face
is if Jones has some sort of miraculous rebound season.
"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"
And, in the process, becomes the "full-time DH", thus completely going against their alleged plan.
"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"
Ideally you'd want Jones in the field and Quentin at full time DH, right?
Please find Jay Cutler some help...
I think he meant...
because Jones needs to do more running to lose some weight. It’s about health!
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Check out my pizza review site.
Lose weight?
Haven’t you heard, Jones is in the best shape he’s been all decade.
Please find Jay Cutler some help...
I heard he's Gabe Kapler's new personal trainer.
don’t worry though, you’ll find someone who’ll treat you worse than you’ve ever dreamed of. - MM
by homesickalien on Jan 28, 2010 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
Thanks. It just hasn't been right since I stopped with the depressed fucked-cake eating... about time you gave me something sig-worthy.
don’t worry though, you’ll find someone who’ll treat you worse than you’ve ever dreamed of. - MM
by homesickalien on Jan 28, 2010 6:16 PM CST up reply actions
I always...
ah, fuck it. I know nothing of the future.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
Well, my point was, Jones playing - and playing shockingly well - no matter the position.
The Jones-Quentin question will be answered soon enough. My guess – based on virtually nothing concrete (I’ve never seen Q in RF, and none of us know what Jones can still do) is that the difference will be negligible.
"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"
the vagaries of defensive metrics.
i don’t think anyone would dispute that both jones and quentin have good arms. i’d call that a wash.
as you can see from the link, in a somewhat small sample size, quentin was rated very good in RF for arizona (and scouting reports on him were nearly universal in praise of his defense). in 2008, he was below average in LF. last season, the wheels came off but a whole lot of that can probably be chalked up to his lack of mobility due to injury.
assume that he is healthy and able to move like he was prior to the injury (a safe assumption, though how long-lasting can be debated). you can probably reasonably say he wasn’t as good a defender as he was rated in 06/07 and not as bad as he was rated in 08. maybe expect him to be about average in RF.
with respect to jones, he looked and was rated as having a significant skill decline in 2008 on defense (some argue in 2007, as well, though at least UZR doesn’t back that up). 2009 is really small so can’t draw much from that. maybe jones really is in good, or better, shape. but after watching him waddle around for the last two or three years, i can’t say i’m either optimistic about that or his defense. he’s got some age and injury on him, too. i’d be reticent to expect much more than average from him, as well. i’d be much more confident about him being good on defense than to expect a bounce on offense, though. suppose that’s a good attribute for a 4th outfielder.
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=6274&position=OF
The good thing is that the baseline for RF has been set astronomically low by Dye
so even Quentin or Jones at -5 is a rather large upgrade, at least according to fangraphs.
Very true.
Unfortunately, he still hit 27 homers even though he was legally dead for half the season. Those will be missed.
"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"
That's not something I'm overly worried about
as far as a direct comparison from last year to this year, Dye’s glove was so bad to cancel out any offensive contributions. I didn’t realize that he actually ended up below replacement level.
If he were a DH, he'd be rated better defensively.
Oh, the wonders of WAR.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 28, 2010 7:56 PM CST up reply actions
Are you just
trying to piss us all off? If you aren’t careful, you could be charged with inciting a riot.
Cheat, where do you get off quoting this "Bill James" guy anyway. Next, you're gonna feed me some crap about the importance of being on base.
don’t worry though, you’ll find someone who’ll treat you worse than you’ve ever dreamed of. - MM
i enjoy this one.
you are certainly one of the more ridiculous people on this board. ~ larry
by BuehrleMan on Jan 28, 2010 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
That reminds me...
Time for my annual email to the Sun-Times sports editor asking for OBP to be included in either the box scores or the team stats. Never ever received a reply.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
is that John Rocker?
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 29, 2010 6:19 AM CST up reply actions
so basically none of them are as bad as Jim?
Is this a surprise?
by ThisIsJustBanter on Jan 28, 2010 11:37 AM CST reply actions 4 recs
This can't be serious..
Is that really what you gathered by reading that? It wasn’t very complicated. The point is they are just as bad as Jim.
by Grinder in Training on Jan 28, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
At the same time,
15 one year olds vs. 1 fifteen year old doesn’t make for a very fair comparison of abilities.
"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT
by Black Sox Baseball on Jan 28, 2010 11:50 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
nice!
this deserves a rec.
