MLB Expansion Plan: or How I Chose to Spend My Day Off
by U-God on Jan 4, 2010 7:00 PM CST
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Just about a week ago, this article popped up in Yahoo's Big League Stew. While I hope Major League Baseball does not expand again, it at least makes for a decent conversation piece in the dead of winter when very little seems to be happening. Out of boredom, I decided to create my own expansion plan. I reject the idea of adding a third team to New York, as it seems pointless and could only hurt the Mets. I instead propose adding two new teams to the American League in states that currently lack a major league baseball team. This would make the NL and AL have an even number of teams and allow MLB to prosper in two new cities.
As you may have been able to discern from my fantastic map (thank you MS Paint), I added franchises in Portland and Memphis. Sorry Las Vegas, I just don't see it happening. Baseball is way too scared of the image a pro team in Vegas would conjure up.
I chose Memphis for a few reasons. Memphis is the 3rd largest city in the Southeast and the 19th largest in the country. This would place a team in a city bigger than all but 12 current clubs' cities. The city's location allows MLB to pull in new fans from areas formerly far away from a major team; such as Western Kentucky, Arkansas, Alabama, and Tennessee itself. The only potential problem is that the St. Louis Cardinals' AAA affiliate, the Memphis Redbirds, already are established in the city. This is bound to happen in almost any major city that could possibly support an expansion team though.
Portland may seem like less obvious of a choice, as the Mariners already give MLB a presence in the Pacific Northwest. Portland is the third largest city in this region and the 29th largest in the country, immediately behind Las Vegas but still ahead of 11 other current MLB cities like St. Louis, Cleveland, and Cincinatti. Over the last ten years, Portland's population growth has outpaced the national average. The city is growing, which would result in a chance to grab up more fans as the area booms. Portland suffers the same problem as Memphis though, as the San Diego Padres have their AAA team, the Portland Beavers, in town.
Division Realignments
Adding two new teams would force the divisions to realign again. I basically used the NFL as my template for this, since it already has 32 teams. I believe that splitting the leagues into four divisions each makes the most sense, as otherwise the issue of non-even divisions remains. The only negative to this is the elimination of the wild card, as the playoffs would now comprise of the eight division winner. I chose not to follow the NFL's 12 playoff team model with first-round byes as then the baseball season wouldn't end until mid-to-late-November, and that's no good. I did my best to keep certain traditional rivalries together. Here are the new divisions and the teams in them.
AL West: Seattle, Portland, Oakland, Los Angeles
AL Central: Minnesota, Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland
AL East: Toronto, New York, Boston, Baltimore
AL South: Texas, Tampa Bay, Kansas City, Memphis
NL West: Arizona, Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Diego
NL Central: Colorado, Chicago, St. Louis, Milwaukee
NL East: New York, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Cincinatti
NL South: Florida, Atlanta, Houston, Washington
The only one that felt weird to me was Colorado, but where else could the Rockies go that would feel any better? I don't advocate expansion as it would further dilute the talent pool, but if it was going to happen I'd like it to be like this. KW needs to do something, as the lull in activity results in weird articles like this.
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OK. No comprende:
Memphis is the 3rd largest city and the 19th largest in the country
Otherwise, interesting to discuss as a time-killer, but it ain’t gonna happen in this economy.
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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
it shouldn't happen in this economy
but couldn’t a prospective ownership team bribe memphis city officials and woo the locals with promise of additional revenue for the city years down the road? it’s been done before.
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Jan 4, 2010 8:00 PM CST up reply actions
I went to the Civil Rights game in Memphis before last season started.
The Redbirds park is really nice, and I think they could support a MLB team there. The best part was they retired the number of ‘Stubby Clapp’ with his name on the wall as well as the proclamation that he is ‘the mayor of memphis’. What a great baseball name. Easily my favorite Canadian.
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by colintj on Dec 29, 2009 1:15 PM CST
Friggin' great name.
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by homesickalien on Jan 5, 2010 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
Gotta Disagree
Memphis is doing pretty damn good right now. They are built on shipping and distribution right now. I’d say if we do see an expansion its here or Portland (which has the largest baseball viewership of any city without a major league team)
You are a lunatic.
Atlanta/GA have had more banks fail than anywhere in the country. The South is getting hammered. FedEx laid off 1000 folks in March and are still having issues. Nashville may have some good businesses, but development has been a big part of their economy, and it is dead.
Portland is a different story, though their real estate market is taking it in the shorts.
Bottom line, it ain’t pretty enough nowhere to take the risk of expansion.
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BA, Fields and other AAA players over the
Age of 25 whole heartedly endorse this. Me, not so much. I’d be in favor of contraction. Florida and Pittsburgh seem like good places to start if you want to even out the leagues.
by Duck99 on Jan 4, 2010 7:17 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Took the words right out of my mouth.
Only I would start with Cleveland and Pittsburgh. Marlins have a cool hat and won a couple of titles.
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 5, 2010 2:00 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
This is very interesting
I was thinking about this the other day, and I understand your point of the MLB never adding a team in Las Vegas, but how about adding a team in New Orleans? New Orleans I think would be a great place for a bseball team, but I would recommend them to get a dome for sure. I would want to see a team in Brooklyn, but I just don’t ever see that happening
New Orleans would work
it just isn’t as big as the other two which is the main reason i skipped on it. it also has a AAA team, the zephyrs for florida. it would be a solid alternative to memphis in my mind.
