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Baseball America's White Sox 2011 Projected Lineup (From 2008)

Prior to the 2008 season, Baseball America projected what the 2011 White Sox would look like.  This is what they came up with:

Catcher A.J. Pierzynski
First Base Paul Konerko
Second Base Chris Getz
Third Base Joe Crede
Shortstop Orlando Cabrera
Left Field Josh Fields
Center Field Nick Swisher
Right Field Carlos Quentin
Designated Hitter Jermaine Dye
No. 1 Starter Mark Buehrle
No. 2 Starter Javier Vazquez
No. 3 Starter Aaron Poreda
No. 4 Starter John Danks
No. 5 Starter Lance Broadway
Closer Bobby Jenks

Star-divide

In case it wasn't obvious, they were limited to players in the organization at the time.  Which is really not a good thing when that organization is the White Sox.  By my count, it currently looks like they've got one position player correct (Quentin), though one can debate the position, and there's varying degrees of likelihood of them being correct about Konerko and Pierzynski.  They also got two starters correct in Buehrle and Danks (I'll leave to others the debate over ranking of starters).  3 out of 15 isn't a very good result.

Of course, Baseball America probably shouldn't be penalized too much for player movements (particularly given the White Sox' propensity to swap players).  After all, the point of these projections shouldn't necessarily be this player will be starting for this particular team in four seasons' time but this player will be capable of starting for a major league baseball team, and at this position, in four seasons' time.

So, on that basis, how did Baseball America do? Well, two players (Crede and Dye) are currently out of baseball.  Another two (Getz and Fields) are with the Royals but probably are not starter material at any position, though I guess you never know with the Royals. Two more (Poreda and Broadway) are in the minors and are rather unlikely to be pitching, let alone starting, in the majors anytime soon.  Poreda completely lost the plot after going to the Padres - he's averaged over 10 walks per 9 innings, mostly in the minors, since the trade - and Broadway, who was never much to begin with, had a WHIP approaching 2 and an ERA approaching 8 for the Blue Jays' AAA team last season.

Four (Cabrera, Vazquez, Konerko and Pierzynski) are free agents and, outside of Cabrera, whose days as a starter may have passed, are all very likely to be signed by someone to start at the positions assigned to them here.  One more (Jenks) is soon to be joining those players as a free agent but is likely going to be closing somewhere.  And the last one (Swisher) isn't going to be playing center for anyone but is a starter for the Yankees.

So, 8 out of 15, or 9 out of 15 if we give them credit for Swisher.  Others have done the same analysis for their team (Twins, Mets, Rays, Braves) and Baseball America had varying degrees of success, whiffing on the Mets but doing very well on the Twins.  Also, Jon "I haven't gotten out of A ball" Gilmore, then of the Braves, was projected to be a starting third baseman.  I guess the White Sox might be having an open competition there in spring training, so good luck, Jon.

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great find larry

"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Nov 26, 2010 7:27 AM CST reply actions  

Indeed.

Intoxicated with the wine of cloaking powers and the gin of banning authority since 2005.

by Chiburb on Nov 26, 2010 8:43 AM CST up reply actions  

one item i neglected to clarify in the piece

is that alexei probably wasn’t eligible. while it was announced that the white sox had signed him i think right before christmas 2007, it wasn’t official until late january, which was after this article was published. he probably would have replaced someone on the list, most likely OC.

by larry on Nov 26, 2010 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

for colin
As expected, Martinez will primarily be DH, not catcher. He’ll spell Alex Avila 2-3 times a week, according to press release.

http://twitter.com/beckjason/status/8164200178253824

by larry on Nov 26, 2010 9:24 AM CST reply actions  

pricey dh

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Nov 26, 2010 9:32 AM CST up reply actions  

i think they'll come out okay this year

as long as he stays healthy and he plays enough games at catcher. i think that’ll be enough.

