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An MRI on Bobby Jenks' right calf revealed inflammation but no structural damage, and the Chicago White Sox closer will try to pitch through the injury.

"That's the odd part of the injury," Jenks said on Sunday. "They say it can't get any worse. It's like you have a sore arm and you're working through it."

Jenks said he is OK when he is throwing the ball, but he feels some discomfort when he tries to pivot after delivering a pitch in order to field a ground ball or cover first base.

"I irritated it the day I was supposed to throw," Jenks said. "As for the results of the MRI, it turns out it's a good report. There is some irritation in there but it's not structural damage."

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let me be the first to speculate wildly

lose some damn weight, do some damn conditioning in the offseason and maybe you don’t strain a calf in spring training. just my worthless opinion, but come on Bobby.

by madvillian on Mar 20, 2010 8:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Easy to strain muscles.

But Jenks doesn’t have any, so I am mystefied.

He's a cunning Jew. by Ozzie Montana on Mar 13, 2010 3:30 PM EST

by winningugly on Mar 20, 2010 9:34 PM CDT reply actions  

yeah... 95+ mph comes from linguini fibers in his arm

Just a Rip-off of the Actual El Guapo, but a fake not funny one.

by DrEmilioLizardo on Mar 20, 2010 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

2010 WhiteSox Baseball: "even if it works it's still stupid"

by OznCoop on Mar 21, 2010 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Official Nathan done

tommyjohn

"Have fun with those stats buddy"

"I still don’t see where what I said in my comments isn’t true. But hey a man gotta have his stats."

by Dils

by Tdogg on Mar 21, 2010 9:53 AM CDT reply actions  

Hell his career could possibly be done

He is 35 now and often it takes 2 years to recover TJ surgery

by 815Sox on Mar 21, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

sucks for him

2010 WhiteSox Baseball: "even if it works it's still stupid"

by OznCoop on Mar 21, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kerry Wood is out for 2 months, too.

The Central closer role is the least desirable role in baseball. Except WS DH.

He's a cunning Jew. by Ozzie Montana on Mar 13, 2010 3:30 PM EST

by winningugly on Mar 21, 2010 10:57 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

how is WS DH an undesirable role?

you don’t even have to be competent at the job to get it. doesn’t get much more desirable than that. (as far as jobs go…)

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Mar 22, 2010 3:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

MRI results: no structural damage

Link (ESPN). So that’s good news.

Todd Kalas wants to murder that furry green shit
by Albertrayon on Jul 23, 2009 1:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

by Cruiser on Mar 21, 2010 12:32 PM CDT reply actions  

hey 1st of all I watch bowling sometimes (im good at it)

2nd of all regardless, Kingpin is one of the funniest sports movies ever made.

"Have fun with those stats buddy"

"I still don’t see where what I said in my comments isn’t true. But hey a man gotta have his stats."

by Dils

by Tdogg on Mar 21, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

I passed. Im a full engineer. Orgy!

"Have fun with those stats buddy"

"I still don’t see where what I said in my comments isn’t true. But hey a man gotta have his stats."

by Dils

by Tdogg on Mar 21, 2010 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Where are all the white women at?

“Somebody is sucking my dick tonight!!!”

He's a cunning Jew. by Ozzie Montana on Mar 13, 2010 3:30 PM EST

by winningugly on Mar 21, 2010 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

the two groups need not overlap....

Just a Rip-off of the Actual El Guapo, but a fake not funny one.

by DrEmilioLizardo on Mar 21, 2010 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Much to their relief.

"Qualls took over, and then Konerko took over." - Joe Buck

by RWShow on Mar 21, 2010 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

HOLY STACHE!!

2010 WhiteSox Baseball: "even if it works it's still stupid"

by OznCoop on Mar 21, 2010 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

ha.

Good star loved exited very exited

by thecip on Mar 21, 2010 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hometown discount.

I think one of the asshole teams out east would’ve gone $5n a year higher than this.

"Qualls took over, and then Konerko took over." - Joe Buck

by RWShow on Mar 21, 2010 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Minny spending some jack.

Good deal for both sides.

He's a cunning Jew. by Ozzie Montana on Mar 13, 2010 3:30 PM EST

by winningugly on Mar 21, 2010 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

he won't live up to it

but the Twins definitely had to sign him. He belongs there.

"Have fun with those stats buddy"

"I still don’t see where what I said in my comments isn’t true. But hey a man gotta have his stats."

by Dils

by Tdogg on Mar 21, 2010 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

what up

when is the next meet up update?

"Have fun with those stats buddy"

"I still don’t see where what I said in my comments isn’t true. But hey a man gotta have his stats."

by Dils

by Tdogg on Mar 21, 2010 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

(I was saying hello since you're certified now) ;p

Haven’t been around much and can’t post much at work these days, training for a new job and such. But I’m aiming for Tuesday afternoon.

by homesickalien on Mar 21, 2010 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol!

I’m not having yo old man after me at the meet-up!

"Have fun with those stats buddy"

"I still don’t see where what I said in my comments isn’t true. But hey a man gotta have his stats."

by Dils

by Tdogg on Mar 21, 2010 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

If he stays healthy, he will.

Jeter lived up to his contract. Why shouldn’t Chairman Mauer?

He's a cunning Jew. by Ozzie Montana on Mar 13, 2010 3:30 PM EST

by winningugly on Mar 21, 2010 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well he probably won't stay healthy

and he probably won’t be catching for the next 8 years.

