Thoughts on Baseball America's Top 31 White Sox Prospects
First, the list. After the jump, some musings.
- Jared Mitchell
- Tyler Flowers
- Daniel Hudson
- Brent Morel
- Jordan Danks
- Trayce Thompson
- Dayan Viciedo
- David Holmberg
- Clevelan Santeliz
- Miguel Gonzalez
- Josh Phegley
- John Ely
- Sergio Santos
- Stefan Gartrell
- C.J. Retherford
- Carlos Torres
- Lucas Harrell
- Santos Rodriguez
- Eduardo Escobar
- Nevin Griffith
- Christian Marrero
- Jhonny Nunez
- Dan Remenowsky
- Kyle Bellamy
- John Shelby
- Nate Jones
- Charlie Leesman
- Jon Link
- Jose Martinez
- Justin Collop
- Nick Ciolli
Yes, Baseball America put the book to bed December 13 so the Juan Pierre trade that took place two days later wasn't taken into account, thereby leaving Ely and Link on the list.
Most readers are already aware of my dislike of lists because they essentially lack context. What does it mean to be the #10 prospect in a system if you don't know how good that system is? What does it mean for two players to be ranked #4 and #5? Are they close together in terms of potential or is there a big gap? You need to read the scouting reports (and use your own head) to figure it out.
Of course, I'm just giving you a list from a book. So, other than my comments below, what can we all learn from it. One easy thing is to simply compare it to other lists you've read. One thing you see is Daniel Hudson ranges from #1-3, suggesting perhaps a lack of consensus about his prospect status (and, by extension, the other usual suspects, Tyler Flowers and Jared Mitchell) - which is borne out when looking at overall top prospect lists, where, for example, Keith Law doesn't even rank Hudson in his top 100 while John Sickels rates him as the #24 pitching prospect (which, while John doesn't combine his hitters and pitchers into one list, suggests a ranking somewhere around #50 overall). Indeed, amongst the three editors of Baseball America's book, Hudson was only on one of their top 50 lists (#37, Will Lingo) while both Mitchell (#28, Lingo; #39 John Manuel) and Flowers (#29, Lingo; #41, Manuel) made two. I guess, like Law, Jim Callis hates the White Sox system - and, by extension, all White Sox fans and kittens - since he doesn't see one top 50 prospect.
Another thing is understanding the biases of a listmaker. For example, Baseball Prospectus' Kevin Goldstein is known as an upside-whore with a particular predilection for young Latinos. If you were signed at age 16, speak Spanish as your native language and are described as either "toolsy" or "flame-throwing", you will automatically be ranked at least 50 spots higher than on most other prospect lists. In Baseball America's case, you often see a bias towards players the organization likes as it is believed that they lend more weight to the opinion of club officials. So, when reading their list, particularly as you get outside the top 10 or 15, you tend to see some guys who aren't as highly touted elsewhere but make the list because of club favoritism.
I (and others) talk a lot about the top guys so I'm going to focus more on the lesser knowns. Obviously, I like the placement of David Holmberg because it jives with my top ten list. While he doesn't have good velocity, as a lefty, he can get away with that. Both of his secondary offerings, a curve and a changeup, are considered plus offerings already - and he graduated high school seven months ago. While there isn't a great deal of projection left in him, pitchers like him can be #3/4 starters.
This is the first list that another of my favorites, Miguel Gonzalez, made the top ten. I struggled with his placement on my list and he was a late cut simply because he lacked experience above Rookie league. He's going to be in Kannapolis next year as a 19 year old but he could be on a fast track.
Stefan Gartrell's placement at #14 is a combination of Phil Rogers' input and an example of organizational bias slipping in. Gartrell, even in a weak system like the White Sox', probably doesn't even belong in a top 31. Lucas Harrell and Eduardo Escobar are more examples of this. Harrell has long been a favorite - he was added to the 40 man two years ago despite being oft-injured with shoulder problems. Escobar simply cannot hit a lick and, while his fielding is wonderful, the glove doesn't carry you to the big leagues if you barely crack a .300 OBP in two seasons in Low A.
Everybody roots for Dan Remenowksy, who went undrafted and was signed out of the independent leagues. He mowed down A ballers to the tune of 15.5 K/9 but a fastball that doesn't usually crack 90 usually spells doom for a right-handed reliever.
Charlie Leesman is a Rick Hahn favorite and as arguably the most advanced lefty in the system - despite being a 2008 draftee and having no experience above A ball - he can probably expect to be pushed aggressively.
Jose Martinez is another example of club bias seeping through. Had plenty of talent but he hasn't played since May 2008 due to knee problems. His placement shows that the club is still thinking of him but how much to expect after that sort of layoff - even for a player just 22 - is highly speculative.
And I'd be remiss to not bloviate on another favorite, Nick Ciolli, who made the pamphlet supplement to the book. Obviously he's the type who needs just about everything to go right for him to even make AAA but I like the line drive swing and I like the intelligence and acumen it takes to steal 23 bases in 27 attempts while having only average speed.
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How do they expect to keep Santos?
They made it more obvious that they valued him by putting him on the 40-man roster, but they really don’t have a place for him on the team, most likely. So now they’re short one 40-man spot and will get 25K less if he’s taken off waivers than if he were selected in the Rule 5 Draft.
you're the one who said no one was going to take him in rule 5.
why do you think they’d suddenly pay a waiver fee to have the same privilege of putting him on their active roster?
To piss in KW's Cheerios?
I’m not sure why he was put on the roster for the reasons I’ve said, but if he were hypothetically taken in the Rule 5 draft, he would probably spend a week or so walking MLB hitters and then be returned to Charlotte. Now that teams have probably taken a better look at him, he’s free game for the first cellar dweller willing to fill the last roster spot, and then the next one if they’ve decided they don’t like him. That may just be crap, though. Either way, I don’t see him learning command in two months before the season starts and they could do better with the roster spot. Not the first move I dislike from them this offseason, though.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 30, 2010 9:58 PM CST up reply actions
i'm confused by all this.
i see no difference between exposing him then or later. everyone and their scouting director saw him the AFL. no one is going to suddenly take a closer look because he’s on the 40 man roster.
