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Handing Out the Grades

As the resident educator, it is my job to hand out the Final Grades for your 2010 White Sox.  2010 was a very strange year.  From the Great Depression of April and May, to the Phoenix-like rising of June and July, to the collapse of August and to the final September run, which got thwarted by Mauer and the other Minneapolis Misfits.  There will be many questions asked going into the offseason.  Will Paul Konerko come back?  Will AJ still be behind the backstop?  Will Freddy Garcia accept my invitation to the Sybaris?  Those are questions for another time.  For now, let's reflect on the season that was 2010.

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AJ Pierzynski:  AJ had a down year.  His batting average was in the .240 area for much of the season, yet he surged to end the season at .270/.300/.388.  He managed to hit 9 homers and knock in 56 RBIs.  On defense, he was his normal fairly mediocre self.  Final Grade: C-

Paul Konerko:  The captain had one of, if not his finest season in 2010.  He stepped it way up in his contract year again and put together a very impressive line of .312/.393/.584.  He hit 39 homers and knocked in 111 runs.  Some people knocked his defense, but I didn't really see much of a difference between this year and previous years.  He always does a nice job with the glove.  This one is a no brainer.  Final Grade: A+

Gordon Beckham:  The so called Savior was a major disappointment.  He struggled mightily in the first half, seemed to find himself in the 2nd half and then left us for most of September with a hand injury.  I, and many of you, predicted a Pedroia-like season for the man with the perfect hair.  We were all wrong.  Final Grade: D+

Alexei Ramirez:  The Cuban Missel had a real nice season for the Sox.  He hit .282/.313/.431 with 18 homers and 70 knocked in.  While we would all like to see his OBP rise, the other numbers were there.  All this, while playing absolutely wonderful defense and not showing the lapses in focus we have seen in the past.  Final Grade: A

Mark Teahen:  The Teahen move was questioned from day 1.  The Teahen extension was ridiculed from day 1.  It should have been ridiculed more.  The guy was absolute garbage with the glove, and minus the one huge game he had in Toronto, the bat was just as bad.  The team playing its best baseball when he was banished makes this grade an easy one.  Final Grade: F

Omar Vizquel: I thought the signing was ridiculous.  I was wrong.  Vizquel brought a wonderful presence to the team, filled in admirably for Teahen at third and fit in nicely into the 2 spot after Beckham failed.  Vizquel finished the year with a .276 average after having far more at bats than he, or anyone else expected.  I don't think anyone would have predicted a better season from him.  Final Grade: A

Juan Pierre:  Although I questioned the acquisition and despised him early in the season, Pierre finished the year as one of my favorite players of 2010.  His .275 average was lower than expected but he did reach that magical .340 OBP mark of a passable leadoff man as he finished at .341.  He came up with a lot of clutch hits, played a very nice left field (even though he throws like a girl) and stole 68 bases.  Final Grade: B+

Alex Rios:  Rios had a remarkable first half both offensively and defensively.  He proved Kenny Williams right in taking on his contract and gave the Sox a legit center fielder for the first time in a long time.  He struggled in the 2nd half but finished with a .284/.334/.457 line, which included 21 homers and 34 stolen bases.  If I did this at the All Star break he would have gotten an easy A.  Final Grade: B

Carlos Quentin: Qperman he wasn't.  Injuries, lack of quality outfield play and a .243 average made him one of my personal least favorite Sox players.  He had a hot streak in mid June but for the most part was just there all year long.  Did finish to hit the softest 26 homers and 87 RBI's I ever remember.  Still his only real talent is his ability to get hit by a pitch.  Final Grade: D

Mark Kotsay:  Kotsay took the brunt of the attack from the Ozzie decision to not bring in a quality DH.  It was well worth it as Kotsay finished with a .239/.306/.376 line which included 8 homers and 31 RBI.  Ed Farmer will tell you hit hit the ball hard all season and could have easily hit .310.  Ed Farmer is an idiot.  Final Grade: F

Andruw Jones:  Jones was one of the only bright spots in April, before he too fell down to the rest of his teammates level.  He disappeared from site for a while, then after finally hitting homer #400 came up with some big hits in limited duty.  He finished with a .230/.341/.486 line, with 19 homers and 48 RBIs.  Andruw had a couple of lapses with the glove but overall provided much better defense than Quentin.  If I was sitting in Ozzie's chair I would have had thoughts to leave him play right field on an every day basis.  Final Grade: C+

Razor Ramon Castro: Castro had a pretty good season and should have played a lot more, especially early on.  He only had 1 less homer than AJ in about 360 less AB's.  He came up with a lot of big hits and his defense was no worse (and probably better) than AJ's.  Final Grade: B+

Dayan Viciedo:  The Tank, Pimp, Jack and Dayan etc.... finished his rookie season at .308/.321/.519 with 5 homers, and 13 RBI's in 104 ABs.  His defense proved to be ineffective at third (not that it was much worse than Teahen's but that isn't saying much).  Personally, I think he should have been given a shot as the DH over Kotsay.  Final Grade: A-

Brent Lillibridge: Started strong, then became Brent Lillibridge.  .224/.248/.378.  Wife is mediocre.  Writes funny tweets.  Final Grade: D

Manny Ramirez: Much was made about his arrival.  As soon as he came to the team the Sox rattled off 7 wins in a row.  He was credited for 2 homers from the on deck circle in his first 2 games and that ended up being more than his actual homer total of 1.  Cool to see him in a Sox jersey but the only reason he doesn't fail is his .420 OBP.  Final Grade: D

Brent Morel: Looked like he could play a nice third base and showed some signs of life in his bat with 6 of his 15 hits being XBH.  Final Grade: B

PITCHING STAFF

John Danks: Had a couple of real rotten starts thrown in, but his final numbers are pretty nice.  Had a 3.72 ERA to go with a 15-11 record over 213 innings.  Not as great as some of this community would have you believe, and even though we are facebook feuding I will be the better man.  Final Grade: B+

Mark Buehrle: Buehrle again threw 200+ innings and made 33 starts.  He finished 13-13 with a 4.28 ERA and a sweet play on opening day.  He gave up 246 hits in 210 innings, and only struck out 99, but he was about where we thought he would be. Final Grade: B-

Gavin Floyd: Floyd showed signs of Javy syndrome down the stretch and ended up missing a couple of starts due to injury.  He finished with a 10-13 record and again really struggled to open the season.  The guy has great stuff, but I would like to start seeing better results.  Final Grade: C

Freddy Garcia: Early on, Freddy was the best pitcher on the team.  He solidified the 5th starter role and went 12-6 with a 4.64 ERA.  If he didn't have it, you could tell early and often as he got tagged in a few of his games, but as a 5th starter, coming off of 3 injury plagued seasons he had a really excellent year. Could have easily won 15 games if the bullpen didn't screw him. Final Grade: A-

Jake Peavy:  He was dog crap early on.  Then he seemed to get back to his All Star self. Then got hurt.  Finished 7-6 with a 4.63.  Final Grade: C

Edwin Jackson: Jackson started 11 games for the Sox and finished 4-2 with a 3.24 ERA.  He looked absolutely dominant at times.  He didn't face the stiffest of competition, but 77 K's in 75 IP is still very nice.  Looking forward to seeing what he can do in 2011. Final Grade: A

Tony Pena: Pena's final numbers are 5-3 with a 5.10 ERA.  However, I am going to look past that ERA because he was asked to be the long man/spot starter even though that is not what he has ever done.  Personally, I think he did well for what he was asked to do.  Ozzie's decision to not bring a long man and the starting rotations inability to stay in games early hurt his final numbers.  Final Grade: C

Matt Thornton: Thornton was an all star and finished 5-4 with a 2.67.  He was a key part of the August blow job by the bullpen, but was still very impressive for the most part.  Thornton/Sale could make for an unhittable lefty combination if they choose to go that route.  Final Grade: B+

JJ Putz: Putz was amazing throughout the first half, then struggled in the 2nd half.  He finished 7-5 with a 2.83, but was unable to fill the closer role that most of us wanted him to have.  Part of the August SuckFest.  Final Grade: B

Scott Linebrink:  He was given less of a role this year, which suited him much better.  He finished the year 3-2 with a 4.40 and at times had me thinking he should be brought in during more important stretches of the game.  Wasn't as big of a failure as normal.  Final Grade: C

Bobby Jenks: Again failed to stay healthy and again was subpar when he was healthy.  The former World Series hero has probably squeezed into his rather large White Sox pants for the final time.  Still converted 27/31 saves but they were always an adventure.  Final Grade: C-

