What Will Ozzie Guillen's Preferred Lineup Look Like?
by The Cheat on Mar 24, 2010 11:28 PM CDT
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Mark Kotsay is swinging a hot bat in the Cactus League, so Ozzie Guillen is apparently considering batting him 3rd against right-handers. Guillen is also "leaning towards" leading off Omar Vizquel over Alexei Ramriez or Juan Pierre against left-handers.
I shouldn't have to tell you this isn't a good idea, but I'll give you the numbers anyway. Kotsay has hit .275/.335/.403 against RHP the last three years. A .738 OPS from your #3 hitter. Good thing we got rid of that base-clogger. Now we can produce some real runs. As for Vizquel, he hit a whopping .247/.305/.300 against LHP the last three years. A .305 OBP from our leadoff hitter. Brilliant!
So I'm trying to figure out what Guillen's preferred lineup will look like. Based off the linked article, here's what I come up with:
VS. RHP VS. LHP 1. Pierre LF 1. Vizquel 3B 2. Beckham 2B 2. Beckham 2B 3. Kotsay DH 3. Jones LF 4. Quentin RF 4. Quentin RF 5. Konerko 1B 5. Konerko 1B 6. Pierzynski C 6. Pierzynski C 7. Rios CF 7. Rios CF 8. Teahen 3B 8. Kotsay DH 9. Ramirez SS 9. Ramirez SS
Obviously, there will be significant shuffling this season with Quentin, Konerko, Teahen, Rios, Pierre and Pierzynski (in order from most often to least often) rolling through DH duties, so it's hard to pin down a lineup. There will be no "set" lineup on the south side this season.
Honestly I kinda like the bottom of the lineup in these scenarios, but it comes at the expense of the top of the order. And when you see that the DHydra makes up fully one third of my projected lineup against LHP, it becomes painfully obvious that the Sox are a bat short. They could have achieved the same flexibility by shuffling more talented deck chairs.
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Any manager that leads Omar Vizquel off against a major league lineup does not deserve a job.
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
i agree with you and all that follow...Guillen is absolutely clueless, and in dire
need of a consult geared to educating him about baseball in 2010. Rick Hahn or about 20-30 people who frequent this site are all eligible to do the teaching.
One other sidenote:
Jenks had an outstanding curveball yesterday…..and it sure as hell better stay that way, ‘cause he ain’t thowin’ very hard…..and, no, I don’t believe it’s only because it’s early. I mean, it’s early for that kind of yacker, too.
Ozmo says --
“But Omar was so good when we played against each other in junior high school back in Caracas!”
ive been saying guillen is a tool for years now....
i need no further proof than this.
Kenwo4life=ratings
i may be drunk, but ozzie is an idiot.
tomorrow (well, later today) i will be sober (at some point), but ozzie will still be an idiot.
"I could give two (bleeps) about it," Buehrle said. "I think this whole Facebook, Twitter, all this stuff is ridiculous, if you ask me."
after reading this...
i wish i was drunk when i read it too…. maybe it would make a tad bit of sense- probably not though.
Kenwo4life=ratings
i'll have one more for you!!!!!!
"I could give two (bleeps) about it," Buehrle said. "I think this whole Facebook, Twitter, all this stuff is ridiculous, if you ask me."
after reading this, I started drinking
bird law in this country is not ruled by reason
by soxshenanigans on Mar 25, 2010 1:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Then this should give you a tingly feeling:
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/gallery/Rosenthal-major-league-managers-on-the-hot-seat-032410#sport=MLB&photo=11075739
He's a cunning Jew. by Ozzie Montana on Mar 13, 2010 3:30 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 25, 2010 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
i think the word you're looking for is fugly.
though to be fair, if you extrapolate kotsay’s stolen bases in spring training to a full season, he will steal 50!!! that would probably lead all #3 hitters in baseball!!!!
