White Sox Do Not Offer Arbitration to A.J. Pierzynski
Salary arb offered to PK and Putz by #WhiteSox; declined to AJ and Manny.
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and I was dead right
4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow
Stop blowing yourself.
Let someone else. Unless no one is lining up. Then by all means blow yourself.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
I was right too. Who's blowing me?!
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 23, 2010 9:59 PM CST up reply actions
no one
I'D LIKE TO APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE FOR MY BEHAVIOR!! I DAYDREAM WITH THE BEST OF THEM.......
by pierzynskirules on Nov 23, 2010 10:04 PM CST up reply actions
Fine then. I'm going home.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 23, 2010 10:05 PM CST up reply actions
okay bye
I'D LIKE TO APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE FOR MY BEHAVIOR!! I DAYDREAM WITH THE BEST OF THEM.......
by pierzynskirules on Nov 23, 2010 10:07 PM CST up reply actions
152 SSSers guessed wrong.
Glad I didn’t vote.
Intoxicated with the wine of cloaking powers and the gin of banning authority since 2005.
you're on the list now. this was a "knowledge poll" by larry
Intoxicated with the wine of cloaking powers and the gin of banning authority since 2005.
it was will they, not should they.
It was risky to do so, Im ok with this.
the only thing that is relevant is SSS.
Don't blame me.
I voted for Kodos.
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 23, 2010 4:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
elections have consequences!
I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.
by thatshortkid on Nov 23, 2010 5:40 PM CST up reply actions
To say goodbye to all our company?
Intoxicated with the wine of cloaking powers and the gin of banning authority since 2005.
fial. to mick
Intoxicated with the wine of cloaking powers and the gin of banning authority since 2005.
fuck
Intoxicated with the wine of cloaking powers and the gin of banning authority since 2005.
by Chiburb on Nov 23, 2010 3:14 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
for someone who didnt
partake in the poll, you sure have a lot to say on the matter
"Statistics are about as interesting as first base coaches" Jim Bouton
by Grinder Rule #42 on Nov 23, 2010 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
This is an awesome display of failure. I cherish it.
"Somebody is going to eat TP's thread's pussy, or I'm going to cut your fucking throat." - homesickalien
Too many comments in the thread. Start a new one already, for the love of Christ.
To say goodbye to all our company? - Chiburb on Nov 23, 2010 3:13 PM CST
fial. to mick - Chiburb on Nov 23, 2010 3:13 PM CST
jeez. - Chiburb on Nov 23, 2010 3:14 PM CST
fuck - Chiburb on Nov 23, 2010 3:14 PM CST
by RWShow on Nov 23, 2010 3:21 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
bwahahaha!
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Nov 23, 2010 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
Look alive, pops!
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Nov 23, 2010 10:56 PM CST up reply actions
Where you been?
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
It all makes sense now!!!!
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
Double Rainbows!!!
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
Simply unable to sit in front of a computer screen to do "fun stuff" after my 10-12 hour work days the past few weeks.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Nov 24, 2010 3:03 PM CST up reply actions
14 comments in this thread, and 7 are chiburb cursing himself
No wonder Cheat left to take Robert Feder’s place at vocalo.
The guy at the bank doesn't care how many trophies you've got!
unless we re-sign aj i cant see pk and quentin on the team next year
we are going to need more than pierre from the left side
Why, does AJ drive both of them to the ballpark?
by TasteeFreeze on Nov 23, 2010 6:17 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
yes...Q would hurt himself driving to the park
and it takes 2 to put him in his car seat
Can't imagine Pods has much on the 2011 agenda.....
heh
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Nov 23, 2010 11:08 PM CST up reply actions
Well blow me down.
They just might be starting over. Old, slow white guys need not apply.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
I exaggerate.
But old, slow white guys need not apply.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
Then why are you replying?!
Oh ‘apply’…. Nevermind
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 23, 2010 4:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Dude runs marathons in less than 8 h
WU is not slow.
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
I wasn't talking athletically
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 23, 2010 5:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
There it is!
I’ll keep setting them up, you keep knocking ’em down!
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
speaking of, you guys ever read this:
http://discovermagazine.com/2006/may/tramps-like-us
WU is just fulfilling his evolutionary destiny
Fireworks: Bang?
I read that recently
The part that cracked me up is they put a rectal thermometer in a cheetah and then put it on a treadmill. That must be the secret to those eithiopians! Running with a thermometer in your ass increases mph! I’m sure WU is already doing that
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 23, 2010 5:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Grind 'em down.