"Have fun with those stats buddy"

"I still don’t see where what I said in my comments isn’t true. But hey a man gotta have his stats."

by Dils

by Tdogg on Mar 21, 2010 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

what has he done to lead to to believe he wont stay healthy?

no basis.

2010 WhiteSox Baseball: "even if it works it's still stupid"

by OznCoop on Mar 21, 2010 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

huh?

"Have fun with those stats buddy"

"I still don’t see where what I said in my comments isn’t true. But hey a man gotta have his stats."

by Dils

by Tdogg on Mar 21, 2010 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yellow light C

Joe Mauer: Mauer missed a month last season, but his final line sure doesn’t look like it. Still, back and leg injuries are all that stands between him and Cooperstown. Playing catcher makes it tougher and tougher to think his career will be both long and productive. Yes, I know I said that in the summary, but we should say this over and over until someone in Minnesota gets the message.

Don’t like that? Try 2007.

"Have fun with those stats buddy"

"I still don’t see where what I said in my comments isn’t true. But hey a man gotta have his stats."

by Dils

by Tdogg on Mar 21, 2010 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

my bad.

2010 WhiteSox Baseball: "even if it works it's still stupid"

by OznCoop on Mar 21, 2010 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

What research have you done to refute that claim?

None, apparently. Otherwise, you might’ve seen the bit about his knees.

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Mar 21, 2010 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you serious?
Mauer has already battled with injuries in his six-year major league career, missing nearly all of the 2004 season (his first in the big leagues) after suffering a meniscus tear in his left knee in April. He came off the disabled list in June, but went back on in early July and stayed there for the rest of the season with a “sore left knee.” In 2007, Mauer missed five weeks with a strained left quadriceps, and last season he missed the first month of the season with a lower back injury that kept him from all of spring training.

Add all of that to the normal wear and tear that comes with catching, and it’s safe to say that when Mauer’s contract expires after the 2018 season, the then-35-year-old will no longer be crouching behind the plate.

by Grinder in Training on Mar 21, 2010 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

If he continues to play the C position he won't

Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game in 2008. Thanks John Danks and Jim Thome.

by NorthSidePaulie on Mar 21, 2010 9:07 PM CDT reply actions  

bull jive

2010 WhiteSox Baseball: "even if it works it's still stupid"

by OznCoop on Mar 21, 2010 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Reply fail

Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game in 2008. Thanks John Danks and Jim Thome.

by NorthSidePaulie on Mar 21, 2010 9:07 PM CDT reply actions  

I'd start Jenks on the DL..

Give Santos and deAza roster spots. I don’t think Fat Bobby comes around this year.

by dantesox on Mar 22, 2010 8:18 AM CDT reply actions  

ye' of little faith

2010 WhiteSox Baseball: "even if it works it's still stupid"

by OznCoop on Mar 22, 2010 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

While I'm at it....

another suppposed bullpen stalwart, Putz, isn’t looking so hot either. He’s not the kinda guy who can be effective at 89,90. Let’s hope it’s just because it’s “early” and he isn’t “cutting it loose” yet.

by dantesox on Mar 22, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah lets put our bullpen on the DL

to keep more shitty bench players

RIP Jim Thome 1-25-2010

an AL team not having a DH is like a giraffe fucking a mule. - larry

by blackoutsox on Mar 22, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe it's a mental "adjustment" thing, dante.

I know you are always turning over the psychic rocks.

He's a cunning Jew. by Ozzie Montana on Mar 13, 2010 3:30 PM EST

by winningugly on Mar 22, 2010 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

JR? Or KennyGM?

"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos

by Chiburb on Mar 22, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Or perhaps Serena?

"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos

by Chiburb on Mar 22, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Venus?

"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos

by Chiburb on Mar 22, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Roy?

"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos

by Chiburb on Mar 22, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

RAAAAAAAAAAANDY!

"Qualls took over, and then Konerko took over." - Joe Buck

by RWShow on Mar 22, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ah. Now I get it.

"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos

by Chiburb on Mar 22, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

so who else hasn't watched one second of the NCAAs?

i watched Chinatown for the first time last night. pretty good flick.

by Hatchetm on Mar 22, 2010 9:13 AM CDT reply actions  

Forget it, Jake. This is South Side Sox.

"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos

by Chiburb on Mar 22, 2010 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Way to be 38 years behind, hatchet.

These games, they are pretty good.

He's a cunning Jew. by Ozzie Montana on Mar 13, 2010 3:30 PM EST

by winningugly on Mar 22, 2010 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

You may have the same job as me then.

I really need the baseball season to start so more people post here during the day.. makes work go by a lot quicker.

by Grinder in Training on Mar 22, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

They're called fertility clinics.

"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos

by Chiburb on Mar 22, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

People teeing off on things that don't actually exist? The hell you say!

I love the “I’m being forced to pay for other people’s medical coverage” line.

Do you pay into an insurance plan? Guess what, you’re paying for other people’s medical/automotive/dental/vision coverage.

by 67WMAQ on Mar 22, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

well, nuance is always lost.

of course, they could theoretically argue that paying into an insurance plan is a choice they make and that HRC forces (some) people to pay, or at least pay more. but there’s nuance to that, as well, and i’m sure you know the retort. they should just say they don’t want to pay more for other peoples’ medical coverage and leave it at that. that misses the point a bit, too, but at least it’s a more easily defended position.

by larry on Mar 22, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

What does Hillary have to do with this?

"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos

by Chiburb on Mar 22, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

She's tired of the high cost of her mustache electrolysis.

