Lineup Construction, the Tango Way
by U-God on Feb 3, 2010 7:39 PM CST
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For those who have never read a thing Colin has ever posted, Tom Tango is an expert when it comes to sabermetrics and wrote The Book: Playing the Percentages in Baseball back in 2007. The Book uses methods such as linear regression and Markov chains to help prove and disprove common long-held strategies managers have always used. The chapter I found the most interesting was the fifth, which took a very in-depth look at the true importance of batting order.
In what is now old news, it turns out that batting order means relatively little since it is essentially set in a loop that only ends with the 27th out. It is possible to get more runs out of that order through some optimization techniques. Ideally, you would like your best three hitters (using wOBA as our metric) in the 1, 2, and 4 slots. The player hitting second should walk more than the clean-up hitter, who should have more power than the man hitting second. The lead-off hitter should be comparable to the 2 and 4, but with less power as homeruns from the lead spot are less valuable. The next best hitters should bat 5th and 3rd respectively. After that, you can just plug the rest of the players into spots 6-9 in order by descending wOBA. Pretty simple right? Well, here's what you get when you try this using CHONE and Marcel projections for our 2010 Chicago White Sox.
I decided to use both the CHONE and Marcel projections from Fangraphs, so as to cover for any flaws by the other. Bill James' are just a bit too optimistic for me.
| Player | wOBA | BB% | ISO |
| Pierzynski | .314 | 5.0 | .134 |
| Konerko | .346 | 10.9 | .202 |
| Beckham | .353 | 9.6 | .181 |
| Ramirez | .327 | 6.9 | .147 |
| Teahen | .324 | 7.8 | .143 |
| Pierre | .316 | 6.0 | .076 |
| Rios | .338 | 7.0 | .170 |
| Quentin | .361 | 9.4 | .223 |
| Jones | .307 | 11.3 | .180 |
| Kotsay | .305 | 7.8 | .127 |
Using these values, Tango's reasoning, and whatever it is I bring to the table, I constructed the following batting order. It would never happen in the real world, as you'll realize as soon as you look at it.
- Alex Rios-CF
- Gordon Beckham-2B
- Alexei Ramirez-SS
- Carlos Quentin-RF
- Paul Konerko-1B
- Mark Teahen-3B
- Juan Pierre-LF
- A.J. Pierzynski-C
- Crap Taco-DH
I decided to deviate away from the set plan slightly by putting Rios at the top of the order. I did this because out of the top four hitters in wOBA, he has the lowest projected ISO which makes hitting him leadoff waste less homeruns than putting Konerko there. On days when Kotsay is DH, that bottom half of the lineup is a whole bunch of left-handed mediocrity and garbage. Kotsay and Jones are interchangeable really, as Marcel sees them only sporting a .002 difference in wOBA.
| Player | wOBA | BB% | ISO |
| Pierzynski | .315 | 3.7 | .136 |
| Konerko | .356 | 10.1 | .207 |
| Beckham | .350 | 9.0 | .182 |
| Ramirez | .329 | 6.5 | .150 |
| Teahen | .328 | 7.5 | .161 |
| Pierre | .310 | 5.2 | .081 |
| Rios | .338 | 7.0 | .169 |
| Quentin | .371 | 9.1 | .229 |
| Jones | .324 | 11.3 | .203 |
| Kotsay | .297 | 6.9 | .109 |
Not too much changes in terms of batting order when you siwth to CHONE. A.J. and Juan switch spots, and Andruw Jones moves the DH situation up to 7th against southpaws (assuming a strict platoon between him and Kotsay for simplicity's sake). The name on the left of the slash is the hitter against lefties.
- Alex Rios
- Gordon Beckham
- Alexei Ramirez
- Carlos Quentin
- Paul Konerko
- Mark Teahen
- Andruw Jones/A.J.Pierzynski
- A.J. Pierzynski/Juan Pierre
- Juan Pierre/Mark Kotsay
For those curious, Jim Thome projects in at .360/14.7%/.232 and .351/14.8%/.209 respectively. This results in the following lineups (left side Marcel, right CHONE):
- Beckham
- Thome
- Rios
- Quentin
- Konerko
- Ramirez
- Teahen
- Pierre/Pierzynski
- Pierzynski/Pierre
I loathe Mark Kotsay more and more every day.
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I ran the projected lineup a little while ago on the lineup optimizer
I think it went like this:
Beckham
Quentin
Kotsay/Jones
Rios
Konerko
Pierzynski
Ramirez
Teahen
Pierre
All the good ones had Beckham first and Pierre last, but it doesn’t account for base running.
God, that looks brutal.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
He was trying to part the Red Sea
to give himself a worthy arrival, but assholes kept high-five-ing him
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
http://lostinthevines.blogspot.com/
by lostinthevines on Feb 4, 2010 9:04 AM CST up reply actions
Do you think Jeremy Renner has that exact picture on Facebook right now?
White Sox fan; Jeppson's Malort man
by KarkoviceIsHawt on Feb 4, 2010 9:20 AM CST up reply actions
What a peculiar name
12:12
[Comment From Larry Lawyer]
Could Pomeranz fall to the White Sox at 13? They stated that they intend on focusing upon pitching for the draft. Any other highly touted pitchers that could fall to them?
12:13
If your name is really Larry Lawyer, that’s awesome. And yes, Pomeranz could fall, as there are legitimate concerns about his delivery. He’s not the smoothest or most athletic pitcher, and he’ll have to prove yet again this spring that he can be durable over the course of a full college season, and I bet he’s worked to death like Kyle Gibson was a year ago. There are other quality names that will be available at #13, so it all depends on who they prefer.
Our larry lawyer doesn't use capitalization.
Besides, I thought he was a full time disc jockey now.
by The Actual El Guapo on Feb 3, 2010 8:44 PM CST up reply actions
Ladies Labias Lovingly Long Larry
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 3, 2010 9:27 PM CST up reply actions
Llookout Llary, it's the llandllord!