Sergio Santos: Sergio was babied in his first full year of pitching.  He finished with a 2.96 ERA over 51+ innings and tallied 56 strikeouts.  Will be nice to see what he can do with an expanded role next season. Final Grade: A-

Chris Sale:  This guy was pitching in college when the season started.  By seasons end I wanted to go buy a gold chain.  Did an outstanding job when called upon as evidenced by his 1.93 ERA over 23+ IP with 32 strikeouts.  Will be interesting to see what direction they choose to take with him.  Final Grade: A+

MANAGEMENT 

Ozzie Guillen (and staff):  Ozzie's DH approach was borderline Special Ed.  His not bringing in a true innings eater in the bullpen cost us games.  He played AJ and Kotsay too much, Castro and Jones too little, kept putting Quentin in right and left Beckham in the 9 hole when he started tearing it up.  The team again tanked in August- an Ozzie tradition.  Had ridiculous run-ins with upper management and refused to tell his son to shut the hell up.  Second subpar season in a row from 13.  Final Grade: D-

Kenny Williams:  He hit on Pierre, Putz, Freddy and Vizquel.  Missed on Teahen, Peavy (that move was made last year but had a huge eye on 2010 when it was made), Kotsay and Manny.  Pushed on Jackson and Jones.  All in all it was his failure to veto ozzie's anti-thome sentiment that caused us to scramble all deadline to find a replacement and then pay Manny at the waiver deadline.  Final Grade: D

 

Chicago White Sox Final Grade:  The Sox finished with 88 wins, which is what I predicted in my pre-season predictions thread.  Unlike last season, the Sox went on many streaks (both winning and losing).  It made for a shitty spring, a sweet june and july, a BS August and a September of hating the Twins for not losing. They did pretty well in spite of their manager/GM.  Final Grade: B  

 

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Nice

I would just switch Beckham and AJ’s grades.

by Rhubarb on Oct 4, 2010 7:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Minor quibble with Jenks' grade.

Sure his ERA sucked, but his peripherals were the best he’s had in a number of years. I’m not sure a FIP of 2.59, xFIP of 2.62 and K/9 of 10.42 is deserving of a C-.

by MrBungle on Oct 4, 2010 7:32 PM CDT reply actions  

If I were a betting man, I would wager that you already have a large gold chain.

Great report card. I would still give Becks a little bit higher grade. Obviously we knew you were gonna give Garcia an A something. But those starts he got tagged in, he did so early and hard, leading to a LOT of bullpen use. I’d give him a B.

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by South Side Expat on Oct 4, 2010 8:23 PM CDT reply actions  

eh the gold chain i have is pretty small

and its actually broken. Need a new one.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 5, 2010 7:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gold big or gold home.

"My 80 year old babysitter always hated it when black people won on Price is Right and Wheel of Fortune." -Rhubarb, 10/6/10

by homesickalien on Oct 8, 2010 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I lol'd at the Farmer line.

Very nice. I know it’s unfair because he is really, really good (by any measurement), but my lasting memory of Thorton this year is the Thome homerun.

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 4, 2010 8:34 PM CDT reply actions  

when you settle down and concentrate you actually make a lot of sense.

you’re just an average american… with extraordinary hair.
rec’d.

i am a bark for buffeting. i am a hound for thornypaws. i am a doe for swiftness. i am a tree for wind-siege. i am a windmill. i am a hole in a wall.

by BuehrleMan on Oct 4, 2010 9:04 PM CDT reply actions  

if you are gonna

give kenny a miss on peavy, then you would have to give him a hit on rios.

by craigws on Oct 4, 2010 9:07 PM CDT reply actions  

true.

but i think peavy was a bigger miss considering the injury plus richards performance….. hopefully he turns the tables on that trade next year. but right now you have to say it was all san diego.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 4, 2010 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great write up

My only quibble is giving Pierre a higher grade than Rios. Even though he tailed off there isn’t a single aspect of the game that Rios doesn’t do well.

It's called Sex Panther by Odeon. It's illegal in nine countries... Yep, it's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by ElDiablo on Oct 4, 2010 10:33 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm torn on this.

I think that if you put more weight on the second half than the first (Which I think is reasonable given how much almost everyone sucked early on,) Pierre gets a slightly higher grade. Rios did have the rocket start, and then trailed off a bit, whereas Pierre, despite my (and most of our) misgivings on him early on, by the end, I wouldn’t want anyone else batting leadoff. Pierre ended up being a pretty decent surprise, whereas Rios played to what he should have. Granted, this is also heavily influenced by what the Dodgers are picking up on Pierre’s contract.

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by South Side Expat on Oct 4, 2010 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pierre's horseshit offense in the March/April is no small contributor to their failures early on

Plus his offense seemingly disappeared again in Sept. Not that it really mattered then, though.

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
"Well, at least if she's disappointed on the wedding night you can tell her "Wait till next year!" - South Side Expat

by Shoeless In SC on Oct 4, 2010 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

There was a lot of horseshit offense in March/April.

It’s no excuse, but to single him out overall doesn’t work. Grading on a curve?

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by South Side Expat on Oct 4, 2010 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

you'd have to grade on a curve

especially with all these no talent ass clowns slow starters

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
"Well, at least if she's disappointed on the wedding night you can tell her "Wait till next year!" - South Side Expat

by Shoeless In SC on Oct 5, 2010 7:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pierre to me was like a student

that you never had…. but have always heard/seen bad things about him. Then he got to the class and after a rocky start never really gave you any problems the rest of the year and far exceeded your expectations.

Rios was the star student at first…. then figured he had an easy A in the bank and coasted the rest of the way.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 5, 2010 7:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hated teachers that graded like this in school

Grade on merit, not how close to whatever you think their potential is. This is America. Potential is is nice . . . when you’re 8 year olds.

by joewho112 on Oct 5, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

i don't think your method works.

if a player underperforms, the grade should reflect that. handing out grades based on WAR, as you did below, doesn’t make great sense.

by larry on Oct 5, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would curve it based on role rather than potential.

Omar and Andruw get a high grades even if they have unimpressive WARs since their roles are utility in fielder and 4th outfielder, respectively.

Mostly I’m against penalizing/rewarding people for others people’s expectations. I don’t think Pierre deserves a gold star because some people expected him to suck. I think you have to give him a middling grade because he was a mediocre starting corner outfielder.

by joewho112 on Oct 5, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Some minor quibbles with grades. Already been mentioned.

But the write-ups were outstanding because of what they contained: concise statistical and fan-watching analysis without sugarcoating; and what they lacked: a bunch of sugarcoating, BS, and long-winded diatribes on mistakes.

I give your grading an A-

Well done, sir.

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
"Well, at least if she's disappointed on the wedding night you can tell her "Wait till next year!" - South Side Expat

by Shoeless In SC on Oct 4, 2010 10:59 PM CDT reply actions  

And the Kotsay-Farmer comments made me laugh.

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
"Well, at least if she's disappointed on the wedding night you can tell her "Wait till next year!" - South Side Expat

by Shoeless In SC on Oct 4, 2010 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I laughed heartily when I read that.

Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."

Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."

by Tdogg on Oct 5, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

this

"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Oct 5, 2010 6:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Only quibble here is that you seem to have graded Mark Kotsay a bit too high.

Otherwise excellent analysis

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by blackoutsox on Oct 4, 2010 11:43 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

kenwo, it was fun reading this, great write up

"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Oct 5, 2010 6:13 AM CDT reply actions  

You only fucked up one grade, professor.

You graded Ozzie much too high. If Teahen and Kotsay are F’s (and they are), don’t you give the guy who kept playing the fuckers an F- ? How many outs did we give away this year with his stupid fucking bunting and running decisions? The man is a mental midget and needs to go.

Well, that a good manageris your opinion. by winningugly

by mick10 on Oct 5, 2010 7:16 AM CDT reply actions  

i agree. the only reason i didn't flunk him

was that the bullpen more or less did a good job and they did win 88 games. Thats a pretty good number so I had to give him a little credit for that.

I thought the D- was a fair grade…. though my heart said F. My feelings towards ozzie are well documented.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 5, 2010 7:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good job, Teach.

Must’ve hurt giving PK that high of a grade and actually passing Ozzie. I would’ve flunked Manny. He wasn’t brought in to lead off. 2 RBI’s and one dinger is horseshit. Becks wasn’t as bad through the whole season to get as low of a grade as he did.