Fireworks: Bang?

by colintj on Nov 26, 2010 10:22 AM CST up reply actions  

that was my thought

like i said. pricey dh.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Nov 26, 2010 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

dombrowski estimated he'd be getting 60 games at C.

he might get a bit of an offensive bump by being a DH, as is usually the case when a catcher doesn’t catch so much, but it ain’t going to be anywhere close to bridging the positional value chasm. i thank the tigers for this.

by larry on Nov 26, 2010 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Investing money in a DH, what idiots.

Ozzie is laughing at them from his boat today. He’ll be shouting though when Martinez goes deep on a game winner and KotsayD’H is still practicing his double-play swing in the dug out.

"'This is an issue Ozzie Guillen obviously feels very passionately about. Ozzie certainly has his own experiences as a player, coach and manager, and is entitled to his own opinions, but the Chicago White Sox believe his views are incorrect.'' - (What should be the) White Sox official statement (on the DH issue and coveting speed over OPS)

by justjc on Nov 26, 2010 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

investing in a DH

and spending that kind of money for his production is two very different things.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Nov 26, 2010 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Aren't you the one who always argues it isn't our money so the amount shouldn't be our concern.

I completely agree Illitch overpaid on this one, but he still has plenty of pizza money to throw around and he has a nice DH who can spell his catcher now and then to boot. Besides, overpaying might be what it takes to get some players to go to Detroit. Remeber Damon’s wife last year?

"'This is an issue Ozzie Guillen obviously feels very passionately about. Ozzie certainly has his own experiences as a player, coach and manager, and is entitled to his own opinions, but the Chicago White Sox believe his views are incorrect.'' - (What should be the) White Sox official statement (on the DH issue and coveting speed over OPS)

by justjc on Nov 26, 2010 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

huh

when have i ever argued that budgets dont matter? The point is you can do better for dh at that price. Pretty simple. Pot shots at Ozzie dont change that.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Nov 26, 2010 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

what other FA hitters do you want over Martinez though?

Crawford and Dunn and that’s about it as far as offensive production.

the only thing that is relevant is SSS.

by e-gus on Nov 26, 2010 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

jayson werth would probably argue with you.

if you’d expand to position player, and not just worry about hitting, i imagine there are plenty who’d also want beltre. i’ve seen quite a few who ranked konerko above vmart in free agent rankings, too.

and if we get into value for money, the potentials expand further.

i don’t think the tigers are crazy for doing this. but they’ve paid a high price for it. perhaps they’re counting on him being able to catch longer by reducing his workload (as in, he’ll be able to catch 60 games each season over the course of the contract, as opposed to what some have projected for him, like 100 games, then 75 games, then 50 games, then no games). i’d be far more sanguine if they could play him a majority of the time at 1B, instead of DH.

by larry on Nov 26, 2010 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Martinez is a terrible defensive catcher but a good hitter.

Seems like dh is a pretty good spot for him. Cabrerra already plays 1b because he wasn’t a good 3rd baseman. Leyland, unlike Ozzie understands the concept of moving players around to maximize their talent. Not very respectful but effective.

If is is one handed shitting. by winningugly

by mick10 on Nov 26, 2010 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

any good hitter might be a fit for dh

the problem is the price tag. Can justify it for catcher. Not for Dh. Why is that difficult to understand

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Nov 26, 2010 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I get it dogg, thanks for your concern.

If is is one handed shitting. by winningugly

by mick10 on Nov 26, 2010 5:03 PM CST up reply actions  

he was hurt in 08

but regardless. He has 1 year over a .900 ops. One.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Nov 26, 2010 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

He has none

But he’s been remarkably consistent in the mid-.800s outside 08. For a catcher, that’s very good. For a DH/Catcher, still pretty good. Consistency is very highly valued and he’s a great teammate. Just the little things.

by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 26, 2010 6:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Like AJ. Those intangibles, eh.

He’s expensive. Glad we are not having to have this discussion for real (as in, I’m glad we did not sign him).

