Alexei Ramirez didn’t leave the awards season empty-handed. He might have been snubbed in the Gold Glove voting, but he came away with his first Silver Slugger Award on Thursday.
But with the good news came the somewhat bad news I’d forgotten about — it gives Ramirez another reason to opt out of the $1.1 million he’s set to earn in 2011, and enter arbitration instead. The Sox can then exercise a club option for $2.75 million.
Also, I did not know this. It's not on Cot's Contracts, anyway.
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"I have discovered in 20 years of moving around a ballpark, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. "
Bill Veeck
by Chiburb on Nov 12, 2010 12:49 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
He really didn't like the Peavy deal, huh.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 12, 2010 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
my fave, "melon" indeed:
RACE there’s only ONE RACE, HUMAN. Ignorance and GREED IS WHY we continue to define others by the melon on their skin This a control factor to keep people at each others throat. The same clowns that run that club, buy those players jerseys. I hope someone buys that club and fires them all.
"I have discovered in 20 years of moving around a ballpark, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. "
Bill Veeck
by Chiburb on Nov 12, 2010 1:11 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
that's a gem, brother chi
"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Nov 12, 2010 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
wtf is he talking about
And I assume he means melanin.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 12, 2010 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
Some Chicago Bears were denied entry to a club... was it racism?
Perhaps we would’ve meant melanin, but I’m not smart enough to divine his intent.
"I have discovered in 20 years of moving around a ballpark, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. "
Bill Veeck
If somebody actually has melon on their face while walking into a club...
I would think the bouncer is entitled not only to “define”, but to have judgement about that person’s character.
Look in the mirror, for heaven’s sakes.
by TasteeFreeze on Nov 12, 2010 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
Unless it's watermelon, in which case, yep, it's racism.
"Even when he finally screws her, he’s wearing the watermelon rind as a hat."
Nostalgia alert: Slow news day when Geoff Blum's signing is Fangraphs news.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/blum-in-arizona/
Fer Chrissakes, RJ.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
I think everything that can be said about the David DeJesus trade has been said.
by TasteeFreeze on Nov 12, 2010 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
not til every last cent can be earned
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
Not until you read this:
http://www.ranyontheroyals.com/2010/11/somebody-messed-with-dejesus.html
"I have discovered in 20 years of moving around a ballpark, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. "
Bill Veeck
by Chiburb on Nov 12, 2010 7:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ozzie used the Silver Slugger Award
to justify what a great job Greg Walker is doing. I tweeted/asked him if Walker should get credit for Q, Beckham, Kotsay, Teahen and AJ this year. Crickets.
I then tweeted him asking if he could explain what it is Walker’s been doing that we outsiders can’t see that is so awesome. Again, crickets. Ozzie’s tweets were directed at all of Walk’s critics and I applaud him for standing up for his guy. However, he should answer the complaints of those who point out how many of our guys under perform at the plate and make some of the stupidest batting decisions in the league. Someone is reinforcing those bad decisions. Whoever it is deserves only scorn and a one way ticket out of town…
Not sure if Alexei deserved the Silver Slugger Award, but I am sure he got jobbed by Jeter The Terrible…
he was the best hitting shortstop in the AL
and that’s who the award’s supposed to go to.
Fireworks: Bang?
if we consider him the best fielding ss in the AL,
does that mean..he’s the best ss period?
by obnoxious american on Nov 12, 2010 5:32 PM CST up reply actions
he probably was this season
to some degree, that speaks to the down year in SS. Alexei pretty much maxes out as a 3.5 win player.
Fireworks: Bang?
this
"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Nov 12, 2010 6:48 PM CST up reply actions
oh boy don't get me started....
Wrong. 4+ next year…
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
you don't think his career average is about what he can do as a hitter?
i guess he can have a good year and beat that, true.
Fireworks: Bang?
I think you're underselling just how talented the guy is
He’s always fighting a regression to his habits from when he didn’t have to use any thought to dominate. He made a straight jump from Cuban and international baseball to the AL as well as anyone could have hoped. If he learned to hit in April and use his hand-eye skills to lay off bad pitches, he would be even better. He’s a rare talent and his adjustments, in perspective, have been rapid.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 14, 2010 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
He could do better than that.
The only physical thing stopping him is chilly weather.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 14, 2010 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
there's no way to know for sure from three Aprils
but if you struggle in cold weather, it’s because you don’t exactly have bat speed to spare.
Fireworks: Bang?
He has a long swing, but his hand-eye coordination allows him to connect
Regardless, three years now he’s struggled in April and September. It may not be weather but whatever it is it he’s worse. I’m not sure it’s a bat speed problem, Dayan Viciedo has the same issue with April, right? I feel like it’s a mental thing, or if it’s physical at least it is not directly related to bat speed. Tank has as much as you need.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 14, 2010 7:57 PM CST up reply actions
there's no really good reason to think that his April struggles
are meaningful. DV has much better bat speed. i wouldn’t call Alexei’s swing long. he’s just not that strong. he’s wiry.
Fireworks: Bang?
I think he's plenty strong...
the man simply lacks mass.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 14, 2010 11:44 PM CST up reply actions
i mean compared to Konerko, or Viciedo for that matter.
his bat speed is relatively lacking. he’s a skinny shortstop. this is not surprising.
Fireworks: Bang?
I wouldn't make that assumption with Viciedo
He hasn’t struggled in April as much as he’s struggled getting adjusted to a level of professional baseball he’d never reached before.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Nov 14, 2010 10:52 PM CST up reply actions
sure, he could. colin said that.
not sure why would should expect him to. we’ve got three years worth of offensive performance, arguably prime ones. and his best was three years ago.
It isn't as though he's fallen off a cliff
Besides, most of his value comes from defense. There’s more potential offensively, that’s all. I’m not expecting too much more.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 14, 2010 8:02 PM CST up reply actions
the ss position is a defense first position, much like catcher.
His offense is more than acceptable if he fields his position like he did this year.
If is is one handed shitting. by winningugly
no one said he'd fallen off a cliff.
if you think there’s more potential, fine. but he’s been pretty steady for three seasons now. i think we know what to expect.
i don't agree
i think his bat speed is okay at best. he looked best in ‘08, but i think that was not knowing how to pitch to him (where are you going to get a scouting report on a Cuban?). he’s going to have his problems with RHP as long as they can locate the fastball and have a decent breaking ball. he’s a .270/.310/.410 hitter against RHP. sometimes he’ll have better luck and his ISO will go up and sometimes (like when it’s cold out), he’s going to look worse.
Fireworks: Bang?
what is his bat speed?
I’ve never read that or heard anyone say his bat speed was not good. Is that an eye test thing or an actual measurement or stat?
If is is one handed shitting. by winningugly
blerg.
*the ol’ eye test. it probably will be a stat soon enough. it’s not that hard to infer bat speed though. and “not good” isn’t exactly right. compared to a lot of other shortstops it’s good. he’s had a league average ISO, in fact. but i think his ISO vs. RHP reflects his problems turning on bigger fastballs for extra bases, which i see as a bat speed issue.
Fireworks: Bang?
I totally agree
I don’t think he’s reached his prime offensively yet. Personally I do think April is mental. I don’t know what his max is but I expect at least one year where he puts it all together offensively. A year and half ago I heard his max was 2, then it was 3 now its 3.5. I say he bust 4 next year. I know folks are not down on him (well save for the goof on Jim’s blog who constantly makes up shit) and folks recognize his value, but I do feel he doesn’t get enough love from a few of our editors. I love me some Alexei!
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
Again...
I didn’t say Alexei didn’t deserve the Silver Slugger. I simply did not know whether or not that was true. Not judging. Simply ignorant on the overall hitting of the other shortstops in the league. I’m glad Alexei won.
Now, I do know that Alexei had the best glove at Short and got jobbed.
How did you watch enough baseball
To know he was the best fielder, but not the best hitter?
by Grinder in Training on Nov 13, 2010 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
the espn eye test.
"Quentin was unbelievable in right field for the Chicago White Sox." -Carl Ravech, Best of Baseball Tonight Web Gem Awards
An 8 on the Buehrle meter
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Nov 14, 2010 4:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Thought the Thome thing
was the ultimate dead horse…
the kotsay horse will never die
4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow
by blackoutsox on Nov 13, 2010 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
seems rather boring to obsess about it at this point.
bad move in one season that doesn’t have much, if any, bearing on later seasons. time to move on.
agreed
it’s not like signing alfonso soriano
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
thank god we get to remove that albatross soon
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
You think he's moved? Really?
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 14, 2010 12:10 AM CST up reply actions
one year left
4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow
Yeah... I think that's still wishful thinking. He maybe gets moved at the deadline...
but honestly, the Sox owe him that money, and sadly, he’s probably better than the garbage we have in the minors to replace him.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 15, 2010 6:14 PM CST up reply actions
For the record..
Ozzie raised the Walker issue by posting a blowjob of a tweet for Walk saying he should get the credit for Alexei. Why not give credit to Alexei for Alexei? If you give Walk credit for one individual, should he not get credit – good and bad – for the performance of all the others? Just saying…
well then i think walk deserves credit for konerko having his best season in years,
alex rios turning around his 2009, alexei, beckham turning around his 2010 on a dime, andruw jones finding a bit of his power swing, viciedo hitting .300, vizquel avoiding father time once more, etc. its just stupid. these guys are major league hitters. walker can only do so much for each of them. the most important thing was beckham came back around thank god.
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 13, 2010 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
True.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 14, 2010 12:11 AM CST up reply actions
Could there be a more perfect fall day?
