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This Month in White Sox Minor League Baseball

This month:

  • The pitchers who pitch in the various Winter Leagues are almost always relievers looking to get in a little extra work (and make a little extra money), usually for their hometown teams.  There isn't really a great deal to be learned from their numbers, considering the extremely small sample sizes and generally low level of competition, but it provides an opportunity to take a look at some of the guys who will be competing for the last couple of bullpen spots, including the most recent addition to the White Sox.
  • RHP Gregory Infante, who Baseball America recently rated as the 6th best prospect in the organization, is playing for Tiburones de La Guaira in Venezuela.  He's appeared in 7 games, throwing 6 innings.  He's had a bit of trouble with control, as he's walked 9, against 4 strikeouts, and has also hit 2 batters and thrown a wild pitch.  Lack of control of his mid-90s fastball is often his problem, and we can safely assume that's the issue here, but he certainly has the stuff to be a set-up man.
  • RHP Jhonny Nunez, who appeared for the White Sox in 2009, is with Tigres del Licey in the Dominican Republic.  2010 was a bit of a lost season for him, as he was sent to Birmingham to build up his innings and work on his changeup as a starter, and then moved up to Charlotte where he was inconsistent as a reliever and didn't merit a September call-up, though his peripherals were better than his results.  He's experiencing a bounce back winter campaign, appearing in 11 games for 11 innings and has struck out 14 while walking only 2.  His raw stuff isn't as good as Infante's - his fastball sits in the low 90s - and his ceiling isn't as high, but his slider and, to a lesser extent, changeup give him more advanced secondary offerings for the time being.

Star-divide

  • RHP Freddy Dolsi was claimed off waivers from the Tigers last offseason but never appeared for the White Sox.  He's still sitting on the 40 man roster, though, so apparently someone still likes him.  He's got decent enough stuff to be a low leverage reliever but he walks too many and doesn't strike out enough.  Still, a mid-90s fastball will get you a lot of chances, even if you're 28.  He's also with Licey and has pitched in 10 games, going 9.1 innings, and has walked 6 against 4 strikeouts.
  • LHP Hector Santiago is a personal favorite.  Other than hearing that his stuff isn't anything special, I don't have a scouting report.  But he's gotten strikeouts at every level so far (career 10.3 per 9 innings) and, upon repeating at Winston-Salem this year, dropped his walk rate below 3 per 9 IP.  He'll be turning 23 next month.  The reason he's on the radar is because, by default, he's probably the third best lefty in the minors.  He's pitching for Gigantes de Carolina in Puerto Rico and has appeared in 14 games, one inning apiece, and has 14 strikeouts versus 7 walks.
  • RHP Waldis Joaquin was picked up earlier this week off of waivers from San Francisco.  It's easy to see why the White Sox would love him as he's a pure power arm, with a four seamer that sits in the mid to upper 90s, and a two seamer that's a few ticks below.  He also has a hard slider that flashes as a plus pitch.  As is usual, control of those pitches is his primary issue and he tends to fall in love with his fastball, resulting in a predictable pitch pattern.  He's with Gigantes del Cibao in the Dominican but has only pitched 2 innings so far, giving up 7 hits, walking 1 and striking out 3.  He'll be 24 next month.  I bet he'll get a long look in spring training. [update 11/28: Joaquin rejected the claim and declared free agency].
  • You can follow these, and all the other White Sox in winter ball, here.
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    thanks for this

    I hear winter ball here and there but nice to get it all summarized in one place as far as sox are concerned.

    Is there ever any concerns how these guys in winter ball teams are managed and supervised? In terms of their workload I mean. Does a prospect arrive at a team with his MLB team orders of what workload should look like or is it that the winter teams are run by pros already and they know what’s good etc.