It’s not robbing Peter to pay Paul — it’s bludgeoning Peter to death, and then realizing on the way back that you forgot to grab his wallet.
reply fail
It’s not robbing Peter to pay Paul — it’s bludgeoning Peter to death, and then realizing on the way back that you forgot to grab his wallet.
Fucking Christ, this whole "my DH needs to play defense" thing still pisses me off.
Could somebody please help Ozzie remove his head from his ass? I’m looking at you, Kenny Williams.
Somebody, anybody? Please, make it all go away. Jesus hasn’t been listening to me recently. I think he’s pissed because I accidentally cock-blocked him at a party the other weekend ;)
A few more words, and I could have used this as an e-gus right rail post – BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!
FUCK EVYTHING BACON RULZ WEER GONNA WIN TEH CHAMPSHIOP
...colintj, Nov8, 2009
Remember... the crack always listens.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Feb 4, 2010 8:43 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Here are average projections
From Chone, Bill James, Rob Neyer, Baseball Guru and a couple others.
http://www.fan-exchange.com/mlb/predictionshitting.asp?franchid=CHW&yearid=2010
neyer
has beckham playing in 96 games and de aza playing in 89, bridge in 121 an nix in 105. hmmm. looks like most expect rios to bounce back.
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
The general consensus is that the Sox will score 100+ more runs in 2010
While the Twins will score between 10-20 more runs.
Yes, I want an actual bat to replace Crap Taco (available as part of the fourthmeal), but we should also step away from the panic button.
As I have started my serious fantasy stuff
I have become more optimistic about Jones’s season. Jones really had some bad luck last year and his numbers definitely took a dive after the hamstring injury in August. I don’t expect anything crazy from him, but I do up his % for success a little. I still figure the team in the 780 range now without changes which of course will happen at some point. I am especially encouraged by some of the Garcia projections I’ve seen. Mainly in IP and the bump I give to almost all Sox starters because of their organization. I hitch my wagon again to this starting staff. Its going to be damn good.
Of course predictions are well predictions.
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
i don't think i've seen a single projection with the white sox scoring 825 runs
and i certainly don’t think that’s the consensus, either.
"predictionshitting"
Too late for the WSB slogan?
you know, perhaps you should attempt to make your prediction compilations make sense.
like by not having the total team ABs add up to 6500.
I do
but i overlooked that. That’s straight from his download so I’ll point it out to him. I wonder if Chone takes that stuff into consideration when he compiles his numbers.
I really like this new Crap Taco guy...
sounds real fluid, which should mean that he wont clog that bases.
On a more serious note, great post U-God.
Hell Yesss
by Grinder Rule #42 on Feb 4, 2010 7:51 AM CST reply actions
Don't explain the joke
when it goes green. Craps all over it.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
by winningugly on Feb 4, 2010 2:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I must be taking too much Day Quil
I kind of like that projected line up. Ozzie would never use it though.
The Cubs are not a baseball team. They are a baseball-themed marketing company that hosts frat parties for post grads and tourists.
It hurts your eyes because of the shine off of Vizquel and Jones golden gloves
I will take a rotation of two golden gloves (Jones/Vizquel), a left handed hitter who drives hits the opposite direction and is known for his situational hitting off the bench (Kotsay), and Jason Nix, a versatile hitter, runner, golden glove defender at second, over Jim Thome at DH any day! This lineup is deeeeeep when you consider the DH rotations off the bench.
Ron Rivera Return
by Oso Monstar of Midway on Feb 4, 2010 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
if you don't have shiny gloves it matters less what your DH does
The Sox beat themselves more last season than other teams did. Think of all the errors in the infield, in the outfield, the Sox were one of the worst. Thome and Dye would have both needed to rip at least 35 homers each last season to make up for that. Any struggle on defense is accounted for with this new bench and its a real commitment to our pitching.
Ron Rivera Return
by Oso Monstar of Midway on Feb 4, 2010 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
and we switched the defensive struggle to the offense
its like the world’s least fun see-saw
"A brief but trenchant analysis of Scott Podsednik
He’s dogshit."
by NYRoyal on Jan 8, 2010 8:56 AM PST
Well those gold gloves are nice..
What does it matter if the DH is wearing them?
Yes.. if a foul ball comes to the dugout, someone will be able to save Harold Baines. That’s great, but I don’t see how that helps us win games. Unless the guys playing in the field every day have gold gloves it really doesn’t matter.
Yes.. if a foul ball comes to the dugout, someone will be able to save Harold Baines. That’s great, but I don’t see how that helps us win games. Unless the guys playing in the field every day have gold gloves it really doesn’t matter. Mark Teahen is no great shakes at third base, Beckham is learning a new position, Q is average, Konerko has limited range and Pierre has no arm. These are the guys playing defense on a daily basis not your collection of broken down gold glovers.
Yes.. if a foul ball comes to the dugout, someone will be able to save Harold Baines. That’s great, but I don’t see how that helps us win games. Unless the guys playing in the field every day have gold gloves it really doesn’t matter. Mark Teahen is no great shakes at third base, Beckham is learning a new position, Q is average, Konerko has limited range and Pierre has no arm. These are the guys playing defense on a daily basis not your collection of broken down gold glovers.In any case, the defense from the bench was not the problem last year. Wise & Anderson were fine in the outfield, probably much better than Andruw Jones at this point in his career. Jayson Nix was on the bench last year, so was Mark Kotsay. Even if the defense of the bench & DH did matter, we only added one guy, and he’s 43, so you would still be wrong.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 4, 2010 11:21 AM CST up reply actions 8 recs
Post fail..
I’d recommend cloaking that one, to whoever has that ability.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 4, 2010 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
I do, but it's funnier than the Sox this off-season and should stay.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
Yeah right. Among this pack of a-holes?
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Feb 4, 2010 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
I was expecting a 4th paragraph, GIT.
Disappointing. But no cloak for you.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
I do it for the OPOS like you
Figure you wouldn’t remember what I had to say if I only typed it once.