May the gods continue to smile down on Mighty Meechigan and grant us a glorious victory v the suck that is Boilerdom. As God is my witness, I shall personally witness the Holiness of this victory on the despoiled grounds of Ross-Aids.
Btw wtf Jeter gets gold glove and Alexei gets Silver Bat???
"We are strong enough as we are and everything fits together in such a way that the only thing we were going to add would be something of an impact guy," KW
by ChicagoPete on Nov 12, 2010 4:18 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Like waking up before noon.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
by winningugly on Nov 12, 2010 4:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
That's twice you've burned colin today.
Literally on fire, OPOS.
"Somebody is going to eat TP's thread's pussy, or I'm going to cut your fucking throat." - homesickalien
We'll beat Purdon't.
But the next two weeks won’t be pretty. I’m real tired of losing to OSU…
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 13, 2010 8:54 AM CST up reply actions
Purdue, wow
That place is pretty sad all around, no need to make that road trip again.
"We are strong enough as we are and everything fits together in such a way that the only thing we were going to add would be something of an impact guy," KW
weird ass stadium...you walk in and you are basically at the top of the stadium
I went once to Michigan/Purdue years ago when Purdue came back to win. Brees was the QB and I remember charging the field and trying to climb to goal posts to no avail. Gave Brees a high five though.
Then hit some crappy bar and ran out on the tab…
the old reckless abandon years in my early 20’s. kinda like colin, I guess
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 14, 2010 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
They grease the goal posts
They’re also built in the ground pretty solidly to prevent any ground-level force from getting it done.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
Lamest student section I ever saw
By the end of the first quarter their section of the stadium was not even 25% full, while all the alumni and visitor seats were jammed. The students I did bump into at our tailgate were completed wasted by 11am from their “breakfast club” nonsense, it’s no wonder none of them make it to the game. I guess nothing says tradition more than getting comatose drunk at 7am on a Saturday.
"We are strong enough as we are and everything fits together in such a way that the only thing we were going to add would be something of an impact guy," KW
Re: comatose drunk at brink of dawn
You’d do whatever you could too in attempt to forget you live in West Lafayette.
No lie, bwana.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
What I don't understand
is that with all the hand wringing going on about binge drinking on college campuses, that a Big Ten university basically condones this nonsense with tacit approval. It would be a very simple thing to stop this by changing the W Laf liquor license law to no bar being allowed to open before 10am eg. Certainly not a hardship for a business owner.
But the local politicians are in the pocket of the bar owners, and the university doesn’t give a shit because it keeps the students fat, drunk and stupid just the way they like them. What I don’t understand is how the parents put up with that kind of nonsense. If I were paying out Big Ten tuition and saw my kid stumbling around drunk before noon every Saturday I would tell the admin either you do something about it or I’m sending my kid somewhere else. These mouthbreather Purdue grads I was tailgating with thought it was hilarious.
I’ve been to 8 Big Ten campuses for football games and never saw anything this sad. I’m certainly not a prude and have seen and partaken in my share of heavy drinking, but this was way beyond the pale.
"We are strong enough as we are and everything fits together in such a way that the only thing we were going to add would be something of an impact guy," KW
I can't judge hasrshly
because I got hammered quite a bit before games in 1975-1979. Sometimes where I didn’t remember the game. It is a long, long-standing tradition. And if you’ve not been to an SEC game, well, Purdue folkl are amateurs when it comes to SEC drinking.
But I do agree with you – getting absolutely blasted at 11 AM is no way to live. However, Purdue grads are generally not stupid. Fat, yes, happy, perhaps, but not stupid.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
It's not 11am, they start at 7am
and line up for the bars at 6:30am. So they either sleep three hours and go at it again in the morning, or the stay up all night and continue. I suspect it’s the latter because you could drag yourself to the game if it’s the former. And it’s not one game they do it for, it’s every home game plus the Grand Prix.
College=drinking on every campus, it’s not just Purdue but this is utterly ridiculous and a brazenly out in the open example and the university does nothing about it.
The hypocrisy is what disturbs me. Higher ed plays lip service to binge drinking, but something like this goes on right under the admin’s nose and it’s very easy to put a stop to it but they do nothing. As long as they can keep jacking up tuition every year no one gives a shit, it all reeks of the worst kind of cynicism.
This recession is hitting recent college grads very hard. Maybe it’s time that higher ed in this country gets held accountable. The past 20yrs have been endless tuition increases financed by borrowed funds, and all that money pouring in has done is bloated the bureaucracy even further. I guess a good strategy if you want to go unquestioned while you fleece someone is to keep them in a perpetual haze.
"We are strong enough as we are and everything fits together in such a way that the only thing we were going to add would be something of an impact guy," KW
It's only 6 days a year..
Maybe 8 if you’re the Ohio State or Florida type program and you refuse to play away games out of conference because you don’t have to.
While it’s a bit ridiculous, sure is a stretch to bring up the game day drinking and the excessive costs of college in the same post. They are completely separate issues.
And it’s not very easy to stop. To suggest it is ignorant. It’s not like these kids aren’t binge drinking when they don’t have games. The fact they do it in large groups, where there are adults to supervise them and see what happens if something goes wrong is probably a much safer situation than their average Friday night in some frat house.
by Grinder in Training on Nov 15, 2010 8:37 AM CST up reply actions
There's binge drinking
and then there’s binge drinking. Getting regularly hammered at 7am is way beyond the pale.
"We are strong enough as we are and everything fits together in such a way that the only thing we were going to add would be something of an impact guy," KW
Maybe because I'm still a part of the binge drinking culture is why I''m having a hard time understanding this logic.
So a bunch of college kids get really drunk early in the morning before the seven home football games each year. And this is somehow absurd? They’re college kids on a Saturday. It’s not like they have real responsibilities.
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
I knew there was some science involved with this
New Study Finds College Binge Drinking to be a Blast
AMHERST, MA—Researchers at the University of Massachusetts released a surprising new study Monday indicating that, contrary to long-held beliefs about its destructive effects, collegiate binge drinking is a fucking blast.
“Data collected at bars and fraternity parties on the UMass campus has yielded unexpected conclusions with regard to the practice of binge drinking,” study head Dr. Albert Greaves said. “Over the course of our research, a consistent pattern emerged demonstrating that binge drinking seriously kicks ass.”
"We are strong enough as we are and everything fits together in such a way that the only thing we were going to add would be something of an impact guy," KW
by ChicagoPete on Nov 15, 2010 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
How is that worse?
If anything I’d rather you get drunk at 7am.. at least you’ll pass out around noon. Much safer than someone who gets black out drunk at 2 in the morning.
by Grinder in Training on Nov 15, 2010 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
O tempora o mores!
"We are strong enough as we are and everything fits together in such a way that the only thing we were going to add would be something of an impact guy," KW
by ChicagoPete on Nov 15, 2010 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
Mom and Dad are right there with them quite often.
"I was the nicest Hitler ever, pulling out chairs for old women and what not." -Rhubarb
by South Side Expat on Nov 14, 2010 6:57 PM CST up reply actions
I'm as guilty as the next guy
College football=fun=drinking heavily. I get together once a year with my college buddies for a reunion game and it all revolves around excess. Why? I dunno, no one has ever questioned it, it’s just what you did when you were in college so you come back and relive it.
"We are strong enough as we are and everything fits together in such a way that the only thing we were going to add would be something of an impact guy," KW
being completely shitbombed by 11 is definitely not something
Purdue has a monopoly on. it’s obvious that they’re perfectly happy being the second or third best program in Indiana and that has an effect on the student body.
Fireworks: Bang?
Well the football team is 2nd best
and generally the basketball team is first or second. I wouldn’t say third.
Or are you a Butler fan?
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
Ball State.
"I have discovered in 20 years of moving around a ballpark, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. "
Bill Veeck
yeah you're right
they’re usually better than IU or ND in either sport. and it is a crime to forget about basketball in Indiana.
Fireworks: Bang?
Where would any of you rank Alexei among current shortstops?
If he was the best hitting shortstop in the AL, and perhaps should have won the Gold Glove, is he one of the 4 or 5 best SS in the game?
"Somebody is going to eat TP's thread's pussy, or I'm going to cut your fucking throat." - homesickalien
after Hanley and Tulo, there's a bunch of guys who could be 3-5 in a given year
Alexei’s in that group. there’s a serious lack of quality SS in the AL. very disorienting to my 13 year old self.
Fireworks: Bang?
Happy birthday! I thought you were 12 still.
"I have discovered in 20 years of moving around a ballpark, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. "
Bill Veeck
by Chiburb on Nov 12, 2010 7:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
You may be a grumpy OPOS, but this comment is gold.
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
I wouldnt trade him for any.
Couldn’t be happier with him at SS.
"I have discovered in 20 years of moving around a ballpark, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. "
Bill Veeck
by Chiburb on Nov 12, 2010 7:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
No, I'm pretty sure I'd trade him for Tulo
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 12, 2010 9:15 PM CST up reply actions
Who? This another Chicago reference I won't get?
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 12, 2010 11:41 PM CST up reply actions
If facebook friends were home runs, SSS just passed Hank Aaron on the all-time list
Despite Cheat’s inactivity, the site value is going through the roof.
Excellent.
Spends more time deciding whether or not to shave than on producing content. FFS.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
SSS just took the "Which GREASE character are you?!?" Test.
Click here to find out results!
"I was the nicest Hitler ever, pulling out chairs for old women and what not." -Rhubarb
by South Side Expat on Nov 13, 2010 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
speaking of which
expect to get killed by me this week in SSS duel
4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow
Uh huh. You lost to the worst team in the league!
