BABIP Math
A lot of things are going wrong for the Sox right now, but perhaps the most pressing issue is the team's batting average on balls in play (BABIP). According to Fangraphs, the Sox are getting hits on playable balls 22 percent of the time. League average right now is about .285 and, as mentioned by Erik at PHP, the second worst team is more than 30 points ahead of the Sox. This amounts to roughly 25 hits missing over the last 13 games. And given those missing hits, the Sox would likely be an average offense. That is, even if all you did was turn 25 outs into singles, the Sox would have scored in the neighborhood of 20 more runs. That's a run and a half per game.
Ozzie's guys have an average-ish walk rate and are hitting for power above average, but Sox hitters have buried themselves with a lack of regular ol' hits. Obviously, this is bad luck to some degree. A team simply does not hit for a .220 BABIP all season long. Since 2006, no major league team has hit under .278 on the season. But as it turns out, the Sox have been in the running for worst BABIP quite a lot lately:
2007: .278 (Last)
2008: .281 (29th)
2009: .285 (28th)
Is this just a long string of bad BABIP luck then? Well, we can test it statistically to find out. If we know that approximately 68% of teams will fall within 1 standard deviation of the mean given a random normal distribution, then we know there's only a 32% chance a team will fall outside the standard deviation due to pure chance. So the odds that it happens three times due purely to chance is ~(30/100)^3 or 3%. Odds are good that Kenny has been picking up players that simply do not get a lot of hits on balls in play.
This doesn't mean that the Sox are doomed to be anywhere near .220 all season, of course, but it does mean that they could struggle relative to their opponents and may struggle even more obviously in the early going. When runs are at a relative premium as in the colder April/May portion of the season, hits are fewer and hence more valuable. And even once they get going, they'll still likely have to make up a hit or so every other game via walks or HR. So yeah: the clock's ticking on Mark Kotsay.
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Nice and timely piece
The BABIP as you said is pretty ridiculous even for the White Sox.
I am as most know a ardent Ozzie supporter, BUT it is un PHUCKING defendable having Mark Kotsay batting 3rd. There is simply zero reason behind it.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
Also as I wrote Sat
I still would like to see Teabag second right now. Ideally move Beckham up to 1. And for all things holy move Rios up to 5th. His early line drive rate is 22.5%. More Jones in LF please.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
Bacon, Teahen, Q, PK, Rios, Jones.
I endorse this concept. Oz won’t; too RH-heavy.
Moose Skowron: "I would be dying to have faced you."
Steve Stone: "First of all, I would look at you and start laughing because you're the smallest moose I've ever seen in my life, and second of all you couldn't hit a curve ball with a canoe paddle, so let's not talk about it."
i'd hit Teahen first as in
Teahen, Beckham, AJ, Quentin, Konerko, Rios, Jones, Pierre, Alexei
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
i kinda like that. (as much as one could like a grouping of those 9 guys)
Cashing checks and having sex.
Exactly the phrase I was gonna use, Tdogg.
One other thing…you’d think some of the cheap infield hits would come a little more this year minus the Thomes, Dyes…etc, too. I’m encouraged by the piece. Really nice work
1. Pop ups and weak ground balls.
2. Is cold factored into the equation?
larry. A kind word for everyone.
A team .220 BABIP is bad luck period.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
A comparsion
Baltimore LD% 16/ GB% 45.9 BABIP .265
Houston LD% 16.5/ GB 48.4 BABIP .258
Pirates LD% 17.3/GB 46.6 BABIP .280
Wsox LD% 17.2/GB 47.2% BABIP .220
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
Wow.
I feel better. Really. That really puts it in perspective.
If you added those 20 or so runs colin alluded to....
what would our Pythagorean be…..6-7 or 7-6?
20 missing runs would be 27% of our runs on the season
pythag record would be:
1/(1+(55/73))=.637 W%
Soo…. 8 W, 5 L. Hell, they’re under performing their current pythag of 6-7 now. Its early and this has been a terribly snake bitten team. Gambler’s Fallacy says there should be a huge ‘evening up’ run of wins coming.
Blech, this was a great team and now they have a hole to dig out of.
Yeah....I was lazy and didn't figure it out....
but I actually was thinking more like the 8-5, too.
i'm guessing the run makeup will manifest itself in a few more 11-3 wins and not a run of consistently scoring 6 and winning.
Cashing checks and having sex.
that wouldn't fix the pythag record
although that would fix the BABIP being so far from the mean.
to fix the pythag record, they need to win several close games or lose several blowouts. either one will push their pythag to meet their actual records.
which is what is wrong with the pythag records in the first place
"the worst thing about this team is going to be the manager." - Ozzie Guillen, USA Today Sports Weekly
Snake bitten GM - team is what it is
"ass hole thi is the same line up whit leftys you idiot"
"this was a great team and now they have a hole to dig out of."