It's probably a moot point, I just don't see why the roster spot was necessary if they're probably putting him through waivers.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 30, 2010 10:53 PM CST up reply actions
There's a spot on the bench with Brandon Moss written all over it.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 31, 2010 12:01 AM CST up reply actions
great, another outfielder.
do you really see all sorts of super stuff on the 40 man that suggests to you a problem with adding a player?
kind of like the 40 man roster.
which is why worrying about being “short one” there isn’t all that relevant.
we could trade some of them for this guy! (found this on mlb trade rumors)
Let’s speculate, for a moment, that Lee could be persuaded (probably through a cash bonus) to leave the ranch behind and agree to a deal. Houston would almost surely have to eat at least half of Lee’s remaining contract in any trade, but for a big-market AL team that could afford to pick up the other half, Lee would be an intriguing DH option.
Perhaps the best fit is Chicago. Much has been written about Ozzie Guillen’s DH-by-committee plan for the upcoming season, and the White Sox seem committed enough to the idea to pass on signing Jim Thome. But if the Sox find themselves in a pennant race and their platoon of designated hitting options (Omar Vizquel? Really?) isn’t working out, then they could make a play for an everyday DH. Lee would fit that bill and, since he spent the first six seasons of his career with the White Sox, might be amenable to waive his no-trade clause to return to a familiar location.
This scenario is, admittedly, a longshot. It’s much more likely that, no matter if the Astros choose to keep aiming for contention or commit to a proper rebuilding process, Lee will be a constant in the Astros’ outfield. You could say that Lee is Houston’s answer to Vernon Wells - an unwieldly contract that is too big to trade and also takes up enough of the payroll to hamstring the team from making other moves.
I’ve always been a big Carlos Lee fan. He ranks in my top 10 white sox of all time. Id take him. Obviously the Sox won’t….. but it would be nice to get some thunder back in the lineup.
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well hopefully the sox are so bad in april they fire his dumb ass
and make the deal in june :)
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No thanks
I did like Lee when he was with the team but one of your top ten favs? Houston is notoriously delusional and even if they decided to trade him the Sox would have likely traded by then or their DH situation would be working out.
And yes Ozzie doesn’t care for him.
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
absolutely top 10 hitters.
1. Ron Kittle
2. Harold Baines
3. Frank Thomas
4. Ivan Calderon
5. Carlos Lee
6. Jermaine Dye
7. Magglio Ordonez
8. Lance Johnson
9. Jim Thome
10 a. Juan Uribe
10 b. Jose Valentin
Pitchers would be
1. Lamarr Hoyt
2. Bobby Thigpen
3. Jose Contreras
4. Wilson Alvarez
5. Roberto Hernandez
6. Freddy Garcia
7. Richard Dotson
8. James Baldwin
9. Mike Sirotka
10. Gavin Floyd
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also, for the hitters, you forgot rob mackowiak.
you are certainly one of the more ridiculous people on this board. ~ larry
eh I kinda like Buehrle...
but the dude sucks every year for half the season. it kind of annoys me because he’s so good the other half.
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I dont think there should be any disputing that,
MB has had a far better career than Gavin Floyd at this point. MB is a top 5 WhiteSox all time pitcher.
Jones,Kotsay,Vizquel < Thome
i never said he wasnt
but he isn’t in my top 10 favorites….. which is what the list is.
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Well your personal list is wrong.
Frank Thomas is not only the greatest hitter in white sox history but maybe the 2nd best right handed hitter ever.
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 1, 2010 3:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
im with triples
RIP Jim Thome 1-25-2010
an AL team not having a DH is like a giraffe fucking a mule. - larry
fail
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 1, 2010 4:41 PM CST up reply actions
and he is my 3rd favorite white sox hitter ever.
and if you’re not down with that I got 2 words for yaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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by KenWo4LiFe on Feb 1, 2010 5:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
DX SUCK IT
is 3 words by my estimation.
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 1, 2010 8:53 PM CST up reply actions
who the fuck rec'd this?
should have their account banned.
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 1, 2010 8:55 PM CST up reply actions
why haven't you been banned yet....
you add absolutely nothing to the site other than trying… and failing…. to be like me.
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SoB is surprisingly worse than KenWo.
And KenWo is pretty fucking bad.
The Boogeyman cometh
by omnipotent grab on Feb 1, 2010 11:26 PM CST up reply actions
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This right here...
proves how much better at life I am than you. Argo scum.
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 2, 2010 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
Buehrle won 135 games during the 2000-2009 decade.
only roy halladay-139 and roy oswalt 137… have one more for their franchise in that time period. 4th would be 123 by Mussina for the Yankees.
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And pitchers 3, 8, 8 and 8?
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
I get it.
People inexplicably have favorites and just as inexplicably have an irrational dislike for certain players.
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
Cant say i get it.
>_<
The Boogeyman cometh
by omnipotent grab on Jan 31, 2010 9:30 PM CST up reply actions
thank you.
didn’t know everyones favorite players had to all be who everyone else thinks they should be. If i was listing my top 15 hitters you would have seen
11 Albert Belle
12 George Bell
13 Sammy Sosa
14 Warren Newson
15 Paco Martin
No joe crede, rowand, konerko, guillen or fisk.
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right right
Don’t get me wrong, I disagree with several of your choices (absence of one Fisk, Carlton my all time fave to be exact), but if I posted my list I’m sure it would get flamed too.
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
pitcher 3 won us the world series... in my opinion
he had the biggest impact of anyone to do with the organization in that championship. if it wasn’t for him cleveland would have been playing the red sox…. and i liked JB. He wasn’t the best but i enjoyed watching him work.
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how dare you say ron kittle sucked.
he was the greatest there ever was. Calderon was pretty fucking good too. As was Valentin and Uribe. I think I liked those two guys after watching that buffoon Guillen all those years suck at short. Then we got guys that could hit 20 homers a year…. it was a nice change of pace.