(i’m convinced kotsay’s .292 batting average last year for the sox bamboozled ozzie.)
this is getting embarrassing.
even if it works, it’s stupid. and it’s not going to work.
"I could give two (bleeps) about it," Buehrle said. "I think this whole Facebook, Twitter, all this stuff is ridiculous, if you ask me."
after the Club on MLB Net... Guillen is set to star in another reality show....
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Mar 25, 2010 12:17 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
sorry, the picture didn't pop up when I replied
I like this too
If you are going to jump the shark, you might as well go all the way.
Here is another fun way of looking at it.
Against righties in 2009
Pods 2009
.297 BA .352 OBP .429 SLG .780 OPS
vs
Kotsay 2009
.290 BA .347 OBP .419 SLG .766 OPS
I think even the XBOX would reject a lineup that would feature Pods as a 3 hole hitter.
by southsideirish71 on Mar 25, 2010 1:19 AM CDT reply actions
THIS is why Ozzie needs a Twitter account
It’s the shiny object that keeps him from talking about truly terrible lineups.
Notice, we didn’t hear anything about Omar Vizquel leading off, DH’ing, or anything else while Ozzie was tweeting about his kids, his boat, his love of Corona.
Now that it looks like the organization has dropped the hammer (his last tweet was Saturday), he’s back to talking out of his ass.
Give him back his ball of string, Kenny!
agreed!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 25, 2010 7:43 AM CDT up reply actions
DHydra! Brilliant!
About time they earned their keep in Bangalore.
"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos
by Chiburb on Mar 25, 2010 6:34 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
hardly
he’s giving ozzie what he wants, but i expect kw to take action if the sox are struggling offensively in the first month or two. i’m just unsure what resources kw will have to take action.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Mar 25, 2010 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions
someone will get injured and the lineup producing like a turd will be blamed on that.
not the fact that just about every game you’ll either Vizquel or Kotsay batting in the first inning.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 25, 2010 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions
That's his plan. KW wants Ozzie gone and knows Reinsdorf won't allow it.
Internal sabotage.
Or, Kenny is just humoring Ozzie, knows the offense will suck, and will trade for Adam Dunn by May. Who knows, I’m so bored.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 25, 2010 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions
this is very distressing to me
the only way i can rationalize it is that lineup optimizers often put the not prototypical #3 in that spot, because that player often comes up with 2 outs for some reason. The MARK FUCKING KOTSAY IN THE THREE HOLE part of my brain is shouting louder, though.
Lurking since 2006
I still won't believe it until I see it.
2010 WhiteSox Baseball: "even if it works it's still stupid"
ditto. then, i'll be incredulous.
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Mar 25, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Calm down! This is a guy that hit 17 homers in 2002.
He’ll be fine.
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
fuck you
and everything you hold dear
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by boyonthedock on Mar 25, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions
coming up on saturday
ill give you a call.
Lurking since 2006
by boyonthedock on Mar 25, 2010 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions
when kotsay starts the year 2-20
he’ll be back on the bench.
My hope is that Kotsay/Vizquel are so bad early in the season that KW is forced to act quickly
My fear is that they will be adequate/lucky early and this charade goes on for the whole season
Wise wasn't removed from lead off last year until he was hurt.
Never underestimate Ozzie’s ability to mistake sucking for a slow start.
"Quantify my balls."
- KenWo
Really? A whole 5 starts!!!!
"Have fun with those stats buddy"
"I still don’t see where what I said in my comments isn’t true. But hey a man gotta have his stats."
by Dils
Well he separated his shoulder after only seven games and you have to account for a scrub Sunday
But he stayed at lead off till injury forced otherwise despite batting well below the Mendoza line for what felt like a hell of a lot longer than just one week while having to actually watch it.
"Quantify my balls."
- KenWo
There is also the ridiculously long time he kept putting Mackowiak out in center
The point is Ozzie is not quick to either realize or correct his mistakes.
"Quantify my balls."