"Qualls took over, and then Konerko took over." - Joe Buck

by RWShow on Mar 22, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah - mandated coverage is a bitter pill to swallow, for people on both sides.

But the White House argument is that you will be able to afford it, whether it be through subsidies or tax credits.

Some people in their 20’s opt out of health insurance, for a bunch of reasons. They’d rather have the extra take home pay and deal with any medical issues as they come.

I pay into my medical insurance policy every two weeks, and I go to the doctor once a year.

But it’s nice to have that coverage if something bad were to happen.

by 67WMAQ on Mar 22, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Same.

As an adult, I’ve paid roughly 35 grand for coverage over the span of my career, and used about 3 grand, getting my wisdom teeth yanked.

Presumably that will even out as I gradually become an old fuck, and continue to eat unhealthily and drink heavily. But so far, it’s been a ripoff.

"Qualls took over, and then Konerko took over." - Joe Buck

by RWShow on Mar 22, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

The ginger locks fooled me.

"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos

by Chiburb on Mar 22, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

recd

His name is Rios and he dances on the sand

by Nordhagen on Mar 22, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe cowley's wife got a boob job

but that would have been for orlando cabrera’s benefit

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Mar 22, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cowley's lucky the Sun Times is as strong as ever.

A freelance sportswriter might suddenly have to pay for his own insurance, or find a new non-writting job.

by Mitch. on Mar 22, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

The reforms are relatively mild, but do nothing to address the underlying causes of the high US cost of healthcare.

As long as providers (both doctors and hospitals) are incentivized to to provide care on a per-use basis where they can profit directly from the quantity of care they give, and not the quality, then we are all well and truly F*’d.

No doctor should have an ownership interest in any facility (surgery center, MRI center, etc) where they refer patients to- it is a complete conflict of interest.

But reforms like that are so vast to comprehend or undertake, it is near impossible that they will occur.

Stepping off soapbox now, you ungodly heathens….

Just a Rip-off of the Actual El Guapo, but a fake not funny one.

by DrEmilioLizardo on Mar 22, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

that

Just a Rip-off of the Actual El Guapo, but a fake not funny one.

by DrEmilioLizardo on Mar 22, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

the other

"Qualls took over, and then Konerko took over." - Joe Buck

by RWShow on Mar 22, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

it will be very easy now that we are finally a socialist nation

Of course, the gubment will be busy killing all our grandparents for at least a few weeks, so just have a little bit of patience.

His name is Rios and he dances on the sand

by Nordhagen on Mar 22, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

and this:

http://www.pnhp.org/

"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos

by Chiburb on Mar 22, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Free samples too?

"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos

by Chiburb on Mar 22, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's the plan.

Refuse the free lunches, vacations, golf clubs, all the riff-raff reps throw at physicians.

by Ozzie Montana on Mar 22, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I heard they were going to put something in that would allow the secretary of HHS make significant changes to Medicare without Congressional approval

This being the most politcally feasible way of getting fee-for-service changed. I don’t know if it made it inot the final version.

I’d also like to see insurance disconnected from one’s employer. It would increase the time an individual stays with an insurer on average therefore incentivizing a focus on longer term preventative care. Switching Medicare to a voucher system would also help this and so would single payer

by joewho112 on Mar 22, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

IM dissapointed it doesnt do anything about pharmacies or hospital costs as well

this bill just sidestepped all the hard decisions and held them off for ten more years

RIP Jim Thome 1-25-2010

an AL team not having a DH is like a giraffe fucking a mule. - larry

by blackoutsox on Mar 22, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah, it'll definitely be affordable.

Look at it’s closest comp in Massachusetts — nice low premiums there, right?

The ‘funny’ thing is that in ten years when our system is still a mess, the reasoning will be because government didn’t do enough.

by CWSKeith on Mar 22, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

seems rather specious to be comparing a state plan to a national plan.

particularly when that state is a small northeastern state with one of the highest costs of living in the nation. the better observation is that no one really knows what the heck the effect is going to be because – wait for it – it hasn’t been tried before in reality.

by larry on Mar 22, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

no, i know

it sez right here in the bible:
gov’t = bad
my money = good.

by Hatchetm on Mar 22, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

"No one really knows what the heck the effect is going to be"

government’s past performance hasn’t been very good, so forgive my cynicism.

by CWSKeith on Mar 22, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep. Especially that Medicare thing.

"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos

by Chiburb on Mar 22, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Since I'm pretty certain this isn't sarcasm (if it is, well... I owe you multiple drinks and other goodies)...

this is (unintentionally) the most hilarious thing you’ve posted here. You do realize that Medicare has trillions of dollars in unfunded liabilities and is in no way sustainable, right? We’re broke. We can’t pay for more shit. The same goes for SS.

“Free everything for everyone! No cost for anyone!” Woo-hoo!

by CWSKeith on Mar 22, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

all we gotta do is tax internet porn

we’d have an immediate gov’t surplus.

by Hatchetm on Mar 22, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

"we're broke. we can't pay for more shit."

this may also be unintentionally hilarious. we, or more specifically the federal government, is not broke. nor can we, which likely means either or both of the taxpayers and the federal government, not pay for more shit.

by larry on Mar 22, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes. You are correct -- the government is not broke.

the government can continue to tax, or it can continue to borrow or it can (continue to?) print money, all of which have verying degrees of bad effects. I did hyperbolize a bit there, so you calling me on it is fair game.

