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Lee Tells Yanks to go Dangle

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In a move that is not unprecedented (see Maddux TY WU), Cliff Lee (a scholar and a gentleman) has told the Yankees and their insufferable fan-base that they can take their money and stick it where the sun doesn’t shine.  At this point it is reported Lee (a saint and a martyr) chose to forgo the extra 2-years and $28 million the Yankees were offering.   Instead he signed with the Phillies for five years and $120 million ducats.

In this day and age of ultra-consumerism and the capitalist rat-race, it is rare to see a superstar athlete take less than market value.  Especially when the New York Yankees are dictating said value.  The Yankees are not used to this type of treatment and I am sure there is an uproar reverberating throughout the Big Apple and their gravity of influence.  Also you can probably imagine the hair-pulling and hissy-fits  of agent Darek Braunecker being forsaken a slice of a larger cash pie.  There had to have been quite a bit of pressure on Lee to go to New York, so why didn’t he? 

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Maybe he doesn’t like Reggie Jackson, maybe he isn’t a front-runner like the reprehensible Carl Crawford, perhaps he hated the Yankees as a child and has always said he would never play for them, perhaps he believes that the Evil Empire is everything that is wrong with America, perhaps his wife does not shop at Saks 5th Avenue, perhaps he doesn’t want the stench of Nick Swisher’s goofball antics sticking to his career…whatever the reason, it is a breath of fresh air and he has become a hero of sorts for those that feared his employ by the Steinbrenner /Cashman regime. 

In his press conference later today, I am sure he will spin a tale about how comfortable he felt in Philadelphia in 2009.  After all, you can only shuck-n-jive the status quo so many times in a 24 hour period, so you can most likely expect a politically correct response for his controversial decision.  He will thank the Yankees and the Rangers for their interest in his services.    He will say it was the toughest decision he has ever made.  He will never tell the full truth though.

My take is he pictured the Phillies rotation with him in it and drooled over possibility to stick it to the Yankees in the 2011 World Series.  (Even though we all know it will be the White Sox there)  Since, after all, the Yankees are favorites to win the AL year-to-year.  The Phillies now roll with Halladay, Lee, Oswalt and Hamels as their top four.  A rotation to be reckoned with in any era of baseball.

My opinion counts as much as the next guy’s but I choose to see Cliff Lee as a real American hero from the sticks of Arkansas.  Sure $120 million dollars is nothing to scoff at b-b-b-but it could have been $148 million.  That’s 4228.57 times the average American’s salary.  He is being paid like a prince and he deserves it…because he is a prince, he is a gentleman, a scholar, a martyr, a hero, a saint…Christ…he deserves the Congressional Medal of Honor.   He is the antithesis of Lebron James Dale Earnhardt, Jr. and the main source of antipathy for Yankees fans who act like, for the most part, the spoiled children of Presidents & CEO’s.

The White Sox will not face Lee until the 2011 World Series, should both teams have the fortune of staying healthy and hot enough to get there.   Unfortunately this is also the case for the Yankees, since they do not find the Phillies on their 2011 schedule.  Just think of the missed hype opportunity for ESPN Sunday Night baseball!  Either way, the best lefty in the game goes to an equally insufferable and undeserving fan-base, a team which I detest and the city of Brotherly-Hate.  Lee will have more money than God...but he isn’t God, he is just doing God’s work and no one should feel sorry for Texas...the home of Satan.

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Cliff Lee will never be here and will be shunned when he gets to the Field of Dreams.

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Hey man...

The Yankees re-signed Jeter. That’s all the free-agent action they needed.

by FAQ on Dec 14, 2010 9:40 AM CST reply actions  

follow the link. barring that, at least hover your mouse over it to get the URL.

I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.

by thatshortkid on Dec 14, 2010 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly

I think he’d like it if you beat him up.

Diastemic fury!!
Angular angry elbows and knees!!
And a wet spot in joewho112’s pants

But I appreciate the offer! I ordered myself 120 bucks worth of salami. I have eaten about 40 of those dollars worth already. I am a glutton.

by FAQ on Dec 15, 2010 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

The Yankees also lost out on Greg Maddux in 1992, who took far less to go to the Braves.

He, in the long run, lost out as he only won 1 championship with the Braves. Would’ve won a few more with the Spanks.

FTYITA.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/12/sports/baseball/12yankees.html?_r=1&scp=2&sq=greg%20maddux&st=cse

uncertainty is a bitch. by larry on Dec 8, 2010 11:51 AM EST

by winningugly on Dec 14, 2010 9:54 AM CST reply actions  

what's that worth?

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Dec 14, 2010 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Ooooo

I regret naming my profile after a player.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Dec 14, 2010 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

The Phils should win a WS, then ship Lee off to the Yanks for half their farm.

Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT

by Shoeless In SC on Dec 14, 2010 10:54 AM CST reply actions  

You shouldnt post pictures of retards

thats not very nice

The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.

by blackoutsox on Dec 14, 2010 12:04 PM CST reply actions  

Isn't he the same as LeBron?

LeBron turned down more money from a market with absolutely crazy fans (even more so after the decision) to play with his pals on a super team. Lee joining Halladay, Oswalt, and Hamels is very similar.

by weavebeast on Dec 14, 2010 12:55 PM CST reply actions  

not really

"I don't give a flying f**k who you think I look like"

by soxrule!35 on Dec 14, 2010 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree.

LeBron exited in a douchebag way, but I don’t have a problem with LeBron’s decision – he made the same choice as Lee.

I think the difference is that basketball can be an individual game. A lot of people, myself included, were looking at LeBron to be the next Kobe, the next Michael. Hell, it was only fair, since he marketed himself as such. LeBron is hated because people view him as taking the easy way out (‘now I don’t have to score 30 a night’) and not stepping up to take on the challenge of Jordan. If LeBron wins a title, it won’t be viewed as ‘pure’ as if he’d done it in Cleveland or any other market without Wade/Bosh. Cliff Lee will be celebrated because he told the Yankees to go perch and rotate, even though they made the same decision.