- KenWo
Kept... yea, until Mack was not with the team
"ass hole thi is the same line up whit leftys you idiot"
unfortunately you are missing a few facts
As I said he only started 5 games in the leadoff spot and his line was .261/.292/.478 in that number 1 “position”. Picking 2 instances (of which 1 is wrong) and claiming he is slow to realize mistakes about everything seems dishonest at best and just silly at worst. Ozzie has his flaws but he has definitely been on the higher end of managers willing to change on issues and try things that would benefit the team. Things like moving to a 4 man rotation, or using a closer in a tie ball game etc… Even his about face on Beckham was a positive.
"Have fun with those stats buddy"
"I still don’t see where what I said in my comments isn’t true. But hey a man gotta have his stats."
by Dils
As a general rule most managers
are stubborn as hell.
"Have fun with those stats buddy"
"I still don’t see where what I said in my comments isn’t true. But hey a man gotta have his stats."
by Dils
obviously I have to relent the numbers on Wise
Not wishing to prance about blackberry apps and find the numbers, but my memories from the start of last year include tremendous fan outcry to get Wise out of lead off and Ozzie refusing until Wise separated his shoulder. I could have sworn the kid struggled to get over .100 too. Still Ozzie’s record is split at best. Besides Mackowiak, there is also scrub sundays which we have debated before but has never proven any benefit but is an absolute sin in regards to the fans in attendance Sundays.
"Quantify my balls."
- KenWo
by justjc on Mar 25, 2010 4:42 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
If it were 50% I'd be happy
As a I said most managers are stubborn. As far Sunday’s I don’t get your point. Jim’s research kind of confirmed the Sunday lineup wasn’t “hurting” the team. The clear benefit no one could really prove. But fan attendance has nothing to do with mangerial decisions…… Surely you don’t mean that?
"Have fun with those stats buddy"
"I still don’t see where what I said in my comments isn’t true. But hey a man gotta have his stats."
by Dils
No, what I'm saying is it wrongs the fans
Paying full price to watch the scrub team. Plus while it couldn’t be proven that it hurt the team, there was no clear benefit established over staggering rest for the players. Considering it is like extending a big middle finger to the paying fans when the line-up is posted on Sunday, I still consider it a huge minus on Ozzie’s record.
"Quantify my balls."
- KenWo
by justjc on Mar 25, 2010 5:04 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
if Ozzie always does it on the same day
then any fan who knows the difference knows when to go.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
Sundays are the only days some can go
Especially large families.
"Quantify my balls."
- KenWo
by justjc on Mar 26, 2010 5:55 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
you're both wrong.
he only led off for the first 2 games before getting hurt. was 8th for the third — went 0 fer 10 those 3. then ozzie seemed to make an adjustment and moved him down to 9th where he went 5/10.
I didn't say when he led off
I said how many times he led off.
"Have fun with those stats buddy"
"I still don’t see where what I said in my comments isn’t true. But hey a man gotta have his stats."
by Dils
damnit tdogg
we all know it doesn’t matter how many you hit, it’s when you hit them.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
never mind
I didnt make myself clear, the way it reads it does appear like im saying he led off the first 5 games.
"Have fun with those stats buddy"
"I still don’t see where what I said in my comments isn’t true. But hey a man gotta have his stats."
by Dils
well my main point was he was moved right away and hit .500 batting 9th :)
hard to call ozzie stubborn there.
Was it really only two games?
Damn I have a low tolerance for failure.
"Quantify my balls."
- KenWo
by justjc on Mar 25, 2010 4:54 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
excluding my own
"Quantify my balls."
- KenWo
by justjc on Mar 25, 2010 4:56 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
compared to Kenwo
you’re a monk.
"Have fun with those stats buddy"
"I still don’t see where what I said in my comments isn’t true. But hey a man gotta have his stats."
by Dils
Hey now,
"Quantify my balls."
- KenWo
by justjc on Mar 25, 2010 5:07 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
should read
Hey now, that’s my Department of Veterans Affairs supplier you’re knocking.