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he was awesome in that strike shortened season
maybe if they didn’t go on strike he would have made it.
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Nice piece, larry. Thx.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
by Chiburb on Jan 31, 2010 6:43 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Yes thanks for this Lar
Most seem to agree the Sox have drafted better the last 2 years. If they continue to do that how long does it take to build a respectable system?
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
depends to whom you talk.
BA ranks the system #19. keith law has it last.
at any rate, a lot of that depends upon player personnel decisions. some organizations would have kept beckham down and he’d still be eligible. a lot of teams wouldn’t trade prospects, either. obviously development, too. when the system loses hudson and flowers, currently, there doesn’t look like much that’s primed to replace them. but does miguel gonzalez or josh phegley take a step forward? maybe another pitcher has a (somewhat) similar climb like hudson? trayce thompson? what about viciedo? there’s interesting talent but it needs to develop. not a lot of perceived slam dunks or really high upside types in the system currently so that will hurt any ranking.
i think to really be perceived as respectable by most observers they’d need either a couple more good drafts or a good draft this year and some good luck with development of what they have. i don’t agree with BA’s ranking; sox are bottom third still for sure.
Well I don't give a damn what Keith Law thinks but I get your point
I was just curious. I’m not looking for the Rays way of building (extended suckitude) but teams like Boston do quite nice. I really liked your explanation of author bias with these lists. It really helps explain such drastic differences sometimes. Or just being a douche bag if you’re Keith Law.
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
if you want to be like boston, you have to spend the money.
they pay over-slot consistently. the white sox don’t. to put that in perspective, in the last five drafts, the red sox have spent about $37M while the white sox have spent about $18M. and the red sox also spend on international free agents.
I would much rather have a farm system like the Red Sox than our current
system. To get there you have to spend – put money towards international scouting and also unfortunately deal more with Boras.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 31, 2010 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
true but if they do that you know they aren't going to spend at the major league level.
not that they pick up guys for 1.5 million that could help the team anyway.
Kenwo4life=ratings
Great point, look at the Tigers.
They spent the money and dealt with Boras for Rick Porcello and Jacob Turner. I would love for the White Sox to spend that kind of money on high upside arms.
We got Peavy for some of our farm.
Of course, it took 4 to get one.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
Only one of those guys was a first round pick, too.
That was more capitalizing on San Diego’s financial situation and a strange circumstance than the prospect value, though.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 31, 2010 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
Whatever works.
We had to have what they wanted, to some extent. It’s pretty much asummed around these parts that KW prefers to dea prospects for established players. And the only reason we got Becks was because we drafted high in 2008.
I do like the direction taken as of late, with high risk/high reward or high fail, rather than conservative, Broadway-esque picks.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
There's a mindset out there that 3.5 million goes a long way in the draft
or, the difference between Turner’s bonus and Mitchell’s. Of course the White Sox would have spent more if they were in that draft position, but in 2008, when the White Sox picked 8th, they signed Gordon Beckham, Brent Morel, Drew O’Neil, Daniel Hudson, Jordan Danks and Dexter Carter for about 500 K less than it took to sign Turner. It would be nice to see them spend more money in the draft and internationally(when they’re ready), but I also know the risk of putting 5 mil into a high school arm.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 31, 2010 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
This.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
So did everyone else
The White Sox simply don’t deal with Boras, I don’t see that changing any time soon.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 31, 2010 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
yeah well, thats true. and it sucks.
by dealing with Boras Detroit had the horses in the stable to be able to trade for M Cabrera.
The Tigers have dealt with Boras for several years.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 31, 2010 10:57 PM CST up reply actions
FIRE THE WHOLE LOT OF EM!!!
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
does anyone have a complete draft order?
I know we pick 13th in the first, but unsure thereafter. With all the compensatory picks after the first and second rounds, I have a feeling we don’t have too much room for error with our top picks.
Also, looking at our rankings on the various lists it seems we lack impact pitching. Our top position prospects look to have some value, but the pitching is pretty thin.
larry, do you think the organization will concentrate on pitching this draft, more so than in past years?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 31, 2010 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
regarding pitching: there was this from Laumann
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/01/odds-ends-ankiel-tigers-damon.html
Corporations are not people.....strip personhood.
thanks
any word on Poreda in SD’s system now?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 31, 2010 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
Sickels has dropped Poreda's grade
makes me feel a lot better about the Peavy deal.
10) Aaron Poreda, LHP, Grade C+: Command collapsed after the Peavy trade, cutting into his grade.
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2009/12/7/1190680/san-diego-padres-top-20-prospects
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 31, 2010 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
You didn't feel good before this?
I thought the deal was expensive re: salary, but what we gave up wasn’t so much as longshots to make an appreciable difference at the major league level.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
definitely expensive
but, i’d take that right now over depleting our farm system. Dexter Carter kind of blew up after the trade as well, even though he has some upside.
My guess is Poreda is going to project as a reliever, considering he doesn’t have great control and a wide array of pitches (as of yet).
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 31, 2010 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
So you're satisfied with the (short-term) outcome, it sounds.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
absolutely
look at what Phil gave up for Lee and now Halladay. Peavy might not be in the same category as Halladay, but he’s not far behind. Money is one thing, they’re all getting (or will be getting) paid. The prospects that we gave up, so far, don’t seem like they’ll pan out to much.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 31, 2010 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
What's the calculus for assigning supplemental picks for non-signs?
Do they just start following the round where they were picked?
Also, figuring Laumann’s right about pitching idea, who would be available to the Sox if the draft were tomorrow?
It's not hard to envision one of Deck McGuire, Chris Sale, or Drew Pomeranz falling to 13
These are all college pitchers, whom I expect the Sox will be looking to draft. This draft is top heavy in prepsters, but I think they’ll stick to their recent use of the first pick for high-upside college guys.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 31, 2010 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
BA falls into the "upside-whore" category. The Sox have gone for upside recently.