It’s the different ways of basketball and baseball that explain the different reactions the two will get. And maaaaybe race (although I really hope not).

Like 11 hundred horses when I switch that gear
Swerve on them sorta like I missed that dear
Then I press that little button on the sit back chair!!!

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 14, 2010 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

No race involved in this one.

No one suggested CC Sabathia was a giant douche or that he was hated by everyone like LeBron is, when he went to the Yankees to form that supposed super team. The sports are just different, and LeBron was a unique case of complete douchbaggery with The Decision.

LeBron took some god awful advice, and handled his decision terribly. That’s what happens when you let your friends advise you instead of people who know what they are doing.

by Grinder in Training on Dec 14, 2010 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree word for word with the second part.

And true, CC was no dbag about it. He’d made it clear he was going to the highest bigger. I guess people just assumed Lee would as well.

I disagree with the idea that race hasn’t played a roll in LeBron’s PR problems, however. But that’s for another board/another time.

Like 11 hundred horses when I switch that gear
Swerve on them sorta like I missed that dear
Then I press that little button on the sit back chair!!!

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 14, 2010 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, purely by the numbers (although i'm not sure who their WAR shakes out)

According to The Q Scores Co., for non-blacks, LeBron’s positive Q rating went from 18 percent in January to 10 percent in September and, more telling, his negative Q rating went from 24 percent to 44. Nearly half of the non-blacks in this country don’t like the dude. Meanwhile, LeBron’s positive Q rating among blacks went from 52 percent in January to 39 — a noticeable drop — but his negative Q rating barely budged, going from 14 percent to 15. Among African-Americans, says The Q Scores Co. executive vice president Henry Schafer, the shift in opinion was mostly to neutral.

linky

Like 11 hundred horses when I switch that gear
Swerve on them sorta like I missed that dear
Then I press that little button on the sit back chair!!!

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 14, 2010 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Race doesn't have anything to do with his PR problems.

But it does have to do with him still having a fan base of at least one race. If he was white, he’d have no fans at all.

by Grinder in Training on Dec 14, 2010 1:59 PM CST up reply actions  

yep. blacks back their own regardless.

i wouldn’t want to talk politics but a somewhat recent election demonstrated that quite clearly.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Dec 14, 2010 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

So don't. Move the conversation along fellas.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Dec 14, 2010 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

tdogg, this site needs more mods like it needs more al yellon.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Dec 14, 2010 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

that's too bad.

i’d recommend following his direction.

by larry on Dec 14, 2010 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

i'll continue to say whatever i like, whenever i like.

a one off comment doesn’t need that response. i was dropping it at the moment i said it.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Dec 14, 2010 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I didn't take it personal.

and that wasn’t the purpose of my post. I’d gladly have a beer with you over it. :-) It was a follow up to my original post below.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Dec 14, 2010 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

take what personal? i was just confirming a fact. i never thought you would be offended.

i just don’t like that you felt the need to tell people to end a line of discussion that was already over.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Dec 14, 2010 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Well you are clearly irritated

so I’ll offer an apology for the tone. I honestly didn’t mean it that harsh I was just trying to reiterate those types of comments have to go.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Dec 14, 2010 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

don't apologize, man. my irritation isn't at you.

it’s, i guess, a growing realization that gone is the site i used to enjoy so much.

i revel in these types of conversations. the fact that we’re supposed to avoid this type of discourse is disappointing to me. the real-time comment-and-response ability of this site lends itself to faster paced discussion, and obviously as a corollary some unforeseen digressions. it’s that stuff that got me commenting here in the first place.

should that go…

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Dec 14, 2010 4:43 PM CST up reply actions  

don't threaten us

If is is one handed shitting. by winningugly

by mick10 on Dec 14, 2010 8:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I am occasionally nostalgic for parts of my adolescence, too, MM.

Everyone’s gotta grow up sometime.

uncertainty is a bitch. by larry on Dec 8, 2010 11:51 AM EST

by winningugly on Dec 14, 2010 8:46 PM CST up reply actions  

let me know when you do and i'll consider joining you.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Dec 14, 2010 9:16 PM CST up reply actions  

It's a work in progress.

And I think you can see a slight restraint over the past week or two. It’s tough, but you can’t fight the Fed.

uncertainty is a bitch. by larry on Dec 8, 2010 11:51 AM EST

by winningugly on Dec 15, 2010 7:14 AM CST up reply actions  

perhaps it could have been more polite.

but one-off comments get that response now.

by larry on Dec 14, 2010 4:29 PM CST up reply actions  

if that's how things work now, fine.

i’ll continue to say what i like, and if it gets me banned or some such nonsense, so be it.

i can read the articles just fine without commenting. what made this site worth participating in was all the directions our discussion used to take.

amazing how low the asking price for selling out is these days.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Dec 14, 2010 4:34 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

theyre not selling out

just cashing in on those ad clicks

"Statistics are about as interesting as first base coaches" Jim Bouton

by Grinder Rule #42 on Dec 14, 2010 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Finna make it rain!!!

Like 11 hundred horses when I switch that gear
Swerve on them sorta like I missed that dear
Then I press that little button on the sit back chair!!!

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 14, 2010 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

wanna go up to the top of the wilson tower after this

and make it rain with pennys?

"Statistics are about as interesting as first base coaches" Jim Bouton

by Grinder Rule #42 on Dec 15, 2010 10:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes.

Nicki she just mad cuz you took the spot
Word that chick mad cuz I took the spot?
Well b***h if you ain't sh***n' then get off the pot

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 15, 2010 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

are SSS'ers fungible?