I should know; that team is mine.
FFF
"Somebody is going to eat TP's thread's pussy, or I'm going to cut your fucking throat." - homesickalien
Oh, if that only were the case!
".... and in closing, lick. my. balls." - U God
by DrEmilioLizardo on Nov 15, 2010 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
oahu420 -- what's good to do on your island? here til late monday night.
I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.
I wish I was there to take you on what I call the "oahu420 circle- island tour"
But I am currently in Hegewisch (South Chicago), helping my elderly father.
I lived on the North Shore for about 20 of my 26 years in Hawaii and I advise spending the days hitting the North Shore beaches. (the three mile coast from Waimea Bay to Sunset would be the best at this time of year with the high winter surf.) but the night life is all in Waikiki where the bars are open till 5AM.
Seriously tho, I would have liked to meet up with you for a mai-tai or two if I was on the island.
likewise about the mai-tais
probably won’t make it to the north shore, but i am staying in waikiki. looking forward to tonight’s closing times.
mahalo!
I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.
by thatshortkid on Nov 13, 2010 7:19 PM CST up reply actions
Don't forget the Bears are on at 8am tomorrow.
Lots of breakfast buffets in Waikiki where you can nurse your hangover and watch football all morning.
Maybin to the Padres for two relievers
Wow, his stock fell fast. You’d think they could get more than that for him.
"Quentin was unbelievable in right field for the Chicago White Sox." -Carl Ravech, Best of Baseball Tonight Web Gem Awards
No kiddin'
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 14, 2010 12:12 AM CST up reply actions
wish Linebrink had the opposite option...
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 13, 2010 8:53 PM CST up reply actions
Anyone else excited that Fan Scouting Reports are on Fangraphs' player pages?
I’m going out drinking to celebrate. FSR, baby!!!
"Even when he finally screws her, he’s wearing the watermelon rind as a hat."
by Uribe Down on Nov 13, 2010 10:55 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
holy shit
if you think it gets boring around these parts during the off season, you should check out royals review. they reach for content so far as to breakdown the value of $11 at taco bell.
http://www.royalsreview.com/2010/11/13/1811961/what-will-11-get-you-at-taco-bell
"Statistics are about as interesting as first base coaches" Jim Bouton
by Grinder Rule #42 on Nov 15, 2010 9:44 AM CST reply actions
It makes one wonder why we don't have similar output.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 15, 2010 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
quick someone do a breakdown
of la pasadita 1, 2, and 3 on ashland and division.
"Statistics are about as interesting as first base coaches" Jim Bouton
by Grinder Rule #42 on Nov 15, 2010 9:59 AM CST up reply actions
I'll grab the Las Asadas review when it comes to it.
Except, since there’s no nutritional information provided, it’ll have to be a four-month study.
"Even when he finally screws her, he’s wearing the watermelon rind as a hat."
3 last I checked
the two on the west side of ashland and the one on the east side, all right there just south of division…
"Statistics are about as interesting as first base coaches" Jim Bouton
by Grinder Rule #42 on Nov 16, 2010 10:04 AM CST up reply actions
I remember the walk-in off the alley on the east side
and the sit down on the west side. Nobody’s old enough, anymore, to remember Arandas on the corner, right?
Would get a stiffy just watching the guy scoop up a spatula of beef and throw it on the grill, 3:00am, Sunday morning, needing just a little more base to close the five-o-clock joints. That sweaty, moon-faced Mexican man was my friend.
by TasteeFreeze on Nov 16, 2010 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
“needing just a little more base to close the five-o-clock joints”
Do we have a fellow crack connoisseur in our midst?
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
by rhythm on Nov 16, 2010 12:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Quick, Someone get Rhubarb his "writing juice."
"I was the nicest Hitler ever, pulling out chairs for old women and what not." -Rhubarb
by South Side Expat on Nov 15, 2010 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
No problem, just get me WU's cialis…
"Somebody is going to eat TP's thread's pussy, or I'm going to cut your fucking throat." - homesickalien
I'm still waiting for a bottle of Johnny Walker Blue.
"Kotsay should get the Golden Goebbels" by 67WMAQ
SSE
I’ll write something but it has to be baseball related and I don’t have much motivation or stimuli. Any suggestions?
"Kotsay should get the Golden Goebbels" by 67WMAQ
Something about the winter meetings maybe?
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
But Jerry and Kenny already made their decisions off-season moves in Ex Nihilo Nihil Fit.
Maybe an Emperor Wears No Clothes remake with Sabean as emperor? Or a softcore-gay-fabio-style porno-jewel checkout aisle trade-rag starring Buster Posey in Haight-Ashbury? How about a snuff yarn starring FNS and the Golden Child Glover? Or perhaps an Andromeda Strain inspired thriller about a group of stat geeks battling some sort of inconsequential stat disease? A 3 page political metaphor of baseball teams representing political parties (TeaParty=Pirates) A Connecticut Yankee inspired tragedy with FNS as the main character, place him in 1907 playing against Ty Cobb and being mercilessly tortured for plucking his eyebrows, manicuring his sideburns and acting like a fucking uppity ass-clown fop. Just for appetizers.
"Kotsay should get the Golden Goebbels" by 67WMAQ
Oooo Ooooo Ooooo
How about a alternate history story, kind of like one of those South won the war science-historical fiction pieces but base it on Josh Hamilton’s life if he had further succumbed to drug and alcohol abuse? I like it…a dark tragicomedy with a bittersweet ending only because his life was thankfully finally over.
"Kotsay should get the Golden Goebbels" by 67WMAQ
what your on
I want it
4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow
by blackoutsox on Nov 16, 2010 10:58 PM CST up reply actions
Well, one thought-
Today I was in a “I’ve got this jug of vinegar, lets clean shit around the apartment” kinda mood (I needed to cycle the humidifiers through a cleaning cycle.)
While I was doing that, I thought about hitting up stainless steel coffee stuff, so I did. My Sox coffee mug has an exterior of stainless, but a plastic insert, and on the rare occasion I take them apart, there is a nice amount of gunk around the seal area.
You could write about that gunk.
"I was the nicest Hitler ever, pulling out chairs for old women and what not." -Rhubarb
by South Side Expat on Nov 16, 2010 8:19 PM CST up reply actions
A whole alternate universe, exists in small scale in your mug gunk
homage to Martin’s “Sandkings”. (Yes… I am trying to be facetiously pretentious toward George R.R. Martin.)
"Kotsay should get the Golden Goebbels" by 67WMAQ
why don't you reference that simpsons hallowe'en episode
so’s we can all understand and appreciate it?
I should have known Simpsons did Sandkings...
The Simpsons broke everything. FTS.
"Kotsay should get the Golden Goebbels" by 67WMAQ
Could make it so when I say "I seem to be having tremendous difficulty with my lifestyle"
It causes the Gunkizens to launch an interstellar battle fleet against the North Side of Chicago. Due to a terrible miscalculation of scale the entire battle fleet was swallowed by a trendy small dog.
I mean, if you want to homage…
"I was the nicest Hitler ever, pulling out chairs for old women and what not." -Rhubarb
by South Side Expat on Nov 16, 2010 9:11 PM CST up reply actions
Not entirely too bizarre
seeing as they had 54 comments on that exact subject throughout the season. Not like there is much else to write about for them other than the DeJesus trade.
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
thats actually pretty darn funny
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
Someone needs to get their creative juices flowing around here
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 15, 2010 6:13 PM CST up reply actions
Redskins making it harder to complain about Teahen
While McNabb is getting that contract.
by Grinder in Training on Nov 15, 2010 2:44 PM CST reply actions
hes been hit more than any other qb this season.
not entirely his fault.
"Quentin was unbelievable in right field for the Chicago White Sox." -Carl Ravech, Best of Baseball Tonight Web Gem Awards
He's 34 next week
And has not performed well, and has continued to break down physically. While the team is obviously not helping him, I find it hard to believe he’s going to find the fountain of youth there either.
by Grinder in Training on Nov 15, 2010 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
that organiation is historically bad with it's money
this may be the worst deal of all though, heck he’s going to be as old as Favre by the time its up…and its 40mil guaranteed!
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
by signing him now, they presumably can apply much of the guaranteed money to this (salary cap free) season.
at least, one would hope they can do that.
this is very true
4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow
i don't care about the years either
From what I’ve seen giving Mcnabb 40 million in guaranteed cash is foolish.
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
nice 360
4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow
That's fine..
I understand why they signed him now, I realize it’s an uncapped season. It’s the contract they signed him to at this time that I find to be ridiculous.
by Grinder in Training on Nov 15, 2010 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
Jesus Christ, that is an awful deal.
"Somebody is going to eat TP's thread's pussy, or I'm going to cut your fucking throat." - homesickalien
And I like McNabb, but… wow.
"Somebody is going to eat TP's thread's pussy, or I'm going to cut your fucking throat." - homesickalien
McNabb might actually not pull a favre and retire before that
4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow
psh why not, i would too
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
TP was wondering about this
WAR is dished out by PA, but there are a number of adjustments you could make given that both fielding innings AND plate appearances contribute to one’s WAR. Tango says:
The innings or PA thing is purely for convenience. I suppose if we are going to be a stickler for it, you should convert PA to a games equivalent (divide PA by 4.3, or some team factor, or even some teams/lineup factor), fielding innings into a games equivalent (divide IP by 9). And then you need the weighted average the two. Since the spread in hitting is about twice that of fielding, you’d probably want to weight the PA calculation at 2:1 compared to the fielding calculation. Futhermore, you’d want to do it on a position basis, so that the C or SS weight would be different from the DH or 1B weight.
there are some good comments too, so scroll down.