Best comment of the day.
larry. A kind word for everyone.
the Sox have been terrible with their pop ups
along with their crap BABIP. and cold is approximately factored in because i used league average as of now, which is like 15 points lower than normal atm.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
Saddening analysis, glooooooommmmyyyyy
This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training
The size of the Cell might play a part in suppressing the BABIP
It plays small so that less FBs have the chance to fall in play opposed to bigger ballparks
by 3E8 on Apr 19, 2010 10:04 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
true, but they've played 7 games on the road, and 6 at home
This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training
And if I'm not mistaken.
in an MLB contest the competing teams play in the same park.
larry. A kind word for everyone.
no way! really?
This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training
That's what I was going to point out
I’m sure there is a small (but not insignificant) effect thanks to the small park. You’ve got to figure that some would-be doubles are HR (which are not included in BABIP) and the relatively small outfield limits doubles, triples and singles in other ways as well.
If I was to guess USCF would have the the lowest (or in the bottom 5) BABIP park factor, while Fenway and Coors had the highest.
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Looks like someone at Tango calculated it
http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/comments/fangraphs_park_factors_for_pitchers/#3
You are right. Fenway and Coors are 1 and 2 respectively. USCF is 3rd lowest. Petco is by far the lowest, which I don’t understand
based on the math that Tango shows
that leads to an effect basically equal to dropping from 20% LDs to 18%, which i said was worth the difference between .300 BABIP and .290.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
Math question
If the Sox are ending up on the same side of the distribution all three seasons, then the odds are cut in half, correct? There is roughly a 16% chance of ending up on one side of a normal distribution.
by Off the bus running on Apr 19, 2010 11:17 AM CDT reply actions
sounds right to me
if we were really trying to do an exact p-value, we’d narrow it down farther since the Sox couldn’t actually make it outside the bottom three.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
Line drive rates?
The Sox line drive rate was 19-20% in 2005, 2006, and 2008.
It was 17% in 2007, ’09, and ’10.
That two percent should have a big impact on BABIP, would it not?
Do you know AL average rates for 2005 on.
larry. A kind word for everyone.
well, there are issues with scoring batted balls correctly.
but let’s assume that everything is kosher with those stats. given 5500 AB, 1100 K and 160 HR and batted ball rates resulting in non-HR hits around something like:
non-HR FB – 15%
non-HR LD – 73%
non-HR GB – 24%
those numbers yield 4240 batted balls. if you trade 2% of batted balls that are normally landing for a hit 73% of the time for something that’s a hit 20% of the time, that’s a difference of ~40 hits per season, or the difference between a .300 and .290 BABIP for a team season. so it really doesn’t explain that much, since the Sox’ BABIP problems have been twice times that. of course, just because they are definitely bad doesn’t mean they are .280 bad. it’s probably more like .285. so maybe that plus the fact that the Cell suppresses BABIP is the difference maker.
but i would caution that, for example, 2008’s BABIP still sucked regardless of line drive percentage. but also, a lot of the research done regarding line drive percentage says that they’re fairly randomly distributed. the best hitters hit the ball hard, period and vice versa. that leads to less or more defensible batted balls based on the batter regardless of the categorization of the batted ball. and, like i said, there’s a pretty decent amount of error in the batted ball data. Colin Wyers had an article in BPro that was a little hyperbolic seeming but still had plenty of good data about the problem.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
just to add, before you think the line drives thing is a really big deal:
if line drives are fairly random, then what we should expect to see is simply hitters who don’t hit the ball that hard. 2006 was our last really good offense and, surprise, they didn’t have BABIP issues. i think it really is that simple, frankly. get good players and the rest sorts itself out.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
This is...
exactly why I come to SSS. This is great, Colin. Very interesting (and yes, read that last part in the Arte Johnson character voice).
Why did we get rid of Podsednik?
His BABIP is .512, he’s got 7 steals and 0 CS.
I’m pretty sure he has’t been hit in the head out in left either.
larry. A kind word for everyone.
yeah he'll keep that up.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
Could be an outlier year for him.
They happen.
larry. A kind word for everyone.
it doesn't make a ton of sense to bet on them however.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
Depends on the odds.
larry. A kind word for everyone.
You have but one face that is caved-in.