The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.

by blackoutsox on Dec 14, 2010 4:41 PM CST up reply actions  

some are

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Dec 14, 2010 4:41 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

that was a rhetorical question

I know I sure am

The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.

by blackoutsox on Dec 14, 2010 5:05 PM CST up reply actions  

if somebody wants to send me some numbers on cost and maintenance

of such a forum, i’d be open to listen.

i’m not advocating anarchy, i’d just like for people to assume that members can use their own discretion without intervention after years of participation.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Dec 14, 2010 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

This is where you confuse me

because in essence we as a site are being given an opportunity to clean things up on our own without help. Frankly I dont know what you have seen lately but imo some things have definitely gone overboard. This site is part of SB Nation.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Dec 14, 2010 4:53 PM CST up reply actions  

i guess it's just tough to digest not being able to casually state a fact

when it seems like only yesterday that larry would post anti-semitic and anti-asian comments all the time.

and the now-handled 2nd half adj. spent much of the last 6 months talking about how he loved sucking dick.

maybe these 2 fucked it up for everybody else and that’s why things need to change so drastically. i don’t know.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Dec 14, 2010 5:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Dick Allen has 351 career HRs - that is a fact.

Ukranians cheered for him because they hate us Polish – unfounded opinion.

Hope that clears that up.

by TasteeFreeze on Dec 14, 2010 5:11 PM CST up reply actions  

thanks for the help.

i guess i should have said simple inference based on lots of information gathered by many sources.

i guess i also should have assumed that some douche would come along and make a douchey comment that doesn’t address the actual subject of the comment.

hope that helps.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Dec 14, 2010 5:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I choose to blame the jackhole over on Twinkie Town that said SSS was going murdering.

"I was the nicest Hitler ever, pulling out chairs for old women and what not." -Rhubarb

by South Side Expat on Dec 14, 2010 5:12 PM CST up reply actions  

good news: got the official word that no charges will be filed.

I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.

by thatshortkid on Dec 14, 2010 5:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I blame Al Yellon

and im serious about that one

The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.

by blackoutsox on Dec 14, 2010 5:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I hate the cubs and their fans as much as anyone

but that dude got absolutely anal raped when he posted on here. I don’t know the history between him and SSS….. but i could easily see him telling the SBN higher ups about those couple exchanges.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 14, 2010 5:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I just spit out my coffee.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Dec 14, 2010 5:22 PM CST up reply actions  

i hope it was in a good way.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Dec 14, 2010 5:25 PM CST up reply actions  

sorry, by the way, if i came off the wrong way to you.

i should have worded my comment more carefully.

as the goon above pointed out so cleverly, i wasn’t properly phrasing my point.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Dec 14, 2010 5:28 PM CST up reply actions  

no biggie

its all good.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Dec 14, 2010 10:08 PM CST up reply actions  

i don't think you can "cure" gay.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Dec 14, 2010 5:43 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

But you sure can lay back and enjoy it.

My opinion is that Philadelphia fans are jerks who would boo a 7 year old girl at her mother’s funeral, and don’t deserve Lee picking them.

Maybe they’ll finally get over J.D. Drew, but I doubt it.

by TasteeFreeze on Dec 14, 2010 5:45 PM CST up reply actions  

lol

i still can’t believe they cheered michael irvin’s career ending injury.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 14, 2010 5:47 PM CST up reply actions  

boo intentionally vomit on

I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.

by thatshortkid on Dec 14, 2010 5:48 PM CST up reply actions  

We have SBN

s

watching us. Probably not the best place for a racial/political debate at the moment.

I regret naming my profile after a player.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Dec 14, 2010 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

what happened to self moderation? :(

The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.

by blackoutsox on Dec 14, 2010 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

just another cook in this self-righteous kitchen.

also, no commenting on the food unless you’re a cook.

(end analogy)

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Dec 14, 2010 4:24 PM CST up reply actions  

And if you are implying white people dislike him because of his race

Well yes, those asshats are out there. They have always been out there though, they didn’t become racist because of The Decision. Those idiots were already racist and almost assuredly, already disliked LeBron James for his race.

It’s not like his race changed, the perception of his character did. It’s not as if some hillbilly in West Virginia was watching The Decision and saw him say he would take his talents to South Beach and realized, “Holy Shit! LeBron is black?!?! WTF is going on here. Fuck you LeBron James.”

The people that have a problem with his race now, always had a problem with LeBron’s race. The people that are judging him unfairly because of his race, didn’t become racist over night. That part of his PR problem was always a part of his and any other black athlete’s problem.

by Grinder in Training on Dec 14, 2010 2:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I didn't say race didn't have anything to do with LeBron.

That’s clearly why black people support him. As they do all their athletes. That’s a given. Just like they support Michael Vick for example. Black protectionism, it’s common knowledge. All groups protect their own.

White people dislike white athletes too though, we’re in the large majority, we don’t feel the same need to protect our own, Roger Clemens, Brett Favre, etc.. the fact that blacks don’t dislike LeBron, doesn’t make white people racist though. It makes black people protectionists.

But I had meant the difference in reactions wasn’t because Cliff Lee is white (that’s why I said This One), not the response to LeBron in general.

by Grinder in Training on Dec 14, 2010 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

You guys are having an intelligent conversation

but honestly I really don’t understand how these conversations segue into these subject matters.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Dec 14, 2010 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I wish I never mentioned Lebron in the above article

this took an unfortunate turn…we could have all just enjoyed hating the Yankees.

by Rhubarb on Dec 14, 2010 4:09 PM CST up reply actions  

No, I thought it was a valid discussion that save for a few comments was fine.

OT topics run the risk of veering into odd places so we all should just learn better self-restraint (probably something I should have done before posting that last comment).

by Ozzie Montana on Dec 14, 2010 4:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I would have liked to see more about whether or not Lee's decision was Lebronesque

rather than the race bit which I really don’t see how that applies and was not intended on my part. As you can see I have corrected it.

by Rhubarb on Dec 14, 2010 4:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Nor did I mean it that way, actually.

I was just going to post about the LB/Lee comp when I saw someone else had. The race line was, honestly, a throw away line, a possible explanation for some differences.