Reply fail
"Quantify my balls."
- KenWo
by justjc on Mar 25, 2010 5:08 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
well if I recall
He did look absolutely terrible at the plate in those first 10
"Have fun with those stats buddy"
"I still don’t see where what I said in my comments isn’t true. But hey a man gotta have his stats."
by Dils
I am becoming less and less confident about this team
As time progresses, however I feel like Ozzie is on a short leash when it comes to the DH. The good thing about the tweeting is that leash is most likely even shorter now due to the twitter idiocy.
What exactly is making you less confident about the team?
I mean what has gotten worse since the beginning of spring training? On top of that the preseason favorite is at the moment weakend by the lost of one of their best pitchers.
"Have fun with those stats buddy"
"I still don’t see where what I said in my comments isn’t true. But hey a man gotta have his stats."
by Dils
But like I said
I do not think its going to last long.. it would be great if Jones continues to look this good
This will not last long.
And if it does, it’s only b/c it was miraculously successful. It will be a short lived disaster, Jones will be the full time DH by mid-May. Or Flowers.. or Dunn. Whoever it may be, it will be quickly solved if the pitching lives up to it’s name.
I will say though that the idea that we would sign Mark Teahen long term, to let Omar Vizquel hit against left handers for him disgusts me.
This just reminds me of the typical bad TV show scene when an obnoxious kid tries to smoke, the parent finds out, and then the parents says here.. smoke the entire pack. The kid throws up and realizes that maybe playing guys who don’t get on base or hit homeruns is a bad idea and doesn’t try it again.
by Grinder in Training on Mar 25, 2010 8:31 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
yep
I just really don’t see the need to get all up in arms for something that hasn’t happened yet. Folks really act as if they haven’t seen the Ozzie show before and contrary to popular belief he has shown a willingness to change if things are not working or if certain risks would benefit the team. Yes it silly to have Omar leadoff or DH but in the grand scheme of things if it fails the 5 times he tries it did you really lose sleep?
"Have fun with those stats buddy"
"I still don’t see where what I said in my comments isn’t true. But hey a man gotta have his stats."
by Dils
i agree with GIT too, but i think ozzie's overall managing of the line-up took a step backwards going from 2008 to 2009
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Mar 25, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I could see that argument
But last year was pretty hard to judge.. I mean Dye, Rios didn’t hit at all in the second half, Q was hurt, Getz got hurt regularly, the third base fiasco before Beckham arrived.
It’s easy to say Ozzie didn’t do a good job putting the line up together, but at the same time, he didn’t have much to work with. I mean this is a team that turned to Scott Podsednik, I don’t know if there was much he could do.
by Grinder in Training on Mar 25, 2010 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
lil tdogg
“what is he crazy? Ron Washington might be doing coke but he didn’t have Omar leading off last year and damn for sure wouldn’t put Elvis in the number 3 spot. Maybe we should ban Corona and vodka!”
"Have fun with those stats buddy"
"I still don’t see where what I said in my comments isn’t true. But hey a man gotta have his stats."
by Dils
by Tdogg on Mar 25, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
this is basically the same thing you said
when i was starting to get nervous over the lack of them signing a DH…. you and everybody else on here said “oh its early… kw is just biding his time”… .now look- Kotsay is batting in the 3 hole! I think the whole organization has gone mad.
Kenwo4life=ratings
Kotsay batted 3rd this season?
damn I missed the whole season???? I told you to calm down because
A) The off season wasnt over yet
B) If they decided to go this route, KW would give a short lease (something he’s kind of confirmed)
C) The chances of Jones/Kotsay succeeding were not 0%
"Have fun with those stats buddy"
"I still don’t see where what I said in my comments isn’t true. But hey a man gotta have his stats."
by Dils
Alright! Let's get the rally car/cat memes going early!
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
I CAN HAS DH???
KTHNXBAI!