Probably some good ol’ White Sox hyping, too.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 31, 2010 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
Law said the 2008 draft was a good one.
FKL. Thank you for the piece. Very nice. Good to see the minorleague system coverage getting cranked up long before P&C reporting.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
clearly the sox would have ranked in the bottom third
if BA would have taken the Pierre trade into account
Ely and Link make any prospect list look good
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Feb 1, 2010 9:10 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Even Keith Fucking Law accepts this premise.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
Just trying to do what I do best......
There is absolutely no way the White Sox explore any appealing DH option over the next several months. It is what it is. A Jones and M Kotsay will share the spot and that is that. And absolutely there is ZERO chance J Damon ends up in a Sox uniform—-but we will see him more often in 2010 as he signs a deal with the Tigers within the next 10 days.
by stanchar on Jan 31, 2010 10:24 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
could be
he also could end up with Toronto, and if Beane comes to his senses and realizes he needs an offense, he could opt for Damon (now that Ocab has signed with the Reds). Is ATL out on Damon?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 31, 2010 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
Johnny Damon or Curtis Granderson:
who would you rather have if you could only have one for 1-2 years? It seems like almost a wash to me.
Rose for 2010 All Star
Damon can at least stay in the lineup against lefties
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 31, 2010 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
Well done stanch..
Let’s hope you still got it.
by Grinder in Training on Jan 31, 2010 3:04 PM CST up reply actions
Please keep all posts on topic.
We wouldn’t want BO conversing with himself again.
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 31, 2010 4:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
phil rogers is hurting my brain again.
can someone please tell me what this means.
Thome, a lifelong Midwesterner, also will help set the tone as the Twins move outdoors from the Metrodome, which offered comfortable working conditions. …
you are certainly one of the more ridiculous people on this board. ~ larry
he is used to the chilly weather being a lifelong midwesterner.
how that sets the tone i don’t know… especially considering joe mauer grew up 3 blocks from the stadium. fucking idiot.
Kenwo4life=ratings
this has nothing to do with nothing... but
the only hitter in my high school’s history more feared than I was Ted Kluszewski!
Kenwo4life=ratings
ARGO!
To be free is to live. To end freedom is to end life.
by usualsuspect on Jan 31, 2010 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
TY for clarifying this.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
The Mercenary becomes a Red.
How appropriate. Hugo approves of this:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4874353
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
i think we should have kept him last year.
I thought he did a lovely job for the sox in 2008. Actually we still miss the hole that him or uribe left in the infield since Teahen is our third baseman.
Kenwo4life=ratings
the best manager he ever had was scioscia.
ozzie has thin skin. anytime somebody says anything about him he cries like a puss… dating back to when the sox booted him after 97… which is 5 years after he was considered useful.
Kenwo4life=ratings
[.]

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Jan 31, 2010 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
He isn't that good anymore.
I’d probably take Teahen.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 31, 2010 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
i hated watching that guy hit.
if teahen can post a league average OBP, i’ll be more than satisfied.
Cashing checks and having sex.
If you steal 3rd with JD at the plate with 2outs
as Cabrera did twice in 08’ to my recollection I don’t blame Ozzie for his dislike/disdain of OCab. I do hope he helps the Reds push the Cubs into 4th or 5th place.
lol
You’re siding with Dye in the mid-at-bat stare-down (with one out, BTW)?
Twitter: @SouthSideCheat
SouthSideSox on Facebook
i sided with cabrera at the time.
Dye acted like a douche bag… its not like he was hitting all too well at the time either.
Kenwo4life=ratings
Yea, but I'm pretty sure one of those times he took off when JD had
2 strikes. I’ve heard it called taking the bat out of the hitters hands. That little distraction of him taking off could disrupt the hitters focus.
I couldn't remember if it was 1 or 2, but anyway, what is the point?
I could see if it was a very weak hitter at the plate to get into position for the sac fly, but Cabrera is not Crawford or Ellsbury and Yuniesky Bentencort wasnt at the plate.
How about letting the hitter focus on a fat pitch instead of seeing the runner
take off and have to worry about whether to protect the runner, taking the pitch, or nailing a mistake.
i realize white sox batters are used to baseclogging statues on base while they're batting
but guys who are stealing third, particularly guys like OC, don’t need protection when they steal third. when they go, it means they have the base stolen because no one was holding them on.
you yourself wrote that dye swung at what was most
likely a ball probably due to cabrera taking off(presumably padding his stats for 09’ free agency)
and dye struck out on the following pitch. what was his excuse then?
can’t concentrate with a runner on 3rd?
some players are better hitters with 1 strike rather
than 2 strikes. If Cabrera influenced him to swing at something out of the zone he is taking the bat out of his hands. Iguchi didn’t mind hitting with 2ks so Pods could do all the dancing he wanted at 1st or 2nd. JD is not that type of hitter.
"I'm going to mis-remember something, then retro-actively justify my position based off more assumptions, which I reserve the right to further rationalize when presented with a refuting argument"
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One out, guy on 3rd
is easier to drive in than one out, guy on 2nd, IIRC.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
so you're saying you don't even need a hit to score that run?
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I don't believe so,
but I’ll Google that.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
Measure twice, cut once.
The Boogeyman cometh
by omnipotent grab on Jan 31, 2010 6:09 PM CST up reply actions
i guess it's common occurance for semi-fast baserunners to steal
3rd with the middle of your lineup at bat.
I mean if you didn't want them stealing with the middle of your lineup at bat, the only place to put your fast runners is immediately AFTER the middle of the lineup
Twitter: @SouthSideCheat
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I don't mind guys stealing bases, but you have to consider the
situation. Your fast guys at the top get on and let the guys who get paid to drive in runners in scoring position do their job. A single can score a runner from 2nd just as well as if they were at 3rd. And if it does not then 1st and 3rd with 1 out and a pretty good hitter at the plate is not a bad situation to be in if you’re down 1 run.
its not like outs are more likely than hits or anything.
i mean, these guys are paid to drive in runs.
is this an argument for base-cloggers? we never had to worry about thome distracting hitters by trying to steal bases.
