If I Ruled The World: Or U-God's Slightly Realistic 2011 Plan
by U-God on Nov 8, 2010 7:00 AM CST
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Keeping the spirit of the offseason, I've spent the past couple days doing my best to come up with a realistic set of goals. I kind of failed. It wasn't as easy as it was last year, mostly due to the free agency of Paul Konerko and A.J. Pierzynski and the still glaring need at DH. Things become even further complicated by the heavier contracts that kicked in this season (Peavy-$16 mil, Rios-$12). With these challenges in place, it took a little creativity to come up with a solid plan. My brainchild turned out to give the White Sox their highest payroll to date other than 2008. I'm also not too upset with this due to one main fact: the Twins and Tigers now both have the resources to outspend us. Time to empty the coffers if we want back into the playoffs. Follow me after the jump for the full plan.
Player(s) non-tendered:
Bobby Jenks- When your closer starts to cost more than $7 million, it's time to say goodbye. Arbitration could put him up around $9 mil this winter, and that is money the team could better spend on the rest of the bullpen. Sorry Bobby. We'll always have Houston.
Player(s) traded:
Mark Teahen for any D-level prospect in existence- This is purely a salary dump, and as such we will not get anything of value in return. There will be at least one team in need of a utility man. Hopefully their GM will have more faith in Mark than we do.
Carlos Quentin to LAA for Mike Napoli- This one isn't entirely unrealistic. The Angels will most likely be actively shopping Napoli this winter. Mike Scioscia has clearly shown a preference for Jeff Mathis for some reason. Add in that Kendry Morales is returning from his leg injury and uber-prospect Hank Conger is just about ready for primetime and the Angels have an increasingly expensive trade chit that they're running out of places for. And that's where Carlos comes in. With an aging outfield trio of Torii Hunter, Bobby Abreu, and Juan Rivera and no DH left on the roster, Quentin fits in nicely. They could keep Abreu, Quentin, and Rivera healthy by rotating the three between the corners and DH. And with this move, my Quentin 20 shirt becomes obsolete. Napoli will make around $4.5-5 million in arbitration. He also brings in 25+ homerun potential from behind the plate with a .346 career OBP. He is what Tyler Flowers could ultimately become.
Arbitration:
Offer it to everyone not named Manny Ramirez. Ideal world: Putz accepts, the others decline. If Putz declines, try snagging him on a 2 year/$8 million deal. If he declines that, move on. Plenty of other fish in the bullpen sea.
John Danks- Try like hell to extend him. Offer the Jon Lester deal. If he says no (which I expect), he'll make around $5.5 mil next season.
Tony Pena- Better the devil you know, right? He becomes the lowman on the staff with Scott Linebrink and should be happy with a bump up to $1.3-1.4 mil.
Free Agents:
Adam LaRoche- Our old friend Brandon Allen made this move possible by making Adam expendable. If you're willing to tolerate his annual slow start, LaRoche offers cheap left-handed power at first. He hasn't had an ISO below .200 since 2007, and a move to the Cell could get him back over 30 homeruns. He's not quite ideal, but thanks to the glut of first basemen on the market this winter he could be had for a 2/$12 deal if the Sox time things right. I'm saying $5 mil this year, $7 mil next.
Austin Kearns- How do you replace Carlos Quentin in right? With a player who started last season on a minor league contract. He gets on base at a good clip (.353 career) and plays a good rightfield. An outfield of Kearns, Pierre, and Rios is a very solid outfield defensively. He made $1 million last year and is being removed from the Yankees due to lack of need. Swoop in and grab him cheap. I honestly believe $2-3 million gets this done easily. He'll need some regular rest, which brings up the next player. He won't be worth anymore than 2 WAR, but he'll be cheap and fill a need.
Andruw Jones- Bring him back as the fourth outfielder. By now Andruw has to have accepted that he can't be a full-time starter anywhere. Offer him $1-1.5 million to pretty much play the same role he played last season.
Adam Dunn- Please get this done. 60+ XBH with an OBP around .380? And from the left side of the plate? Do it. Do it now. I don't care that he strikes out a shit ton. You sell him on the DH/1B angle and the fact that if he comes to Chicago he'll belt 40 homers again. The downside is he is a Type A free agent. Paul Konerko and A.J. Pierzynski signing elsewhere will take care of that. 3/$35, structured 10/12.5/12.5. I'd be willing to throw an option in at the end of that as well.
The bullpen- I have two relief pitchers in mind: Will Ohman and Justin Duchscherer. Ohman adds another power lefty to the bullpen. This allows Matt Thornton to be used in higher leverage situations. Give him 2/$4, split 1.6/2.4. Duchscherer is my Jake Peavy insurance. Duke has pitched well out of the bullpen and as a starter. He also has an injury history, which makes him cheaper. You combine that with Cooper and Hermie, and things end well. 1/$2 with some incentives.
New roster:
Lineup: LF-Juan Pierre, SS-Alexei Ramirez, 1B-Adam LaRoche, CF-Alex Rios, DH-Adam Dunn, C-Mike Napoli, 2B-Gordon Beckham, RF-Austin Kearns, 3B-Brent Morel. Bench: C-Ramon Castro, IF-Omar Vizquel, UTIL-Brent Lillibridge, OF-Andruw Jones.
You know Ozzie will insist on batting Juan Pierre first. This lineup allows Morel room to grow without pressure. Beckham gets to have a nice bounceback season with those OBP monsters in front of him in the lineup. The lefties are of course spread out to stop LOOGY abuse.
Rotation: Jake Peavy-RHP, Mark Buehrle-LHP, Gavin Floyd-RHP, John Danks-LHP, Edwin Jackson-RHP.
That is a sexy rotation. There's 20+ WAR in those five arms. If the front two stay healthy and the back three continue to improve, I can't think of a better staff in the league (until the Yankees get Cliff Lee).
Bullpen: Justin Duchscherer-LRP/SU, Scott Linebrink-MRP, Tony Pena-LRP, Will Ohman-LOOGY, J.J. Putz-SU, Matt Thornton-SU, Sergio Santos-CL.
I'm making Santos the closer to allow Easy Heat to work as the true relief ace. Sergio proved he can handle big league hitters and looks to only get better with that year of experience. He has closer stuff and is one of the three power arms that Kenny and Ozzie love so much.
Closing notes:
Using my sweet legal pad full of names and salaries, I have this team coming out to a payroll of $113.05 million (this includes the money owed to Dayan Viciedo). It's a bump from last year's figures, but a necessary one. All in all, not wholly unrealistic. Here's hoping.