I blame my work’s terrible internet service / laptop, or me taking up drinking and typing. I don’t know how it happened, very strange.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 4, 2010 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
What have I
What have I
What have I done to deserve this?
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Feb 4, 2010 2:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Is this Dusty Springfield or the Pet Shop Boys?
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
But, I ask, will someone be able to save Harold Baines?
Or Harold Baines.
Or, perhaps, Harold Baines.
by The Actual El Guapo on Feb 4, 2010 7:29 PM CST up reply actions
Harold Baines is still alive?
huh!
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Feb 4, 2010 7:43 PM CST up reply actions
This lineup is crappppppppppppppppppppppppp when you consider the DH rotation off the bench.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 4, 2010 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
i like 1-5
and teahen hitting sixth really doesn’t bother me much either, but a real dh bumping everyone down a lot would be awesome
"A brief but trenchant analysis of Scott Podsednik
He’s dogshit."
by NYRoyal on Jan 8, 2010 8:56 AM PST
This lineup is the best I have seen in years!
Pierre- offensive all star caliber at lead off
Rios – named to All Star A.L. Team in his short career
Quentin – named to All Star A.L. Team in his short career
Konerko – Captain for obvious reasons
Pierzinski – lefty .300 hitter, very skilled defensively and offensively, co-captain if he wasn’t an A-hole
Gordon Beckham – Rookie of the Year by many baseball critics
Mark Teahen – Metrodome a curse for the Sox, Cellular Field a blessing for Teahen
Alexei Ramirez – Rookie of the Year had it not been for Evan Langoria
DH – Kotsay, one word, clutch
Vizquel, its like Juan Uribe is back, and he can bunt and run!
Andruw Jones, good for home run parks
Jason Nix, should have gotten some kind of utility rookie of the year recognition
Ron Rivera Return
by Oso Monstar of Midway on Feb 4, 2010 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
you sure love nix.
and yet you criticize errors. seems like you need to either rethink errors as a useful statistic or nix as a gold glove defender.
Nix
I have never seen a second baseman turn a double play as well and as fast as Nix and it was his first year. The kid can hit home runs, steal bases, play defense…yes in his first season he made errors…and i have seen him stay alive in at bats in a way that most of the Sox lineup couldn’t.
Ron Rivera Return
by Oso Monstar of Midway on Feb 4, 2010 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
i'm confused now.
so errors are an important measure of defense. except when they’re not. maybe the answer is simply they’re not important at all.
Radio has tempered your razor's edge.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
Unleash the
Unleash the ire
Unleash the ire larry!
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Feb 4, 2010 2:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
damn, oso leave some kool-aid for the rest of us.
and I hust got this shiny new sig but really want to use this:
DH – Kotsay, one word, clutch
Yes.. if a foul ball comes to the dugout, someone will be able to save Harold Baines. That’s great, but I don’t see how that helps us win games. x3 - Grinder In Training
i'll just crap on a few of those
Ken Harvey was an All-Star A.L. Team in his short career
Kotsay=Clutch? Not really
Vizquel is like having juan uribe back, but a lot older and weaker
"A brief but trenchant analysis of Scott Podsednik
He’s dogshit."
by NYRoyal on Jan 8, 2010 8:56 AM PST
For the love of God, how is this not green?
by The Actual El Guapo on Feb 4, 2010 7:32 PM CST up reply actions
Sure, NOW you invoke the name of the Lord.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
and kotsay also doesn't hit the ball the other direction a ton
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=kotsama01&year=2009&t=b#hitlo
"A brief but trenchant analysis of Scott Podsednik
He’s dogshit."
by NYRoyal on Jan 8, 2010 8:56 AM PST
Realistically, if Rios bounces back and has an average to above average year,
is there any chance we see him in the leadoff spot? Or is that gonna be Pierre all day?
false. too much melanin, not enough stubble.
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Feb 4, 2010 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
The new numbers are here!
40- JJ Putz
7- Mark Kotsay
23- Mark Teahen
17- Omar Vizquel
30- Alejandro De Aza
25- Andruw Jones
1- Juan Pierre
7 still the number for ineptitude.
The Boogeyman cometh
by omnipotent grab on Feb 4, 2010 10:25 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
it's kind of like wearing #3 at Notre Dame
but the opposite
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
Anyone over 40 gets 17.
At least on the Sox. Vizquel will do General Soreness proud, I am sure.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
ha, I was just writing essentially the same thing... much better wording though. ;)
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Feb 4, 2010 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
does being as frail as someone over 40 count?
"A brief but trenchant analysis of Scott Podsednik
He’s dogshit."
by NYRoyal on Jan 8, 2010 8:56 AM PST
Sure, as long as he's off the team.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
does the grindy fastish guy need to have number 1?
why doesn’t he just take 00?
bird law in this country is not ruled by reason
by soxshenanigans on Feb 4, 2010 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
"1" is not for grindyness, it's for his leadoff position.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
ah, i see now
bird law in this country is not ruled by reason
by soxshenanigans on Feb 4, 2010 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
Helps Ozzie with his scorecards.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Feb 4, 2010 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
#23 makes me kind of sad.
Yes.. if a foul ball comes to the dugout, someone will be able to save Harold Baines. That’s great, but I don’t see how that helps us win games. x3 - Grinder In Training
White people should not be allowed to wear #23 in any sport. Just wrong.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 4, 2010 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
:(
"A brief but trenchant analysis of Scott Podsednik
He’s dogshit."
by NYRoyal on Jan 8, 2010 8:56 AM PST
Jordan
would never have let himself get put in a headlock.
Hell Yesss
by Grinder Rule #42 on Feb 4, 2010 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
trivia time: Who is the only player Jordan ever punched in the NBA?
Yes.. if a foul ball comes to the dugout, someone will be able to save Harold Baines. That’s great, but I don’t see how that helps us win games. x3 - Grinder In Training
Merritt Island, FL native.
Always heard he’s a nice guy. Hard to believe someone would get into a dust-up with His Airness.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
I know this is wrong...