“Comeing next to the plate, the DH…Mr. Fancy!” (Pods)
Good star loved exited very exited
by thecip on Mar 25, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
We'll see
Ozzie says lots of stuff. About 50% of what he says he winds up doing. I still don’t think Omar Vizquel will get more than 3 starts at DH (granted that’s 3 more than he should). Also in reference to Cheats projected starting lineups I think Pierre will get the majority of ABs against lefties over kotsay and will usually lead off. Pierre has very little L/R split and small ball, blah, blah. If he’s doing what Juan Pierre typically does there will be very few occasions where vizquel leads off. If Quentin gets off to a good start he’ll get most of the abas in the 3 hole.
Please can we just start the season so we can stop talking about what oz might do and start talking about what the team is actually doing!
Where I'm going, you can't follow. What I've got to do, you can't be any part of.
by bhoov on Mar 25, 2010 10:19 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
this
and sometimes i think ozzie masquerades as WTGTD on SSS just to mess with us
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Mar 25, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yep
I really don’t understand the opinion that Pierre will get moved around the lineup that often. Unless he royally sucks (which I realize is a possibilty) he will lead off the majority of the year. He pretty much hits the same against left handers and righties. He’s Ozzie’s wet dream.
"Have fun with those stats buddy"
"I still don’t see where what I said in my comments isn’t true. But hey a man gotta have his stats."
by Dils
prior to 2008
pierre played in 162 games for 5 straight seasons. like aj, another middling player, a large portion of his value is tied to his ability to play a lot.
obviously pierre is a bit older now but so was OC when ozzie rode his ass for like 160 starts. the same should apply.
Ozzie riding Pierre...
There is a visual I really wish I could scrub out of my frontal lobe …
Just a Rip-off of the Actual El Guapo, but a fake not funny one.
by DrEmilioLizardo on Mar 25, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Imagine them in cowboy hats
and spurs with leather riding crops. Haha, why does the horse have a riding crop? or thumbs…
by coffeepac on Mar 25, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Would you please start posting more, bhoov?
Sanity Claus.
He's a cunning Jew. by Ozzie Montana on Mar 13, 2010 3:30 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 25, 2010 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
This won't last.
While I don’t ever wish injuries upon anyone (It’s bad karma) I wouldn’t be distressed if Kotsay and Vizquel got injured early on and were pushed back to pinch hitter/mentor capacities.
I don’t believe this crap will last. Either one of those old farts will get injured, or it fails so miserably that Ozzie sends them back to the bench.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
by Shoeless In SC on Mar 25, 2010 10:51 AM CDT reply actions
I think they should draw out of a hat to determine the lineup
it would help draw more attention to Ozzie
if he were to draw a line up out of a hat
would it likely be better than the ones posted above?
Lurking since 2006
by boyonthedock on Mar 25, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
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extrapolated line-up
from links and articles and you guys are throwing a hissy fit – Sheesh!
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
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by RWShow on Mar 25, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Looking forward to Mania myself. Could be the last show I watch, should my childhood idol retire.
"Qualls took over, and then Konerko took over." - Joe Buck
Porn for women!
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a company from philadelphia?
surely you jest
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by boyonthedock on Mar 25, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I love Ichiro...
“I’ve never caught a ball like that before, so it will stay in my memory,” Ichiro said after the Mariners’ 6-4 win. "If you look at the angle, usually it’s from the right or the left. But that was straight from the top. That was a tough play and was one of my impressive catches.
“You [must] have the imagery to go straight to the ball and not go around it. Once you go around from the left or the right you don’t get to that ball. When you first see it, you imagine where the ball will land. So you go straight to that point where the ball will drop and then you will see it from up top.”
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100323&content_id=8885548&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb
"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos
who said that?
I think Kenny clearly said he was. The whole thing about it being easier for JR (injury wise).
