At What Point Should We Collectively Freak Out About Vizquel DHing?
by colintj on Feb 25, 2010 7:00 AM CST
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PrintMark Gonzalez and Ozzie are just in on a joke together, right?
For now, this means that Mark Kotsay will get the bulk of at-bats against right-handed pitchers. Guillen also didn't rule out Omar Vizquel batting leadoff as a DH against tough left-handed pitchers, meaning Juan Pierre would get a break.
That is, Andruw Jones will be in left while Vizquel DHs. So the lineup vs. difficult LHP will theoretically look something like:
- Vizquel DH
- Beckham 2B
- Quentin RF
- Konerko 1B
- Jones LF
- Rios CF
- Alexei SS
- Teahen 3B
- Castro C
Notice any fielders worse than Vizquel in that lineup? Even if Ozzie just had those 9 guys to make a lineup from and couldn't, say, pick Jayson Nix instead of Omar, it still makes no sense to DH the experienced Vizquel. His competitive advantage throughout his entire career, true to this day, has been his glove. There are probably 10 or so infielders in the game better than him right now. Whereas nearly every MLB position player is a better hitter. Any time he picks up the bat without the chance to take the field is a lost opportunity.
What kind of lost opportunity? For one, as mentioned, whatever the difference per game in runs saved by Vizquel over Teahen would have been. Vizquel is likely still 5 runs per 150 games better than the average SS. Teahen is probably 5 runs worse than the average 3B, who's 5 runs worse than the average SS. That's a win and a half over 150 games. As we'll see, the problem is more egregious at the plate.
Projected wOBA:
CHONE -.253
MARCEL - .271
BILL JAMES - .280
PECOTA - .281
I don't expect Vizquel to do as badly as CHONE projects, as I think CHONE is probably overweighting last season where he played tutor to Elvis Andrus but was not injured. Besides, a .270 wOBA is about equal to .250/.290/.340. If he can't even hit that well, then I doubt he's a very good defender. That is, if he's worth giving playing time to, he'll hit better than CHONE says he will. To that end, here's a table that shows Wins Above Replacement for various PA totals and wOBA projections:
| wOBA | 10 PA | 50 PA | 100 PA | 200 PA | 400 PA | 600 PA |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 0.27 | -0.05 | -0.26 | -0.52 | -1.04 | -2.09 | -3.13 |
| 0.285 | -0.04 | -0.20 | -0.39 | -0.78 | -1.57 | -2.35 |
| 0.3 | -0.03 | -0.13 | -0.26 | -0.52 | -1.04 | -1.57 |
| 0.315 | -0.01 | -0.07 | -0.13 | -0.26 | -0.52 | -0.78 |
So let's add up the bat plus lost glove time if Ozzie gave Omar 50G (~200 PA) at DH if he hits .270. -1.5/150*50 - 1 =
-1.5 Wins/200 PA
That's something potentially worth freaking out about. That's about what we would have stood to gain by adding Thome or Damon, all in 200 PA! Time to flip the pool!
Ah but sage Jim, averse to manly number crunching, turned to the stars and divined that the proper O/U is 12 games, about 50 PA. That doesn't even add up to a half-win and could easily be masked by good or bad luck. And if chemistry or whatever is a real thing that contributes significantly to wins somehow, then this kerfluffle would in fact be a complete non-factor in the season's outcome. Hmm.
Well then, let's see what we get when we take Ozzie at his word. If a DH gets 700 PA per season, the normal platoon split is 500 vs. RHP and 200 vs. LHP. 50 PA of 200 would correspond to the top 25% of lefties; Mark Gonzalez would say "tough left handed pitchers". So, SSS, you may not riot, even at a college level, about this Vizquel @ DH thing. Ozzie won't sink the team doing what he says he'll do. Angry eyes should look toward Kenny, who struck out on his home run for this off season.
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Nauseating at the least
so lets use the rotating DH spot as a way to supposedly keep everyone fresh and healthy and use a player that is projected as below replacement level against tough lefties. A DH at the Cell should be a masher that drives in runs….mercy.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
I believe Jones will be getting about 400-450 at bats this year.
We all know that this organization is a sucker for old has-beens. If they’re lucky he will ops 900, if they are unlucky he will ops 600.
"You two need to get a room filled with condoms and calculators!"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 25, 2010 8:12 AM CST up reply actions
Besides - wasn't he at Ozzies BBQ yesterday?
"ass hole thi is the same line up whit leftys you idiot"
My hope is that Jones has been staying away from BBQues
"You two need to get a room filled with condoms and calculators!"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 25, 2010 8:38 AM CST up reply actions
He came with Walk.
In Seattle, a resigned sigh escapes the lips of a foul-mouthed angel. ~wu
by homesickalien on Feb 25, 2010 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
and bobby.
i love the stories about bobby losing weight, eating right, not drinking… then i look at the before and after pics and can’t tell the fucking difference! if anything it looks like that fat bastard gained weight!! although shedding 20 lbs off of that frame would be like taking 1 brick from the berlin wall.
