Bobby Jenks Says "Thanks For The Memories"
"Chicago will be in my heart for the rest of my career and probably the rest of my life," Jenks said. "I will never forget the first six years of my career in Chicago.
"In my heart, I was born an Angel, but my first chance I got was from the White Sox. If I'm not there this year and the following years, it will be sad, but there always will be a place in my heart and my family's heart where I know and we know they were always the first. If things don't work out, it's just unfortunate they won't be the last."
"But if this is goodbye, I wish I had something more romantic, but slow down, drive safe and see you on the other side of the fence."
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Bobby, you will always be special to me too
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
by Ahillock on Dec 6, 2010 2:27 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
if by "other side of the fence"
you mean the future home runs the sox hit off you in the 9th to regain the lead, then see you there
"Statistics are about as interesting as first base coaches" Jim Bouton
by Grinder Rule #42 on Dec 6, 2010 2:31 PM CST reply actions
Or maybe the bullpen fence if they re-sign him.
Intoxicated with the wine of cloaking powers and the gin of banning authority since 2005.
wager on this?
"Statistics are about as interesting as first base coaches" Jim Bouton
by Grinder Rule #42 on Dec 6, 2010 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
Nothing would surprise me this year.
Bobby may settle for a $5M deal, and be perfect as the “closer” leaving Thornton/Sale/Serge for higher leverage situations (even the 9th at times).
No bet, but wouldn’t surprise.
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by Chiburb on Dec 6, 2010 4:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
i hear ya...
his sentiment will be put to the test if hes made an offer by the sox….
if by chance he goes elsewhere, i wouldnt mind seeing her in the pen
"Statistics are about as interesting as first base coaches" Jim Bouton
by Grinder Rule #42 on Dec 6, 2010 4:27 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
the good news is that she could use bobby's old sports bras.
by craigws on Dec 6, 2010 4:30 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
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"Statistics are about as interesting as first base coaches" Jim Bouton
by Grinder Rule #42 on Dec 6, 2010 4:36 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks for the new background. The girlfriend will be unable to use my laptop from now on, however.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 6, 2010 10:52 PM CST up reply actions
Keys plastered together?
X__Adam Dunn_________________
by RWShow on Dec 7, 2010 2:02 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That's always been the case.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 7, 2010 9:02 AM CST up reply actions
Good luck bobby
Maybe if you would have stuck with a fastball/curveball combo… you would have been worth the arb money. Maybe you didn’t blow a ton of saves this past year, but you blew enough leads, and it ended up costing us the division. Maybe I went from your supporter to wishing you farewell, and this transformation happened in a matter of weeks.
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 6, 2010 2:49 PM CST reply actions
ah well.
Heard this: Good progress being made by D-backs to bring J.J. Putz in as potential closer.
http://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN/status/11881326856634368
i suppose if they are paying him closer money he’d be too expensive to bring back anyways.
well that sucks
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
How long before there's no such thing as "closer money"? Or that the Thornton's of the world are your highest paid relievers?
Before teams wake up to “protecting a 3 run lead in the 9th” isn’t worth millions?
Why in the world do the D-Backs or Royals need a closer?
Intoxicated with the wine of cloaking powers and the gin of banning authority since 2005.
there should probably
just be “mariano money” and then pay every other reliever dependent ’pon their actual performance as opposed to abstract notions.
i suppose you could argue that is always useful for the likes of the d-backs and royals to have a closer to use as mid-season trade bait.
Good point re bait.
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by Chiburb on Dec 6, 2010 4:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
"Chicago White Sox. Disfruta Nuestro Ritmo."
"Statistics are about as interesting as first base coaches" Jim Bouton
by Grinder Rule #42 on Dec 6, 2010 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
D-Backs had the worst bullpen in the majors, iirc.
I want to say their bullpen lost them at least a dozen games. WAR, SNLVR, etc be damned.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 6, 2010 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
It sounds like a lot, yeah... but their bullpen was atrocious.
If you swap their bullpen with, say, the Yankees, I think their record improves by double digits. The stats will probably be a lot more conservative, but the eye test says differently.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 7, 2010 9:05 AM CST up reply actions
shouldnt have traded Pena then
The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.
OT
which one of you stole my danny duberstein mantra and started posting nonsense over at MLBTR?
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 6, 2010 2:55 PM CST reply actions
Dear Bobby- If you do end up somewhere else, please make sure to Clean Your Damn Hat!