Rec’d. Very measured and mature. I am shock. ;)

I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 5, 2010 7:58 AM CDT reply actions  

come on wu, you know rbi aren't a good measure of anything.

besides, i don’t remember manny ever batting with any men on base because whoever was hitting in front of him kept hitting home runs due to manny’s presence. (clearly)

i am a bark for buffeting. i am a hound for thornypaws. i am a doe for swiftness. i am a tree for wind-siege. i am a windmill. i am a hole in a wall.

by BuehrleMan on Oct 5, 2010 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Okay forget his paltry RBI total

.319 SLG with the White Sox. Fail.

"Hawk Harrelson: Annoying even the hearing impaired": Teahenny Penny paraphrasing Chisoxfan1473

by NorthSidePaulie on Oct 5, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

And he came up as a PH with the sacks jammed

against Boston last Wed. I forgot whether it was a swinging or looking K against Okajima.

"Hawk Harrelson: Annoying even the hearing impaired": Teahenny Penny paraphrasing Chisoxfan1473

by NorthSidePaulie on Oct 5, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

chill out dude.

either you do not know how the word clearly is used on here or you just missed it, but i was not being serious. believe me, i dislike manny more than you do. (even had manny hit well while on the sox i would still have disliked him at least as much as i do now)

i am a bark for buffeting. i am a hound for thornypaws. i am a doe for swiftness. i am a tree for wind-siege. i am a windmill. i am a hole in a wall.

by BuehrleMan on Oct 5, 2010 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay whoosh on the (clearly)

But I didn’t think I was being so “unchilled” in my comments. The “fail” was at Manny’s .318 SLG anyway , not your unserious comment, in case you took it that way.

"Hawk Harrelson: Annoying even the hearing impaired": Teahenny Penny paraphrasing Chisoxfan1473

by NorthSidePaulie on Oct 5, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

fair play.

i am a bark for buffeting. i am a hound for thornypaws. i am a doe for swiftness. i am a tree for wind-siege. i am a windmill. i am a hole in a wall.

by BuehrleMan on Oct 5, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here ya go. Take one and pass it along.

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
"Well, at least if she's disappointed on the wedding night you can tell her "Wait till next year!" - South Side Expat

by Shoeless In SC on Oct 5, 2010 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Handing out the Gangrene.

…. “Whats that smell? Oh… our post-season hopes.”

".... and in closing, lick. my. balls." - U God

by DrEmilioLizardo on Oct 5, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

did someone say grenades'?

i swear to god i had a dream last night that manny was traded to the sox
i woke up thinking it was true. so i had to check the internet, this could be another one of my premonitions so sit tight ;D
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 19, 2010 5:14 PM CDT

by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 5, 2010 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kenwo, you really outdid yourself with this post. Good work!

It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT

by rhythm on Oct 5, 2010 9:28 AM CDT reply actions  

That was excellent, KenWo.

Would anyone disagree that the team overall was a B? That kind of sums it all up.

by palehose67 on Oct 5, 2010 10:07 AM CDT reply actions  

I would.

C+ at best. Starting the way they did, finishing the way they did, rolling over like a 5 dollar hooker vs MIN the way they did, gets a solid C from me, because they showed the potential to do far, far better.
Under-achievers who cant knuckle down get C’s, not B’s… You give em a B, and then you are rewarding their lack of motivation and performance.

".... and in closing, lick. my. balls." - U God

by DrEmilioLizardo on Oct 5, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, because lack of motivation was clearly the problem.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver

by Chiburb on Oct 5, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

more of an analogy for my grade than an actual diagnosis.

But, what grade would you give them and why?

".... and in closing, lick. my. balls." - U God

by DrEmilioLizardo on Oct 5, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

B-/C+

C means average. They were better than average.

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
"Well, at least if she's disappointed on the wedding night you can tell her "Wait till next year!" - South Side Expat

by Shoeless In SC on Oct 5, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not agains the AL Central they weren't

for this I say and even C is about right.

They’re A+ against the NL though once again!

"Hawk Harrelson: Annoying even the hearing impaired": Teahenny Penny paraphrasing Chisoxfan1473

by NorthSidePaulie on Oct 5, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

B

They outplayed their (consensus) “potential”. As for rewarding the “performance”, the 25-5 run gets a standing ovation from me.
Whatever.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver

by Chiburb on Oct 5, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

"rolling over like a 5 dollar hooker"

if i ever get around to turning my abandoned 403(b) into an IRA, i’m stealing this to see the accountant’s reaction.

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.

by thatshortkid on Oct 5, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

You haven't called Fidelity yet?

So you are not a lemming?

I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 5, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'd say lazy. following is too much work.

it’s managed by tiaa-cref anyways. though fidelity has been offering me airline miles….

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.

by thatshortkid on Oct 5, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

You were a teacher?

Where the hell are your grades? Lazy, indeed. KenWo doing all the work.

I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 5, 2010 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'm not responsible enough to mold young minds like ken

was an IT manager at NORC during grad school. same retirement whatnots as everybody else in the ivory tower.

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.

by thatshortkid on Oct 5, 2010 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

not purposefully, either.

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
"Well, at least if she's disappointed on the wedding night you can tell her "Wait till next year!" - South Side Expat

by Shoeless In SC on Oct 6, 2010 7:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't care about the the fact they won 88 games.

The lack of consistency and the puke job when it really mattered irked me. C+ at best.

by CATDADDY47 on Oct 5, 2010 10:57 AM CDT reply actions  

i wouldn't trust the rockies.

after all their shenanigans with the humidor.

by larry on Oct 5, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sportsmanship as determined by

Joe West?

"Hawk Harrelson: Annoying even the hearing impaired": Teahenny Penny paraphrasing Chisoxfan1473

by NorthSidePaulie on Oct 5, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

good work...but i think Q deserves a higher grade

we already took away his ! and hes a power hitter that hit 26 home runs and 87 rbis and his OBP was still decent…if you included his defense it makes more sense but I blame that more on ozzie than Q especially when there was no one blocking him from playing DH

by ndsoxfan on Oct 5, 2010 11:10 AM CDT reply actions  

Q aced the midterm exam with 100% score

but he was barely doing his homework all season long.

Will Freddy Garcia accept my invitation to the Sybaris? -KenWo4life

by e-gus on Oct 5, 2010 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

he wasnt?

i thought teahens dog kept eating it.

"Statistics are about as interesting as first base coaches" Jim Bouton

by Grinder Rule #42 on Oct 6, 2010 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

In the Ozzie grade:"The team again tanked in August- an Ozzie tradition."

This is the weirdest thing considering the fact he uses the bench the most so his regulars can get over the dog days of August, yet they still suck at this time. Go figure.

Otherwise, good grades everywhere but I agree with blackoutsox, Mark Kotsay’s grade is still too high :P

by allhawks on Oct 5, 2010 11:28 AM CDT reply actions  

This was very funny man and well done.

My minor adjustments.
A Jones= B- Punished mistakes enough to make it worthwhile

Floyd= B The difference between Danks and Floyd was BABIP. Floyd had the most dominant stretch this season and was probably the biggest key during the team’s hot stretch. He more than Freddie should bitch about run support.

Thornton= A+ He ranked as the top AL reliever in terms of WAR this season and 5th for WPA (clutch)

Ozzie= C- The team had 88 wins. Have to give him some credit for that.

Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."

Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."

by Tdogg on Oct 5, 2010 11:47 AM CDT reply actions  

Freddie was nice

but his grade is too high.
He taxed the bullpen a few times this year.

Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."

Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."

by Tdogg on Oct 5, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

For waht was expected of Freddy - the grade Ken gave seems appropriate.

However, much was expected of Floyd and he was too inconsistent. Thorny was not A+ the whole year. Jones was freaking awful throughout the suummer but bookended it with a good April and a decent Sept.

Would agree with Ozzie re: on-field results, but his off-field shenanigans were terrible.

I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 5, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dont care what spot he was in.

His pitching results were not an A.
If Thornton is not an A then no relief pitcher in the AL is. Pitchers have ups and downs.

Besides w/l record where exactly did Floyd fail expectations? His season long BABIP was .329.

Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."

Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."

by Tdogg on Oct 5, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you're doing it wrong

Mr. Wo doesn’t grade on fancy things like BABIP and xFIP, but on what he perceives to be a stellar, strong, above average, average, below average, terrible or horse shit performance.

Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death

by Hazymania on Oct 5, 2010 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

shockingly enough i don't really look into the WAR thing....

I do the dreaded eye test…. and from what I saw Thornton wasn’t an A pitcher. He was close but he blew a few games (especially the Thome one) and that hurt him.