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 28, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
are you a jagoff?
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Jan 28, 2010 12:11 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
Why is he a jagoff? I thought his comment was pretty funny.
don’t worry though, you’ll find someone who’ll treat you worse than you’ve ever dreamed of. - MM
by homesickalien on Jan 28, 2010 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
Are you? ARE YOU?
Or just a jamoke? :)
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
by winningugly on Jan 28, 2010 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
i love rhetorical questions. big rec.
he better hope i don't get his aim, bro.
by Toonderstrook on Jan 28, 2010 4:54 PM CST up reply actions
Best Lineup Question
I’m thinking out loud here, but is it possible that given the team as it’s currently constructed, we’d actually be better off making Teahen our DH, shifting Beckham back to 3B, Ramirez back to 2B, and using Vizquel as our full-time SS? Would the runs we’d save on defense make up for Vizquel’s terrible offense and the lack of production at DH (which we’re already anticipating anyways)?
Can Vizquel play a full season at this point?
That’s probably out of the question. Normally I’d also mention Teahen’s bat doesn’t really play at DH, but clearly that’s not a factor.
If you are going to play Vizquel every day, probably easier to put Vizquel at third, so Beckham can go to the position he will probably play for the rest of his career, and Alexei doesn’t have to move again though.
by Grinder in Training on Jan 28, 2010 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
I don't know about Vizquel's durability, but it's a good question.
He hadn’t played much at 3B until last year, though in limited action he appeared to do pretty well statistically.
Vizquel's bat is so bad at this point, I don't see how his glove can make up for it
by hitlesswonder on Jan 28, 2010 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed, but this is a team that is letting Mark Kotsay DH
So Vizquel’s bat at SS would probably look pretty good in comparison.
by Grinder in Training on Jan 28, 2010 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
No thank you.
Ramirez at second is not an experience I’d like to relive. Vizquel will be a late inning defensive replacement, as he should be.
"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"
Isn't using him as a replacement disrespecting him?
If so, I wouldn’t count on it happening.
by hitlesswonder on Jan 28, 2010 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
If this week proved anything, it's that the White Sox are perfectly willing to disrespect an aging veteran.
"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"
you want a full time vizquel bat to improve the offense compared to larrys "4" at bats
bleh
RIP Jim Thome 1-25-2010
an AL team not having a DH is like a giraffe fucking a mule. - larry
-15 for the DH committee may be misleading
An average based on respective baserunning while playing DH should yield a baserunning score much closer to average. Probably better than -8…of course I’d still rather have Jim against righties though, as OPS is a good bit more important.
by paul_ on Jan 28, 2010 11:51 AM CST via mobile reply actions
this confuses me
why would “baserunning while playing DH” matter. i’ve never heard it asserted that someone who is DHing is a better baserunner.
the appropriate criticism is that those numbers come from approximately 750 PAs by the committee and 450 for thome (adjust for whatever “baserunning opportunities” you want to ascribe).
Yes.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
by winningugly on Jan 28, 2010 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
Point is -15 for the committee is not accurate
and therefore is not the correct number to use to compare against Thome. I agree, position is irrelevant and could have phrased that better.
If they are all better base runners then their composite score can’t be as bad as Thome…adding them is incorrect.
by paul_ on Jan 28, 2010 1:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Compared to Thome they are better
Kotsay is close, at least according to that metric, but Vizquel and Jones are much better…albeit still below average.
by paul_ on Jan 28, 2010 1:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
and bases are worth a fraction of a run
So if I was generous and said they were 10 bases better than Thome, we’re talking at most, a few runs. Not even close to making up the batted difference.
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by The Cheat on Jan 28, 2010 1:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think her efforts would generate one, don't you?
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
ive posted like 3 times in the past week
Now you want me to do more than simply supply numbers?
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by The Cheat on Jan 28, 2010 2:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Jesus, at least 4 months.
Plus, this recent posting is akin to HSA’s screes as opposed to the measured journalistic skills the man used to employ.
Influenced by estrogen, you are, Cheat.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/01/dodgers-sign-john-koronka-timo-perez.html
coulda used him to be part of our dh committee.
Kenwo4life=ratings
Not enough at bats for a guy with a ring..