Erstad-like.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
Aren't marathons 25 miles? So that'd be like... 3.2 miles per hour?
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 23, 2010 10:04 PM CST up reply actions
Granted... I'd be pretty damned tired of walking for 8 hours straight...
But I swore I thought those Rascal scooters could hit 6 mph easy
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 23, 2010 10:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yep, that wasn't a comment to be taken seriously, as BSS pointed out above.
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
She could change the last letter to a 'd' from an 's'
Intoxicated with the wine of cloaking powers and the gin of banning authority since 2005.
by Chiburb on Nov 23, 2010 4:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
She's tougher than Cheat.
She held up with the whole cip thing, remember. She’s in.
Interesting that Crede’s Crew is now gone, too. Love the team, fer Chrissakes. Individuals come and go.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
You sound like you're on the payroll now
Did larry get to you?!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 23, 2010 5:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
you mean Quentin's Qrew?
I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.
by thatshortkid on Nov 23, 2010 5:41 PM CST up reply actions
QQ was originally CC.
And he was/is a Yankee’s fan.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
Wasn't he some kind of Yankees fan?
TS% = Thabo Sefolosha percentage. It calculates how much you can be like Thabo Sefolosha. That’s why Keith Bogans is at 70%.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 23, 2010 5:42 PM CST up reply actions
I know this has been discussed
And I’ll be considered an idiot for asking, but can the White Sox still offer him a two year deal as some suggested they might or are they not allowed to sign him at all after not offering arbitration?
by Grinder in Training on Nov 23, 2010 4:07 PM CST reply actions
Just guessing here
But, I’m not getting good vibes on AJ and Paulie coming back. Still feeling a little better about working out a deal with JJ though.
Has anyone confirmed the 3yr deal offered to vmart? Was that crap?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 23, 2010 5:17 PM CST via mobile reply actions
4 year/50 Mil
which means they’re giving him 1B rather than C money. seems like a good match, since i’m pretty sure they still really like Avila, but might not be sold on him full time. maybe VMart catches against lefties and moves Cabrera to DH against righties?
Fireworks: Bang?
I meant the sox offer
But, you’re right on what det was thinking. How is he rated with a 1b glove?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 23, 2010 5:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
12.5M?
that’s 2.5. at catcher i think he’s closer to 3.5 in 2011. more accurately, i think they’re paying him to split time.
Fireworks: Bang?
they probably did it thinking It wouldnt hurt to have a third catcher on the roster if Flowers was to start
glad we didnt get him though
4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow
It would be nice to keep JJ
although I don’t know too well what other relievers are available, and doubt any as good as Putz.
Taking a walk in a donky park listening to the wind of change
Depends on the budget you're talking about
I’d like to see puts back. But only a two year deal.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 23, 2010 5:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Or Putz. Damn iPhone!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 23, 2010 5:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Did a bunch of posts just disappear, or am I in some sort of parallel reality at the moment?
After all, I have been eating apples lately.
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
Nothing is wrong, just eat another apple and send me your account and routing information
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 23, 2010 5:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think the sox still will look to bring AJ back.
i think we’ll get the picks for paulie and JJ…..
There really isn’t a reason not to bring AJ back…. and if they did offer Victor that kind of money it would be an awful sign… even if they offered him 3/38 i wouldn’t have been happy. dude doesn’t impress me. Bring aj back at 2/11 and call it done.
Then trade for the prince.
Kenwo4life=ratings
unless they are going to let flowers play.
which is looking less and less likely.
Kenwo4life=ratings
you know trading floyd for prince is retarded, right?
Fireworks: Bang?
by colintj on Nov 23, 2010 5:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
true. did all his best work in the early 80's.
though perhaps worth it just to occasionally hear that riff from purple rain wailing outta the dugout.
by craigws on Nov 23, 2010 5:55 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
purple reign
the only thing that is relevant is SSS.
by e-gus on Nov 23, 2010 7:13 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
Brad Lohaus? Good grief.
TS% = Thabo Sefolosha percentage. It calculates how much you can be like Thabo Sefolosha. That’s why Keith Bogans is at 70%.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 23, 2010 7:20 PM CST up reply actions
Dude this... this is fucking magnificent.
but he needs a briefcase.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 23, 2010 10:08 PM CST up reply actions
yah giving up some jackass that pitches like shit every 5th day
for a guy thats going to bomb 45 homers from the left side and bring some much needed attitude to this dead ass team is a terrible move.