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
if you so much as made that face at your wifey, you'd be the bitch gettin' slapped.
he better hope i don't get his aim, bro.
by Toonderstrook on Feb 4, 2010 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
Sez you.
(As he pictures packing his suitcase.)
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
Danny Ferry
Jordan punched Danny Ferry.
Yes.. if a foul ball comes to the dugout, someone will be able to save Harold Baines. That’s great, but I don’t see how that helps us win games. x3 - Grinder In Training
Wasn't it the other way around?
Duke/UNC runs deep.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
Swung 3-4x.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
Steve Kerr
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 4, 2010 5:33 PM CST up reply actions
why dont we retire 23?
the best 3b men in sox history and our only WS mvp in 88 years…
RIP Jim Thome 1-25-2010
an AL team not having a DH is like a giraffe fucking a mule. - larry
Boy they couldnt wait to give away 23 and 25 could they? seriously?
and Vizquel now has the cursed 17
RIP Jim Thome 1-25-2010
an AL team not having a DH is like a giraffe fucking a mule. - larry
O Dog a Twin:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/02/orlando-hudson-rumors-thursday.html
bad day for Punto…
haha
and u-god at 2nd
Hell Yesss
by Grinder Rule #42 on Feb 4, 2010 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
this is funny
Yes.. if a foul ball comes to the dugout, someone will be able to save Harold Baines. That’s great, but I don’t see how that helps us win games. x3 - Grinder In Training
fuckin earth wind and fire
goddamn yankees of the west
Hell Yesss
by Grinder Rule #42 on Feb 4, 2010 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
at Boogie Wonderland Park
Yes.. if a foul ball comes to the dugout, someone will be able to save Harold Baines. That’s great, but I don’t see how that helps us win games. x3 - Grinder In Training
is that ozzie montana?
Yes.. if a foul ball comes to the dugout, someone will be able to save Harold Baines. That’s great, but I don’t see how that helps us win games. x3 - Grinder In Training
shit.
im turning into wu.
Yes.. if a foul ball comes to the dugout, someone will be able to save Harold Baines. That’s great, but I don’t see how that helps us win games. x3 - Grinder In Training
Wait until your question is answered.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
Craig Robinson does not know his shit
“And my DJ the catcher, he’s my man
Anyway he’s the one who devised the plan
He throws the signs I hook up the beats with clout
I throw the rhymes to the mic and I strike em out
So it really doesn’t matter on how you intrigue
You can’t FUCK with those in the major leagues”
Obviously, the RZA is behind the plate and GZA is on the mound.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
by colintj on Feb 4, 2010 2:11 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Love the umpires
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
Gonna be especially challenging for Bonham to ump.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Feb 4, 2010 5:22 PM CST up reply actions
The man played the meanest drums in hard rock wasted out of his fucking mind
Methinks he can handle being an umpire with just a little death clouding his vision.
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
Keith Moon.
End of story.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
Moon was too out of control behind the skins for my taste.
Bonham I feel was much more tasteful with his playing, but knew when to cut loose.
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
Rock and roll is supposed to be out of control.
Moon could do the ballads, too. “Behind Blue Eyes.” Bonham was channeling Moon during “Rock and Roll”, anyway.
Potato, potahto.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
and here’s another
http://sports.bodog.com/sports-betting/baseball-futures.jsp
so we’ve got two v. two. and that probably isn’t fully incorporating the hudson signing. i think we can stop now.
NOOOOOOOOO
"A brief but trenchant analysis of Scott Podsednik
He’s dogshit."
by NYRoyal on Jan 8, 2010 8:56 AM PST
by U-God on Feb 4, 2010 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
false representation
the larry one would also have a sting on the back
RIP Jim Thome 1-25-2010
an AL team not having a DH is like a giraffe fucking a mule. - larry
Teh Twinn.
Just keeps getting better and better. The teeth-gnashing, I mean. Next they’ll pick up Damon.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
i hope they do. than they will have two meny good bats and not enuf atbats 4 all of them. the joek will be on them 4 sure.
he better hope i don't get his aim, bro.
by Toonderstrook on Feb 4, 2010 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
more likely alexi casilla is weeping.
punto will probably get about the same ABs, just now at third in a partnership with bartlett. casilla is the one who is fucked by this.
As he should be.
He looked brutal last year. His stick belongs in our “rotating DH with a glove” melange.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
i'm not usually one to complain about payroll
but there is something ass-backwards when the twins have approximately the same payroll as the white sox.
I thought Old Man Pohlad had the money, he just never spent it.
The Twins draw from Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin, and the Dakotas.
The Sox have Chicago, the burbs, and parts of Indiana.
That’s got to affect sponsorships, radio/TV contracts, and such and such.
Their asset base might be deeper.
If they have been spending 20-30% less than the Sox the past 5-10 years, and getting to the playoffs more often, perhaps they do have the revenue. Minny fans have few options in terms of MLB loyalties. Chicago fans have more than one choice.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
OK, where can we see this?
Are the Sox a head-and-shoulders more “valuable” team? (Googles “Forbes”. Sits down, humiliated.)
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2009/33/baseball-values-09_The-Business-Of-Baseball_Rank.html
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
i'd note that forbes number wouldn't be up to date.
the twins metrodome lease wasn’t particularly lucrative. i think we all knew they’d be able to increase payroll in 2010 due to the new revenue from target field. but the 50% increase or so they’re looking at right now is quite a bit bigger than i thought.
they have to show Mauer they are serious about staying relevant.
Yes.. if a foul ball comes to the dugout, someone will be able to save Harold Baines. That’s great, but I don’t see how that helps us win games. x3 - Grinder In Training
way bigger than i expected
we could be in trouble.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
TWSS
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Feb 4, 2010 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It is a sloooow news day, ain't it, SM?
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
Logic is fine.