I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT

by winningugly on Nov 26, 2010 6:52 PM CST up reply actions  

kotsay is a great teammate too.

If is is one handed shitting. by winningugly

by mick10 on Nov 26, 2010 6:54 PM CST up reply actions  

And consistent, too.

Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

by Shoeless In SC on Nov 26, 2010 8:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, yeah.

They are Phillies fans.

I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT

by winningugly on Nov 26, 2010 10:10 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT

by rhythm on Nov 27, 2010 1:38 AM CST up reply actions  

this keeps bugging me, so here goes.

i know that most or all of you guys don’t believe in phandom, so i try to let things slide, but this here is a series of posts that really bother me. when you say things like “idiots = phillies fans” and mock them for daring to share their beliefs in public and even implying that they are fools for having those beliefs in the first place, it hurts.

i like you guys and i like posting here. i’m not asking you to completely stop saying things that could be considered “toungue-in-cheek”, but can you please try to keep it tame? even if you think it’s funny, not everyone feels the same way.

I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.

by thatshortkid on Nov 27, 2010 11:39 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Every fanbase has their jagoffs... but Philly fans just appear to have so many, and more that make headlines

Fans should never be making headlines… but Philadelphia fans often do. Something’s not right there.

Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

by Shoeless In SC on Nov 27, 2010 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

No, I got it.

Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

by Shoeless In SC on Nov 27, 2010 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Sounds good

Quentin and Thornton for Dom Brown sounds fair right?

CAGO WHY SOGS CAGO WHY SOGSSSS

by soxrule!35 on Nov 26, 2010 10:30 AM CST up reply actions  

The third poster, George, sums it up pretty well for them

Thornton will not be moving for prospects. They are way low on askign price in any trade.

"'This is an issue Ozzie Guillen obviously feels very passionately about. Ozzie certainly has his own experiences as a player, coach and manager, and is entitled to his own opinions, but the Chicago White Sox believe his views are incorrect.'' - (What should be the) White Sox official statement (on the DH issue and coveting speed over OPS)

by justjc on Nov 26, 2010 10:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Do you think anything is ever going to happen with the practice of bidding for negotiating rights?

Something rolled into the next player agreement, or even before then?

"I was the nicest Hitler ever, pulling out chairs for old women and what not." -Rhubarb

by South Side Expat on Nov 26, 2010 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

also, if they don't sign him they don't pay the posting fee.

regardless, teh Twin are spending money. It’s a bad thing.

by madvillian on Nov 26, 2010 9:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I know about how the posting fee works and that the Japanese teams not being part of the CBA.

I just wonder if anyone thinks that the practice will somehow change or evolve anytime soon. Such as coffeepac suggests, if one team ends up doing it as a blocking move, etc.

"I was the nicest Hitler ever, pulling out chairs for old women and what not." -Rhubarb

by South Side Expat on Nov 26, 2010 9:55 PM CST up reply actions  

BTF had some discussion about this on their posting thread.

I dunno what the answer is, I don’t know anything about labor relations in Japan but the Japanese players can’t be happy with the posting system.

http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/newsstand/discussion/twins_win_bidding_for_nishioka/

I’m guessing the Japanese players have a weak union compared to their US counter-parts. They are getting screwed here.

by madvillian on Nov 26, 2010 11:17 PM CST up reply actions  

the players have an interest in that, too.

if quality of play drops too much, which would be the logical result of more players going to america, there ain’t going to be much of a japanese league. meaning less pay / no pay for the 95+% of players who aren’t good enough to play major league baseball.

by larry on Nov 27, 2010 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

There might be something, but it won't be in the CBA

If it turns out that the A’s won the bid for Iwakuma was as a block and not as a good faith bid, we might see the posting process open up some.

