White Sox Pick Up Option on Alexei Ramirez
Kenny Williams is getting his ducks in a row before the Winter Meetings -- jettisoning Jenks, picking up Pierzynski, getting Dunn's deal -- and now picking up the no-brainer $2.75M option on Alexei Ramirez. It's a good bet that the KW and Ramirez come to terms on a long-term deal before camp is over.
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I would think
that they’d want to wait until a little bit into the season to talk to him about an extension. Save a few more bucks for free-agent signings/trades.
hes already being paid 2.75 million this year
the extension would kick in next year
The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.
they don't like to talk in-season extensions
only did it with Buehrle because the alternative was Buehrle in a different color Sox
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they need to get el duque back to get the extension.
or was contreras the guy that hand delivered alexei?
i'm eager to see which of you is going to put his jacket down first so as to ensure the other’s dress doesn’t get wet. by craigws
Count, IIRC.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
if anyone has espn insider
what does keith law say beyond this:
In the short term, signing Adam Dunn for four years and $56 million looks really, really good for Chicago. The White Sox add a player who, with a career-low 67 unintentional walks last season, would still have led the team in that category. They add an extreme fly ball hitter to a ballpark noted for turning fly balls into home runs. And they keep Dunn away from the outfield, preferably away from the field entirely. Chicago got an unacceptable line of .247 AVG/.332 OBP/.396 SLG from its DH spot in 2010, a line boosted by about 150 at-bats from Paul Konerko and Manny Ramirez, both now free agents. Dunn hasn’t posted an OBP under .350 or slugged under .490 in the past seven seasons, and if he doesn’t pick up a glove but rolls out there for 600 plate appearances, he’s probably a four-win upgrade for Chicago.
"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Dec 3, 2010 2:25 AM CST reply actions
not much else really
its probably a good move, but they’re going to be paying for his initial decline years.
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
or was that fangraphs?
i dont remember
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
in a nutshell
it makes them better now, will cost alot, and he thinks they might have overpaid, because he didn’t see “any other teams holding an empty bag” after he’d been signed. he doesn’t see any here, and thinks the sox might have overpaid / bid against themselves / there wasn’t much of a market for Dunn.
Hope he’s not writing the 2011 White Sox Anal too. -Sox Machine
oh hey there SSS night crew
The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.
Ron Santo dead.
Let’s keep any comments respectful.
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by Chiburb on Dec 3, 2010 6:00 AM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Agreed - and he did spend a year on the south side.
He will get the moment of silence on Opening Day.
Personally – I got to meet him a couple of times in connection with my line of work. Indulged my questions about playing for Chuck Tanner, DH’ing, etc. A very nice guy.
A lot has been said about the groans, the cheers, and the OH NOOOO! But the world of baseball broadcasting is full of dull white people. Santo wasn’t one of ’em.
The guy at the bank doesn't care how many trophies you've got!
by 67WMAQ on Dec 3, 2010 6:11 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Yep. And I believe he deserved HOF membership.
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by Chiburb on Dec 3, 2010 6:17 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
he spent most of the 60's playing at an MVP level
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1011447&position=3B
Fireworks: Bang?
Bill James on Santo and the HOF:
Players who were nowhere near as good as Ron Santo were elected to the Hall of Fame in the 1960s, players who were nowhere near as good as Ron Santo were elected to the Hall of Fame in the 1970s (lots of them), players who were nowhere near as good as Ron Santo were elected into the Hall of Fame in the 1980s, and players who were nowhere near as good as Ron Santo were elected to the Hall of Fame in the 1990s…. Look, certain things just do not happen. Rivers do not run uphill, iron does not become gold, time does not go backward, whores do not become virgins, pigs do not give birth to lions, supermodels do not marry auto mechanics, and politicians do not forget about the next election. There is no alchemy by which the Hall of Fame may become what it never has been. Ron Santo towers far above the real standard for the Hall of Fame."
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Damn, that 1967 season...wow....
that’s amazing.
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 3, 2010 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
that despite playing in the worst environment for hitting in the modern era
per Chiburb’s link, hitters averaged .268/.333/.399 while Santo played.
Fireworks: Bang?
Yeesh.
Guy was a hell of a player.
Your 2011 White Sox: DONKEY KONG!!!!
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 3, 2010 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
He should clearly be in.
I always thought the thing that killed his chances was that 3 of his teammates and his manager were already in the HOF, but the team never won anything. It’s a shame, because he was legitimately great.
by The Actual El Guapo on Dec 3, 2010 11:35 PM CST up reply actions
Hear, Hear!
"I was the nicest Hitler ever, pulling out chairs for old women and what not." -Rhubarb
by South Side Expat on Dec 3, 2010 6:20 AM CST up reply actions
I always loved Ron Santo. Loved listening to him call a game.