Kenwo4life=ratings
the quicker we get rid of flunky floyd the better.
and jesus christ if they are throwing around 48 million for martinez then just pay a prince’s ransom.
Kenwo4life=ratings
FGF?
Floyd’s a good pitcher. He just folds in important games. So if we just declare 2011 not important, he’ll end up starting the All-Star game next year. But he’ll get rocked, as the All-Star game is seen as important by some.
by TasteeFreeze on Nov 23, 2010 6:30 PM CST up reply actions
This.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
I understand the revulsion towards the notion that players don't "try"
and I’m not affecting that argument.
As an idiot fan who can barely tell the difference between horse racing and wrestling (if there’s horses, it’s horse racing, unless the horses are wrestling…), I observe that Gavin Floyd didn’t do very well in what I would call “important” starts at the end of the season.
Gavin Floyd is a very good pitcher-type player, who is usually top 5-AL in important stats I don’t understand, but smart people like Dave Cameron subscribe to them, so I shut up and learn. But I don’t know if Floyd gets what-they-call “tired”, or if, for some reason, the Twins what-they-call “own” him, but he didn’t make Twin batters angry and sad in August and September meetings.
So I emotionally value Floyd less.
by TasteeFreeze on Nov 24, 2010 10:12 AM CST up reply actions
Gavin struck out 8.5 per 9 IP against the Twins this year
but had an 8+ ERA against them. this suggests that his stuff was on, his control was a bit off and got a bit unlucky. not that he chokes against the best. it’s rarely the case that those guys exist (and in general, we struggle to find clutch or unclutch players when examining the data), so the simpler solution is best. luck is a big factor in baseball, especially in just 4 starts.
Fireworks: Bang?
saying this till I'm blue in the face
Gavin was just unlucky. With his gb% and hr rate – throw in a good defense and he’s in business. Gavin freaking led the charge of the June-July run.
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
I respectfully disagree
And if Floyd doesn’t have above-average defenders at 4 of 7 positions in the field, I might agree, like if Konerko was playing 3rd as a joke, Joey Cora threw on a mitt and played 2nd, and some fan played short, yeah, I would call 13 ground ball base hits bad luck for Floyd to be pitching in that game.
Now I know, I’m lucky to live in a world where people as smart as Dave Cameron can patch up holes in their statistical arguments by calling glaring outliers “luck”, but perhaps because I only go to the games to see the pretty black uniforms, and bask in the excitement of 40k happy people yelling, and stuff, at things I can’t understand on the place you guys call “the field”, but I respectfully call the notion of “luck” bullshit.
If a pitcher gives up an inordinate amount of hits in more than half of his starts from Aug 12 on, in a way that’s different from the way he pretty much regularly pitched before Aug 12, I believe that inferences can be drawn from that.
by TasteeFreeze on Nov 24, 2010 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
but when we try to do that with rigorous studies
we find that batting average on balls in play fluctuates significantly, especially on the limited samples you’re suggesting.
Fireworks: Bang?
If I were to try to throw a pitch to, say, Albert Pujols
my goal would be to keep my hernia from popping out while getting the ball to the plate on less than 3 bounces.
However, when, inevitably, Pujols creams the shit out of the ball, because it’s a small sample size of 1, everyone would agree that Pujols’ feat was pure luck.
by TasteeFreeze on Nov 24, 2010 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
him hitting the ball right at your scared-ass fielder
would qualify as bad luck. this happens all the time.
Fireworks: Bang?
I'm messing with you
I’m just being obstinate about “luck”.
by TasteeFreeze on Nov 24, 2010 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
pitchers get very unlucky when their command is off or when their curve doesn't bite.
they get luckier than hell when they can paint the corners and get in on batters hands.
If is is one handed shitting. by winningugly
I don't disagree that Floyd is a very good pitcher.
I just think something happened beyond mid-August, where Floyd wasn’t as good after that date (8/12) as he was before. 7 games. In the 8th, he threw 7 pitches, then was shut down for the rest of the season. Yes, small sample, but I would guess that either he grew tired, or something. Maybe the unlucky fairy threw unlucky dust on him.
by TasteeFreeze on Nov 24, 2010 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
could be. pitchers fluctuate in their talent.
but i don’t think “choking” is any more likely than “got tired” or “lost the will to pitch after one too many encounters with joe west” or what have you. and since it won’t predict how he’ll do next year in all likelihood, calling it “luck” is fine too.
Fireworks: Bang?