Just wouldn’t be right.
by Grinder in Training on Jan 28, 2010 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
perhaps a more interesting discussion might be on the time horizon for conventional wisdom to be laid to rest in baseball.
as the most easily dissected major american sport statistically, there’s a mountain of information at everyone’s fingertips. i’d like to think that at some point all that knowledge staring people in the face will be put to good use, but then again, people are stupid. and the general public is even more stupid than the many stupid individuals that comprise it.
obviously, quantifying people will always be an inexact science, but surely we can infer some things to make good risk/reward plays. why does that seem so difficult employ?
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Jan 28, 2010 1:04 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Agreed, the change is happening gradually
Some teams are better than others, but yeah, I honestly believe that you could take the most competent posters on any SBNation MLB team site to run a front office and put together a better team and minor league system than any team in the league. You’re going to have to convince an owner of this, of course. Some of these wealthy owners earned their money by coming up with a new idea or product, so I’m not sure why they are so foolish with their sports teams.
What needs to happen is that an owner needs to realize that just because Ozzie Guillen, Kenny Williams, or whomever learned to “play baseball the right way,” they have no idea what the right way to play baseball is. But since this applies to nearly everyone in the game, hence “conventional wisdom,” it’s a tough nut to crack. It shouldn’t be this tough, though.
by Gentleman Jim on Jan 28, 2010 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
I would love it if a SSS committee ran the sox
although all the press releases would be too depressing, or merely the ravings of KenWo
RIP Jim Thome 1-25-2010
an AL team not having a DH is like a giraffe fucking a mule. - larry
Well, sir, by that philosophy
we should all be in index funds and not investing in actively managed entities, since 15% of pros beat the market. People cling to what is comfortable until they can’t/won’t. The pain of not changing has to be greater than the pain of changing.
And this year looks to be painful for some of us watching WSB.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
well, wu, you're not wrong. mom and pop should not be trying to beat the market without doing the homework.
and as for the pros… you stay in this game long enough and you’ll tarnish your own legend. none of these guys are above failure. this whole market guru shit is unfortunate. has too many simpletons thinking there are people out there who know it all.
working thru superfreakonomics right now. good read. also dissects conventional wisdom. shockingly, it’s usually wrong. if you haven’t read that or it’s predecessor i’d recommend them both.
Cashing checks and having sex.
And the blog is good too:
http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
no doubt
and for you Wire phanatics, sadir venkatesh who blogs on there and wrote Gangleader for a Day had a set from season 5 where he sits down with some thugish associates of his to discuss the last season
Hell Yesss
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jan 28, 2010 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
FSV
no real malice, just pissed i or my friends didn’t come up with “south side dope buying: a dissertation”.
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Jan 28, 2010 5:54 PM CST up reply actions
Re Freakonomics and conventional wisom
Love where this is all going – a 15yr old in his mom’s basement knows more than most GMs.
Isn’t anyone here willing to give Sox management the benefit of the doubt that maybe, just maybe, they might have some idea what they’re doing?
That maybe, just maybe, the conventional statistical wisdom that a 40yr old plodding oaf is better at DH than the Wizards of Ozzieball may be wrong? That there may be a few intangibles that outweigh Thome’s statistical profile.
KW is no fool. His teams have a history of playing a lot differently than they’re projected.
No animals were harmed during the making of this comment.
by ChicagoPete on Jan 28, 2010 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
MM actually just turned 16.
And the “basement” is really more of the lower level of a duplex.
Show some respect, fer chrissakes.
by The Actual El Guapo on Jan 28, 2010 3:48 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
thank you!
nice to have someone in my corner.
and it’s a duplex down, to clarify. so i can come upstairs to get sunlight and whatever else i might need whenever i want to, thank you very much.
Cashing checks and having sex.
Filling out Life insurance forms for the Taliban?
Drunk Tank Mace
by DrEmilioLizardo on Jan 28, 2010 9:01 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
you mexicans are on a roll this thread!
ggs.
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 29, 2010 6:27 AM CST up reply actions
just doing what we're told
Now you’re telling me that after what happened last year, they’re going to look at this roster and think they have what it takes to contend in the AL and specifically within this division? KW sure sounds convinced that he can do it, and he’s more than ready to continue throwing good money after bad. I don’t think anyone is willing to stand up to him and tell him he’s nuts, and this does not bode well for the future.
by ChicagoPete on Dec 6, 2007 4:39 PM CST
http://www.southsidesox.com/2007/12/6/1470/69911#2822015
reverse psychology.
by larry on Jan 28, 2010 3:50 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
now i thought we were no longer allowed to reference former comments, lest some of us be shown to contradict ourselves all the time.
