How Much Is Herm Worth?
by colintj on Feb 22, 2010 5:00 AM CST
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PrintOn the right rail, larry linked to Jeff Zimmerman of BTB who, using Josh Hermsmeyer's free injury time database, generated a table of games missed by team including percent of salary lost. It looks like this:
| Rank | Team | Total Salary | Salary Lost | Total Days | Number of Trips | Percentage of Total Payroll |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | LAD | $802,269,413 | $214,186,872 | 6717 | 61 | 27% |
| 2 | WAS | $395,077,500 | $87,927,311 | 7395 | 73 | 22% |
| 3 | TEX | $592,355,667 | $130,295,946 | 8521 | 77 | 22% |
| 4 | NYM | $912,960,802 | $198,784,051 | 7922 | 72 | 22% |
| 5 | ARI | $567,058,065 | $112,040,169 | 6347 | 72 | 20% |
| 6 | ATL | $752,293,394 | $146,002,505 | 6574 | 67 | 19% |
| 7 | OAK | $456,603,575 | $88,576,685 | 5211 | 50 | 19% |
| 8 | SD | $450,328,690 | $84,326,605 | 5964 | 68 | 19% |
| 9 | KCR | $415,440,333 | $77,368,885 | 7206 | 81 | 19% |
| 10 | DET | $650,323,576 | $120,741,210 | 6621 | 53 | 19% |
| 11 | BAL | $559,966,955 | $100,803,387 | 7716 | 68 | 18% |
| 12 | CLE | $481,570,082 | $82,899,809 | 5499 | 61 | 17% |
| 13 | ANA | $781,804,489 | $131,803,169 | 1864 | 24 | 17% |
| 14 | TBA | $279,920,832 | $45,948,441 | 4898 | 62 | 16% |
| 15 | STL | $701,113,759 | $113,433,432 | 6370 | 57 | 16% |
| 16 | CIN | $490,024,584 | $71,801,485 | 6894 | 70 | 15% |
| 17 | MIL | $448,053,000 | $65,448,742 | 4862 | 53 | 15% |
| 18 | COL | $476,445,377 | $67,833,222 | 5768 | 71 | 14% |
| 19 | SF | $673,267,093 | $91,626,965 | 4202 | 53 | 14% |
| 20 | TOR | $555,509,833 | $75,545,147 | 5243 | 57 | 14% |
| 21 | CHC | $780,401,763 | $106,017,190 | 5444 | 58 | 14% |
| 22 | PHI | $705,761,638 | $86,937,200 | 4540 | 62 | 12% |
| 23 | HOU | $655,044,680 | $79,356,784 | 3888 | 44 | 12% |
| 24 | BOS | $976,978,257 | $117,482,570 | 5556 | 71 | 12% |
| 25 | NYY | $1,464,447,266 | $175,817,451 | 6107 | 57 | 12% |
| 26 | MIN | $462,768,538 | $50,398,150 | 4917 | 49 | 11% |
| 27 | PIT | $350,135,323 | $37,785,164 | 4759 | 49 | 11% |
| 28 | FLO | $298,132,793 | $25,716,545 | 6007 | 56 | 9% |
| 29 | SEA | $747,503,317 | $59,606,332 | 5245 | 52 | 8% |
| 30 | CHW | $677,133,665 | $38,169,033 | 2135 | 38 | 6% |
So the Sox lost the lowest percent portion of their salary to injury than any other team from 2002-2009. 6% just also happens to be 2 standard deviations from the mean of 16%. That's $70MM total saved compared to average, or $8.8MM per season. That would be worth a 2-3 win player on the market in '10. And, actually, I'd bet the '10 levels are about average for the '02-'09 respective markets, so you could think of the Sox as getting an extra above average player per season over the time period covered.