Probably just make it so you walk down the list of bidders and give each team a 14-30 day exclusive negotiating window, or something like that.

by coffeepac on Nov 26, 2010 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

They were hard enough to compete with without having any revenue

Damn Target Field

"'This is an issue Ozzie Guillen obviously feels very passionately about. Ozzie certainly has his own experiences as a player, coach and manager, and is entitled to his own opinions, but the Chicago White Sox believe his views are incorrect.'' - (What should be the) White Sox official statement (on the DH issue and coveting speed over OPS)

by justjc on Nov 26, 2010 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

This is certainly not good news for us.

Hopefully the new found wealth goes to their heads and they start making splashy, unsound investments. I’m not betting on that though.

"'This is an issue Ozzie Guillen obviously feels very passionately about. Ozzie certainly has his own experiences as a player, coach and manager, and is entitled to his own opinions, but the Chicago White Sox believe his views are incorrect.'' - (What should be the) White Sox official statement (on the DH issue and coveting speed over OPS)

by justjc on Nov 26, 2010 11:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Like giving out a 25MM a year deal

to an injury prone catcher? There’s no way that deal bites them in the ass in 3-4 years.

by coffeepac on Nov 26, 2010 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

It might, but a lot of that money was also investing to keep fans in the seats.

Mauer walks on the waters of Lake Superior for Twins fans don’t you know. Losing him would have cost a lot more than his bat.

"'This is an issue Ozzie Guillen obviously feels very passionately about. Ozzie certainly has his own experiences as a player, coach and manager, and is entitled to his own opinions, but the Chicago White Sox believe his views are incorrect.'' - (What should be the) White Sox official statement (on the DH issue and coveting speed over OPS)

by justjc on Nov 26, 2010 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

who? what?

Derek Jeter?

winning puts fans in the seats. everything else is secondary. when you lose sight of that point you start signing Aubrey Huff for 11MM a year or something similar.

by coffeepac on Nov 26, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

joe mauer is a great baseball player currently.

derek jeter isn’t. perhaps, as you said, in 4th or 5th year of the contract things will not look so good. but punting mauer would’ve sent the message to fans, true or not, that the twins weren’t all that serious about winning.

by larry on Nov 26, 2010 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Btw, larry, that photo caption is sig-worthy.

Intoxicated with the wine of cloaking powers and the gin of banning authority since 2005.

by Chiburb on Nov 26, 2010 10:52 AM CST reply actions  

Mick's 2014 projected lineup

C Phegley
1b Viciedo
2b Beckham
3b Morel
ss Escobar
lf Thompson
cf Mitchell
rf Rios
dh Kotsay
no. 1 Danks
no. 2 Sale
no. 3 Floyd
no. 4 Petricka
no. 5 Rienzo
closer Santos

If is is one handed shitting. by winningugly

by mick10 on Nov 26, 2010 6:35 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

So when you do kill yourself?

And I am speaking of the general “you”.

I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT

by winningugly on Nov 26, 2010 6:39 PM CST up reply actions  

not sure what you mean?

that’s a 95 win team.

If is is one handed shitting. by winningugly

by mick10 on Nov 26, 2010 6:57 PM CST up reply actions  

AAA?

I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT

by winningugly on Nov 26, 2010 7:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Bacon

my tells me in US you only do streaky from the belly and don’t do side? Back is best cut and most tasty to make a bacon sandwich.

by hoodlight on Nov 26, 2010 7:03 PM CST reply actions  

agree. back cut (canadian) is available but not in demand here.

Back cut is also healthier.

If is is one handed shitting. by winningugly

by mick10 on Nov 26, 2010 7:15 PM CST up reply actions  

back looks like this

if you don’t get this type of bacon you are missing out! but you seem to get it from Canada Mick.
lol

by hoodlight on Nov 26, 2010 7:20 PM CST up reply actions  

mmmmmm

If is is one handed shitting. by winningugly

by mick10 on Nov 26, 2010 7:28 PM CST up reply actions  

That looks amazing.

Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

by Shoeless In SC on Nov 26, 2010 8:32 PM CST up reply actions  

If you want healthy, then go eat turkey bacon.