"Have fun with those stats buddy"
"I still don’t see where what I said in my comments isn’t true. But hey a man gotta have his stats."
by Dils
my memory may be gone
but I think you are confusing the initial trade and few folks opinions then. After KW spoke he made it clear he aquired JR to play center.
"Have fun with those stats buddy"
"I still don’t see where what I said in my comments isn’t true. But hey a man gotta have his stats."
by Dils
7/31
Interesting After blasting George Offerman, "Its obvious George the way you couched the question, you dont approve." lol
He talked about several things.
Does sound like Griffrey plays most of his time in CF. KW said the team will rely on Griffrey to tell them how comfortable he feels there and if he can go health wise.
The deal was definitely made with with depth in mind according to him. Thome has a minor groin injury, that might get worse and Dye and Swish will get extra time off.
PK is definitely losing at bats, "Ozzie and I talked we hoped he’d come around and we have given time but its now August."
The demands for relief pitching was outrageous. He just couldn’t do it.
Definitely looking at one of the lefties at joining the bullpen, even if it means 3 left handers.
The SSS motto should be the answer to “What is our deepest fear?”. Or maybe just Prozac.
by Tdogg on Jul 31, 2008 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Have fun with those stats buddy"
"I still don’t see where what I said in my comments isn’t true. But hey a man gotta have his stats."
by Dils
SSS posters expressing disbelief.
True he doesn’t really have a position on this team and I hope to god we don’t stick him in CF for any extended period of time. by BobbySouthSide on Aug 1, 2008 8:45 AM CDT r
Playing Griffey also comes with risks, unless of course he dons a glove and plays a bit of first. That’s because Griffey in the lineup could also involve the risk of their employing Thome at first base, or Griffey in center, and of those two options, the former’s a potentially unacceptable risk, while the latter simply is an unacceptable risk.
the latter post by
by Tdogg on Aug 1, 2008 10:10 AM CDT
umm you do realize that was a post from the Transaction Analysis of BP
you seem to imply I said it……
"Have fun with those stats buddy"
"I still don’t see where what I said in my comments isn’t true. But hey a man gotta have his stats."
by Dils
lol
No I get it. But honestly SSS is correct about as often as PECOTA.
"Have fun with those stats buddy"
"I still don’t see where what I said in my comments isn’t true. But hey a man gotta have his stats."
by Dils
SSS?
we have over 2000 members. saying “SSS” said this or that doesn’t mean anything. certain posters say something. certain editors say something. SSS isn’t a monolith.
you're right the editors are right a little more often
Somewhere between stanchar & larry the truth lies.
"Have fun with those stats buddy"
"I still don’t see where what I said in my comments isn’t true. But hey a man gotta have his stats."
by Dils
The SSS community projections become so, in my opinion.
"Qualls took over, and then Konerko took over." - Joe Buck
did someone say....
Just a Rip-off of the Actual El Guapo, but a fake not funny one.
by DrEmilioLizardo on Mar 25, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
rlol
"ass hole thi is the same line up whit leftys you idiot"
And as BHoov
already pointed out. This isn’t whether posters “THINK” something is going to happen, the White Sox could care less. Its evaluating how often Ozzie does what he says he’s going to do.
"Have fun with those stats buddy"
"I still don’t see where what I said in my comments isn’t true. But hey a man gotta have his stats."
by Dils
he's 35.
"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos
i definitely said that
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
you bastards. we only have 13 votes per player right now.
http://www.tangotiger.net/survey/index2.php?teamid=145&team=Chicago%20White%20Sox
vote or sean combs will make you a member of a shitty band
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
I like it when you vote bitch (bitch)
Shake dem titties when you vote bitch (bitch)
I’ll shove my jimmy through your mouth roof (mouth roof)
Now get yo big ass in the pollin’ booth!
"Qualls took over, and then Konerko took over." - Joe Buck
Breast milk...
You make my daaaaay.
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Didn't Colin or U-God post a SABRmetrically determined line-up
that had Rios leading off?