"You two need to get a room filled with condoms and calculators!"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 25, 2010 2:01 PM CST up reply actions
You are serious?
He looks positively emaciated in comparison to last year. Look at his face and neck.
I just don’t feel like killing anyone else for as long as I can help it.
this
RIP Jim Thome 1-25-2010
an AL team not having a DH is like a giraffe fucking a mule. - larry
by blackoutsox on Feb 25, 2010 11:17 PM CST up reply actions
was watching mlbn yesterday and they had the biggest loser.
they said he looked skinnier last year! I agree.
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 25, 2010 11:36 PM CST up reply actions
thanks for reccing my dolphin
i will rec this in return.
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 25, 2010 8:09 AM CST reply actions
how long did the doctor prescribe Ozzie to wear those spikes?
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 25, 2010 8:10 AM CST reply actions
Not to mention
If Vizquel really is as bad as Chone predicts, I doubt he even gets 5 starts at DH before Ozzie realizes its a mistake.
Jayson Nix will take the DH spot in these “tough lefty” situations sooner then later in my opinion, so I’m just not that concerned. I thought Nix looked pretty good last year against lefties (I realize SSS, but he also passed the eye test for me, not much else I can go on at this point).
Do I think it’s stupid to waste a single game on Vizquel in the DH spot? Of course I do, but at the same time, I don’t think it’s something we are going to see more then a couple times and if we do, it’s only because he’s been successful and then so be it.
I’m far more concerned about the fact that Mark Kotsay and Andruw Jones are in a platoon and one of them will be starting every day. Of the problems we have on this team, our 25th man getting a few at bats is the least of them.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 25, 2010 8:26 AM CST reply actions
Nice of you to bring up Jasyson Nix's name,
not much talk about him at all, but I think he has the talent to be the big surprise of the season if given the number of AB’s. I also hope that if no one else is brought in, Nix will be given a shot at the DH position full time.
2010 WhiteSox Baseball: "even if it works it's still stupid"
No thanks.
I would rather not have a middle infielder as my DH. Added bonus of his bat at a middle infielder position yes, DH? NO!
"You two need to get a room filled with condoms and calculators!"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 25, 2010 8:35 AM CST up reply actions
I'm trying to recall which position he was hideously bad at - 3rd or short (or both).
The only position I felt comfortable with him playing was second.
Either way, I don’t care if he’s a defensive stud at multiple positions. I’m much more interested to see how he mashes over a real number of PAs.
"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"
I don't recall him being "hideously bad" anywhere...
he had a few too many balls pop out of the mitt but he has nice range and a cannon for an arm. I do remember some hideous errors though LOL.
"You two need to get a room filled with condoms and calculators!"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 25, 2010 9:17 AM CST up reply actions
There were some awful errors. I think it was at 3rd, but - in the words of Ozzie - there's been a lot of vodka since then.
"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"
There was a 1 or 2 week period
last year where Nix was a bucher at 2nd and ss. I think it was in August and Alexei was nursing some injury for a week or so. He wad pretty solid outside of that period though, if my memory is correct…
by paul_ on Feb 25, 2010 11:33 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
It is.
In Seattle, a resigned sigh escapes the lips of a foul-mouthed angel. ~wu
by homesickalien on Feb 25, 2010 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
He is horseshot with the glove.
Has a good arm.
I just don’t feel like killing anyone else for as long as I can help it.
I could see him in a Dan Uggla mold
maybe he is one of our underrated trade pieces?
"You two need to get a room filled with condoms and calculators!"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 25, 2010 9:40 AM CST up reply actions
this is the only comment you have made that resembles something about baseball.
congrats. 1 out of the last 100+.
he had a terrible week at ss once
he was alright at third and pretty good at second
RIP Jim Thome 1-25-2010
an AL team not having a DH is like a giraffe fucking a mule. - larry
He is horseshit in the field.
Whenever he plays he sucks with the glove. Deal with it. Has some pop with the bat and has a decent arm. That’s it. He sucks. No other MLB team wants him except the Royals, I bet.
I just don’t feel like killing anyone else for as long as I can help it.
i dont even want him on the knights.
let alone the sox
If the woman is offering an opinion, you are doing it wrong. - HSA
still recovering from the getz trade eh?
and I thought colin was hit the hardest
RIP Jim Thome 1-25-2010
an AL team not having a DH is like a giraffe fucking a mule. - larry
I can't tell if this is sarcasm
I thought he was fine at 2nd, certainly not any worse than Getz.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 25, 2010 9:04 PM CST up reply actions
Not sure who you were watching then
"ass hole thi is the same line up whit leftys you idiot"
the fans and metrics think Nix was at least as good
Total Zone loves Nix, fwiw
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
I think people have his stretch at SS where he (seemingly) couldn't field a ball singed into their memory
I thought Nix was pretty fantastic defensively. His range is outstanding — the Sox haven’t had such a rangy second-baseman (IMO) since Willie Harris. I also seem to think his arm is above average (at least for second — not sure about for SS). The only thing I’d mark him down on is hands, but that might be selection bias at play — I seem to recall some pretty ‘ugly’ errors. I don’t know if there’s any predictive value in that going forward.