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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
I just cut this from my other post:
I dont think Portland would cut it. The Mariners can’t even outdraw the MLS team in Seattle, and Portland is a smaller city that is even more granola. Maybe Raleigh or New Orleans would be a better choice.
Raleigh blew up as far as population in the late 90s, I dont know where it stands now, but that whole area of the state is one big expanse of suburbs. They could probably support a club there.
I like the post too, U-God.
Thanks for the original content.
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by colintj on Dec 29, 2009 1:15 PM CST
Raleigh
I had the exact same thought… North Carolina in general has been (and will probably continue to be) one of the biggest winners in the modern economy. There’s definitely the money/population there to support a team.
U-God, were the population ranks you mentioned for cities or metro areas? Not to nitpick (I love the post), but that’s a big point. (if I weren’t on mobile I’d look it up myself!)
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by KarkoviceIsHawt on Jan 4, 2010 8:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
just cities
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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
you have a BP script?
pretty sure Nate Silver went into the question of market size a couple years back. I’m sure it’d be mostly relevant.
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unfortunately i don't
asked for one for christmas, no such luck
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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
I spent a week in North Carolina last year
And I’m not quite feeling it. Charlotte had zero desire to build a downtown stadium for the Knights, and the Triangle doesn’t seem to have an epicenter conducive to drawing well. I was a little disappointed by it all.
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thats why i referred to it as one big swath of suburbs.
the population and cheese is there, just no soul.
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by colintj on Dec 29, 2009 1:15 PM CST
Definitely wouldn't happen in Charlotte.
Unless you enjoy nature / hiking, etc.. you probably wouldn’t like the area too much. I don’t see how they’d be able to support a major league baseball team.
I’d think Memphis, Portland, Las Vegas, Brooklyn, would all be better choices.
Does Oklahoma City want another team? Don’t know the area, but they seem to support the basketball team pretty well. I realize it’s completely different, but at least they’ve proven they can support one team.
by Grinder in Training on Jan 5, 2010 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
If they did this, I would just add an AL Central and AL West team
Indianapolis, Omaha, New Orleans, Nashville, and Charlotte are other cities that could feasibly hold a team.
Media market
Don’t know too much about media markets, but it seems like Omaha and Indy would have very little tv/radio money to offer. (although they’re fine-sized cities, they don’t have too much around them).
Anybody work in national media/know more than me talking out of my ass?
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by KarkoviceIsHawt on Jan 4, 2010 8:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
For Omaha, the thought was that the love of baseball and need for professional sports would fuel the team.
It would also be a nice complement to the College World Series, creating strong baseball fans. That’s just intuition, though.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 4, 2010 9:01 PM CST up reply actions
agree with soxfanatic, would stake the big easy over memphis
i’d rather vegas than portland, but don’t see MLB having the balls to do so. which major tier league will be the first to have a franchise there?
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
true, things did work so well for them when they had that all-star game there
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
I don't know about the finances, but the event itself was a disaster.
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by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 6, 2010 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
All have great ideas
My number one choice would as of right now probably be Las Vegas, but I dont see MLB doing that, therefore I think Memphis, Portland, and New Orleans, maybe even Omaha are some possibilites. The problem is I see four good candidates, however most likely there are probably only two openings
Vegas would be fuckin sweet
SSS meetup over a weekend when the Sox play… I don’t even want to imagine lol
already planning on the sox/cubs ST tilt there. then back home for hawks/ducks, hawks/kings the middle of the next week.
chicago-tastic.
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i'd rather keep the 3 divisions and the wild card
put portland (or vegas) in the West and put Memphis in the Central (if NO it could be east or central). This way you keep the wild card and the AL would have the same divisional break-up that the NL has currently.
bird law in this country is not ruled by reason
I think the biggest issue with the elimination of the Wild Card is its impact on the AL East
Why even bother being a Toronto or Baltimore fan if you know what you will never win? Hell, even for Boston it would mean going to the playoffs a lot less likely.
i haaaate more divisions
the more divisions, the more discrepancies between the best teams and the actual teams in the playoffs.
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by colintj on Jan 4, 2010 8:22 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
good point.
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by colintj on Dec 29, 2009 1:15 PM CST
go back to two divisions, american league and national league.
8 teams per league and the winner from each league plays each other in the world series. cut back to 154 games and play 12 sunday doubleheaders. season starts mid april and the world series ends in mid October. we had it right and you kids fucked it up.
tickets should cost about $3.50.
MLB would never give up the expected
Yankee and Red Sox playoff appearances from year to year. Wild Card has to stay. Nice post.
"Oh well back to work"
I went to the 2008 Civil Rights game in Memphis to get my White Sox v. Mets fix
And while it was a weird crowd — dedicated mets fans, dedicated white sox fans, freaks who like both teams and a lot of people who were merely curious — it was a great time. I’d love more games there so I support that notion. Not that I need an MLB team to go back to Memphis but it never hurts.
Also I’m in Indianapolis enough times a year, and while their minor league team and Indians stadium is a charming destination, I wouldn’t mind a baseball rivalry with my business friends (yes, I have business friends, I’m a business man) there. Though it would also nullify my, “How’s your MLB team doing? Oh, you don’t have one? Really? That’s weird! I mean, we have two of them and you can get one, huh” taunt whenever they bring up Super Bowl XLI.
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I happened to be in the Civil Rights museum when the Sox showed up the day before.
I said whats up to Jenks and my wife ran back through the place to ogle JD.