I respectfully call bullshit
Looking at that Detroit game, he had an infield of Morel, Ramirez, Vizquel, and Konerko. I would call that a pretty good defensive infield.
Floyd gave up 13 singles in that game. If he’s not throwing as hard, or his curveball isn’t curving, or some other baseball things I could say, but wouldn’t understand, I suppose the hitter might hit the ball hard, and it’ll get through the infield faster, giving the good fielders less time to run in front of the ball and stop it.
I wouldn’t call that luck. Maybe the too-smart-for NASA mathematicians at FanGraphs might, but that’s between them and their saviour.
by TasteeFreeze on Nov 24, 2010 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
folding, wtf, are we talking bhb here?
"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Nov 24, 2010 2:47 AM CST up reply actions
Sep 15 MIN L 9-3 – 5.1 IP, 9 hits, 6 runs, 6 ER, 1 HR, 2 BB, 4 K,
Sep 9 @DET L 6-3 6.0 IP, 13 hits, 6 runs, 5 ER, 0 HR, 1 BB, 3 K,
Aug 18 @MIN L 7-6 5.1 IP, 10 hits, 7 runs, 7 ER, 1 HR, 3 BB, 5 K,
Aug 12 MIN L 6-1 6.2 IP, 10 hits, 6 runs, 6 ER, 2 HR, 3 BB, 7 K
Now, I know, he beat Baltimore and Seattle in there, but I would call the August and September games against Min and Det to be important games.
I don’t have to define “folding”, do I?
by TasteeFreeze on Nov 24, 2010 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
no but you should use more than 4 games
BHB moniker came from somewhere. that’s a lot of hits.
Fireworks: Bang?
Ok, I withdraw the claim.
Seeing as I don’t have naked pictures of KW with a boy panda, I can’t force him to trade Floyd to quench my own twisted thirst.
I do feel that of Danks, Floyd & Jackson, Floyd is the best trading chip, as he’s, IMO, the weakest of the 3, and because of his contract, best deal for the money. I think that’s worth Prince and a Henry Aaron jersey.
by TasteeFreeze on Nov 24, 2010 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
still worth way more than Prince
i’m not opposed to dealing him. but i hate the idea that he’d be dealt because Kenny dicked us over with Peavy/Linebrink/Teahen, let alone not getting nearly enough in value for the guy.
Fireworks: Bang?
this
Sure he has value and can be traded but I don’t get this retarded notion that “we” should settle for less.
and Jackson has not been better than Floyd.
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
I love Jackson
and he definitely could be filthy with Coop moving forward.
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
He was filthy with Coop.
Hope he stays that way. I hope we hang onto him.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
by winningugly on Nov 24, 2010 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
I still won't put Peavy in with Stink and Teahen as far a dumb KW moves.
"I was the nicest Hitler ever, pulling out chairs for old women and what not." -Rhubarb
by South Side Expat on Nov 24, 2010 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
'dumb' no
‘expensive and likely not to work out’ yes
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 24, 2010 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
Is having sex with a baby panda worse than sex with a baby black bear
because the panda (being Chinese-made) is thus inferior in quality?
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 24, 2010 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
Because Pandas are more endangered...
when they get depressed because you won’t call them when you clearly said you would, and then they kill themselves…yes, it’s worse.
by TasteeFreeze on Nov 24, 2010 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
Do all the other bears make fun of them and call them oreos at bear school?
Bear children can be so cruel (sigh).
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 24, 2010 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
they prolly get stared at for not really being bears
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
yeah, the pandas are just trying to get ahead
and be accepted in racist bear society; while their dumbass racoon cousins just hold them back.
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 24, 2010 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
just cuz mom went slumming that one night in college
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
lol
“Bears Boinking Bejing” was in the forest for that one night, and she never thought it would come back to haunt her.
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 24, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
But what kind of music do guy bears listen to when they want to identify?
Panda rap! Banda poseurs.
by TasteeFreeze on Nov 24, 2010 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
"Salmons Ain't Shit"
“99 Problems (but a hunter ain’t one)”
etc.
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 24, 2010 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
and of course, bears always affect bear victimage
because of all the social programs to protect the Panda species, while bears have to “work” for everything they have.
Nevermind the fact that programs to protect Pandas also protect bears, on a grander scale.
In a world where Pandas ain’t free, no bear is free.
by TasteeFreeze on Nov 24, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think a picture of KW with a panda gives you any leverage
unless by panda you mean “Thai.” Very sneaky.
by Gentleman Jim on Nov 24, 2010 4:36 PM CST up reply actions
I understand this is a small sample size
but if he’s done against the better teams late in the season, what’s he look like in October?
by TasteeFreeze on Nov 24, 2010 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
fielder is getting paid for all but one of his 4 or so wins.
that’s like a B prospect. not frickin gavin floyd.