If he weren't white, his talent would be called "raw"
He got to a lot of balls. Also made an inordinate share of dumb plays.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
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by Sox Machine on Feb 26, 2010 12:36 AM CST up reply actions
range is the biggest factor
and non-whites get called “raw” all the time regardless of their actually rawcity.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
(( piano sample ))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ITLNzPoEqs
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Feb 26, 2010 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
i love it.
i’ve been campaigning for this to be bobby jenks’ entrance song since 2005:
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Feb 26, 2010 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
Yes you have.
Zzzzzzzzzzz.
;)
I just don’t feel like killing anyone else for as long as I can help it.
by winningugly on Feb 26, 2010 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
i've been living in hotels for a week, wu. cut me a break. just walked into my own place for first time since last thursday.
let me get my bearings before i bring any new commentary to the table.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Feb 26, 2010 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, the worried well.
Vacations are a bitch, MM.
I just don’t feel like killing anyone else for as long as I can help it.
by winningugly on Feb 26, 2010 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
shouldn't you be websensed?
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Feb 26, 2010 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
One more thing
I also don’t buy that Nix is as bad at SS as is portrayed. He’s logged close to 550 innings in his career at second and is 17 runs per 150(!). I know 550 innings isn’t a huge sample size, but I would not doubt that he’s a +10 defender there. What does this have to do with SS? Given tango’s player transitions, if you think Nix is a +5-to-10 2B, there’s no reason to think he won’t be acceptable as a SS (going forward). I know he had some bad errors there last year, but I don’t recall ever thinking he’s got any physical limitations that will prevent him from being a perfectly acceptable backup SS.
Which is why the Vizquel signing still strikes me as being rather superfluous. If he works enough of his veteran presence on Alexei I’ll be done with it and STFU. But if he doesn’t… //shakes angry fist
this was my first reaction the vizquel signing
but i also said that if the Sox don’t see Vizquel as being redundant, we may need to rethink how true it is. i still don’t see getz as better though.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
the difference between getz and nix has just been advertising.
if there weren’t any names on the jerseys, i think most people would be in nix’ corner.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Feb 26, 2010 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
I was watching Nix being an average 2B.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 26, 2010 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
be*
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 26, 2010 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
this
RIP Jim Thome 1-25-2010
an AL team not having a DH is like a giraffe fucking a mule. - larry
by blackoutsox on Feb 25, 2010 10:45 PM CST up reply actions
Who said Getz is a MLB starting 2nd baseman?
His range was awful. Adequate arm. Add China Doll physique and we lose nothing by sending him to KC.
I just don’t feel like killing anyone else for as long as I can help it.
i think getz is going to be a guy we will eventually be fairly upset we traded away.
If the woman is offering an opinion, you are doing it wrong. - HSA
I wouldn't want him as a full time DH either
But as far as options go in the White Sox camp, until Flowers is ready, I’d much rather have him in there spot starting than Vizquel.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 25, 2010 9:31 AM CST up reply actions
this goes without question.
I have a feeling Omar was signed to be a late inning defensive replacement (during blowouts), but he is being paid mainly to hang out with Ozzie and Cora.
"You two need to get a room filled with condoms and calculators!"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 25, 2010 9:37 AM CST up reply actions
Ozzie already said to use him in such a way would be disrespectful.
In Seattle, a resigned sigh escapes the lips of a foul-mouthed angel. ~wu
by homesickalien on Feb 25, 2010 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
Well lets hope (pray) Ozman was talking out of his ass...
I like your avatar (jokes aside) did you take that yourself?
"You two need to get a room filled with condoms and calculators!"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 25, 2010 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
No, but a dear friend of mine did... in Nan Luo Gu Xiang (Beijing). He's been in China since August...amateur photographer, but amazing work.
Thanks for saying so. I dig it too!
In Seattle, a resigned sigh escapes the lips of a foul-mouthed angel. ~wu
by homesickalien on Feb 25, 2010 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
any good sushi up there???
cuz im about to buy the state of washington!
"You two need to get a room filled with condoms and calculators!"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 25, 2010 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
well, if this post by mr. colin has got you down...
you catch some humor over at BCB. It’s Ron “Oh No! I can’t believe he dropped it!” Santo’s birthday.
"You two need to get a room filled with condoms and calculators!"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 25, 2010 8:46 AM CST reply actions
Colin is right, of course; there is no use fretting over this.
But isn’t there something to be said for the soul-crushing agony of being forced to actually watch games where such an obviously bad line-up decision is made? Mental anxiety can lead to physical ailments, and ultimately to a shorter lifespan. The shorter our lives are, the fewer White Sox games we’ll be able to attend!
