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Recap: Twins, Jones, Kotsay Strenuously Object To Stereotyping

 

The game was close throughout after Buehrle managed to get himself back on track following a rough first three.  The Sox kept it close enough with both strange and familiar contributions, including a solo shot from Mark No Seriously Kotsay.  The Savior did the same and an early Konerko 2 run blast meant the game was tied heading into the 8th.  Buehrle set down Hudson, Mauer and Morneau: ground out, ground out, line out. 

The bottom of the eighth showed again what the Sox can do with real hitters hitting 2-5, if only for a half.  A predictable Pierre ground out preceded a less anticipated Beckham weak roller, but Quentin and Konerko followed with singles.  Gardenhire gave Blackburn the hook after 7 2/3 IP and 98 pitches.  Can you somehow be economic and give up 3 bombs a game?  Evidently.  Gardy went to the lefty Jose Mijares and Ozzie called on Andruw Jones to regain the platoon advantage.*  Jones, continuing the Real DH impression, singled and everything looked sewn up until J.J. Hardy singled off Bobby Jenks to bring up Jim Thome** with a chance to tie or win with two outs.

Bobby was throwing gas and nothing but.  All four pitches came in at 96 mph.  The Masher tipped the first, took the second high, swung through the third and sent the fourth flying to the opposite field wall.  It looked like he guessed away and Bobby put it right there for the ol' slugger.  But he wasn't clutch enough to stop Hardy from trying to score from first.  Juan Pierre and his Designated Thrower Mark Teahen set up a solid relay to easily get Hardy.  5-4 game over, crisis averted and series salvaged.  A coin flip of a win goes to the Sox and it's off to Toronto.  But not before laughing at the ever professional grindaholic Twins for their costly vision and base rounding problems.

Star-divide

  • Apparently if you call out Mark Kotsay in a game recap, he'll hit a home run the next day.  Same with Gordon Beckham, but I'm less worried about him failing to hit more HR than '09 Pods.  Yeah, that's me calling out Mark Kotsay in a game recap twice in two games.  Maybe it seems harsh, but it's days like this that make the lack of DH so evident.
  • I watched this first through gameday/radio and then went back and watched some clips.  Looking at Buehrle's location, it didn't look that rough.  Mauer got to him, but that's just what he does sometimes.  Aside from that the walk to Harris was pretty bad, but the one to Young was the end of a long at bat featuring a surprisingly good take from Young.  Just flipping through, here's what looked like the worst pitch I saw Buehrle throw.  This is Denard Span's AB from the 3rd inning:

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  • The whole last sequence was just hilarious.  It looked completely non-threatening, like we'd finally win again, until Thome went unclutch and launched on 1-2 off a 96 mph heater...and a split second later everything was fine again thanks to Juan Pierre's Second Right Arm.  The baseball gods just want us to know they can and will fuck with us.

*Critical stat of the moment #1: pinch hitters managed a .665 OPS over the last three seasons. Critical stat of the moment #2: Mark Kotsay career vs. LHP - .726 OPS.  That's a 15-20 run difference over 650 plate appearances, but Ozzie only makes a handful of these switches over the year.  You can shoot from the hip every now and then, but there's a penalty for pinch hitting that eventually adds up.

**Of all the gin joints...

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Anyone know what the Sox recent record has been in the Rogers Center?

It seems like we’ve done poorly there of late.

The season of Oz is upon us, be afraid.

by OznCoop on Apr 12, 2010 8:07 AM CDT reply actions  

Ozzie likes Canada
“I like Toronto,” manager Ozzie Guillen said. “I don’t like when we go on the field and they kick our butts every day.”

by 815Sox on Apr 12, 2010 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Canada never second guesses anything

It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted

by Scotty Ballgame on Apr 12, 2010 8:31 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I heard on the radio that Gardenhire said

they sent Hardy because they thought there was no relay man. That made me chuckle!

This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training

by Jack M on Apr 12, 2010 8:16 AM CDT reply actions  

No relay man for Juan Pierre?

The Sox aren’t that stupid.

The season of Oz is upon us, be afraid.

by OznCoop on Apr 12, 2010 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah agreed

not sure how legit it was, but somebody on the Score said it.