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Worth the wait.
Nicely done, nicely done.
"I have discovered in 20 years of moving around a ballpark, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. "
Bill Veeck
by Chiburb on Nov 8, 2010 7:13 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Supposed to be a "kid" after the first "done".
Effin oldsters.
"I have discovered in 20 years of moving around a ballpark, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. "
Bill Veeck
by Chiburb on Nov 8, 2010 7:14 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Decent job.
Not sure about the Q-for-Napoli deal, in that I don’t see a gain for the Angels – I’d rather have Napoli’s numbers as backup C/DH than Q’s numbers as backup OF/DH. Napoli is more durable, too.
Otherwise, decent job, PF.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
That lineup is still pretty darn sexy.
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
Damned with faint praise.
"I have discovered in 20 years of moving around a ballpark, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. "
Bill Veeck
by Chiburb on Nov 8, 2010 7:36 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I like it...it's pooty goo.
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
Rosterbation at its finest.
"I have discovered in 20 years of moving around a ballpark, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. "
Bill Veeck
by Chiburb on Nov 8, 2010 7:35 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
something something something Christine O'Donnell
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
Ya can't miss
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 8, 2010 7:40 AM CST up reply actions
This pic is so large and disturbing, I kinda regret posting it. But it's U-God's thread. No biggie.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 8, 2010 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
Inspired, U-God. I like it.
I especially like the Napoli acquisition. Finally, some massive pop and OBP from behind the plate. And the bullpen arms I dig as well. Kearns is a good stopgap as well.
What are the chances they keep Konerko, get Dunn, and trade an expensive starter (Buehrle, Jackson, Peavy) , putting Sale/Garcia in the rotation?
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
Jackson would get the best return
and Sale won’t be in the rotation this season, so pretty low.
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
I figured the idea wasn't to get the most in return, but take off enough salary to afford to keep Konerko and Dunn.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 8, 2010 9:23 AM CST up reply actions
Good plan
Although I’m not sure the Angels would accept that trade. They’ve been swimming in OF’s the past few years. Although that hasn’t stopped them from acquiring more OF’s yet.
he'll be a nice consolation prize when they miss out on crawford.
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
but wouldn't they see that Q hasn't produced shit in the last couple years
and there is a likelihood that his defensive shittyness will equate his offensive output. i’m just saying that napoli is probably worth more than what we can tender him for..
otherwise, i really like your plan, i wish hahn was our gm
"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Nov 8, 2010 9:50 AM CST up reply actions
it is the least realistic part of my plan
and there would most likely need to be a minor leaguer involved. it’s basically just an attempt to take advantage of a good situation, seeing as they’re running out of places to use him.
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
Well I'm glad you answered someone who questioned that trade.
First is not best, it seems.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
Q has produced at the plate
Not like he did in 2008, but he wasn’t completely useless last year.
If you need a guy to DH the majority of the time, and play occasionally in RF, while providing power from the right side, Q seems to fit the bill for what he’ll get paid. Just depends on the prospect you have to throw in.
by Grinder in Training on Nov 8, 2010 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
You are correct, the Angels would not accept that trade.
And I guess U-God is not familiar with Peter Bourjos who is the Angels’ speedy full time center fielder. Torii is in right field and Rivera in left. The Angels want to get their outfield as youthful as possible so they will do whatever it takes to land Carl Crawford you can count on that. Torii and Abreu will takes turns DH’ing and playing RF. They will trade Rivera or use him off the bench and as first base depth behind Kendry Morales.
The Angels also have that hole at third base and need a reliable lead off hitter. I think they might entertain trading Napoli for Gordan Beckham and a pitching prospect.
Peter Bourjos is faster than anyone on your team.
Now who's making unrealistic trade proposals?
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
LOL, well you know I would like to get the most I can for my favorite player Mike Napoli.
I admit I am shitty at valuing players. But I always liked Beckham and he would fill a huge need for the Angels. I was trying to think a little outside the box. What would it take to pry Beckham away from the South Side realistically, or is it so out of the question one need not bother inquiring? I remember a White Sox/ Angels game, I think it was in 2009, where the game opened with Beckham leading off and he hit a homerun on the first pitch. I thought WOW that guy is a great lead off hitter and he has always stuck in my mind. I know he must be a fan favorite in Chicago.
Peter Bourjos is faster than anyone on your team.
Pretty much any trade involving Beckham
isn’t also going to involve the Sox sending a prospect unless it’s for an established 6 WAR type player. Beckham is still under team control for a long ass time and is a good hitter at a weak position. And while Beckham has never hit a leadoff homerun, both times he has gone yard in the first inning came off of an Angels" pitcher (both were 1-0 counts though).
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
Thank you for your feed back regarding Beckham.
This is what got my interest in this going in the first place, an MLB Trade Rumor:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/11/potential-suitors-for-gordon-beckham.html
Peter Bourjos is faster than anyone on your team.
oh
a complete garbage piece put together by a man who gets paid by page visits. fair enough.
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
Well maybe so, but did you see the comments that followed it??? Quality stuff!
I will now set fire to things.
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by RWShow on Nov 11, 2010 9:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
"isn’t also going to involve the Sox sending a prospect unless it’s for an established 6 WAR type player
this is kenny we’re talking about, are you sure about that?
"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Nov 12, 2010 2:37 AM CST up reply actions
A lot more factors go into that.
It wouldn’t have to be a 6 WAR player if the contracts were about equal. Meaning, I could see him taking a 3-4 WAR type player if he’s under team control.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 12, 2010 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
that's a possibility
Get KC on the horn and have them send the Sox Greinke at no additional cost to the Sox and that may be a starting point in the Napoli for Beckham and a prospect deal.
I would entertain that too if I were a Angels manager
4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow
But would you listen?
"I was the nicest Hitler ever, pulling out chairs for old women and what not." -Rhubarb
by South Side Expat on Nov 11, 2010 6:43 PM CST up reply actions
haHAHAHAHAhahaha
aw man good one.
"Quentin was unbelievable in right field for the Chicago White Sox." -Carl Ravech, Best of Baseball Tonight Web Gem Awards
i think the point was mostly to pick out a player that might reasonably
be acquired via trade
Fireworks: Bang?
I'd never heard of Peter Bourjos before.
He’s got a career ~3:1 K:BB ratio. And he’s their full-time CF next season?