I actually made this calculation another way in a Fanpost at BTB. To quote myself:
If you assume that the team loses a 1.5 WAR/150G player and has to call up a replacement level player and .85*Days Missed = Games Missed, then we can use the table and say
.85*DM*1.5/150 = .01*GM = WAR lost to injury
Here's how the Sox did when applying that calculation:
| Team | Total Days | Avg Days/Season | WAR Lost | WLAA |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| ANA | 1864 | 233 | 1.98 | -4.05 |
| CHW | 2135 | 266.875 | 2.27 | -3.77 |
| HOU | 3888 | 486 | 4.13 | -1.90 |
| SF | 4202 | 525.25 | 4.46 | -1.57 |
| PHI | 4540 | 567.5 | 4.82 | -1.21 |
| PIT | 4759 | 594.875 | 5.06 | -0.98 |
| MIL | 4862 | 607.75 | 5.17 | -0.87 |
| TBA | 4898 | 612.25 | 5.20 | -0.83 |
| MIN | 4917 | 614.625 | 5.22 | -0.81 |
| OAK | 5211 | 651.375 | 5.54 | -0.50 |
| TOR | 5243 | 655.375 | 5.57 | -0.46 |
| SEA | 5245 | 655.625 | 5.57 | -0.46 |
| CHC | 5444 | 680.5 | 5.78 | -0.25 |
| CLE | 5499 | 687.375 | 5.84 | -0.19 |
| BOS | 5556 | 694.5 | 5.90 | -0.13 |
| COL | 5768 | 721 | 6.13 | 0.09 |
| SD | 5964 | 745.5 | 6.34 | 0.30 |
| FLO | 6007 | 750.875 | 6.38 | 0.35 |
| NYY | 6107 | 763.375 | 6.49 | 0.45 |
| ARI | 6347 | 793.375 | 6.74 | 0.71 |
| STL | 6370 | 796.25 | 6.77 | 0.73 |
| ATL | 6574 | 821.75 | 6.98 | 0.95 |
| DET | 6621 | 827.625 | 7.03 | 1.00 |
| LAD | 6717 | 839.625 | 7.14 | 1.10 |
| CIN | 6894 | 861.75 | 7.32 | 1.29 |
| KCR | 7206 | 900.75 | 7.66 | 1.62 |
| WAS | 7395 | 924.375 | 7.86 | 1.82 |
| BAL | 7716 | 964.5 | 8.20 | 2.16 |
| NYM | 7922 | 990.25 | 8.42 | 2.38 |
| TEX | 8521 | 1065.125 | 9.05 | 3.02 |
WLAA is WAR Lost Above Average, so negative is better. If Herm is synonymous with the White Sox ability to keep players on the field, then he's been worth 2-4 wins per season since '02. Either way, this seems to confirm that the Sox are the best in the business when it comes to keeping their guys on the field and that doing so has been a major competitive advantage.
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Wouldn't Herm be paying the White Sox?
Don’t team trainers and surgeons pay the club for the exposure?
And they have very nice 2005 WS rings.
I just don’t feel like killing anyone else for as long as I can help it.
the yanks and boston are not as effective as the sox
but they’re near the bottom of the list too
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Feb 22, 2010 5:12 AM CST reply actions
Is this useful for bragging rights?
I think so.
2010 WhiteSox Baseball: "even if it works it's still stupid"
and Detroit is towards the bottom
Damon is f*cked – if he gets shot driving down 8-Mile Road on the way to the ballpark, the team’s medical staff and trainers are ill equipped to heal the wounds like Herm and the boys.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
fucking snow let up.
i wanted a snow day so i could BS on SSS with you jagoffs all day.
maybe herm could fix that problem too.
Kenwo4life=ratings
snow?
haha. Although we are supposed to see highs in the mid 40’s and 2-4 inches of rain in the next 48 hours so NYC forecast isn’t much better.
At least with spring training here and March only 6 days away their is light at the end of the tunnel.
This is all well and good
but it flies in the face of our Gospel of Grindiness, which is positively tallied in DL visits for rug burn, fastball groin and Podsednik’s trademark cleatneck.
by Sox-35th on Feb 22, 2010 8:14 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
might want to reattempt that one
"A brief but trenchant analysis of Scott Podsednik
He’s dogshit."
by NYRoyal on Jan 8, 2010 8:56 AM PST
One nice comment from Tango and now hes quoting himself.
sheesh.