I am more prone to be inquisitive to promote discussion.
by winningugly on Apr 19, 2010 2:29 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Nine lives, but you're right
only one face that is caved-in.
larry. A kind word for everyone.
you only get 8 position players and a DH
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
it doesn't make a ton of sense to bet on them
but when the sox are betting on 3? 4? of them already, one of them might as well have been pods.
might as well have been any of the free agents on the market
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
its more in line with what the sox usually do than what the sox did.
i wouldn’t have brought pods back either, but I would also have not brought pierre and kotsay.
to clarify:
they were thinking the right thing by not picking up pods. where was that thinking with the other signings? we’d be better off if they were stupid all around.
Think about the grindy we lost....
"You must be 'this' tall to ride the diastema." -Hazy
by homesickalien on Apr 20, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions
lineup shuffle
I would start by flipping Rios and Quentin in the order from 3-7. Rios is actually having some good at bats while Q has been grounding into double plays on the first pitch consistently. Maybe dropping him down to the 7-slot will take some pressure of and he can get hot like 2008.
by Wayne Nordhagen on Apr 19, 2010 12:06 PM CDT reply actions
Quentin is always expected to be the best hitter on the Sox
unless it’s known he’s hurting. Never move him if he’s healthy.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
Hmm interesting. Worst 4-9 Sox Team
White or Red?
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
At least boston has faced good teams here in the early going.
by Akronsoxfan on Apr 19, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
You trying to say Clev is not good????????
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
We get to face wusses like Tampa Bay next.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
Great observation.
larry. A kind word for everyone.
Looks like Owen Wilson
Too bad he didn’t try to kill himself.
by Gentleman Jim on Apr 19, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Stone Pony and the Swingers
would be a great band name.
"the worst thing about this team is going to be the manager." - Ozzie Guillen, USA Today Sports Weekly
It's pretty rare that Hawk manages to be in a photo with someone more daft than himself.
Moose Skowron: "I would be dying to have faced you."
Steve Stone: "First of all, I would look at you and start laughing because you're the smallest moose I've ever seen in my life, and second of all you couldn't hit a curve ball with a canoe paddle, so let's not talk about it."
White Sox Baseball: Hilarity Ensues
HI I HAVE BEEN DRINKING BEVERAGES
by billyok on Mar 13, 2010 5:22 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
by omnipotent grab on Apr 19, 2010 1:36 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
You people and your computers.
Pete Rose doesn’t care for any of this.
i don't fuck corned beef.
which is why i don’t eat at subway. by larry on Mar 17
by South Side Expat on Apr 19, 2010 12:43 PM CDT reply actions
Bet you're wrong.
"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos
by Chiburb on Apr 19, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If I were dating this,
http://kianakim.com/index2.html (NSFW)
I wouldn’t have to concern myself with all these stats either
Is she on the LPGA tour?
larry. A kind word for everyone.
i just want to win 5 games in a row
scoring 15 runs and allowing 3 or less.
thats not asking too much is it?
Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok
I love it.
Day 1 (after a series of debacles) – Ban on the term “this year”
Day 2 (after yet another dabacle) – link to "Understanding Small Sample Sizes, or Evaluating Talent in April
Day 3 (after latest dabacle) – Colin’s fine analysis on “BABIP Math”
Spin it, Vanna. What’s the title of tomorrow’’s thread.
larry. A kind word for everyone.
First question
1) Fangraphs. It ____.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
by colintj on Apr 19, 2010 1:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Your office does not permit the viewing of history?
Fer Chrissakes, you and I must work for similar Chinese companies.
I am more prone to be inquisitive to promote discussion.
i didn't realize john mccain executed vietnamese.
by larry on Apr 19, 2010 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, now that I have a full view,
that is interesting.
I am more prone to be inquisitive to promote discussion.
It's not spin.
It’s math. Why is it a crime to understand why some things are happening?
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
be careful...

This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training
Tdogg.
Take your index finger and your thumb and pinch the skin on your forearm. Just a hunch, I’ll bet the skin there is very thin.
larry. A kind word for everyone.
i'm really get sick of these racist attacks on tdogg. the attributes of tdogg's skin is not relevant.
attacks?
Had to search the weekend because I wasnt around much. So now I’m a midget????
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
can midgets be skinny?
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
I went to SSS and a philosophy 101 class broke out...
"the worst thing about this team is going to be the manager." - Ozzie Guillen, USA Today Sports Weekly
They can do anything.
Like retards.
Moose Skowron: "I would be dying to have faced you."
Steve Stone: "First of all, I would look at you and start laughing because you're the smallest moose I've ever seen in my life, and second of all you couldn't hit a curve ball with a canoe paddle, so let's not talk about it."
Yep that's it. Yeah I have thin skin.
Clearly this is an attack on me. I think its more like a lack of tolerance for extreme silliness.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
they're hitting .220
what do you want from me?