Can you address my main point, though, of the trillions of dollars in unfunded liabilities?

by CWSKeith on Mar 22, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

the federal government will have to raise taxes.

everyone with half a brain understands this. this is a point that should be non-controversial because the logic is unassailable; but, of course, we have people who enjoy being elected and a great way to be elected is to put off problems instead of addressing them.

by larry on Mar 22, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

What larry said, AND perhaps a reordering of priorities

as a country? If current funding is 3 cents of every tax dollar, and a boost to 7cents was required to keep Granny from begging door-to-door for a pacemaker, WE would opt for that increase and tell the government to cut defense from 20 to 16 cents.

Though I still like taxing the rich at a higher rate.

"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos

by Chiburb on Mar 22, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

haha, the rich paying taxes

they don’t do that. there are sufficient tax loop holes to prevent any rich individual to avoid paying the taxman.

exhibit a: the McCourts having something like 20 MM in tax rebates from the parking lots they sold to purchase the dodgers.

by coffeepac on Mar 22, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ahh, yes. Tax the rich more.

“Reordering priorities as a country.” This is funny stuff.

by CWSKeith on Mar 22, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Funny because Fox news tells you so?

Why can’t there be discussion about priorities in government spending?

"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos

by Chiburb on Mar 22, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

while i don't think it's funny,

because we can – and should – do something about current spending, this is the red herring that is used all the time. spending isn’t really the problem. or, more specifically, “discretionary spending”, of which defense basically is. cutting defense by 20% doesn’t really help out all that much with the unfunded liabilities and interest on the debt.

by larry on Mar 22, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

how bout we just balance the budget?

cutting defense spending by a third would balance the budget.

by Hatchetm on Mar 22, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think they are finally making some progress,

to pull it all back now would be crazy.

We will probably have our heavy footprint in the middle east for the rest of all our lives.

Iraq is getting to the point where they can tidy up a bit a start to file out, Afghanistan should continue to be the main focus(since we are apparently afraid of the Saudis) and keep on keeping on there.

by e-gus on Mar 22, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

explain

budget is roughly 14 trillion. deficit is roughly 1 trillion. defense is about 3.

by Hatchetm on Mar 22, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah my numbers are rong

budget is only about 4 tril, not 14.

we are fuxed.

by Hatchetm on Mar 22, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

50% of all military expenditure

a year is spent by the United States. If you add up states ranked 2-11 you still do not equal total amount spent by the us.

bird law in this country is not ruled by reason

by soxshenanigans on Mar 22, 2010 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah guys, great strawmen there

as I’ve clearly shown myself to be a war mongerer, correct?

No. The wars are stupid, and I think it’s pretty ridiculous that the left* hasn’t been harder on Obama re: Iraq and Afghanistan (or maybe they have and I haven’t been paying attention? I can’t say I either watch too much MSNBC or am a frequent visitor to Daily Kos) .

What again does this have to do with me, though? My priority is for more people to be left with their own money to make their own decisions. This means cutting out a lot of stuff I’m sure you guys would agree with — axing the war on drugs, bringing a bunch of troops back, stopping the bailouts to failing companies.

Also, guys, don’t try and funnel all of the Iraq issues onto the right — 82 House and 29 Senate Dems voted for the war. The left should by no means be immune to criticism, both in how the war began and in how it’s been carried out.

by CWSKeith on Mar 22, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

just as a FYI,

people were complaining about defense spending long before iraq and afghanistan. i’m thinking chiburb wasn’t necessarily making the connection you are.

by larry on Mar 22, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

there was that guy...forget his name

I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.

by colintj on Mar 22, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why?

Because having by far the lowest marginal tax rates in the industrialized world while inequality has been growing for three decades is such a good situation?

White Sox fan; Jeppson's Malort man

by KarkoviceIsHawt on Mar 22, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

unfortunately. how tolerant people are to things that don't affect them...

i’d just like to hear that people have some concept of wealth. somebody making $40K/year seems to think that the guy making $200K is rich. let’s have a discussion where we classify rich as guys making 8 figures a year and not just 6, for instance.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Mar 22, 2010 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd say the top 20% of richest people in the country.

The real high rollers should see the biggest hit of their income, because really if you fall into that category, you’re still a rich ass by standing pat.

by e-gus on Mar 22, 2010 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, $250K is "rich".

My goodness. You should see the mansions.

He's a cunning Jew. by Ozzie Montana on Mar 13, 2010 3:30 PM EST

by winningugly on Mar 22, 2010 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

that income is the top, what, 1.5%?

rich is a term with no real meaning, at least for the purposes we’re discussing here. if you want to tax income and want to tax higher incomes more, $250K doesn’t seem to like a bad place to do it.

by larry on Mar 22, 2010 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

If it helps solve the problem.

It doesn’t. You make my case – 1.5% of the population can’t fund the gaping deficit hole. And I know lots of folks who make a lot less than $250K who are a hell of a lot richer than I will ever be.

Taxes will be going up for most folks. They have to.

He's a cunning Jew. by Ozzie Montana on Mar 13, 2010 3:30 PM EST

by winningugly on Mar 22, 2010 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

don't have it handy, but the marginal increase in tax revenue

is a drop in the bucket. and when you compare it to the real income change in affected families it’s awful that people want to screw these people.

as i’m sure you know, the difference between households making $50k, $100k and $250k is often just working harder. maybe getting better grades. putting in extra hours. being a productive member of society.

they’re not doing enough! let’s make them pay!