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The Gospel according to the Unemployed.
I just don’t feel like killing anyone else for as long as I can help it.
i don't know how to define math porn, but I know it when I see it
this is it.
His name is Rios and he dances on the sand
Math porn = condoms and calcs.
"You two need to get a room filled with condoms and calculators!"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 22, 2010 4:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
good stuff Colin
It’s also interesting that I believe in the last 5 or so years the two teams to over perform their PECOTA by the most games are…the Angels and the White Sox.
Damn I’m ready for some baseball.
goes back to 2003 for PECOTA that that's true, actually
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
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by Daniel Berlyn on Feb 22, 2010 9:43 AM CST up reply actions
yeah, it's impressive
I wonder how much this is a function of being unwilling to go long-term with pitchers. If we’re quantifying things by percentage of payroll lost, Williams needs to get some credit for investing wisely as well.
by hitlesswonder on Feb 22, 2010 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
I wonder if our scouting deserves credit
Maybe the scouts and KW use some sort of injury factor to avoid certain players.
I had the same thought
I wonder what other factors might come into play here. Does the conditioning/strength training staff also deserve some credit? Of course, colin implied that it’s probably a staff thing, but I wonder if there’s any other way to figure this all out.
Also, colin, I might suggest rethinking how you define/display that WLAA metric. Having the negative be better is probably just muddling the picture unnecessarily. And the name (which, extended says “Wins Above Replacement Lost Above Average”, ewww), will never catch on.
Why not go the PECOTA/CHONE route and pick a good acronym for GRIFFEY?
Awesome otherwise, though.
White Sox fan; Jeppson's Malort man
by KarkoviceIsHawt on Feb 22, 2010 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
herm is the training staff
or the head of it. if we skewer managers for riding young pitchers (or just pitchers in general) too hard, then obviously the manager/coaching staff needs to be included. ozzie’s “sunday lineups” and such are routinely punchlines but that could be a factor, as well. scouting of course is involved. as i pointed out in my post on KW, choosing not to sign players to lengthy contracts is another factor. i’m sure people can brainstorm others.
Surprising that the Cubs were actually above average
Either Dusty Baker isn’t as bad as I thought, or they’ve righted that ship.
White Sox fan; Jeppson's Malort man
by KarkoviceIsHawt on Feb 22, 2010 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
I'd still rather have Ozzie stagger the days off
than concede every Sunday as AAA day.
The Cubs are not a baseball team. They are a baseball-themed marketing company that hosts frat parties for post grads and tourists.
Good point
The Cubs are not a baseball team. They are a baseball-themed marketing company that hosts frat parties for post grads and tourists.
doesn't herm free base cocaine?
Please find Jay Cutler some help...
by Jbasic89 on Feb 22, 2010 10:24 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
KW sure fucked this one up.
3. Johnny Damon becoming a Tiger
This is a huge move, for Dave Dombrowski to sign a guy who just won a World Series ring and can hit .270 with 80 RBIs and bat in the No. 2 hole.
It gives the Tigers credibility on and off the field. I think Damon is worth 10 wins to the Tigers this year, and that difference would put them in the AL Central race the entire season.
http://blog.mlive.com/hugeblog/2010/02/us-canada_rivalry_makes_olympi.html
Yep. The Sox could've used those 80 RBI in the 2 hole.
Quick question: what is the going rate for WAR these days? Something like $4M?
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
Just trying to see what those 10 wins should've cost the Tigers
;-)
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
Did he really say 10 wins????
lol. Mickey Mantle is playing left for the Tigers huh?
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
Is it possible to tell if
Damon’s projections are even 10 wins above a theoretical player that batted .000?
worth more than that.
a theoretical player – let’s call him “Catbrains” – who struck out every one of your 600 PAs and was a DH (since you would probably suck on defense) would be worth about -180 runs or -18 wins. conservatively, damon is probably worth 2 wins. so damon is projected to be 20 wins better than you. or a chair.