He deserved the HOF. IF they elected him now, I hope his wife tells them to shove it.
Agreed with everything said here
Sounds like he was a classy guy, from a few people I know who’ve met him. Enjoyed hearing him call Cub games. He had a great rapport with Hughes and deserves to be in the HOF.
RIP
Here's looking at you Ron
Have fun in the cornfields of Iowa, run like the wind. I did not have you in my deadpool picks this year.
Maybe he'll now make the Hall.
His numbers are not bad. And the diabetic thing was quite an obstacle. I’d do it.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
after such a battle for the hall of fame while he was alive
it just seems wrong to put him in now that he’s dead.
Kenwo4life=ratings
Can't say I cared much for his announcing style
but he seemed like a good guy. R.I.P. Santo.
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
by U-God on Dec 3, 2010 8:08 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
R.I.P.
But Cubs games just got a whole lot easier to listen to. He was an awful broadcaster.
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 3, 2010 8:53 AM CST up reply actions
umm we of all teams really don't get to say that.
:-)
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
by Tdogg on Dec 3, 2010 8:56 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
As bad as Hawk is,
at least he knows the team the White Sox are playing. He knows the players on the field. He knows the situations of the game. Santo did not pay attention to the game in front of him.
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 3, 2010 9:02 AM CST up reply actions
yes we do. game (or lack thereof) recognizes game.
I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.
long live the Hawk!
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
Speak the truth, get ridiculed.
People suddenly become dishonest and overly-sensitive when strangers die.
X__Adam Dunn_________________
while i don't think what 2ndhalf says is an inappropriate opinion to have.
there is a time and a place for expressing things. while the guy’s body is still warm probably isn’t one of them.
larry = Randall P. McMurphy, post surgery.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
by winningugly on Dec 3, 2010 6:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, you're right: people do get that way indeed. But it ain't for the dead guy, it's for (in this case) his fans, his family, and baseball in general.
There ARE times when you shouldn’t say anything if you don’t have anything nice to say.
Intoxicated with the wine of cloaking powers and the gin of banning authority since 2005.
Ron Santo was a wonderful baseball player who over came an incredibly debilitating physical handicap
and a genuinely nice guy. I don’t deny that, i don’t take anything away from what he did or was.
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 3, 2010 9:19 AM CST up reply actions
The point is, despite your views of Ronnie's broadcasting skills, which many here probably share,
what entitles you to point out the obvious mere hours after his death? Basically who gives a shit what you think of him?
The fact is despite being a goof he enriched and touched the lives of thousands more people than you or I ever will
in and out of baseball and he deserves some respect.
who really gives a shit what any of us think?
this is the internet.
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 3, 2010 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
al yellon
"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Dec 3, 2010 9:33 AM CST up reply actions
Speaking of Big Brother
I am now faced with a difficult decision at work.
Do I block SOUTHSIDESOX.COM at the job!!!!
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
wouldn't that block your access as well?
If so, asked and answered.
Hells No!!!
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
What kind of stuff do you normally filter?
at my work (I’m in IT), we filter the standard porn, gambling, drug sites, but all news/social-media/time-wasting/shopping are allowed. Its basically a “protect the company from legal problems” policy. Its not like people who waste time on the net at the expense of their productivity escape it for long. And we do log all internet usage if we do need it.
Besides, my company is usually way more concerned with users using Dropbox to remove proprietary content than internet usage. Which is stupid because there are a jillion ways to get files out anyway.
I shant be misled a second time
I didn't think it would generate this much of a response.
I don’t think it’s disrespectful to point out the truth. He was an amazing baseball player. I’m sorry to anyone who was offended.
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 3, 2010 9:33 AM CST up reply actions
I don't see the uproar.
I personally have only heard him broadcast maybe 5 minutes. So I can only go on other’s opinions of his broadcasting skills. However…
Being such an awful broadcaster in many’s opinions I think is what made him who he is. He was Ron Santo… great baseball player, and (probably) a terrible broadcaster. We should embrace both of those aspects when remembering the type of person he was. But we should also embrace the fact that he was a die-hard Cubs fan, despite witnessing over half a century of inept baseball, even unto his death, and for that he deserves the utmost respect and pity.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 3, 2010 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
Awwww, was planning to request the same.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 3, 2010 10:12 AM CST up reply actions
and the sig returns.
thought better of that fanshot? i laughed when i saw someone else link it.
i wish you’d have made a smartass comment about it.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
It's been back for a while. Felt more defensive in the moment than smartassy, though I had plenty of responses.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 3, 2010 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
Terrible broadcaster but anyone who remains that passionate and loyal to one sports team is a good guy.
Him, Hawk and Red Kerr were our links to the past.
