Guillen Quits: Don't Worry, It's Only Oney
By now you're aware that Ozzie Guillen has a Twitter account that he launched as pitchers and catchers reported about a month ago. Around the same time he also launched a Facebook fan page. At the time, I was both excited by the opportunity to get snippets of Guillen truly unfiltered and confused as to why a guy who seems to be technologically aloof had any interest in social networking all of a sudden. I wrote it off as him getting advice from a more technically inclined and trusted adviser, most likely one of his sons (who I initially thought was ghost-writing his posts) or worse, a "social media expert." It turns out it was a bit of both.
Last Thursday (I'm having trouble finding that link) Joe Cowley reported that Guillen had plans on launching a personal website, which was squashed by the front office (presumably Kenny Williams, but possibly also Jerry Reinsdorf) Though the intentions behind the unlaunched website are unclear, it would appear as if Ozzie was trying to build himself a brand, which, you know, doesn't seem like such a bad thing. The Sox allowed Guillen to tweet and Facebook, so the nixing of the website seemed like kind of an arbitrary line in the sand.
I didn't care, because, hey, I still get to read Ozzie going off on Sean Penn occasionally.
It doesn't appear like the arbitrary line in the sand went over as well with Guillen's son's, however, specifically Oney, who works for the Sox in some scouting capacity. Quick Guillen children primer: Ozzie Jr, oldest, local media member/newcomer; Oney, middle son, used to work for Sox; Ozney, youngest son, playing baseball in FLA somewhere. We know Ozzie hadn't seen Ozney in month thanks to recent tweets, but got to see him this week. Anyway, Oney took to his own twitter account -- his second twitter account, BTW, as his first was apparently shuttered thanks to pressure from within the Sox organization -- to vent his frustration with the squashing of the plans to launch the Ozzie branded website with the not-so-cryptic tweet, "I love it how people are monitoring my tweets like I'm someone important. Everyone is entitled to there [sic] own opinion" (since removed, apparently)
Cowley's all over this, updating his story as I'm putting together this post.
This morning Oney was called into a meeting with Williams and told to at least lighten up on the tweeting. And instead of lightening up, he resigned in protest. This all would have no business appearing on this site at all were he not Ozzie Guillen's son. It shouldn't affect the Sox play on the field, but it will clearly affect Ozzie, which could lead to a host of problems including spilling over into the play on the field.
Ozzie tweeted support for his son immediately following the HR derby with the Cubs, "Hey kid we are behind you. No matter what" and walked right past media without so much as a word. He would later apologize to the media via twitter, and close with a Spanish-language tweet (translated), "I hit where it hurts more and I have to be ready to what comes as always and made."
I can understand the Sox reluctance to let Guillen (and sons) run wild on the internet. Every year at this time somebody is putting together a Managers on the Hot Seat article, trying to guess who will be the managers who get the axe in the upcoming season. And every year Guillen comes in near the top. And every year they're wrong.
But who can blame them? Nobody in baseball can match the verbal diarrhea of Ozzie Guillen, and every year he's going to have to apologize to the PC police for something. So eventually he has to pull a Jimmy the Greek, right? And Twitter and Facebook, with their immediacy and lack of filters, would only seem to give him a better opportunity.
Anyway, the only reason this is here on SouthSideSox is because it marks a growing rift between Guillen an Williams. The two clashed over roster construction, though Guillen seemed to get his way with both the addition of Juan Pierre and the lack of a true DH in the name of roster flexibility. They then battled over Guillen's entrance into the Twittersphere, though again Williams seemed to relent to Guillen, allowing him to tweet within reason. Then Williams finally started to put his foot down (and possibly picking the wrong battle) with Guillen's website plans.
I still don't think Guillen is going anywhere anytime soon, but we'll definitely be keeping score in the growing Guillen vs. Williams quarrel.
[Update by The Cheat, 03/20/10 1:11 PM CDT]: Ozzie speaks with media today, takes Kenny's side, deflects idea of rift brewing between he and Williams
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fuck oney guillen.
what a baby.
you are certainly one of the more ridiculous people on this board. ~ larry
nothing will ever replace fuck nick swisher, but i do have a new sig.