Fireworks: Bang?
oh yes colin because gavin floyd is a stud like felix hernandez.
the dude is a bum. i was high on him too….but he is too inconsistent…. we got a good staff…. we need some offense- particularly from the left side. if you think anyone is going to get fielder for a B prospect you are fucking insane.
i am sure you supported the reds in the milt pappas for frank robinson deal. good lord.
Kenwo4life=ratings
alright... maybe bum is a little harsh... i'm just highly disappointed in him.
but if there is any chance in hell for acquiring fielder for him you do it…… he’s not a bum but he’s not a stud either.
Kenwo4life=ratings
He's borderline and signed to an extremely favorably contract
And hes 27. You need a lot more than 1 year of Prince Fielder chief.
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
still not worth it
You cant give up value for everyone man.
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
Oh boy is right
Guy can be dominant for stretches. He’s not getting paid like an ace, he’s getting paid like a 3-4. I have no problem with Floyd.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 23, 2010 7:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
BHB is so far away...
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
Next! On the 37th season of Survivor!
Fireworks: Bang?
by colintj on Nov 23, 2010 8:48 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
What about Jackson? Would Milwaukee consider it?
To say goodbye to all our company? - Chiburb on Nov 23, 2010 3:13 PM CST
fial. to mick - Chiburb on Nov 23, 2010 3:13 PM CST
jeez. - Chiburb on Nov 23, 2010 3:14 PM CST
fuck - Chiburb on Nov 23, 2010 3:14 PM CST
id rather have jackson
and i don’t think so because of the whole contract thing….
Kenwo4life=ratings
If we're basing it on who we'd rather have, I'd rather have Prince than either one of them.
Floyd’s value is in his contract. Jackson has value there too, but not as much because it’s only one year. Even if Jackson is a better pitcher, Floyd is more valuable because of the contract, and so, I’d rather give up Jackson in a deal.
To say goodbye to all our company? - Chiburb on Nov 23, 2010 3:13 PM CST
fial. to mick - Chiburb on Nov 23, 2010 3:13 PM CST
jeez. - Chiburb on Nov 23, 2010 3:14 PM CST
fuck - Chiburb on Nov 23, 2010 3:14 PM CST
The racial thing. We get it.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
lol no not for pitchers.
white pitchers….like quarterbacks are usually better. sorry t dogg its true. (although randall cunningham is my favorite QB ever)
if you are trading jackson you are going to have to give up a prospect or two with him because jackson is a free agent after the year…..
you might be able to get fielder straight up for floyd because of his contract situation.
since we don’t have any prospects the floyd- fielder trade seems more probable than a jackson+ prospect A and prospect B/Fielder trade does.
you gotta give something to get something. quit being jewish for god sake.
Kenwo4life=ratings
you might be able to?
lol. The Brewers would pee in their pants to make that that Trade
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
I see you are just trying to fuck with me.
Floyd makes 5 million next year. Fielder will make what 13+ do the damn math and stop this silly shit.
Floyd plus 8million > Fielder
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
Yep.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
disagree.
they won’t spend that 8 million wisely anyway. id rather just get someone to plug in the 4 spot and let him rake.
Kenwo4life=ratings
fielder will help the shitty hitting sox
every single game. floyd will pitch decently in 20 games. fielder impacts your team way more than floyd does.
Kenwo4life=ratings
floyd only plays once every 5 days
fielder is clearly better for the team with that value
4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow
I would trade floyd for fielder straight up in a heartbeat
but we already traded him for dunn.
If is is one handed shitting. by winningugly
fielder would positively impact the 2011 white sox more than floyd.
then, when he leaves after next year we get 2 picks and sign gonzalez.
If is is one handed shitting. by winningugly
Per B-R, Prince has been a single win better
per year than Gavin over the last three years. Fangraphs says Prince has been a half win better per season. Prince is will get 3 times as much money and isn’t under contract after this season. a straight up trade is stupid stupid stupid stupid.
stupid.
Fireworks: Bang?
Agreed, sucka.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 23, 2010 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
This.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
i like what you did there
made it a good thing that prince is a free agent after the year…but a bad thing that jackson is
by ndsoxfan on Nov 23, 2010 8:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
fielder is a 26 year old all star/ possible hall of famer.
floyd and jackson are not. its that simple.