Cashing checks and having sex.
leave it to larry
as soon as I posted that I was wondering how long it would take someone to bring up the “WTF is ERSTAD doing batting leadoff” ranting from ’07.
Answer is, 7.08 minutes
BUT, I sincerely belever that KW learned his lesson from Erstad, and would never ever do anything so stupid ever ever again.
No animals were harmed during the making of this comment.
I give Kenny a lot of credit for winning a world series. And he's made some moves that turned out really well..
But he’s also made some really bad moves and put together at least one bad and some other mediocre teams, so I don’t think he should be insulated from criticism. Moreover, in this case, Williams and Reinsdorf appeared to actually think it would be best to bring Thome back and/or actually sign a DH who can hit, but deferred the decision to Ozzie, whose logic and plan are totally whacked.
There's one thing giving benefit of the doubt when they say "We just traded for Juan Pierre"
This is an entirely different realm of crazy.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 28, 2010 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
"Subprime mortgages will not affect the economy overall."
Hank Paulson, June 20, 2007. Helluva year for Hank and Pete.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
"joe crede doesn't foresee any back problems in 2007."
“darin erstad should bat at the top of a major league lineup.”
VG.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
not sure that's where it's going, but i don't think that you've got a good reason why the sox won't pay $1.5MM to thome when they have no legit DH.
and sure KW has done pretty well, but questioning authority is what smart people do, right pete? or shall we just always assume that those in power know what’s best for us?
Cashing checks and having sex.
agreed
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 29, 2010 6:28 AM CST up reply actions
No team in the AL Central has committed more money over the next five seasons than the Chicago White Sox. With the acquisitions of right-hander Jake Peavy and outfielder Alex Rios in late 2009, the White Sox added nearly $112 million in payroll through 2014. But Chicago GM Ken Williams managed to keep payroll basically flat for 2010 by parting ways with four veterans who represented nearly 40 percent of the 2009 payroll: Jim Thome ($13 million), Jermaine Dye ($11.5 million), Jose Contreras ($10 million), and Octavio Dotel ($6 million). In their place, the Sox added outfielder Juan Pierre ($3 million), third baseman Mark Teahen ($3.75 million), and reliever J.J. Putz ($3 million). Williams even had room for shelling out $4 million to upgrade the bench, bringing back outfielder Mark Kotsay and backup catcher Ramon Castro while signing veteran free agents Omar Vizquel and Andruw Jones.
The White Sox have committed more than $66 million to nine players for 2011, with most of the money reserved for Peavy ($16 million), Rios ($12 million), and left-hander Mark Buehrle ($14 million). Chicago also faces the prospect of expensive arbitration cases for closer Bobby Jenks, left fielder Carlos Quentin, and left-hander John Danks. But payroll flexibility will improve for 2012, with only $45 million committed to five players.
Like every other club, the White Sox need premium production from their players earning eight-figure salaries. Peavy is due $15 million this season, $16 million for 2011, and $17 million for 2012, with the club holding a $22- million option for 2013. Rios will earn $9.7 million in 2010, $12 million in both 2011 and 2012, and $12.5 million in both 2013 and 2014. Their ability to rebound in 2010 and beyond will go a long way in determining whether the White Sox can win and whether Williams’ 2009 gambles were cost-effective.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=9994
We are somewhat boxed in, is my take on this.
Like we haven’t been since the big contracts of 2006?
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
depends.
sox had a payroll about 15% higher in 2008. is that an outlier or is that roughly the ceiling (i.e., the reason payroll isn’t there now or last season is because they expect they’ll be back there or above once those mentioned arb cases / long-term deals are concluded or they’re building in flexibility for the fantastic 2011 free agents). konerko and aj do free up some significant cash, though existing increases (rios, pierre, floyd so on) eat up some of that even before we get to the arb cases.
That was my thought
re: PK and AJ coming off the books being negated by Peavy (not a bad trade) and Rios/Pierre (shudder). I’m OK with Floyd’s, and a long-term Danks, contract. Position players look a little dicey with that fabulous 30th-ranked-by-Law farm filling in. (Though Mitchell trumps all concerns in 2011.)
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
In 2 years this Rios talk
won’t even be a consideration and fuck Keith Law.