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by colintj on Dec 29, 2009 1:15 PM CST
I hope she didn't think he was an exhibit
Because you know Jermaine’s too nice to say anything
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and heres a statue of Jermaine Dye and his white old lady to show how far things have come!
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by colintj on Dec 29, 2009 1:15 PM CST
Also:
One of the better National Anthem renderings (courtesy Bebe Winans) I’ve ever had the privilege of hearing in person
And also, why does MLB refuse to bring the Mets to the Cell?
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yeah that was good.
My dads mug was plastered on ESPN coming out of the break, and my profile was on there as they panned out.
My 15 frames of fame.
hat on backwards + elvis glasses = cool
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by colintj on Dec 29, 2009 1:15 PM CST
I'd also throw in big-ish corporations in the area
Gotta sell them luxury boxes
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by KarkoviceIsHawt on Jan 4, 2010 9:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
corporations in the areas
memphis: fedex, autozone, international paper, thomas & betts
portland: intel, adidas, nike, columbia sportswear, and precision cast parts
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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
Do you think a Portland team
would have Nike design a different uniform for basically every game, just like Oregon State?
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by KarkoviceIsHawt on Jan 5, 2010 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
do you mean Oregon?
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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
Yes.
Yes I did.
(I could’ve sworn it was Oregon State that did that, though).
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by KarkoviceIsHawt on Jan 5, 2010 5:51 PM CST up reply actions
I watch it when my daughter isn't watching it.
Heinz Doofenshmertz is the Next Big Cartoon.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
yeah, I too watch it alone
the creator wrote for Family Guy originally.
His name is Rios and he dances on the sand
metro areas
portland is 23rd, between pittsburgh and cincy. memphis is 41st, between jacksonville and louisville.
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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
per capita incomes
portland: 22,643. memphis: 37,792
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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
Portland is that low??
Wouldn’t have guessed that, my impression of Portland may be a bit off of reality.
by Grinder in Training on Jan 5, 2010 9:23 AM CST up reply actions
I've only spent a day in Portland
but given the amount of cardboard “NEED TICKET 4 BUSS RIDE” signs I saw in the course of that day, I figured it would be closer to $0
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I guess I always lumped it in with Seattle..
I don’t know why I thought they were doing well there.
by Grinder in Training on Jan 5, 2010 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
you have per capita income for portland and household income for memphis.
portland is higher in both than memphis.
Biggest MSA in the country without a major league sports franchise?
Hampton Roads/Norfolk, VA. Think they’re clamoring for more baseball at the navy yards? The Tides do well enough for Triple-A.
We’ve kind of maxed this country out. Let’s go to a different one. Or get rid of some teams.
Mexico City would be awesome
The altitude is like 7,350 feet. Curveballs would be absolutely impossible and a well-placed bunt might very well clear the outfield walls.
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by KarkoviceIsHawt on Jan 5, 2010 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
It was a degree of jest
Any time Selig (or Stern) (or Goodell) talks about international expansion it’s a ploy, and a cynical one at that to sell jerseys abroad. My point was that there just aren’t any viable markets left to expand into.
You want the safest bet for an MLB team outside of the US in the next 50 years? La Habana.
Waaaaaaay out on a limb here
But if there were ever a way to make Concorde-like supersonic jets economically feasible in the next fifty years, I wonder if we’d ever see an Asian team (or more likely, division) in MLB. Or at least see the WBC evolve into something more like the Champions League.
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by KarkoviceIsHawt on Jan 5, 2010 10:15 AM CST up reply actions
Already happened
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by KarkoviceIsHawt on Jan 5, 2010 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
There were serious talks about moving the Expos to Norfolk.
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by KarkoviceIsHawt on Jan 5, 2010 9:50 AM CST up reply actions
Was that the case?
I thought that there were actual discussions about stadium funding, investors, etc. (At least the folks from Norfolk thought they were serious).
But I don’t doubt that my recollection is way off.
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by KarkoviceIsHawt on Jan 5, 2010 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
i'm sure they thought they had a chance.
and mlb obviously needed a back-up plan. but mlb, and selig in particular, were not going to continue the lack of baseball in DC. it was – and would have continued to be – silly to not have a team in one of the largest and most affluent markets in the country.
Peter Angelos shits chickenwire if somebody tries to open a Pony League park within 500 miles of Baltimore.
I can’t imagine what kind of wrangling had to happen for him to allow the Nat’ls to move to DC (probably a promise that they wouldn’t be competitive in his lifetime). He would chain himself to the bulldozers before he allowed a team in Virginia.
He can save himself the effort, though.
and you'd be right.
there’s the minimum franchise valuation of the orioles that mlb guaranteed if he ever sold the orioles.
i know what you mean.
and i know that people sometimes get into trouble for lying to congress about such things. the valuation guarantee angelos received was a pretty valuable thing at the time.
My brother lived in Norfolk for a year during the "negotiation" process
Never seemed promising to him.
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Who cares about hurting the Mets?
New Jersey or Brooklyn would definitely draw. Going into a Portland/Memphis when there are already struggling franchises like KC puts MLB at the risk of an NHL-like overexpansion.
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right, a third NYC team is viable
How about Brooklyn and Portland. They can meet in the All-Hipster Series.
Great topic, BTW. Although I think contraction is a better idea.
His name is Rios and he dances on the sand
Seattle would HAVE to be host to the All-Hipster Series.
I just puked thinking about the consolidation of those fucks.
Maybe Deathcab For Cutie could play during the 7th-inning stretch.