Canadian bacon has it’s place on eggs benedict but that’s it.

"I was the nicest Hitler ever, pulling out chairs for old women and what not." -Rhubarb

by South Side Expat on Nov 26, 2010 7:36 PM CST up reply actions  

better than cottage bacon?

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Nov 26, 2010 7:46 PM CST up reply actions  

its not all pork belly

Although most of it is fatty. The fat does two things when youi fry it: tastes great and crisps the meat. You can get other cuts of the pig as bacon but you gotta hunt for it.

by coffeepac on Nov 26, 2010 7:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Back to yesterday's turkey discussion

have you had it deep fried? Not at all greasy, but it keeps the juices in. Even the ‘bad’ ones we’ve had have still been decent enough. We’ve done it for the past four or five years, and don’t plan on going back to the oven.

by CWSKeith on Nov 26, 2010 7:32 PM CST up reply actions  

don't have a pan big enough to deep fry a turkey

I seen it done on the telly in the US – but you do it in the garage or something like that – we don;t really have the room. Turkey is roasted in oven usually,

by hoodlight on Nov 26, 2010 7:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Amen, brotha. Once you go fried, you don't go back.

Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

by Shoeless In SC on Nov 26, 2010 8:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Remember this thread? Let's take a stroll down memory lane, shall we...

::: http://www.southsidesox.com/2008/2/9/184234/5532 :::

What I said at the time:

Not too bright…

1. Egbert – Has shown the greatest amount of success in the minors, even though we’ve only seen him up to AA. However, his stats in AA and the low minors were absolutely dominant. He’s a high strikeout, low walk guy. (3-4:1). To me, I think he has the highest ceiling of all these guys.

2. Broadway – I may catch some flack here, but Broadway has shown some decent success in AAA and for a short while, the majors. He’s not a high K guy, and he does have an unpretty K to walk ratio, but he does a great job at limiting the home run ball. That’s really key for MLB success with the White Sox.

3. Contreras – The question was posed “over the rest of their career” … well Contreras doesn’t really have a high ceiling anymore because of his age, but I think whether he starts or comes out of the pen, he can be very effective. I see last year as something of a blip, and his real potential as a 4.5ish ERA, 1.3 WHIP. If he comes out of the bullpen I see him doing even better.

4. Danks – Danks at least pitched a whole season in the bigs so I’m tempted to say he has the most potential, but he really struggled sometimes, especially giving up home runs. He gives up way too many to be pitching in the Cell. He could be a #2 or #3 right now if he pitched in Petco… but alas… he doesn’t. I do like his stuff… I just think he needs to work on his control. I see him as a future #4, and possibly, maybe, the Sox #3 someday. He really needs to work on getting the ball down in the zone.

5. Floyd – is kind of a mystery. He obviously had the potential, but that seems like so long ago. He’s hardly got good stuff (645K in 813 IP) but like I’ve been harping about… he does a decent job of limiting the home run ball. He doesn’t walk that many guys, but it doesn’t exactly look promising either. I see him as a future #4 as well, which is why I’m kind of tied with him and Danks. Danks has the better stuff and slightly better control.

Obviously, Broadway was all smoke and mirrors.

Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

by Shoeless In SC on Nov 26, 2010 8:43 PM CST reply actions  

Quote fail. Damn,

Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

by Shoeless In SC on Nov 26, 2010 8:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Let's try that again.

::: http://www.southsidesox.com/2008/2/9/184234/5532 :::

1. Egbert – Has shown the greatest amount of success in the minors, even though we’ve only seen him up to AA. However, his stats in AA and the low minors were absolutely dominant. He’s a high strikeout, low walk guy. (3-4:1). To me, I think he has the highest ceiling of all these guys.

2. Broadway – I may catch some flack here, but Broadway has shown some decent success in AAA and for a short while, the majors. He’s not a high K guy, and he does have an unpretty K to walk ratio, but he does a great job at limiting the home run ball. That’s really key for MLB success with the White Sox.