    Taking a walk in a donky park listening to the wind of change

    by LT_sox_fan on Nov 27, 2010 4:11 PM CST reply actions  

    there's certainly a concern. that's one of the reasons the arizona fall league came about.

    of course, you’ll sometimes see legitimate big leaguers playing, too, like miguel tejada or miguel cabrera. a lot of the guys who are playing winter ball aren’t exactly prospects so a team may have less interest in those players. but legitimate players and prospects are closely monitored. as you mention, there will be instructions for how a pitcher should be used. teams will also have their scouts watching games. sometimes coaches or other personnel also work for big league teams. these foreign teams know that if a player gets hurt, and it could even arguably be the fault of the team, they won’t be seen as a good destination for players in the future. so they have an incentive, too, to make sure there are no issues.

    by larry on Nov 27, 2010 4:29 PM CST up reply actions  

    does anyone else have a timer counting down to who knows what at the top of their page?

    Mine is at 17 hours, 5 minutes and about 20 seconds right now.

    what the hell is it for?

    the only thing that is relevant is SSS.

    by e-gus on Nov 27, 2010 5:54 PM CST reply actions  

    it's the absolut vodka stunt

    they are doing some kind of big meetup type thing – although I doubt the Leeds one will have that many visitors – it’s fucking freezing here

    by hoodlight on Nov 27, 2010 5:56 PM CST up reply actions  

    I guess tomorrow all of us will be slurping absolut bloody mary

    while watching football, I presume? I wasn’t planning on drinking tomorrow but if Absolut says you have to there isn’t any way to say no.

    Taking a walk in a donky park listening to the wind of change

    by LT_sox_fan on Nov 27, 2010 6:27 PM CST up reply actions  

    I like Vodka

    Bisongrass is my favourite

    by hoodlight on Nov 27, 2010 6:28 PM CST up reply actions  

    yeah, can't go wrong with Vodka

    although I will say I only have two rules for it:

    - nothing below 40% (80proof)
    - no plastic containers (can’t be cheaper than lemonade)

    Taking a walk in a donky park listening to the wind of change

    by LT_sox_fan on Nov 27, 2010 7:40 PM CST up reply actions  

    my favorite summer drink

    3 parts lemonade
    1 part vodka
    1 part celtic crossing liqueur

    one of my favorites anyway.

    the only thing that is relevant is SSS.

    by e-gus on Nov 27, 2010 8:14 PM CST up reply actions  

    Moscow Mule

    3 parts Ginger beer
    1 part vodka
    1/4 fresh squeezed lime
    served over ice in a copper mug

    If is is one handed shitting. by winningugly

    by mick10 on Nov 27, 2010 9:02 PM CST up reply actions  

    that's good.

    a raspberry moscow mule is better.
    raspberry vodka, muddle up a bunch of raspberries in the shaker and do the same as you say.

    by craigws on Nov 27, 2010 10:08 PM CST up reply actions  

    that sounds good, I'll give it a try.

    If is is one handed shitting. by winningugly

    by mick10 on Nov 27, 2010 10:51 PM CST up reply actions  

    you guys sound like gays.

    raspberries. fucking queers. nobody drinks jack on the rocks anymore? pussies.

    Kenwo4life=ratings

    by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 27, 2010 11:02 PM CST up reply actions  

    fuck off

    If is is one handed shitting. by winningugly

    by mick10 on Nov 27, 2010 11:04 PM CST up reply actions  

    you still up, faggot?

    If is is one handed shitting. by winningugly

    by mick10 on Nov 27, 2010 11:07 PM CST up reply actions  

    Why would you call him a bundle of sticks

    Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
    by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

    by Shoeless In SC on Nov 28, 2010 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

    Wow. Just wow. I must know what you typed into Google to find that.

    Or… there’s the alternative… that you somehow knew about this movie.

    Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
    by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

    by Shoeless In SC on Nov 27, 2010 11:11 PM CST up reply actions  

    bruce labruce is larry's real name

    the only thing that is relevant is SSS.

    by e-gus on Nov 27, 2010 11:41 PM CST up reply actions  

    You're only a pussy if you don't smelt your own copper.

    If you make the drink listed above but you smelt your own copper you could probably beat the shit out of eleven or so jack on the rocks drinkers.

    by PeejSox on Nov 27, 2010 11:13 PM CST up reply actions  

    Hell yeah. I bet whomever wrote these instructions for smelting copper was a super badass

    Difficulty: Moderate
    Instructions

    1. Buy a mining pick. You can purchase a mining pick from general goods vendors or from an auction house, or you can trade for one with another player.