(even though this sig quote is before this ridiculous ham and jam.)
"I could give two (bleeps) about it," Buehrle said. "I think this whole Facebook, Twitter, all this stuff is ridiculous, if you ask me."
Smart kid, IMO
If there really is some kinda of “build an ozzie brand” plans they are shooting for, this is the perfect move. Here we are, talking about Ozzie again… And guaranteed that whatever they do next is gonna get a lot more press than it would have gotten.
i don't fuck corned beef.
which is why i don’t eat at subway. by larry on Mar 17
by South Side Expat on Mar 19, 2010 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, sure.
And now he can do what he wants. I will say, in my industry “social media” is all the rage, but only because we can’t do it in any business sense. LinkedIn/FB has to be approved by “compliance”, my Website can’t have client postings because of what they might say (God forbid someone gives a “testimonial” which is illegal), and just forget about Twitter.
The genie is out of the bottle, and you are seeing companies become much more CHINA-like in most industries attempting to put it back in. This is interesting. I bet you will see much more of this “nein unfiltered communication”. I blame the Communistic administration.
(And Cheat, 2 typos. “Passed” and “an”? Fer Chrissakes, are you taking OPOS typing lessons?)
He's a cunning Jew. by Ozzie Montana on Mar 13, 2010 3:30 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 20, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
I blame Al Gore for inventing the internet.
i don't fuck corned beef.
which is why i don’t eat at subway. by larry on Mar 17
by South Side Expat on Mar 20, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
check out the nestle disaster on FB...
complete PR nightmare, caused by an overjealous junior pr staffer who no doubt just got don drapered pete campbell style over there. What a complete fuckup by that guy who decided taunting Nestle’s FB fans with legal action would be the right thing to do. lol, I have a hard time believing that guy didn’t bs himself into a job, anyone under 30 that is tech savvy could have seen the backlash on that coming miles away.
totally agree WU
Same where I work. I think “controlling the message” is obsolete, and smart organizations (including the White Sox) hopefully will realize this and adapt to the counter-messaging strategy that’s more appropriate to an open and free media “where everyone owns a printing press”.
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game in 2008. Thanks John Danks and Jim Thome.
by NorthSidePaulie on Mar 21, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
not that it matters to me,
but i believe the idiom is “all of a sudden” and not “all of the sudden”.
Cashing checks and having sex.
we can all agree that idioms are for idiots and thats why idiot bloggers use them
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wrecked
i don't fuck corned beef.
which is why i don’t eat at subway. by larry on Mar 17
by South Side Expat on Mar 19, 2010 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Dear Season,
Please start.
Love,
TAEG
by The Actual El Guapo on Mar 19, 2010 9:28 PM CDT reply actions
Dear TAEG
Patience- it exists.
Respectfully,
The Season
Just a Rip-off of the Actual El Guapo, but a fake not funny one.
by DrEmilioLizardo on Mar 19, 2010 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Is that a number, or did he just type a message WU style.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 19, 2010 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
It's clearly code.
Let’s see … take each number … square it, divide by Fibonacci’s Number, yes … now take each resultant number and assign a letter, and you get …
“SB Nation Survey + Chance to donate $500 to a charity of this community’s choice.”
DAMN YOU SB NATION … IS THERE NOWHERE YOUR TENTACLES CANNOT REACH?!!!
by The Actual El Guapo on Mar 19, 2010 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
We should win and pick the most unabashedly corrupt charity there is
one that would put Wyclef’s Haiti fund or Hannity’s Protect American Freedom From Socialists By Stupidly Funneling Money to Capitalist Skirting Tax Laws to shame
Does Scientology have a charity?
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by The Cheat on Mar 19, 2010 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
We could let that rapist guy pick it.
by The Actual El Guapo on Mar 19, 2010 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
which priest?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 19, 2010 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The one related to the congressman...