You and your love of Moon Pies will be fondly remembered forever for 2005.
".... and in closing, lick. my. balls." - U God
Heard on THE SCORE a few min. ago that Kenny wants Konerko to make up his mind by the end of today.
Kenny and his freakin deadlines
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
well if he doesnt make up his mind by then, then I guess there's no chance he is coming back
The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.
Kenny said that? Cowley 'reported' that? You 'heard' that? You heard Cowley report that Kenny said it?
Intoxicated with the wine of cloaking powers and the gin of banning authority since 2005.
no i heard the update guy on the score report that cowley reported that kenny said it now im telling you guys
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
Ok, now I'm convinced!
Intoxicated with the wine of cloaking powers and the gin of banning authority since 2005.
glad i could clear things up for ya
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
glad i could clear things up for ya
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
Stop being so polite
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 6, 2010 10:56 PM CST up reply actions
here:
Sox players I’ve spoken to are still hearing that PK deal will happen. It better happen soon, because KW now has a Plan B in case.
http://twitter.com/cst_sox/status/11872505446797312
though it doesn’t say anything about an actual deadline.
LaRoche? Lee? Pena?
The list isn’t very long at this point is it?
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
I'd like to think we were still in on Gonzalez or Fielder.
I still like Luke Scott and Choo or Rasmus………lots of possibilities.
If is is one handed shitting. by winningugly
We were in on Gonzo
but Boston’s offer was better. So we got Dunn.
Your 2011 White Sox: DONKEY KONG!!!!
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 7, 2010 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
Kotchman duh
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Dec 6, 2010 8:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
From Scott Merkin!!!!
According to @Bnightengale, White Sox were runners up for Adrian Gonzalez, offering Gordon Beckham and prospects
Hope he’s not writing the 2011 White Sox Anal too. -Sox Machine
Nightengale taught Rogers everything he knows.
Intoxicated with the wine of cloaking powers and the gin of banning authority since 2005.
That would mean Rogers breaks real news.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
But not everything Nightengale knows.
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by Chiburb on Dec 6, 2010 4:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Somebody is taking crazy pills.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 6, 2010 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
if that's true, that makes the Padres dumb as hell.
so i’m going with “did not actually occur”
Fireworks: Bang?
Well, the entirety system is garbage relative to the BoSox prospects
Sans the untradeable Chris Sale. How else do you manage to compete when competing with teams that have at least halfway decent prospects to offer?
The world needs the Jedi now more than ever
i thought the BoSox prospect package was pretty weak
seemed to me that anyone could match that. Morel has to be as good a prospect as Casey Kelly.
Fireworks: Bang?
Depends on the scouts
The players involved all have a lot of time to develop and are all toolsheds. I agree they should have taken Beckham if they could and likely could have gotten more than they did.
by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 6, 2010 8:10 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, Morel's better.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 6, 2010 10:58 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Pretty sure it's Teahen's fault.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 6, 2010 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
you mean espy's fault
afterall, he does all his twatterin for him
"Statistics are about as interesting as first base coaches" Jim Bouton
by Grinder Rule #42 on Dec 6, 2010 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
and right field and batter and and and.....
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
Tdogg: why is email to you bouncing as "unknown"?
Times are tough all over, but if you sell off a few of those 40 acres…
Just sayin’
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by Chiburb on Dec 6, 2010 5:23 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Probably to a Korean....
".... and in closing, lick. my. balls." - U God
by DrEmilioLizardo on Dec 6, 2010 11:26 PM CST up reply actions
Hello Bobby!
Hee
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by Chiburb on Dec 6, 2010 5:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
lets get things moving here
i expected to have konerko, crawford and r. soriano by now. what gives kenny. jerk.
Kenwo4life=ratings
But where would he play?
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 6, 2010 11:00 PM CST up reply actions
flagged
for posting a picture of that worthless plagiarising cunt.
by craigws on Dec 6, 2010 11:15 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
he does suck
i'm eager to see which of you is going to put his jacket down first so as to ensure the other’s dress doesn’t get wet. by craigws
I hate him.
And that Gabriel Iglesias guy. Hmm…I can’t stand Lopez either. I just realized I might be racist.
OzzieOzzieOzzie: What's the first thing you're gonna do when you get there?
MannyTheTorpedoes: play rly good then stop, hate u an take ur monies
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Dec 7, 2010 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
No. Those Hispanics just aren't funny.