    2. Speak with a mining trainer to become a miner. Trainers are found in major cities and in some towns. To find a mining trainer, right-click on a guard in a city and they will direct you to a trainer.

    3. Find a copper vein to mine. Copper veins are very abundant and are often found outside of newbie zones.

    4. Approach the copper vein and right-click on it to begin mining. Your character will take out his pick and start mining. The copper veins will yield copper ore and rough stones.

    5. Right-click on the mined copper ore to take it.

    6. Go to a forge. You can find a forge wherever there is a blacksmithing trainer or a lot of arms and mail merchants. In towns, forges are usually at blacksmith mills.

    7. Approach the forge and open your smelting box. The smelting box is in your spell book.

    8. Click on the “Smelt Copper” option and then click either “Create” or “Create All.” The “Create” option will smelt the number of copper bars you specify, while the “Create All” option will smelt all of your copper ore into copper bars.


    link

    Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
    by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

    by Shoeless In SC on Nov 27, 2010 11:21 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

    LOL

    Taking a walk in a donky park listening to the wind of change

    by LT_sox_fan on Nov 28, 2010 8:21 AM CST up reply actions  

    runescape?

    4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow

    by blackoutsox on Nov 28, 2010 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

    warcraft

    Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
    by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

    by Shoeless In SC on Nov 28, 2010 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

    I agree. I'm a bourbon man, myself.

    We should ask PostTradeDeadline-Adjustments for his opinion on the matter.

    He can confirm whether they drink this stuff in Boystown.

    Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
    by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

    by Shoeless In SC on Nov 27, 2010 11:15 PM CST up reply actions  

    i also drink bourbon.

    not a big fan of jack daniels though.

    by craigws on Nov 28, 2010 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

    wild turkey or makers mark

    If is is one handed shitting. by winningugly

    by mick10 on Nov 28, 2010 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

    Makers Mark is where its at.

    "I was the nicest Hitler ever, pulling out chairs for old women and what not." -Rhubarb

    by South Side Expat on Nov 28, 2010 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

    Try Knob Creek. Better than Makers, imo, and about the same cost

    Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
    by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

    by Shoeless In SC on Nov 28, 2010 4:09 PM CST up reply actions  

    i liked makers better

    kc is bracing.

    Fireworks: Bang?

    by colintj on Nov 28, 2010 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

    Puss. :)

    Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
    by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

    by Shoeless In SC on Nov 28, 2010 5:19 PM CST up reply actions  

    Recession. It exists.

    To say goodbye to all our company? - Chiburb on Nov 23, 2010 3:13 PM CST
    fial. to mick - Chiburb on Nov 23, 2010 3:13 PM CST
    jeez. - Chiburb on Nov 23, 2010 3:14 PM CST
    fuck - Chiburb on Nov 23, 2010 3:14 PM CST

    by RWShow on Nov 28, 2010 7:22 PM CST up reply actions  

    Rocks?

    Pussy.

    To say goodbye to all our company? - Chiburb on Nov 23, 2010 3:13 PM CST
    fial. to mick - Chiburb on Nov 23, 2010 3:13 PM CST
    jeez. - Chiburb on Nov 23, 2010 3:14 PM CST
    fuck - Chiburb on Nov 23, 2010 3:14 PM CST

    by RWShow on Nov 28, 2010 1:13 AM CST up reply actions  

    I hate White Power Bill.

    "Even when he finally screws her, he’s wearing the watermelon rind as a hat."

    by Uribe Down on Nov 29, 2010 3:07 AM CST up reply actions  

    This is for you.

    TS% = Thabo Sefolosha percentage. It calculates how much you can be like Thabo Sefolosha. That’s why Keith Bogans is at 70%.

    by Ozzie Montana on Nov 28, 2010 4:24 PM CST up reply actions  

    i found my favorite couple years back

    vodka on the rocks topped with Cinzano Rosso (I guess any vermouth of that type will do). Tastes good and strong.

    Taking a walk in a donky park listening to the wind of change

    by LT_sox_fan on Nov 27, 2010 10:10 PM CST up reply actions  

    12pm (EST) tomorrow is when NFL football coverage starts?

    Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
    by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

    by Shoeless In SC on Nov 27, 2010 6:56 PM CST up reply actions  

    you lot know about guns

    what kind of gun is it that Lance Henrikson uses in the film Hard Target – it looks like a mini shotgun – I’ve never seen a gun like this before.

    by hoodlight on Nov 27, 2010 6:19 PM CST reply actions  

    what a suckass...

    If is is one handed shitting. by winningugly

    by mick10 on Nov 27, 2010 10:51 PM CST up reply actions  

    purged

    4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow

    by blackoutsox on Nov 27, 2010 10:53 PM CST up reply actions  

    whatever

    If is is one handed shitting. by winningugly

    by mick10 on Nov 27, 2010 10:54 PM CST up reply actions  

    It's alright.

    That little island couldn’t possibly be expected to take on the big bad Germans on their own. Twice.

    Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
    by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

    by Shoeless In SC on Nov 27, 2010 11:28 PM CST up reply actions  

    i didn't know that option existed. sweet

    Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
    by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

    by Shoeless In SC on Nov 27, 2010 9:43 PM CST up reply actions  

    It's all Skancho.

    EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
    Sox Machine

    by Sox Machine on Nov 27, 2010 11:18 PM CST up reply actions  

    haha probably

    and I appreciate the irony that I have 3 and 4 star reviews for two of the five.

    the only thing that is relevant is SSS.

    by e-gus on Nov 27, 2010 11:44 PM CST up reply actions  

    hollywood shuffle

    very underrated…

    Kevin Hart not well known but funny guy.

    Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

    by Tdogg on Nov 28, 2010 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

    its a classic for sure

    5 for 5 on the local suggestions though? you just dont see a lot of people of color around town here. I guess because they are all staying home watching netflix.

    the only thing that is relevant is SSS.

    by e-gus on Nov 28, 2010 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

    Paul Mooney is pretty funny.

    TS% = Thabo Sefolosha percentage. It calculates how much you can be like Thabo Sefolosha. That’s why Keith Bogans is at 70%.

    by Ozzie Montana on Nov 28, 2010 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

    Jhonny Nunez

    disappointed that he didn’t develop enough to come back in 2010. I remember watching him in the bullpen in 09 and thinking how much “easier” (if that makes sense) he is throwing fastballs than someone like Torres. Good to hear that at least for now things are looking better for him.

    Taking a walk in a donky park listening to the wind of change

    by LT_sox_fan on Nov 27, 2010 10:19 PM CST reply actions  

    In unrelated news.

    Friend of mine spotted Ozzie at BW3’s in Willowbrook today eating lunch with his wife (Ozzie’s, not my friend’s)

    FOG is really slumming it these days.

    Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death

    by Hazymania on Nov 28, 2010 12:16 AM CST reply actions  

    did you know that if you dont tip anything there's nothing they can do about it?

    4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow

    by blackoutsox on Nov 28, 2010 2:04 AM CST up reply actions  

    (I tip though)

    4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow

    by blackoutsox on Nov 28, 2010 2:05 AM CST up reply actions  

    They can remember. And they will.

    Woe to the person who doesn’t tip if they decide to ever come back.

    "I was the nicest Hitler ever, pulling out chairs for old women and what not." -Rhubarb

    by South Side Expat on Nov 28, 2010 6:29 AM CST up reply actions  

    "You know, we should probably feel guilty, but she broke the cardinal rule.

    Don’t fuck with people that handle your food."

    Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death

    by Hazymania on Nov 28, 2010 9:43 AM CST up reply actions  

    It is stereotypical, but with good reason.

    The archetypes that the movie uses seem to consistently exist in just about every restaurant I’ve seen/worked in.

    Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death

    by Hazymania on Nov 28, 2010 10:01 AM CST up reply actions  

    They existed, at least in part, in the ones I've worked in, too.

    I was able to relate to it quite well.

    Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
    by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

    by Shoeless In SC on Nov 28, 2010 10:11 AM CST up reply actions  

    dont tell hazy that.

    he’ll whack you!