Cashing checks and having sex.
In that line of logic
Cabrera was being paid to be an excellent baserunner. Stealing third easily and getting into position to score a tying run without a hit is what Cabrera was being paid to do.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
Unfortunately
That 1st and 3rd with 1 out scenario often led to a 6-4-3 and inning over
The Reds staff can carry them above the Cubs if they stay healthy
(Baker being a key variable) and their offense can’t be overlooked as well. The Pirates have a nice young staff which could improve and build on their slight success. They clearly have some talent as well. I just hope the Cubs overlook those teams and lose both season series. The Brewers clearly lack pitching but they should still be formidable and the Astros are no pushovers as well when healthy. The Cubs are not guranteed anything.
As much as I hate the Cubs,
they are far and away a better team than the Reds and lowly Pirates. The Cardinals should win the division, but look for the Fubs to win about 85-90 games.
Jones,Kotsay,Vizquel < Thome
The cubs are awful.
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 31, 2010 4:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
They have hope on their side.
The Boogeyman cometh
by omnipotent grab on Jan 31, 2010 4:56 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know if you've heard
but this is their year.
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
ITS GONNA HAPPEN!!!!!
The Boogeyman cometh
by omnipotent grab on Feb 1, 2010 6:05 AM CST up reply actions
BELIEVE
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 1, 2010 3:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The Reds have a lot of really talented players on their team.
Jay Bruce, Brandon Phillips, Joey Votto, Volquez, etc. I’m surprised they haven’t put it all together yet. Oh wait…Dusty Baker…gotcha.
"I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production." - Ozzie Guillen
"I'd rather have Rios hit 50 home runs than steal 50 bases. I want to win." - Servant2LordBeckham
by Servant2LordBeckham on Jan 31, 2010 8:09 PM CST up reply actions
you're on the wrong site
who cares about the Cubs?
by jimmyjr on Feb 1, 2010 8:53 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Obviously we'd be making a committment for longer than 1 year......
but for next year (assuming Flowers shows us continued development in 2010) we could have Flowers/Prince Fielder for about the same price as AJ/PK this season…….we make a ton of sense for the Prince and him for us.
Just find a way to trade for him and we'll get it done, Champ.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 31, 2010 7:40 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think it's that insane to think the Sox will make an offer for him as a FA......
Yankees won’t, Boston won’t if they A Gonzalez, then who else….
In addition to the five tools that scouts use to evaluate players, White Sox general manager Ken Williams has added another measuring stick.
Camaraderie.
6th tool
JI
JIM THOME WAS UNAWARES
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by The Cheat on Jan 31, 2010 9:57 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
[Bill James] "class, what is your response"
[Saberslaves] "it cannot be measured therefore it is irrelevant to the point of non-existence.
[James] ’very good, now where is my prozac. I was starting to think we would have to revisit the human condition vs the science of baseball discussion. Now where were we…..((0.72 x NIBB) + (0.75 x HBP) + (0.90 × 1B) + (0.92 x RBOE) + (1.24 × 2B) + (1.56 × 3B) + (1.95 x HR) / PA
I didn't realize Gonzo had replaced Merkin at Whitesox.com
or that Whitesox.com had changed its url to chicagotribune.com. Or that publishing fucking drivel and calling it insight was still cool.
Can we start tracking camaraderie as a stat? Like, “Randy Williams earned his third camarade of the season for lending Andruw Jones fifteen bucks to buy a case of Miller Chill”?
Thank God we got rid of that clubhouse cancer Jim Thome.
He clogged bases only for himself.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 1, 2010 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
who likes podcasts?
i know it’s just the tops with the kids. for some reason, i’ve been chosen as a guest on a twins podcast tonight at 9pm. since i have neither done a podcast before nor even talked to this podcaster, i’m guessing it will be a complete train wreck. so tune in for a potentially awkward discussion about the al central and god knows what else.
this is going to be fucking fantastic
RIP Jim Thome 1-25-2010
an AL team not having a DH is like a giraffe fucking a mule. - larry
Won't be able to listen tonight
But it appears there’s an archive of past episodes so I’ll be able to check it out when he posts it. Excellent. Represent us well sir, and try to sneak a Fuck Nick Punto in there for us.
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
Furthermore, if you consider
Upside, the White Sox, not
Cleveland or Detroit, enter the season
Knowing they can
Play
Upstart in a division
Not really known
To have a whole lot of
Offense
by Sox-35th on Feb 1, 2010 11:15 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Superb. Do it, larry. Pleeeeeeeeeeaze.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Feb 1, 2010 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
Can we call in and ask why Gardy is disrespecting Thome
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Feb 1, 2010 12:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I imagine that is on the top of larry's list.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Feb 1, 2010 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
Why isn't my call going through?
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Feb 1, 2010 6:22 PM CST up reply actions
Patience, grasshoppa! Doesn't the show have to be on, for your call to be taken?
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Feb 1, 2010 6:38 PM CST up reply actions
I figured the lines might be jam packed already
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Feb 1, 2010 6:42 PM CST up reply actions
oh, they were. That was just me, testing it out, making sure I had it ready on speed dial... ;p
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Feb 1, 2010 6:53 PM CST up reply actions
Teh Twinn.
Podcast at your own peril. Nothing good can come of this. Nothing.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
TEH TWINN!
Even the brilliance, arrogance, and thick-skinned-ness of larry is powerless before it. The first “you betcha” and his legs get cut out from under him.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
I love this. Rec'd.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
there i was. all alone on new years day. sipping my coffee, eating my golden grahams. thinking of all the things i would say if i were on a radio show.
And now you have that opportunity.
Sort of. Re: NYD: You know WMAQ couldn’t accept calls from you, right?
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
I didn't want to bring you on if I could not give you enough time to opine.
It’s all about respect, you see…
12 seconds? Too slow and one dimensional
I’m looking for someone who can call me an idiot in 7 seconds. Or five.