Since when is it ok for a DH to suck on defense!?
oh, this scenario is not White Sox-specific.
I see.
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by homesickalien on Feb 22, 2010 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
Can't be White Sox related at all. Our DH MUST play defense.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
That was my joke. Not funny, but there it was. :p
Clearly Catbrains would be better fit for the grounds crew.
He can’t hold a bat without thumbs!
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by homesickalien on Feb 22, 2010 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
Oh. Sorry. Sometimes I just skim your words.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
You have to skim her words, just due to the sheer volume...
Just a Rip-off of the Actual El Guapo, but a fake not funny one.
by DrEmilioLizardo on Feb 22, 2010 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
Oddly, I find you to be comparably - how you say - vomitously verbose.
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by homesickalien on Feb 22, 2010 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
...
You want brevity?
I’ll use haikus more often
you chatty portslut
:)
Just a Rip-off of the Actual El Guapo, but a fake not funny one.
by DrEmilioLizardo on Feb 23, 2010 9:54 PM CST up reply actions
Good.
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by homesickalien on Feb 24, 2010 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
That's a typo.
It’s supposed to say “at least 10 hundred wins”.
by The Actual El Guapo on Feb 22, 2010 4:31 PM CST up reply actions
I like that we have substantiated evidence that Herm is the best. I'll cringe less the next time Hawk starts squawking about how great our staff is.
Colin, for your next trick, I want to see you quantify Roger Bossard’s WAR.
"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"
He'd have to calculate the cost of Preemergence Herbicide, Postemergence Herbicide,
Both selective and nonselective, as well as the use of cultural controls which may include raising (or lowering) the mowing height, changing the frequency of mowing, lengthening (or shortening) the period between irrigations, increasing (or decreasing) the application of fertilizer, or aerifying the soil.
Now I’m sure Colin can get that info by asking the Sox media relations department, but comparing it to other AL teams may prove difficult.
WAR: Weeds Annually Removed
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
by Chiburb on Feb 22, 2010 11:28 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Nice
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by homesickalien on Feb 22, 2010 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
no one knows lawncare like an OPOS
Now I see why you want all those kids off your lawn.
His name is Rios and he dances on the sand
Yep. Though I don't mind when they walk around the warning track.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
what is the MAR (meat above replacement) value of the bertouchi brothers?
could not find the correct spelling of their name even with 5 minutes of googling so I gave up…
A lot of these players would never get injured
If they had a decent conditioning programme in the first place
none of them
I support LUFC – why would I lend my support to any of the others?
Being as we can’t compete any more, the teams I have most respect for are Arsenal and Everton.
everton has been playing great ball
as an american i root for them just because so many yanks wind up there.
I like everton
cuz that was the name of my middle school club team. The coach was an argentine who played for them in the 80’s.
Lurking since 2006
by boyonthedock on Feb 22, 2010 1:13 PM CST up reply actions
yeah apparently European clubs
are killing baseball when it comes to conditioning and health regimes
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
i doubt their charts would look any better than MLB's.
probably worse. maybe comparing across sports isn’t appropriate, it probably isn’t, but i’m not sure i buy the “soccer does so much of a better job with conditioning and health.” of course they do conditioning as is commonly understood – they’re running all over the place for 90 minutes, often twice a week. maybe they have some more advanced ideas. but they also don’t have to deal with something as completely unnatural as repeatedly throwing overhand.
this isn’t 25 years ago where guys were noticeably out of shape (particularly with hindsight). i doubt most of the injuries in your chart are due to a lack of conditioning or even misuse. preventative medicine, for pitchers in particular, obviously needs to be addressed more but i rather doubt there is a silver bullet there.
i was just thinking in terms of money
i’m sure you’ve read it, but will carroll cited the difference as being pretty large. i do agree with the silver bullet part.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
this discussion was had when that was brought up.
yes, ac milan and some of the other big clubs have very good staffs and may well spend lots on it. but how different is that from the white sox or seattle above, who are apparently quite good? as i said then, i doubt portsmouth and stoke and so on are all that advanced. and you bet your ass i would be spending millions upon millions on medicine if i were real madrid and spent $120M to purchase a single player.