Fireworks: Bang?
I think you just whoshed 90% of the populace here.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 15, 2010 5:57 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, I read the thread... I meant all that stat speak and formula messin' just whoshed everyone
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 15, 2010 9:25 PM CST up reply actions
At least me. It whoshed me. Perhaps I'm just tired.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 15, 2010 9:28 PM CST up reply actions
basically the issue is that wOBA is a runs per plate appearance stat
while UZR (or, pick a fielding stat) is figured per out or per inning (same thing, really). and how many PAs you get per inning of defense can vary based on whether or not you get subbed out or where you bat in the order. so when you put the two together and compare them to others, you get slightly different comparisons that aren’t exactly based on the talent of the player in question. other teams might Juan Pierre 9th and that would give him a lot fewer plate appearances per game.
Fireworks: Bang?
Oh. Well thank you Colin. Now, why can't Tango just talk like you just did.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 15, 2010 10:12 PM CST up reply actions
Tango may talk like that; how he writes is a different story.
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
Yeah, I was going to ask about the innings played vs. games played. Thanks a lot for the link.
"Even when he finally screws her, he’s wearing the watermelon rind as a hat."
After reading, that's even more helpful.
I see now that the intent to be extremely precise in regards to WAR can ultimately be either beside the point or an exercise in futility, especially with the sample size issues inherent in using defensive metrics. I’ll be happy with +/- 0.25 wins from now on.
I like how Wyers refers to it as “the Juan Pierre problem.” Also, left field is a premium defensive position? Since when?
"Even when he finally screws her, he’s wearing the watermelon rind as a hat."
I wouldn't have minded this deal
Didn’t Kenny have a crush on him at one point?
buchholz
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
why the guy has done nothing
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
if you clicked on the link, you might disagree
Buchholz, 29, tossed 21 1/3 innings in the minors this year and another 12 in the bigs. He had Tommy John surgery in June of ’09 after an excellent ’08 season for Colorado. He earned $1.055MM in each of the last two seasons and will be arbitration eligible again this winter. The Red Sox will have the opportunity to retain Buchholz for the 2012 season if he pitches well next year.
4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow
yeah i saw that, just doesnt seem like the type of guy that Kenny would go crazy over though
should be a decent pickup though
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
who said go crazy?
He was rumored to be part of the Garland to Houston deal. He has decent stuff, is reasonably cheap with some upside. I’d take him with Ozzie, Coop and the Sox medical staff.
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
No one in that deal has done much
I’m glad they got O-Cab when they did.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 15, 2010 5:57 PM CST up reply actions
WU
Make the trek to Orlando tomorrow, offer your bankroll to Kenny and make something happen. I need something to talk about and a new thread to read.
Has anyone checked on Cheat? Is he stuck on the roof of the Bellagio?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 15, 2010 5:19 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I was going to post a similar thought.
This thread is almost older than my last orgasm. Fer Chrissakes.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
by winningugly on Nov 15, 2010 5:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That was a perfectly good pumpkin pie you ruined
and it’s still sitting on the counter. colin damn near choked on it, you animal.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 15, 2010 6:03 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm pretty certain that this thread, SSS, and the internet weren't around during the Coolidge administration
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 15, 2010 6:06 PM CST up reply actions
zing
"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Nov 16, 2010 1:28 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, OPOS school!!!
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
So, since WU would like us to believe that this thread is almost older than the invention of the superconductor...
I’ve been doing some thinking lately…
What is the general consensus for a “SSS Comment of the Year” thread? I think it’d be freakin’ awesome! Sometime next month, I think one of the editors should start a thread, take suggestions for the comment of the year, and then have a poll. I already have several I’d like to nominate.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
already in the works
an entire best of SSS 2010 post.
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
Yeah? And we'll vote for comment of the year?
I want to see what everyone comes up with, personally. Is there a way to search for comments based on # of rec’s?
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 15, 2010 6:20 PM CST up reply actions
i don't think we've got that function
unfortunately
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
I don't want to lay all my cards on the table just yet...
But WU’s “Whosh.” has to be there. It’s a shame we can’t search by # recs.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 15, 2010 6:30 PM CST up reply actions
Some more off the top o'my head (not really, did some searching...)
“as a full blow heterosexual…yes”
by OznCoop on Aug 4, 2010 11:27 PM EDT
“HI I HAVE BEEN DRINKING BEVERAGES
HI”
signature
by billyok on Mar 13, 2010 6:22 AM EST
“the gale force winds were tearing buildings assunder on all sides
it was then i noticed the burning bus full of nuns, blind people, and small children falling over the precipice into the shark and barracuda infested water below. without a second thought, i charged into the bus and loaded every occupant onto my broad and manly shoulders. i kicked the emergency backdoor wide open and jumped to safety. after receiving a multitude of thanks, i climbed back onto my trusty bicycle and rode off into the sunset. the storm had passed, and the innocent were safe.”
o=====<| BBBBBBZZZZZZZZZZ
by U-God on Jun 29, 2010 10:04 PM EDT
There’s a lot more, but I don’t have the time to look right now.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 15, 2010 6:52 PM CST up reply actions
you have to at least include the followup post to the epic story
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
that whole gamethread is good
http://www.southsidesox.com/2010/6/29/1543589/this-gamethread-is-turning-off-the#40876328
4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow
in fact I nominate it gamethread of the season
pending the orly owl gets uncloaked
4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow
What the hell happened to OLD and her boobie posting ways?
TS% = Thabo Sefolosha percentage. It calculates how much you can be like Thabo Sefolosha. That’s why Keith Bogans is at 70%.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 15, 2010 11:01 PM CST up reply actions
Depression from Georgia football
Can’t see the computer screen through her tears.
by Grinder in Training on Nov 16, 2010 8:44 AM CST up reply actions
And my boys won the East. She must be in a tizzy
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 16, 2010 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
Let us move on.
She’s not the only one who can’t see the monitor through the tears. What a pathetic effort on our part.
by Grinder in Training on Nov 16, 2010 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
It was good. I think it was part of my sig for a while.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 15, 2010 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed. I would like a list of most rec'd.
"Somebody is going to eat TP's thread's pussy, or I'm going to cut your fucking throat." - homesickalien
Der Twain urn Heavern should be on there
Our manager wears 13, our closer sounds like Jinx, and we wear black. Let's play.
i'd rather a team whose first round pick we would gank sign him
but wouldn’t be upset with florida
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
Im reading this sentence over and over and over
4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow
Same here
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 15, 2010 9:27 PM CST up reply actions
lol
4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow
Yep
When’s that deadline?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 15, 2010 9:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
how about this game
Michael Vick is putting me into second place!
4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow
I just played the bassline from money on the upright. Woohoo!
I’ve been pretty busy practicing chords the instructor’s picked out, but I’ll peek in from time to time to see who’s still alive and if anything’s happening with the Sox.
Our manager wears 13, our closer sounds like Jinx, and we wear black. Let's play.
Roger waters with the upright, eh?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 15, 2010 10:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Good for you!
Michael Douglas is still alive.
by TasteeFreeze on Nov 15, 2010 11:15 PM CST up reply actions
....aaaand we still have Carol Burnett.
by TasteeFreeze on Nov 15, 2010 11:15 PM CST up reply actions
lol
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 16, 2010 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
If Veeck were still around I would demand that you bring the damn thing to the meet-up to play during the stretch.
"Even when he finally screws her, he’s wearing the watermelon rind as a hat."
I work on Michigan Ave, and there's always guys playing for money.
There’s one particular guy who brings, like, a huge Casio organ, and just plays the default loaded Christmas songs on the thing. He doesn’t play at all. Once, during his Christmas song, he was just banging on random keys with his palms.
I think he’s given up.
by TasteeFreeze on Nov 15, 2010 11:20 PM CST up reply actions
Ha. I think we all have days like that at work.
The drummer kids on street level are usually pretty good, but 90% of the subway guys are just awful and annoying. Saw a fantastic violinist on the Red Line a couple years back, though. Wish I had stopped to get a name.
"Even when he finally screws her, he’s wearing the watermelon rind as a hat."
For lack of anything else going on:
"Even when he finally screws her, he’s wearing the watermelon rind as a hat."
by Uribe Down on Nov 15, 2010 11:35 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
look up china to japan
and go to step 42
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
Haha. New York to London recommends swimming across the Atlantic.
"Even when he finally screws her, he’s wearing the watermelon rind as a hat."
i love google maps
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
Seattle to Tokyo?
Kayak across the Pacific Ocean: 2,756 miles.
Damn hippies.
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
Haha. Yeah, good stuff.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 16, 2010 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
Trying to get started on a big project at work
I find myself strangely distracted, using Google maps street view, walking down a street in Petovskey, MI, stopping at a corner, doing a 360 to check out the surroundings.
I should really try to focus more.
by TasteeFreeze on Nov 16, 2010 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
I can't get this to work. What am I doing wrong?
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 16, 2010 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
I even went to the depart time and put in midnight. No go.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 16, 2010 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
Can't blame him for thinking it's real
The other ones are.
by Grinder in Training on Nov 16, 2010 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
Seriously, wtf. I knew about the China-Japan one. Figured this must be real too.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 16, 2010 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
I just ganked.