Logic is also occasionally fallacious. We thought it logical to go to camp with an actual DH. Logic said you would’ve skewered Oso of the Midway earlier. Assumptions must be questioned every now and again.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
Without looking I'd bet that the populations of Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin, and the Dakotas are at least similar to the total population of the Chicago Metro Area
Of course you can’t assume that everyone in Chicaog is a White Sox fan, but you also can’t assume that everyone in MN, IA, WI, SD and ND are Twins fans either.
Upon further review:
Chicago Metro: 9.6 million
vs.
MN, IA, WI, SD and ND: 15.3 million
What does this prove? I have absolutely no idea, but I’m sure someone here can figure it out.
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
well...
them dakotans may watch the twinn on the tele, but i’m guessing most of them aren’t revving up their horse-drawn buggies for the 200-mile trek to the twin cities during farming season to catch nick punto in action. now of course, things may change now that they’re procured the services of ji jim thome.
he better hope i don't get his aim, bro.
by Toonderstrook on Feb 4, 2010 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
Up is down.
The End of the Dome = Liberation of Twinn Dollars.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
good point.
Plus you can’t keep a grindy player down. That’s one of the attributes of grindiness.
by Akronsoxfan on Feb 4, 2010 1:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
We knew you meant that.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
fucksticks.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Feb 4, 2010 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
Yet another one of my favorite former Sox goes to a division rival.
Seriously, I’m just waiting for Cleveland to get Kotchman.
by The Actual El Guapo on Feb 4, 2010 7:37 PM CST up reply actions
With Ohud to Twins
Taking a look at the teams, which do you feel has the better shot at the division…
Danks/Floyd/Buehrle/Peavy/Garcia vs Liriano/Blackburn/Baker/Perkins/Duensing
I feel the bullpen is a slight edge in Chicago’s favor.
Pierre / Beckham / Q / PK / AJ / Che / Rios / Teahen / DH
Span / Ohudson / Mauer / Morneau / Cuddyer / Thome / Kubel (if put in LF or Delmon) / Hardy / Punto (3b ?)
I did not want to go into a deep analysis of the two clubs myself as I have lengthy thoughts, but am curious to how you feel the Sox truly matchup versus the Twinkies.
larry does not speak for all of us.
But I bet he does in this instance.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
i just hope
he’s wrong for once
Hell Yesss
by Grinder Rule #42 on Feb 4, 2010 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
as far as the spread is concerned
it does
Hell Yesss
by Grinder Rule #42 on Feb 4, 2010 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
i knew
that was gonna bite me in the ass…
Hell Yesss
by Grinder Rule #42 on Feb 4, 2010 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
Teh. Twin.
I can type it three times for you if that helps.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 4, 2010 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
Look up the first time TAEG used it.
I spell it as he did.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
ah.. I know of the two N's.. I didn't respect it.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 4, 2010 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
Here you go.
Inspired By Bear-Down’s Search:
http://www.southsidesox.com/2008/8/4/586655/clayton-richard-optioned-t#7884126
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
by winningugly on Feb 4, 2010 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Get a legit DH, and we're much closer
and Im still dreaming of Gonzalez hitting 70 homeruns in the cell
do it Kenny!
RIP Jim Thome 1-25-2010
an AL team not having a DH is like a giraffe fucking a mule. - larry
With ODOG apparently headed to the Twin Cities.....
I hope KW and JR have a friendly conversation tonight that discusses what the White Sox need to do to answer the Twins’ off-season……
One move IMO would be to get S. Downs from the Jays. It would give us two very tough lefties for the 7-9 (though admittedly I don’t know Downs’ splits against lefties…just assuming they are solid).
The other of course is strengthening the lineup—-and this where they need to just go get Damon and be done with it. So what if it’s Boras? We need him and I actually think signing Damon could give a bump to ticket sales when indiviudal tickets go on sale in a couple of weeks because we know that’s what really matters.
You Really Think Damon Will Budge On His 2 yr Contract Demand?
I do NOT at all want Damon for 2 years. IF he takes one year, I doubt KW is willing to open the checkbook for what Damon would want anyway.
He doesn't have to give him what he wants..
That ship has long sailed. He just have to give him what the market says his value is, which is much lower.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 4, 2010 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
you don't have to cap
your titles.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
i was imagining him going back and capchecking
just to make sure. i wonder how much time he spent deciding “yr” should be all lowcase.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
i read titles as titties
and then giggled
Yes.. if a foul ball comes to the dugout, someone will be able to save Harold Baines. That’s great, but I don’t see how that helps us win games. x3 - Grinder In Training
gus is suffering from an inflammation of WU?
that is frightening
"A brief but trenchant analysis of Scott Podsednik
He’s dogshit."
by NYRoyal on Jan 8, 2010 8:56 AM PST
So Pierre for 2 years...fine. But not Damon -- no way
by hitlesswonder on Feb 4, 2010 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
Didn't We Get $ From LA
To take on Pierre? I’m thinking the asking price for Damon might be too much at this point, I mean it IS KW. Also, it’s called timing. AT THE TIME, Damon was wanting WAY more than taking on Pierre, but now w/o Pierre it probably doesn’t look too bad. Timing.
We're giving Pierre 5.5 per
Damon isn’t going to do much better than that despite being twice as good as Pierre.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
It's Great Looking At Old Posts
http://www.southsidesox.com/2009/12/15/1201866/kenny-always-gets-his-man
“Of course, if the $8 million commitment prevents the acquisition of a player with some real offensive value and/or Ozzie decides to play Pierre in CF because “he real fast”, this could turn out badly."
No truer words could be said……..
Don't You Mean The Check Is In The Mail?
he better hope i don't get his aim, bro.
by Toonderstrook on Feb 4, 2010 2:55 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
LOL.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
Search. It exists?
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
whatever
4 per. Damon isn’t going to get much more.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
2/$20 or he's going to take his beard and go home.
he better hope i don't get his aim, bro.
by Toonderstrook on Feb 4, 2010 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
$7 mil for one year sound good?
Possible hang-up on Johnny Damon?
I think if it were only an issue of a one-year contract, the Tigers and Johnny Damon by now might have a deal.