Kenwo4life=ratings
clearly it isnt...
floyd and jackson make as much combined as prince does
what does their salary have to do with who the better player is?
If is is one handed shitting. by winningugly
I am so sick of this silly stuff with floyd
dude has nothing but get better and better. Last year he had bad luck. Simple as that. A .329 BABIP does that do you. He increased his gb% to 49% and continued a downward trend for hr%. IN THE CELL. Good God people. I mean Kenwo. A 4+ win pitcher for the last 2 years who’ll pass 5+ wins in the next 3 years. Guess who benefits from Morel at 3rd?
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
that whole war garbage?
yah.. that can blow me…. fucking for christ sakes… floyd is a tad better than average pitcher. Fielder is a top 10 power hitter in the business. Give me the everyday all star player over the above average pitcher every single time. you are all insane. i suppose you wouldn’t trade john danks for pujols either.
Kenwo4life=ratings
I said a war! Huah! Good God y'all, what is it good for?
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 23, 2010 10:33 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
This is glorious.
To say goodbye to all our company? - Chiburb on Nov 23, 2010 3:13 PM CST
fial. to mick - Chiburb on Nov 23, 2010 3:13 PM CST
jeez. - Chiburb on Nov 23, 2010 3:14 PM CST
fuck - Chiburb on Nov 23, 2010 3:14 PM CST
comparing floyd and fielder to danks and pujols is like comparing apples to squash
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 23, 2010 10:37 PM CST up reply actions
how the hell can you say any of that?
WAR is just taking all that shit you think you do in your head (but evidently don’t) and using a sensible methodology to get useful results. WAR loves Pujols. Prince didn’t even slug .500 last year. Pujols has never slugged less that .550 in his entire career.
Fireworks: Bang?
by colintj on Nov 23, 2010 10:38 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The methodology will change over time and nobody goes back and says, oops, I was wrong. The calculation for pitchers is significantly different than hitters as well. WAR also fails to calculate factors like the makeup of the teams involved or markets for types of players.
Worst of all it uses UZR.
what?
of course it’s different for pitchers. it uses FIP instead of wOBA and UZR. and why do you think i used three years? because UZR takes 3 years to get going. and there’s no reason for it take into consideration “markets for types of players” (whatever that means). and, aside from the fact there’s no evidence makeup (whatever that means) matters in the least, this is not the point of WAR.
the framework is simple. offensive runs above average. defensive runs above average. that gives you runs above average. add in however many runs average is above replacement. maybe correct for park and league.
you sound like someone who encountered fangraphs because someone told you some guy you liked sucked on there.
Fireworks: Bang?
3 years of UZR doesn’t make it good. Seriously, “get going”? You sound like some guy who thinks its cool to pull up a Fangraphs page and lecture everyone. Personally I finh the idea of pronouncing final conclusions on price while proclaiming that markets are irrelevant kind of odd.
by Salty on Nov 24, 2010 9:21 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
berating Kenwo is a time-honored tradition
he’s just upset he was too young for the Dick Allen era. obviously you’re not a golfer.
Fireworks: Bang?
so?
every methodology is refined. pointing out that there are flaws in a methodology doesn’t really matter if it’s as good, or better, than anything else available.
Except believers routinely ignore flaws
Better than anything else? Okay.
by Salty on Nov 24, 2010 9:22 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
any system that says that gavin floyd is more important to a team than prince fielder
is flawed. big time.
Kenwo4life=ratings
it doesn't. read what i wrote.
but if you’re trading someone for someone else THEIR CONTRACTS MATTER. unless your team has infinity dollars. do the Sox have infinity dollars? they don’t? there goes your shot at the forty man.
Fireworks: Bang?
I'll gladly make a donation for the KenWo4the40manRoster Charity
$4.86 should get things going. At least a Spring Training invite
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 23, 2010 11:56 PM CST up reply actions
if they had prince fielder
they would win more games…… have someone to sell to the fans besides the stupid manager….. and make more money.
Kenwo4life=ratings
How many more games next year do you think Prince would be worth over Floyd and whoever replaces Floyd?
"I was the nicest Hitler ever, pulling out chairs for old women and what not." -Rhubarb
by South Side Expat on Nov 24, 2010 12:05 AM CST up reply actions
if you have 15 million dollars to spend
and you acquire Prince, all of it goes to him. if you keep Floyd, you still have 10 million left. that’s going to make up the difference between the two and then some. the only way you win more games is if Prince has an MVP-type season. and then you don’t have Floyd in ’12 or ’13 at well below market.