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 11, 2010 9:39 PM CST up reply actions
If you can find a club to take Teahen the Sox should hire you, and buy you a stable of heffers for your guilty pleasures
"Quentin was unbelievable in right field for the Chicago White Sox." -Carl Ravech, Best of Baseball Tonight Web Gem Awards
lol
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 8, 2010 9:23 AM CST up reply actions
i can think of multiple NL teams the seem to love crappy white utility guys
which is the definition of mark teahen in the dictionary
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
I can think of one AL team too.
Unfortunately, he’s already on their roster.
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 8, 2010 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
I really don't think it'd be that hard to move Teahen
As long as you don’t mind getting nothing in return. Maybe you add a couple million to make it work, but I’m sure someone can use him.
New team, injured, moved around quite a bit, still had an OPS over .700, hits from the left side, he’s not completely useless as a utility guy. So he’s probably overpaid a couple million for a utility guy, he won’t be the reason we don’t win a world series. And I realize that isn’t much of a compliment, I just find it hard to get too worked up over the guy, compared to numerous other mistakes this team has made.
by Grinder in Training on Nov 8, 2010 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
Not to be a contrarian...
I don’t understand why we want to move Teahan. No, he’s not a threat to win the triple crown this year, but he’s not a bad option as a super-utility guy, and at 3mil, he’s not crazy expensive. Yes, they could go cheaper, but instead of just giving guys away, they have their 3b/OF utility role nailed down.
by TasteeFreeze on Nov 8, 2010 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah. If Teahen were worth what he's being paid for (about 1-1.2 WAR) I'd be okay with it
But I think there’s no way in Hell Teahen is worth 1-1.2 WAR playing a corner OF spot, and certainly not at 2B or 3B.
He and/or Linebrink need to be dumped for this plan to work.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 8, 2010 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
even if he broke even it would be almost ok
he is a liability everywhere on the field.
"Quentin was unbelievable in right field for the Chicago White Sox." -Carl Ravech, Best of Baseball Tonight Web Gem Awards
i'm guessing dunn gets way more than that
but you never know i guess.
He made 12 last year, what's the figure on the type of contract he gets this year?
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 8, 2010 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
especially with the market seemingly trending towards defense
while he is probably the top 1B/DH on the market, there are a lot hitting the free agent trail at the same time.
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
So you think a similar contract?
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 8, 2010 9:59 AM CST up reply actions
There are at least as many holes to fill as there are good free agents
Whoever pays Dunn the most gets him. The market price is going to be higher for free agent position players than it was last year.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 8, 2010 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
Really nice work, U.
I love the idea of the Q for Napoli trade, but like other am not sure the Angels’d bite. Crazier things though. That is a damn sexy lineup.
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 8, 2010 9:54 AM CST reply actions
Also: While I agree that you don't want Manny back
what are the chances he’d even take arbitration from us? I am just asking because I’m curious.
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 8, 2010 9:55 AM CST reply actions
it's just not worth the risk
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
Nice work...
but you really think A.J. will decline arbitration?
Chicago White Sox Examiner — Big hat, no cattle
i do
call it a hunch, but i just feel he turns it down.
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
the hunch, he already knows he's not welcome back to the party
although the ‘punk’ in AJ would just take arbitration just to fucking spite the bloggers on SSS
…sure type A might slow interest from other teams, but catching is thin in this league, and i think he can find a better deal
"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Nov 8, 2010 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
There aren't a ton of options at catcher
And Olivo is already gone.
by Grinder in Training on Nov 8, 2010 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
Olivo's going to be a free agent, though.
Anthopolous made a great move picking up a draft pick for essentially $500K.
The catching market isn’t great, but Pierzynski is coming off the worst offensive season of his career and is 34. Any team that gives Pierzynski a raise off his 2010 salary would be pretty stupid.
Chicago White Sox Examiner — Big hat, no cattle
by UribeAuction on Nov 8, 2010 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
I was thinking he would turn it down
To get more years on a deal, not necessarily more per year.
by Grinder in Training on Nov 8, 2010 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
the only catcher i would confidently rank above him on the market
is martinez. there’s gonna be a GM dumb enough to overpay for AJ
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
I'd put Buck and Olivo over AJ.
Probably Torrealba, too. AJ’s fifth in my mind in the market.
Chicago White Sox Examiner — Big hat, no cattle
by UribeAuction on Nov 8, 2010 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
A brief glance at their B-R pages tells me I'd rather have AJ
Durability being the biggest factor.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 8, 2010 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
This, also.
Tough day for the DB man – I’ve agreed twice with your assertions.
CRAZY TRAIN!!!
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
i think you can make a case for either
Hernandez has been the better hitter and fielder
Fireworks: Bang?
So that leaves...intangibles?
Check. AJ FTW.
EAT IT, COLIN!
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
Is V-Mart still thought of primarliy as a catcher?
Konerko could carry AJ and steal against him.
by TasteeFreeze on Nov 8, 2010 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
Pierzynski seems to like it there
The White Sox could still use him, too. If they can’t work out a favorable 2-year deal-say, 2 years and 6-8 mil- I would offer arb but only then. It just isn’t a given that he’ll decline it, indeed it’s a very risky proposition if the plan is to say goodbye.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 8, 2010 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
Anyone see Jhonny Peralta's re-up with DET?
2 years, $11.5MM. thinking PK will sign for 2 years is a pipe dream. And AJ’s price is higher than $4-5MM for 2 years, I believe. Looks like the economy (Detroit!?!) is improving as evidenced by JP’s contract.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
duly noted
"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Nov 8, 2010 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
Detroit has a history of spending money, that they gave Peralta that didn't surprise me.
It also doesn’t strike me as a wild deal, I feel it’s pretty reasonable.
This is a team that gave an obviously declining Dontrelle $30 mill (ish) before he’d ever even thrown an AL pitch. The economy as a whole still sucks. Baseball’s economy, however, is great.
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 8, 2010 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
When you're a billionaire and in your 80's
I think you can take a loss on one of your toys.
by Grinder in Training on Nov 8, 2010 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
While this is nice and all, and inspiring...
I could also see something like a status-quo resigning of Konerko, and a Castro/Flowers experiment at C, Quentin DH-ing, and Andruw/some signed Lefty (Or Mark Teahen) playing RF.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
Nobody lives forever Jerry.
4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow
It's not like he has never won a WS though
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 8, 2010 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
No Sale?
Did I miss Chris Sale? Surely he’s in the pen or rotation pending Peavy’s recovery.
by castillo de carlos on Nov 8, 2010 12:14 PM CST reply actions
Isn't that plan A, and what will happen if all things go according to plan?