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
He is an incredibly sophisticated man, well versed in
baseball matters, fine cuisine and the best literature. Not to mention, one of the sexiest men on the planet.
what a DICK.
a small one.
what a HAMSTER PENIS.
WordUpThome: WILL I BE REQUIRED TO PLAY INSIDE OF THE TRASH BAGS OR SIMPLY AMONGST THEM
Not a consideration because we've traded him?
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
No because Im honestly not that concerned about him
I just won’t engage in the all the hang wringing on him. The kid had a bad year and put a lot of pressure on himself and made it worst. Before last year he was 5.6, 4.8 and 3.3 Win player. Chances are very good he lives up to his contract. We really have other much more unlikely great performances to worry about.
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
The Lawman
not high on either Hudson or Viciedo. In fact, calls Hudson’s stuff “average at best” and his ceiling as a 4 or 5.
You da man.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
keith law is a fairy.
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 29, 2010 6:34 AM CST up reply actions
big surprise.
white sox projected to be 79-83 by BP, good for 2nd place. twins projected at 82-80.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/fantasy/dc/index.php?tm=CHA
these will be updated later based upon the finalized depth charts but things usually don’t change all that radically.
What a spectacular division.
"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"
Okay...
1) Twins are 82-80 and picked to finish in first place. I figure they hit at least 86 wins.
2) White Sox are 79-83 and picked to finish in second place. Probably generous IMO.
3) Where are the Indians and Tigers picked?
Figure this. Take away the gain the Twins get from snagging Thome (maybe 1 game) and give us a full time DH in Thome (and maybe 1-2 wins more as a result) and there the White Sox are around 81-81, the Twins at 80-82.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
by Shoeless In SC on Jan 28, 2010 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
You are positively high
Both the White Sox and Twins will win more games than that.
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
at least
we’re 2 wins better than the Cubs…
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/team_audit.php?team=chn
You da man.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
Wins and losses - pfft. Typical stat-guy numbers crap.
Where’s Effortishness? Basecloggsimity? Are they believers in Firsttothirdism or are they Two-strike-buntitites? You can’t measure the dirt content of a guy’s pants with a slide rule, Poindexter.
by The Actual El Guapo on Jan 28, 2010 3:44 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Proposing new Stat Tracking Data:
Grindiosity
H-E-A-R-T-Index
Lipid Base Stenosis Factor
FWPDHRF (Fielding while playing DH Range Factor)
BSSCR (Bristol Stool Sample Chart Rating)
Drunk Tank Mace
by DrEmilioLizardo on Jan 29, 2010 12:11 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I would be pleased
with a lot of those projections. Especially Alexei.
by Off the bus running on Jan 28, 2010 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't post this because I wasn't quite sure if it was figured in yet.
Lots of 09 stuff like comments still listed. However assuming it is I would be highly encouraged by this. A projected 789 runs scored would bold well for this currently constructed squad. The pitching projections are ultra conservative so take them with a grain of salt.
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
Case in point not 1 starter is projected to throw 200 innings in these inital numbers
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
projecting any one starter
but it’s not unreasonable to expect the Sox to have 3 starters over 190 IP this year.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
if the fourth doesn't get to at least 180
that’s probably a bad sign.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
Just glancing through, some of the projections (particularly on pitchers) seem ... odd.
Take a look at the Nats (and Strasberg in particular — 31 VORP in 15 starts?) and A’s (Sheets, Trevor Cahill and their middle relievers). Maybe they’re preliminary or (more likely) I’m missing something and/or dumb.
Teh Cub at 77-85 would be amusing, though.
by The Actual El Guapo on Jan 28, 2010 6:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Anything you post with "Teh" gets a rec from me,
since “Teh Twinn” is classic.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
Some of the individual player projections are not terrible.
I could live with some of those numbers.
Chatty chat chat. Shocking conclusion on the DH.
Brian (Tinley): Christina – First off, I wanted to let you know how much I enjoy your work. I was wondering what your thoughts are on how the White Sox fared on their roster moves this winter and last summer with Rios and Peavy? Do you think they have put themselves into contention to get into the playoffs and advance? Thanks, Brian
Christina Kahrl: Brian, thank you as well, I appreciate the sentiment. I’m left with feeling as if the White Sox’ offseason is a thing not yet finished. I like the rotation quite a bit (Freddy Garcia may prove to be a bargain, while Peavy will be fine), and the pen’s looking good as well (don’t forget Jenks’ commitment to conditioning, even after it lost its q rating to Villanueva’s even bigger weight loss). I just don’t like the DH situation, because Kotsay and Jones won’t add enough value there, and they should have re-upped with Thome instead of keeping space open for a 12th pitcher they may not need given that rotation.
by The Actual El Guapo on Jan 28, 2010 3:26 PM CST reply actions
Christina...