"Quantify my balls."
- KenWo
No, but it was my prediction...
wild crazy speculation, I admit.
Just a Rip-off of the Actual El Guapo, but a fake not funny one.
by DrEmilioLizardo on Mar 25, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
UG did
http://www.southsidesox.com/2010/2/3/1291563/lineup-construction-the-tango-way
the first thing that jumps out to me is that the 2, 4, 5 hitters are right on the money. beckham and quentin are definitely where they should be as the best hitters on the team. ozzie doesn’t like to give up the platoon disadvantage, so he has to have his lefties and of course he vastly overrates juan pierre. one thing that UG didn’t do was figure out splits first (which is a pain to do correctly), so there are a few things that i’d probably change. using a combo of career splits, CHONE and assuming most hitters have a .020 true talent platoon split in their wOBA, i think that would look like this:
Pierzynski – .330/.310
Konerko – .340/.360
Beckham – .350/.370
Teahen – .330/.310
Ramirez – .310/.330
Pierre – .315/.315
Rios – .330/.350
Quentin – .360/.380
Kotsay – .330/.310
Jones – .310/.330
listed first is vs. RHP. this is more like what i think Kenny saw when he assembled the talent. he went out and got a lot of guys who can be average with their platoon advantage. and oh yeah, Juan Pierre. i think we may have to imagine the leadoff spot as one giant concession to Ozzie. i think the DH was KW being cutesy.
so a Vs. RHP lineup by the Book would probably look like
1. Teahen – .330
2. Beckham – .350
3. Pierzynski – .330
4. Quentin – .360
5. Konerko – .340
6. Rios – .330
7. Kotsay – .330
8. Pierre – .315
9. Ramirez – .310
Konerko doesn’t leadoff, so that means one of the average lefties will have to do. Aside from Pierre, I don’t see a complaint unless you think Kotsay is going to crap the bed. I think the hope is that the chance he craps the bed is the same Andruw breaks out of the fatness. Anyway, it’s obvious why this team is so dependent on Beckham, Rios and Quentin. If they are healthy and themselves, this team can go places. You can make up a lot of ground offensively by having much better right handed hitters than the league. The three year average for all AL RHB vs. RHP is ~ .265/.325/.410. Each of our RHB could beat that and 3/4 likely will.
vs LHP:
1. Rios .350
2. Beckham .370
3. Jones .330
4. Quentin .380
5. Konerko .360
6. Ramirez .330
7. Pierre .315
8. Teahen .310
9. Pierzynski .310
Again, not that far from the projection, outside of the Vizquel threats and starting Rios off down in the lineup. If he starts hitting, he’ll come up. Same with Alexei, whom Ozzie is seemingly always riding for something. Adding Nix instead of Teahen could be a nice pick-me-up for this lineup. Vizquel would not, obviously, but is probably a good enough fielder to be taking his share of starts vs. LHP.
Conclusion: 2, 4 and 5 hitters are where they should be and we’re still a hitter or two short from being really fearsome. JD would actually fit into the lineup pretty nicely. It looks like Kenny knows what he’s doing when he’s not making concessions to Ozzie or misjudging the market.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
by colintj on Mar 25, 2010 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
but I’d go with something like
Pierre
Rios
Beckham
Quentin
Konerko
Ramirez
Teahen
Jones
Pierzynski
Just to break up the lefties a bit
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i maybe should have fanshotted that or FP'd it
that took a while for just a comment
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
you are correct in your assumption
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by NYRoyal on Jan 8, 2010 8:56 AM PST
i might be sold
jones in left, rios in center, quentin in right.
the man has been playin balls out, and im impressed
If the woman is offering an opinion, you are doing it wrong. - HSA
maybe even put him in center, if his speed is there...
and move rios to left. i feel like im fighting my self while typing this.