If conditioning was so important,
the Japanese would never get injured.
I just don’t feel like killing anyone else for as long as I can help it.
Herm is worth his weight in gold
If I’m doing my math right, at current gold prices, that would be about $3.8 million.
"One more game and then we can blow this son of a b@#$* up!" - Hawk Harrelson on his thoughts regarding the Metrodome
I was being nice and went with an even 300 lbs.
"One more game and then we can blow this son of a b@#$* up!" - Hawk Harrelson on his thoughts regarding the Metrodome
Except when penis size is on the table.
Right, Tdogg?
I just don’t feel like killing anyone else for as long as I can help it.
Damon just denied any preference for Chicago.
‘people will say anything,’ his wife didnt say that.
" I can tell you are a peer." -winningugly to the Hooligan
give me a fucking break.
“How bright do you think the lights are in Detroit?”
" I can tell you are a peer." -winningugly to the Hooligan
So, Hawk's Yaz stories out on the golf course
really did scare him away!
"One more game and then we can blow this son of a b@#$* up!" - Hawk Harrelson on his thoughts regarding the Metrodome
'Detroit was number one on my list."
What do you mean by that? Do you mean after the Yankees fell through?
“Well, yeah, after the Yankees.”
also, KC does not have passionate fans!
“Leyland told me we have really passionate fans here, and Ive been playing for passionate fans for most of my career.”
-between the lines, I assume he is referring to KC. Surely not Boston or NY.
" I can tell you are a peer." -winningugly to the Hooligan
Johnny is a baseball whore
He should go back to Whore Island!
"One more game and then we can blow this son of a b@#$* up!" - Hawk Harrelson on his thoughts regarding the Metrodome
Teahen on the White Sox attack: "I’m not sure it’s saying a ton, but it’s the best offense I’ve been a part of at the big league level."
by larry on Feb 22, 2010 1:35 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
That's hilarious
and sad
The Cubs are not a baseball team. They are a baseball-themed marketing company that hosts frat parties for post grads and tourists.
Teabag's bold prediction:
“We’ll win more than the Royals.”
I just don’t feel like killing anyone else for as long as I can help it.
could be tough
they have a grindy player in getz. and a great hitter/defender/cooldude in fields
If the woman is offering an opinion, you are doing it wrong. - HSA
Oh my God, they have amassed quite a collection of bad former Sox.
"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"
BA needs a stash.
The Boogeyman cometh
by omnipotent grab on Feb 22, 2010 8:07 PM CST up reply actions
which minor league team he was on do you think
he is implying had a better offense? the modesto nuts? omaha royals? midland rock hounds? vancouver canadians? sacramento river cats?
you are certainly one of the more ridiculous people on this board. ~ larry
He may not be great at baseball
But at least he’ll be a lot more fun to root for then Nick Swisher or Toby Hall.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 22, 2010 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
And Swisher was certainly lauded for his humor and levity at first
The he sucked enough that it stopped being cute. The same could happen to Teahan
The Cubs are not a baseball team. They are a baseball-themed marketing company that hosts frat parties for post grads and tourists.
If he starts the season the way Wise did last year
You’ll be calling for his dog to take the field too.
The Cubs are not a baseball team. They are a baseball-themed marketing company that hosts frat parties for post grads and tourists.
Nothing is cute or funny when you suck
The Cubs are not a baseball team. They are a baseball-themed marketing company that hosts frat parties for post grads and tourists.
The Internetz is no place for sarcasm!
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by homesickalien on Feb 22, 2010 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
use sarcasm font
its a blast
"A brief but trenchant analysis of Scott Podsednik
He’s dogshit."
by NYRoyal on Jan 8, 2010 8:56 AM PST
by U-God on Feb 22, 2010 4:48 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Espy definitely sacrifices OBP for speed
so he’d fit in perfectly.