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by homesickalien on Jan 5, 2010 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
old dcfc
is the shit.
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 5, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
You're right. A steaming pile of it.
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by homesickalien on Jan 5, 2010 12:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
better than marilyn manson.
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 5, 2010 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
stunning arguement WTGTD- Better than Lawrence Welk too...
But I do agree with you about DCFC. HSA is obviously suffering from an accute attack of poor taste…
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by DrEmilioLizardo on Jan 5, 2010 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
Yep. Must be.
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 5, 2010 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
Or embittered by the time spend amongst the hipsters...
At least she has not gone native.
There's Your Zagnut!!!
by DrEmilioLizardo on Jan 5, 2010 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
I was also thinking about this topic and thought maybe San Antonio as well as Salt Lake City. However I am
assuming the Rockies would have the market share and I’m not sure Mormons like baseball.
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Forget Charlotte
I been living down here for 21 years. Charlotte can’t support MLB. Hell, Bob Johnson wants to sell The Bobcats already, in this alleged hotbed of basketball. The powers that be think that everything is supposed to be downtown where there’s no place to park and no real good place to put it. They tore down the Coliseum just because it didn’t have enough luxury boxes in it.
When did Charlotte migrate West or South?
I don’t think the Sunbelt gets any snow. Charlotte does.
But your statement, in a general sense, is correct, at least in FL. Except basketball in this cow town, when competitive, draws a crowd. Otherwise college sports rule the day.
I think it’s tough for people to develop a loyalty to a pro team when(good/great) college teams have their hearts/wallets.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
Outside of the nicer inner city of Charlotte
No real difference w/ the rest of the Sunbelt.
by Grinder in Training on Jan 5, 2010 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
Charlotte is most definitely part of the Sun Belt
It’s got nothing to do with weather.
Betting on the Sun Belt is what damn near killed the NHL; the NFL is doing gangbusters in No. Florida. Like Catdaddy said, Carolina has been toxic for the NBA even though it’s a basketball-crazy state. Atlanta’s the obvious outlier. The college thing has a lot to do with it, but there’s more to it than that. Where are our cultural demographers?
NFL in N. FL (Jax?) going gangbusters?
Says who?
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
I just wiki'ed it.
You are correct, sir. I had no idea the Queen City was considered part of my region. I learn so much on this site.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
It's an awful place.
Well.. miserable area, the city itself is fine.
by Grinder in Training on Jan 5, 2010 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
North Cackalacka is borderline sunbelt
But I don’t really think it takes a ‘cultural demographer’ to recognize the obvious issues with trying to expand ice hockey into the South.
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by KarkoviceIsHawt on Jan 5, 2010 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
although i can't see this happening
(and i don’t remember the specifics of his idea) i remember reading something bill james said (i want to say in the book “the mind of bill james” but i really can’t recall) about disconnecting the minor league teams from their major league affiliiation and just having a couple hunrdred professional teams.
i don’t know if he favored a system like european soccer where teams could move between levels or not. anyone ever heard this before? please feel free to confirm/clarify.
the suck is not just a river in ireland.
Not that I think it'd ever happen, but would be fun
If teams like the Royals and the Pirates got the boot for being awful and the minor league teams took their spots.
At least they’d have something to play for at the end of the year, would make things a lot more interesting.
by Grinder in Training on Jan 5, 2010 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
Memphis City Population is misleading
I was visiting friends in Memphis recently, and they told us about how the city borders of Memphis are ridiculously large. Almost all the suburbs are actually part of the city proper, instead of being separate towns like most other metro areas do.
So, when you look at the city/size of the City of Memphis, it looks comparatively large; but when you look at the total metro area (which is what you really care about in this discussion), it’s much smaller in comparison.
And Memphis is a poop-hole, as mick pointed out.
And it touches Mississippi. Yecch.
Good blues and BBQ, though.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
If Beale Street could talk...
It would scream.
There's Your Zagnut!!!
by DrEmilioLizardo on Jan 5, 2010 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
Actually, for baseball you want to look at the DMA
which is the number of TV households in the metro area. Memphis with a DMA rank of 50? That’ll never happen in baseball.
The NFL can get away with putting teams in cities with relatively low DMA’s because their TV revenues are almost all purely national.
The other factor is proximity to other MLB markets. Indianapolis would never get a team because they’d cannibalize attendance from Cincinatti and St. Louis.
No animals were harmed during the making of this comment.
Perhaps.
The NBA might be the example to follow here.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
Jacksonville's probably a good comp
They have trouble drawing for the Jags because their city size is misleading. Gigantic borers, no surrounding area.
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they arent that boring.
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by colintj on Dec 29, 2009 1:15 PM CST
You obviously haven't been to Jacksonville.
by Grinder in Training on Jan 5, 2010 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
I have.
It’s HUGE from an acreage standpoint. And broke. Unless they draft Tebow I can’t see the team sticking around another 5 years.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
Agreed..
And he’ll have to perform very well at that (something I’m not sure he can do), otherwise that bump for a couple years won’t be enough.
by Grinder in Training on Jan 5, 2010 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
Actually I have.
Went to several Jags game, its nice pregaming then taking the boat over to the stadium.
Maybe the locals are boring, but the crew I had with me from Savannah made for a good time.
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by colintj on Dec 29, 2009 1:15 PM CST
BorDers.
As in legendary White Sox catcher Pat.
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Yeah
Every city in the New South is pretty much like that. Jacksonville is, surprisingly, the largest city in the country (geographically).