Just a Rip-off of the Actual El Guapo, but a fake not funny one.
by DrEmilioLizardo on Mar 19, 2010 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
for fair and balanced yet appropriate railing against some of the more extreme lesions on the body politic.
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game in 2008. Thanks John Danks and Jim Thome.
by NorthSidePaulie on Mar 21, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Their testicles go pretty far too, with a 5 iron.
Just a Rip-off of the Actual El Guapo, but a fake not funny one.
by DrEmilioLizardo on Mar 19, 2010 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
waiting for the booze to kick in and I get lonely.
i don't fuck corned beef.
which is why i don’t eat at subway. by larry on Mar 17
by South Side Expat on Mar 19, 2010 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
i wonder how many people read his twitter account.
giving out your phone number seems like a questionable decision.
Cashing checks and having sex.
still tweeting
“I would never ever tweet about jerry reinsdorf ever. No of my tweets are directed to him I rather die first literally”
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Bruce levine is wrong again. About what he wrote on espn.com. Get ur fact straigh buddy I like u. All false his comments
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ugh, Twitter, my least favorite tech development EVA.
along with that phrase I just used becoming popular.
I completely agree with the Sox here. Twitter, especially for C and D list celebs, is like giving a small child ether and then a very large microphone. It’s just not a good idea.
Oney clearly, like most children of successful parents that aren’t that talented, has an over-inflated opinion of himself. Well, instead of in the old days, where these kids could go to the club and blow some money on women and booze to make themselves feell good, instead they have twitter, where they can blow some lines and blow up the interwebz. LULZ ONEY TWITTER 4EVER….
I wanted to make a Ron Washington joke about allowing Ozzie to use Twitter, but it was coming out too forced....
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lol, did the "blow some lines..." line bring up... Ron Washington!
whoever had Ron Washington in the “blow lines makes you think of…” pool should go ahead and retire now.
and I'm sure he is dreaming down the minutes until
the health care vote and how change is gonna save health care in central florida.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 19, 2010 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, yes.
He's a cunning Jew. by Ozzie Montana on Mar 13, 2010 3:30 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 20, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
So what the hell is Oney going to do now?
I think he joins AOL Fanhouse just to piss Mariotti off.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 19, 2010 10:40 PM CDT reply actions
He has experience tweeting.
He could do some ghostwriting for the clubhouse column. Work on his ‘HI. I AM JI’ ‘HI. I AM JIM THOME’s
Phil Rogers column on this mess
funny paragraph where Rogers states he “advised Guillen” back in 2005 and 2006. Highly improbable. Only think Rogers ever advised has been the barista at Starbucks on how he likes his tall, skim mocha, light whip with some extra room for cream and cinnamon (sounds like a Tiger sext!)
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 19, 2010 10:49 PM CDT reply actions
I got on the twitter in early '07, when there was "nobody" on there and I just checked my first tweet
9.93M tweets had come before me… Rogers was NOT one of them
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Fuck this Dumb Shit
#assholes
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by billyok on Mar 19, 2010 10:58 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
indeed.
#sand.
"I could give two (bleeps) about it," Buehrle said. "I think this whole Facebook, Twitter, all this stuff is ridiculous, if you ask me."
Ozzie already had a Jimmy the Greek moment, calling Mariotti a fag.
I would really like it if the Guillens would just cool it with the blowing-off-steam stuff, and Kenny and Jerry loosen the fuck up about this meaningless shit.
Of course, I guess those are the elements that make Ozzie Ozzie, Kenny Kenny and Jerry Jerry.
it's what made pop pop pop pop.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Mar 20, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
the mere fact that you call it that
let’s me know you’re not ready
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
by colintj on Mar 20, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ozzie Guillen, unfiltered, is good for the White Sox organization
From a “putting asses in the seats” standpoint. If the Sox go deep in the playoffs this year, it might be the thing that puts the team in the center of the media universe for a couple of years. The national sporting press will be waiting for Ozzie and his merry band of crazy people to reach the finish line.
But – I would like to think anyone who has been in front of the media for 25 years, as a player and as a manager, would know dirty laundry. The front office should know that.