Your 2011 White Sox: DONKEY KONG!!!!
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 7, 2010 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
Kenwo demanding Konerko.
Never thought I’d live to see the day…
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 6, 2010 5:55 PM CST up reply actions
well if youre gunna go all in go all in....
doesn’t necessarily have to be konerko…. but they better get someone else.
Kenwo4life=ratings
manny acta is dressed like a clown.
embarrassing.
i am a bark for buffeting. i am a hound for thornypaws. i am a doe for swiftness. i am a tree for wind-siege. i am a windmill. i am a hole in a wall.
playing fantasy GM... How bouts a Q for Broxton
http://scott-miller.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6270335/26282297
Kenwo4life=ratings
couple questions
depends on what you think about Teahen, for one. and do the Dodgers need another outfielder? they Sox would only be adding $2M in payroll (i don’t feel like figuring out those escalators in Broxton’s deal), but i could definitely see the Dodgers being uninterested in Q.
Fireworks: Bang?
I could definitely see the Dodgers being interested in Q. They're in need of an outfielder.
Not for Broxton, though.
by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 6, 2010 8:14 PM CST up reply actions
If they're comfortable with that, cool.
I doubt they are.
by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 6, 2010 8:30 PM CST up reply actions
UGH
I'D LIKE TO APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE FOR MY BEHAVIOR!! I DAYDREAM WITH THE BEST OF THEM.......
by pierzynskirules on Dec 6, 2010 6:55 PM CST up reply actions
NEEDS MOAR EYELASHES
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Dec 6, 2010 7:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Why don't ya just outright call him a "filthy Dago?"
I swear, new SSS my ass. Just as much as stereotyping as old SSS.
"I was the nicest Hitler ever, pulling out chairs for old women and what not." -Rhubarb
by South Side Expat on Dec 7, 2010 12:16 AM CST up reply actions
WU hasn't commented in over 24 hours.
Is it odd that this extremely rare event coincides with that article?
thoughts? only a mil more than we paid him last year.
Putz breakdown with #Diamondbacks: 2 yrs, 10M. 4M in 11, 4.5M in 12, 6.5M club option or 1.5M buyout. Max 15M over 3 yrs.
http://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/11949714438103040
wouldn’t have wanted the third year option, wary after linebrink.
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When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
What does a deliciously toasted BLT have to do with Putz's contract?
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 6, 2010 11:14 PM CST up reply actions
sandwich pick
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
always gotta be the clever one, huh
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 7, 2010 9:07 AM CST up reply actions
i've been waiting to do that since he declined arbitration
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
And now I'm really hungry for a great BTL.
Thanks for that, U. Thanks.
Your 2011 White Sox: DONKEY KONG!!!!
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 7, 2010 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
Couldn't, unfortunately.
But I would like to get to one and play ‘pin the face on the poster.’
Your 2011 White Sox: DONKEY KONG!!!!
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 7, 2010 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
Called it an early night myself
So if you had ended up going, I would’ve probably missed it.
by Grinder in Training on Dec 7, 2010 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
Bobby, you were part of probably the co-best sports memories I'll ever have.
Good luck to you and thank you for everything you’ve done for us as Sox fans.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Dec 6, 2010 8:50 PM CST reply actions
that was my sig for a while too.
i'm eager to see which of you is going to put his jacket down first so as to ensure the other’s dress doesn’t get wet. by craigws
I don't recall seeing that poster nick before-
So 10thMountainFire, as the not-official late night ambassador of the occasionally inebriated at this hour regulars of SSS, allow me to say welcome. I like the cut of your jib.
Jenks was claimed off waivers by the Chicago White Sox for $20,000, and was sent to the club’s Double-A affiliate, the Birmingham Barons. Jenks was called up to the major leagues by the White Sox on July 5, 2005.3
According to the Baseball Almanac, his fastest pitch was clocked at 102 mph on August 27, 2005
Dear Bobby Jenks-
Many memories of mine will fade as I get older, get “wu” older, and then die. I am convinced however even that on my deathbed, no matter what, I will be able to conjur the image of Ozzie calling the pen for you in the Eighth Inning of game One. That’s when I knew we had it. The other games we’re just a formality, there is no way we can lose, Bobby Jenks is our closer.