    Kenwo4life=ratings

    by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 28, 2010 8:51 AM CST up reply actions  

    *grumble*

    Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death

    by Hazymania on Nov 28, 2010 9:42 AM CST up reply actions  

    I once actually forgot to leave a tip at a shitty diner outside of Columbia, SC

    when we realized what we did, we turned around and drove back.

    You don’t want small town people mad at you, either. When you go somewhere, you have to drive back through the same places.

    by TasteeFreeze on Nov 28, 2010 10:31 AM CST up reply actions  

    What diner was this?

    Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
    by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

    by Shoeless In SC on Nov 28, 2010 10:45 AM CST up reply actions  

    A little greasy spoon in Chapin - it's gone, now.

    When I say shitty, i just mean that it was a hole in the wall. Good food, just basically, a trailer.

    by TasteeFreeze on Nov 28, 2010 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

    Waiters on your side of the pond make a flat wage.

    Our wage here is often below the national minimum and the burden of the difference is left to the consumer.

    Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death

    by Hazymania on Nov 28, 2010 6:14 PM CST up reply actions  

    Well, then it becomes like any other job.

    Your manager should be paying attention to your performance and review complaints against you.

    "I was the nicest Hitler ever, pulling out chairs for old women and what not." -Rhubarb

    by South Side Expat on Nov 28, 2010 7:17 PM CST up reply actions  

    If they like the food they will.

    With that being said, I think a tip based system would still exist. It would just be a reward for outstanding service.

    Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death

    by Hazymania on Nov 28, 2010 8:43 PM CST up reply actions  

    it does.

    doesn’t have to be outstanding service. just good.
    outstanding service will get a bigger tip, as usual.

    by craigws on Nov 28, 2010 9:23 PM CST up reply actions  

    Not here

    A large part of the population is largely ignorant when it comes to tipping. 7 dollars on a 70 dollar check isn’t going to cut it I’m afraid.

    If you’re going to go out and run up a bill that high, either be prepared to tip accordingly, or go to Kenny’s Ribs and Chicken.

    Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death

    by Hazymania on Nov 28, 2010 11:24 PM CST up reply actions  

    This.

    It amazed me the tipping etiquette some folks in Central IL had, just through sheer ignorance. Then I learned better, and figured out the ones who wouldn’t tip, but wouldn’t be able to add a bill properly. It worked out in the end.

    "I was the nicest Hitler ever, pulling out chairs for old women and what not." -Rhubarb

    by South Side Expat on Nov 29, 2010 12:49 AM CST up reply actions  

    The issue I have with this is, if customers KNOW that part of their bill is accounting for the tip

    Say… 15% (which is the lowest standard of tip I will give) then these customers don’t usually tip more. Even for excellent service, to which they will say (oh, they worked for that tip that I already gave ’em)

    I worked at a country club for two years where every check was an auto-15% added gratuity. The other servers and I almost never got an additional tip. Maybe $4-5 a week.

    Most waiters where I’ve managed and worked make about $12-20/hr. The issue is their shifts are short, maybe 3-4 hours. You often can’t be just a waiter. You have to work multiple jobs.

    Now, the reason why waiters are able to work that job and support themselves is because of the tips. If they were all making $7.50/hr they’d be taking a huge paycut.

    Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
    by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

    by Shoeless In SC on Nov 29, 2010 7:46 AM CST up reply actions  

    In San Diego the servers my wife and I spoke to at the Hard Rock Cafe made something like 11.50 hourly plus tips

    on account of the cost of living being so high there.

    Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death

    by Hazymania on Nov 29, 2010 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

    Yes, but you don't get paid $3.90/hour at your regular job.

    "I was the nicest Hitler ever, pulling out chairs for old women and what not." -Rhubarb

    by South Side Expat on Nov 28, 2010 9:47 PM CST up reply actions  

    ahhhh, I just looked closer at what you replied to, I wasn't responding to what I thought I was.