"I was the nicest Hitler ever, pulling out chairs for old women and what not." -Rhubarb
by South Side Expat on Nov 16, 2010 12:54 AM CST reply actions
i've had this discussion before.....
but the indians GM is, in my opinion, a moron. Dude traded Sabathia, Lee, Blake, Martinez and probably more that i can’t think of at this moment and they are awful. How does that happen?
Kenwo4life=ratings
casey blake landed them carlos santana
that one was a great trade. the rest, not so much.
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
Isn't he the GM in everything but name?
I thought he’d gotten the Jon Paxson treatment…
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 16, 2010 9:28 AM CST up reply actions
he got the bump upstairs that everyone here has been clamoring for the sox to do with kenny
mark shapiro is now acting as consigliere to chris antonetti
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
A cautionary tale for Shoeless
who wants all saber decisions to run wild.
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
What fuckin' saber stats are they lookin' at?
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 16, 2010 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
Theory #1: They might as well be bloggers.
Maybe the joke is on us. The Indians make the “right” moves, like signing Dave Dellucci, not the “wrong” moves, like signing Raul Ibañez. They know the stats, we know the stats, so when they make a move, it looks right to us. Problem is, we tend to forget that the numbers rarely tell us the full story. It’s one thing to argue the numbers with a fellow fan — all I’ve got is the numbers, and all he’s got is the numbers, because neither of us are scouts — but it’s quite another to praise a front office for being able to Paint By Numbers. I mean, hell, any of us could paint by the numbers.
Maybe it isn’t a good thing that I can understand and explain most every move the Indians make. Maybe they should be making moves that don’t make sense to me — because after all, all I’ve got are the numbers. The saberblog view is essentially that since the numbers are all we can be sure about, the numbers are all that matter, and anything else is pure luck. In other words, the entire career of a GM like Pat Gillick was pure luck.
The Indians have done a great job at amassing value on paper, but they’ve shown little ability to discover value that isn’t evident in the numbers. I’ve been able to explain pretty well why the Indians do almost everything that they do — aside from burying Marte. Maybe that’s a problem.
http://www.letsgotribe.com/2009/6/22/920735/however-beautiful-the-strategy
This is one of my favorite posts from a non SSS
Ever. The whole thing was great.
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
I also especially like the monoculture angle
Sometimes it is good to have clashes. Sometimes its better to have a difference of opinion.
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
There's a balance.
Some organizations make moves that seem conceived solely with tweaking the SABR roots as their motivation. “We know so much about baseball, we’ll throw Perez Hilton out there in spikes and stirrups, and turn him into an All-Star by sheer baseball will.”
I’m glad we don’t root for any of those.
by TasteeFreeze on Nov 16, 2010 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
I love it when fans of perceived Moneyball teams who don't win as much
or maybe fall short in the playoffs, pull the tired line that “process>results,” justifying their team’s shortcomings and stinginess with with random variance while teams like the Giants, White Sox and Phillies, those lucky sons-a-guns, hold championship parades they didn’t earn.
These sheep don’t realize that execution is the most important part of a process. The Giants and Phillies youth talent evaluators have executed as well as any team in recent years and that’s why they have won two out of the last three World Series… not because they were lucky.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 16, 2010 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
the giants had a world class pitching staff
and a bunch of old hitters off the junk heap who put together seasons better than they should have.
they won’t repeat, just like the white sox couldn’t. luck was a huge fucking part of what the giants did this year.
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
All their biggest contributors had come through recent drafts
and were supported by a lot of guys with recent success who were picked up for peanuts. Sounds like a successful strategy to me.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 16, 2010 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
Counting on
Pat Burrell, Juan Uribe, Aubrey Huff and his magic thong and Edgar Renteria thinking it’s 1997 doesn’t sound like a successful strategy to me, despite what Lil’ Timmy & Company do.
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 16, 2010 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
Pat Burrell, Aubrey Huff and Juan Uribe are all very talented players
but they weren’t the reason they won. Those players were all opportunistic pick-ups who performed well within a reasonable range given their recent performances and combined with other great talent evaluating made them a very good team.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 16, 2010 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
And that was a bench that came through when...
Sandoval, Rowand and DeRosa all laid eggs, or got hurt. I don’t believe they were relying on Huff, Uribe and Renteria carrying them to a WS victory, but they had an experienced, veteran bench that could step in when the regulars ran cold.
by TasteeFreeze on Nov 16, 2010 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
where were these great talent evaluators
when they signed rowand and zito to those terrible contracts? or thought derosa was worth 2/$12 at age 35?
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
There's attrition with everything
in context, they worked within their means to make a very good team in a relatively shrewd manner. Every team has a lot of sunk costs but for some reason the small/mid-market teams with highly acclaimed front offices get a pass.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 16, 2010 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
Let's dispense with the idea that some teams are advanced metric teams
and some are not. All of the 30 clubs use them, they use them to different degrees. You can come out and say you like the Giants model, but you know what model is actually a decent comparisson to the pitching heavy, lineup-lacking 2010 Giants? The 2010 White Sox.
No one denies you have to have a strong pitching staff to compete for a post-season birth, but you don’t make a team based on a great staff and 8 turds in a line-up.
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 16, 2010 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
hmmm but for a Peavy injury
I’m guessing the 2010 White Sox probably make the playoffs. For me at least I’ll start with a great staff every time.
Yes you should do fuck nut moves like leaving Thome off the team. But a pitching model certainly can work.
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
They contributed, yes, a great deal
But it was the great nucleus they have that allowed them to make these additions in the first place.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 16, 2010 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
what great nucleus is this?
they have good pitching and buster posey. the rest of that lineup is mediocre with some hitters having career years.
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
so having some good young arms
let them overpay for a bunch of shitty to mediocre hitters? damn good blueprint.
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
Having some great young arms
let them work over their sunk costs, which every team has, to where they could add undervalued players and take some risks that paid off. You can’t win as much as they did with the rotation they had.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 16, 2010 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
the point McCovey Cove made, iirc
was that Sabean’s love of vets has been consistent, but that the price has dropped substantially on them. that plus nailing some draft picks (which, all credit due. scouting is the name of the game) got them to the playoffs.
Fireworks: Bang?
Let me bring this back to my original point
The Giants have been really good at getting a lot of value out of the draft. Whatever method they used, they executed with it, and that’s a lot more important than the philosophy behind it. Some of it can be attributed to luck, but they deserve as much credit at as any highly acclaimed organization for the value they’ve gotten. The shrewd additions are a nice plus, too.
So yes, scouting is the name of the game. They seem to do it very well.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 16, 2010 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
huff performed well within a reasonable range?
he had the best year of his career by far.
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
torres and huff were the keys.
i doubt that’s a particularly controversial statement. i highly doubt they expected either to be worth 6 WAR when they acquired them but i certainly give them credit for it.
Certain teams get credit for surprising player breakouts
The Giants get lucky. Not sure where the bias comes from.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 16, 2010 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
huff being a 6 WAR player has a great deal of luck associated with it.
arguing otherwise is ridiculous. doesn’t mean the giants didn’t make a good signing because i doubt 5 WAR of it was luck.
It could be luck or it could be the fact that he happened to get better at fielding
not sure we can explain it, that doesn’t mean it’s unexplainable. Still, I don’t see it as an extraordinary outcome given that his offense was in line with other times he’s been at the top of his game and the volatility of fielding metrics. In other words, I don’t get how they were any more lucky than other teams with similar peaks and valleys.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 16, 2010 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
He had the best year since the year before last.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 16, 2010 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
2008 fWAR: 4.0, bWAR 3.0
2010 fWAR: 5.7, bWAR 5.9
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
indeed
that spike in BB% is absurd
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
oops.
Effectively, this means that Aubrey Huff is replacing either Juan Uribe or Fred Lewis. Regardless of how you look at it, the Giants are not improving in this scenario. Uribe’s bat is weak, but he has a good glove for third base, and he figures to be at least a 1.0 WAR player last year. Lewis projects similarly – again, a weak bat for the position but solid defense, probably worth a little more than one win. Both of these players project similarly or better than Huff.
…
No matter how you spin this, this was the wrong move at the wrong time for San Francisco. With a very versatile group of position players, they could have easily filled 1B with either Pablo Sandoval or an internal option that was superior to Huff. It pushes superior players to the bench or possibly even off the 25 man roster completely, and it also commits money that cannot be used to upgrade their worst position, the fifth starter. The Huff acquisition is a complete misuse of resources for a Giants team looking to get over the playoff hump.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/aubrey-huff-and-subtraction-by-addition
one could probably do something like this for a lot of authors.
but jack moore seems to have more of these than most.
80 percent of them are about Edwin Jackson's cutter
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Nov 16, 2010 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
But seriously, he isn't even of drinking age
I’d probably have a whole lot of mistakes if I started putting all my analysis out there in 2002.
Then again, if I were just starting to develop my analytical and writing style, I would think Cameron would be one of the worst possible people to learn from.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Nov 16, 2010 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
colin isn't of drinking age either
"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Nov 16, 2010 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
i'm i even old enough to drive in this alternate timeline?
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
Colin is 32? lmao - and he's still in undergrad?
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 16, 2010 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
That's a whooshing I can't defend.
by Grinder in Training on Nov 16, 2010 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
Well, if he's not, I had a good laugh anyway...
at his expense
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 16, 2010 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
he's not, but i couldn't help making that remark
i’ll lay off when he finally graduates
"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Nov 16, 2010 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
The guy's so jaded already
He crowd sourced Uribe’s next contract, and I remarked, as a market research person, he should not default his drop-down buttons to a selection, as he could get false reads on people just hitting enter.
