Quikcap: Sox Still Not Scoring Or Winning
I was listening to the game/watching on Gameday, so I got nothing particularly acute observation-wise. The big story writes itself, but elsewhere...
- Mark Kotsay ended the DH hit drought, but I'm pretty sure the ire is still there. I know it's kinda meaningless, but is there any chance Ozzie can move The Versatility Show down in the order? It's depressing to watch three major league hitters in a row followed by a cripplefest.
- I thought Gordon Beckham was in the middle of one of his worst ever days at the plate, but you really don't have to go that far back for an 0-fer with 2 K's. Freddy Garcia's last start prior to today saw The Savior go 0-5 with 2 K's. I think I may have started taking his nickname too seriously.
- Speaking of Freddy, you have to like that start. Watching his command on Gameday, it seemed like he was determined to miss off the plate. But he managed to throw enough good strikes to avoid being hurt too badly. Against Mauer, this still meant 1-3 with a walk, but he was still able to challenge the rest of the lefties and induce weak contact. Additionally important to this effort: he was 90+ mph with his fastball. I'm still not close to convinced, but that's a number of really good starts against tough competition dating back to last year. In 10 starts since making his '09 debut, he's managed 8 quality starts. He's given up fewer than 4.3 runs per nine during that run.
- Um, Scott Linebrink came into the game with the bases loaded, no outs and gave up zero runs. As I mentioned in the game thread, the expectation was 2.4 runs scoring over the course of the inning after the bases juiced. Which means Scott was responsible for a quarter win added above average all on his lonesome. It also means his pitching in that game was worth more wins than the entirety of his effort in '09. It could also mean his appearance in high leverage situations until he stops forgetting his gas can.
- The Sox starters have a 4.2 FIP through 5 starts.* The Sox as a team have a 3.67 FIP and have actually ceded 2.93 runs per nine.** The AL has averaged 4.3 per. If the Sox had an average offense, they'd be 3-2. Instead, they're 1-4. Every bit of worry that this team might end up wasting its great pitching has officially and already spilled over into irrational hatred of anyone even proximally involved. Like I said, the big story writes itself.
*Using 5.4 - 13*(SO-UIBB-HBP)/PA for FIP
**If you took out Linebrink's performance today and subbed in an average performance for those three outs, it would almost totally make up the difference between the team's FIP and their actual runs ceded. Maybe it would be easier to think of this game as lost 4-1? It kind of hurts less. There's been way too much Bizarro 2005 to these close games so far. Even the human part of larry experiences dread over the idea that 2007 wasn't penance enough.
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the white sox are killing my family.
"I could give two (bleeps) about it," Buehrle said. "I think this whole Facebook, Twitter, all this stuff is ridiculous, if you ask me."
you are killing your family
the White Sox are just an accessory.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
how dare you.
thanks for the recap.
"I could give two (bleeps) about it," Buehrle said. "I think this whole Facebook, Twitter, all this stuff is ridiculous, if you ask me."
The real question is...
This is line up number 5! How will Ozzie handle the pressure by the end of the season of coming up with lineup 162? Can he do it? Is it possible? For those that don’t think Ozzie is a skilled manager, only time will tell.
"ass hole thi is the same line up whit leftys you idiot"
I dont think you were,
but please do not use Ozzy nor Greg Walker as an excuse for these WhiteSox losses. These are on the players who are not hitting. Also, perfect baseball weather today, so the “its too cold in Chicago April’s” shit doesn’t fly today. Man I’m pissed, outstanding outings by 4 of our 5 starters and only 1 win to show for it.
The season of Oz is upon us, be afraid.
wife busted me about 10 times staring...
she married me, but not my eyes, I keep telling her.
Also, glad to see that Linebrink took offense to my bashing yesterday and actually looked like a MLB player.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Apr 11, 2010 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions
was at the game today
Another quality pitching start wasted because WE DO NOT HAVE ANY OFFENSE. My sister (who was a bit drunk) pointed out that I looked really pissed on the train on the way back.
Tons of Twins fans at the game todat too.
Going tomorrow as well, hope we get a win.
I've always thought about taking the train into the game,
it makes a lot of sense, probobly beats the hell outa $23 parking and traffic. How has your experience been with it? and where do you get on?
The season of Oz is upon us, be afraid.
i think its 27 this year
nuts.
by BuehrleMan on Apr 9, 2010 10:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
*facepalm*
by HappyHuman on Apr 9, 2010 10:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I do it all the time
but then I work downtown and live a block from the brown line.
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.
by NorthSidePaulie on Apr 10, 2010 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I take the train to games all the time...
Both from way up north now, and from the 111th st bus to the redline at 95th to the stadium back in the day.