Heartwarming to know I agree with her, as do most of the posters here. Too bad Kenny and Ozzie don’t see it our way.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
by Shoeless In SC on Jan 28, 2010 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
thanks for the link. :)
This is rather recent and pretty funny:
David (bloomington, indiana): Do Jon Coutlangus and Doug Fister ever get to pitch on the same team together – it would be a shame for that treasure-trove of single-entendres to go untapped.
Christina Kahrl: Oh, I don’t know. There’s a quite a bit to be said of players who defy Bermanisms. Unless of course HBO moves into broadcasting baseball…
don’t worry though, you’ll find someone who’ll treat you worse than you’ve ever dreamed of. - MM
by homesickalien on Jan 28, 2010 4:57 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If the 2010 White Sox were a vending machine sandwich
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by billyok on Jan 28, 2010 4:35 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
chickencrap.com
is a fantastic name for a website. We might have to change sss’s to that.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
i think it might be taken...
duh
WordUpThome: WILL I BE REQUIRED TO PLAY INSIDE OF THE TRASH BAGS OR SIMPLY AMONGST THEM
hey posted pics of the last tsss meet up?
HSA needs a tighter belt.
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 29, 2010 6:47 AM CST up reply actions
linebrink?
RIP Jim Thome 1-25-2010
an AL team not having a DH is like a giraffe fucking a mule. - larry
by blackoutsox on Jan 29, 2010 11:13 PM CST up reply actions
i thought the dude looked like larry
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 1, 2010 4:54 PM CST up reply actions
Too much hair.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
lol
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 1, 2010 8:45 PM CST up reply actions
Broadway Brawl
A former relief pitcher for the Chicago White Sox and New York Mets has been sued for allegedly assaulting a Woodlands man during a New Year’s Eve party in Dallas.
Randy Sorrels, attorney for 25-year-old Ivan Pinney, said his client’s left eye was severely damaged when he was punched and kicked by Lance Broadway, currently a minor-league pitcher in the Toronto Blue Jays organization, and Cameron McGuire, who plays for United League Baseball’s Edinburg Roadrunners.
Sorrels said that McGuire kicked Pinney in the face after he had dropped to his knees. Afterwards, according to Sorrels, a brawl broke out and Broadway punched several women, knocking one out.
those pictures are intense
"A brief but trenchant analysis of Scott Podsednik
He’s dogshit."
by NYRoyal on Jan 8, 2010 8:56 AM PST
holy shitballs.
don’t worry though, you’ll find someone who’ll treat you worse than you’ve ever dreamed of. - MM
by homesickalien on Jan 28, 2010 5:01 PM CST up reply actions
Just another Friday night at MM's house,
except the assaultee is a woman. Dago-T and all.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
_
he better hope i don't get his aim, bro.
by Toonderstrook on Jan 28, 2010 5:32 PM CST up reply actions
This reminds me a bit more of....
don’t worry though, you’ll find someone who’ll treat you worse than you’ve ever dreamed of. - MM
by homesickalien on Jan 28, 2010 5:37 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
As it should be.
don’t worry though, you’ll find someone who’ll treat you worse than you’ve ever dreamed of. - MM
by homesickalien on Jan 28, 2010 11:20 PM CST up reply actions
Why can't Broadway be in a different ball cap? :-/
and he reportedly punched women. WTG.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
by Shoeless In SC on Jan 28, 2010 5:36 PM CST up reply actions
I know... like the one of the team that currently signs his paychecks? Keeh-rist.
don’t worry though, you’ll find someone who’ll treat you worse than you’ve ever dreamed of. - MM
by homesickalien on Jan 28, 2010 5:55 PM CST up reply actions
Shirtless woman-puncher.
His mother must be bursting with pride.
by The Actual El Guapo on Jan 28, 2010 5:38 PM CST up reply actions
She was indeed all aglow
until he cold-cocked her.
don’t worry though, you’ll find someone who’ll treat you worse than you’ve ever dreamed of. - MM
by homesickalien on Jan 28, 2010 6:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
sounds like he used his throwing hand. idiot.