3. Contreras – The question was posed "over the rest of their career" … well Contreras doesn’t really have a high ceiling anymore because of his age, but I think whether he starts or comes out of the pen, he can be very effective. I see last year as something of a blip, and his real potential as a 4.5ish ERA, 1.3 WHIP. If he comes out of the bullpen I see him doing even better.

4. Danks – Danks at least pitched a whole season in the bigs so I’m tempted to say he has the most potential, but he really struggled sometimes, especially giving up home runs. He gives up way too many to be pitching in the Cell. He could be a #2 or #3 right now if he pitched in Petco… but alas… he doesn’t. I do like his stuff… I just think he needs to work on his control. I see him as a future #4, and possibly, maybe, the Sox #3 someday. He really needs to work on getting the ball down in the zone.

5. Floyd – is kind of a mystery. He obviously had the potential, but that seems like so long ago. He’s hardly got good stuff (645K in 813 IP) but like I’ve been harping about… he does a decent job of limiting the home run ball. He doesn’t walk that many guys, but it doesn’t exactly look promising either. I see him as a future #4 as well, which is why I’m kind of tied with him and Danks. Danks has the better stuff and slightly better control.

Much better looking quote box.
But yes, I think I was probably alone in my assessment of Broadway. I haven’t trusted low K/IP guys since. A lot of us liked Egbert then.

Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

by Shoeless In SC on Nov 26, 2010 8:48 PM CST up reply actions  

wow that is pretty bad dude.

i woulda said:

1. Contreras
2. Floyd
3. Danks
4. Broadway
5. Egbert

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 26, 2010 9:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Hindsight is 20/20 Ken.

Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

by Shoeless In SC on Nov 26, 2010 9:43 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah my only saving grace wrt Egbert was my propensity for self-doubt

i don’t hate what i said, but i definitely learned from the Egbert crash and burn.

Fireworks: Bang?

by colintj on Nov 27, 2010 12:15 AM CST up reply actions  

oh really?

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Nov 27, 2010 9:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I try to read what the scouts say regarding prospects

when it’s available. Most often I have to rely on the numbers. However most everything written about Broadway in the past wasn’t favorable of him being more than a #5. I ignored all of that and just looked at the numbers.

Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

by Shoeless In SC on Nov 27, 2010 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

*Ahem*

FNS

"I was the nicest Hitler ever, pulling out chairs for old women and what not." -Rhubarb

by South Side Expat on Nov 26, 2010 11:07 PM CST reply actions  

No its cool to link this

and JJ makes an excellent point. Floyd does have the most value but folks might not realize it. Probably best just to hold on to him and have a great season to fuck with Kenwo.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Nov 27, 2010 9:40 AM CST up reply actions  

hey i was a floyd backer before anyone

i just have not seen the talent as consistently as i want to…. so if he’s the biggest trade piece… send him out.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 27, 2010 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

lies.

you’ve always hated him.

Fireworks: Bang?

by colintj on Nov 27, 2010 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

correct big lie

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Nov 27, 2010 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

that is not true at all

going into last year i proclaimed him the ace of the staff

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 27, 2010 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

boobs or it didn't happen

To say goodbye to all our company? - Chiburb on Nov 23, 2010 3:13 PM CST
fial. to mick - Chiburb on Nov 23, 2010 3:13 PM CST
jeez. - Chiburb on Nov 23, 2010 3:14 PM CST
fuck - Chiburb on Nov 23, 2010 3:14 PM CST

by RWShow on Nov 27, 2010 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

i think it would be daft to trade floyd

the one thing we don’t have the inside on is his injury risk – but he’s been pretty durable so far

by hoodlight on Nov 27, 2010 11:58 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm making the assumption

that other gms wont offer what he’s worth – so only reason they would undersell him if they think he has big future health problems

by hoodlight on Nov 27, 2010 12:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

fk the twins

that is all

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