Thank You good sir,
SSE
"I was the nicest Hitler ever, pulling out chairs for old women and what not." -Rhubarb
by South Side Expat on Dec 7, 2010 12:13 AM CST up reply actions 8 recs
Can I get an AMEN?
Hallelujah Brother… testify!
".... and in closing, lick. my. balls." - U God
by DrEmilioLizardo on Dec 7, 2010 12:29 AM CST up reply actions
And only one major grammar error that I can spot so far after firing that off..
"I was the nicest Hitler ever, pulling out chairs for old women and what not." -Rhubarb
by South Side Expat on Dec 7, 2010 12:46 AM CST up reply actions
It's genetic. My Mom is the best editor I've ever seen. And a lush.
Pay attention to my Facebook, she puts on a fun show at least once a week when she gets drunk. Awesome deathmatch idea- Put her and Rhubarb together with only one ounce of weed in a locked room.
"I was the nicest Hitler ever, pulling out chairs for old women and what not." -Rhubarb
by South Side Expat on Dec 7, 2010 1:00 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Well crap, I didn't word that quite as well as I should have.
"I was the nicest Hitler ever, pulling out chairs for old women and what not." -Rhubarb
by South Side Expat on Dec 7, 2010 1:11 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Whoa!
Pimping out your mom for am ounce of weed is golden!
"Good teams win games. Bad teams have meetings."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 7, 2010 7:28 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I want the distribution rights.
".... and in closing, lick. my. balls." - U God
by DrEmilioLizardo on Dec 7, 2010 9:20 AM CST up reply actions
I volunteer to, uhh, officiate.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 7, 2010 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
I really couldn't have put those last words better myself
The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.
I remember how exciting he was.
In this situation, he’s expendable, but there were times when he was unbeatable; thrilling and poised at the same time. I don’t doubt he will carry at least some of that with him for the remainder of his career.
by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 7, 2010 1:30 AM CST up reply actions
Take 'em to chURch!!!
Your 2011 White Sox: DONKEY KONG!!!!
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 7, 2010 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
Guess whose bizack
The boy B. Mizack – a.k.a. Mr. Crack-A-Brick
Your 2011 White Sox: DONKEY KONG!!!!
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 7, 2010 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
What a great post.
Rec’d and thank you for the welcome. As a lifelong Sox fan, I look forward to reading you guys here throughout the season.
'It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man!' -Jeremy freaking Roenick
by 10thMountainFire on Dec 7, 2010 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
What is Quentin's trade value?
If Reynolds is worth 2 relievers, Q in the AL with a much better breakout season seems like he could garner more interest than that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YK2-rNQfGg
kenny already said he isn't going anywhere.
of course it is kenny, so you can take that with a pinch o’ salt.
real classy from Bobby
He will always have a place in the Pantheon of the Sox, simply for being a large (ahem) part of the ‘05 winner. He also showed a surprising ability to become more than just a thrower under Coop’s tutelage. Although his fatness always provided a built in “I told you so” among the fanbase whenever he fucked up — he never pulled a Dibble or an F-ROD and from all appearances seemed a mature individual on and off the field.
I hope he gets paid and I wish him good fortune going forward.
Sox in drivers seat for Paulie, according to heyman this morning
Also thinking about how bad the sox are going to be defensively next year last night. We got two studs in Che and rios, duds in Juan, Q! and AJ, a so so bacon, average and declining Paulie or piss poor Dunn, and a rookie in Morel or god forbid Tea Bag at third. Not sure what those metrics measure out to, but that’s got to cost us some wins.
"Good teams win games. Bad teams have meetings."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 7, 2010 7:36 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I thought that Frenchy was above average defensively, but did better running every ball into the infield, his arm was so weak
And my recollection is that Bacon is an above average defender, too. AJ’s solid defensively, just no arm. Morel and Vizquel at 3B is definitely above average, and Teahan will be super-utility guy.
how about we just call teahen "utility guy".
super seems a bit unwarranted.
i am a bark for buffeting. i am a hound for thornypaws. i am a doe for swiftness. i am a tree for wind-siege. i am a windmill. i am a hole in a wall.
by BuehrleMan on Dec 7, 2010 7:53 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Norrrr does anything particularly super.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 7, 2010 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
remember that one game against toronto?
that was pretty super.
i am a bark for buffeting. i am a hound for thornypaws. i am a doe for swiftness. i am a tree for wind-siege. i am a windmill. i am a hole in a wall.