If the woman is offering an opinion, you are doing it wrong. - HSA
Put down the Spring Training Kool-Aid
Or the beer. Tim Lincecum has been pounded through Spring Training. You don’t hear any Giants fans thinking of sending him to the farm to start the season. Let’s see Andruw perform in real games before he moves to everyday status.
"Quantify my balls."
- KenWo
Of course
The alternative is still Pierre or Kotsay, so what the hell, drink away.
"Quantify my balls."
- KenWo
haha i didnt say make it the every day lineup right now
but hes making a strong case for it. and pierre and kotsay suck my balls
If the woman is offering an opinion, you are doing it wrong. - HSA
nix is also hitting .357
so what the fuck do i know.
If the woman is offering an opinion, you are doing it wrong. - HSA
I'll have a cup, Reverend Jones...
Just a Rip-off of the Actual El Guapo, but a fake not funny one.
by DrEmilioLizardo on Mar 25, 2010 3:30 PM CDT reply actions
reply fial
dadgummit!
Just a Rip-off of the Actual El Guapo, but a fake not funny one.
by DrEmilioLizardo on Mar 25, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
R-O-L-A-I-D-S
"I could give two (bleeps) about it," Buehrle said. "I think this whole Facebook, Twitter, all this stuff is ridiculous, if you ask me."
S-H-E-L-L-A-C-K-I-N-G T-H-E D-O-L-P-H-I-N
Just a Rip-off of the Actual El Guapo, but a fake not funny one.
by DrEmilioLizardo on Mar 25, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey, let's all stop worrying about this team. We have six All-Stars!
…from the 2002 All-Star teams, that is.
Seriously.
Buehrle, Kong, Freddy, AJ, Oldmar, Jones.
"Qualls took over, and then Konerko took over." - Joe Buck
piss on all stars
Big Frank only did it 5 times.
"Have fun with those stats buddy"
"I still don’t see where what I said in my comments isn’t true. But hey a man gotta have his stats."
by Dils
Lillibridge hit a home run against the Padres
Seriously.
The power play is still f**king clown shoes
Everybody...HIT SOMEBODY! ~ the Chicago Rush are back in April 2010
F-A-N-D-A-N-G-O
"I could give two (bleeps) about it," Buehrle said. "I think this whole Facebook, Twitter, all this stuff is ridiculous, if you ask me."
here's my attempt at
optimizing the Sox lineup according to the book.
new blog! pimpage!
http://whitesoxoutsider.wordpress.com/2010/03/25/what-the-whitesox-lineup-should-look-like/
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He's a cunning Jew. by Ozzie Montana on Mar 13, 2010 3:30 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 25, 2010 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions
thanks for doing the nitty gritty.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
Awful name.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Mar 26, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
I was wondering when this would be mentioned.
"Qualls took over, and then Konerko took over." - Joe Buck
My mistake.
I didn’t see your book until now, I’m going to change it to something original like Pale House Pariah or something dumb like that. Sorry about that.
Should have been "White Sox Onlooker."
“Sox Rise of the Machine.” etc etc
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 26, 2010 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions
YOU DIDN'T SEE HIS BOOK?
ARE YOU HELEN KELLER?
He's a cunning Jew. by Ozzie Montana on Mar 13, 2010 3:30 PM EST
No worries. I can empathize.
The working title for the first one was “Big Black Book,” which, I discovered shortly after, is the name of Esquire’s annual style guide.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Mar 26, 2010 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
imagine my dismay when i originally titled my memoirs "the bible"
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Mar 27, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
OK, all fixed
Here’s the new blog
http://www.southsidesox.com/2010/3/24/1389332/what-will-ozzie-guillens-preferred
Again, sorry about that. Seemed like a good name at the time. Doh!
pale hose pariah?
thats just white sox outsider with a thesaurus.
Lurking since 2006
by boyonthedock on Mar 26, 2010 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions
i know fangraphs exists
but im not so sure about this jim fellow
Lurking since 2006
by boyonthedock on Mar 27, 2010 2:56 AM CDT up reply actions
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