    "I was the nicest Hitler ever, pulling out chairs for old women and what not." -Rhubarb

    by South Side Expat on Nov 28, 2010 9:48 PM CST up reply actions  

    The shitty thing is that if we did away with the alternative minimum wage for tip based service

    the wages would (for most places) drop down to minimum or just above minimum wage. Right now, someone can actually make a pretty decent living waiting tables in the city if they are working anywhere other than the crappiest of places. Eliminating the tip/wage minimum system would really screw with the whole thing. Profit margins at most places are razor thin to start with… having them have to pay full minimum for all their employees would kill SO many restaurants.

    "I was the nicest Hitler ever, pulling out chairs for old women and what not." -Rhubarb

    by South Side Expat on Nov 28, 2010 10:52 PM CST up reply actions  

    This. Making the restaurants pay waiters min wage would kill 'em.

    They’d have to increase the price of the food to compensate. Either way, the customer is paying for it.

    Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
    by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

    by Shoeless In SC on Nov 28, 2010 11:09 PM CST up reply actions  

    There is a fascinating article in the current Newsweek about the food classes in America.

    One of the notable stats is that upper class folks will spend upwards of 20% of their monthly budget on food, when the middle class spends roughly 13%. It goes into what that difference in spending tends to buy. Great article.

    Search, search.. Here it is. GREAT read.

    "I was the nicest Hitler ever, pulling out chairs for old women and what not." -Rhubarb

    by South Side Expat on Nov 29, 2010 12:55 AM CST up reply actions  

    Thx

    Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
    by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

    by Shoeless In SC on Nov 29, 2010 7:42 AM CST up reply actions  

    I don't mind paying for it.

    Raise the prices. I just don’t like the tipping process itself. The amount I’m spending isn’t the concern. (because I don’t buy very expensive meals usually, not suggesting money isn’t a factor).

    I’m fine with spending the same total amount. I’d just much rather do away with the entire tipping system.

    by Grinder in Training on Nov 29, 2010 9:15 AM CST up reply actions  

    I'm not sure I buy this argument

    I do tire of the “paying workers more will kill business” argument, as nobody ever considers the “taking too much profit strangles business” argument … strange.

    The inference is that people wouldn’t pay $25 for a $20 dollar plate if the servers were paid accordingly. When I go out to eat, it’s the $11 to $25 jump for a meal that I notice, not the $25 to $30 jump. If I go out for a steak, I’m chastised for raising my eyebrows at the price of a steak at Morton’s, for instance, but the $35, or $50, (I don’t remember) doesn’t make me leave. I’m eating out.

    If being able to play God with whether the server gets paid or not, depending on how much ass he/she kisses – is what draws people out to eat, I’m not sure it’s a system I care about defending or saving.

    If a meal costs $20 and a $5 tip in top of that, I don’t see the difference, to the customer, of paying 20, and feeling like they’re giving $5 to charity, and just paying $25 for a meal. The difference comes from our perception that if somebody works harder, has a better personality, etc, they will make more money than the surly sloth.

    I tip the surly sloth the same $5 on that $20 meal. I think I’ve stiffed 2 or 3 people in my 30 years of eating out, and that was for abusive service, not neglecting my water glass.

    by TasteeFreeze on Nov 29, 2010 10:30 AM CST up reply actions  

    Exactly. Now, waiters here make even less than that: $2.15/hr

    You say cost of living is lower here… but appliances, electronics, insurance, car payments, etc… they’re still the same.

    Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
    by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

    by Shoeless In SC on Nov 29, 2010 7:48 AM CST up reply actions  

    Then they wouldn't have a job.

    TS% = Thabo Sefolosha percentage. It calculates how much you can be like Thabo Sefolosha. That’s why Keith Bogans is at 70%.

    by Ozzie Montana on Nov 28, 2010 9:45 PM CST up reply actions  

    Possibly.

    But if you’d ever waited tables and dealt with the public and their food on a rushed, daily basis… you’d know that $7.50/hr is way too little to be paid.

    Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
    by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

    by Shoeless In SC on Nov 29, 2010 7:50 AM CST up reply actions  

    Easier said than done GiT.

    Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death

    by Hazymania on Nov 29, 2010 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

    --

    "I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"

    by onlysoxfaninbasel on Nov 29, 2010 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

    Here's part of the problem.