Somebody crazier and with more free time smarter than I could probably crunch these numbers. Suffice it to say, Vizquel at DH costs more than marginal wins!
"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"
Perspective
Too much fucking perspective:
We are in a better position now than in 2009. Would you rather say “I hope our number 4/5 starters have enough gas in the tank” or “I hope our DH has enough gas in the tank.”
I’m not counting on it – but Andruw Jones may very well be the surprise of 2010.
the sox are clearly counting on it.
"You two need to get a room filled with condoms and calculators!"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 25, 2010 9:18 AM CST up reply actions
I do not believe JD is coming back. A. he is RH and B. they gave #23 away.
Dunn is a more expensive Thome… so that doesn’t make sense. AGone… well if we had the players to trade for Halladay then why not? Although, I have a feeling KW was pulling a certain homer’s leg. I heard someone mention Berkman which would be an outstanding pick up IMO.
"You two need to get a room filled with condoms and calculators!"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 25, 2010 9:29 AM CST up reply actions
Except Dunn is a younger Thome
You would get five years of good production by the time he hits Thome’s age at the time he was traded.
I think the offense is going to be completely inadequate, and will waste a golden opportunity to dominate a lousy division with one of the best rotations in team history.
The fact that this situation could’ve been avoided so easily makes it worse. For fuck sake, Jim Thome is making exactly what we’re paying Mark Kotsay! Are his innings as a backup 1B that much more valuable than the 20+ more homers that the Masher would’ve given us?
That is inexcusable!
"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"
Fuck it, I'll relax. They'll figure something out.
Boy did I hate that non-signing though. Real kick in the nuts to the man and his fans.
"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"
Believe me, I would love a laugher of a season
Club the rest of the division like a rented seal. But here we are.
to reverse this bad karma...
and yes, it must be this big.
"You two need to get a room filled with condoms and calculators!"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 25, 2010 9:23 AM CST up reply actions
abercrombie and fitch shirt
guy or girl?
bird law in this country is not ruled by reason
by soxshenanigans on Feb 25, 2010 9:26 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I was thinking that's Elvis!
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 25, 2010 9:31 AM CST up reply actions
or Erik Estrada
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 25, 2010 9:32 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Was wondering the same thing myself.
"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"
Yes
"ass hole thi is the same line up whit leftys you idiot"
Reggie Miller's sister.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 25, 2010 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
stage left
is that ugod in the tan/cammo sunhat with his head down?
Hell Yesss
by Grinder Rule #42 on Feb 25, 2010 9:39 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
stage back right
are those acid washed jeans on the beer guzzling chick that is spread eagle?
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 25, 2010 9:41 AM CST up reply actions
Someone has actually registered and started this site-
She could be the first post
by South Side Expat on Feb 25, 2010 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
continued
If the woman is offering an opinion, you are doing it wrong. - HSA
by BoeJouma on Feb 25, 2010 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
look at the sox version of bartman reaching for the ball!
"You two need to get a room filled with condoms and calculators!"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 25, 2010 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
look at the sox version of bartman
not touching that ball! sox fans lack the retard gene.
If the woman is offering an opinion, you are doing it wrong. - HSA
Wasn't it you who commented at the time, that it was almost like he guided the ball into DWheezy's glove?
In Seattle, a resigned sigh escapes the lips of a foul-mouthed angel. ~wu
by homesickalien on Feb 25, 2010 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
maybe?
all i know is that in the last 3 days ive watched the 8th and 9 innings 10+ times. relevance to you comment – none.
If the woman is offering an opinion, you are doing it wrong. - HSA
Nope not you.
Perfect. Looks like the fan is coaxing the ball into the glove in a protective way. We have the best fans.
We’re a pack of a-holes. by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
And my tradition of contributing absolutely nothing to this site…
continues.by ReservoirDog on Jul 21, 2009 2:30 PM EDT
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by homesickalien on Feb 25, 2010 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
his arms should have been crossed.
"You two need to get a room filled with condoms and calculators!"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 25, 2010 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, Vizquel at DH is spectatcularly silly but not that most harmful bad decision on the field
I was told semi-obliquely by tdogg to not criticize Pierre, and I’ve refrained from posting so as not to annoy him with pessimism. But devoting a large number of at-bats to Kotsay and Pierre are probably the 2 worst decisions in terms of losing wins. And that’s on KW — he gave Ozzie those guys.
On the plus side, if Thome and Damon were on this team, I’d be expecting them to probably win the division. Going with Mandruw Kojones and Pierre instead has tempered expectations to the point where, if they do well, it will feel like the shockingly great 2005.
If...
Jones = Dye 2005 and Pierre = Pods 2005, then the Sox are looking fine. But those are big “ifs”. Obviously other things need to fall into place (stay healthy starting pitching!!), but this team can defiitely compete in the AL Central this year. I know, that’s not exactly saying a lot.