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by UribeAuction on Feb 22, 2010 4:36 PM CST up reply actions
Swisher was annoying.
Before he got here people talked about him bringing an attitude to the clubhouse, not necessarily his humor.. I don’t think I laughed out loud at the things Nick Swisher said, nor at the many pies put in guys faces over the year from those two.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 22, 2010 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
maybe a little OT,
but the Yankees paid almost 1.5 billion in salary over the last ~seven years? Mercy.
Stone Pony has some competition
Hell Yesss
by Grinder Rule #42 on Feb 22, 2010 4:34 PM CST reply actions
i can see that
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Feb 22, 2010 5:15 PM CST up reply actions
i cant photoshop and
it needs the unicorn…ozncoop???
Hell Yesss
by Grinder Rule #42 on Feb 22, 2010 5:22 PM CST up reply actions
OT
i doubt any of you remember me saying that for my birthday back in september, my mother gave me an IOU for a mark buehrle jersey. but that shit got ordered today! i went with the ’09 alternate (black, clearly) because thats what he wore in the perfecto! SO FUCKING PUMPED
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by BoeJouma on Feb 22, 2010 6:42 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Remember?
That was the highlight of my fall!
by 3E8 on Feb 22, 2010 6:48 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
mine too mine too.
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by homesickalien on Feb 23, 2010 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
on CTL tonight
Garfien almost got it out of Kenny that they had traded for Halladay but, were unable to work out an extension.
"You two need to get a room filled with condoms and calculators!"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 22, 2010 7:46 PM CST reply actions
stupid idea anyways
RIP Jim Thome 1-25-2010
an AL team not having a DH is like a giraffe fucking a mule. - larry
For what we would have to give up to upgrade our most talented area,
Im not sure it would be worth it.
2010 WhiteSox Baseball: "even if it works it's still stupid"
all WAR are created equal
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
You still need to score runs to win
Stacking all your WAR in pitching only didn’t work for the Giants and it certainly won’t work in the AL
The Cubs are not a baseball team. They are a baseball-themed marketing company that hosts frat parties for post grads and tourists.
But will there be enough from game to game?
That is why we were fretting the lack of DH/crap taco situation right?
The Cubs are not a baseball team. They are a baseball-themed marketing company that hosts frat parties for post grads and tourists.
another way to combat such a problem is better pitching
so it’s easier to win if you don’t have enough from game to game.
i don’t know why others were fretting the lack of DH but i fret it because having a DH who is good as opposed to not having a DH who is good is a competitive advantage. like having better pitching is a competitive advantage. it was focused upon likely because a clear upgrade to the DH was readily available and cheap, unlike most other positions, including pitcher.
WAR in context
It matters what you are replacing. This is the argument about why Damon would have been less of an improvement to the Sox after Pierre was acquired. Pierre is an above replacement level player so we need to subtract his WAR from Damon’s WAR to get Damon’s “net to the White Sox in 2010” Wins Added, which is what we really want.
I think this is what OznCoop is referring to. Ie: if we have assets to spend, we should be focusing on our weakest point where we can add a 3-4 WAR position player and achieve a net of 3-4 WAR instead of acquiring a 4-5 WAR pitcher to achieve a net of 2-3 WAR.
fairly certain that hallidey fellow is at least 3-4 WAR better than freddy.
what, with him being maybe the best pitcher in baseball and all.
Yargh
Even with assuming the Freddy/Hudson 5 hole will be average (2 WAR, which might be unlikely for nothing more then playing time) Halladay is still 3-4 WAR better.
I didn’t think Halladay was sitting on a set of 7 WAR seasons with a fan project of 6+. Damn you AND your facts, sir.
of course,
we don’t know what major league talent who would otherwise be contributing WAR would have been given up in such a trade.
It's cool, it works alone. Nobody noticed.
:)
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by homesickalien on Feb 23, 2010 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
pretty much
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by homesickalien on Feb 23, 2010 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
Only those with H-E-A-R-T
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
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