Like 11 hundred horses when I switch that gear
Swerve on them sorta like I missed that dear
Then I press that little button on the sit back chair!!!

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 14, 2010 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

plus LeBron did bring it up himself

The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.

by blackoutsox on Dec 14, 2010 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I think that was covered well.

Lee isn’t like LeBron because

a) He has no longstanding affiliation with a pro team after being traded twice in 2 seasons, nor was Cliff Lee ever anointed the savior of a derelict franchise.

b) Lee left Texas like a normal human being. He tested the markets, picked his favorite spot and went there. It didn’t drag out for a full year, he didn’t bait fans and media members and most importantly didn’t make people watch a TV special to hear about the news.

The only comparison to LeBron James would be Albert Pujols joining the Yankees for less money

by Ozzie Montana on Dec 14, 2010 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree

and for the record I think James was a putz and went out weak.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Dec 14, 2010 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

i move to just cloak all gamethreads now

somebody might say something that, a few comments later, might be something somebody else doesn’t agree with, subscribe to, or finds vulgar. and no discussion should ever happen about that.

better to just nip that shit in the bud.

I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.

by thatshortkid on Dec 14, 2010 4:23 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

exactly. people need to be afraid to comment in the new SSS. prevents controversy.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Dec 14, 2010 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I think for a little while being cautious

makes sense. Look, it’s clear larry, etc have been told by the SBN higher ups, "clean this shit up.‘’ There’s no reason it has to stay hypersensitive forever, but we’d rather have someone we all know nagging us than a total outsider, correct?

And I don’t think anything here got too far off the reservation. Some things were typed, some things were misread (a hazard when using a method of communication that conveys no tone of voice), we fixed it ourselves. Feel free to comment however you want, but just think twice.

Like 11 hundred horses when I switch that gear
Swerve on them sorta like I missed that dear
Then I press that little button on the sit back chair!!!

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 14, 2010 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Not a dig at you individually, MM.

Like 11 hundred horses when I switch that gear
Swerve on them sorta like I missed that dear
Then I press that little button on the sit back chair!!!

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 14, 2010 4:29 PM CST up reply actions  

how long is a little while

"Statistics are about as interesting as first base coaches" Jim Bouton

by Grinder Rule #42 on Dec 14, 2010 4:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Until we get it right.

Or the start of the season.

Like 11 hundred horses when I switch that gear
Swerve on them sorta like I missed that dear
Then I press that little button on the sit back chair!!!

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 14, 2010 5:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

over/under on april 1st?

at this rate im lookin at least till july 15th and even that depends on the AL Central standings

"Statistics are about as interesting as first base coaches" Jim Bouton

by Grinder Rule #42 on Dec 15, 2010 10:11 AM CST up reply actions  

No problem with mentioning Lebron

it was a reasonable comparison. But the out of pocket personal stuff (no matter how genuine and harmless) has to stop. This isn’t ugly but it could get there. We can have fun but use common sense on whether a comment could lead down a path.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Dec 14, 2010 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

"We can have fun but use common sense on whether a comment could lead down a path."

wow. just….. wow.

I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.

by thatshortkid on Dec 14, 2010 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

R u serious?

Have you folks really run that far overboard that an attempt at saying help police yourself is taken like that?

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Dec 14, 2010 4:41 PM CST up reply actions  

has the sbn crackdown run that far overboard that we have to predict what other posters are going to say?

what MM has been saying above better than i: people here are able to intelligently discuss baseball. they’re probably pretty capable of discussing other things intelligently too. some of them veer into the stupid and the flamebait, but omelettes and eggs.

we’re all adults here. the discussions and conversations are a great reason to come back and participate (that whole “community” thing). i guess i’m confused as to why you felt the need to interject with “you guys are having a smart discussion and nothing’s offensive, but this shit needs to go.”

I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.

by thatshortkid on Dec 14, 2010 5:12 PM CST up reply actions  

maybe because I know things you don't

I have other personal reasons that I could say but frankly its relevant. They are plenty of blogs out there.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Dec 14, 2010 5:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Blogs that discuss controversial subject matters.

Obviously its not an argument about the Beatles vs the Stones or Wire vs Mad Men.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Dec 14, 2010 5:21 PM CST up reply actions  

wire sucks

The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.

by blackoutsox on Dec 14, 2010 5:22 PM CST up reply actions  

flagged

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Dec 14, 2010 5:23 PM CST up reply actions  

double flagged

"The game's out there and it's play or get played..."

by Air Raid Siren Stan on Dec 14, 2010 6:17 PM CST up reply actions  

you were adopted and your parents dont love you

The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.

by blackoutsox on Dec 14, 2010 5:38 PM CST up reply actions  

commencing dropping it. no need to pollute more of rhubarb's thread.

I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.

by thatshortkid on Dec 14, 2010 5:38 PM CST up reply actions  

well this is much better than

bears talk, weather report and Big ten talk that sunk the shit out of my thread like the iceberg vs. the titanic.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 14, 2010 5:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Let me know if you want me to post some good songs to play on bass

otherwise, I’m torn about Lee’s move. I kind of wanted him to take 140 million over 7 years, and then suck for 6-1/2 of them, along with a half dozen other schlub, flash-in-the-pan players over the next couple, planting the skankies firmly in last place.

But this works, too.

by TasteeFreeze on Dec 14, 2010 5:42 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

at the risk of sounding like a nancy

one of my favorite songs for bass is Music from Madonna.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 14, 2010 5:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't know it. I do like the bass parts for Vogue, tho.

I bet Cliff Lee does, too.

I imagine his entire decision revolves around going to series, almost for sure with Phil, and the other 3 cannons in the rotation, instead of taking the money, and carrying the Yankees to the post season every year.

by TasteeFreeze on Dec 14, 2010 5:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Its all good...this kind of stuff needs to get talked out.