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Mar 22, 2010 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

i suppose.

but i find it hard to weep for us that we have to pay a few percentage points more on income that exceeds a certain amount.

by larry on Mar 22, 2010 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

and i feel the same way for myself.

but there are families out there bending over backwards to support their 3+ kids. and just because they make good money doesn’t mean that things are easy.
i’m sympathetic to that situation. i feel like this is more punishment to these families than it is reward to anyone else.
it’s not the end of the world, but it bugs me that people who are unaffected get to decide the fates of those who are.

flat tax!

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Mar 22, 2010 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

similar to a flat tax

an income tax is a somewhat blunt instrument. my wife and i pay at the same rate as a wife and husband with 5 kids (obviously there are some credits involved which reduce income). simply saying that there are families who will struggle because they’ll have to pay a couple thousand more on their $350K income doesn’t strike me as a great argument. a flat tax is going to hurt some families, too. raising more revenue via taxes is going to hurt someone.

by larry on Mar 22, 2010 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

the elected officials responsible

do have to get re-elected, right?

I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.

by colintj on Mar 23, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

and to offer a suggestion and not just criticize the current one:

put that number at $1MM. it’s still probably not a real fair number, but it’s a lot closer to reasonable and it will have a negligible effect on taxes collected.

but we’ll always be miles away as long as that .001% can play the game and not pay their current tax rates.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Mar 22, 2010 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

this reminds me of one of those amusing self-idenitfication studies/surveys.

people are asked to identify what class they are in. just about everyone calls themselves middle class.

we did this in one of those hippie sociology classes i took in college. had people identify their class and then their families household income. range of “middle class” was from about $35K to $350K. does not compute.

oddly, no one wants to be called – or to call themselves – rich or upper class.

by larry on Mar 22, 2010 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Same as when people are asked to rate their driving ability.

“Above-average’” We’re all superstars.

He's a cunning Jew. by Ozzie Montana on Mar 13, 2010 3:30 PM EST

by winningugly on Mar 22, 2010 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Minnesota gets us in the end.

I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.

by colintj on Mar 22, 2010 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

You.

Always with the “ass” focus.

He's a cunning Jew. by Ozzie Montana on Mar 13, 2010 3:30 PM EST

by winningugly on Mar 22, 2010 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

they already do see the biggest hit.

and households making $90k have most of the same problems as households making half that.
maybe they got the leather interior on their car.
might fly on next vacation instead of a road trip.
they go out to eat on family members’ birthdays.
it’s not much different.
and i’d love to hear how they’re still a rich ass by standing pat.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Mar 22, 2010 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tax Bracket Single Married Filing Jointly
10% Bracket $0 – $8,375 $0 – $16,750
15% Bracket $8,375 – $34,000 $16,750 – $68,000
25% Bracket $34,000 – $82,400 $68,000 – $137,300
28% Bracket $82,400 – $171,850 $137,300 – $209,250
33% Bracket $171,850 – $373,650 $209,250 – $373,650
35% Bracket $373,650+ $373,650+

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Mar 22, 2010 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

here's a little cleaner version. and i used a place to respond to your estimates with a little more space.

Tax Bracket Single Married Filing Jointly
10% Bracket $0 – $8,375 $0 – $16,750
15% Bracket $8,375 – $34,000 $16,750 – $68,000
25% Bracket $34,000 – $82,400 $68,000 – $137,300
28% Bracket $82,400 – $171,850 $137,300 – $209,250
33% Bracket $171,850 – $373,650 $209,250 – $373,650
35% Bracket $373,650+ $373,650+

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Mar 22, 2010 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

damn it!

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Mar 22, 2010 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's a pretty reasonable argument that can be made

that says that, in the long term, the current reform will be relatively budget neutral.

Your point is decent and, as larry said, taxes will have to go up no matter what. But you know what would have helped pay for a trillion of those dollars? The failed trillion-dollar tax cuts from a decade ago.

White Sox fan; Jeppson's Malort man

by KarkoviceIsHawt on Mar 22, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

The bill may or may not be budget neutral

the CBO was given a set of assumptions that may or may not be realistic. Furthermore, if the doc fix is passed, the bill as a whole is not budget neutral.

But again, this seems to be besides the point. A bill being budget neutral isn’t the same thing as less spending (or not spending at all). I have huge issues about either, but the latter is particularly worrisome.

by CWSKeith on Mar 22, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

if it was so worrisome from an econ perspective

you’d have more mainstream economists really shilling one way or the other. everyone knows it’s not a great deal, but there are bullets to be bitten when you choose against inefficiency. efficiency in and of itself is amoral and the availability now and in the immediate future of affordable health care is very probably a moral issue. our past model wasn’t so bad as long as basically everyone was employed, but that’s clearly not the case now nor will it be for the next couple. either way, we’re not talking about actually squandered political or economic freedom nor any kind of serious millstone. so i don’t see how you can be very against it. suspicious, perhaps. but anything past that is likely the product of a sort of blanket negativity that economists typically warn against.

I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.

by colintj on Mar 22, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Huh?

you’d have more mainstream economists really shilling one way or the other.

am I reading this wrong? No, I don’t place any particular trust in “mainstream economists”. Have you read the stuff that Paul Krugman has recently been putting out?

I’m against the bill on grounds of principle. I’m against it on grounds of it being fiscally irresponsible. And perhaps this is just a mixture of the two, but I’m against it because I don’t think the bill is what’s best (or even much of an improvement) of what we have now*.