This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training

by Jack M on Apr 12, 2010 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Never underestimate Che

Probably thought Thome hit it out and was combing the dirt in front of him when Pierre dribbled the ball to the infield.

It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted

by Scotty Ballgame on Apr 12, 2010 8:30 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

-

The season of Oz is upon us, be afraid.

by OznCoop on Apr 12, 2010 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

the twins are saying because there was a shift on thome, the relay was "unorthodox" and they thought they might be able to score.

(in other words, they thought the sox were going to botch it). it seems like alexei should be able to get out there for a relay and beckham should be able to cover second. i don’t know. also, as teahen was receiving the throw, what was ulger doing hopping onto the field? hardy was already past him. i’m suspicious about that.

here’s a link to gardy’s thoughts on the heads-up play.

"I could give two (bleeps) about it," Buehrle said. "I think this whole Facebook, Twitter, all this stuff is ridiculous, if you ask me."

by BuehrleMan on Apr 12, 2010 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

*ullger.

"I could give two (bleeps) about it," Buehrle said. "I think this whole Facebook, Twitter, all this stuff is ridiculous, if you ask me."

by BuehrleMan on Apr 12, 2010 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

awesome, thanks for the link and explanation

This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training

by Jack M on Apr 12, 2010 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hits to left field are usually the 3B's relay.

If it’s in the gap, you’ll see the SS go out for it, but LF to home relays are usually cut by the 3B.

"Fundamentals are a crutch for the talentless" - Kenny Powers

by Choke Cubs Choke on Apr 12, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hardy said:

“I’ve never been on a team where the third baseman was the relay man in left-center,” Hardy said. “That’s what’s weird about it.” Teahen left the bag to make a good play. That’s why he’s so highly regarded for his defensive ability.

The sky IS falling.

by Teahenny Penny on Apr 12, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

You are correct, sir

Sometimes the 1B will take it and the 3B stays at the bag

currently sigless

by oahu420 on Apr 12, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hardy does seem like a nice guy

Spent about 15 minutes talking to fans before the game right in front of me. Hudson was very generous as well.

I was also on TV during that Konerko foul catch… my little sister is cowering right next to me.

Thank god the Sox won… still wasn’t all that convincing of a win IMO.

by 815Sox on Apr 12, 2010 8:31 AM CDT reply actions  

I was behind the Sox dugout. Looked like Beckham and Mauer were having a fun conversation at second base. Both talking and smiling.

Probably basking in eachother’s awesomeness. Or something like that.

Peavy would have punched him in the face.

“We’re at war!! Aaaaaarrrrgggghhhh!”

by 67WMAQ on Apr 12, 2010 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Spare some change, Mr. Moneybags?

I’m making minimum wage over here."

The sky IS falling.

by Teahenny Penny on Apr 12, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

The savior cares not for material possesions.

i don't fuck corned beef.
which is why i don’t eat at subway. by larry on Mar 17

by South Side Expat on Apr 12, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

cast off this taint and become taintless

/stormy waters

I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.

by colintj on Apr 12, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

FJJH.

I am more prone to be inquisitive to promote discussion.

by winningugly on Apr 12, 2010 10:27 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

For the final out, My wife wanted Thome to get the Home run and I wanted the save.

We were arguing over whether it would teach Ozzie anything if Thome did go deep, whether it is ever OK to root agianst the team, whether Bobbie should lose his role as closer, etc. Then Thome got his hit. Then the relay to A.J. to catch Hardy was so bizarre we both shrugged, forgot our arguments, went outside to garden/play catch with the boy.

Here’s hoping Peavy can chill the Jays’ hot bats and that Kotsay’s passport is expired so he can’t play.

"Quantify my balls."
- KenWo

by justjc on Apr 12, 2010 9:37 AM CDT reply actions  

FYW.

FHITA.

I am more prone to be inquisitive to promote discussion.

by winningugly on Apr 12, 2010 10:28 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

sig worthy

"the worst thing about this team is going to be the manager." - Ozzie Guillen, USA Today Sports Weekly

by e-gus on Apr 12, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're a cranky OPOS this morning.

I’m enjoying it.