Fireworks: Bang?
oh gee
so getting prince would save us from someone like teahen, linebrink, kotsay? darn.
Kenwo4life=ratings
why would you assume that the absolute
worst decisions of kenny’s tenure would characterize his choices? if kenny can’t be trusted to spend 10 million dollars, then he shouldn’t be GM. so maybe you should be making that argument, but i doubt too many folks will buy it.
Fireworks: Bang?
my argument is
if you can get fielder for floyd you do it. i don’t care if he has 2 months, 1 year or 10 years on his contract.
floyd isn’t that great.
Kenwo4life=ratings
He's know Freddy, that's for sure.
"I was the nicest Hitler ever, pulling out chairs for old women and what not." -Rhubarb
by South Side Expat on Nov 24, 2010 1:11 AM CST up reply actions
Know Freddy, know peace.
No Freddy, no KenWo.
No KenWo, no ratings.
No ratings, no Cheat.
No Cheat, larry.
Aww, fuck.
"Even when he finally screws her, he’s wearing the watermelon rind as a hat."
by Uribe Down on Nov 24, 2010 2:29 AM CST up reply actions 6 recs
I'd try to explain my upper class humour here... but I fear it would do know good.
"I was the nicest Hitler ever, pulling out chairs for old women and what not." -Rhubarb
by South Side Expat on Nov 24, 2010 3:04 AM CST up reply actions
id take freddy any day of the week!
floyd would never ever ever win a world series clinching game!
Kenwo4life=ratings
and that's a dumb argument
for reasons i’ve outlined at length. i obviously shouldn’t have taken the bait. but that’s not one of my strong suits.
Fireworks: Bang?
this is dumb as hell
please shut up. This stick is old and not funny. The world is not fucking flat
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
Sorry for the shut up
You are certainly entitled to your opinion. You just make my blood boil. :-)
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
whites make better quarterbacks and pitchers tdogg, i mean seriously, it's true
"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Nov 24, 2010 7:52 AM CST up reply actions
there are other words to describe his thoughts but i get your point
"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Nov 24, 2010 8:56 AM CST up reply actions
um, like, really goofy?
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
only if you think rush limbaugh is really goofy
"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Nov 24, 2010 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
that is true.
blacks make better running backs, basketball players and exciting baseball players.
jesus christ. thats common knowledge.
Kenwo4life=ratings
i know jackie robinson played
a buncha games at 3rd, but that would probably be cheating.
can’t think of any off the top of my head.
"Tin Man" Chris something
on the Giants in the early ’90’s or late ’80’s. Joe Foy for the Red Sox. Give me time – there’s more.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
Sheffield played 3rd for a few seasons.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
Terry Pendelton
and Bobby Bonilla. OK, I’m done.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
Chris Brown.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
he's played more games at third than any other position
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
Bel-TRAY
TS% = Thabo Sefolosha percentage. It calculates how much you can be like Thabo Sefolosha. That’s why Keith Bogans is at 70%.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 28, 2010 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
You funny.
All dark people are African-American to e-g. Racist.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
ok we have 4 i'll give credit for.
we have charlie hayes, terry pendleton, chris brown and bill madlock.
bonilla played over half his games at other positions as did figgins and Sheffield…. so they are out. tony phillips played a little 3rd too but not enough.
Kenwo4life=ratings
there is no schtick
though maybe the stick up your candy ass is old…..
in any world prince fielder will impact a club more than gavin fucking floyd will.
Kenwo4life=ratings
Yes, because he eats a ton more than Gavin actually weighs.
So, technically, you are correct.
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 24, 2010 7:09 PM CST up reply actions
Well, but you're forgetting the wOBA
of all the BBQ, tarter and ranch sauce the Prince drinks with all his veggies.
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 24, 2010 10:31 PM CST up reply actions
Is teabag 10 million?
No. Use some freaking common sense here. What can you buy for 10 million? This is simple math. WAR or no WAR.
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
I think he means altogether costing $10M.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 24, 2010 8:52 AM CST up reply actions
And what is your definition of an average pitcher????
A tad better??? What are you using, wins? Thanks for checking in Phil Rogers….
Oh I forgot. Danks and Floyd would both blow. Let’s replace everyone with Freddie.
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
Sox did him a big favor not offering him arb
He’ll get a lot more interest from other teams now that they don’t have to give up any draft picks. Can’t say that I’ll be sorry to see him go, was never one of my favorites.