I want versaitility in my callers.
i can do that, too.
but i’d rather do it in a way that you can’t tell that i’m calling you an idiot until after my segment has ended. requires 5 seconds more. odds are good you’ll see an example of this tonight.
i'm hoping for coded messages to the SSS faithful
like mentioning beating a dead horse, or berating the host for asking a question you already answered. :)
His name is Rios and he dances on the sand
Do you pour coffee on golden grahams?
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 1, 2010 1:11 PM CST up reply actions
should we have an SSS podtalkthing?
spose we should just see how this goes first. do people listen to podcasts?
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
kenwo should get a 5 minute What-Grinds-My-Gears bit called
KenWo’s Korner
brought to you by Paul Konerko’s shitty fucking approach at the plate.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
i think we should have the show on late at night and close it with HSA.
put everyone right to sleep.
God no.. it'd drag on forever
I’d never get to sleep.. it’d be like that awful movie you see clicking through the channels at 11:30, that you know is terrible, but after you see a few minutes you have to watch the thing just to see how it ends and you’re stuck awake until 2 in the morning.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 1, 2010 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
i see the danger.
well, HSA is out then. i guess we’ll need to bring in tdogg to provide color commentary.
by larry on Feb 1, 2010 1:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Tom Tucker: And now for Tdogg with the SSS forecast. Tdogg?
Tdogg: It’s gon rain.
Tom Tucker: Thanks Tdogg.
by jimmyjr on Feb 1, 2010 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
PR can come on and provide detail analysis
such as the following nuggets: ugh, no, ugh, hmmm, ugh, uh no, and …..UGH!
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Feb 1, 2010 6:39 PM CST up reply actions
She'd be fascinating in questioning the engineer
about what the single flashing phone line light meant, and how to turn up the volume, and mentioning the 7 second delay over and over.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
psssh. I was a certified AV geek in high school...practically ran the TV studio. I know my way around flashing lights and delays and all that, loooser.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Feb 1, 2010 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
trained you well
your craiglist portslut ads are some of the most professional i’ve ever seen
Praise Him!!
No Outrageous Ozzie moments with KenWo?
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
i love it.
i’m pretty sure id do ok. moronic assholes like myself have been making a living talking sports for years now. id be a hit!
Kenwo4life=ratings
Getting your call through to the Mac Jurko and Harry show does not count as "radio experience," Kenwo.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Feb 1, 2010 5:50 PM CST up reply actions
lol first of all that is the wrong channel....
and second of all i worked for mike north, Dan Jiggetts and jagoff boers and bernstein.
Kenwo4life=ratings
North was awesome
Jiggs was one of the nicest guys I’ve ever met. Boers and Bernstein have serious social problems. They don’t know how to treat people with respect.
Kenwo4life=ratings
Liking Mike North should be grounds for felony arrest.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 3, 2010 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
lol i don't get why everyone hates him.
He’s way more of a good dude than Boers and Bernstein are. Those cheap fucks wouldn’t ever spring for lunch or anything. North would always make sure to include us interns in anything. Much more people friendly.
Kenwo4life=ratings
who the fuck is rhubard and what does it have to do with me?
your lucky i am going to the gym right now, if not i would torment you on this internet radio show. you better not fuck this up larry, i will listen to the podcast once it is posted. BTW don’t ever mention those 2 bozos in the same breath as me.
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 1, 2010 8:59 PM CST up reply actions
you aren't as controversial as i am... you don't know baseball as well as i do...
and personally I don’t know why larry or anyone else would mention you and rhubarb with me…. I am in a league of my own. get off my nuts.
Kenwo4life=ratings
billyok is calling from down in the gutter. Welcome to the show.
billyok: I am drink.
Where is the gamethread?!
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Feb 1, 2010 6:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Redundant.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
Jesus Christ, larry, I clicked on "sports" on the reminder and I got this:
http://www.northsidechiromn.com/ourservices.nxg
Have they kidnapped you? Are you being tortured? It looks just like you! If you need us, dammit, we’ll be there!
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
ozzie guillen is a good manager and greg walker is a good hitting coach.
I lived in Chicago for six years (on the North Side … sorry Sox fans) and got to hear from the Blizzard of Ozz on a daily basis for most of that time. He’s never been known for keeping quiet when he has an opinion, which makes him at once entertaining (and how!) and unpredictable. (Others have been less kind in their adjectives.) But these numbers show something else about him. His players are very affected by his mere presence in the dugout. His coaching (or coaches) apparently makes his players better at hitting home runs and taking walks, although that also seems to lead to a higher strikeout rates. Some managers have very little impact on their players overall results, but like him or hate him, you know that you play for Ozzie Guillen.
What’s odd is that Ozzie Guillen was not a great hitter in his day. In fact, he holds the record for the most number of career games started in the ninth position in the batting order, and posted a career line of .264/.287/.338; Ted Williams he was not. Guillen rarely struck out (only 511 times in 7,133 career plate appearances), walked (239), or homered (28). Yet, his players now seem to be much more in line with everything that he was not when he was a player.
I didn’t run the numbers for Ted Williams in his managerial stint. However, I would bet that his numbers would reveal a man who had little effect on his players’ outcomes. Despite being one of the best hitters in the game’s history, Williams felt that he couldn’t impart much in the way of instruction to his hitters. Guillen, on the other hand, appears to have figured out a way to do exactly that and the proof is in the numbers. Guillen will never make the Hall of Fame as a hitter, but if the point of a manager is to have an effect on his players, then Ozzie is probably a much better manager than Ted Williams was.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=10004
No this can't be Ozzie is horrible and should be fired
Ask Kenwo.
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
ozzie is a much better manager than ted williams?
wow … considering ted williams was considered one of the worst managers ever… thats a hell of an accomplishment. ::rolls eyes::
Kenwo4life=ratings
BP is getting a lot out of the new hires
i thought it was going to be some skippable CK wankery.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
I hear you.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
It was a good call.