What ever is going on behind the scenes is fairly vague to me still. I know what larry and people have said about what needs to change or not occur anymore but something is happening that the rest of us are not entirely privy to, i.e. tdogg saying he knows things that we don’t.

by Rhubarb on Dec 14, 2010 7:03 PM CST up reply actions  

There are certainly discussions happening off-site lately, but honestly, the only thing we know that the hoi doesn't, is the identity of our new dear leader.

As well as a basic outline of changes he/she has provided, re: what “won’t fly” around here anymore.

Other than that, what you’ve read on-site is pretty candid and accurate to what we know too. And you’ve obviously seen some confusion among the board as these things have been up in the air in recent weeks.

We were only just presented with this basic outline as of last week, and some new “duties” were established (ie; Tdogg appointed an official moderator) from there.

biceps-deep in fungible pumpkins.

by homesickalien on Dec 14, 2010 7:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I apologize for the confusion

a new leader was already picked?

The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.

by blackoutsox on Dec 14, 2010 7:18 PM CST up reply actions  

and i did not know that. sorry, tdogg. didn't know you were on the job.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Dec 14, 2010 7:27 PM CST up reply actions  

tdogg with moderating responsibility

is like giving a loaded gun to a rent-a-cop.

If is is one handed shitting. by winningugly

by mick10 on Dec 14, 2010 8:59 PM CST up reply actions  

clearly my duties

doesn’t protect me from utter…….wait

thanks for expressing your opinion.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Dec 14, 2010 9:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Cliff Lee is from New York? He has an entire city dependent on him?

That is one difference between this situation and LeBron’s. Lee didn’t go on national television and embarrass himself and his hometown either.

by 815Sox on Dec 14, 2010 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

If basketball and baseball we're similar sports.. maybe.

But they couldn’t be more different. It’s not like Cliff Lee can go out and dominate an entire post season by himself. It’s not the same dynamic. Add to that, he didn’t make an obnoxious TV show to announce his decision and it’s hard to see the comparison.

The only similarity is that both took slightly less money to play where they wanted to, but it’s a negligible amount for both of them. Not to mention Lee turned down the Yankees, it’s not like the Knicks have won a ton of championships. The Knicks are terrible. LeBron didn’t turn down the Lakers, he turned down the Cubs. A team in a big market, known for not winning. Lee would have been a part of a super team with the Yankees too.

by Grinder in Training on Dec 14, 2010 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

'not like Cliff Lee can go out and dominate an entire post season by himself'

Heh. The Yankees disagree ;-)

Like 11 hundred horses when I switch that gear
Swerve on them sorta like I missed that dear
Then I press that little button on the sit back chair!!!

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 14, 2010 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Lee did not leave his hometown and millions of people who bought his endorsed garbage over the years.

Lee is not a traitor, he promised Texas nothing. Lee didn’t even want to be traded from the Phillies in the first place. I see your argument but in my mind Lee did the right thing and is not a villain (but people in NY might disagree)…while Lebron did the wrong thing, the wrong way and IS a villain.

by Rhubarb on Dec 14, 2010 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Wrong thing for what though? For making his decision in the public eye?

I agree, he took a steaming dump on Cleveland and the Cavs on the way out (even I felt sorry for them) and he went back on his word to win them a title, but what about any of that makes him a ‘villain’? Why was he beholden to stay in that city on a team that couldn’t win with a guy that porked his mom? I don’t like LeBron and I’m not a fan of his anymore, but I don’t get some of the vitriol generated towards him. So he’s a spoiled kid who doesn’t really get it….he’s not out killing/robbing/stabbing people, doing drug/human trafficking, killing animals, opening up sweatshops, etc.

Like 11 hundred horses when I switch that gear
Swerve on them sorta like I missed that dear
Then I press that little button on the sit back chair!!!

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 14, 2010 1:34 PM CST up reply actions  

He's an idiot. What genius told him it was a smart idea to broadcast your thought process on national television?

ESPN loved it because they got huge ratings and have now spent the subsequent months ripping him to shreds. He surrounds himself with a bunch of dipshits who don’t understand that people outside of the LeBron bubble might take his actions and words the wrong way.

I agree he owed Cleveland nothing and people who talk like that are generally stupid but he deserves all the criticism.

by Ozzie Montana on Dec 14, 2010 1:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Right, so he's a jerk, but that's different from being a bad guy.

Albert Haynesworth is a bad guy, Bernie Madoff is a bad guy. LeBron is just spoiled and doesn’t get it.

Like 11 hundred horses when I switch that gear
Swerve on them sorta like I missed that dear
Then I press that little button on the sit back chair!!!

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 14, 2010 1:52 PM CST up reply actions  

All I'm saying is that he is perceived as a villain by quite a large smattering of people for going about things the wrong way.

I don’t argue that he isn’t a horrible human being like Madoff. You are putting words in mouths. This piece is also a very columnistic or opinion type piece so you can’t argue with me about the content. :0

by Rhubarb on Dec 14, 2010 1:59 PM CST up reply actions  

;-) I just don't think categorizing James as a 'villian' is fair.

Like 11 hundred horses when I switch that gear
Swerve on them sorta like I missed that dear
Then I press that little button on the sit back chair!!!

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 14, 2010 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I think you're understanding of Villian is the problem.

People are talking about it in the context of sports.. this isn’t a comic book. When someone says a guy is beast they aren’t suggesting he’s has claws and fur. When someone suggests the guy is a villain they aren’t suggesting he’s out terrorizing the neighborhood.

by Grinder in Training on Dec 14, 2010 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

this

although he cost Cleveland billions, just because he didn’t think he could win it all without other superstars and he wanted to be in a sexy, humid, beach, palm tree type climate. 2HA, don’t revert to your former self.

by Rhubarb on Dec 14, 2010 2:11 PM CST up reply actions  

(Sigh).