I saw the original Ozzie Jr. Twitter account. Things got nasty after the Sox lost in extra innings in that getaway game in Seattle last year. The tweets went from “the only thing this team knows how to do is drink” to “f—- the fans.” The Sox shut it down shortly thereafter, and it was the right thing to do. Whatever the fans say, you can’t insult the paying customers.
Long story short, Kenny has a right to demand secrecy from his organization (the White Sox are not a public entity), but he should trust his manager to know that he will not air dirty laundry in public. Both have been around long enough to know the thin blue line that exists in the clubhouse.
There’s nothing else going on in Spring Training, so a social media fight is a natural story. How many times can you say “Alex Rios looks good, Andruw Jones is going to surprise people, and Jake Peavy is intense?”
by 67WMAQ on Mar 19, 2010 11:24 PM CDT reply actions 7 recs
Well,
“How many times can you say ‘Alex Rios looks good, Andruw Jones is going to surprise people, and Jake Peavy is intense?’” If accurate, you can never hear it enough.
He's a cunning Jew. by Ozzie Montana on Mar 13, 2010 3:30 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 20, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
if this is a pr stunt my hat is off to the ozzie and the sox, i have a hard time believing it is though
seems just more like a spontaneous eruption from the active volcano that is team Guillen.
One more thing....
How many managers and general managers clash over lineup construction?
Did Sweet Lou have words with Jim Hendry about Milton Bradley? Doug Melvin fired Ned Yost in the middle of a pennant race in 2008.
OG and KW were at odds over Jim Thome’s contributions to the White Sox in 2010. There is a very good possibility that Andruw Jones will match Thome’s projected offensive output.
Besides, if Thome were still around, we’d be talking about how this was another year of the slow, one dimensional offense.
somehow i think this is all a bunch of BS for the reality show.
what a bunch of jackasses though. Fire em all.
Kenwo4life=ratings
and here i thought of all people around this place, you'd appreciate a good heel turn.
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Mar 20, 2010 3:27 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol... i do like that aspect....
but i can’t get into it because he is a guillen. now if all of a sudden harold started snapping… now that would be pretty fucking cool. i like williams as a GM…. however I think he is a pretty big dickhead.
Kenwo4life=ratings
harold turns into the hardest mother fucker on the planet.
just running his mouth all over the place.
that would be awesome!
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Mar 20, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree on the reality show point,
there is no roster drama this spring training, so they had to make up some internal organization drama.
2010 WhiteSox Baseball: "even if it works it's still stupid"
This is either drama made up for the TV show
or this is Ken Williams’ way of getting rid of Ozzie Guillen. If memory serves me correct, Cito Gaston was KW’s choice for manager but Reinsdorf wanted Ozzie. Given that Ozzie won a WS I have to think he gets the near permanent pass from JR. Maybe KW is trying to get Ozzie to resign? I don’t know but either way this seems fishy and I hope that this won’t become a distraction to the team.
I think the comparisons that the local media are making in regards to a KW and OG rift
is blown a little out of context. Sure, KW and Ozzie had a different view on the DH this season and sure KW didn’t like all the twitter and facebook stuff – but this doesn’t mean there is a growing rift between the two. If Oney would have kept his tweeting to a personal level and not involving the Sox (basically like Ozzie does) then things would have been fine between him and the organization. Instead he was tweeting about the organization and he didn’t just talk in general terms. If I did this with my firm, I am sure I would have been repremanded as well. To act like KW and the Sox were taking away his freedom because of his tweets is ludacris. I am sure they just told him to tone it down and Oney became all silver spooned and threw a temper tantrum and quit.
In regards to KW and Ozzie not getting along like the best of friends and disagreeing on certain business items (or a so called rift)…big deal. My boss doesn’t approve of all of the business decisions I think are best in my business, but I make a sales pitch and explain why it is better for the firm, even though there is a risk. I bitch about a lot of the decisions he makes, but that doesn’t mean we have a rift.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 20, 2010 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions
"...but that doesn’t mean we have a rift."