I'd rather call him "overpaid Royals shit".
Utility implies usefulness.
X__Adam Dunn_________________
by RWShow on Dec 7, 2010 11:02 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
other than his arm, pierre is good defensively
putting him in left helps mask that. morel has been a plus-defender in the minors, so that shouldn’t really change either.
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
o
"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Dec 7, 2010 8:02 AM CST up reply actions
with pierre, rios, morel and che, i would think we're above average defensively on the left side, no?
"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Dec 7, 2010 8:04 AM CST up reply actions
and visquel subbing for either morel or che
"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Dec 7, 2010 8:05 AM CST up reply actions
The more advanced numbers weren't kind to Omar last year
and I think he passes a lot of people’s visuals test because we’d gotten used to seeing Teabag there. I’d rather not be counting on Omar for defense at this point.
Your 2011 White Sox: DONKEY KONG!!!!
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 7, 2010 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
has absolutely no arm at this point
The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.
if he doesnt have the arm for SS, then what does he have the arm for?
Runners have beaten his throw from third more than a few times this last season. I dont see him playing much at all at second.
The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.
I'm confused too.
If he doesn’t have the arm for SS, then he wouldn’t have the arm for 3B. Basically, you tellin’ me he has the arm for 2B?
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 7, 2010 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
Colin...
Depends on where the SS fields the ball. If the SS fields the ball near the infield grass or in the base path, the throw is shorter than a 3B’s throw. Only if he fields and throws from deep in the hole is it farther. A 3B’s throw can sometimes be more difficult than a SS’s, depending on where the 3B fields the ball.
To say that one doesn’t have the arm for SS, but has the arm for 3B is wrong. But don’t take my word for it, go out to a diamond and experiment.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 7, 2010 5:00 PM CST up reply actions
you think i haven't?
i played plenty of SS in my day. i know what i’m saying. SS needs the most arm. 3B makes almost all his throws going toward 1B. anything taken on the backhand (other than a smash) is automatically a harder throw. scouts will tell you SS need more arm.
Fireworks: Bang?
You made a blanket statement: SS has the longest/most-difficult throws.
This is incorrect. The correct answer is: it depends. It depends on where the ball is hit, where it’s fielded. Just because one doesn’t have the arm for SS doesn’t mean one can go play a great 3B. It depends on how bad that person’s arm is. You are making it sound like anyone who can’t make the throws from SS can go play a good 3B. Some throws from 3B can be incredibly difficult, and so can some throws from SS. It depends, Colin, where it is hit.
I’m not saying, nor did I ever say, that a 3B needs a better arm than a SS. They both need good arms. To assert, like you did, that Vizquel doesn’t have the arm for SS, but is fine at 3B, depends on your definition of fine. If he can’t make some throws from SS, he won’t be able to make some throws from 3B. Period. A lot of the motions are the same, and 3B is a bit farther, and can be a lot farther if the ball is hit off to the foul side of the bag.
Be careful making blanket assertions.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 7, 2010 7:05 PM CST up reply actions
wow.
just admit you were wrong, man. there is no question that a ss requires the stringest arm in the infield. in fact, a ss usually has the strongest arm on the field, including pitcher and catcher.
If is is one handed shitting. by winningugly
Don't believe me? Go ask a current or former major league 3B
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 7, 2010 7:33 PM CST up reply actions
I like my arms stringy
but hes right. overall, SS has the longest distance on all playable balls, but can also be a lot closer than 3B, Vizquel cant throw from SS anymore and in my opinion, hes barely passable
The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.
from 3B
its not like he cant throw from SS but is still good from 3B
The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.
seems like it
just gotta hope for opposing hitters to develop pull tendencies
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
unless they bat left handed.
i am a bark for buffeting. i am a hound for thornypaws. i am a doe for swiftness. i am a tree for wind-siege. i am a windmill. i am a hole in a wall.
such hitters do not exist
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
Not sure
How can you say Pierre and AJ are good defensively, even though their arms are weak? That makes up the metric. Omar is still a good glove man, but his range and arm are going. Morel may be a decent fielder in the minors, but a full year at third in a rookie year could make him fall off a little. I guess my point of this costing wins might be off. But, I do think there is potential for disaster in the field. Age factor, a surprisingly decent year by Juan, and Q! in right could pose problems
"Good teams win games. Bad teams have meetings."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 7, 2010 8:14 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
i said nothing about AJ
go look at the leaders in UZR for leftfielders last year. juan pierre plays a good defensive corner outfield.