I gave ozzie a D- because they won 88. That was his credit.

Floyd was my favorite starter entering the year and he really let me down. I could justify an A for Danks before a B for Floyd.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 5, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

really? :-)

If your argument is who gets the most out of their stuff thats different. But no way in hell Danks is a B+ and Floyd is a C imo.

Again to me Thornton was just ridiculous this year. You can argue he was the best pitcher on the team this year.

Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."

Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."

by Tdogg on Oct 5, 2010 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

No. Sale.

Heh.

I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 5, 2010 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

don't forget the ASG eye test.

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.

by thatshortkid on Oct 5, 2010 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Ozzie's grade is an incomplete, myself.

No question the DH decision hampered the team, but he was also the only one on the planet who believed in the make-up of this team throughout the year.

I know that it’s probably stupid and certainly intangible, but I think it counts. Those 88 wins (probably an under and over achievement at the same time) have Ozzie’s fingerprints all over.

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 5, 2010 11:58 AM CDT reply actions  

incomplete?

the season’s over. that’s when you give grades.

Fireworks: Bang?

by colintj on Oct 5, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know...

I guess I just can’t decide whether he gets a D- and barely passes or gets an F+ and barely fails, you know?

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 5, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

We'll take that into account when we do New Member Grades next week.

Ed Farmer will tell you [Kotsay] hit the ball hard all season and could have easily hit .310. Ed Farmer is an idiot. Final Grade: F –KenWo4LiFe

by Uribe Down on Oct 5, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I would expect something like

“Radical homosexual. Ocassionally provides amusing post, however not due to wit of post, but stupidity of baseball interpretation/stuborness. Also makes too many typos. Does, though rarely, provide humorous remark (Teahen = ‘pockmarked fuck’). F+”

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 5, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

...

But I got nowhere else to go…..

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 5, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 5, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can't really give this a whole lot of attention

since I already referenced this a few days ago….

In the words of a Simpson’s episode, “Meh…it’s been done.”

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 5, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I definitely spit out some of my tea.

DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY

by Ozzie Montana on Oct 5, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

You know, some of us had to live through that.

Oh, wrong bridge.

Thus in turn AMERICA=White Sox Nation.
North side= extreme Muslim perdominitly homosexual

by South Side Expat on Oct 5, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

You live in Minnesota?

"Kotsay should get the Golden Goebbels" by 67WMAQ

by Rhubarb on Oct 5, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tacoma.... Oh- wrong bridge.

".... and in closing, lick. my. balls." - U God

by DrEmilioLizardo on Oct 5, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I took a suicide prevention class today (not for me before you start cracking jokes)

and they’re going to put nets under that bridge because so many people choose there to jump

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by blackoutsox on Oct 5, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

i have a feeling you are going to get struck by lightning

and be unlucky enough to survive it somehow. Zeus has a bolt with ‘larry’ on it as we speak.

i swear to god i had a dream last night that manny was traded to the sox
i woke up thinking it was true. so i had to check the internet, this could be another one of my premonitions so sit tight ;D
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 19, 2010 5:14 PM CDT

by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 5, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Are you looking for the gerbil in his ass?

I am. I see nothing. Disappoint.

I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 5, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

"we"?

new members don’t get to grade other new members.

by larry on Oct 5, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

TP: Fodder for off-season chew toy bin. Occasional green comment. D+.

Can’t wait to get my grade and $410 bill in mail, larry.

Ed Farmer will tell you [Kotsay] hit the ball hard all season and could have easily hit .310. Ed Farmer is an idiot. Final Grade: F –KenWo4LiFe

by Uribe Down on Oct 5, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

TP: perennial deep throater.

D+ sounds about right.

i swear to god i had a dream last night that manny was traded to the sox
i woke up thinking it was true. so i had to check the internet, this could be another one of my premonitions so sit tight ;D
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 19, 2010 5:14 PM CDT

by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 5, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wish you would have failed me.

I can’t live with myself knowing that you would approve of a passing grade.

Too bad bridges in Chicago are simply not high enough.

Ed Farmer will tell you [Kotsay] hit the ball hard all season and could have easily hit .310. Ed Farmer is an idiot. Final Grade: F –KenWo4LiFe

by Uribe Down on Oct 5, 2010 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Illinois Nazis found one

Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death

by Hazymania on Oct 5, 2010 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hate Illinois Nazis

:p

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
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by The Wizard on Oct 10, 2010 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

How the hell is Jake Peavy a C?

This was supposed to be the ace of the staff that carried the team. All he did was have a mid 4 ERA and not play half the season. That is a D- at best.

by Franchise82 on Oct 5, 2010 12:01 PM CDT reply actions  

so you want to give a d- because he got hurt?

the grade was for his performance

Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."

Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."

by Tdogg on Oct 5, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I give Morneau a C+

pussy

Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."

Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."

by Tdogg on Oct 5, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe if he "believed in ice"

his lat wouldn’t have shredded off of the bone.

i swear to god i had a dream last night that manny was traded to the sox
i woke up thinking it was true. so i had to check the internet, this could be another one of my premonitions so sit tight ;D
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 19, 2010 5:14 PM CDT

by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 5, 2010 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

He gets an F

because he is supposed to be the ace of the staff and gets paid the most money. His performance (while on the field) was comparable to Freddy Garcia. How the hell is that a grade of C?

by Franchise82 on Oct 6, 2010 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

I apologize in advance

but thats dumb as hell.

Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."

Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."

by Tdogg on Oct 6, 2010 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

There's a dichotomy here between people who are grading based on either:

realization of potential OR actual performance on the field

I’m for voting for the latter.

Peavy was about an average AL starter in 2010. Average = C.

What does it matter than he’s expected to get an A? If I’m expected to get an A in bio stats, and I get C’s on everything, why should I receive an F? Teachers don’t have out F’s based on those criteria.

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
"Well, at least if she's disappointed on the wedding night you can tell her "Wait till next year!" - South Side Expat

by Shoeless In SC on Oct 6, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree but I think its rather silly

to grade someone on your pre-season expectation. Money does play into it but injuries do happen.

Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."

Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."

by Tdogg on Oct 6, 2010 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

No blame, but if you are not pitching

when you are supposed to be pitching it is tough to get a good grade. If you are lights-out in April and May and get injured for the year after that, I’m sorry, you don’t get an “A”.

I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 6, 2010 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

we are talking about Peavy as a C

vs some trying to give him a F

Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."

Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."

by Tdogg on Oct 6, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

I get it.

I’m stating an example.

I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 6, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmm okay

So grade the Twins Morneau this year.

Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."

Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."

by Tdogg on Oct 6, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

B-.

Could be higher since they didn’t miss a beat after he went out.

I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 6, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well I see your point but there is no way in hell

I’d give Morneau a B- for even the half year he put up.

Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."

Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."

by Tdogg on Oct 6, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

He lost 2+ months, yes?

B-. And I said it could be higher. Makes sense to me. Sounds like Tdogg thought it should be lower. That’s what makes a market. How is one “valuable” if one doesn’t play?

I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 6, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

At some point the value is diminished.

If Morneau is the greatest half-season player ever does that make him better than an above-average full-time player?

This is what I want to know.

I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 6, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

this season he was better, or at least the same as, an above-average full-time player.

and i don’t see how his value is diminished, unless you’re counting the $200K or whatever the twins paid to some player who wouldn’t have otherwise been on their roster.

by larry on Oct 6, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is there not a drop-off in performance

from him vs. the guy who replaces him?

I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 6, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

so?

how would that diminish his value. his performance is in the proverbial bank already.

let’s put it this way. morneau produced in a half season what, going into the season, one could have reasonably expected he would have produced over the entire season. what difference does it make that he only did it in a half season? runs are runs. wins are wins.

by larry on Oct 6, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, but there was a hole in what he "should've"

been performing because of his injury. Q did not win the MVP in 2008 because, though he was producing like a mofo, didn’t participate in the last 6-8 weeks. (Which is why I thought Hamilton might lose a few votes this year, though he was so far above his competitors in most categories he seems to still be the front-runner.)

I understand JM’s performance is “banked” but doesn’t it get pro-rated somehow?

I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 6, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

i don't see any reason to pro-rate it. why?

quentin did not win the MVP because other players were better than him over the season. if you’re saying that you would have given quentin a B for that season, even though he was well above average in terms of overall production, at least you’re consistent.

by larry on Oct 6, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

unfortunately that fucking hole was filled by Jim Thome.

Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."

Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."

by Tdogg on Oct 6, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

thats why I told you what i did wasn't entirely fair

did you actually look at his half season performance? The answer to your question this year is probably yes.

Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."

Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."

by Tdogg on Oct 6, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I admit that was probably a set up though

Justin outproduced the whole White Sox squad except Konerko in his 81 games of work.

Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."

Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."

by Tdogg on Oct 6, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

ouch

"Statistics are about as interesting as first base coaches" Jim Bouton

by Grinder Rule #42 on Oct 6, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, answer this then:

Hypothetically speaking:

Pitcher A is paid $4 mill/year. Age 26. In 3 years in the majors, he’s historically been a 2-3 WAR pitcher. He pitches to the tune of 5 WAR with a 3.10 xFIP. What’s his grade?

Pitcher B is paid $8mill/year. Age 30. In 6 years in the majors he’s historically been anywhere from a 4-7 WAR pitcher. He’s won a CY. He also pitches to the tune of 5 WAR with a 3.10 xFIP. What’s his grade?

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
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"Well, at least if she's disappointed on the wedding night you can tell her "Wait till next year!" - South Side Expat

by Shoeless In SC on Oct 6, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

No one wants to play the game? :(

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
"Well, at least if she's disappointed on the wedding night you can tell her "Wait till next year!" - South Side Expat

by Shoeless In SC on Oct 6, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

A plus and A

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by blackoutsox on Oct 6, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

So...

to be clear, Freddy Garcia should also be a C or C+ and not an A?

I guess it comes down to your definition when grading athletes performances. I clearly factor in what is expected and did they meet or exceed those expectations. At my job I am expected to perform at a certain level, IF I meet that level that would be considered average or a C level performance. Peavy was expected to pitch well and lead the staff, he failed at both. Freddy was expected to start 15 games until his arm fell off, he exceeded these expectations which is why he was given an A.

If you are grading solely based on performance than Peavy/Garcia should have the same grade.

by Franchise82 on Oct 7, 2010 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd grade Peavy slightly higher. Shouldn't you?

WAR is not a good metric to use here. At all. But Peavy was worth about half a win more than Freddy in about 10 fewer starts. Peavy is hard to grade though because he didn’t finish the year. WAR isn’t a good metric to use then since it speaks cumulatively, and just about anything that speaks cumulatively isn’t a good metric to use in this instance. If you’re looking at FIP and xFIP, Peavy is 4.01/4.08, respectively. Freddy is 4.77/4.59, respectively.

If you give Peavy any grade that’s not an Incomplete, then he was markedly better than average, so he should receive a B/B+. Whatever. Freddy was about average, slightly better than your average AL starter. Not 5th starter, but starter in general. For that he would get about a C+/B-. If you’re grading Freddy based on 5th starters, then I think he deserves an A.

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
"Well, at least if she's disappointed on the wedding night you can tell her "Wait till next year!" - South Side Expat

by Shoeless In SC on Oct 7, 2010 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now that I re-read this, Peavy should be bumped up a bit. Like an idiot, I was looking at WAR the first time

A ~4.00 FIP/xFIP in the AL doesn’t speak average.

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"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
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by Shoeless In SC on Oct 7, 2010 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice piece, KenWo. Way to bring the ratings.

Ed Farmer will tell you [Kotsay] hit the ball hard all season and could have easily hit .310. Ed Farmer is an idiot. Final Grade: F –KenWo4LiFe

by Uribe Down on Oct 5, 2010 12:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Nah. It's cuz he pissed off the ESPN teams.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver

by Chiburb on Oct 5, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

West's grade - G

"Kotsay should get the Golden Goebbels" by 67WMAQ

by Rhubarb on Oct 5, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kanye?

I’ll always give him A’s

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 5, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

What's been your reaction to G.O.O.D. Fridays?

And I liked the first half of 808s….Never heard anything like ‘Love Lockdown’ before, I gotta give him credit for experimentation (bad sex puns will now follow).

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 5, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

*any

"Kotsay should get the Golden Goebbels" by 67WMAQ

by Rhubarb on Oct 5, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha, ouch

Not even the other beats he did?

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 5, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

hater in the house

;)

i swear to god i had a dream last night that manny was traded to the sox
i woke up thinking it was true. so i had to check the internet, this could be another one of my premonitions so sit tight ;D
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 19, 2010 5:14 PM CDT

by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 5, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Autotune + Lil Wayne = good

Autotune + Anyone else = SUCK

CAGO WHY SOGS CAGO WHY SOGSSSS

by soxrule!35 on Oct 6, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

autotune+lil wayne=

somehow even worse lil wayne.

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Oct 6, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

autotune+anyone=weaksauce

it masks horrible singing abilities, I know rappers don’t sing, so why use autotune? You can’t tell me autotune is a cutting edge tool.

"Kotsay should get the Golden Goebbels" by 67WMAQ

by Rhubarb on Oct 6, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lil Wayne is in jail for being so terrible at everything.

Ed Farmer will tell you hit hit the ball hard all season and could have easily hit .310. Ed Farmer is an idiot.

by Ozzie Montana on Oct 6, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

i wish he was staying in longer

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Oct 6, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

I forgot, it's not cool to like Lil Wayne anymore

He’s too ‘mainstream’. Thanks for setting everyone straight Ozzie.

CAGO WHY SOGS CAGO WHY SOGSSSS

by soxrule!35 on Oct 8, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

he was never not mainstream

he sucked when he was young, he sucked when his ego outgrew his talent, and he still sucks. maybe a fifth of his lyrics are good (if that) and the rest are just gibberish put together because it happens to rhyme. wayne set southern rap back a decade.

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Oct 8, 2010 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

setting it back a decade

wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing.
back to stankonia.

by craigws on Oct 8, 2010 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

i don't like him

but the real jokers of the rap game are the so icy crew. gucci and his band of douchebags are the worst rappers of all time in my opinion.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 8, 2010 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Waka Flame is in that discussion.

Lil’ Wayne’s best ‘stuff’ was probably Da Drought 3. Not everything is awful, but he’s definitely over hyped/exposed.

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 8, 2010 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, shit. Literally just

found out that Waka was part of Gucci’s group. Withdrawn…..

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 8, 2010 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

years from now

the kids who like gucci/waka/oj da juiceman…… will think ‘what the fuck were we listening too’ kinda like what my generation thinks about master p.

make em say uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 9, 2010 6:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Or the

‘snap’ stuff from 5 years ago.

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 9, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

NA NA NA NA

that song is hilarious

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Oct 9, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

No Limit Records was the best.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2aMpumi0gc

Ed Farmer will tell you hit hit the ball hard all season and could have easily hit .310. Ed Farmer is an idiot.

by Ozzie Montana on Oct 9, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah if only he could go back to the glory days of Cash Money Millionaires.

He was always a hack.

Ed Farmer will tell you hit hit the ball hard all season and could have easily hit .310. Ed Farmer is an idiot.

by Ozzie Montana on Oct 8, 2010 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

T-Pain

uses it pretty well, I think. I don’t mind people who can’t sing using it (after all, that’s what the damn thing is for), I hate people who CAN sing using it (Mary J. Blige, etc).

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 6, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

T-Pain is a no-talent assclown and Akon is a cunt for introducing that shitbag to the mainstream.

Ed Farmer will tell you hit hit the ball hard all season and could have easily hit .310. Ed Farmer is an idiot.

by Ozzie Montana on Oct 6, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

these good friday songs are ridiculous.

esp christian dior denim flow. I am so happy Pusha T is rapping over kanye inspired beats.

i swear to god i had a dream last night that manny was traded to the sox
i woke up thinking it was true. so i had to check the internet, this could be another one of my premonitions so sit tight ;D
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 19, 2010 5:14 PM CDT

by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 5, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

we all know your sexual preference.

do you have to keep throwing it out there?

"Statistics are about as interesting as first base coaches" Jim Bouton

by Grinder Rule #42 on Oct 6, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well,

I’m of the opinion that Wu-Tang Clan ain’t nothin’ to fuck with, so I had low expectations of any remix, let alone one with a 16 year old white Canadian. I don’t know what sexuality has to do with it…

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 6, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Say you will is awesome

I think 808 is underrated

Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."

Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."

by Tdogg on Oct 5, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

808's is the shit

aren’t u kinda old to be bumpin kanyeezy? ;X

i swear to god i had a dream last night that manny was traded to the sox
i woke up thinking it was true. so i had to check the internet, this could be another one of my premonitions so sit tight ;D
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 19, 2010 5:14 PM CDT

by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 5, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

uh huh.