What part of

I don’t like LeBron and I’m not a fan of his anymore, but I don’t get some of the vitriol generated towards him

was unclear to you all? I don’t think he’s a prince, or a

Like 11 hundred horses when I switch that gear
Swerve on them sorta like I missed that dear
Then I press that little button on the sit back chair!!!

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 14, 2010 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

n evil character.

I get the context of being a ‘beast’ or ‘monster’ and all that ol’ shit (I’m well versed in hyperbole). But that’s not my point – I think that ‘villain’ carries a degree of negative connotation that isn’t necessary for people outside of Cleveland to have. Not that he doesn’t deserve booing, heckling, etc.

I guess I’m in the category of ‘LeBron defenders’ (however reluctantly) because I seem to always get into this discussion. The guy’s an immature jerk who wussed out after years of fronting like he was The Third Coming. He punked his ‘home’ town on national television. He’s got dumbasses around him who don’t really get the bigger picture. I boo’d him when I liked him as a player, and I’ll boo him even harder now. But I don’t think he’s engaged in some criminal act that demands eternal damnation as retribution, either.

Like 11 hundred horses when I switch that gear
Swerve on them sorta like I missed that dear
Then I press that little button on the sit back chair!!!

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 14, 2010 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

If thats the case then you agree with all of us then.

We don’t think he is a criminal. We think he is a douche. He is also a villain because nearly everywhere he plays now he gets booed and treated poorly because everyone realizes he is a punk. Like Montana said, he is a villain like Laimbeer, people like to hate him now but I am sure he is a decent enough guy. He is a villain in the context of sports.

by Rhubarb on Dec 14, 2010 2:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Sports are all about not wussing out though.

He’s seen as a coward and a quitter by sports fans. That is a crime in the context of sports. That’s why he’s a villain.

What makes him a villain in sports, does not make him a bad guy in normal life. He’s hated by sports fans because he basically said to them, I don’t care about the things you do. I don’t know why this is a difficult concept for you to grasp.

He’s not only a douche, he’s seen as weak. Weakness is not respected in sports. Everything celebrated in sports is the opposite of that. Playing through injuries, triumphing through adversity, yada, yada, all that bullshit.

by Grinder in Training on Dec 14, 2010 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't Beat The Hookers?

Like 11 hundred horses when I switch that gear
Swerve on them sorta like I missed that dear
Then I press that little button on the sit back chair!!!

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 14, 2010 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I felt like hating on NY and Texas in this piece

and the ensuing comments have digressed into a commentary on villainery, race and Lebron James…It is an interesting take from weavebeast that Lebron and Lee are similar and I was hoping that would be explored further. But lets hate on the Yankees, we can all agree on that right!?!

by Rhubarb on Dec 14, 2010 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I say this is front page material.

But hey, it’s me. So, wtf do I know? (So much head I woke up in Sleepy Hollow).

Like 11 hundred horses when I switch that gear
Swerve on them sorta like I missed that dear
Then I press that little button on the sit back chair!!!

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 14, 2010 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Dude.....

I hope you mean the Washingotn Irving Sleepy Hollow rather than the one by me.

by Rhubarb on Dec 14, 2010 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Double Bag The HooHooDilly?

"I don't give a flying f**k who you think I look like"

by soxrule!35 on Dec 14, 2010 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

on a sign above my door for the past three years

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Dec 14, 2010 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Big Hurt FTW

My only real sports paraphernalia outside of shirts and hats, is a full size Thomas poster.

by Grinder in Training on Dec 14, 2010 3:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Alright, I'll bite

I don’t recall what DBTH means, care to enlighten me?

It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT

by rhythm on Dec 14, 2010 7:29 PM CST up reply actions  

And yes, google is my friend.

“Don’t believe the hype” for those out there with similarly bad memories.

It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT

by rhythm on Dec 14, 2010 7:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks

In Hawaii now, off to see if I can rent a board for the next week ;)

BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT

by rhythm on Dec 14, 2010 7:36 PM CST up reply actions  

its nothing close to warm

and sux if the swells arent there, but in the right conditions, you’d probly enjoy Tofino

"Statistics are about as interesting as first base coaches" Jim Bouton

by Grinder Rule #42 on Dec 15, 2010 10:32 AM CST up reply actions  

.

"Statistics are about as interesting as first base coaches" Jim Bouton

by Grinder Rule #42 on Dec 14, 2010 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

This any good?

Haven’t heard this one…

by 815Sox on Dec 14, 2010 4:49 PM CST up reply actions  

its one of his best

imo…

has a great kool kieth cut too

"Statistics are about as interesting as first base coaches" Jim Bouton

by Grinder Rule #42 on Dec 14, 2010 4:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Laimbeer was a cheap-shot goon

James just made an incredibly stupid PR decision to grab a pile of ESPN money. I suppose he could have also conducted one of those 1-900-number “polls” of where all fans want him to go, where every call to call to vote costs money…that LeBron gets. That’s about 20 years old, now, I guess they do the same thing with texts.

by TasteeFreeze on Dec 14, 2010 6:30 PM CST up reply actions  

People don't like those guys either.

You can be disliked for a lot of reasons. You don’t have to be a murderer or thief to be disliked.

by Grinder in Training on Dec 14, 2010 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

anti-semite.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Dec 14, 2010 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

haynesworth isn't a "bad guy", he's just a lazy spoiled assclown.

I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.

by thatshortkid on Dec 14, 2010 4:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Stomping on another players head

while they are on the ground with their helmet off makes you a ‘bad’ guy.

"I don't give a flying f**k who you think I look like"

by soxrule!35 on Dec 14, 2010 4:07 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

against the cowboys. an understandable move.

I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.

by thatshortkid on Dec 14, 2010 4:15 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

hah!

The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.

by blackoutsox on Dec 14, 2010 4:15 PM CST up reply actions  

point taken

rec

"I don't give a flying f**k who you think I look like"

by soxrule!35 on Dec 14, 2010 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

beat me to it!!