Why is John Boehner standing with the Kool Aid man?
by 67WMAQ on Feb 25, 2010 11:43 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
New GOP tactic for the healthcare thing.
The Dems are trying to paint them as the party of No, so they want to be seen as the Party of OH YEAH!
by South Side Expat on Feb 25, 2010 11:48 AM CST up reply actions 8 recs
i wish this could go greener.
bird law in this country is not ruled by reason
by soxshenanigans on Feb 25, 2010 4:17 PM CST up reply actions
Laugh it up, Liberals.
You and your children (and my grandkids) will be paying for this thing.
I just don’t feel like killing anyone else for as long as I can help it.
i thought that was a pretty nonpartisan zinger
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
WTF?
My comment was completely nonpartisan!
Losing your sense of humor in your old age? Perhaps there is some medication you can get for damn near free under Medicare part D, which was passed by the last guys and NOT payed for, thus increasing the deficit to the tune of roughly $520 billion over ten years. Who gets to pay for that?
I’m sick of both sides, and I’m pretty sure that despite paying into the system now, I ain’t getting shit out of it when it comes my time.
by South Side Expat on Feb 25, 2010 10:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
A-yup.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Feb 26, 2010 12:42 AM CST up reply actions
Who doesn't have a sense of humor?
Look to the mirror, boy. And I have maintaned numerous times that Bush II are an idiot.
And if you look at your SS statement you’ll see the current run rate looks like it will mean 78% of estimated benefits will be funded by 2040 or so under the current budget. That is more than zero. Benefit assumptions have to be altered – people are living longer, and there are more of ’em retired that are being supported by fewer workers (one retired person: 16 workers when SS was started vs. one retired person: 2 workers by 2020).
Bottom line – you’ll get less, and have to work longer for those benefits, but “zero” is out of the question.
I just don’t feel like killing anyone else for as long as I can help it.
It was a simple Kool-Aid joke.
“Remember how the Kool-Aid man said, “OH YEAH” and burst through the wall?"
“Laugh it up, Liberals, your policies are going to bury this country further.”
It’s still you with the calibration issues.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
I was responding to SSE,
not the Kool-Aid joke.
I just don’t feel like killing anyone else for as long as I can help it.
That read like one of Gordon Beckham's old blog entries
“Remember that Family Guy where everyone said oh no and then the Kool Aid man burst through the wall and said Oh Yeah?”
just like a bleeding heart liberal to try and use the kool-aid man as a scapegoat to justify irresponsible spending.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Feb 26, 2010 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
Boehner's all cozy with the Kool-Aid Man now
But when the Kool-Aid Man develops complications from undetected full-blown diabetes due to astronomical blood-sugar levels, Boehner will want nothing to do with him.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Feb 26, 2010 11:36 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I believe Boehner is being dissed here
because of the pronunciation of his name. If it was “Boner” he’d be the cause celeb of this site,.
I just don’t feel like killing anyone else for as long as I can help it.
by winningugly on Feb 26, 2010 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
I was this close to making a Boner from Growing Pains joke
But I have too much human decency/respect for Walter Koenig
I fail to see why
I find this comment so damn funny.
I just don’t feel like killing anyone else for as long as I can help it.
by winningugly on Feb 26, 2010 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
what the corporate fat-cats in washington don't want you to know
is that kool-aid man’s smile is just a facade to conceal the pain consuming him by the lack of morals in the left-wing agenda.
gay marriage is killing the kool-aid man.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Feb 26, 2010 12:05 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
that and the aforementioned diabetes.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Feb 26, 2010 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Euthanize the elderly!
White Sox fan; Jeppson's Malort man
by KarkoviceIsHawt on Feb 26, 2010 9:22 AM CST up reply actions
no.. just use them for space exploration:
Will enjoy the zero-g.
They dont eat much, so dont have to send as much food up.
They rarely sleep, so more time for science.
Better than a Nursing home!
Just a Rip-off of the Actual El Guapo, but a fake not funny one.
by DrEmilioLizardo on Feb 26, 2010 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
True...
Zero is out of the question, that was exaggeration on my part.
But I am pissed that it is my generation and beyond who has to settle for less, while the current generation of old farts expand benefits for themselves, which is what I was going for with the Medicare thing. “Yeah, we will have to start tightening our belts, but wait until I get mine first.”
For the record, I think the current health care thing is a complete clusterfuck, and I don’t want it to pass, either.
by South Side Expat on Feb 26, 2010 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with you.
The irony is that the SS Admin offices are telling the boomers newly eligible for benefits (age 62) to “take it as soon as you can” irregardless of whether or not that is a good idea. Who died and left them financial planners? I’ve had at least 4 clients in the last week announce their impending retirement/appointment with the local SS ofice to take benefits.
In most cases I don’t recommend that, but these boomers think about today, not down the road. At least the middle class ones.
I just don’t feel like killing anyone else for as long as I can help it.
by winningugly on Feb 26, 2010 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
Nice OPOS
Irregardless: Better than any misspelling… ever.