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by KarkoviceIsHawt on Jan 5, 2010 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
Not a bad idea
If the Detroit metro counties would have done that, perhaps it would be a pre-apocalyptic (or at least presently-apocalyptic) hellhole, rather than the Mad Max situation they have going on there now.
White Sox fan; Jeppson's Malort man
by KarkoviceIsHawt on Jan 5, 2010 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
and here I want to secede from Cook County...
logic's been dead
kenwo shoots from his hip and thinks with his gut.
by colintj on Dec 29, 2009 1:15 PM CST
Indy is blacked out on MLB network
for Chicago, St Louis and Cincinatti games. My guess is that if a franchise got placed here the owner would have to kick back rights fees to all four teams ala Angelos’ deal. Cinci would probably get the biggest cut, but the others would have their hands out too.
No animals were harmed during the making of this comment.
I'm only 30 minutes away from Manchester
75000 in for the game on Sunday, which we won, we could have taken 30000, 9000 tickets went in seconds.
DMA my arse, these places just don’t seem to have the appetite for live sport
baseball plays almost everyday, you know.
i think even manchester united might have difficulty selling 75K tickets for 81 home games.
Not if they provided alcohol.
And more dole money. Lazy wankers.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
The regional blackout map is a key factor here
it’s a stupid factor, but a huge one…
Each team controls a large swath of land and broadcast area right. The Memphis area, for instance, is claimed by 6 different teams… That’s a lot of teams who can block an expansion.
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this may be the most retarded post ever u-god...
seriously? this is the best you could come up with? expansion? maybe you should be talking more about contraction/relocation… why do i see larry posting? IS THIS BACKWARDS DAY???
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 5, 2010 12:04 PM CST reply actions
b.o.
dont forget how priceless that map in general is.
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 5, 2010 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
This is a nice topic, Udog, thanks.
Knowing how the Pac NW is regarding sports, I don’t think Portland is the answer.
As gus said, the Mariners play second fiddle to their MLS team, even after only having an MLS team for one stinkin’ season so far. And Portland is more granola.
It may be far-fetched, but I sort of feel like the lack of interest in baseball in a place like Seattle/Portland, is the fact that people who live in these places are really active and outdoorsy in the summers. Watching baseball every day here is tough when there is so much to do in nature. I used to bring my computer outside every evening to strap it down for the Sox, but even that kept me from doing my favorite after work activity of disc-golfing, for example.
That said, I think the best location would be an Omaha or Oklahoma City team.
I work with that region of the US for my job, and it seems like those folks have a lot of spare time to invest in sports and could conjure some excitement for an MLB team.
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
"my favorite after work activity of disc-golfing"
hippie.
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Jan 5, 2010 12:57 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh yeah. Don't like hiking, don't like golf, but throw a disc in the mix and I'm so game. You should SEE my regular course here! It's insane. (Hear CA has some great ones too).
On my trip home in May, I hit up some courses in Chicagoland, and was very disappointed at how elementary they were.
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 5, 2010 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
This one time, on the disc golf course,
I drove my disc, which had to fly over a walking path on its way to this particular basket.
Well, obviously, a driven disc is moving really fast. Not to mention, drivers are made of a pretty hard plastic. Those things will leave a fatty welt/bruise if you get hit by one.
At that very second, a couple teenage boys appeared over the hill, walking down the path. The one kid saw the disc coming at him, but his reaction was all wrong. Instead of stopping and taking it in the stomach (or moving laterally as to avoid it entirely), his instinct was to jump…
Which caused the soaring disc to hit him square in the nuts. Direct hit. Could not have been staged more perfectly than this.
It was magically funny to witness.
fin.
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 5, 2010 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
More fun than Band Camp, eh?
There's Your Zagnut!!!
by DrEmilioLizardo on Jan 5, 2010 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
rofl
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 5, 2010 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
2010 worst story of the year award goes to...
HSA!
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 5, 2010 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
Too Soon, man...
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by DrEmilioLizardo on Jan 5, 2010 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
hmmm...if you saw this scene in some retarded slapstick movie, you'd be in stitches. This happened in real life, unstaged, and the story sucks. Gotcha.
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 5, 2010 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
On America's Funniest Crotch Shots tonight....
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by DrEmilioLizardo on Jan 5, 2010 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
Anyone who professes to be too good for nutshots is no friend of mine
though personally, i’m more partial to watching someone take a good tumble down the ol’ stairs
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People falling on ice cracks me up...
There's Your Zagnut!!!
by DrEmilioLizardo on Jan 5, 2010 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
...but you've never laughed at any of the countless nut shots you've seen. Right.
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 5, 2010 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
Whoa, Nellie!
I never claimed to not enjoy that humor, nor was I ragging on your story. If I offended you or killed your dog somehow, I am sorry.
There's Your Zagnut!!!
by DrEmilioLizardo on Jan 5, 2010 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
FYI
Guys do not find nut shots funny. Imagine being in child birth and getting sucker-punched in the nose. That’s how it feels. Plus I was just kidding about your story, although you saying “this one time” forced me to rag on it. Haha.
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 5, 2010 6:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I find nut shot shots hilarious.
Because it’s not happening to me.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
If you get hit in the Nards, I will fall over laughing, as you fall over in pain.
Humor- is a evolutionary response to someone else’s pain- cant be funny without a kernel of truth/pain involved.(except Billyok- who is so fraking surreal he just makes me laugh)
There's Your Zagnut!!!
by DrEmilioLizardo on Jan 5, 2010 8:36 PM CST up reply actions
Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall into a manhole and die.