Yeah right you 20 year olds invented hip hop.

Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."

Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."

by Tdogg on Oct 5, 2010 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

3 words:

N.
W.
A.

;)

I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 5, 2010 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's 3 letters and an emoticon.

And the presence of an extra 15,000 cowbells doesn’t discount my opinion Mr. 4th Place.

DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY

by Ozzie Montana on Oct 5, 2010 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

rick rubin invented hip hop ;D

see? paul mooney was right, whites take credit for everything! we will take you next tdogg!

i swear to god i had a dream last night that manny was traded to the sox
i woke up thinking it was true. so i had to check the internet, this could be another one of my premonitions so sit tight ;D
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 19, 2010 5:14 PM CDT

by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 5, 2010 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

i thought kanye preferred d's

at least that is what he says in this…

Why is this brainless, legless drunk still on my TV?-RWShow

by soxshenanigans on Oct 5, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

and oh man, look at what jeff kellogg did to gavin floyd 2 years ago tomorrow. 12 pitches in the strike zone called a ball. mercy.

i am a bark for buffeting. i am a hound for thornypaws. i am a doe for swiftness. i am a tree for wind-siege. i am a windmill. i am a hole in a wall.

by BuehrleMan on Oct 5, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

i am an entertainer.

i serve at the pleasure of larry.

i am a bark for buffeting. i am a hound for thornypaws. i am a doe for swiftness. i am a tree for wind-siege. i am a windmill. i am a hole in a wall.

by BuehrleMan on Oct 5, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I enjoyed this very much.

Especially the Sybaris line. Well done, ya silly bastard.

"Where is your Cialis?" - WU's wife

by RWShow on Oct 5, 2010 1:20 PM CDT reply actions  

I read it as Sybian the first two times.

DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY

by Ozzie Montana on Oct 5, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, that would be different then.

The Sybaris is the home of the “Taiwan Basket.”

At least that’s what I’ve been told.

"Stretch with the team. Be there for the National Anthem." - Ozzie Guillen's only two rules for Manny

by tailgater on Oct 5, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Freddy's been through a lot of surgery

Wouldn’t you be distracted by all of the scars?

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Oct 5, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

this is chicago.

those are souvenirs.

by larry on Oct 5, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I picture Freddy...

sitting in a hottub and sweating buckets.

by palehose67 on Oct 5, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

could kenwo rub any other way?

".... and in closing, lick. my. balls." - U God

by DrEmilioLizardo on Oct 5, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes. The wrong way.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver

by Chiburb on Oct 5, 2010 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

you read it more than once?

Will Freddy Garcia accept my invitation to the Sybaris? -KenWo4life

by e-gus on Oct 5, 2010 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Manny gets a big fat F

Each of his 2 RBI cost the Sox around $1.9 million. I’d say that’s a pretty lousy investment.

I think you were a little harsh on Bacon. He’ll bring the goods eventually.

Overall, nicely done!

"Stretch with the team. Be there for the National Anthem." - Ozzie Guillen's only two rules for Manny

by tailgater on Oct 5, 2010 1:25 PM CDT reply actions  

hush.

arguing what is beside the point with someone who cites RBI is a waste.

by larry on Oct 5, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

My bad...I forgot, larry is always right.

Yes, Manny was a great acquisition. Kenny should beg him to stick around next season.

Don’t you ever have to be in court or something?

"Stretch with the team. Be there for the National Anthem." - Ozzie Guillen's only two rules for Manny

by tailgater on Oct 5, 2010 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's silly to rate a player on a single thing.

particularly when that thing is RBI. fine, manny didn’t hit the ball very well. as kenwo pointed out, he also was acquired to get on base so other people could rack up that silly thing. he did that rather well.

by larry on Oct 5, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

If he was getting on in critical situations, then I'm in favor of the D

However, most of my fond memories of the Manny Era involve him striking out with men on base. Then again, I was watching a lot less as they played out the string.

On a side note, do you steal candy from children? Just curious.

"Stretch with the team. Be there for the National Anthem." - Ozzie Guillen's only two rules for Manny

by tailgater on Oct 5, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

gater's been around for a long while

he knows what he’s doing

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Oct 5, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not to worry...I'm old and have met many "larrys" over the years.

Mostly is softball bars.

"Stretch with the team. Be there for the National Anthem." - Ozzie Guillen's only two rules for Manny

by tailgater on Oct 5, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Perhaps, but I'm entitled to my opinion

whether it gets the “larry seal of approval” or not.

I assume we’re still suppose to share thoughts here, correct? Or if you’d like to send me your email, I’ll run my posts by you before sending.

Again, I stand corrected. Manny put up some fantastic “D” level stats (RBI included!) for the Sox this year. Kudos to him…worth every penny. We couldn’t have fallen off the cliff without him.

"Stretch with the team. Be there for the National Anthem." - Ozzie Guillen's only two rules for Manny

by tailgater on Oct 5, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

no one said you weren't entitled to your opinion.

try addressing substance instead of making things up.

by larry on Oct 5, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right...

You just referred to my opinion as “a waste” and “silly.”

Not sure what I made up…I’m pretty sure Manny got paid $3.8 million and hit 2 RBI.

I was going to launch into a diatribe, but really, why waste everyone’s time? Let’s let the dead horse rest in peace.

"Stretch with the team. Be there for the National Anthem." - Ozzie Guillen's only two rules for Manny

by tailgater on Oct 5, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

so you're entitled to your opinion.

but i’m not entitled to my opinion about the efficacy of your opinion. gotcha.

by larry on Oct 5, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Zing!

You’ve picked the perfect vocation, lar.

"Stretch with the team. Be there for the National Anthem." - Ozzie Guillen's only two rules for Manny

by tailgater on Oct 5, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

you make it look easy larry

i swear to god i had a dream last night that manny was traded to the sox
i woke up thinking it was true. so i had to check the internet, this could be another one of my premonitions so sit tight ;D
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 19, 2010 5:14 PM CDT

by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 5, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

or maybe manny made

$211,111 per hit
$43,181 per PA
$271,428 per BB
$5142 per point on his OPS.
Either way, it doesn’t really matter what amount he made per Xstat. You can take any stat and trace it to his dollar amount. Yes, Manny was paid $3.8mil by the sox and had two 3rbis, but does the correlation between the two really mean anything worth any value?

Why is this brainless, legless drunk still on my TV?-RWShow

by soxshenanigans on Oct 5, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmm...I think the Sox got shafted on the deal

but I hadn’t strayed anywhere near anti-semitic territory.

Perhaps larry doth protest too much? Oy vey!

"Stretch with the team. Be there for the National Anthem." - Ozzie Guillen's only two rules for Manny

by tailgater on Oct 5, 2010 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

this

Well, that a good manageris your opinion. by winningugly

by mick10 on Oct 5, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

am i antisemite for wrecking this?

"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Oct 5, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh. Then can I...? Ah well. Nevermind. Lost interest.

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
"Well, at least if she's disappointed on the wedding night you can tell her "Wait till next year!" - South Side Expat

by Shoeless In SC on Oct 5, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow...

who knew larry actually had a fan club?

Amazing.

"Stretch with the team. Be there for the National Anthem." - Ozzie Guillen's only two rules for Manny

by tailgater on Oct 5, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

i agree with somethings and disagree with others

and i tend to agree that basing a players performance only on rbis is not smart as rbis depend on the batters in front of you getting on base

by ndsoxfan on Oct 5, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

So how was he with RISP?

I’m sure everyone thought we were acquiring an OBP machine, not a SLG machine, when we got Manny.

Fer Chrissakes. Apologists.

I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 5, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

i imagine the thought was that the white sox were getting both.

roll the dice on just a month of a player and you certainly don’t know what you’re going to get out of it.

by larry on Oct 5, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes.

However, he was at least 50% disappointing.

I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 5, 2010 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

and for the record on kotsay

to keep the meaningless dollar amounts per going
$infinite per hit against leftys (or 0?)
$48,387 per RBI
$187,500 per HR
$1,500,000 per SB
$2,196 per point in OPS
$46,875 per BB
$19,230 per H

Man, look at those numbers, Kotsay clearly was the better value. I mean, those numbers are for the full year!

Did you know that Mauer was worth only $166,666 per RBI and $1,388,888 per HR? Bum.

Why is this brainless, legless drunk still on my TV?-RWShow

by soxshenanigans on Oct 5, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

infinite

these are all dollar amount / stat. any number divided by 0 is infinite.

by coffeepac on Oct 5, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

He was brought in as a DH, not a DW.