"I don't give a flying f**k who you think I look like"

by soxrule!35 on Dec 14, 2010 3:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey guys, Yankee fan here; I was just wondering whether you are open to trading Jake Peavy and what you would want in exchange for him?

by KingHenrik on Dec 14, 2010 3:28 PM CST reply actions  

I'll let our guru's handle this question

but I’ll bet we would make you overpay. Tdogg, U-God, larry?

by Rhubarb on Dec 14, 2010 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I also was curious whether the consensus is that he will be ready for opening day or not?

by KingHenrik on Dec 14, 2010 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

It is unclear but all signs point to no. We are talking maybe June.

but some speculate he may be ready sooner than that. I believe it was recently reported his lat muscle resembled a raisin…because it had atrophied so bad but rehabbing is his only job until he can pitch. I’m pretty sure Cashman wouldn’t want him.

by Rhubarb on Dec 14, 2010 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Yea I don’t think the yankees would give up any assets if that’s the case. It’s a shame, I had Peavy on my fantasy team and I stuck with him and was very happy to see him post those numbers in June, and then that injury happened; I thought he was going to be ready to start the season when I read about it in July though.

by KingHenrik on Dec 14, 2010 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

it sounds like he may miss approximately the first month

although he is on the fast track right now

The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.

by blackoutsox on Dec 14, 2010 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

we'll take gardner

If is is one handed shitting. by winningugly

by mick10 on Dec 14, 2010 9:03 PM CST up reply actions  

aaand bumped by larry!

The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.

by blackoutsox on Dec 14, 2010 3:43 PM CST reply actions  

why did this one get FP'd anyway?

Since the playoff gamethreads ended, I don’t think we’ve had one that wasn’t Sox or SSS related.

I shant be misled a second time

by Nordhagen on Dec 14, 2010 4:14 PM CST up reply actions  

secondhalf had writers block

The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.

by blackoutsox on Dec 14, 2010 4:16 PM CST up reply actions  

play-on-word jokes

substituting ‘cock’ for ‘writers’ in 4,3,2….

Like 11 hundred horses when I switch that gear
Swerve on them sorta like I missed that dear
Then I press that little button on the sit back chair!!!

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 14, 2010 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

secondhalf had cock block

The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.

by blackoutsox on Dec 14, 2010 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

lol.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Dec 14, 2010 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

i thought it was well-written

and we needed something new

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Dec 14, 2010 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm fine with the fanpost. Well worth reading.

Its an editorial decision. I don’t know the rules/ramifications for promoting a fanpost. One rule, I think, is freshness. It was newer than the Donny Lucy news.

I thought another rule might be “Sox-related,” which it wasnt. And it drew a Yankees fan in, GAH!

No matter. We should probably just move the conversation along…

I shant be misled a second time

by Nordhagen on Dec 14, 2010 5:06 PM CST up reply actions  

it seemed a shame to me to leave it on the RR

it was really well-written and rec’d by quite a few people. while it isn’t white sox-related, it is pretty big baseball news.

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Dec 14, 2010 5:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I think 'well written'

is enough of a justification for bumping it. And anything to encourage Rhubarb to do more fanposts is cool with me.

"I don't give a flying f**k who you think I look like"

by soxrule!35 on Dec 14, 2010 5:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Door Prize: Mark Prior
Mark Prior has reached agreement on a minor league deal with New York Yankees, source says

http://twitter.com/jcrasnick

by 815Sox on Dec 14, 2010 5:29 PM CST reply actions  

He seems a lot skinnier these days.

I wonder why….(cough).

Like 11 hundred horses when I switch that gear
Swerve on them sorta like I missed that dear
Then I press that little button on the sit back chair!!!

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 14, 2010 5:45 PM CST up reply actions  

nah, that was already cured today

The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.

by blackoutsox on Dec 14, 2010 5:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Why? He didn't cure it and he's not the Berlin Patient, at least as far as I know.

Like 11 hundred horses when I switch that gear
Swerve on them sorta like I missed that dear
Then I press that little button on the sit back chair!!!

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 14, 2010 6:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I bet this has made you happy.

The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.

by blackoutsox on Dec 14, 2010 6:12 PM CST up reply actions  

That one of the worst diseases the world has ever seen may be on the verge of being stopped?

Yes, as a human being this made me happy.

Like 11 hundred horses when I switch that gear
Swerve on them sorta like I missed that dear
Then I press that little button on the sit back chair!!!

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 14, 2010 6:16 PM CST up reply actions  

You'd be surprised at the number of Boston hats in

that part of Lakeview.

Like 11 hundred horses when I switch that gear
Swerve on them sorta like I missed that dear
Then I press that little button on the sit back chair!!!

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 14, 2010 6:21 PM CST up reply actions  

now this guy knows funny

The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.

by blackoutsox on Dec 14, 2010 6:23 PM CST up reply actions  

It's "cured" when you don't have to be a billionaire to afford treatment.

Cliff Lee could get La Sita, and still be able to play, with his new paycheck.

(just keeping my posts on topic – I know I do tend to wander)

by TasteeFreeze on Dec 14, 2010 6:22 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah that was bad

The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.

by blackoutsox on Dec 14, 2010 6:23 PM CST up reply actions  

S'all good.

I knew what you meant.

Like 11 hundred horses when I switch that gear
Swerve on them sorta like I missed that dear
Then I press that little button on the sit back chair!!!

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 14, 2010 6:24 PM CST up reply actions  

the yankees didnt even want cliff lee

they wanted mark prior and got him. But really who would want cliff lee over prior anyway?

i loooooooove cotton candy

by 23chisox14 on Dec 14, 2010 10:39 PM CST reply actions  

hmmm. From Neyer's piece on Crawford

We do have some stuff, though. We know that Bill rated Crawford as just the fifth-best left fielder in the majors when he filled out his Fielding Bible ballot (almost every other voter had Crawford first or second). We know, from the baserunning section in The Bill James Handbook, that Crawford grounded into only two double lays in 132 double-play situations; he was the toughest in the majors to double up. Also, Bill writes, “Including stolen base attempts, the best baserunner in the majors was Juan Pierre — +54 bases. The top five were Juan Pierre, Carl Crawford, Brett Gardner, Elvis Andrus, and Michael Bourn.”