- Mel Brooks
by The Actual El Guapo on Jan 5, 2010 8:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Genius!
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 6, 2010 9:04 AM CST up reply actions
The fact that YOU think I'M bizarre
means my work is done here
onto the next challenge — be well everyone
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Dude. I put that in there on purpose, to acknowledge the dorkiness of the story with the band camp reference. I never talk like that. That's why I put it on its own line.
Yet you found Dr E. L’s comment hysterical…even though he was just pointing out what I had done with subtle intention.
Regardless, I’m not offended by you not liking any particular story of mine, even if you genuinely meant it. So whatevah. ;)
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 6, 2010 9:03 AM CST up reply actions
I am still pissed at you for not contributing to my most recent double R posting.
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 7, 2010 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, but that's over almost as soon as it begins
with a nutshot, that pain lingers and lingers.
and the stairs! forget about it. the face someone makes as they suddenly realize they’ve forgotten how to walk like a six-year-old. the numerous vain attempts to grab anything and stop the fall as they tumble away. the eventual acceptance and bracing for impact. the loud noises, the scene it makes. and the powerful shame they feel as they get up and walk away as if pretending nothing happened will convince all who witnessed it that they didn’t fall down a fucking flight of stairs*. It’s wonderful.
*also applies to treadmills.
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Yeah, that's certainly a good time for most involved. Seeing someone fall UP the stairs can also be rewarding.
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 5, 2010 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
I love that stuff.
The Stooges were geniuses!
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
you all just missed a tremendous kick in the sack. (a bicycle kick no less)
copa del rey, barcelona v sevilla. on espn360 now if you have access. somewhere around the 35th-40th minute of the first half.
the suck is not just a river in ireland.
If you had said "a humiliating kick in the crotch"
I’d have thought you a poet.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Jan 5, 2010 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
wrecked....for the musical reference.
There's Your Zagnut!!!
by DrEmilioLizardo on Jan 5, 2010 8:37 PM CST up reply actions
Most disc courses are completely free and maintained by the loyal players of the course.
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 5, 2010 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
yikes. I don't think I'd pay...that's part of the appeal to me.
This is one of the holes on my favorite course. There is rarely a straight-shooting, unobstructed hole…maybe one on the whole course, and even that is surrounded on both sides by trecherous brush, creek, forest, thorns, etc.
Hard to tell by the picture, but the basket is all the way at the bottom right against those trees (about 350 ft away) – the launching pad is atop a cliff of sorts, and to throw it off, to either side of the target, results in a LOT of hunting for the disc, as the hole is entirely surrounded by thick forest, even the whole way down the face of the cliff…. so to throw it short, you’re effed too.
If you’re familiar with the flight patterns of discs, you can imagine how challenging it can be to throw distance downhill like this. (I often opt for a shorter, but straight drive by tomahawking the disc, holding it with my thumb on the ridge so it does a sweet flop and drop…but that’s not an option unless your overhand arm is good enough to pass the cliff face).
Chicagoland courses I played were just grass and flat. Holes averaged 150-250 ft. A few trees, but nothing where the basket wasn’t visible from the launching pad or anything… just not much of a challenge. Nor a hike even. It usually takes me 2 hours to play my usual course at a decent pace.
Out of curiosity, in what way is the Madison course nice/worth paying $5, compared to other courses with which you’re familiar?
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 5, 2010 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know that guy... just found the pic online.
And colin cut his gingerlocks!
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 5, 2010 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
pay course (Token Creek) is well-maintained and open
fairways and rough. Long and open. Plays like a “real” golf course. Elver Park (free) is wooded and hilly. You can’t find the holes really unless you’re with someone who’s been there. Lots of blind shots where you just chuck your disc over some trees and then try to find it. Has a hole exactly like in your picture in fact. Its probably right up your alley, based on your prefs.
His name is Rios and he dances on the sand
$5 disc golf, gambling at Ho-Chunk, crash a frat party and then go bowling at that crappy alley near UWM
Next SSS outing
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Got it. Yeah, I like the 'can't find the holes unless' courses... it's rough the first time, but disc golfers are some of the nicest folks... Always someone around willing to help you get the fuck out of their way. ;)
We have other courses – more technical, shorter holes. As well as more open, like a golf course. I like the open golf course ones too…but the condensed technical courses bother me because I’m a fan of the long drive and not a fan of discs flying all over the damn place around my head.
Anyway, when I move back, I plan to check out all the area courses. I didn’t play until I moved here, so I missed out really researching what Chicagoland (and beyond) had to offer in the way of disc golf.
Glad to hear that it’s more than what I’ve experienced so far.
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 5, 2010 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
I wonder what it is that makes disc golfers so nice...
They always seem so mellow. Relaxed. Almost as if they’ve found some way to let their troubles just float away.
(I’m saying this as someone who loves disc golf and let his troubles float away).
White Sox fan; Jeppson's Malort man
by KarkoviceIsHawt on Jan 5, 2010 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
Joliet is pretty good.
logic's been dead
kenwo shoots from his hip and thinks with his gut.
by colintj on Dec 29, 2009 1:15 PM CST
chicagoland courses were just grass and flat?