Did you clean up? I might let it run for a bit.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
still holding. gonna try and see if AMZN wants to rebound back to 125.
Cashing checks and having sex.
Breaking news......
Brady Clark invited to Spring Training per MLB TRADERUMORS…..
Brady Quinn?
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
KLaw likes Miguel Gonzalez too!
Thinks he can make a big leap into the top half of his prospect list next year.
Catcher Miguel Gonzalez has good strike zone coverage with power potential, and he has already shown an above-average arm and good receiving skills. He spent most of 2009 in the Appalachian League, but got a cup of coffee in Triple-A at the end of the season, which speaks to how well the White Sox regard his game.
This is probably a ‘you da man’, but I didn’t see it in this thread, and thought it was relevant.
no, you are not the man. or you are. shit, i can't keep track of this. you the man without sarcasm.
of course, law doesn’t know what he’s talking about with that last point. he was in AAA because they needed someone who could catch and no one else was available.
While I'm in this somewhat playful tangential mood....
while watching my beloved Celtics the last month, I swear to god I’m reliving the 2006 Sox….like, almost over night, getting, losing their mojo, and lord knows what else. You start that bargaining thing in your head with god.
This is exceptional.
So gestalt. Mystery solved! You are either Fritz Perls or Virginia Satir.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
either she's packing under a thong or she has a huge mess down there to dig through
either way, no thank you. but a nice lamp
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i think i know those girls. like 80% sure. anyone know how to find out the source picture?
Cashing checks and having sex.
Are you the guy in the background?
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
those are probably the same highschool girls you invite over to your studio to drink Mikes Hard Lemonade.
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 1, 2010 9:03 PM CST up reply actions
more predator fun
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 2, 2010 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe I didn't make myself clear
Fuck Keith Law
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
by Tdogg on Feb 1, 2010 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
willy taveras DFAed!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go get him KW!!!!!!!!
http://twitter.com/susanslusser/status/8508890712
i love it when people trade for a player and then immediately drop them. so amusing. willy must feel like a real loser today.
We're gonna have Joe Mauer around for a long, long time.
Sources tell WCCO Radio/TV that he’s signed a 10 year deal to stay in Minny.
You are just a fountain of good information today.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
I suppose on the plus side
We’ll have plenty of opportunities to watch potentially one of the best catchers of all time in person.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 1, 2010 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
That Tyler Flowers...
He’s a funny guy.
"I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production." - Ozzie Guillen
"I'd rather have Rios hit 50 home runs than steal 50 bases. I want to win." - Servant2LordBeckham
by Servant2LordBeckham on Feb 1, 2010 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
Looks like iverson lost his nickname.
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 1, 2010 3:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
We're talking about Flowers?
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 1, 2010 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
our "answer" to Mauer, I presume?
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 1, 2010 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
looks like everyone here lost their sarcasm detector.
sucks for u guyz.
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 1, 2010 9:05 PM CST up reply actions
i did.
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 2, 2010 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
I'm thinking we need a podcastthread tonight. Yeah?!?
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
for sure
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 1, 2010 4:47 PM CST up reply actions
flagged.
you are certainly one of the more ridiculous people on this board. ~ larry
by BuehrleMan on Feb 1, 2010 6:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
BRINGIN THE AWESOME TO WHEATIES!
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 1, 2010 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
Where's the podcastthread?
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Feb 1, 2010 8:43 PM CST up reply actions
Whoa hoa hoa
Look at this guy! All asking, “WHERE’S THE PODCASTTHREAD?” Well guess what, dumbfuck, fuck you!! Contributesomethinglish, do you speak that!
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by billyok on Feb 1, 2010 9:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Que?
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Feb 1, 2010 9:31 PM CST up reply actions
I'd keep an eye on Phegley
But that’s my personal “catchers who will probably hit” bias…
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
Dayn Perry says Alex Rios has something to prove:
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/lists/perry-players-with-something-to-prove-013110#sport=MLB&photo=10839904
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
He needs the help.
How many listeners are there?
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
Christ, this guy has the thickest Minnesota accent I've ever heard.
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Nah, larry's OK.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
i think it's
Jerry Lundegaard giving the interview
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
You betcha.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
Podcast
This guy running the Twins podcast is amazingly awful. He’s not even listening to Larry, who is giving good responses, instead choosing to move on to the next scripted question.
Yeah, Larry's handling himself well
Should probably ask himself the questions.. would go better.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 1, 2010 9:16 PM CST up reply actions
I was listening to last week's "show"
after the Vikings’ loss. You think he’s bad tonight, give that gem of a show about 90 seconds.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
yeah this guy spits hot fire
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
by colintj on Feb 1, 2010 9:19 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
yeah he's been talking about the album for a while
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
"I haven't even warmed up the pipes yet."
“OK, I’ll do it.”
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Sounds like an NBA player.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
Thank Christ he's not a litigator.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
Fidel.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
Raul
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Feb 1, 2010 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
Castro?
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Feb 1, 2010 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
Completely worth registering..
Would be great if they ask it.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 1, 2010 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
"My ire."
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
My spanglish is pooty goo
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Feb 1, 2010 9:24 PM CST up reply actions
Hilarious. Way to draw the ire.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Feb 2, 2010 5:15 PM CST up reply actions
When are we getting a weekly podcast from our editors?
It’s time we caught up with technology.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 1, 2010 9:24 PM CST reply actions
you're lucky to get a weekly post
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
What a great set of questions.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
"Turrible".
larry is Barkley.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
larry and Ozzie just joined at the hip
with their Twinn love. Fuckers.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
Seriously..
What happens if he goes solo? Larry is carrying him.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 1, 2010 9:26 PM CST up reply actions
Step up and help larry out
Ask a question about CJ, like is just a player or is he a ballplayer?
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Feb 1, 2010 9:27 PM CST up reply actions
circumstances have changed, Jerry!