But the belief, strong belief, is that agent Scott Boras wants a second year. And that’s likely a deal-breaker for the Tigers as they ponder whether to add a nice top-of-the-order bat to their undernourished lineup.
The Tigers don’t want to tie up that much cash on multiple contract years. They’ve been through the mill there and they’re not going to risk another contract they regret, even if it’s for one season, and even if Damon represents — today, anyway — little risk.
If they can do a one-year arrangement, even for $7 million or a bit more, they could well go for it.
But it looks as if Boras is going for bigger game. In fact, Boras being Boras, you know he is.
the Boras angle is overblown
Boras has probably lost his client significant cash in this one. it’s usually advised that the best go to Boras and anyone else should get their asses out. his willingness to hold out often fucks over nonpremium talent.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
One question.
Do you think KW would’ve held off on the Pierre trade had he KNOWN Damon would still be available right now?
if you're asking if KW would have made the trade JP
and what he’s being paid for JD and what he’ll be paid, I’m sure he would.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
but aside from that
the problem is that it means Kenny would be paying for WAJP, not WAR. he already has a left fielder for ‘09 with a positive WAR. the Tigers have the positional flexibility and roster spots to effectively add wins above replacement. Kenny would be getting something like 1-1.5 WAJP and paying 7M for that isn’t especially appealing, especially since the Twins have already significantly reduced the Sox’ playoff chances.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
yeah no kidding
any chance you can figure out what kenny was thinking? i assume he guessed the twins wouldn’t have the money/smarts to do what they’ve done this offseason?
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
more likely he has a payroll limit and decided, in his usual pattern, that striking early is better than waiting.
which may have been a good idea in the past but certainly hasn’t been in the past two offseasons.
the reason to strike early it would be to avoid
having to deal with set market prices?
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
maybe.
usually the reason is to get the players you want. of course, that’s usually because they’re premium players. seems like KW got some of his (and maybe ozzie’s) guys, like pierre and vizquel. maybe throw in jones. vizquel signed a minor league deal in january last offseason. jones probably wasn’t getting a huge number of offers. didn’t really need to sign these guys in november, methinks.
KW probably doesn’t view these players quite so fungibly. you know, that whole sixth tool thing.
I would love Damon for 2 years
Ozzie, Kenny, and the Sox all win
RIP Jim Thome 1-25-2010
an AL team not having a DH is like a giraffe fucking a mule. - larry
I've decided to just look at it through Ozzie glasses
Only way you’ll feel any better. Andruw Jones has to be decent.. there’s just no other explanation for what we’ve done here. They have to think whatever his problems were, he’ll be fine. There is no other reason to skip out on Thome, Damon, Dye, or any other potential DH that can he had on the cheap right now. I’ll just assume the guys who saw him in person know what their talking about until it’s proven they don’t.. otherwise its going to be a frustraing few months.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 4, 2010 2:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That must be it. It's hard to believe he's going to be anywhere near what he was, though.
And, even if expecting he will, wouldn’t it still make sense to nab another cheap bat, especially a lefty one?
If that is being written from the perspective of Ozzie
you’re forgetting that Ozzie was (supposedly) the one who passed on Thome.
It’s not robbing Peter to pay Paul — it’s bludgeoning Peter to death, and then realizing on the way back that you forgot to grab his wallet.
Ozzie wasnt the one to get Andruw Jones and Teehans though.
Its more like a double-team.
They both fucked us.
Yes.. if a foul ball comes to the dugout, someone will be able to save Harold Baines. That’s great, but I don’t see how that helps us win games. x3 - Grinder In Training
fial
im in right field today
Hell Yesss
by Grinder Rule #42 on Feb 4, 2010 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
It looks like Hudson is going to get $6MM
So that’s a total of about 2.5-3 WAR Kenny passed up between Thome and Hudson for like $8MM total. So instead of being tied, perhaps ahead of the Twins, we’re now trying to make up 2-4 wins. So JR is paying $100MM for a 25% chance at the playoffs? Sounds like good business.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
Didn't O-Dog flame out the latter part of last year?
He’s Getz with speed, better OBP, and age. Gets hurt a lot. I’m not sad we didn’t bid on his services at that price.
However, we should resurrect the Orlando Hudson Honorary Right-Rail posts.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=hudsoor01&year=2009&t=b#half
"A brief but trenchant analysis of Scott Podsednik
He’s dogshit."
by NYRoyal on Jan 8, 2010 8:56 AM PST
He played fewer games the 2nd half,
though I can see his production didn’t fall off as I thought.
I’ll shut up now.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
Why would he think that?
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
Why would he think Hudson should be benched,
unless Hudson really was not any better than Belliard. So, yes, I defer to Torre’s judgment. Maybe it isn’t such a bad thing that we didn’t get Hudson…
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
It exists.
Joe’s a big idiot. I know. Sounds like a KenWo/Ozzie thing. Thank God for Scioscia/Leyland.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
jesus christ - not capitalized
WU – capitalized
Yes.. if a foul ball comes to the dugout, someone will be able to save Harold Baines. That’s great, but I don’t see how that helps us win games. x3 - Grinder In Training
by e-gus on Feb 4, 2010 4:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe I wasn't so far off:
Granted, Belliard got hot, absurdly hot, and few could argue with the move when the Dodgers advanced to their second straight National League Championship Series. But what the heck happened to Hudson? Did he suddenly just stink?
Well, sort of — Hudson, 32, had a .915 OPS before May 28 and a .696 OPS after that date. Still, two of the three scouts for a postseason team that scouted him down the stretch categorized him as a fringe All-Star.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/Rosenthal-Orlando-Hudson-to-Twins-020410
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
I know it is a sss.
I just remebered him starting the season very hot and cooling off. As you recall, last year there was a louder din on this site re: signing Hudson, so I paid attention to how he was doing most of the year.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
he's been worth 2-3 wins the past however many seasons
and he’s getting one year.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
I see you've followed my lead
And are just pretending Ozzie and KW have to do know what their doing, so you can get through the offseason feeling better about it..
by Grinder in Training on Feb 4, 2010 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
without looking it up
isn’t he one of the better defensive 2bers also?