Their is a large number of shorter hole and grass hole courses, but their are a bunch of creative wooded or prarie courses. There’s an 18 holer in streamwood that is really nice and has a 750+ hole, not to mention a couple in the woods. Libertyville has a nice course.
bird law in this country is not ruled by reason
by soxshenanigans on Jan 5, 2010 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
Easy, killer. The ones I visited, yes. Libertyville is a little out of my driving range (so punny!), especially when I'm on vacation and my friend is driving me to the courses in his neighborhood in the SW burbs.
I’m sure there are more challenging and nicer courses than the ones I played.
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 5, 2010 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
I can agree with HSA on this one
though I’ve only played one outside of the Chi area, it would put your referenced Streamwood course to shame. Though, I’d agree, it’s prolly the most consistently wooded/interesting course that I’ve played in the area…
In general, the Chi area courses are all too open…
There’s one up in Round Lake that is half-wooded and fun, but the other half is boring. I played the one at Prairie View HS in CL at the end of the baseball season and thought it was well thought out given the limited area…
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Of all the courses in the area
i think the 18 hole at Lombard is the best, it plays like a real course. My home course is Jericho in Aurora in case anybody feels like playing in the winter (I do)
Praise Him!!
I tried the Lombard 18hole... Interested in the Aurora course. My buddy Jeff is a regular there.
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 5, 2010 3:49 PM CST up reply actions
Inwood in Joliet is crazy. Think of north shore mountain biking meets frolf. Only not as cool.
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
West Park is a 27 hole in Jtown
broke my ankle running there training for football. not that anyone cares
Praise Him!!
Just played Lombard last week
Obviously the weather changes things, but it seemed too open/basic to me.
White Sox fan; Jeppson's Malort man
by KarkoviceIsHawt on Jan 5, 2010 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
You must have been really high.
I’m guessing something stronger than weed.
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 5, 2010 6:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Lots of text.
Welcome home to boring Seattle, where you have oodles of time to write. Not like Chicago, where you actually interact in person with, maybe, people you like.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
Seriously...and now I feel like shelling up in my apartment for weeks to recover from all that social time. I liked living in Chicago, where I could balance the social life and my much-needed loner time.
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 5, 2010 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, the writing you are doing today
screams out “I WANT TO BE BY MYSELF!”.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
harharhar. But yes, drinking a beer while I walk through a peaceful forest? Ideal.
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 5, 2010 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
Add shooting a quadruped, and you have wisconsin!
There's Your Zagnut!!!
by DrEmilioLizardo on Jan 5, 2010 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, man, you are in my head.
Look at WTGTD’s right rail post. I commented before reading you comment. Scary.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
I know a Dude...
There's Your Zagnut!!!
by DrEmilioLizardo on Jan 5, 2010 8:47 PM CST up reply actions
Can't tell it is the offseason, can ya!
Next week- Falconry, Scrapbooking and Tall Tales!
There's Your Zagnut!!!
by DrEmilioLizardo on Jan 5, 2010 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
This is no worse than soccer discussions - which actually happen during the baseball season. Plus, I'm pleasantly surprised by the amount of disc-golfers!
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 5, 2010 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
I'm pleasantly surprised by the amount of pot-smokers.
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 5, 2010 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
match?
i can pearl with the best of them.
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 5, 2010 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
i'm kinda low
and you being such a scumbag and all you’re prolly rolly some schwag
Praise Him!!
by Hawk is God on Jan 5, 2010 3:57 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
wtgtd = scumbag?
wtf?
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 5, 2010 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
rolling on the floor rec'ing
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 5, 2010 4:10 PM CST up reply actions
doubtful. wtgtd is too materialist to smoke shitty weed.
popping seeds would make that lex smell like ass.
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
This
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 5, 2010 6:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I am not offended by it, just making a comment...
isnt this what the off season is for? The alternative is listening to KenWo go off on Ozzie again, and no one really wants that, do they?
There's Your Zagnut!!!
by DrEmilioLizardo on Jan 5, 2010 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
I can't speak for everyone of course, but hell no.
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 5, 2010 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
We could also talk about underwater hockey
And how we just got a new pool out in Bensonville. But maybe we’ll save that for more desperate times.
...but go for it!!!
:)
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 5, 2010 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
gmta
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 5, 2010 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
I cannot believe people used to complain about me talking about running.
I just spent five minutes reading a thread with dozens of posts, all on FRISBEE GOLF.
by BridgeportJoe on Jan 6, 2010 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed.
Running the Disney marathon Sunday. Supposed to be 32 degrees at the start. Gotta be there at 4 AM. Fer Chrissakes.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
Not the first one.
Assuredly not the last, since I responded to your wimpy post.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
I used to run in the shot put relay in high school track meets and it was great
because it was me versus three fat guys in a race. i once lapped a guy in a one-lap race.
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I almost got lapped twice once.
In a 5000m race (12.5 laps) in college when I was trying to ignore the fact that I was way too slow. I was running just under 16:00, and the winner probably ran close to 14:00. The fans started cheering for the finisher coming down the home stretch when I still had two laps to go.
I did get laped twice in a 10,000m race, but there’s no shame in that. Some people are running 29 minutes and some are running 33 minutes — bound to happen.
by BridgeportJoe on Jan 7, 2010 12:56 AM CST up reply actions
Sounds like ideal weather
Provided the wind is OK. 4 am sucks, but that’s always the case with marathons. Even Boston has been moved up to 8:00 am or so after being at 10 am for several years.
Good luck! Remember that a little slow the first 10 miles is about 100 times better than a little fast.
by BridgeportJoe on Jan 7, 2010 12:47 AM CST up reply actions
If you must know.