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 8, 2010 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
i am enjoying the fact that people think sale is ready for the major league rotation
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
You mean he's not ready to be effective, or he's not ready to be stretched out a full 30 or so games?
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 8, 2010 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think he'd be worse than Tony Pena
As a spot 5th starter/fill-in for Peavy. That’s all I’d use him for.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 8, 2010 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed. But I don't think KW will leave him alone if there's a need.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 8, 2010 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
that's why i signed duchscherer
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
Ah, right.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 8, 2010 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
Im not
its horrifying
4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow
“I would have to hear the reasons to start this guy for a month,” said Cooper of Sale. "I don’t think a kid like this needs to be bounced around. I like him in the bullpen for the 2011 season.
“In my mind, Sale and [Matt] Thornton are two really good lefties I would like to have in the bullpen. I do seem him as a starter long range. I’m just not so sure that range is in April.”
Inevitably, good young pitchers that have been starters are used in high leverage situations
when being used in relief. This especially applies to pitchers with power stuff, like Sale or Neftali Feliz. It just makes it harder to make them starters long-term.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 8, 2010 5:49 PM CST up reply actions
Yes that's true.
I just quickly went off the top of my head. Looking at his point I guess I should ask is he saying that because they are very effective or was he implying being used in such a role makes it difficult for them to become starters long term. I haven’t read anything on the latter to believe that.
"Freaky like my lady pyramid!"
I don't understand any of this crap either.
Why shouldn’t a kid who’s been a starter in HS and NCAA be able to pitch some relief innings towards the end of one year, and go back to starting the next? With competent instruction/trainers I don’t see how it would be an issue
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 9, 2010 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
i think he means the former.
and, as i’ve already written, he’s right, particularly i think with KW.
A little of both.
It’s tricky when you have a situation like with Neftali Feliz because you are making the team worse now by trying to make him a starter again. Send him to the minors and he isn’t helping you now, he has never thrown 130 official innings in a season and you have to stretch him. Having a competitive team like the Rangers, Washington would have a tough time keeping him in the bullpen for low-leverage inning-eating situations. Same goes for Sale. It will be interesting to see how Phil Hughes responds after jumping about 90 innings higher this season. There are some iffy handlings of it out there, like Andrew Miller, Jenrry Mejia, Joba Chamberlain. There are many examples of it working out well, but Sale probably needs more of an innings base before being brought back up. I just have a conservative philosophy with pitchers, Sale will probably be toast by the end of the season learning how to be a starter in the Majors. I don’t see the point.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 9, 2010 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
The top of your head is pointed,
and plenty dark.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
this is a lot more plausible than i thought on first glance
my biggest issue is Dunn, who’s only worth the money if you can make him DH. he is epic suck in the field. also, i don’t think Kearns is that much different than De Aza. he looked ready to fall off the face of the earth until this revival season. honestly, i think you set the payroll too low. if KW follows salary inflation, we’re looking at $120MM in payroll for 86ish wins. your team is $113 for more or less the same talent. use the extra 7-10 to sign a real RF.
Fireworks: Bang?
i just didn't want to go overboard
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
question
why is the payroll written as $120MM instead of $120M or $120KK, or why is the minimum salary written as ~$500K instead of $500M.
i'm not consistent with it
and i forget where i picked it up exactly. per google, it’s apparently a standard in finance reports, so i’m assuming i picked it up from some blog. checking my g-reader, it looks like Tango uses it. there are a few blogs that have used it in posts specifically relating to financial reports, but outside that i can’t find much. cots contracts uses a single M. looks like it’s more or less extraneous and i’m not sure what explains Tango’s use, since i don’t think he’s in the finance industry.
Fireworks: Bang?
M is a thousand in roman numerals. I know a lot of Canadians use M for a thousand and MM for million
Tango has Canadian ties
i’m not sure if he is actually Canadian. he mentions Montreal a lot, anyway. and according to google, MM is 2000 in roman numerals.
Fireworks: Bang?
You UM grads
are fucking brilliant.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
also aren't a grad
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
unrelated to all this
but very excited to see your plan, if you have the chance to type it
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
Sure.
Because of your combined fucking brilliance. Like a fucking Supernova.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
by winningugly on Nov 8, 2010 6:57 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
I normally don't like to encourage you
but this made the woman come from the other room to ask me what happened.
i haven't given it much thought.
i assumed there wasn’t anything i could come up with that would be plausible, but obviously it can be done. i think it would revolve around trading one of the pitchers. i’ll give it some thought.
Fireworks: Bang?
LOL.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
M is the abbreviation for the latin word for thousand.
MM is a thousand thousands, it has nothing to do with roman numerals.
but the way I worded my question should tell you I wasn’t asking what MM means.
MarketMaker?
".... and in closing, lick. my. balls." - U God
by DrEmilioLizardo on Nov 8, 2010 5:07 PM CST up reply actions
nah, MM is two thousand, as colin stated above.
the bbc always dates their programmes with roman numerals.
a million in roman numerals would be a thousand Ms methinks. i seem to recall something to do with putting a line above the letter to denote a larger number, but i don’t rightly remember.
heh
no doubt MM is 2000 in roman numerals. I was saying denoting a million with MM as in $100MM has nothing to do with roman numerals.
ahem... The line above the initial letter does not display here, but:
V or (V) five thousand
X or (X) ten thousand
L or (L) fifty thousand
C or © one hundred thousand
D or (D) five hundred thousand
M or (M) one million
".... and in closing, lick. my. balls." - U God
by DrEmilioLizardo on Nov 8, 2010 5:12 PM CST up reply actions
Kearns not different than DeAza?
Disagree.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
My OF is plenty brown.
TS% = Thabo Sefolosha percentage. It calculates how much you can be like Thabo Sefolosha. That’s why Keith Bogans is at 70%.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 8, 2010 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
i made that claim thinking that Kearns is probably 10 runs/600PA better than De Aza
at the plate and 5 runs worse in the field. i think that’s defensible. de Aza has MLB speed, but his bat has made him replacement level. he’s 27 next year while Kearns is 31 with a real strikeout problem, declining power and speed. his projected wOBA before the season per Marcels and CHONE (iirc, the projections disappeared from fangraphs in the few hours since i posted) was ~.315 and only a 40 point bump over his career BABIP kept that from being pretty close.
Fireworks: Bang?