*Lest this be construed as me saying I like the status quo, no, not at all. I just see reform as less government, not more.

by CWSKeith on Mar 22, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've really gotta preview more

the last part of that final sentence in the second paragraph should read, “but I’m against it because I don’t think the bill is what’s best for the country (or even much of an improvement over what we have now).”

by CWSKeith on Mar 22, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I also should have mentioned

I don’t think this is necessarily an accurate summation of my views. Whether it is is dependent upon what you mean by “health care”. If “health care” equals “health insurance”, then you are correct — I don’t view health insurance as a right. One of WU’s posts below gets at my point.

I’d also like to know where the slippery slope ends for “basic health care”. Does basic health care entail a membership to the local gym? Does it mean subsidizing people’s purchases of fruits and vegetables?

by CWSKeith on Mar 24, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

health insurance is the mechanism by which health care has been chosen to be delivered.

i view your distinction as irrelevant. call it whatever you want. you’ll always need a health (insurance) card. even in canada.

by larry on Mar 24, 2010 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

In my opinion its because you can't see the forest thru the trees

Look a substantial part of what you say may be correct. But you know what? I don’t give a shit. I’m sick and tired of folks shooting down ideas without something of substance to offer in return (speaking in general not at you keith). You don’t like the bill, well neither do I. Of course I don’t think it nearly went far enough. I suspect the next bill will really have a bit more dialogue and honest give and take. But for now this shit needed to happen. Its fucking disgraceful that health care in this country is a matter of wealth. That fucking kids who have no decision or where they are born aren’t always given a fair/ hell semi decent shake. Okay I’m off my soap box now.

"Have fun with those stats buddy"

"I still don’t see where what I said in my comments isn’t true. But hey a man gotta have his stats."

by Dils

by Tdogg on Mar 22, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

now, now, tdogg.

he did offer a solution. less government. if we had less government, there would obviously be more health care for all those people who can’t afford it. get the government out of the way and magically health care appears for those babies in the ghetto.

by larry on Mar 22, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

You didn't ask about my ideas.

I tend to think you’re just humoring me, but if you actually care I’ll take some time and type out my ideas.

by CWSKeith on Mar 22, 2010 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

no.

why do i want to read a bunch of links. boring. if you can’t boil it down to a post, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

by larry on Mar 22, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fair enough.

I’ll have something up after class tonight if you’re still interested.

by CWSKeith on Mar 22, 2010 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would also like to read your take

I know generally we are supposed to keep religion and politics out of SSS, but since this is one of the few place on the internet where I trust the majority of commentary to be made rationally, I find these debates to incredibly interesting.

by CatBrains on Mar 22, 2010 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cheat, Larry and the other editors seem to have a good handle on things

if things were getting out of hand they’d nix it. We’ve had only a few political discussions here and I can’t recall any of them crossing the line. Even what we’ve had here hasn’t been particularly heated.

by CWSKeith on Mar 22, 2010 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

"larry"

is that good WU?

RIP Jim Thome 1-25-2010

an AL team not having a DH is like a giraffe fucking a mule. - larry

by blackoutsox on Mar 22, 2010 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Accurate.

He's a cunning Jew. by Ozzie Montana on Mar 13, 2010 3:30 PM EST

by winningugly on Mar 23, 2010 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Im with brains

this is good stuff. Not out of line just yet at all.

by e-gus on Mar 22, 2010 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

So you asked about ideas

here’s my far-from-comprehensive list:

Let’s start with health insurance. I have a couple of issues here. First, I’ve never understood why health coverage is so heavily linked to your job. I can understand it if you (the company) can afford to do it, but forcing companies to do so? That doesn’t make much sense to me. Not only are you making it more difficult for small businesses (on the job creation side), but it also becomes an issue if you get fired or want to leave your job.

As far as ways to fix it… As I understand it, there are certain tax incentives and/or preferences towards having insurance through your employer. Why shouldn’t a self-employed or unemployed person paying for health insurance get those same benefits? So that requires tweaking the tax code.

Kind of along the same lines is encouraging the use of HSAs. I can’t admit to being completely familiar with these, but the idea gets at what I’m talking about above – allowing people to keep more of their own money (tax-free) to spend it on health care costs.

The third issue is the regulations that prevent people from purchasing health insurance across state lines. Any way of encouraging competition in the health insurance market is a good thing.

My final point is more general – it strikes me that this has been and is becoming even more of an insurance problem when we should be moving away from that. Basic things like seeing a doctor for a check-up and buying certain prescriptions seemingly shouldn’t require insurance. I’m not sure enough why basic procedures are so costly. That strikes me as being a supply-side issue, though, and I’m not as in-tune as I should be in that area. I have to believe, though, that regulations are in some way distorting the pricing system.

Seeing that I’d rather have incremental progress than no progress at all, I wouldn’t be completely opposed to a minimum safety net, particularly for those who truly can’t afford health insurance. This would mean beefing up Medicaid, not only in a monetary sense but also fixing the fraud that occurs in most redistribution programs.

by CWSKeith on Mar 23, 2010 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

"First, I’ve never understood why health coverage is so heavily linked to your job."

Me neither, but that was apparently off the table from day 1. I assume it has something to do with fucking with an interested industry.

I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.

by colintj on Mar 23, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

well i know it was an arbitrary choice made

in the postwar(?) era. but why everyone is attached to the idea i don’t understand. enough people are happy with the system as it is so radical changes aren’t possible? college grads are still only unemployed at 5%, for instance.

I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.

by colintj on Mar 23, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

it wasn't arbitrary.

it was implemented for very good reasons. of course, some of those reasons no longer exist. other options should be explored.

and, yes, most/many people are happy with their health insurance. and most/many people are unhappy with radical change.

by larry on Mar 23, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

care to explain/link?

the best i can think of is that it was initially incentive to gain employment (oiw as a benefit for being able to find a job in) in a time when medical care wasn’t seen as a given. then, the seeming fairness of that policy breaks down when everyone is used to being employed and used to having healthcare.