"We are strong enough as we are and everything fits together in such a way that the only thing we were going to add would be something of an impact guy," KW
So you don't like the 2005 ring much?
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
you were never one of my favorites
4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow
by blackoutsox on Nov 23, 2010 7:48 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
tut mir leid aber nicht weh
Saw enough of him leading off an inning with Sox down three runs and hacking away at any shit within 5 feet of the strike zone. Very selfish player IMO.
"We are strong enough as we are and everything fits together in such a way that the only thing we were going to add would be something of an impact guy," KW
"Selfish" is one way to interpret it.
“It’s the only way he knows how to be effective” is another.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
Then he doesn't have much baseball IQ
After 13 seasons most players learn a modicum of plate discipline – he’s had a career high of 25 walks and that dropped to 15 last year. I think even Viciedo might be able to do better than 15 over a full season. Christ, even Sammy Sosa learned how to stop hacking at everything by the time he turned 30. I don’t think he’s stupid, which leads me to conclude he’s selfish and sacrificing OBP to pad his BA.
Between that and the automatic SB every time a runner took off on him, combined with the endless knob slobbing by Hawk and Cowley – no, I won’t miss him.
"We are strong enough as we are and everything fits together in such a way that the only thing we were going to add would be something of an impact guy," KW
I won't miss him either
but I don’t think we are going to have that opportunity.
"SSS is now a second-rate blog" - larry 11/18/2010
how would swinging at bad pitches pad your BA?
i’m sure it’s pretty much what Jim said. you don’t know guys like him? maybe he’s overly sure of himself, but that’s a big part of how he’s able to play more games behind the plate than anybody.
Fireworks: Bang?
Many baseball players, especially good ones,
inherently value hits much more than walks. It hasn’t broken him yet.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 24, 2010 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
You either like a player or you don't like a player
Bottom line I don’t like him, and I won’t miss him. First two years of him were bearable, last three not so much. On top of that he fits into that category of douchebag that bleaches his hair.
"We are strong enough as we are and everything fits together in such a way that the only thing we were going to add would be something of an impact guy," KW
I give up
Offseason is useless around here.
"We are strong enough as we are and everything fits together in such a way that the only thing we were going to add would be something of an impact guy," KW
done. boom.
4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow
Steak dinner?
To say goodbye to all our company? - Chiburb on Nov 23, 2010 3:13 PM CST
fial. to mick - Chiburb on Nov 23, 2010 3:13 PM CST
jeez. - Chiburb on Nov 23, 2010 3:14 PM CST
fuck - Chiburb on Nov 23, 2010 3:14 PM CST
this makes me unhappy, so whois going to be the catcher?
not flowers plz no. I like player but I LOVE MY TEAM.
I'D LIKE TO APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE FOR MY BEHAVIOR!! I DAYDREAM WITH THE BEST OF THEM.......
by pierzynskirules on Nov 23, 2010 10:12 PM CST reply actions
I will miss AJ, personally.
Many, many unforgettable moments. The 2005 playoffs, the Cubs-Sox brawl when he slapped home plate, the bleached blonde hair, repeatedly throwing Cowley out at second base… and on, and on…
I was kinda hoping they’d offer him arbitration. At least for the draft picks. I mean it wouldn’t have been the end of the world had he accepted. He would’ve given back what he’d been paid, and it’s not like we have any other better in-house option.
Honestly, it’s a bad decision, imo. I would’ve offered. Those two picks could really have been something. But hey, there’s still 37 minutes left to offer arbitration! Do it Kenny!
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 23, 2010 10:23 PM CST reply actions
Agreed
Not many people can use the rules to his advantage like AJ. Dropped third strike, causing interference in a rundown, etc (or was that just milking that one umpire?). He does gotta go though. I was kinda hoping they’d offer arb too, but I could see where they think he would accept and want to save the cash.
Fucking shit on this shit
See you all next week
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by billyok on Nov 24, 2010 12:12 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
One comment every six days is not enough billy in our lives.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Nov 24, 2010 12:18 AM CST up reply actions
Replace "billy" with "Cheat".
Wait. You were right.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
You know what really pisses me off...
in MLB theshow 2010, I got outbid by the Tigers to V-Mart, too. I offered 5/60 and they went 4/52. Video games predict the future!!!!
I cannot answer any more questions for you today. I has wickeds gas from drink too manys redbull.
Russel Martin
if he gets non-tendered by the Dodgers, he’s my new favorite target as the White Sox Catcher.
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