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
Jayson Nix sets the bar too high..
Everyone else pales in comparison. Hudson only looked good previously b/c Nix wasn’t in the league yet.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 4, 2010 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
wow
just looked it up. didn’t realize he hasn’t been good for a while.
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
but they've downgraded to a replacement-level stadium
so maybe its a wash
His name is Rios and he dances on the sand
See, I believe they know the Dome factor is toast now,
so they actually have to win via skill in concert with the Law of Averages. Like the rest of us.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
so they're going to kick our ass after they stop cheating too?
great.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
No.. they're still cheating
It’s just outdoors now. They are bringing their giant fans over to the new field before the season starts. They wouldn’t risk playing an on even playing field. If things go really down hill, they are bringing the turf over next.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 4, 2010 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
the question is...will they be forced to buy two seats apiece?
he better hope i don't get his aim, bro.
by Toonderstrook on Feb 4, 2010 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Whoosh.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
Sox working on a Hispanic Ad Campaign
I like this. Now maybe instead of drunken trailer trash charging the field, we can have stampedes inside and players stabbed in bars after they drop fly balls. Imagine the accountability.
i dunno what you're insinuating
but i like how the new slogan fits in perfectly with the topic of that article.
i like
how theyre not cuttin out bbdo…
“sure you can have a piece of the pie, but stick to marketing to your own kind!”
Hell Yesss
by Grinder Rule #42 on Feb 5, 2010 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
They'd better feature an ad campaign melding baseball and cockfighting.
You get great results in the Hispanic community when you focus on cockfighting. PR, especially.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
PR went NUTS the last time she watched billy and I cockfight
by Trooper on Feb 4, 2010 3:59 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Gamethread?
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
good good times
Sxrew that the bears suck, next. GO BLACKHAWKS! Spring training starts in February and Arena Football is coming back too. YAY!!!!!!!!!
by pierzynskirules on Feb 6, 2010 11:22 PM CST up reply actions
i did, hmm interesting?
Sxrew that the bears suck, next. GO BLACKHAWKS! Spring training starts in February and Arena Football is coming back too. YAY!!!!!!!!!
by pierzynskirules on Feb 6, 2010 11:21 PM CST up reply actions
The Twins acquisition of Hudson is disturbing...but Sox still can make a move too
luckily enough we got room to add one more seasoned hitter, including salary space, because our DH spot is still technically open for rotation for any Sox hitter to move into if a new player comes in who plays a position better than currently occupied. It won’t cause a lineup conflict and our bench would still be strong, we would just need to drop a bullpen pitcher or a cheap bench guy, both options are doable.
Ron Rivera Return
by Oso Monstar of Midway on Feb 4, 2010 3:35 PM CST reply actions
we have many DH options including Kotsay
but we also have the option of bringing in another relevant bat. Thats the flexibility Ozzie is boasting about.
Ron Rivera Return
by Oso Monstar of Midway on Feb 4, 2010 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
can't be a bat. there aren't enough ABs for that.
must be a glove. perhaps a cleat.
by larry on Feb 4, 2010 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
there aren't enough at bats for Thome
thome can only hit. other players with more tools would definitely get more at bats.
Ron Rivera Return
by Oso Monstar of Midway on Feb 4, 2010 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
I fail to see what a Craftsman sponsorship has to do with getting at-bats.
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
I was thinking perhaps some pine tar.
George Brett used a lot of pine tar.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
what is the problem with Kotsay?
when he came to the club he hit better than Dye, Thome, Quentin, or Rios, check the batting averages all around
Ron Rivera Return
by Oso Monstar of Midway on Feb 4, 2010 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
yeah the fucking batting averages.
that’s the ticket.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
the Sox had one of the worst batting averages in baseball
you better believe thats the ticket
Ron Rivera Return
by Oso Monstar of Midway on Feb 4, 2010 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
if you're going to cite batting average as meaning something
then just go away. if you can’t even use a triple slash or OPS, then just go away. read Moneyball. it’s like sabermetrics for 8th Graders.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
If you're going to be that condescending, you should make sure you're 100 percent correct.
The Sox do need more hits, and the Kotsay that the Sox saw last year would provide value.
If you’re going to do the Lord of Rudimentary Sabermetrics act, stick with sample sizes. You should’ve said that Kotsay’s has been lousy for most of the last four years, and he’s had two back surgeries in four years.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Feb 4, 2010 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
i expect folks who read SSS actually have some interest in finding out
why wOBA is better than OPS. this guy is talking in batting average, so i assume he doesn’t give a shit about the site but does like to argue. and if that’s the case, i’ll be condescending or whatever until Cheat (or WU, maybe) tells me to shut up.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
what percentage of readers that come regularly knows OPS
but not wOBA?
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
probably a lot of them.
even my eyes glaze over when I see a shitload of metrics, and I like studying them in my free-time.
Yes.. if a foul ball comes to the dugout, someone will be able to save Harold Baines. That’s great, but I don’t see how that helps us win games. x3 - Grinder In Training
i think that's my biggest problem more than anything
i really have no idea what readers beyond the commenters think.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
who is this wOBA anyway?
did he get banned with the notorious SSH?
Maybe we(you) should do a “making SSS smarter baseball fans post: SABR 101”
Yes.. if a foul ball comes to the dugout, someone will be able to save Harold Baines. That’s great, but I don’t see how that helps us win games. x3 - Grinder In Training
if the screen shakes, they kinda go "woba woba woba"
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Feb 4, 2010 4:30 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
dont forget to cap 'em.
Yes.. if a foul ball comes to the dugout, someone will be able to save Harold Baines. That’s great, but I don’t see how that helps us win games. x3 - Grinder In Training
Nice one, tsk. Rrreal nice.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Feb 4, 2010 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
Doesn't he pitch for the Wankees?