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
just let it out, colin.
you know a thinly veiled racist screed against ozzie, kenny and jerry is what you want to post. sure, you cover it up with this faux advanced analysis. but suppressing this only leads to an even greater yearning to call out that cunning jew and his mongrel-henchmen.
by larry on Apr 19, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
this.
And can you imagine how it sucks to be Chris Ronge these days?
"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos
I was coming home from golfing in Lake Geneva listening to the postgame
and he spent 10 – 12 minutes explaining why it’s not good to be behind in the standings early in the season.
larry. A kind word for everyone.
his name is Rongey
and he is dating Ginger Zee dammit.
I had the closed captioning turned off in the car.
"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos
Lucky you.
Rental for me.
larry. A kind word for everyone.
Is that true?
As if I didn’t hate him enough already.
Moose Skowron: "I would be dying to have faced you."
Steve Stone: "First of all, I would look at you and start laughing because you're the smallest moose I've ever seen in my life, and second of all you couldn't hit a curve ball with a canoe paddle, so let's not talk about it."
That's usually a recipe for success!
Moose Skowron: "I would be dying to have faced you."
Steve Stone: "First of all, I would look at you and start laughing because you're the smallest moose I've ever seen in my life, and second of all you couldn't hit a curve ball with a canoe paddle, so let's not talk about it."
Day 4
“ballyb makes unironic remarks about H-E-A-R-T”
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 19, 2010 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm recusing myself from the selection process. I'm a party to the suit.
larry. A kind word for everyone.
a mind is a terrible thing
What a waste of a beautiful pitching staff
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by ChicagoPete on Apr 19, 2010 1:21 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
actually the starters have crapped the bed so far.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
by colintj on Apr 19, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
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by ChicagoPete on Apr 19, 2010 2:33 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
reply fail
They’ve had 8 starts good nuff to win plus outstanding pen work. Crapping the bed is something I’d reserve for describing the offensive offense.
No animals were harmed during the making of this comment.
by ChicagoPete on Apr 19, 2010 2:36 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
like i said yesterday
their FIP without HR is ugly. 6th worst in MLB. the bullpen has been lights out and that’s about it so far.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
V, VG, Pete.
larry. A kind word for everyone.
Went to Levine Childrens Hospital today to see those awesome kids. Thankful none of the kids asked for me to hit a homerun for them tonight.
its a hospital
not an insane asylum.
by Hatchetm on Apr 19, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
Ryan Sweeney
Ive been watching mlb.tv and this guy is a great athlete, he wouldve definitely been the white sox future CF. I remember the scouting reports in the minors labeled him as a 4th OF, bad defensive player. But he’s definitely exceeded expectiations into an elite defender + .300 hitter. No clue how much power he’ll develop. But pretty solid player overall. If only KW was more patient with him.
by MagicMike23 on Apr 19, 2010 1:49 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
and by "him"
i assume you mean nick swisher.
by larry on Apr 19, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh don't get me started on that one (Swish to the Yanks).....
Sweeney was labeled a bad defensive OF?
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
haven't heard that
i remember reading some scouting reports that said he may not be able to stick in center, but generally i think the book on him was decent/good defender, will the power ever come around
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
The Peavy Problem
A little overkill for 3 starts but still interesting.
Currently, one reason behind Peavy’s lack of punchouts is he just can’t seal the deal. A full 33% of all hitters have fallen behind the count 0-2 against Peavy in his three starts this year. That is truly an outstanding rate, given that among starters in the AL, only Dallas Braden has jumped ahead 0-2 more often than Peavy. (Braden is at a whopping 41%.) Obviously, jumping ahead in the count so often should give Peavy and Braden a huge advantage. While hitters are predictably struggling against Braden when they are facing an 0-2 deficit, batting a meager .083/.120/.083, Peavy is having no such success. Batters are pounding Peavy to the tune of .294/.368/.353 when falling behind 0-2. Yikes. By comparison, last year Peavy jumped ahead 0-2 a full 31% of the time (again, an outstanding rate) but limited hitters to a line of .104/.131/.156 when jumping ahead by that count.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
in addition to the fastball speed stuff
I see that his slider % 14.6 is much less than usual. Assuming a slider is something a batter is a little more likely to miss on anyone have a clue why he’s throwing more curveballs and changeups?
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
eyes test says he is nibbling after he gets ahead, regardless of pitch selection.
"the worst thing about this team is going to be the manager." - Ozzie Guillen, USA Today Sports Weekly
more bad luck?
we sure don’t need any more of that
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
Good work, Ginger.
To another topic, the Mouse unveils 7.5 ft. statues that will be placed in SoCal “key” areas for the ASG in Anaheim in July. Go to MLB.com for the fantastic pic. 36 versions.
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by winningugly on Apr 19, 2010 2:35 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
ugh.....
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
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