Mr. Cameron knows everything about statistical research.
by TasteeFreeze on Nov 16, 2010 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
you really think Dave is that bad?
everyone swings and misses. Nate Silver talks about it being a big deal being right 55% of the time.
Fireworks: Bang?
Its not that he misses Colin
Its his overbearing know it all – i’m never wrong – thats the way it is style. Its obnoxious.
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
and when he's wrong
it’s not his fault
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
Oh I think so.
I’ve read Sheehan for a while now. I think they are very different.
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
Sheehan throws curveballs
He conveys the same attitude, but far less predictable about the writing matter.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
I don't think he's a bad analyst, though I'm not a fan
But if I’m trying to develop my own thought processes and writing style, I wouldn’t want to learn from a guy who doesn’t ask any questions. His analytical writing reflects little curiosity.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Nov 16, 2010 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with Sox Machine here
I don’t mind the guys who approach a subject like they’re truly curious, and really want to know if, say, there’s such a thing as a “clutch” hitter. It’s guys who act like you ought to be paying them to insult you that make me yearn for a good, old batting average.
by TasteeFreeze on Nov 16, 2010 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
i like Sheehan better too.
and to your point, he went from that Danks-for-Lopez deal to this:
http://www.ussmariner.com/2010/07/21/dfa-jose-lopez/
without mentioning the obvious fall off in perceived value. i think we talked about that article when it came out, so dead horses and all that, but you’d like to see a mea culpa in there somewhere rather than the Inevitable Suck tone he established.
i guess i’m a little overly defensive wrt baseball writers who take use saber analytic bent. but if we’re ranking numerous writers of a similar bent, then yeah, those are minuses.
Fireworks: Bang?
also, that's my default response at this point
since i think most people spend way too much time bitching about writing when it’s not that difficult as a reader to discount certain aspects of a piece and move on.
but obvs you guys get that, so it’s not really to the point.
Fireworks: Bang?
I would rather just look at the numbers than have Cameron spew them at me
it’s that he injects his own opinion while claiming to be objective, then when everyone calls him on it he doesn’t give. There’s a lot to be said about good writers and Cameron doesn’t have it.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 16, 2010 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
re: silver
i’ll have something up with his response by the end of the week, if not earlier
Why is this brainless, legless drunk still on my TV?-RWShow
by soxshenanigans on Nov 16, 2010 2:19 PM CST up reply actions
it's not really the misses
it’s the attitude and condescension that comes with it
"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Nov 16, 2010 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
According to UZR and positional replacement, sure.
But that’s faulty, and there’s no DH in the NL. What we can be sure of is that his offensive output doesn’t deviate too much from his better seasons, which have occured as recently as 2008.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 16, 2010 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
he has a good replacement though
4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow
They signed Uribe to a minor league
‘if you’ve got anything left, we’ll maybe give you a shot’ deal and he was one of their most important players.
Look, I don’t deny the Giants did their scouting homework with drafting pitchers. PITCHERS. They totally let the lineup part of their team go to pot. It takes luck to get to the WS, let alone win it. You don’t think luck helped the ’02 Angels, ’06 Cards or ’10 Giants?
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 16, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
I'm quite familiar with young Master Posey, I assure you.
I didn’t mention him, however, because if my memory serves, he was sort of thought of as a ’can’t miss’ type (or at least as close as one gets in baseball drafts).
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 16, 2010 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
they royals and pirates are not afraid to spend money. they chose other players.
i will set aside the orioles because they had a guy named wieters. perhaps the rays would have taken him if not for money concerns. but there wasn’t a can’t miss superstar in that draft. considering they way teams fuck up the draft (whether evaluating with hindsight or not), i think refusing to give credit to the giants for picking a player who may well be the best player of that draft is not fair.
When you talk about "can't miss"
you’re talking about the level of Prior and Strassburg, right?
Then I’d agree with you, there’s one every few years.
by TasteeFreeze on Nov 16, 2010 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
'can't miss' was a poor choice of words
I thought Posey was highly though of. Certainly not as much of a risk as Lincecum had been, which was my larger point in relation to DB.
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 16, 2010 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
Sure he was highly though of
that doesn’t mean much in the MLB amateur draft. Also, credit the Giants for taking the best player available, something many teams rationalize not doing.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 16, 2010 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
I do want to thank you, however.
This has provided me a new photo for my personal collection.
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 16, 2010 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
I show them the way.
And he is a “catcher” after all.
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 16, 2010 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You been hangin' out in
Boystown bars lately, larry? You seem to (think you) know about my M.O.
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 16, 2010 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
Perhaps you're versatile... like Dave in Six Feet Under
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 16, 2010 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
Never seen 6 Feet Under, myself.
And every switch hitter has a prefered side.
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 16, 2010 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
never seen 6 feet under? No way...
Michael C Hall is gay in the show. And he is not shy to show it, either.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 16, 2010 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
Don't ever believe anyone if they tell
you you only think of yourself, larry.
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 16, 2010 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
Your descendants are also going to sue
Colombia Studios?
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 16, 2010 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
I'm thinking Billy Joe McAllister in most of Ode to Billy Joe
by TasteeFreeze on Nov 16, 2010 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
After 2nd half gets done with him?
"I was the nicest Hitler ever, pulling out chairs for old women and what not." -Rhubarb
by South Side Expat on Nov 16, 2010 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
He's sad cause of all the years he wasted
with the women folk.
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 16, 2010 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
Once an ass, you attack
you never go back.
by TasteeFreeze on Nov 16, 2010 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
I was thinking more the movie version.
"I was the nicest Hitler ever, pulling out chairs for old women and what not." -Rhubarb
by South Side Expat on Nov 16, 2010 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
In the movie, whenever they alluded to his homosexuality
they would show him with shaded eyes.
by TasteeFreeze on Nov 16, 2010 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
Don't get me started on the 2006 Cardinals
The Tigers were the better team by far. Reyes, Weaver and Suppan as a 2, 3 and 4?
by TasteeFreeze on Nov 16, 2010 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
That's my point.
The Cards got lucky when Verlander, Zumuya and Inge all forgot how to play defense.
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 16, 2010 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
The WS has little to do with "best team"
except that the “best teams” usually get a lottery ticket to the playoffs every year.
by TasteeFreeze on Nov 16, 2010 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
Presumably they liked what he could offer
based on how they scouted him and maybe metrics they use. This applies to all their nice little pickups that added up to a really tough team.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 16, 2010 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
right, but if Sabean thought he'd be a difference maker
he would have started the season on the 25 man. guys who get minor league deals are expected to be replacement level.
Fireworks: Bang?
He did start the season on the 25 man.
Just because he got a minor league contract doesn’t mean he wasn’t expected to contribute. If I could sign any player to a minor league contract, I would, but Uribe wasn’t valued highly enough to have to sign him to a Major League deal. The Giants decision makers apparently valued him the most and decided he was good enough to carry, and they were right.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 16, 2010 4:50 PM CST up reply actions
the degree of contribution expected is the
point of contention. it’s obvious they didn’t expect him to perform as he did. that’s why they signed Renteria to a huge deal in ‘09 despite having Uribe at 1 mil. that’s why they paid DeRosa and Sanchez in ‘10 way more than Juan even after Uribe’s ‘09 season. Between Huff, Sandoval, DeRosa, Sanchez, and Renteria, they had 5 guys for 4 spots, but didn’t have anyone to play SS in case Renteria went down.
the tenor of their dealings with Uribe is not characterized by “heh heh, i can’t believe we got a major contributor for so cheap!” it’s “well at least we’ve got a backup for our ancient SS and 2B.”
Fireworks: Bang?
this
just because their plan worked doesn’t make it a good plan
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
even if it works, its stupid
4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow
by blackoutsox on Nov 16, 2010 10:59 PM CST up reply actions
just because you think it was a bad plan, doesn't mean it was.
If is is one handed shitting. by winningugly
by mick10 on Nov 17, 2010 6:33 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Obviously Sabean's weakness is spending
I never argued that, but it says something that he’s willing and, more importantly, able to work through the blunders. Sabean is an example of The Peter Principle and Parkinson’s Law. He is incompetent in important parts of his very important job within the organization he has achieved seemingly because he’s so good at other parts. He’ll also spend as much as the payroll will allow regardless of the need.
Still, the overall contribution seems pretty good.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 16, 2010 5:53 PM CST up reply actions
the problem with sabean.
is that one has the feeling that the giants would be better if they ditched him and just kept dick tidrow.
The guy just won a World Series.
Let him sign another Zito contract first. Peter Principle.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 16, 2010 6:04 PM CST up reply actions
or just let the guy whose work
was primarily responsible for the WS victory sit in the big chair.
Fireworks: Bang?
If you mean Tidrow
There is not much to say he’d be any better with the same resources.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 16, 2010 7:06 PM CST up reply actions
sounds like a familiar argument
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
luck is huge part of any team winning
Yes their roster hitters are aging but I dont buy the “they won’t repeat just like the White Sox stuff”
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
I have one stat.
The Yankees, arguably one of the best 3-5 teams in baseball in each of the last 10 years, have only won the World Series once in 10 years. That works out to a TWSP (team world series percentage) of .1
The White Sox, it can be argued, have put themselves in the top half of all teams in baseball over the last 10 years. Same TWSP.
Would it not be true that luck has almost everything to do with winning the World Series?
by TasteeFreeze on Nov 16, 2010 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
I think that's point isn't it.
Your goal is to make the playoffs. After that its usually a crap shoot. Who is hot, etc.
I was pointing out that I don’t buy the just like the WS stuff like they had a fatal flaw or something.