Fer Chrissakes, enough with his OBP. At least look at hit paltry power. When Juan Pierre outslugs you, it’s time to retire.

I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 5, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah.

applying that standard, every player in baseball would have to retire because everyone has had a month where juan pierre outslugs them.

by larry on Oct 5, 2010 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

His performance was disappointing.

That is all. I know folks go through slumps. Duh. It still doesn’t change the disappointment. A similar let-down was Rios’ ‘09 performance. (I don’t include Peavy’s because of his injuries both last and this year – not his fault.)

I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 5, 2010 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

and applying that standard

you probably should not include ramirez since the primary reason for his disappointing performance was injuries.

by larry on Oct 5, 2010 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

He was coming off an injury, and was supposedly healed.

However, if he was still damanged goods it’s another reason to corroborate my choice of KW as fan-murdering-est Sox of the year.

I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 5, 2010 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

$4MM chance?

Not sure I agree. I’d want a bit more of a “sure thing” than a “chance”, especially since he fucked it up in the first place re: Thome.

Really pissed at KW. He’s the boss, and it’s his accountability.

I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 5, 2010 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rios? :)

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
"Well, at least if she's disappointed on the wedding night you can tell her "Wait till next year!" - South Side Expat

by Shoeless In SC on Oct 5, 2010 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

no, you let me know. i'm busy.

Well, that a good manageris your opinion. by winningugly

by mick10 on Oct 6, 2010 6:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

people have argued here that the money spent on Manny

could have been spent on signing a FA this upcoming winter or in arbitrations/extensions.

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
"Well, at least if she's disappointed on the wedding night you can tell her "Wait till next year!" - South Side Expat

by Shoeless In SC on Oct 5, 2010 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

the same people would be arguing that

when they had a chance to improve DH at the end, chose to live AGAIN with Mark Kotsay.

Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."

Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."

by Tdogg on Oct 6, 2010 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

After reading your reply a few times I see what you're saying

Yeah. They’d be bitching about continuing to DH Kotsay. But I don’t see why the two can’t go together in a constructive fashion.

I think throwing that money at Manny was a waste and unnecessary, but I also think if OG let Kotsay DH into October it’d be a mistake too. He has other guys on the roster like Teahen, Quentin, Andruw, Flowers, Morel… that could have been a better use of those AB’s.

I don’t see why I can’t dislike both.

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
"Well, at least if she's disappointed on the wedding night you can tell her "Wait till next year!" - South Side Expat

by Shoeless In SC on Oct 6, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Huh?

It wasn’t just a matter of Kotsay. It was also about acquiring a needed bat. Some projections had Manny having the possibility of being worth a full WAR for his work. This was a no brainer for Kenny and he got it right.

It didnt work out but the risk/reward ratio was there. There is no proof whatsoever that the 4 million spent at the end of the season impacts the budget for 2011.

Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."

Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."

by Tdogg on Oct 6, 2010 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

let's keep in mind what his contract is.

the white sox will be paying him for the next three seasons. he will be a line item in the budget in each of those. i’m sure there’s an impact. i’m just not sure it’s a material one.

by larry on Oct 6, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fine. You're correct there.

I really should have said relevant impact.

Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."

Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."

by Tdogg on Oct 6, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Look. It's very simple.

Let’s say you make a budget for Christmas shopping. It’s $1000. You spent about $1200 last year, and you’d like to spend less because you don’t have as much money this year. Now, after making your budget, you go out and get a speeding ticket. $75. You weren’t planning on that, so you have to deduct $75 from somewhere in one of your budgets, and you can’t budge on any budget except your Christmas one. So you now have only $925 to spend on Christmas gifts.

Now, if you can prove to me, or give me some idea that the jewbaron planned on spending that $4 million and he wasn’t going to include it in his budget next year (and the years after), then fine. But you’re going to tell me that he planned on spending that $4 million no matter what?

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
"Well, at least if she's disappointed on the wedding night you can tell her "Wait till next year!" - South Side Expat

by Shoeless In SC on Oct 6, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Budgets are not static

and as I said there is a reward/risk ratio. Obviously the White Sox making the playoffs is worth quite a bit of money. Winning the World Series is worth a shit load of money. It wasn’t a blanket 4 mill payment either.

If you asking whether I think Reinsdorf said if we spend this money in this instance now I’m likely to hold some back next year the answer is no. I think he made a business decision for a specific moment in time.

Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."

Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."

by Tdogg on Oct 6, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

What he was thinking is irrelevant.

He threw $4mill, over the course of x years, to obtain what was thought to be at best a 1WAR player for this season. Does that 1 win put the Sox in the playoffs? No. What was the AL Central lead when the Sox claimed him? The Twins were up 4.5 games at the time.

It was a waste, let’s move on.

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
"Well, at least if she's disappointed on the wedding night you can tell her "Wait till next year!" - South Side Expat

by Shoeless In SC on Oct 6, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

lol, right that's certainly proof

Look. A lot of smart baseball folks have already weighed in on this. And surprise they tend to fall on the other side of the fence. We can certainly move on but it certainly doesn’t make you any less wrong.

Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."

Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."

by Tdogg on Oct 6, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

link?

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
"Well, at least if she's disappointed on the wedding night you can tell her "Wait till next year!" - South Side Expat

by Shoeless In SC on Oct 6, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Im not going back to google all that

I know off hand Joe Seehan wrote extensively on it in favor and here’s a link to the Baseball Think Factory for Dan Szymborski. You can do the rest of the leg work if you want.

Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."

Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."

by Tdogg on Oct 6, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Like your parents?

I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 6, 2010 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Does Colin not take out loans?

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
"Well, at least if she's disappointed on the wedding night you can tell her "Wait till next year!" - South Side Expat

by Shoeless In SC on Oct 6, 2010 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Do they not co-sign for him?

I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 6, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

My parents co-signed for one of mine.

That doesn’t mean that I won’t pay the loan back myself, ya know?

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
"Well, at least if she's disappointed on the wedding night you can tell her "Wait till next year!" - South Side Expat

by Shoeless In SC on Oct 6, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

But also, Federal loans don't require a co-signer

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
"Well, at least if she's disappointed on the wedding night you can tell her "Wait till next year!" - South Side Expat

by Shoeless In SC on Oct 6, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Federal" = taxpayer co-sign.

Grow up. ;)

I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 6, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't you wink at me old man!

Heh

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
"Well, at least if she's disappointed on the wedding night you can tell her "Wait till next year!" - South Side Expat

by Shoeless In SC on Oct 6, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'm still working on a formula

to give partial rbi credit to the batter who is on deck.

i am a bark for buffeting. i am a hound for thornypaws. i am a doe for swiftness. i am a tree for wind-siege. i am a windmill. i am a hole in a wall.

by BuehrleMan on Oct 5, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can you also make up one that does the opposite?

Say, gives more RBI credit to Paulie given the number of times either Teabag or Kotsay was behind him?

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 5, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

"When dealing with deep depression and sad shit,

its cool to pretend like nothing is wrong. That…sometimes works. But eventually, ya gotta call a goddamn spade a spade, and be like yo, Im fucked up and I gotta make a change!"
KP, S2E1

I hope Ozzie and KW see this episode while revamping this off season.

"Statistics are about as interesting as first base coaches" Jim Bouton

by Grinder Rule #42 on Oct 5, 2010 2:03 PM CDT reply actions  

outstanding

this season is shaping up to be more epic than season 1

i swear to god i had a dream last night that manny was traded to the sox
i woke up thinking it was true. so i had to check the internet, this could be another one of my premonitions so sit tight ;D
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 19, 2010 5:14 PM CDT

by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 5, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

this is awesome. there is video at the link as well.

bolivian president knees football opponent in the testicular zone

i am a bark for buffeting. i am a hound for thornypaws. i am a doe for swiftness. i am a tree for wind-siege. i am a windmill. i am a hole in a wall.

by BuehrleMan on Oct 5, 2010 3:28 PM CDT reply actions  

holy cow that's ridiculous

Hope he’s not writing the 2011 White Sox Anal too. -Sox Machine

by Jack M on Oct 5, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

i found this at the top, even better.

i swear to god i had a dream last night that manny was traded to the sox
i woke up thinking it was true. so i had to check the internet, this could be another one of my premonitions so sit tight ;D
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 19, 2010 5:14 PM CDT

by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 5, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

sorry fail

http://deadspin.com/5656213/you-arent-gay-if-you-kiss-a-girl-after-oral-sex?skyline=true&s=i

i swear to god i had a dream last night that manny was traded to the sox
i woke up thinking it was true. so i had to check the internet, this could be another one of my premonitions so sit tight ;D
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 19, 2010 5:14 PM CDT

by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 5, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

That might be the greatest thing ever written.