Not ideal, but at least it’s not blood.
It’s depressing. My three year-old lays pipe the same size as an English cucumber. Keeping with the vegetable theme, I’m more along the lines of whole green beans. Getting old sucks ass.
by BridgeportJoe on Jan 7, 2010 12:50 AM CST up reply actions
Ditto. I'm half inclined to start some circlejerk thread about Wii Sports records and the like.
"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"
aw yeah.
10 for 10 in homeruns.
Ill have to get back to you on the exact distance.
logic's been dead
kenwo shoots from his hip and thinks with his gut.
by colintj on Dec 29, 2009 1:15 PM CST
Damn, you're a god.
9-10, 4979 ft. I had a 16 run inning, however, which is probably my most impressive baseball accomplishment.
Golf is where I excel. -4, 2 hole-in-ones.
"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"
2 pins off of 300 in bowling. fucking bullshit.
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
I bowl better in real fucking life than I do in Wii.
The Silver Strike arcade machine is where my best bowling is done, however. I own top score at my bar with a 257, and the mark has been in place for several months.
This may go on my tombstone, based on a horrendous lack of achievement in virtually every other area of life.
"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"
no one mentioned sacramento
which, if you get over the whiny bay area teams (cough giants cough) would probably be the best market. large population (comparatively), high income, west coast so good for divisional balance and is perenially one of the largest, if not the largest, drawing minor league teams.
Cow town.
Unlike, say, Jacksonville. Or Memphis.
;)
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
Along the same lines
Riverside or San Bernardino could probably support another team, but I doubt that the Angels/Dodgers would be too pleased about that.
The Inland Empire Conquistadores? The Riverside Genocide?
White Sox fan; Jeppson's Malort man
by KarkoviceIsHawt on Jan 5, 2010 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
Which McCourt would you be asking?
The wife would be just fine. The husband, not so much.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
Doubt it
She probably wants to keep his value up until she can take him all the way to the cleaners.
White Sox fan; Jeppson's Malort man
by KarkoviceIsHawt on Jan 5, 2010 4:28 PM CST up reply actions
PK to 3rd! I've been saying this for years.
heh
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Jan 5, 2010 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
Konerko traded for Shawn Phiggons
Link
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 5, 2010 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
3 TEAM DEAL!!!
LINK
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 5, 2010 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
lmao
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 5, 2010 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
only larry can access that link.
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 5, 2010 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
Hey gang, Tyler Johnson here
I hope this e-mail finds you well and you are off to a great New Year!
I just wanted to let you know that this week will be the last week of our 2009 price freeze for our 2010 Season Ticket plans. After next Tuesday, January 12th, the 2010 price increase will go into effect.
You can secure the discounted price by placing a deposit, so feel free to send me an email or give me a call if you would like to discuss 2010 Season Ticket plans and locations. Additionally, we will start taking reservations for 2010 Group and Party Areas soon, so feel free to contact me regarding those as well.
All the Best,
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Further expansion would require further revenue sharing (maybe even a cap)
diluting the talent pool would seem to me to increase the disparity between the Yankees/Sawks buying power respective to the rest of the league, including the relatively small clubs added..
in other words it ain’t gonna happen anytime soon…
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The Cheat - voice of reason
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 5, 2010 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
we are in the business of evolvement.
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 5, 2010 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
seems like the point of expansion would be greater revenue overall so i don't think revenue sharing would be a particular issue.
and, correct, expansion certainly isn’t going to occur soon. something about the economy.
There is a Topic?
Huh…. whaddayaknow…
There's Your Zagnut!!!
by DrEmilioLizardo on Jan 5, 2010 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
Evolving into disc courses/nutshots/bottled water/bongs.
Like any good discussion does.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
why dont we combine everything into a poll
and vote on which city you’d want to take a frisbee in the crotch?
His name is Rios and he dances on the sand
by Nordhagen on Jan 5, 2010 3:54 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
/disc golf claps
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by homesickalien on Jan 5, 2010 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
Demographics to disc golf to dickshots to doobs
Just like Isiah Berlin said it would happen.
by Sox-35th on Jan 5, 2010 4:31 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And no one's mentioned the effect the expansion/contraction would have on SB Nation.
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Just finished Soccernomics. It lives too firmly in the Gladwell/Levitt genre of pop economics and some of their computations feel a little tortured (the bit about Norway, fer instance) but they it’s a fun read a times. A better book might have been written strictly about England.
new right rail material published.
enjoy.
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 5, 2010 3:52 PM CST reply actions
One thing to consider
Once you get down to markets the size of Memphis or Portland, they can generally support a franchise in one or (maybe) two sports but not three or four (see, e,g,, Portland in basketball, New Orleans in football (until recently), every Canadian city except Toronto in hockey, Buffalo in football and hockey). So any expansion plans should concentrate on cities that don’t currently have any professional teams. This rules out Portland, Nashville, Charlotte. Jacksonville, Orlando, New Orleans and Sacramento. The remaining options — Vegas, Memphis, etc. — aren’t particularly attractive. The one exception to this is Austin/San Antonio — yes, it has the Spurs, but that’s one team in one of the two markets.
I guess if you had to add a couple of teams, I’d be in favor of Austin/SA, plus a third team in Metro NY, either in CT or northern NJ. The third possible option would be SE Virginia — Norfolk/Richmond/Newport News is probably big enough to support that.
Have you ever been to Virginia?
Or looked at a map of it?
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