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Jan 28, 2010 6:05 PM CST up reply actions
what do you mean...it sounds like his most successful outing ever.
he better hope i don't get his aim, bro.
by Toonderstrook on Jan 28, 2010 6:21 PM CST up reply actions
he's learned much from the brett myers' offseason camp
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Jan 28, 2010 7:06 PM CST up reply actions
smart move really, using his celebrity
Status as a professional athlete hoping Dana White will notice his mad MMA skillz to catapult a new UFC career.
by Akronsoxfan on Jan 28, 2010 7:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
this is what happens when you....
Lance: Is this your homework, Larry? Is this your homework, Larry?
Cameron: Look, man…
Lance: Cameron, please? Is this your homework, Larry?
Cameron: Just ask him about the car.
Lance: Is this yours, Larry? Is this your homework, Larry?
Cameron: Is that your car out front?
Lance: Is this your homework, Larry?
Cameron: We know it’s his fucking homework! Where’s the fucking money, you little brat?
Lance: look, Larry. Have you ever heard of Vietnam?
Cameron: Oh, for Christ’s sake, Lance…
Lance: You’re entering a world of pain, son. We know that this is your homework. We know that you stole a car.
Cameron: And the fucking money.
Lance: And the fucking money. And, we know that this is your homework.
Cameron: We’re going to cut your dick off, Larry.
Lance: You’re killing your father, Larry!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 28, 2010 11:00 PM CST up reply actions
women watch out!
I hope I never end up at a party both Lance Broadway and Brandon Laird happen to be attending.
why do they picture him in a sox hat?
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 29, 2010 6:50 AM CST up reply actions
This would have been perfect for that terrible day when we were denied taters.
http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/
The Boogeyman cometh
by omnipotent grab on Jan 28, 2010 7:33 PM CST reply actions
http://www.bombombombomwooooo.com
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Jan 28, 2010 7:35 PM CST up reply actions
the DH situation improves when you factor in the pitchers that are likely to become part of our DH rotation
by No It All on Jan 28, 2010 9:22 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
We use a rotating fourth bowler while our regular fourth bowler sits a season out
and it’s fucking horseshit!! we’re 5-9 right now
i hate you ozzie
tgialcohol
fuck this shit
fuck fuck fuck fuck bye
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is your fourth bowler, Walter Sobchak?
because he doesn’t roll on Shabbos….and he told you and those league f*cks down at the office a thousand times….
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 29, 2010 7:23 AM CST up reply actions
Mark gonzales is a great "company man"
Check out his pathetic attempt to back up ozzie in this morning’s trib…sorry no link.
by stanchar on Jan 29, 2010 7:06 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I like Walker, at least more so than the SSS masses...
but him saying this is the deepest offense since he’s been here is insanity. 2003 and 2006 come to mind as particularly good offensive ball clubs. 2003 would have even been better if konerko didn’t blow.
Kenwo4life=ratings
deep does not necessarily mean good.
i’d rather have timo in the last bench spot and a real hitter in the starting lineup.
This is way off subject
but I once had a pretty candid conversation with Walker at the Mortons steakhouse in Minneapolis (which has since closed making a trip up there less desirable)….. This was in 2006…. where he told me that the White Sox had a deal done for Alfonso Soriano….. but the Nationals went and scouted Lance Broadway, and Broadway didn’t hit 90 one time that day so the deal fell through.
Kenwo4life=ratings
Broadway hit 90 at the bar. Should have scouted him there.
That would have dramatically changed the 2006 pennant race. He could have dragged the Sox past the Tigers and into the post-season.
Oh, well….
by 67WMAQ on Jan 29, 2010 8:32 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
kind of amusing that the nationals appeared to negotiate a trade based upon year old draft scouting reports.
at least they left themselves the out of doing in-person scouting before finalizing.
Walker would sign a DH.
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 29, 2010 8:42 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Brandon Mccarthy
was the other player involved in the trade. Would have changed the White Sox landscape thats for sure.
Kenwo4life=ratings
He could have solved our leadoff position!
And DHed, oh well.
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 29, 2010 8:41 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Thome signing autographs at TwinsFest tonight
sounds nauseating…
His name is Rios and he dances on the sand
I enjoy your new contributions.
Especially the baseball talk. I feel more informed. We’d never heard of Bill James.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
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