There's hope that Kearns' shoulder is coming back after being turned into pudding
De Aza, while cheap and useful, offers little varety at his best than, say, Juan Pierre. He’s probably best as depth in AAA. Kearns is fairly similar to Andruw Jones now, a good 4th outfielder.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 8, 2010 4:10 PM CST up reply actions
This.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
You noted the negatives Kearns brings...
I think he’s a good 4th outfielder, not starting quality. Jones is probably going to be better or comparable next year. I guess that jives with what you said. I don’t see the point in having both.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 8, 2010 5:56 PM CST up reply actions
just letting you know why someone would construct a roster to include him over viciedo.
not to mention the fact that viciedo needs to be playing regularly, not sitting on a bench. you know. since there isn’t any of this rotation crap.
this
i’d rather see dayan get another year in the minors because there aren’t regular at bats for him on the team i created. lillibridge is a capable utility man making the major league minimum.
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
Dayan plays two positions
And neither particularly spectatular
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 8, 2010 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
i thought his defense at DH was at least league average.
by larry on Nov 8, 2010 12:30 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
How dare you insult the veteran that is Kotsay.
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 8, 2010 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/kotsama01.shtml
by Gentleman Jim on Nov 9, 2010 7:43 PM CST up reply actions
I think the best part is that 'Jim Thome' wrote it
“Highly underrated, Mark Kotsay became the best defensive designated hitter in American League history in 2010.”?
LeBron James: Which of His Blessings would you deny?
by ProfessorEmmer on Nov 10, 2010 7:42 PM CST up reply actions
Being gentlemanly about it, I'd say.
"I was the nicest Hitler ever, pulling out chairs for old women and what not." -Rhubarb
by South Side Expat on Nov 10, 2010 9:39 PM CST up reply actions
I like this U-God
well done. I still think it will be hard for them to put Sale in the minors.
I doubt you dump Teabag without taking back a bad contract.
"Freaky like my lady pyramid!"
teams still seem to like mark derosa
teahen may not have his power, but he’s lefty and younger
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
i have less of a problem with Sale on the big league club than i thought i would
he’s a cheap good arm and you learn more pitching to MLers than AAers
Fireworks: Bang?
learning pitching to MLers isnt always the same as efficient against MLers
"Quentin was unbelievable in right field for the Chicago White Sox." -Carl Ravech, Best of Baseball Tonight Web Gem Awards
It's more the innings/stress than efficiency
He’ll probably be good, but fast-tracking pitchers seems to mess with them long-term.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 8, 2010 6:02 PM CST up reply actions
i agree, i mean seriously
do they know that the guy really doesn’t like baseball all that much? do they know the guy doesn’t have a passion to play the game that much?
"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Nov 8, 2010 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
WSB: Share the passion, show the swagger. Dunn isn't Chicago tough.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 8, 2010 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
Nice effort.
Adam LaRoche is not going to take a pay cut in his free agent year. He’s going to get closer to 10M than 5M. I’d guess 3 years 25M and I’d still consider doing it. Napoli may very well be available but not for another poor fielding corner outfielder, they are set there. They are probably going to want starting pitching for Napoli and we don’t have the pitching prospects to swing that deal. Overall, not a bad plan.
Well, that a good manageris your opinion. by winningugly
four-fold
and the sox are in the market for a first baseman.
Well, that a good manageris your opinion. by winningugly
But have they changed personel to Omar Minaya, JP Riccardi and Brian Saben?
Kenny doesn’t have a history of overpaying for free agents, why would he start all of the sudden?
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 8, 2010 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
I'd rather have Lyle
Everyone always forgets about Lyle…
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 8, 2010 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
LaRoche's fielding numbers are sketchy
His three year UZR is a plus and he does have seem to have more offensive upside… it’s just that he always has that first half rut.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 8, 2010 6:08 PM CST up reply actions
I like this a hell of a lot more than Nick Johnson. Seems you are learning something at vet school.
TS% = Thabo Sefolosha percentage. It calculates how much you can be like Thabo Sefolosha. That’s why Keith Bogans is at 70%.
Yeah, I'm sure his folks are thrilled at his SSS/MLB maturation,
paying $30-40K+/year for vet school.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
If that's all they're paying they should be fucking ecstatic.
TS% = Thabo Sefolosha percentage. It calculates how much you can be like Thabo Sefolosha. That’s why Keith Bogans is at 70%.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 8, 2010 10:50 PM CST up reply actions
loans are paying that
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
indeed, best not to think about it and get through school first
and i don’t know if you’re into public health and disease prevention, in the context of animal vectors, but if you are, i would look into fellowships with the us public health service (or probably usda) after graduation..because they will pay off the loan
"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Nov 8, 2010 11:30 PM CST up reply actions
going into shelter medicine
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
ozzie on facebook one year too late
I see a lot of your comments about certain players so i want to say. I have no say or make any decisions on who we should get. Sometimes they ask for my suggestions but i don’t deal with that stuff I just manage.
4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow
May the cure be not worse than the disease.
"I have discovered in 20 years of moving around a ballpark, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. "
Bill Veeck
McCarver?
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 8, 2010 5:41 PM CST up reply actions
Morgan makes McCarver sound good.
"Somebody is going to eat TP's thread's pussy, or I'm going to cut your fucking throat." - homesickalien
Orel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *MM >>>>>>>>>>>>>Morgan
"Quentin was unbelievable in right field for the Chicago White Sox." -Carl Ravech, Best of Baseball Tonight Web Gem Awards
YAY!!!!!!!!!!!
I'D LIKE TO APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE FOR MY BEHAVIOR!! I DAYDREAM WITH THE BEST OF THEM.......
by pierzynskirules on Nov 8, 2010 6:34 PM CST up reply actions
I am weeping for humanity.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
Jon Miller, too?
ESPN blows.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
Yeah, I actually enjoyed Jon Miller
And the over-enunciation of every Latin name was quite hilarious as well.
I too enjoyed Jon Miller. Liked his voice. It was calming, soothing and just made me love the game.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 10, 2010 9:41 AM CST up reply actions
Aaaaaand calming and soothing are synonyms. Whoops.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 10, 2010 9:42 AM CST up reply actions
If he did, I would never admit to it.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 11, 2010 9:35 PM CST up reply actions
April Fool's
A friend called me today and asked me if I heard about Joe Morgan. I said, yeah, I’m glad he’s finally out. He says, no, did you hear why they are doing it, it’s another ESPN scandal. Joe Morgan’s wife said he’s been ritualistically abusing her for years and would constantly have threesomes with hookers and make her do really crazy stuff.