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
I misremembered the proper word.
I just don’t feel like killing anyone else for as long as I can help it.
I'm proud of the fact that people can understand a reference to the House GOP leader on a sports blog.
Nice job, meatheads.
As for health care – there’s a lot of interesting ideas out there, but we’re not hearing about them…because highly paid political reporters in DC are more interested in who screams the loudest and the longest.
John Boehner?
Where’s the fake tan?
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
i like my kool aid man how colin likes chris getz...pantless.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Feb 25, 2010 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
also, what year was this picture taken? i can't figure out if it's 2004 or 1984.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Feb 25, 2010 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
well, that is either an muscle car meet-up or that is 1972
"You two need to get a room filled with condoms and calculators!"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 25, 2010 2:19 PM CST up reply actions
I do enjoy...
drinking the Kool Aid. But my contention that the Sox will compete in the AL Central this year makes me sound more like The Spokesman of the Obvious.
Exceptional, you magnificent bastard.
And that’s right – Patton > Monty.
I just don’t feel like killing anyone else for as long as I can help it.
"You magnificent bastard" is a Patton quote.
Attributing a Patton standard to an Englisman and not using Monty is somewhat ironic, at least in my head.
FTR, BTW.
I just don’t feel like killing anyone else for as long as I can help it.
Hannibal>Zukov et al
Just a Rip-off of the Actual El Guapo, but a fake not funny one.
by DrEmilioLizardo on Feb 26, 2010 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
Khan!!!
KHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just don’t feel like killing anyone else for as long as I can help it.
I am reminded of the old Klingon proverb...
Fangraphs. It exists.
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
captian jean luke picard>anyone ever.
If the woman is offering an opinion, you are doing it wrong. - HSA
what I got on you about
was implying that almost any level of production wouldn’t make it a worthwhile move and assuming that the chance of success for the 2 was zero. That’s just not the case. Look, any number of things could happen to make this whole conversation moot. Bottom line is if its not working the Sox will probably move quickly. And yes I get it, “its the most efficient use of resources.” Lets move on folks.
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
Not that worried
about this. Considering Teahen’s L/R split is much greater than Pierre’s (even if you regress), I think most of time that a “tough” lefty is pitching Oz will simply sit teahen and play Vizquel at 3rd. I just don’t think there will be many instances where Pierre sits against a “tough” lefty and Teahen doesn’t. If Pierre and Teahen both sit Jones will play LF and Nix DH. or Nix at 2nd with Beckham DHing.
Where I'm going, you can't follow. What I've got to do, you can't be any part of.
If I see Nix at DH
I will slit my wrists and bleed all over Chiburb. For health care.
I just don’t feel like killing anyone else for as long as I can help it.
Vizquel at DH is fine though.
The Boogeyman cometh
by omnipotent grab on Feb 25, 2010 8:40 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe WU is just looking for a way out.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 25, 2010 8:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I believe you are right.
no SSS in the daytime is more than he can take.
oh
So now it’s my fault you like fucking other peoples’ wives.
by larry on Feb 23, 2010 5:23 PM CST
he's gotten much grumpier
i thought the easy access to wine would help. this basically confirms that he has a flask at work.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
If you recall,
I have never been a Nixfan.
And Vizquel at DH has been done to death. No sense in piling on.
I just don’t feel like killing anyone else for as long as I can help it.
But this is SSS - pile it on
"ass hole thi is the same line up whit leftys you idiot"
Only Nixon could go to China
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
Did Ozzie Tweet yet today?
I want to know what he had for breakfast.
"One more game and then we can blow this son of a b@#$* up!" - Hawk Harrelson on his thoughts regarding the Metrodome
Peavy is intense, part 200
cst_sox Peavy already yelling at himself because of his control. That only took about 6 pitches.
cst_sox Peavy just broke Lillibridge’s bat. Lilli is in midseason form.
back to back, at that
and off peavy
If the woman is offering an opinion, you are doing it wrong. - HSA
Hope to Christ he doesn't punch baseballs.
I just don’t feel like killing anyone else for as long as I can help it.
Colin or Vizquel?
“I’m not going to lie to you,” XXXXX said. “Sometimes you wake up in the morning, and not every morning is the same. It’s hard to get up for a 1 o’clock game. But I think all that training and everything I’ve been doing is to get away from those bad habits, and it’s helped me out.”
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
by Chiburb on Feb 25, 2010 12:38 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
maybe ozzie is a purist? he's single handedly trying to end the DH rule...
that has to be it. the alternatives aren’t even palatable.
i smoked some killer hash with that robot one time...
he didn’t cough once! instead he started making fart noises and blamed it on me!
"You two need to get a room filled with condoms and calculators!"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 25, 2010 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
woah when can i play???
"You two need to get a room filled with condoms and calculators!"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 25, 2010 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
this. is. terrifying.