On so many levels. I’m impressed with her amount of whoring and at the same time, disgusted by it. Bravo, you magnificent slut.

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Oct 6, 2010 8:24 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

im not going to read all of that

but it looks like you put a lot of work into, so i’ll rec it. nice job K4L

i swear to god i had a dream last night that manny was traded to the sox
i woke up thinking it was true. so i had to check the internet, this could be another one of my premonitions so sit tight ;D
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 19, 2010 5:14 PM CDT

by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 5, 2010 4:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Excellent work KenWo.

You’re getting a rec fo sho.

"There he was!!! Dirtying his shiny Sox helmet!!!" - homesickalien at the brief glimpse of Manny Ramirez

by Servant2LordBeckham on Oct 5, 2010 4:19 PM CDT reply actions  

heh

Konerko, Sale, and Edwin Jackson made things very moist down below this season. that is all.

by Pretender85 on Oct 5, 2010 4:24 PM CDT reply actions  

For those who dislike Derek Jeter's fanworship,

but also think RJ Anderson of Fangraphs is a bit puffed up, the comments associated with this column are a stitch. (And if the term “SSS” re: stats has meaning, you’ll love it more.)

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/derek-jeters-4-6-3-nightmare/

I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 5, 2010 5:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Basically agree. Nice recap

Only issue I have is your Ozzie grade. No way he gets a “d-”. Yeah the crap with Kenny was a distraction but he is at least an average game manager. He manages the pitching staff fairly well and the lineup. He sometimes runs when he shouldn’t and the dh by committee turned out to be a flub. But give the guy a solid “c”.

I know you have a vendetta against him but we could do a lot worse. Bevington, Manuel, etc.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Oct 5, 2010 5:58 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Where HAVE you been, Robert?

I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 5, 2010 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

So you have been in a Turkish prison

Our manager wears 13, our closer sounds like Jinx, and we wear black. Let's play.

by ChiSoxRox on Oct 5, 2010 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

More like a Turk has been in him in prison.

Think William Hurt in “Kiss of the Spiderf Woman”.

I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 6, 2010 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, In-Deed.

Ed Farmer will tell you [Kotsay] hit the ball hard all season and could have easily hit .310. Ed Farmer is an idiot. Final Grade: F –KenWo4LiFe

by Uribe Down on Oct 5, 2010 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

FTT from today's THT
New York-Minnesota

The Yanks have a whammy on Minnesota. Since Ron Gardenhire became Twins manager in 2002, he’s faced the Yanks 72 times (including the postseason) and gone 18-54 in those games. Ouch.

The Twins and Yankees have faced each other in 22 series. The Twins have won four of them. Meanwhile, the Yankees have swept the Twins nine times, including the 2009 ALDS.

Oh, and reports are that Justin Morneau is out this postseason. Ooph!

—Chris Jaffe

The Yankees will likely start two left handers versus the Twins. CC Sabathia and Andy Pettitte mean Delmon Young will need to continue to produce as he has in his breakout 2010 season. Home run threat Jim Thome’s contributions will be dampened by New York’s two southpaw starters, but Thome could see important at-bats in late innings. In the end, New York is too deep and should handle the Twins easily.

—David Wade

As far as I’m concerned, the Yankees are making a mistake starting Phil Hughes in Game Three at the Bronx. His fly ball tendencies would be better served on the road at Target Field.

The Yankees will have their hands full facing two quality left handers in Francisco Liriano and Brian Duensing (the Yankees are collectively hitting .258/.342/.426 this season against left-handed starters) along with a bullpen that leans toward the groundball side of things.

In 238 career plate appearances, Mark Teixeira has hit .374/.416/.526 against the Twins (but has struggled against Liriano in only 17 PAs, hitting .188/.235/.375. In only 12 PAs, Alex Rodriguez has struggled offensively at Target Field with a line of .182/.250/.182.. But this is an extremely small sample, so I wouldn’t take it too seriously.

Prediction: Yankees win 3-2. The Yankees do well against finesse pitchers and I think they still have enough firepower to push ahead, but it won’t be easy.

—Vince Caramela

"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Oct 6, 2010 8:48 AM CDT reply actions  

Imagine my surprise and revulsion this AM

when I opened my Orlando Sentinel rag and saw a full page of Philthy Rogers’ meanderings on the playoffs. FFS, I move across the country and still have to read this numbnut’s pontifications.

I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 6, 2010 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Haven't you heard?

He’s a nationally respected writer.

Ramirez’s actual answer: "That’s a stupid question. I’m here to play baseball and that has nothing to do with playing baseball."

Cora’s translation: "I’m just worried about playing baseball. I’m not worried about hair or nothing."

by Tdogg on Oct 6, 2010 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

he is at the top of baseball writers

who look like old lesbians.

i am a bark for buffeting. i am a hound for thornypaws. i am a doe for swiftness. i am a tree for wind-siege. i am a windmill. i am a hole in a wall.

by BuehrleMan on Oct 6, 2010 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Like Roger Ebert (pre-illness)?

"Stretch with the team. Be there for the National Anthem." - Ozzie Guillen's only two rules for Manny

by tailgater on Oct 6, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

FFS?

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
"Well, at least if she's disappointed on the wedding night you can tell her "Wait till next year!" - South Side Expat

by Shoeless In SC on Oct 6, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

fer fucks sake.

or fuck the foreign service, diplomatic assholes.

by coffeepac on Oct 6, 2010 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh. Wondered if it was Fuck Flo Swisher. Or Fuck Fanny Swisher.

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
"Well, at least if she's disappointed on the wedding night you can tell her "Wait till next year!" - South Side Expat

by Shoeless In SC on Oct 6, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

You should see the Sun-Times

I didn’t think major metropolitan newspapers published blowjobs – but the story on the Twins qualifies.

In other words – the Twins are perfection. They are, like, so amazing.

The Twins are.. the light of my life. Um.. I know I speak for the others.. uh, when I say they are.. so amazing.. you know? And, uh.. they’re just.. I wish.. you know.. I wish I could know them more, you know? Because..they…they are one of a kind, you know? The Twins. I think about them all the time, and.. well, I’m wondering – should we kill them?

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Oct 6, 2010 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Failing that, we should put the Twins in a big jar in our basement.

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Oct 6, 2010 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

He sure knows how to raise the old blood pressure doesn't he...

He completely embellished his claims…he made it sound like now that the season is done Thome decided to sit down with him for a one-on-one about how the White Sox motivated him to be a different player/animal. From what I remember Thome was a pretty motivated guy regardless….and of course Span is going to play tow the company line and be a stinker. Fuck that, he got one quote from the guy and crafted a piece of yellow-journalism that he knew would piss off every White Sox fan in town. When will his sources within the organization completely shun his gestures?

"Kotsay should get the Golden Goebbels" by 67WMAQ

by Rhubarb on Oct 6, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

OT: do you have much to say about the trib profile in today's times?

"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Oct 6, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not really

Doesn’t have any bearing on what happens on a day to day basis.

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Oct 6, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

No comment (hides bandaged hands)

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Oct 6, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Way to be on Al Yellon's good side, KenWo.

I mean, congrats on the Editor’s Pick.

Ed Farmer will tell you [Kotsay] hit the ball hard all season and could have easily hit .310. Ed Farmer is an idiot. Final Grade: F –KenWo4LiFe

by Uribe Down on Oct 7, 2010 5:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Al Yellon is a great judge of talent and character!

unlike the Cheat who promotes weakness and keeps real talent down! Do the right thing cheat…. KENWO 4 AUTHOR 2010. My resume speaks for itself… 5 of my last 6 posts have been recommended for christ sakes.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 7, 2010 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Finally got a chance to take a peek at this. Gold star, Kenwo. Fair assessment overall and a few laughs.

I still don’t think you should be in any position to influence the misguided youth of America.
But hopefully – hopefully – you are learning something from them.

"My 80 year old babysitter always hated it when black people won on Price is Right and Wheel of Fortune." -Rhubarb, 10/6/10

by homesickalien on Oct 8, 2010 11:42 PM CDT reply actions  

"jk"

No you aren’t.

And that’s why we love you, dickhead!

"I love holding the tip and just nibbling" - blackoutsox

by RWShow on Oct 11, 2010 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

You really are Kenny Powers.

I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 12, 2010 6:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

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