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
the fatal flaw is relying on pitching to be the best in the league.
risky proposition, even with the horses they have. but, unless you’re the yankees, you usually have a “fatal flaw” of some kind.
piss on you
Its getting close to that time again. You know where I project the 20xx version of the White Sox pitching staff to be the best since…. well 2005!
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
Furthermore, I find it interesting that unlike every other part of the season
the postseason is fashionably attributed to luck. The team might be regressing at the right time, but supposedly a team’s result is something close to their true ability. But that’s a different issue.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 16, 2010 2:05 PM CST up reply actions
Small sample size.
162 games vs 11-15.
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 16, 2010 2:05 PM CST up reply actions
i'm pretty sure that is like every other part of the season.
you’re not going to find many people, fashionable or otherwise, who will tell you that any 15 game stretch doesn’t have a huge amount of variance from true talent inherent in it.
i think MGL said a given 7 game series
was 97% luck? or needed to be regressed 97% of the way to the mean, in any case.
Fireworks: Bang?
I get that
I just don’t get the people who completely discount the postseason. Given that the eight teams that make it to the playoffs are probably within the top third of teams in the regular season(there are exceptions), their performance in the postseason should contribute to how we view them as a team.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 16, 2010 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
'the people'
would include virtually every GM in baseball. it’s not just us.
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 16, 2010 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
they completely discount it probably because it's easier than almost completely discounting it.
it’s 15 games. doesn’t seem hard to get.
That implies that we should be looking at the postseason as a separate entity entirely
Which is a theory I can buy, but as usual I’m playing devil’s adovocate. The Giants overall went 103-74 I believe, which is pretty good considering the most important of which were the ones where they didn’t use Barry Zito.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 16, 2010 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
It's true in that I don't get why you would discount a significant part of the season
depending on what you consider significant. The issue is whether you feel the postseason has a relation to the regular season or not, whether it plays into a part of a team’s true talent level and at what point you would connect the two.
This has relevance because the Giants were better at the end of the season than at the beginning. The FO made pickups that took place of whomever wasn’t performing. So whether they credit for the championship or not, they put together a strong foundation and improved on it during the season. Yet Sabean is still viewed by many as an idiot GM that got lucky. Maybe he’s lucky, but he put together a good team good enough to do what they did and that wasn’t luck.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 16, 2010 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
Zito and Rowand leave the stench of stupidity
And yet, the Giants won a WS. I consider myself pretty dumb, baseball-wise, and I thought the Zito contract was ridiculous when he signed. Sure, I can understand the need to generate excitement by taking a guy from the A’s who won a Cy Young, selling tickets, eating innings, and all, but not many people though Zito was such a great pitcher worth that money.
Yes, Sabean’s team won a WS, and that will forever be on his resume. He’ll probably get hired into his 70’s because of it, now.
by TasteeFreeze on Nov 16, 2010 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
he pretty much is an idiot with money. and he made arguably the second worst trade of the decade.
sabean has a long history of being an idiot. of course people are going to view him putting it together to be luck. based on his record, it’s hard not to be skeptical.
i’ve always given credit to the GM for drafting, even though he presumably takes a comparatively smaller role in that than major league decisions, because identifying and retaining front office talent who handle the scouting etc. is also the role of the GM. sabean should also get credit for not trading away his recent prospects.
getting pierzynski for liriano, nathan, and bonser
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
The same thing will happen to Dayton Moore
the Twins will have an injury season they don’t pop up from, the Wsox and Tigers will be in transition, and the Royals will open their eyes after a month to find themselves in the WS, and a bunch of people will argue that luck is preperation meeting opportunity.
by TasteeFreeze on Nov 16, 2010 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
they have an excellent farm system. and a few young players who are already on the MLB roster.
i’m sure danny remembers the argument that he and i were involved in (as i recall, on the same side) at beyond the boxscore a couple years back where we defended sabean, at least to the extent of building a very solid base of young players. the royals could be a very good team in a few years by doing the same thing.
I agree the Royals could be very good
It won’t be because they signed Jason Kendall, Pods, Jose Guillen, Blumquist, and many others. It won’t be for weird-assed trades, like the one of DeJesus. It will be for the drafting.
I’m sure Dayton Moore does a much better job running an organization than I could ever hope to dream of. He’s not the best, by far.
by TasteeFreeze on Nov 16, 2010 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't remember it
mostly because I wasn’t involved in it at all, as it turns out. I looked it up and I made a single comment about how Walt Jocketty and Terry Ryan should have been more highly regarded.
You did pretty much argue the same point I argue here, though.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 16, 2010 4:10 PM CST up reply actions
I'm trying to follow, but I don't see what argument you're trying to make
The Giants are the WS Champs. I don’t see alot of snickering, like the Bad News Bears somehow wound up in the MLB playoffs, and won the darn thing because Tatum O’Neal fixed a flat tire with bubblegum, and bicycled to PacBell Park on time.
But I don’t think you’ll be arguing for HOF consideration for Huff, Torres, Uribe or Renteria based on this series, will you? They’re a team that fits together well, well managed, good bullpen, killer rotation, and some bench players stepped up and filled in admirably when the starters choked.
by TasteeFreeze on Nov 16, 2010 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, and apparently the front office doesn't get credit for it
at least that’s what I feel.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 16, 2010 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
They get due credit for winning the WS.
I don’t think anyone’s trying to take away from that. But the way they won it isn’t a testiment to long term planning. A fabulous pitching staff in a weak division that has three pichers parks with a bird-turd lineup. Not exactly a model i want to emmulate. And winning a WS doesn’t absolve you of the stupidity of the aforementioned Rowand/Zito contracts.
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 16, 2010 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
Certainly not
but they’re looking like they’re in pretty good shape now and in the long run. Short-term dealing can be just as important as long-term planning. All you calling their position players a bird-turd lineup are plain wrong. The Mariners had a bird-turd lineup. The Pirates had a bird-turd lineup. The Giants had an average offensive team with great defense and great pitching. That’s good enough.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 16, 2010 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
The Giants return, what, 4 positional starters?
Besides catcher, Freddie Gonzalez is probably the surest bet. Cody Ross? He may turn into a solid everyday player. Torres was getting benched in Sept.
Uribe, Renteria, Huff, Burrell, they all walk. Now all Sabean has to do is show how freaking intelligent he is and roll snake-eyes 4 more times in a row. And then have another ROY step in and produce. And pick up another Cody Ross in August and have him play like a veteran #3 hitter.
Not saying they’re going to crash and burn, but I think 3 other teams in that division will get real focussed next year.
by TasteeFreeze on Nov 16, 2010 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
Not unlikely, considering how competitive the division was
but the Giants have a lot in the way of depth and resources. They can afford to backload free agent deals, too, with all they drop after next year.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 16, 2010 4:35 PM CST up reply actions
I am often rubbed the wrong way at Fangraphs,and such
I think front offices have alot of concerns to balance, and the silly dollars per wins stats are basically meaningless, except for some 14-year-old to have another thing to type in caps when telling you your team sucks.
I think it is a testament to planning, because it’s like the 2 guys getting chased by a bear joke. “I don’t need to outrun the bear. I just need to be faster than you.” The Giants don’t need to beat every team that’s ever won a World Series on paper. They just need to be better than 4 other teams. That’s how the WSox are approaching their division. Beat the Twins and Tigers.
by TasteeFreeze on Nov 16, 2010 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
They obviously need to hire some better scouts as numbers never tell the whole story
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 16, 2010 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
Has there been a trade in baseball, recently, that has been more fruitful than this?
Grady Sizemore: June 27, 2002: Traded by the Montreal Expos with Cliff Lee, Brandon Phillips and Lee Stevens to the Cleveland Indians for Bartolo Colon and Tim Drew.
by TasteeFreeze on Nov 16, 2010 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
The Teixera-to-Braves trade, maybe.
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 16, 2010 10:15 AM CST up reply actions
hmmm.... not quite goggles and those 2 other guys for FNS, huh?
by TasteeFreeze on Nov 16, 2010 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
And I hate to say it, but that SF-MIN trade of AJ was pretty baller, from the Twins
P.O.V.
Can we continue to refer to him as ‘goggles’ in future? I like that.
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 16, 2010 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
AJ straight up for Liriano or Nathan would have been a coup.
Although his 1 year in SF did serve the sole purpose of making Brett Tomko snap.
I wonder which of his 49 baseball hats Tomko will wear into the Hall. He’s such a positive non-cancer, teams seem to want to share him with the rest of baseball to make the game, in general, better because of Tomko’s influence, unlike AJ.
by TasteeFreeze on Nov 16, 2010 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
You mean like, when he goes to visit the Hall with his kids?
Probably one of those douche, passe Von Dutch hats from 2004.
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 16, 2010 10:44 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
I think we're all pretty certain he would
but does anyone think Alexei wouldn’t make more than $2.75M in arbitration?
Williams has an option on him if he opts out of the current level
is how I read that.
Er, do you mean what would he get in his hypothetical first year of arb? I think he’d be in the 3-5 range.
Fireworks: Bang?
Right
I’m thinking in the 3-4 range but there aren’t a lot of comparables. I’d stick with the 2.75 option.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 16, 2010 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
I was assuming offhand they took age into account
that was probably a mistake.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 16, 2010 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
Here's how into "it" I am...
Just looked him up, and was surprized to find that Pokey Reese has been out of the game since 2004.
Has anyone heard of this cool, new rapper named Eminem?
please
he’ll never top ja rule
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
have you listened to any of the tracks off of all day yet?