White Sox fan; Jeppson's Malort man
by KarkoviceIsHawt on Feb 25, 2010 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
that's how i think of that crossfire commercial
mad max but with tiny ball bearings
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
white sox spring training games on MLBN
Thursday, March 4
11:00: Chicago White Sox at Los Angeles Angels
Saturday, March 6
7:00: Chicago White Sox at Los Angeles Dodgers
Monday, March 15
10:00: Kansas City Royals at Chicago White Sox
Wednesday, March 17
5:00: Chicago White Sox at Los Angeles Dodgers
Wednesday, March 24
4:00: Arizona Diamondbacks at Chicago White Sox
Friday, March 19
11:00: Chicago Cubs at Chicago White Sox
most games not live.
will they be on comcast or wgn for us?
"You two need to get a room filled with condoms and calculators!"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 25, 2010 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
Thank you. To my next point...
Why the hell aren’t more games televised? Anyone who may know please explain. I think the more they show off the new park, people will be more apt to vacation down there. We see how this strategy worked for old man Wirtz!
"You two need to get a room filled with condoms and calculators!"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 25, 2010 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
I have an answer to this... I have at&t.
I get the Yes network and I get the Cleveland Indians network. Now WTF??? We need a new TV deal.
"You two need to get a room filled with condoms and calculators!"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 25, 2010 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
cubsox TV
holy shit, im about to make trillions!
"You two need to get a room filled with condoms and calculators!"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 25, 2010 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
thanx for the update
and linky link
Hell Yesss
by Grinder Rule #42 on Feb 25, 2010 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
Spring Training cliche watch, extra slim edition
@DKnobler Most impressive in Sox camp: Andruw Jones, who looks to be in such good shape that you might not recognize him
Translation: he’s actually white.
stfu
I will eat a crow, a live crow, bite its head right fucking off, if Andruw Jones is a machine this year.
In Seattle, a resigned sigh escapes the lips of a foul-mouthed angel. ~wu
by homesickalien on Feb 25, 2010 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
don't hurt yourself climbing out on that limb.
andruw jones turns into a machine. yup. real danger there.
well rios is transparent to him
i dont know if thats a good or bad sign.
"You two need to get a room filled with condoms and calculators!"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 25, 2010 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
Why is everyone slobbering over ball players coming to ST in shape?
They are professional athletes. Aren’t they suppose to be in shape?
It’s like a plumber being congratulated for showing up on the job with a wrench…so what?
Apparently Zambrano’s weight loss somehow translates into him not being a psycho this year. I personally don’t see the correlation.
"One more game and then we can blow this son of a b@#$* up!" - Hawk Harrelson on his thoughts regarding the Metrodome
I hope he punches a fan in the face in the middle of a no-hitter.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 25, 2010 5:32 PM CST up reply actions
Sweet, time for an early death.
The Boogeyman cometh
by omnipotent grab on Feb 25, 2010 6:51 PM CST up reply actions
I'm so excited!
I’m so…. scared
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by billyok on Feb 25, 2010 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
well if one were to freak out,
The day thome signed with the twins seems like a good starting point.
by Akronsoxfan on Feb 25, 2010 2:52 PM CST via mobile reply actions
i think the day we withdrew from the damon talks.
If the woman is offering an opinion, you are doing it wrong. - HSA
i said thome because i dont think anybody really expected us to sign Damon.
by Akronsoxfan on Feb 25, 2010 3:04 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
i certainly didnt at first.
and then i did. and then we didnt. and god said it was fucking retarded.
If the woman is offering an opinion, you are doing it wrong. - HSA
=^=
"You two need to get a room filled with condoms and calculators!"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 25, 2010 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
Tell that to Rainman, he practically bankrupted a casino and he was a rUHtard...
A what?
A rUHtard.
REtard.
HARRIS or BRIGGS jersey?
I can’t decide.
"You two need to get a room filled with condoms and calculators!"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 25, 2010 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
too bad he never made it to the sox
theres always hope for season 2 i guess
Hell Yesss
by Grinder Rule #42 on Feb 25, 2010 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
"A second season is planned for sometime this year. We'll announce the date as soon as it's been set. I can't wait either!" - HBO INSIDER
"You two need to get a room filled with condoms and calculators!"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 25, 2010 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
eh, blocked at work
but i heard later this fall
Hell Yesss
by Grinder Rule #42 on Feb 25, 2010 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
yeah
season two was announced a long time ago
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
seriously?
i bought a harris authentic the year of the super bowl run. have been trying to figure out a way to remove the numbers/letters and get another player stitched on.
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
ROFL
what size is it?
"You two need to get a room filled with condoms and calculators!"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 25, 2010 11:31 PM CST up reply actions
oh man
a shmedium tommy harris jersey? I would need a double xxL so i can wear a hoodie under it. oh well, thanks anyways.