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Dec 14, 2010 11:04 PM CST reply actions  

If you recall

Pierre kind of took a beating early in the season on this site about how he was “slow” and had lost quite a bit of his speed.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Dec 14, 2010 11:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Can't steal first base!

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Dec 14, 2010 11:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Heh, tell that to AJ.

I was hard on Pierre. And his first half was certainly not good. But he turned it on both on the paths and at the plate in the second half. He made some, shall we say, second half adjustments.

I still want pop in LF though ;-)

"BWAHAHAHA! WELCOME TO PURGATORY, ASSHOLE!" - winningugly

by RWShow on Dec 14, 2010 11:16 PM CST up reply actions  

hitting .200 helped that

The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.

by blackoutsox on Dec 14, 2010 11:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I have never been in a "double lay" situation.

Still trying mightily for the “single Jewish lay”.

uncertainty is a bitch. by larry on Dec 8, 2010 11:51 AM EST

by winningugly on Dec 15, 2010 7:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Beautiful,

though I would not know. Face has not melted yet.

uncertainty is a bitch. by larry on Dec 8, 2010 11:51 AM EST

by winningugly on Dec 15, 2010 9:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Per WU: Link, pls.

Reward your sources.

Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death

by Hazymania on Dec 15, 2010 10:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, Tdogg.

Fer Chrissakes.

uncertainty is a bitch. by larry on Dec 8, 2010 11:51 AM EST

by winningugly on Dec 15, 2010 11:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Oops

LINKT

Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death

by Hazymania on Dec 15, 2010 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

thanx for that

"Statistics are about as interesting as first base coaches" Jim Bouton

by Grinder Rule #42 on Dec 15, 2010 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

could not have said better myself

For so many reasons I can’t thank him enough for taking this deal. Shows that not everyone in position of obtaining the money is operating with the mindset of take as much as you can no matter what. I hope to see more examples like this in the future.

Taking a walk in a donkey park listening to the wind of change

by LT_sox_fan on Dec 15, 2010 1:39 AM CST reply actions  

He didn't turn down that much more money, frankly this is more about spurning the Yankees.

I’m happy he pissed off an entitled fanbase but sticking around with Texas would have been a move worthy of admiration. All Lee did was join another really good team with deep pockets.

by Ozzie Montana on Dec 15, 2010 9:21 AM CST up reply actions  

key point - there was more to take

and he didn’t. To you and many it was more about spurning the Yankees, sure.

Taking a walk in a donkey park listening to the wind of change

by LT_sox_fan on Dec 15, 2010 10:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Hey, a Yankees news thread! Perfect place for this piece of strangeness:

Olney was previewing his column via Twitter. I won’t pony up for a Booyah paywall, so I don’t know the explanation for this insanity, but…

…the Yankees should talk to CC Sabathia right now about an extension…

2016 will be here before ya know it, Buster!

"BWAHAHAHA! WELCOME TO PURGATORY, ASSHOLE!" - winningugly

by RWShow on Dec 15, 2010 10:03 AM CST reply actions  

CC has an opt out after next year I believe

Either way, he’ll probably exercise it and hold the Yankees hostage for an even bigger contract. That is the gist of what Buster said.

"I don't give a flying f**k who you think I look like"

by soxrule!35 on Dec 15, 2010 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

For whatever it's worth, he is on record as saying he doesn't plan on opting out.

Again, for whatever that is worth.

Nicki she just mad cuz you took the spot
Word that chick mad cuz I took the spot?
Well b***h if you ain't sh***n' then get off the pot

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 15, 2010 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

MNF outside in Minnesota.

As the football Gods intended.

i'm eager to see which of you is going to put his jacket down first so as to ensure the other’s dress doesn’t get wet. by craigws

by e-gus on Dec 15, 2010 12:11 PM CST reply actions  

I don't think God ever intended for football in Minnesota, per se.

It’s why he’s cursed the University of Minnesota, screwed the Vikings last year and took a snow dump on the Metrodome this year.

Nicki she just mad cuz you took the spot
Word that chick mad cuz I took the spot?
Well b***h if you ain't sh***n' then get off the pot

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 15, 2010 12:18 PM CST up reply actions  

But he did intend baseball?

Color me confused.

Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death

by Hazymania on Dec 15, 2010 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

God didn't, Jesus did.

Witness the Twins success in the regular season (Jesus love), failure in the post season (God hate), forced to play in the Metrodome (God hate again) and the gorgeous Target Field (Jesus love).

Nicki she just mad cuz you took the spot
Word that chick mad cuz I took the spot?
Well b***h if you ain't sh***n' then get off the pot

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 15, 2010 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Bronco Nagurski went to Minnesota.

Of course the football Gods intended it to be played there and outdoors.

i'm eager to see which of you is going to put his jacket down first so as to ensure the other’s dress doesn’t get wet. by craigws

by e-gus on Dec 15, 2010 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

William "Pudge" Heffelfinger gives him a run for it.

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Dec 15, 2010 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

i believe it's spelled perry.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Dec 15, 2010 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

i always loved the name sonny sixkiller

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Dec 15, 2010 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought it was 'He Hate Me'

Until I am told differently, I will assume the Rhubarb Clause is in full effect.
by Rhubarb on Dec 15, 2010 1:12 PM CST

by Rhubarb on Dec 15, 2010 3:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Tunch Ilkin gives him a run for his money.

uncertainty is a bitch. by larry on Dec 8, 2010 11:51 AM EST

by winningugly on Dec 15, 2010 3:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Dick Butkus

some bear fans there are here

The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.

by blackoutsox on Dec 15, 2010 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

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