    The waiter is taking on the labor cost gamble from the restaurant owner. If it’s a slow night, he can take his $35 and fuck off. If it’s busy, nobody’s counting his $250 in tips he made in 5 hours of crazed work.

    One major problem with our capitalist system is that so much of it’s success is predicated on lots of people making bad choices. The upstart restaurant is successful because the owner gets waiters to take on the risk of labor costs. Businesses control their unemployment costs by cajoling and harrassing people into quitting, instead of just paying anyone who’s “unemployed” for whatever reason, like California now does.

    The stock market, banks and home mortages are stacked where the consumer has to do a shitload of research that the normal person wouldn’t do, or else they lose their money, or sit on a nominal return on their money.

    by TasteeFreeze on Nov 29, 2010 12:28 PM CST up reply actions  

    Wow.

    Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
    by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

    by Shoeless In SC on Nov 29, 2010 7:21 PM CST up reply actions  

    thats cause they are part of the food price

    4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow

    by blackoutsox on Nov 28, 2010 6:25 PM CST up reply actions  

    there are really weird grey areas in britain.

    you would not tip in a pizza joint, but would do if you got pizza in an italian restaurant.
    doesn’t seem to be the inherited understanding of when & when not to tip that yanks have.

    by craigws on Nov 30, 2010 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

    Europeans in general are really hit or miss.

    IME, most expect the gratuity to be part of the bill, and as such…

    by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 1, 2010 12:55 AM CST up reply actions  

    no waldis
    RHP Waldis Joaquin, claimed off release waivers by the White Sox from the Giants, has rejected the claim and declared free agency

    http://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/8954023457587200

    by larry on Nov 28, 2010 12:44 PM CST reply actions  

    is this common?

    after a player has been claimed?

    by hoodlight on Nov 28, 2010 12:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

    well, the player can only reject after he's been claimed.

    no, it’s not common. players usually don’t reject the claim because they aren’t likely to find a better deal (i.e., more money) elsewhere and the team claiming you obviously wants you.

    by larry on Nov 28, 2010 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

    fuck waldis joaquin.

    i am a bark for buffeting. i am a hound for thornypaws. i am a doe for swiftness. i am a tree for wind-siege. i am a windmill. i am a hole in a wall.

    by BuehrleMan on Nov 28, 2010 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

    well said

    If is is one handed shitting. by winningugly

    by mick10 on Nov 28, 2010 2:01 PM CST up reply actions  

    Seriously. Fuck this douchewagon

    Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
    by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

    by Shoeless In SC on Nov 28, 2010 4:16 PM CST up reply actions  

    yah seriously... what a cocksucker

    he should be happy someone wanted his bum ass.

    Kenwo4life=ratings

    by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 28, 2010 7:03 PM CST up reply actions  

    This cracked me up today at the grocery store

    now I read it is for charity, so at least it’s for a good cause, but I saw about 20 cases of the stuff and had to crack up, especially the label.

    http://www.cheapwinefinder.com/2010/07/2009-coopernet-cabernet-sauvignon-14/

    "Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

    by BobbySouthSide on Nov 28, 2010 1:13 PM CST reply actions  

    That's pretty funny. I also never like to read that my wine is "chewy"

    Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
    by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

    by Shoeless In SC on Nov 28, 2010 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

    when is cheat going to give up the reins!?

    Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''

    by OznCoop on Nov 28, 2010 2:05 PM CST reply actions  

    why do you have such a boner for this?

    When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

    by U-God on Nov 28, 2010 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

    i think of it more as an

    Agent Van Alden thing.

    Fireworks: Bang?

    by colintj on Nov 28, 2010 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

    I can imagine a back covered with lashings.

    TS% = Thabo Sefolosha percentage. It calculates how much you can be like Thabo Sefolosha. That’s why Keith Bogans is at 70%.

    by Ozzie Montana on Nov 28, 2010 9:01 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

    Good one.

    "I was the nicest Hitler ever, pulling out chairs for old women and what not." -Rhubarb

    by South Side Expat on Nov 28, 2010 9:31 PM CST up reply actions  

    holy crap why cant anyone play good against the bears

    4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow

    by blackoutsox on Nov 28, 2010 6:34 PM CST reply actions  

    because they're a good team?