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
unsure if there are enough play attempts, but if you take the last three years
juan pierre is among the leaders in UZR for LF
"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Dec 7, 2010 8:19 AM CST up reply actions
logged 2606 innings
"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Dec 7, 2010 8:20 AM CST up reply actions
last year Pierre lead in total zone runs for LF in all of baseball.
He was very very good.
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
It is hard to evaluate our defense when KW still has some magic rabbits in his hat and some silk scarves in his pockets.
This would make an excellent discussion in late January when we know what we have.
NNNNOOOOOWWWWWWWW!!!!
I WANT TO PONTIFICATE AND SOUND PRETENTIOUS AND PULL STUFF OUT OF MY ASS NOOOOOOOOOOOWW!
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(that is all)
".... and in closing, lick. my. balls." - U God
by DrEmilioLizardo on Dec 7, 2010 9:23 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
This is about as good as we've been defensively
Since the Rowand/Crede/Uribe days of yore
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YK2-rNQfGg
Surprisingly Jose Valentin was also very good according to both TZR and UZR
Never really thought of the team as defensively good since we always seem to build around aging sluggers, but evidently it wasn’t half-bad for a while there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YK2-rNQfGg
The negativity thread is the one before this one.
Hee.
Intoxicated with the wine of cloaking powers and the gin of banning authority since 2005.
Not trying to be a negative jackass
Just stating my thoughts. The way the team is structured currently could be a deficient team defensively. Just my concerns
"Good teams win games. Bad teams have meetings."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 7, 2010 9:21 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
what did you think going into last season?
if konerko comes back the only difference will be third base and by all accounts morel is an improvement there.
i am a bark for buffeting. i am a hound for thornypaws. i am a doe for swiftness. i am a tree for wind-siege. i am a windmill. i am a hole in a wall.
Replace Rios with Quentin, and you've got possibly the worst fielding in the majors
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 7, 2010 9:33 AM CST up reply actions
Heh, and Prince Fielder is "possibly" the fattest first baseman in baseball.
X__Adam Dunn_________________
does ozzie want an extension, wtf
"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Dec 7, 2010 9:59 AM CST up reply actions
This will be a good discussion come Spring Training, but right now....
Morel stands to replace Teahen, and that alone should give us back at least 1 win (I think 2).
another year of Bacon at 2B and he should improve, becoming close to average, slightly above defensively.
Che, Rios, Pierre should stay about the same.
The only sore spots on the field will be 1B and RF. Lefties are going to give them trouble. If I get my wish, Quentin isn’t brought back and is replaced with a plus (I’ll accept average) fielding RF. If Quentin is brought back, then I’m hoping he and Andruw will split time. If not Andruw then some plus fielding outfielder for a late inning replacement.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 7, 2010 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
Not sure why people lump PK in the "bad defense" group.
I get that his UZR was quite terrible in 2010, mostly because of limited range, but he saved quite a few errors on poor throws. That’s a big part of being a first baseman. I wouldn’t consider him a liability in the field, especially due to the position he plays. No where near the liability Quentin will be in RF (he’s going to be the starter there on opening day whether we like it or not).
As for 4th OF, I’d much rather us go after a speed/defense, relatively-consistent-bat type. As opposed to the average D and all-or-nothing approach Andruw brings at the plate.
I think it should be a given that our 4th OF should be the type you describe
With Kotsay gone, I guess that’s De Aza? Though he ain’t that fast, or that good with the glove.
And it sure as hell ain’t Teahen.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 7, 2010 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
AJ is average, Juan is above average and Morel is partly basing his career on a slick glove
They should be fine defensively. Not great, but not horrible either.
I have doubts about UZR, but Juan is a big plus for his career, which is a big sample, very big.
I’ll give you AJ might not be average. He’s not a butcher though either.
he was positive last year as well. I dunno, he has a noodle arm but seems to have solid range
his SB totals and success rate seem to indicate he hasn’t slowed down much.
yes. he is an average or so defender.
if you want to get all excited over one year’s worth of “data”, feel free.
recently (last year) pierre was a very good defensive outfielder.
even the ol’ eye test confirmed.