Never had a problem. Much easier, no worries about drinking, and really, Sox fans on the red line are so much easier to deal with than those folks up near Addison.
The IIT Metra stop, when they do it, will be nice.
i don't fuck corned beef.
which is why i don’t eat at subway. by larry on Mar 17
by South Side Expat on Apr 11, 2010 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions
The train is great
When I was in Chicago I used to take the red line down to the games all the time.
Going back we’d often hail a cab, but this was more due to our fundamental impatience to get to the bar after the game than anything else.
I take the el to every game I go to.
I take the brown line to the red line. If you are coming from out of town, plenty of free parking in my neighborhood and it’s close to the brown line. Experience is always good, better than traffic and paying for parking at least. Means you can’t tailgate though unless someone you know drove, but otherwise it’s much better.
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on Apr 11, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Check it:
Free parking on the east side of the Dan Ryan, around 35th and State. New condos are built, but no permit parking yet. If you get there at least an hour before the game there’s usually plenty of spaces. Also, if you’re going north, take the Green Line after the game. Never that crowded.
The sky IS falling.
i always park there
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
If I drive, I do.
It’s kind of a dick move, but hey. Call your alderman, locals. (It was actually on the afternoon news a few days ago. They’re considering permits. But for now, go for it).
The sky IS falling.
i've parked there
and there were a decent number of locals charging. way better to just collect the income than to let the gov’t do it, right?
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
condos with garages, no?
they were opening them up and stuffing them in for 10-20 bucks.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
Thanks.
You should come to the meet-up, newbie.
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by winningugly on Apr 11, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
what did you learn?
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Apr 11, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd like to come.
Who’s got the sign up list?
larry. A kind word for everyone.
HSA.
E-mail her. You know she’ll have one for you. And if she doesn’t, I do. subterraneanhsa@gmail.com
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briefly flipped to baseball tonight on espn (i know, my fault)
where i saw the “highlights” of the sox game. they showed the play where rios got doubled off second and actually paused it and highlighted rios freezing between second and third and looking over his shoulder. after they showed it eduardo perez chimed in with the brilliant observation,“i think he forgot how many outs there were.”
really eduardo? you think that? idiot.
"I could give two (bleeps) about it," Buehrle said. "I think this whole Facebook, Twitter, all this stuff is ridiculous, if you ask me."
how the fuck did he forget how many outs there were?
he led off the inning with a double. He just misread the play horribly. No chance he thought there were two outs. Unless of course he really did, and then we have bigger problems then I thought ‘cause we’d have a Trig Palin level retard on the team.
he didn't forget how many outs there were.
that’s why i called eduardo perez an idiot.
"I could give two (bleeps) about it," Buehrle said. "I think this whole Facebook, Twitter, all this stuff is ridiculous, if you ask me."
and yes.
it is debatable which is worse. doing what he did knowing the out situation or forgetting how many outs there were.
"I could give two (bleeps) about it," Buehrle said. "I think this whole Facebook, Twitter, all this stuff is ridiculous, if you ask me."
He wasn't watching Cox...just off in Rios la-la land...and that's a scary place.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Apr 11, 2010 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions
I will say that if this is KW giving Ozzie what he wanted
and it’s a brilliant ploy to give Ozzie just enough rope to hang himself, then perhaps it was for the better.
Well Oz, you got your Kotsay/Jones DH platoon. You got your “speedy” left fielder, you happy now you bitch?
But what about Teahen and Pierre?
Those additions didn’t make much sense either, or signing Teahen for 3 more years, that seems like a KW mistake, not an Ozzie problem.
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on Apr 11, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I think the offense will turn it around
and when they do this team will catch fire. I bet they play alot better on the road. They are just sucking at home for some reason.
Think of the bright side
we are only 3.5 games back!
we all thought coming in
that the pitching would be great and the offense would suck. Now that it’s actually happening has destroyed any optimism i once had. I know i know, only 5 games etc., still can’t help it though.
Wait guys!
no need to panic. Remember the Sox scored 6 runs on opening day! oh…wait that was week ago already…
Ozzie Ball
get em on, get em over, dont get em in
Let's play a game I like to call "Predict Ozzie's first 'Sundays only count as half games' lineup of 2010"
1. Pierre LF+CF
2. Bacon 2B
3. Kotsay RF
4.Teahen 3B
5. Kotsay 1B
5. Contest Winner SCF
6. Omar SS
7. Castro DL
8. Kotsay DH
9. Vacant because what’s the difference
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by billyok on Apr 11, 2010 1:15 AM CDT reply actions 5 recs
9:
Buehrle. He had one more home run than Pierre last year, and as many as Vizquel.