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
i think we've had this discussion previously.
i recall you thinking people know more than they do. there are plenty of people on here who comment regularly who know what not to say (like cite batting average) but don’t really understand why other than a bunch of people are going to jump on them and call them dumbfucks.
by larry on Feb 4, 2010 4:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
if it's the case that there are commenters here like you say
i’ve been letting folks down and being too much of a dick.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
yeah, you are an asswipe...
jk. just start a weekly ‘ask colin stupid baseball questions’ column. you go to the school where a lot of that stuff was born anyway, right?
Yes.. if a foul ball comes to the dugout, someone will be able to save Harold Baines. That’s great, but I don’t see how that helps us win games. x3 - Grinder In Training
the secret, i don't know...
i guess you’ve just gotta find something you love to do and then…do it for the rest of your life. for colin, it’s going to michigan.
he better hope i don't get his aim, bro.
by Toonderstrook on Feb 4, 2010 4:34 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
you bastard.
one of 7 comments you’ll make all year and you gotta shit on me in one of them.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
it wasn't shitting; it was rushmore-ing.
he better hope i don't get his aim, bro.
by Toonderstrook on Feb 4, 2010 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
That is Ginger-tastic.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
I lost $20 a few years ago because I bet against Rowand as the team avg. leader or thought he was under .300 or some such thing a few seasons ago.
Yes.. if a foul ball comes to the dugout, someone will be able to save Harold Baines. That’s great, but I don’t see how that helps us win games. x3 - Grinder In Training
all kinds of folks read sss because they are sox fans.
why do you have to be such a fucking jerk instead of trying to educate new fans?
i'd like to think i do both.
i’m only a dick in the comments.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
Without the accuracy and panache.
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
you mean without the hairless arms?
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
total bases, homers and rbi's
are my personal favorites :) fuck all your sabermetric bs. the a’s were better before Beane and his nonsense.
Kenwo4life=ratings
you know who had the same batting average as the sox last year? the phillies a/k/a the epitome of suck.
he better hope i don't get his aim, bro.
by Toonderstrook on Feb 4, 2010 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
gosh, that's certainly interesting.
i wonder in what category they may have been ranked first in the NL. it couldn’t have been slugging. home runs not only cause earthquakes in haiti, they also are extremely detrimental to the ability to score runs. as we all know, your offense is only as good as your bullpen. and your bullpen is only as good as your designated hitter. and your designated hitter is only as good as the number of gold gloves the players on your bench have.
by larry on Feb 4, 2010 4:13 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
sig-tastic!
RIP Jim Thome 1-25-2010
an AL team not having a DH is like a giraffe fucking a mule. - larry
That last bit is kind of brilliant.
Rec’d hard.
by The Actual El Guapo on Feb 4, 2010 7:47 PM CST up reply actions
TAEG, is this true?
Now is see why you have all this extra time to post .
I couldn’t figure it out yesterday, but it came to me at 4am. Then I understood the FOGhat, laughed so hard I farted, and went back to bed.
Of course, they had the pitcher batting.
Although that might’ve been an upgrade over White Sox CFs.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
I'd take a Grossman fan
Over an Orton Neck Beard Fan. Hands down. Or the people who booed Grossman during training camp as if Orton was some god’s gift to earth. I never understood Bears fans who loved one average quarterback and hated the other not good quarterback to the point he got booed when he wasn’t even playing. Nothing weirder then the Grossman hate in this town. He got it worse than Michael Vick ever did by his own team’s fans.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 4, 2010 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
That makes no sense..
Plenty of guys are awful. They don’t get that treatment, or anything like it.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 4, 2010 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
Grossman sucked in a Superbowl.
The rest just sucked in sucky seasons.
That is part of it.
Yes.. if a foul ball comes to the dugout, someone will be able to save Harold Baines. That’s great, but I don’t see how that helps us win games. x3 - Grinder In Training
Lovie Smith sucked far worse than Grossman.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 4, 2010 5:54 PM CST up reply actions
It makes lots of sense. Grossman regressed pretty badly each year.
His mechanics got steadily worse. At the end he pretty much was just running backwards and winging it.
this is like saying Kotsay is better than Quentin last year
because he had a better BA.
or we can all ignore the enormous talent decrepiancies and pray for lightning in a bottle
RIP Jim Thome 1-25-2010
an AL team not having a DH is like a giraffe fucking a mule. - larry
I'm loathe to get into this since this isn't SSB.
And Cutler certainly underperformed. But I don’t agree with that and he had a far worse offensive line than Grossman ever did. Backpedaling and throwing pop-flies is not what good QB’s are made of. There’s no comparison between the two.
I'd love to see what Grossman or Orton could have done with last year's O-line and RB.
Taj Gibson is the face of Bulls basketball!
by Trey23 on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 4, 2010 5:55 PM CST up reply actions
The problem is
He’s nice to have off of your bench, but one decent half season does not make him a viable DH when there are other proven options to be had.
The Cubs are not a baseball team. They are a baseball-themed marketing company that hosts frat parties for post grads and tourists.
No the problem is far too often Ive seen people
claim no matter what “____” does they won’t provide value. As Jim pointed out above that’s just wrong.
"You're lucky I'm retired"
Jack Bauer
potential hope?
http://twitter.com/JoeCStrib/statuses/8646363077
"A brief but trenchant analysis of Scott Podsednik
He’s dogshit."
by NYRoyal on Jan 8, 2010 8:56 AM PST
Wasn't Washington involved with him as well?
The Cubs are not a baseball team. They are a baseball-themed marketing company that hosts frat parties for post grads and tourists.
JoeC also thought Thome was going to sign with the Sox.
He also invested heavily in Enron and Haitian real estate.
well i haven't been here in a while and something
goes awry when people talk about me. something must be done soon.
Sxrew that the bears suck, next. GO BLACKHAWKS! Spring training starts in February and Arena Football is coming back too. YAY!!!!!!!!!
by pierzynskirules on Feb 6, 2010 11:24 PM CST reply actions
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