Moose Skowron: "I would be dying to have faced you."
Steve Stone: "First of all, I would look at you and start laughing because you're the smallest moose I've ever seen in my life, and second of all you couldn't hit a curve ball with a canoe paddle, so let's not talk about it."

by RWShow on Apr 12, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Now only if Quentin

would learn to hit the cut-off man. Weeny arm Pierre has to and Carlos should learn to.
Earlier in the game when he bobbled the ball before trying the throw out at the plate he could have prevented the hitter from advancing to second. Fundamentals – this is the most abused one in baseball.

"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain

by phastphil on Apr 12, 2010 10:05 AM CDT reply actions  

or konerko should have cut it to get the out at second

brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight

by whitesoxmatt on Apr 12, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I believe

the throw was beyond Kornerko’s reach.

"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain

by phastphil on Apr 12, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think it was catachable

link

brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight

by whitesoxmatt on Apr 12, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

your right

Kornerko had to duck – Pierzynski should have telling him to cut it.
OK Carlos your forgiven – mea culpa

"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain

by phastphil on Apr 12, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was surprised at the throw by Pierre

I swear I didn’t think it will reach the cut off man without a bounce and a roll, but it somehow did.

Lupe, release the balloons!

by LT_sox_fan on Apr 12, 2010 10:51 AM CDT reply actions  

I think a fair amount of unreasonable hand wringing went on this weekend over the DH hydra

Especially compared with many of the poor abs the savior had with little criticism.

"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score

by Tdogg on Apr 12, 2010 11:00 AM CDT reply actions  

Some people get diplomatic immunity

Beckham is one, Pierzynski another. He swung at a lot of bad pitches this week.

by 67WMAQ on Apr 12, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Come on.

Beckham has has well forever,

The DH machine has hit like crap for the last few seasons.

larry. A kind word for everyone.

by ballyb on Apr 12, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

huh?

"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score

by Tdogg on Apr 12, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Huh, what.

larry. A kind word for everyone.

by ballyb on Apr 12, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't understand your point.

"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score

by Tdogg on Apr 12, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have broad shoulders.

larry. A kind word for everyone.

by ballyb on Apr 12, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

“I think a fair amount of unreasonable hand wringing went on this weekend over the DH hydra”
I don’t think the criticism of the plan of trotting out mainly Kotsay / Jones as your DH is unreasonable.

Beckham has always hit, why criticize him?

larry. A kind word for everyone.

by ballyb on Apr 12, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

I heard that the first 800 times it was said.

Now let it play out. Give a reasonable amount of time, then fire away. And as to Beckham I’m not really into getting on anybody 5 games into a season but his performance at the plate Sat was just dreadful. Of course I expect him to hit, but I also expect a certain amount of production from Kotsay/Jones. The hilarious part is some of you won’t be happy whether they produce or not.

"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score

by Tdogg on Apr 12, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would love for Jones to produce so well, he plays every day

500,000 for a real DH. Awesome.

"Quantify my balls."
- KenWo

by justjc on Apr 12, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm letting it play out.

There’s a natural inclination for people to say I told you so about a “high profile” situation that goes in their favor, regardless of the time frame. Beckham deserves and is getting a pass. I won’t be one of those that you refer to in your last sentence.

larry. A kind word for everyone.

by ballyb on Apr 12, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would be happy if they produce, but it's kind of like Podsednik's production last year.

It was a pleasant surprise, but it was so unlikely to happen/continue that we were constantly waiting for the other shoe to drop.

It’s so obviously a flawed plan of attack to expect Kotsay to be an important contributor to the team that when fulfills the lack of expectations that we have for him – even in small sample sizes, and on an incremental basis – it only serves to slowly but surely justify our negative feelings on the plan in the first place.

The real loser – so to speak – in the situation is Kotsay, who is put in a position where it is virtually impossible for him to succeed. I won’t cry a river for a guy making $1.5m, but Ozzie’s bullshit plan isn’t Kotsay’s fault, yet he gets to play the asshole by weakly grounding out every goddamn at-bat.

Moose Skowron: "I would be dying to have faced you."
Steve Stone: "First of all, I would look at you and start laughing because you're the smallest moose I've ever seen in my life, and second of all you couldn't hit a curve ball with a canoe paddle, so let's not talk about it."

by RWShow on Apr 12, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

We'll see.