The sky IS falling.
by bacon, I assume you mean actual bacon strips cooking in the sun
RIP Jim Thome 1-25-2010
an AL team not having a DH is like a giraffe fucking a mule. - larry
didnt read any of this bull shit cuz i know what it sais.
im obliteratided, and i hope you ar etwo.
fuck shit, and fuck shit. maybe we all get to play with bnoobds, even it they are “mystery boobs” amirite??
fuckin ballsacks is what i feel so far about this team and blow me if you feel different sofar! talk to you in 13 hours when this ginger wakes the fukc up!
bevereges are gooooooood.
Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok
by BoeJouma on Apr 11, 2010 2:13 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Green, for the leftover Paddy's day beer.
"Qualls took over, and then Konerko took over." - Joe Buck
hiccups*
*are annoying at 2:17 am. i just wanna sleeeeeeeeeeeeep. fuck you, Portslut. love you!1
Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok
by BoeJouma on Apr 11, 2010 2:18 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
This.
Is True. Go Go Portslut!!!
HI I HAVE BEEN DRINKING BEVERAGES
by billyok on Mar 13, 2010 5:22 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
by omnipotent grab on Apr 11, 2010 2:20 AM CDT up reply actions
I like freddy the slow ball pitchter.
that is all.
for now.
i reserve the right to think of more between now and whenever this thread falls off the front page.
Freddy and Linebrink are the bright spots.
If the staff continues to pitch this well, no one will have any blame but the line-up for future futility.
by Ghost Soldier on Apr 11, 2010 8:22 AM CDT reply actions
I gotta admit I screamed like I just saw my mother get shot
when I saw Pierre look like helen keller under that ball in LF yesterday.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
Cool Story
So we were leaving the game yesterday heading to the red line and I am carrying my daughter. We are on the northside of the stadium and there is this homeless guy in a wheelchair asking for change. Up pulls this black caddy with sox flags on ALL of the windows. Out pops Minnie Minoso and he walks over to the guy, pulls out his money clip and gives the guy EVERYTHING in the clip.
Well, my daughter and I are about 5 feet from him and I tap him on the shoulder and say “hey minnie, hows it going?” He then says pretty good and looks at my daughter and goes “hey darling”. Then my daughter, the huge mickey mouse/disney channel fan goes "hey minnie! (thinking he was minnie mouse) and then goes, “see ya minnie”. It was really cute. Then Minnie drives by us and gives us a couple honks of his horn.
For 84-years old, he looks pretty good…
WU, you cantankerous OPOS, you could learn a thing or two from one of your peers.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Apr 11, 2010 8:55 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
This has put a touch of sunshine on my dreary morning.
i don't fuck corned beef.
which is why i don’t eat at subway. by larry on Mar 17
by South Side Expat on Apr 11, 2010 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Cute story about Minnie, BSS.
Wheelchair guy (near Gate 6) is Willie. Good guy, doesn’t ask for money, doesn’t say a peep. Just shakes his cup. I give him a few bucks every game I go to. One game last year it was raining when the game ended. He smiled as I approached, I put a few bucks in his plastic glass and he offered me his umbrella saying I could return it to him the next game I was at. Trying to keep the paying customers happy.
larry. A kind word for everyone.
by ballyb on Apr 11, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
This is a great addition to the story, bally.
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by winningugly on Apr 11, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Things I can take away from your interchange:
1. Good guys drive black cars. (So do I, BTW.)
2. I should give all my cash to homeless people.
3. I should flirt with toddlers.
4. I should honk at people who accost me on the sidewalk.
It does sound as it he’s a really good guy. I hope to hit 84 some day. Good story.
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by winningugly on Apr 11, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
colin, I enjoy the very last sentence the most.
Very clever (not the larry part, but the penance part). I agree – regression to the mean is a bitch.
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you can't ever stop being Catholic
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
The concept "Karma" would've also sufficed.
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by winningugly on Apr 11, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
A human sacrifice must be made.
I nominate Teahen.
By the way, Bizarro 2005 is a 100%, dead-on description of this year so far.
by The Actual El Guapo on Apr 11, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Colin or anyone else, what does this mean?
“There’s been way too much Bizarro 2005 to these close games so far.”
larry. A kind word for everyone.
c'mon bally
WU got it and he’s popping the cork in mid afternoon these days
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
It was my idea (losing close games),
or at the very least I mentioned it about 2-3 times the last few days. But you elevated it to greatness. That $180,000 education is paying off.
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by winningugly on Apr 11, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
record in close games is handed down by the gods
and there’s nothing you can do about it.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
Different IQs.
larry. A kind word for everyone.
Different amount of time on the site.
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by winningugly on Apr 11, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I understand very little that Colin ever posts,
especially when it’s acronym laden.
larry. A kind word for everyone.
i'm supposed to try to not do that no more
more primers?