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
not yet.
did manage to find a dl of it. tried on his actual site for 20 min before giving up. apparently people have heard of this Gillis fella.
sidebar: Kanye’s new album is outstanding.
Fireworks: Bang?
I've got the leaked clean version
And it’s beyond amazing.
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 16, 2010 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
agreed on both
the servers on his site crashed. i had to use one of the extra links he posted.
dark twisted is phenomenal
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
probably be the first hip hop album i've bought
when it comes out. couldn’t believe how good the production was. and the shitloads of guest verses cut down on Kanye’s own verses (weakest part of his game, as i’ve said) plus they’re boss in their own right.
ha, i just realized that’s not true. Be (the Common album) was the first. and that has not stood the test of time. ugh. and can i say boss?
Fireworks: Bang?
Sure, boss.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 16, 2010 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
keep shakin it
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
caught short here, boss!
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 16, 2010 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
Well, he did make some decent video with J-Lo. For that I forgive him.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 16, 2010 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
And he provided comedic foder as GUnit/Eminem/D12 target.
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 16, 2010 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
good thing g-unit and d12 turned out to be so great
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
I enjoyed D12 for what they were (or at least Bizarre was funny as hell)
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 16, 2010 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
that was really easy to get sick of
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
They had one popular song
but I enjoyed both their albums. Purple Pills, Fight Music, It Ain’t Nothin’ But Music, 40 oz, how Come, get up, Get My Gun, etc.
No, they didn’t reinvent the rap wheel nor were they particularly enlightening, but they were entertaining as hell.
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 16, 2010 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
When I think of Ja Rule... I think of The Fast and the Furious. And I laugh.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 16, 2010 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
i've been trying to find the boondocks strip about him to post
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
yahtzee!
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
hahaha
yessssss.
McGruder eventually checked out on that shit, but for a while he was killing it.
Fireworks: Bang?
a right to be hostile was fantastic
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
Totally different musical note:
the new Girl Talk album was posted yesterday. And he’s outdone himself. Again.
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 16, 2010 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
youdaman.
"I was the nicest Hitler ever, pulling out chairs for old women and what not." -Rhubarb
by South Side Expat on Nov 16, 2010 2:58 PM CST up reply actions
let go of my balls
If is is one handed shitting. by winningugly
by mick10 on Nov 16, 2010 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
fuk what $11 gets ya at taco bell
KC has reached a new high
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3364241
"Statistics are about as interesting as first base coaches" Jim Bouton
by Grinder Rule #42 on Nov 16, 2010 1:45 PM CST reply actions
Reading the Redeye
What’s up with the low down porn operators being upset with me for stealing porn?
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
cross the marlins of the AJ list
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
To be fair, this doesn't make it any stronger.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 16, 2010 3:49 PM CST up reply actions
but it think we're getting an idea of what the market price for a catcher is with buck and hernandez.
and, if i were AJ, i’d be even more confident of getting a multi-year deal.
4.8 per win in his first year
which is pretty much right on the 10% salary inflation rate.
Fireworks: Bang?
This could be one of those contracts I put in the "sunk costs" category
for what is otherwise a frugal organization. I’m not sure it’s a market setter just yet. It could be like when Ibanez signed that chunky deal early in the 08-09 offseason.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 16, 2010 4:16 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, but most teams really value their high draft picks
Enough to sway them away from a Type A free agent when going for two similar talents at a similar price. It may end up not mattering to them but it makes it a little more complicated.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 16, 2010 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
what are the similar talents to AJ left on the market.
and why do you think i haven’t already considered the free agent compensation component.
A lot, I think
Torrealba and Olivo, to name a couple. There are many others that could be traded for. I agree that he should be offered arbitration. The market could play out in many different ways.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 16, 2010 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
you just equated him to torrealba, who is a half time catcher at best.
gosh, i wonder why you think AJ wouldn’t get that contract.
That depends on whether teams want a full-time catcher
and whether AJ would accept a half-time or even two-third time role from someone who may pay him more.
Break down the teams that need a catcher. Break that down to the ones who would pay for a full-time catcher given what they already have. I count the Rangers, White Sox, Mariners, and maybe Dodgers if they don’t bring Martin back. I don’t see the Red Sox going for him or the Brewers paying.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 16, 2010 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
AJ was third among innings caught
a valuable asset, but if that’s his most marketable skill it may not be great for him if teams are comfortable platooning two catchers as most without a very good catcher already are.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 16, 2010 5:22 PM CST up reply actions
Teams that could use an upgrade at catcher this offseason
Boston, Detroit (Avila ain’t the answer), Kansas City, Texas, Seattle, New York Mets, Houston, and Milwaukee. AJ is going to get paid.
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
New York, Detroit, Houston and Milwaukee have alternatives
Boston probably won’t need him. I’d be surprised if Dayton Moore all of a sudden learned how to spend efficiently. If he did before, he wouldn’t have signed Kendall. If he did now, he wouldn’t sign Pierzynski. Either way they’ll use Kendall.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 16, 2010 5:40 PM CST up reply actions
if Buck can get 3/$18MM
AJ is going to hit the market
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
And he should.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
it's pretty unlikely that the Sox would drop him if he did accept arb, no?
KW wouldn’t feel comfortable with Castro and replacement level somebody, right? so they’d probably just agree to a one year deal at a slight (or maybe no) discount so AJ could get a guaranteed deal?
Fireworks: Bang?
i wish we had john buck instead of aj
no fair no fair
"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Nov 16, 2010 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
Uggla to Braves for Omar Infante and Mike Dunn
http://twitter.com/jcrasnick/status/4663337744867329
Questionable moves by the Marlins lately, but then, it’s sort of how they operate.
Uggla's a 3 win player and he's going to get $10-11M in arb
Infante is a 2 win player who’s going to get $2.5M. so the Marlins have $7.5-8.5M to get back that win, which costs 4.5-5M on the open market. or they can straight up pocket the savings and not lose that much production.
Fireworks: Bang?
Infante might not even do that well
They both have upside for more, and Uggla would probably gain value from a shift to left and any competency there, but that doesn’t seem like it’s in the plans. Either way you have to think they could have done a little better with the interest surrounding him. I could see if they were trying to pocket the cash but it’s strange when combined with the Buck signing. They do seem to be valuing relievers really highly.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 16, 2010 5:47 PM CST up reply actions
his bat is less valuabe in left
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
valuable even
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
That's debatable
He’s worth a lot of negative runs at second. If he’s average in left field(far from a given) he’s might be as valuable as he is at second. As is, he’s still pretty good overall and it might not be worth the risk of shifting him. They will have to shift Prado to left though, and it would probably be a good idea to try Uggla at third if the situation arises.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 16, 2010 5:57 PM CST up reply actions
that's what the positional adjustment is for.
if he’s a -10 2B, then he’d probably be an average corner OF. those have the same run value. the Marlins would have moved him if they thought he’d be more valuable there. it’s not like the majority of his negative value comes from bad hands.
Fireworks: Bang?
Maybe it would even out, maybe not
but most teams would probably prefer average left field defense as stiff as he can be at second. Either way he’s probably best at an infield corner.
Dunn really isn’t all that great, either. Bleh.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 16, 2010 6:43 PM CST up reply actions
wherever teams prefer him they aren't going to get much else out of him
and the Marlins are spreading similar salary around more guys so regardless of what we think, you know Wu Tang Financial likes it.
Fireworks: Bang?
it's about what he's worth, market-wise
i’m not sure what else would be interesting to them (e.g. prospects), since it sounds like they want to compete on the cheap.
Fireworks: Bang?
Then it probably doesn't help that they're giving their reigning division leader big marginal wins.
That’s usually not a factor you have to worry about. The Maybin deal seems like a net loss to me too so it seems like they’re over-emphasizing cheap relievers. They probably could have gotten more pure value by letting things simmer and taking the highest bidder like they have in the past.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 16, 2010 6:01 PM CST up reply actions
big marginal wins?
there’s only a difference if the Marlins choose not to spend that saved money.
i agree that i don’t get the Maybin deal. if it had been some other guy with Maybin’s ML history, then it amounts to a challenge trade, since they’re basically swapping similar expected wins and salary. but it seems like the upside is all with Maybin.
Fireworks: Bang?
Well, what do you expect them to do?
I’m not sure the Braves could have added an Uggla-caliber player elsewhere. The Braves were dealing from surplus, so it probably doesn’t hurt them much to lose Infante or Dunn. The Fish already spent a portion of saved salary on Buck and seem content filling from within anyway.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 16, 2010 7:03 PM CST up reply actions
is this any different than their usual MO?
they’ve been average for super cheap for the last three seasons. it wouldn’t be that tough for them to get way better in a hurry if they wanted to add salary. but i’m guessing they expect to improve via Morrison and Stanton, mostly. either or both could be ready by 2012, in time for the new ballpark.
Fireworks: Bang?
Ready as in entering their prime?
I just don’t get why they’re getting so many relievers. It isn’t helping them get max value now or in the future. It’s an interesting idea, though, trying to build a dominant bullpen. I’m not sure they’re doing it.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 16, 2010 7:37 PM CST up reply actions
i want to see someone get radical.
12 guys throwing 120 IP in 2-3 inning appearances. the Marlins without a stadium deal would be a perfect fit.
Fireworks: Bang?
i'd prefer to see someone get radical
in the bill & ted / teenage mutant ninja turtles sense of the word.
eh, 2 wins might be overstating things
but they still break even at 1.5. and Dunn has a big fastball and is left handed, so the thinking there is pretty clear.
Fireworks: Bang?
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