I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.

by colintj on Mar 23, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

pretty sure that wasn't it.

there were wage controls during WWII. a fun way to circumvent wage controls to get workers is to provide valuable fringe benefits. like health insurance. it’s even funner when the IRS rules that workers don’t have to pay taxes on it. the fun barrel keeps rolling when employers can write it off as a business expense.

large businesses are also an easy way to get a pool of people together. in an era when most people stayed at their job for many, many years – perhaps their entire careers – portability wasn’t much of a concern.

by larry on Mar 23, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

ty

I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.

by colintj on Mar 23, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

but i said the same stuff basically to my dad

last summer. i do like the Mankiw/Friedman plan of catastrophic insurance and making everything else out of pocket.

I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.

by colintj on Mar 23, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's called a Health Savings Account (HSA)

Whole Foods, e.g. has this type of plan. Works pretty well.

He's a cunning Jew. by Ozzie Montana on Mar 13, 2010 3:30 PM EST

by winningugly on Mar 23, 2010 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

ja ich weiss

they even made a joke about them on Archer.

I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.

by colintj on Mar 23, 2010 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I find the moral grounds for this

of the highest substance. Its fucking retarded for folks to look at this in a bubble and not acknowledge millons of US citizens are not cared for on a basic level. People have no sense of history.

"Have fun with those stats buddy"

"I still don’t see where what I said in my comments isn’t true. But hey a man gotta have his stats."

by Dils

by Tdogg on Mar 22, 2010 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I find it pretty sad

that because you don’t agree with someone’s ideas, you automatically think the worst of their intentions. Glad you continue to add so much “substance” to the debate, though.

by CWSKeith on Mar 22, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

15% are not cared for on a basic level.

85% do. That’s pretty damn good. Yet who says everyone should have health care as a “right”? Is it every person’s “right” to have gainful emplyment, a pension, and white women? I think in certain societies you are supposed to get it your damn self, not have Uncle Sam pimp for you.

He's a cunning Jew. by Ozzie Montana on Mar 13, 2010 3:30 PM EST

by winningugly on Mar 22, 2010 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

85% are.

He's a cunning Jew. by Ozzie Montana on Mar 13, 2010 3:30 PM EST

by winningugly on Mar 22, 2010 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice.

So you see it as an inalienable “right”. We disagree.

He's a cunning Jew. by Ozzie Montana on Mar 13, 2010 3:30 PM EST

by winningugly on Mar 22, 2010 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Then the point of your satire was...?

He's a cunning Jew. by Ozzie Montana on Mar 13, 2010 3:30 PM EST

by winningugly on Mar 22, 2010 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

the point?

the point is that is the crux of the debate.

by larry on Mar 22, 2010 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

And your opinion of the crux is...?

Or are you debating just to debate? No skin in the game? Pick a thing.

He's a cunning Jew. by Ozzie Montana on Mar 13, 2010 3:30 PM EST

by winningugly on Mar 22, 2010 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

in before "i laid it out very clearly"

I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.

by colintj on Mar 22, 2010 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

i don't care particularly either way.

which is why i’m prodding the arguments.

by larry on Mar 22, 2010 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

At what rate do your taxes go up

enough where you do care? That is interesting to me. Back to the 1980 brackets, where the top marginal rate was 70%? Or when you have a kid or two and would rather spend the extra on their education and future, exerting a certain amount of direct influence (rather than the influence of the State)? I agree the hedgies/pvt. equity guys who take their income as “dividends” and get taxed at 15% are skating, but I’ve got school tuition to pay, my man. I’m just trying to make a living.

He's a cunning Jew. by Ozzie Montana on Mar 13, 2010 3:30 PM EST

by winningugly on Mar 22, 2010 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

this!

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Mar 22, 2010 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

i don't know.

i get taxed at, what, 10% on the first 15K, 15% on the next $50K, 25% on the next $70K, 28% on the next $60K, then 33% on the next $160K and then 35% on anything above that? something like that.

i’ve got plenty of money. i would imagine that if a had a job that paid me enough to be in a top marginal rate of 70% that i would be extremely disincentivized to work at that job. but i think it would take quite a bit above 35% to reach that point. $370K, or whatever the point is before one reaches the current top rate, is a lot of money. even after taxes.

by larry on Mar 22, 2010 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

i find a large number of people I discuss taxes with

do not understand this fundamental point. they think if they are in a 33% bracket that all of their money is taxed at 33%.

and of course that is the very same reason they never have to worry about it.

by Trooper on Mar 22, 2010 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

15% of the wealthiest nation on earth are not cared for.

That’s certainly not good. The only true solution to the problems in this country is cloning. We need to clone our smartest, best looking and physically fit specimens and exterminate the weak, ugly and stupid.

by mick10 on Mar 23, 2010 7:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

85% of the fucking world is working.

the other 15 come out here. it’s a fucking playground for the cocksuckers.

"I could give two (bleeps) about it," Buehrle said. "I think this whole Facebook, Twitter, all this stuff is ridiculous, if you ask me."

by BuehrleMan on Mar 23, 2010 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

theres a touch of truth in there.

A good friend works in a ER in St. Paul Minnesota and inexplicably there are a ton of Somali refugees who go to the hospital for every little thing and demand MRIs. There are also a ton of ex-chicago welfare recipients up there as well, I guess they get more money there or something like that but it sounds like ‘we’(proverbial) shipped them there on buses which I think is a funny way to remedy the problem.
 