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
This team has too much Softly-hit-to-third-He'll-have-to-put-that-one-in-his-pocket
from Mark “The Shoplifter” Teahen.
I no like it the defense of the guy with one hit mite watch some golfs today yesssss go tiger lol
i no like it the offense.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Apr 11, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Was the non-BobbySouthSide lineup posted?
If not:
Pierre7, Beckham4, Quentin9, PK3, Kotsaydh, Rios8, AJ2, Ram6, Teahen5. Buehrle pitching.
At least Teahan is farther down.
Having a hot wife must be what’s keeping Kotsay in the hole.
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by winningugly on Apr 11, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
seriously
why can’t AJ hit 5th?
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
(Sighs. Contemplates commenting.
Takes the high road. Plans the Disarming Big Hug for larry in 5+ weeks.)
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by winningugly on Apr 11, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
they have remarkably similar offensive statistics over the last few years.
one is a catcher. one is a DH. if you think this post is negative about aj, you need to think again.
No.
You just chose AJ as the comparative player to someone that sucks right now. Are you adjusting for position? I wouldn’t love AJ as our DH, either.
(Shit. He got me. Plan B.)
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by winningugly on Apr 11, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
yes
but it pains me far less to watch AJ. i admitted in the recap that it wasn’t rational.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
well, it could be rational.
as pointed out, they’re probably the same player production-wise. wouldn’t take much to tip it one way or the other. certainly very defensible to switch them, if you like.
it's really just my desire not to have to see Kotsay
so soon. AJ i can deal with. Kotsay is adding to my frustration. if everything were going smoothly and Kotsay still weren’t hitting, i probably wouldn’t even care. i’d be able to say SSS and move on.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
honestly
I’d like to see AJ in the 2 hole and Bacon in the 5. I understand leading off w/ 2 lefties isn’t ideal, but I think AJ, as Hawk has said on the broadcast, can handle the 2 really well.
beckham has to hit 2nd or 4th
he’s the 2nd best hitter on the team.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
Well you're not gonna move the only 2 HR hitters
out of the 3-4 spot in Q & PK. So I suppose he’s staying put @ 2?
5th and 3rd are about equal, iirc
really, it should be Beckham and Quentin hitting 2nd and 4th, with PK either 3rd or 5th. after that, it doesn’t matter a whole lot outside of needing to bat Pierre last.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
Not this year so far.
I’d like to see some flexibility in flipping guys around the order, especially if you are trying to shake it up, or ease the pressure off a kid. Willie Mays was dropped to 7th for that reason when he first came up. I’d feel fine with exchanging him and Rios, for example, since Rios seems to be swinging pretty well.
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by winningugly on Apr 11, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
he doesn't strike me as a kid
who’d settle for being lower in the order. he’d force his way back up anyway. i’d rather capitalize on his upswing.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
Well, in that case, if he's more ego-driven,
maybe it would wake him up. He looks awful.
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by winningugly on Apr 11, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
2nd or 3rd
projections have him and PK being about the same bat wOBA-wise. FANS is high (by a lot) on Becks.
Ozzie: "We're not playing bad, we're just not hitting."
Ok, good. I was getting worried there for a second.
I guess the mental errors (e.g. Rios baserunning) are OK and just part of the game.
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by winningugly on Apr 11, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
http://www.southsidesox.com/2010/4/9/1413881/opinion-the-white-sox-should
larry. A kind word for everyone.
To
hitting is a worthless stat anyway
larry. A kind word for everyone.
glad to see you're recognizing the importance of offense.
perhaps you’ll finally join me on the G-O-O-D-P-L-A-Y-E-R-S bandwagon.
I'm on the
G-O-O-D-P-L-A-Y-E-R-S—W-I-T-H-H-E-A-R-T—W-H-O-C-A-N-P-L-A-Y-D-E-F-E-N-S-E bandwagon.
larry. A kind word for everyone.
who cares where the runs come from?
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
I'll check it out
and get back to you later.
You might have to remind me.
larry. A kind word for everyone.
for anyone who has espn3 (formerly espn360)
at 1 pm central time you will be able to see the louisville bats v toledo mudhens and/or harrisburg v altoona. aroldis chapman pitching for louisville, strasburg for harrisburg. i think that’s neato.
"I could give two (bleeps) about it," Buehrle said. "I think this whole Facebook, Twitter, all this stuff is ridiculous, if you ask me."
I am not kidding.
4 minutes ago, Farmer’s response to Rongey’s first question / statement about the 1-4 start was
“We are not getting good pitching.”
larry. A kind word for everyone.
he blames the B-U-L-L-P-E-N i presume.
"I could give two (bleeps) about it," Buehrle said. "I think this whole Facebook, Twitter, all this stuff is ridiculous, if you ask me."

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