"You two need to get a room filled with condoms and calculators!"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 26, 2010 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
i forgot how useful you can be
"You two need to get a room filled with condoms and calculators!"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 25, 2010 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
that is a great caption
it makes me think, we need a live update link to ozzies twitter on here…
RIP Jim Thome 1-25-2010
an AL team not having a DH is like a giraffe fucking a mule. - larry
I guess...
we are just going to rely on our starting pitching to do everything, pitch nine perfect innings every game, or at least a shutout, that way we don’t rely to heavily on the offense
Legacy of KA(i)NE
by Kaner's Revenge on Feb 25, 2010 4:34 PM CST reply actions
My shoe yesssss so sunshine out JD no have job yet?
I wonder if our culture will devolve enough to get an Ozzie autobiography written without a ghostwriter.
these intertubes, they crazy mang
Check out my facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/ozzieguillen
about 1 hours ago via web
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Feb 25, 2010 7:17 PM CST up reply actions
Stop listening to Ozzie
The guy says whatever the hell pops into his cheesy-stache wearin head. Vizquel will get the occassional start, Jones will be the primary DH, we’ll go trade whatever crappy prospects we have to get a real DH if the need arises.
Nice Eastbound references by the way.
"I'm going to let my numbers speak for themselves."
isn't that what Ozzie said?
minus the real DH part
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
I like it the bewilderingly stupid fucking decision.
by The Actual El Guapo on Feb 25, 2010 7:04 PM CST reply actions
I don't get this shit either
Looks like 07 redux. Team has a disappointing year, then KW caves in and give Ozzie all the toys that he asked for. You’d think they’d learned their lesson with the Erstad grinder nonsense.
No animals were harmed during the making of this comment.
Holy hell
http://milbprospects.blogspot.com/2010/02/top-2000-prospects-for-2010.html
Chicago White Sox Examiner — IT'S A JEEP THING YOU WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND
Hudson #76, Carl Crawford, Jr. #93, T-Flow#98, Jordy D. #121.
What, you don’t like our meteoric farm guys?
I just don’t feel like killing anyone else for as long as I can help it.
I'm more excited about the prospects of Ciolli at
1,884.
Chicago White Sox Examiner — IT'S A JEEP THING YOU WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND
by UribeAuction on Feb 25, 2010 8:19 PM CST up reply actions
he was a top prospect at a young age
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
Who is this skating chick doing her Olympic thing?
Hawt.
I just don’t feel like killing anyone else for as long as I can help it.
Knowing WU, the ambulance chaser,
he probably was talking about that Canadian with the mother that just died unexpectantly. Pouncing on those who need a shoulder to cry on, especially if there is a possible lawsuit involved is his forte’.
Or maybe he was talking about one of the other asian girls with their 12-year old body types.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Feb 26, 2010 7:22 AM CST up reply actions
Girls?
I’m Catholic. Who wants a 12 year old girl other than Cheat?
I just don’t feel like killing anyone else for as long as I can help it.
who is cheat?
larry is the actual “managing editor” around here.
"You two need to get a room filled with condoms and calculators!"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 26, 2010 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
i was outbowled by a girl in a banana suit
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by billyok on Feb 26, 2010 12:30 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
More on Andruw
Walk was on the Score last night- says Jones showed up to camp 25 pounds lighter.
Don’t know how that translates. But it’s encouraging.
And to put things in perspective
He was 20 pounds lighter when he showed up in Rangers’ camp last year.
Heh.
I want someone skinny to come into camp all bulked up. Just to get the PED talk going. Che coming in at a robust 185 would thrill me.
I just don’t feel like killing anyone else for as long as I can help it.
Only another 50 to go.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Feb 26, 2010 7:24 AM CST up reply actions
So did Nick Masset in 2008.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
Figure skating?
What next – analysis of ice dancing? Maybe we could get Johnny Weir to fill in at DH on occassion.
"I'm going to let my numbers speak for themselves."
Ice dancing is awesome.
Where else can I see two Americans dancing to an Bollywood song about prostitutes and calling it a traditional folk dance?
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 26, 2010 10:15 AM CST up reply actions
Chick watching is awesome.
Whatever they are doing.
I just don’t feel like killing anyone else for as long as I can help it.
by winningugly on Feb 26, 2010 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
so then where's your recap of yesterday's gold medal game?
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Feb 26, 2010 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
Didn't see it.
Old. Fell asleep.
I just don’t feel like killing anyone else for as long as I can help it.
by winningugly on Feb 26, 2010 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
Believe me......
There are always better girl watching options – try the interwebs
"I'm going to let my numbers speak for themselves."
this inevitably happens after a couple of glasses of wine for WU.
"You two need to get a room filled with condoms and calculators!"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 26, 2010 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
i was trying to figure out what to call that
what’s the Indian equivalent of blackface?
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
browneye
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
by Illini0509 on Feb 26, 2010 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
This made my day.
Thank you.
"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"
It wasn't offensive at all; just an amusing song choice.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 26, 2010 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
I like your sig
+1
"You two need to get a room filled with condoms and calculators!"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 26, 2010 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
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