But since we werent turning the cock suckers away when they showed up at the hospital pregnant or with a knot on their head it makes sense to me to have a plan that encompasses them.

by e-gus on Mar 23, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

isn't the basis of the pro-immigration model

the fact that they tend to do well?

I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.

by colintj on Mar 23, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

sorry for any confusion.

the sole intent of my comment was to be humorous by quoting lee elia because the previous 2 comments included “15%” and “cub fans”.

"I could give two (bleeps) about it," Buehrle said. "I think this whole Facebook, Twitter, all this stuff is ridiculous, if you ask me."

by BuehrleMan on Mar 23, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

wow

i had never heard that before. awesome.

I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.

by colintj on Mar 23, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

you have never heard the lee elia rant?

it is the greatest rant ever. I should know… i rant quite a bit.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Mar 24, 2010 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

i have heard it so many times

i know it by heart.

"I could give two (bleeps) about it," Buehrle said. "I think this whole Facebook, Twitter, all this stuff is ridiculous, if you ask me."

by BuehrleMan on Mar 24, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

how is that a fair response to

his main point, which is that it’s wrong for a society to operate on the idea, “that fucking kids who have no decision or where they are born aren’t always given a fair/ hell semi decent shake.”

it’s either wrong or right and it’s definitely not a substance-less claim. and since it’s one or the other, it looks right to me and it’s easy to see why it would inspire moral outrage. and it’s maybe a little easy to see why Mankiw might be apathetic about that kind of thing. his best argument would probably be something like “is that honestly the best moral use for this amount of money?”

I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.

by colintj on Mar 23, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

[x]

What and Ugly can of worms…

i don't fuck corned beef.
which is why i don’t eat at subway. by larry on Mar 17

by South Side Expat on Mar 24, 2010 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

grammar/spelling fail

“What AN ugly can of worms…”

i don't fuck corned beef.
which is why i don’t eat at subway. by larry on Mar 17

by South Side Expat on Mar 24, 2010 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Paul Krugman is still a good economist

The problem is that he thinks that he understands politics when he clearly doesn’t.

White Sox fan; Jeppson's Malort man

by KarkoviceIsHawt on Mar 22, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Furthermore, colin

I thought the econ guys you followed (and — I assume — generally agree with) aren’t overly fond about the bill. Mankiw’s latest piece in particular seems pretty even-handed and reasonable.

by CWSKeith on Mar 22, 2010 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

they all basically took a pass

Krugman of course didn’t, but he only sort of counts. he’s part of the establishment and his Times column is only sometimes real economist. Mankiw is probably right as are the various others that it’s a vaguely expensive idea and not especially efficient. That’s way different from your tack. None of them think this is going to handcuff our future directions. The closest I’ve seen was Mankiw talking about how we’re still putting off the hardest decisions. Of course we are. HCR was barely passed and we had nothing resembling a mature discussion politically. The end result was a hodgepodge of fixes to the current system as was feasible and, many deemed, these were cost effective once you factor in the moral value. I’ve read Mankiw’s policy which I think I read was a legacy of Friedman. It seemed legit to me. But it was never even on the table thanks to our political process. Fixing that was yet another part of the necessity of this kind of policy.

I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.

by colintj on Mar 22, 2010 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

good holy christ

mankiw’s never written a even-handed and reasonable piece in his life. dude’s to the right of milton friedman.

by Hatchetm on Mar 22, 2010 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

disagree.

I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.

by colintj on Mar 23, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I should also mention

I’m pretty oblivious to who is considered to be a “mainstream economist”.

by CWSKeith on Mar 22, 2010 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

*chose against efficiency

I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.

by colintj on Mar 22, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is that why I'm mostly apathetic then?

I kept waiting for real live economists to say something other then, ‘uh… why aren’t you talking about debt service yet?’

by coffeepac on Mar 22, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

it isn't necessarily their job

to make specific political prescriptions. being able to point out likely best ideas is still helpful.

I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.

by colintj on Mar 22, 2010 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

be a cynic. that's fine.

just don’t compare apples and oranges. i realize you said “closest comp” and then may well be correct. but when that closest comp is markedly different, it doesn’t help much.

by larry on Mar 22, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

fjc

RIP Jim Thome 1-25-2010

an AL team not having a DH is like a giraffe fucking a mule. - larry

by blackoutsox on Mar 22, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

People, can't we discuss something more important than health care? Like, ONEY, for example???

This shit is ridiculous. The kid has to shut his ass up.

One strange little element of this whole thing is that Ozzie, to me, has been remarkably diplomatic in his public comments on this, and has handled it very well from a PR perspective.

"Qualls took over, and then Konerko took over." - Joe Buck

by RWShow on Mar 22, 2010 3:10 PM CDT reply actions  

its not ozzie.

Ozzie pod person. The real ozzie is currently cryogenically frozen, only to be opened for bullpen management.

by coffeepac on Mar 22, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

OzBot?

I like it.

"Qualls took over, and then Konerko took over." - Joe Buck

by RWShow on Mar 22, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're asking far too much of Cowley.

More likely it was Nate Silver. I wonder if there is a correlation between Silver leaving BP and Ozzie being a worse manager/Sox playing poorly? Right? And he was just using the difference between White Sox actuals and PECOTA predictions to drum up PR for BP.

by coffeepac on Mar 22, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

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Managing Editor

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Editors

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