I responded, “Yeah, I can see that, least shocking news of the day.”
He kept it up for about five minutes before finally telling me it was a lie. I told him to stop reading Elizabeth Smart case details.
Man, did I get destroyed.
by Gentleman Jim on Nov 9, 2010 7:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Because we believe anything negative about celebrities,
or because we believe anything negative about African-Americans?
Your friend should be ashamed. ASHAMED!
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
Another Catching option
How about Q and Harrell to Pittsburgh for Doumit and Andy LaRoche. Doumit is same age as Napoli (29), same salary 3.6M, switch hits and can still hit 30 HR’s in USC Field.
LaRoche can replace Lillibridge as 2b, 3b utility. Plus he would reunite with his brother if your other ideas pan out.
Doumit's career high is 15 homers
moving to chicago will not double it
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
harrell's wiki page:
“Lucas Harrell is a great baseball player, but tends to forget where he came from and the people and teams he grew up playing with. This, of anything is his only downfall. All of the people he played with growing up wish him nothing but the best of luck.”
No Thanks on Doumit/LaRoche
Can’t stay healthy, and when he is, he’s not much special. I think he hit his peak on ’08.
LaRoche has never posted an OPS+ of 100. And his UZR’s have been extremely inconsistent. At least Lillibridge can be used as a pinch-runner.
You know something? Fuck. It'd be nice if the minor league system gave us just ONE decent OF
Look at the crap we’ve gotten thru the draft at the OF position the last 8 or so years. The highlight of that stellar group is Chris Young, and he never played for the Sox. That leaves Anderson, Owens… and De Aza? Every year it’s the same story. The “who are they going to find to play the outfield” question. The draft has done nothing but produce 4th OF’s the past 10 years.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
There was a time
when Nashville had an outfield of Maggs, Mike Cameron, and some guy who hit more HRs than the 2 of them combined. We also were able to slide El Caballo out there, too.
I think our scouting department was too concerned with molesting and robbing Dominican prospects to actually scout them.
Maggs and Lee turned out okay. Perhaps they should go back to doing that.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 8, 2010 6:14 PM CST up reply actions
But he didn't come from the... nevermind.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 8, 2010 8:44 PM CST up reply actions
Jordan Danks!
but Mitchell should hopefully break that mold
4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow
wu to the rescue of his oposcrush in 3..... 2.....
I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.
Ahem.
Two words: Ryan. Sweeney.
(Mitchell – if he recovers close to 100% – is the most exciting OF we’ve brought up since fucking Maggs. So pray that he recovers.)
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
Forgot about ole Sweeney.
Yeah, you’re right tho. All our hopes rest with Mitchell. Trayce Thompson isn’t looking like a major leaguer.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 8, 2010 7:08 PM CST up reply actions
They are at least friendly.
Close comes later – after the rookie hazing.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
trayce thompson
chocolate thunder
4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow
this team is way too white for my liking.
i hate laroche and kearns… not as much as i hate nick johnson…..but still.
I think you have to trade danks or floyd. For who i don’t know….
i like the effort- just don’t like the players.
Kenwo4life=ratings
Then you have to pull an "In Cold Blood" ritual
with a Clutter-like family.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
Yep.
Too grindy and Gary Cooper-like. Though that might change if PK leaves.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
Got to have someone who knows how to style.
For the fallow periods when we suck.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
I thought that was Toby Hall
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 8, 2010 8:45 PM CST up reply actions
But Bo retired man...
Bo knows healthy meals
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
Shaved his beard, now has a porn 'stache.
Probably doing a Peter North “I’m straight! Now I’m gay!” career change.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
"Taintbrush"
"Somebody is going to eat TP's thread's pussy, or I'm going to cut your fucking throat." - homesickalien
that's what he gets for wearing that damn tigers hat
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
So he's now over on BCB?
"I was the nicest Hitler ever, pulling out chairs for old women and what not." -Rhubarb
by South Side Expat on Nov 8, 2010 10:41 PM CST up reply actions
He knows we're wise to his act.
The insurrection is coming soon.
http://www.stampedeblue.com/2010/5/9/1464754/an-explanation-of-why-people-do
TS% = Thabo Sefolosha percentage. It calculates how much you can be like Thabo Sefolosha. That’s why Keith Bogans is at 70%.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 8, 2010 10:53 PM CST up reply actions
is that the colts blog? I talked to the assistant editor on the packers blog
they all left except for their “cheat” and his 5 minions because he completly lost his mind power control wise.
4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow
Yeah it was linked somewhere on Twitter a week ago.
TS% = Thabo Sefolosha percentage. It calculates how much you can be like Thabo Sefolosha. That’s why Keith Bogans is at 70%.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 8, 2010 11:40 PM CST up reply actions
Not bad
But, I don’t think the Angels do the Napoli trade…few factors, main one being I think they land Crawford. Secondly, pretty sure I’ve read everywhere that Dunn doesn’t want to DH.
I like your bullpen thoughts and don’t forget everyone, floss regularly (or rinse your dentures, wu) and say your jake peavy prayers before bed this offseason.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
Buehrle Gold Glove
The Gold Glove awards are scheduled to be announced Tuesday, but a well-placed source reported that White Sox ace Mark Buehrle will win his second consecutive award for his exceptional defense.
According to a Facebook post Monday, Jamie Buehrle expressed her happiness for her husband’s honor.
“So proud of my husband,” Jamie Buehrle posted Monday. “He is now a TWO time gold glove winner!!!”
Photo: Mark Buehrle makes a between-the-legs flip to first base against the Indians last April.
Buehrle received plenty of national recognition for his play April 5 when he retrieved a ball hit by Cleveland’s Lou Marson that caromed off his leg and bounced into foul territory, only for Buehrle to retrieve and flip the ball between his legs to first base to retire Marson.
Buehrle picked off a major-league-best 11runners in 2010 after nailing eight in ’09, and his pickoff move was the subject of a May 26 controversy in which umpire Joe West ejected manager Ozzie Guillen and Buehrle in separate incidents after balk calls against Buehrle.
Perhaps this is one call West can’t overrule.
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/11/buehrles-scoop-gold-glove-award.html
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
PS Jaimie is making the statements because Buehrle is locked in a deer stand somewhere in rural MO
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 8, 2010 9:32 PM CST up reply actions
haha fuck you West
4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow
by blackoutsox on Nov 8, 2010 9:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You heard of those breathalyzer ignition controls they put on steering columns for multiple DUI offenders?