For me I think the disconnect is the argument of whether they will be productive or as productive as Thome would have been. The latter is certainly no, but the former I withhold judgement on.

I also don’t pin the hopes of the season on them anyway. No one else did either if I recall before we started.

It’s about starting pitching, a rebound from Quentin/Rios and growth of Beckham.

Kotsay and Jones have both to a degree been hampered in recent years by health (some of it fat induced:-)). There’s a chance the White Sox can extract production from them.

The roster is set for now. Get over it. Evaluate for what it is. Kotsay or Jones don’t somehow get “less” abs then a normal major leaguer because we’re pissed we didn’t get Thome. They’re not going to hit .200.

"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score

by Tdogg on Apr 12, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Depends if you are a half empty or half full kind of guy

There was improvement last year in Texas. They was a 2nd half injury and he’s in better shape – for real. His expected BA and contact rate did rise last year so I feel pretty confident that he’ll be over .200. lol.

"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score

by Tdogg on Apr 12, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry hit.

larry. A kind word for everyone.

by ballyb on Apr 12, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

because it is unreasonable to have a DH hydra

nothing unreasonable about an emerging star at second with a couple of off games. Besides we can also unreasonably blame Ozzie for throwing off Bacon’s rythym by asking him to bunt.

Hee hee hee.

"Quantify my balls."
- KenWo

by justjc on Apr 12, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

toronto preview in the pipes

should be up in a little over an hour. had a test this morning, sorry for the delay.

"A brief but trenchant analysis of Scott Podsednik

He’s dogshit."
by NYRoyal on Jan 8, 2010 8:56 AM PST

by U-God on Apr 12, 2010 11:03 AM CDT reply actions  

i did waste a good deal of time trying to find things to link to instead of studying

proud of that

"A brief but trenchant analysis of Scott Podsednik

He’s dogshit."
by NYRoyal on Jan 8, 2010 8:56 AM PST

by U-God on Apr 12, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

nice

I like the previews, I don’t have time (enough desire?) to look at all the teams we play and who their 5th starter is, etc, so it comes in handy. Of course I could play fantasy baseball, best way to learn the league players in any sport, but …

Lupe, release the balloons!

by LT_sox_fan on Apr 12, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great recap, by the way

You even threw in a Bogart quote for us old folks..

currently sigless

by oahu420 on Apr 12, 2010 11:52 AM CDT reply actions  

finally we win a coin flip game, lost the first few

Alright, time to right this offensive ship. Playing indoors in Toronto, shouldn’t have any “cold” excuses left.

Big start for Peavy, hopefully he can get the series off to a good start.

by madvillian on Apr 12, 2010 12:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Toronto's been playing real well though and winning close games

They also outhit the Rangers and Baltimore’s stocked line-ups. I hope I’m wrong, but I am not optimistic tonight.

"Quantify my balls."
- KenWo

by justjc on Apr 12, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you're not optimistic against the Blue Jays

You might as well throw in the towel and get ready for football season.

"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times

by Grinder in Training on Apr 12, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

seconded

also Beckham won’t adjust to turf bounces, I didn’t see him on the camp Cora roster.

Lupe, release the balloons!

by LT_sox_fan on Apr 12, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

40 yard dash ... hahaha

unless there is a pie waiting for them at the end of it.

Lupe, release the balloons!

by LT_sox_fan on Apr 12, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

...

(Insert exceedingly negative “we lose faster than anyone” comment here)

The sky IS falling.

by Teahenny Penny on Apr 12, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

youdaman

Moose Skowron: "I would be dying to have faced you."
Steve Stone: "First of all, I would look at you and start laughing because you're the smallest moose I've ever seen in my life, and second of all you couldn't hit a curve ball with a canoe paddle, so let's not talk about it."

by RWShow on Apr 12, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whoa.

Just saw Norm MacDonald in a Sox hat on WGN. Mind blown/day brightened. I love that guy.

The sky IS falling.

by Teahenny Penny on Apr 12, 2010 12:49 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

I always liked Norm.

"the worst thing about this team is going to be the manager." - Ozzie Guillen, USA Today Sports Weekly

by e-gus on Apr 12, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

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