    When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

    by U-God on Nov 28, 2010 7:17 PM CST up reply actions  

    ding ding

    Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

    by Tdogg on Nov 29, 2010 9:14 AM CST up reply actions  

    or maybe everyone decides to underperform against them

    4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow

    by blackoutsox on Nov 29, 2010 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

    that certainly makes more sense

    When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

    by U-God on Nov 29, 2010 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

    Bahahahahaha!

    I love Hotlanta.

    To say goodbye to all our company? - Chiburb on Nov 23, 2010 3:13 PM CST
    fial. to mick - Chiburb on Nov 23, 2010 3:13 PM CST
    jeez. - Chiburb on Nov 23, 2010 3:14 PM CST
    fuck - Chiburb on Nov 23, 2010 3:14 PM CST

    by RWShow on Nov 28, 2010 7:23 PM CST up reply actions  

    This whole season is lame. Someone needs to paralyze Vick and Roethlisberger so I don't have to hear about their stupid fucking personal lives.

    TS% = Thabo Sefolosha percentage. It calculates how much you can be like Thabo Sefolosha. That’s why Keith Bogans is at 70%.

    by Ozzie Montana on Nov 28, 2010 9:03 PM CST up reply actions  

    to continue from a past thread

    we are trying to come up with 5 african american 3rd basemen…. that played third the majority of their games…. ex… not chone figgins who has played more games at other positions (when you combine them) than 3rd base.

    We have 4. Charlie Hayes, Terry Pendleton, Bill Madlock and Chris Brown.

    I have ruled out Tony Phillips, Gary Sheffield, Bobby Bonilla and Figgins.

    Remember they have to be african american so melvin mora and adrian beltre do not count.

    Kenwo4life=ratings

    by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 28, 2010 7:19 PM CST reply actions  

    Jerry Royster

    And that’s hard

    "Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

    by BobbySouthSide on Nov 28, 2010 7:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

    he falls into the phillips, sheff, bonilla, figgins category.

    634 games at 3rd…
    416 at 2nd
    187 at SS
    153 in the OF

    thats 756 in other positions and 634 at 3rd.

    good try though. good name.

    Kenwo4life=ratings

    by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 28, 2010 9:01 PM CST up reply actions  

    Willie Greene

    400 games at third, 218 at other positions.

    EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
    Sox Machine

    by Sox Machine on Nov 28, 2010 9:46 PM CST up reply actions  

    Enos Cabell

    860 starts at third, 643 elsewhere.

    EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
    Sox Machine

    by Sox Machine on Nov 28, 2010 9:54 PM CST up reply actions  

    Hank Thompson

    Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
    by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

    by Shoeless In SC on Nov 28, 2010 11:42 PM CST up reply actions  

    what is the point of this?

    Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

    by Tdogg on Nov 29, 2010 9:15 AM CST up reply actions  

    i don't know... nothing really....

    I just find it kind of interesting. its strange don’t you think?

    Kenwo4life=ratings

    by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 29, 2010 11:13 PM CST up reply actions  

    I cant believe Leslie Nielson fell out of Soldiers Field.

    seriously though RIP to the Naked Gun

    the only thing that is relevant is SSS.

    by e-gus on Nov 28, 2010 9:25 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

    sad indeed

    Taking a walk in a donky park listening to the wind of change

    by LT_sox_fan on Nov 28, 2010 9:35 PM CST up reply actions  

    I just want to say good luck, we're all counting on you.

    Naked Gun still holds up great after all these years.

    TS% = Thabo Sefolosha percentage. It calculates how much you can be like Thabo Sefolosha. That’s why Keith Bogans is at 70%.

    by Ozzie Montana on Nov 28, 2010 9:36 PM CST up reply actions  

    any bets on who completes the Airplane trifecta?

    "I was the nicest Hitler ever, pulling out chairs for old women and what not." -Rhubarb

    by South Side Expat on Nov 28, 2010 9:51 PM CST up reply actions  

    Jamie Kennedy.

    EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
    Sox Machine

    by Sox Machine on Nov 28, 2010 9:55 PM CST up reply actions  

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