TS% = Thabo Sefolosha percentage. It calculates how much you can be like Thabo Sefolosha. That’s why Keith Bogans is at 70%.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 3, 2010 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
Ditto, what I just said above.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 3, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
whoops
feel free to delete previous comment if you wish
The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.
shit, it may as well be honus wagner off of walter johnson :)
"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Dec 3, 2010 7:27 AM CST up reply actions
no Perry threw right handed
/rimshot
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
Speaking of the Deadpool...
My wife’s uncle Clay has been running it for 34 years. Pick 10 people you think will die in 2011. Winner has the most people dead. Winner takes all. Hit me up at my email if you want a PDF of the entry form. Its only 5 dollars. I get it if your value system is compromised but there are 80 year old grandmothers that participate. Over a hundred people were in last years.
thats so sick
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
I will never play such a game
I have nightmares of Clint Eastwood’s Deadpool. Some people just really want to win.
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
Its only famous people, that will be reported in wiki, newspaper or tv.
People are going to die anyway.
It appeared you thought I was serious.
Wanting to win so bad you knock people off…
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
You ever see the movie Dead Pool?
Actually Clint got a little freaky.
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
Never seen or heard of it.
I wrote a story where a girl is about to committ suicide n her room but her cruel boyfriend comes home and finds her in the act. He says, what are you doing! Its your birthday come to the living room. She walks out and there is 100 people there screaming “Surprise!”. She is so elated since her life had been shit lately. At the end of the party she sees her boyfriend paying each guest as they leave, saying yeah thanks for coming. It turns out the boyfriend is involved in a stock market type deadpool ran in the seedy underbelly of their small town and he was trying to raise her stock. He keeps bringing her back from the brink of suicide until he eventually murders her.
That's.... kind of ridiculous Rhube.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 3, 2010 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
Hey where are all the folks who cried the White Sox budget was blown
because they spent 4 million on Manny last year? Huh?
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
Relieved, I'm sure.
They were (rightfully) concerned that such an expenditure would prevent a Dunn-type of signing.
X__Adam Dunn_________________
Concerned is one thing
I believe some said they “knew” it would impact this year’s budget.
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
i wasn't crying poor
but i had no idea JR would open the wallet as wide as he seems to be doing. i, for one, fucking love it.
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
So you're saying he's in your 2011 deadpool?
by CatBrains on Dec 3, 2010 10:40 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Very sneaky, that lawyer larry.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 3, 2010 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
Yup.
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 3, 2010 9:35 AM CST up reply actions
I don't know, but I hope they're back for next season's gamethreads.
I really grew to love knowing exactly how much we pay for each HR, RBI, and AB.
by 3E8 on Dec 3, 2010 9:37 AM CST up reply actions
Right here.
I don’t see how this Dunn signing proves your point, or disproves mine.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 3, 2010 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
You and I have no idea about the budget structure or insight into Jerry's wallet.
What you and I both argue is pure speculation.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 3, 2010 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
I think the point was pretty clear I implied
Manny’s signing had very little to do with the amount of money that the Sox would spend this year budget wise. Now you’re just being difficult. Others seem to understand that.
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
It is possible that Jerry had set aside (budgeted) a certain amount to be used in 2010 for such expenditures
And it’s possible he wrote that money off, and that money was going to be spent on something. That is possible. I don’t deny that.
But there was always an option to hold that money, not spend it, and apply it towards the 2011 budget.
If one has a limited amount of money (as JR must) then pissing on some of it doesn’t make much sense, when that money can be saved and later spent on something more useful.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 3, 2010 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
Or, you know, added it to the offer for Konerko, or signed any number of FA relievers.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 4, 2010 10:41 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, and that was money well spent.
I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
mlbtr: O's offered dunn 4 years/$40 mill prior to dunn agreeing to the sox offer
"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Dec 3, 2010 9:07 AM CST reply actions
i mean, for one it's mlbtr, and two, if the sox offered closer to the O's offer
another team could have swooped with offer similar to the 4/56..
"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Dec 3, 2010 9:38 AM CST up reply actions
4/40??? Wow.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 3, 2010 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
Is okay for me to lam-bast
the Nationals now? Maybe I just don’t understand the math well enough of the 2 picks but I think these goofs have now mishandled an obvious trade piece twice (Dunn-Soriano).
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
Psht. How dare you be disrespectful.
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 3, 2010 9:50 AM CST up reply actions
You know, I didn't care much for Santo, but comparing him to the Nationals is the ultimate insult.
You, sir, should be ashamed of yourself.
X__Adam Dunn_________________
(Sniffle)
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 3, 2010 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
Aye-aye. That douchenozzle in Washington is either an arrogant prick, or an inept prick.
Either way, he’s bolloxed this situation up pretty good.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 3, 2010 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
two different GMs
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
Oh, right. I was referring mostly to the Dunn scenario though.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 3, 2010 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
No new content in nine hours?
Pssh, this place is going to shit.
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