AS FAR AS YOU KNOW!
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Mar 20, 2010 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
JR needs to step up and cool this thing down
guillen makes the sox a national story. without him they are the brewers.
kenny is a hot head who has a tendency to take things too far
i still wish big frank jacked him in the face for the comments that the unprofessional williams made about him when he left for oakland.
Kenwo4life=ratings
i'm a big frank supporter
but he was a pissy bitch with williams and management. it would have been much more productive for frank to deck konerko on his way out the clubhouse.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Mar 20, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
lol
RIP Jim Thome 1-25-2010
an AL team not having a DH is like a giraffe fucking a mule. - larry
by blackoutsox on Mar 20, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
i may still be drunk
but I read that headline in the way I think ozzie would say it, and though it would go, “don worry, it oney oney.”
bird law in this country is not ruled by reason
by soxshenanigans on Mar 20, 2010 10:08 AM CDT reply actions
oney is the dickhead son
of that lot, but kdub also played his hand to the media. it would have been better served for kdub to be quiet over his displeasuret; he would have had the upper hand if ozzie eventually made a twitter ‘mistake’.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Mar 20, 2010 10:37 AM CDT reply actions
maybe kenny didn't like this sequence from the sox vs. cubs in vegas lol
Game over
3:48 PM Mar 13th via txt
Game on the line jr up to plate
3:48 PM Mar 13th via txt
Kenwo4life=ratings
maybe this...
My fav restaurant in chicago is Chi tung Latte. My least fav Market hands down worst food in the city
Kenwo4life=ratings
really? are these comments from oney?
what a douchebag. sounds like an insolent little kid. he can piss off if that’s the kind of person he is.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Mar 20, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
why this whole thing is a tempest in a teapot.
Nope," Guillen said. “A lot of people tweet bad about this club. A lot. You cannot tweet or talk bad about this team while you’re getting paid by this organization. And he was getting paid by the White Sox.”
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/03/guillen-told-son-to-resign-ready-to-move-on.html
what exactlty was Oney getting paid for?
troop moral?
2010 WhiteSox Baseball: "even if it works it's still stupid"
i don't like ozzie but this is sure true
" It’s not about feelings. It’s about winning."
Kenwo4life=ratings
I read the update article and its good to see ozzie is staying focused on the team
on a side note, how do you leave a sbn blog (not this one). Im trying to clean up my account.
RIP Jim Thome 1-25-2010
an AL team not having a DH is like a giraffe fucking a mule. - larry
fiddlesticks
RIP Jim Thome 1-25-2010
an AL team not having a DH is like a giraffe fucking a mule. - larry
Step 9:
Make direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
He skipped step 9!!
2010 WhiteSox Baseball: "even if it works it's still stupid"
by OznCoop on Mar 20, 2010 4:36 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
He skipped step 9!!
2010 WhiteSox Baseball: "even if it works it's still stupid"
by OznCoop on Mar 20, 2010 4:36 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Catch this little nugget
from Cowley’s piece today?
Williams spoke to reporters on Saturday, but made the decision not to speak to the Sun-Times.
Haha! In other words, KW says “FJC!”
"Qualls took over, and then Konerko took over." - Joe Buck
not a christian, i take it.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Mar 20, 2010 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
This is excellent.
Especially the day after St. Joseph’s Day.
He's a cunning Jew. by Ozzie Montana on Mar 13, 2010 3:30 PM EST
SOX SHOULD SEND OZZIE PACKING ALONG WITH HIS SON . TWO EMBARRASSMENTS TO THE WHITE SOX AND BASEBALL. IT’S ALL ABOUT OZZIE. IF HE MANAGED IN ANY OTHER DIVISION HE WOULDN’T EVEN SNIFF 500. 4 GAMES UNDER 500 IN THE WORST DIVISION IN BASEBALL AND THE MEDIA STILL KISSES HIS BIG MOUTH ASS. FIRE HIM AND WHOEVER WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR GIVING HIM A 5 YEAR CONTRACT.

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