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
by colintj on Feb 1, 2010 9:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
ftr, i pretty much agree with larry
as far as projected wins.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
Basement.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
"I gotta let you get out of here" means
“get the fuck off my show, seamhead”.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
LOL at scotty ballgame
“How good will the white sox offense be now that they got rid of base cloggers like Jim Thome”
RIP Jim Thome 1-25-2010
an AL team not having a DH is like a giraffe fucking a mule. - larry
what about his tweeter account or his email address
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
Alright, WU. I'm taking you up on your 90-second challenge.
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I made it all the way through
Though I did want to pat him on the back.
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LOL.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
This is the best thread of the year.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
"Thanks for having me, Travis."
How quaint.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
seriously. what happened to
i hope you drown in front of your children?
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
He could've used it.
Probably would’ve gone unnoticed.
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Especially if said cordially.
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Seriously, Jim,
I’ve found magazine/newspaper columnists incrdibly inept at listening during interviews I’ve had. Hasn’t changed in 15-20 years.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
must be tough being so famous
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
LOL.
It is interesting, though, to read something that supposedly is attributed to you and knowing how incorrect the quotes are. I was amazed at how bad it was the first time I spoke with our local newspaper’s columnists.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
actually i've heard the same from my uncle
apparently getting journalists to take the story you give them is damned near impossible.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
Like I've said
good journalism=sleazebaggery
by Daniel Berlyn on Feb 1, 2010 9:52 PM CST up reply actions
you're raising Jim's ire
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
It's harder than you think.
Especially when on deadline. Takes a buttload of practice. I don’t know how old this guy is, but if he’s 18 or whatever, I give him credit for trying it.
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I bet it is.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
if you've got scripted questions
i’m sure its difficult to listen for answers, you’re probably more focused on asking your next question
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
i think he's only been doing it about a month and a half.
some of us didn’t go to highfalutin journalism schools.
Seriously, how did he come to ask you to do the interview?
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
Good show.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
I don't know what I'd rather major in less
every career with writing seems to be a middle finger these days
by Daniel Berlyn on Feb 1, 2010 9:46 PM CST up reply actions
Well, we all can't.
But the “you knows” made me think he was younger.
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it's not an easy gig.
we make fun of broadcasters all the time. it’s tough to keep those things out of it. fuck it, i had a good time.
You gave good answers.
Better than I do in recorded Q&As. I tend to say everything in one breath.
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You know your subject matter, are passionate about it,
and can string sentences together quite well. You are a good interview.
Stay away from TV, though.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
*WINK*
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by Sox Machine on Feb 1, 2010 9:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
My college radio tapes are so bad they burst into flames
They’re in a box somewhere. I have no desire to listen.
10 years later – I’m slightly better.
He's a Libra?
I think I’m in love.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
I always knew you two....uh, nevermind
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by Scotty Ballgame on Feb 1, 2010 9:43 PM CST up reply actions
My wife is a Libra.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
that's supposed to reassure me?
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
would you believe
it was an appletini in a salt rimmed glass?
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
he killed 30 minutes doing that?
we could probably do that.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
Probably?
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
we'd have to get some kind of recording device
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
Soome of us have such instruments
AND KNOW HOW TO MANIPULATE THEM SUCCESSFULLY.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
you're just mad i beat you to the punchline
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
You are raising my ire.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
That's going to last all season..
by Grinder in Training on Feb 1, 2010 9:33 PM CST up reply actions
I know I would've said
“they’re really getting my dander up”.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
All I know is
We’re going to see a joke about ire being raised at least once a game any time something goes poorly. And I don’t see it getting old.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 1, 2010 9:35 PM CST up reply actions
They are far from the cat's pajamas.
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Let's make a big Skype chat.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
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by Ozzie Montana on Feb 2, 2010 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
Definitely..
Special guests like Scotty Ballgame to bring the hard hitting questions to liven shows up. It’d be great.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 1, 2010 9:31 PM CST up reply actions
No shit.
Less than two balls.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
this is what my wife said to someone
“i can hear larry on the phone in the other room using his professional voice. it’s very amusing.”
I was impressed that you held back some of that ire
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by Scotty Ballgame on Feb 1, 2010 9:39 PM CST up reply actions
RUN, EVERYONE!
larry’s IRE IS GONNA BLOW!!!!!!!!!!
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
Suck up law student.
Oh, sure he’s gonna give you a letter of recommendation.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
oh yah way to go der lar
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
by colintj on Feb 1, 2010 9:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Nice Job
Pre-cursor to the SSS Weekly Podcast?
by Grinder in Training on Feb 1, 2010 9:42 PM CST up reply actions
When he botched "that Cuban guy's" name
I thought you were gonna tear him a new one. You’re usually not that patient with douchebags like him.
currently sigless
He might want the opportunity to be interviewed again.
You never know where good media graces will lead you. larry handled himself very well.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
travis sounds like he's on horse tranquilizers.
you are certainly one of the more ridiculous people on this board. ~ larry
Larry will you be making the rounds?
And if there is a AL Central round table this year are we invited?
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
Ann Curry's stuck in the NYT elevator
Hope you like guest-hosting.
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wait, I thought you enjoyed billy with your coffee?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Feb 2, 2010 7:49 AM CST up reply actions
apparently jj putz is not the only person who thinks the mets don't know what the hell they're doing.
he blames them for the way they handled his injury.
“It was a mess from the beginning,” Putz said of last season. He also said the Mets told him to lie to the media about the severity of the injury.
you are certainly one of the more ridiculous people on this board. ~ larry
i think i meant to title that
something like in addition to a lot of people, jj putz says the mets don’t know what the hell they’re doing.
it’s awfully early. i’m confused.
you are certainly one of the more ridiculous people on this board. ~ larry
they never gave him a physical and then told him to keep hush about the injury
How does Omar still have a job?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Feb 2, 2010 7:46 AM CST up reply actions
seconded.
i left this open at the office, so it doesn’t show new comments.
Cashing checks and having sex.
No kidding.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Feb 2, 2010 9:13 AM CST up reply actions
I'm late to the party, but I enjoyed the podcast, larry
Well, your answers anway…

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