There needs to be something similar to allow posting of comments on certain web pages. Except my version would measure IQ and brain cells somehow.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 8, 2010 11:28 PM CST up reply actions
my faith in humanity is lost!
Max on November 8, 2010 9:26 PM
Jeff on November 8, 2010 8:46 PM
At least we’re not stuck with Zambrano, lol!
……
Why? At this point in their careers, Zambrano is a far better pitcher than Buehrle. I don’t like it or him, but it’s true.
Jeff on November 8, 2010 8:46 PM
At least we’re not stuck with Zambrano, lol!
Berwyn Frank on November 8, 2010 7:41 PM
Agree with 05,for what he makes,he’s not worth it.Don’t think you’ll find any takers though.So we’re stuck…………..
TJ on November 8, 2010 5:32 PM
Jim on November 8, 2010 5:15 PM
, he may be the last 300 game winner ever in baseball if he decides to play that long.
.
Maybe if he pitches until he’s 70, he would have a chance. Other than that, you are crazy on all fronts.
Frank on November 8, 2010 5:19 PM
I love watching Buehrle work with runners on base. His pickoff move is absolutely sick. This guy struggled to make his high school team and now he has a WS ring, an All-Star game start, a no-hitter, a perfect game, a home run and 2 gold gloves. Not too shabby!
Jim on November 8, 2010 5:15 PM
All local stars need to go away at some point and it is crystal clear that it is time for Buehrle to move on. He was great at one point, but if we can find a sucker to take his 14 mil. contract, then let him go as quickly as possible. 500 pitchers are a dime a dozen and the leftover cash is needed to fill some of the holes on this team.
If we want to win anything anytime soon, we need to dump some of these bad contracts.
Jim on November 8, 2010 5:15 PM
Buerhle’s record would be much better with solid defense behind him, as would the rest of the staff. With his pitching style and playing on a consistent winning team, he may be the last 300 game winner ever in baseball if he decides to play that long. With the way the game is played today a pitcher doesn’t get the opportunities to win 20 games like he used to!
.. on November 8, 2010 4:48 PM
Disgusted on November 8, 2010 4:37 PM
You two are fools. Granted, he won’t get twent wins. But they have nothing to replace him with.
-———
Another mindless post from this mindless poster.
Disgusted on November 8, 2010 4:37 PM
You two are fools. Granted, he won’t get twent wins. But they have nothing to replace him with.
chunky72 on November 8, 2010 4:36 PM
some fans you guys are, this guy is an white sox icon and usually these chicago tribune forums are always negative and judgemental. congrats mark
05 on November 8, 2010 3:59 PM
It would be a great time to unload Buehrle and his inflated contract to an NL team. He only gives you a handful of solid starts per season at this point in his career and that isn’t enough to justify keeping his contract on a team that desperately needs payroll flexibility.
He was a great pitcher once, but this team can’t afford charity and that’s what keeping him would amount to.
ldc on November 8, 2010 3:35 PM
Now if he was only capable of pitching at the MLB level still, this would matter.
Enjoy the Nats Mark.
4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow
Hah
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 9, 2010 9:27 AM CST up reply actions
CNET was talking about such a system, actually
but for social networking sites. It’s a series of tests, akin to a facebook breathilizer. I know you were joking (sort of), but there is just an app.
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 9, 2010 8:19 AM CST up reply actions
heh. FF plugin:
http://socialmediasobrietytest.com/
I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.
by thatshortkid on Nov 9, 2010 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
.
"Statistics are about as interesting as first base coaches" Jim Bouton
by Grinder Rule #42 on Nov 9, 2010 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
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"Statistics are about as interesting as first base coaches" Jim Bouton
by Grinder Rule #42 on Nov 9, 2010 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
SBN needs something like this.
Would probably cut down on things like double posts.
"I was the nicest Hitler ever, pulling out chairs for old women and what not." -Rhubarb
by South Side Expat on Nov 9, 2010 2:01 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Would probably cut down on things like posts. *fixed.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 10, 2010 9:43 AM CST up reply actions
I like
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 9, 2010 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
It's the Chicago Tribune..
They make 4Chan look like good people.
by Grinder in Training on Nov 9, 2010 8:21 AM CST up reply actions
Have you seen the Sun-Times commenters?
They get the rejects from Stormfront.
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
Good point
I should have just said it’s Chicago Newspaper commenters. I think the most surprising thing is that these people read the news.
by Grinder in Training on Nov 9, 2010 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
OT, but screw fantasy football GDit.
fuckin’ aye this shit’s infuriating
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
one of these is not like the others.
American League Gold Glove Winners
C: Joe Mauer
1B: Mark Teixeira
2B: Robinson Cano
3B:Evan Longoria
SS: Derek Jeter
OF: Ichiro Suzuki
OF: Carl Crawford
OF: Franklin Gutierrez
P: Mark Buehrle
BS.
how could gutierrez win? he hit like crap this year.
i am a bark for buffeting. i am a hound for thornypaws. i am a doe for swiftness. i am a tree for wind-siege. i am a windmill. i am a hole in a wall.
not entirely. to me the theory seems to be some combination of hitting and whether or not one has won before.
so jeter doesn’t surprise me, but gutierrez does. figured maybe they would give it to torii.
in any case it’s mostly garbage.
i am a bark for buffeting. i am a hound for thornypaws. i am a doe for swiftness. i am a tree for wind-siege. i am a windmill. i am a hole in a wall.
Torii might've won it had the Angels not moved him to right.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
well, i figured if palmeiro won it that one year
anything is possible.
i am a bark for buffeting. i am a hound for thornypaws. i am a doe for swiftness. i am a tree for wind-siege. i am a windmill. i am a hole in a wall.
lets see
sure
bullshit
sure
sure
absolute diahrea
sure
sure
lolwut
woot
4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow
cano was even less deserving than teixeira
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
gladly changed to bullshit
4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow
ichiro
cuz he’s japanese?
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
Nicely said it is cool to note we are selling off some players (without naming names) who have been really pulling us back, Goodbye! I also believe Bobby was highly priced and it is a blessing to have Houston so we do not have to beg!
Why Michael Jordan Could Fly
And now, a dramatic reading of a real 2011 plan comment, by a reeeeal person.
"Even when he finally screws her, he’s wearing the watermelon rind as a hat."