If is is one handed shitting. by winningugly
Catcher defense is pretty tough to measure
But it’s probably safe to say AJ is in the bottom third of the league
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YK2-rNQfGg
he's an above average LF
i thought that’s what was meant. given the pos adj, AJ qualifies as “above average” i’m sure.
Fireworks: Bang?
I wonder if Pierre were a much better hitter, say a .350 wOBA type
there would be more people saying his defense were above average.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 7, 2010 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
How much money are the Nats going to pay Pavano?
I have a feeling……..
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
Olney just said there is growing speculation
they’re going to throw a huge number at Lee, as well as Pavano?
Hope he’s not writing the 2011 White Sox Anal too. -Sox Machine
Seems pretty likely they will throw a huge number and Zito somebody
or should I say somebody else.
Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?
I have finished the gingerbread man story
I don’t think I should put it on the RR. Should I just imbed it in the ‘Downside’ post?
Embed it here? Fewer comments
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 7, 2010 9:35 AM CST up reply actions
email it to larry for either editing or posting as is.
Intoxicated with the wine of cloaking powers and the gin of banning authority since 2005.
I wouldn't want it edited
it would take away from its ambience. Maybe I’ll just bury it in an old post.
quit toying
with my emotions
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by Grinder Rule #42 on Dec 7, 2010 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
Well, my suspicions were correct
it was stricken from the record for its disgusting nature. Feel free to email me for the story if you would like to see it.
it was very good
but the times have changed such things can no longer stay
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
Well Fuck.
"I was the nicest Hitler ever, pulling out chairs for old women and what not." -Rhubarb
by South Side Expat on Dec 7, 2010 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
i'm sure if you gentlemen were to post your email addresses
rhubarb would be more than happy to send a copy
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
I'll get it from him, no prob.
If I can get him outa that room with my mom.
"I was the nicest Hitler ever, pulling out chairs for old women and what not." -Rhubarb
by South Side Expat on Dec 7, 2010 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
A winner, to be sure. TP's mom's whoredom knows no boundaries.
To: Hard Steel and Espy, that was the hottest man on dog on woman action I had since Carl Everett and his Great Dane. I hope you don’t get traded to the Cardinals and are free to bang me out all summer of 2011, despite being against the wishes of my son. I don’t even remember who his father is anyway. There is a 17% chance that it was Vance Law based on my sex log for 1984.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 7, 2010 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
he emailed it to me
it was glorious
The only glove he needs is a batting glove. - RWShow on Adam Dunn signing.
But I don't like spam!
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 8, 2010 9:45 AM CST up reply actions
From Heyman:
believable yet?
#chisox dangled beckham for a-gon. Was talk deal could expand to include floyd. But chi didn’t favor big quick ext for adrian
Hope he’s not writing the 2011 White Sox Anal too. -Sox Machine
wow what a bimbo
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
I feel like that talk lasted all of 2 minutes
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 7, 2010 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
A twist on an old commercial
….somewhere in Orlando, Oney Guillen is tweeting.
….Kenny is searching his pockets for extra change…
….and in Texas, Adam Dunn is petting his friend George.
….White Sox Baseball. It’s overleveraged.
The guy at the bank doesn't care how many trophies you've got!
by 67WMAQ on Dec 7, 2010 10:47 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
….and in Texas, Adam Dunn is petting his friend George.
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Intoxicated with the wine of cloaking powers and the gin of banning authority since 2005.
Dunn reminds me of the big dumb lummox in the Looney Tunes cartoons:
The guy at the bank doesn't care how many trophies you've got!
From Cowley:
Could be a snag in Konerko talks. Source said that so far Konerko’s camp is adamant about $15m per. That would crush the payroll for relief
Sox need him to take a deal at about the $12 to $13 million range. He made $12 last year, so pay cut is not an option.
If The Chairman wants this to work he may have to back-load the deal.
Hope he’s not writing the 2011 White Sox Anal too. -Sox Machine
I love Paulie, but there's no way in hell I pay him $15 million for a freakin' four year deal.
I’d give him 2 years at $15, but he’s going to have to take a pay cut at some point.
Your 2011 White Sox: DONKEY KONG!!!!
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 7, 2010 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
No kiddin'
And I think no way he signs a 2 year deal.
4 years, $52 mill, and that’s all. He’ll be hard pressed to earn even that contract.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 7, 2010 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
Oh. Convo moved to another damned thread
Take your whosh like a man, dammit.
by RWShow on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 7, 2010 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
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