Napoli: worse at defense then AJ
MattKlassen at BtB has an article on Catcher Defense up. Here’s napoli’s entry:
RANK |Name | Age | Team | PA | FERuns |TERuns | PBWPRns | CSRuns | Total
113 |Mike Napoli | 28 | LAA | 2329 | -0.8 | -0.5 | -2.9 | -1.2 | -5.5
AJ is ranked at 102, out of 120. Napoli can hit, but he’s horrid behind the plate.
Full Article
Yep.
D.H.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
incorrect.
the catcher position adjustment is 12.5 runs/150 games. in 66 games, that’s 5.5 runs. and he’s a career .357 wOBA, which means he’s about a 3.5 WAR/150 games player at catcher. at DH, he’d be about average.
UG was right on when he said Napoli is Flowers if he realizes his potential.
Fireworks: Bang?
You mean Flowers is Napoli, correct?
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
Finkle is Einhorn
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 11, 2010 9:04 AM CST up reply actions
if he reaches his potential, yes.
"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Nov 12, 2010 2:39 AM CST up reply actions
Word.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 11, 2010 9:03 AM CST up reply actions
He needs a defensive caddy then if we go for him
That is not flowers. I get shifty when someone is so terrible at defense, makes me think they’re about to lose their bat.
what's wrong with Castro?
either way, the Sox pitching should be good enough across the board that it isn’t a big deal anyway. i think there’s a pretty clear case that catcher defense is overrated.
Fireworks: Bang?
oh hey, good call
didn’t seem Castro that high. Yeah, he’s exactly what I’m talking about.
Its more of a leverage issue. Late innings, reliever is on the mound with a nutty breaking ball, think Putz’s splitter this year. I don’t want a defensive sieve back there, I want a dude who can pick it.
agreed, there are certain situations where you'll want to be able
to prevent teams from leveraging that particular weakness.
Fireworks: Bang?
Quentin for Napoli ? We trading a 30 HR and almost 90 RBI guy for a part time catcher? Also, re signing Andruw Jones is a hell no ! He has been a near .200 hitter for the last 4 seasons and is not getting any younger
Hee
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 11, 2010 9:03 AM CST up reply actions
good thing napoli and quentin had the same number of homeruns last season
and one is a catcher.
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
We can't say that with full confidence
defensive numbers stabilize over 2-3 years and, holy mother of god, was Hawpe terrible when he was getting a lot of burn.
Q could be, like, 2nd or 3rd maybe even 4th worst if Dunn goes back to the OF.
I just don't think
The Sox will have their highest payroll ever this upcoming season which makes this wonderfully mapped out offseason plan go splat. Also, the Halos want Crawford which means they won’t be trading for a corner OF.
More realistically the Sox sign PK and Damon, add a random pen arm or two and cross their fingers.
Wouldn’t mind them taking a stab at Alex Gordon to allow Morel a little more time in the minors.
With Flowers it is now or never, so why not play him with Castro.
Royals traded DeJesus
Left field is all Gordon’s now. And we already have one washed out KC 3bman. He’s horrible. Lets not get another.
There are many teams that want Crawford. Its not for sure they’d get him.
2008 was higher
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
Wait, it's now or never on Flowers
but not Morel? Also, those numbers aren’t adjusted to salary inflation. I’d bet $103M in 2006 dollars bought as much as $115M in 2010 dollars. Likewise 2007’s $109. Major league contracts are written typically to expect 10% inflation per season.
Fireworks: Bang?
I still can't believe 2007's payroll was over $100 million
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 11, 2010 4:52 PM CST up reply actions
Could be worse.
“I can’t believe 2009, 2010 and 2011 each cost well over $100M.” –Random Cubs fan… from the future.
"Even when he finally screws her, he’s wearing the watermelon rind as a hat."
gotta love that without a single offseason move or arbitration
their payroll is over $100 mil already
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
"All I wanted was some taco bell!"
"I was the nicest Hitler ever, pulling out chairs for old women and what not." -Rhubarb
by South Side Expat on Nov 11, 2010 6:44 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
lol
and no, not too soon
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 11, 2010 9:33 PM CST up reply actions
greened
and gold!!
CAGO WHY SOGS CAGO WHY SOGSSSS
mmmm.... true
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 11, 2010 9:34 PM CST up reply actions
if you were to bring in anyone to cover 3b
to keep morel in the minors for a while longer, the budget would dictate that they’d be distinctly average. at best.
i think morel can at least be distinctly average.
so morel can cover third for morel while morel is in the minors and when morel is ready morel can go to the bench so morel can start at third?
4 hours 5 minutes? Is that all? Buehrle coulda pitched three CGs and the bottom of the 14th in Houston by then. FTMFYITA! - RWShow
by blackoutsox on Nov 12, 2010 12:28 AM CST up reply actions
They should bring in that Teehan guy from Kansas City.
He can play the hot corner like no other. I don’t see a problem with trying him out for a year or three, see how it goes.
"Even when he finally screws her, he’s wearing the watermelon rind as a hat."
time for kenny to go!!!
AJ must come back. If pauly wants to stay in AZ. fine. If not he splits time as DH and first with Dayan V. Linebrink must go (3 yrs. ago). Mark T must go. Who would extend a 3 yr. contract to this guy before even putting on a sox uniform. K. Williams would so, he must go. Peavy must go. Even the lowly cubs didn’t want him because they were told that he will blow his arm. K. Williams must go. T. Flowers is a waste of time. He’s getting long in the tooth for a prospect. It’s time to move on. What about Chris Sale. He can replace Peavy on the starting rotation. We should try to acquire Carl Crawford and a couple of bull pen arms to replace Jenks, and Linebrink and sale (who becomes a starter). My starting line-up for 2011 is: Jaun P. in left, Alexi R. ss, Carl Crawford cf, Pauly (if he stays) 1b/dh, C. Quinten (yes we keep him for a 4th. of/dh)., Riosrf, Beckham@ 2nd, AJ@c, B. Morel @3rd. Dayan V. can play @ 3rd. ,1st., dh. WE keep him for one full season to make or break. Brett lill. stays as another infielder. This could be a powerful line-up.
time for Kenny to go
Starting lineup for 2011
Jaun P. LF, Alexi R. SS, Carl Crawford CF, Pauly 1st./dh, C. Quentin dh/OF, Alex Rios RF,Gordon Beckham 2nd.,AJ C, Bret Morel 3rd. Brett lii stays and Dayan V. as INF/ dh. Big Q is 4th. OF
juan, alexei, brent, and brent
good try though
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
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