This Week in White Sox Minor League Baseball
This week:
- Superficially, when one looks at his .288/.377/.525 line, one thinks Jordan Danks is on the fast track to the big leagues. Add in his defensive reputation at a premium position and one might think he's a blue chip prospect. But there's one massive red flag and it isn't anything new for readers of this space. Jordan Danks strikes out. A lot. His MiLB career rate is about 27% and his 30.5% rate this season at Charlotte is right in line. It's difficult to find precedent for a player with his number of strikeouts and with his skill set that was successful in the majors. The fact that he does have some good non-hitting skills - defense and speed - gives him a better chance. But it's unlikely that he'll ever be an overall average player if he can't get his K-rate below 25%.
- Now that I've depressed you, how about some good news? 2009 second round pick Trayce Thompson recently came out of extended spring training to join the Intimidators and has looked like a whole new player from the one we saw struggle in rookie ball, putting up a .345/.424/.759 triple slash in 33 PA. Kevin Goldstein observes: "the quickness of adjustments has been nothing short of astounding, as he’s shown up this year with a much better idea at the plate and a significantly shorter and smoother swing. With home runs in two of his last three games, the changes are paying immediate dividends, and Thompson has big time explosive potential." While I was bullish on him, I didn't expect the raw 19 year old to break out this season. Here's an audio interview with him.
- Tyler Flowers: .310/.431/.595.
- So let's get back to depressing. Dayan Viciedo simply doesn't have a clue. Due to the White Sox inexplicably promoting him to Charlotte, the optimists can still cite age for league in his defense. However, for a guy whose primary issue is laying off the breaking ball, going to AAA - where he sees even more and better breaking balls - without first mastering AA probably isn't going to help. And since he's now at 1B, he really needs to consider hitting for some semblance of power. His line is .218/.234/.309 so far this season and that brings his career MiLB OPS below .700. That barely works for a slick-fielding shortstop.
- C.J. Retherford: .255/.333/.431.
- Last week's poll was about rebound candidates. John Shelby led the poll with 40% of the vote. Shelby has had a very good start to the season hitting-wise in his return spell with the Barons. However, he has only taken a single walk in 58 plate appearances, resulting in a .316/.317/.509 line. While his offensive numbers were down last season, in no small part thanks to some bad BABIP luck, he did increase his walk rate, which provided a glimmer of hope. The failure to capitalize on that progress is worrying. The next-highest-vote-getter-who-is-currently-playing was Jon Gilmore. Gilmore has been hitting well (.375/.400/.469), too, but the power one expects from a 3B is still lacking, producing just 4 doubles, 1 triple and no homers in 64 AB for the Dash. Unlike the 24 year old Shelby, Gilmore, at 21, still has age on his side.
- Daniel Hudson: 3 GS, 15.1 IP, 17 H, 7 BB, 16 K.
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nice write-up larry
don’t take any offense (i could go back to your previous updates), but does trayce thomson have a similar defensive skillset as jordan danks?
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Apr 24, 2010 7:19 AM CDT reply actions
it's tough to project a 19 year old defensively.
in large measure because they’re still developing physically. he’s got nice tools, of course, but many think he’ll end up at a corner.
Thanks for this, and a quick question re Danks:
Mike Cameron?
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by Chiburb on Apr 24, 2010 7:21 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
We can hope.
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by The Big Hurt on Apr 24, 2010 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions
i checked his minor league stats
K rate is in the same league, but mike cameron at least reduced the K rate from his 1st stint to 2nd stint in AA to AAA…jordan danks doesn’t show sign of improvement…
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Apr 24, 2010 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions
it's nice to know someone reads the update.
i made that comp but don’t really like it. cameron was (obviously is) simply a better player.
So why is DV in AAA?
What the hell are Buddy and Kenny doing putting him there, when like you said, he should be at best in AA learning a new position and trying to figure out his bat.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
On that conference call last month
He said that some players show what’s needed physically to deserve a demotion, even if the numbers are there.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Apr 24, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
(He being Buddy)
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
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by Sox Machine on Apr 24, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
if he could let us know what exactly he saw physically, that would be interesting.
of course what he says is true. scouting reports matter. duh. the problem is, i haven’t heard a single person outside the organization say anything positive about him, his performance at birmingham, his performance in spring training or his performance in charlotte.
The short of it (because I know my audience)
His “problem” — the he was willing to disclose to me/us, at least — is excitability. He has the tools to not have to cheat/jump out at offspeed stuff. If he operated at 75 percent, he’d be a better hitter.
I still don’t see how tougher pitching is going to suppress those tendencies, but that’s all I got.
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by Sox Machine on Apr 24, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
are we certain that he knows you're allowed not to swing?
forget jumping at the offspeed stuff, how about just taking it once in a while. he doesn’t seem to care what’s being thrown.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Apr 24, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Indeed.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
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by Sox Machine on Apr 24, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
The White Sox have fucked this Dayan
thing up from the beginning. Good stuff Larry. As far as Danks I think we would all agree to even take a poor man’s Cameron. Trayce yum…
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No word on De Aza?
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
lol
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by billyok on Mar 13, 2010 5:22 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
by omnipotent grab on Apr 24, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh... my dear lord... that's not going to work for me.
"I am fat because I am lazy and drink too much." - South Side Expat
I voted for Omogrosso
Though I don’t know why, because he’s clearly no good. I think I just like saying his name.
by Shoeless In SC on Apr 24, 2010 11:15 AM CDT reply actions
Thanks for posting this weekly, Larry. It helps muchly.
How’s their D-E-F-E-N-S-E?
H-E-A-R-T?
B-A-B-I-P?
larry. A kind word for everyone.
I know it's early...
If the hitting struggles continue do we see Flowers in May or June? I know he played a month in the majors last year, how does this affect his arbitration eligibility? When do you (larry) or anyone else thinks he gets called up?
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 24, 2010 9:56 PM CDT reply actions
because of his september service time
there could be a concern about super two status. i wouldn’t expect to see him before june.
Similar to when Teh Twinn held Liriano in minors Hell, I'd bet.
I am more prone to be inquisitive to promote discussion.
So why was he not promoted before June/July?
I thought it was because they’d have to pay him more if he was on the ML roster/service time issue.
I am more prone to be inquisitive to promote discussion.
oh. i see.
liriano was a bit of a different situation since he already had 1+ years of service. i guess it comes out the same way.
I just remember Twinn fans up in arms
because he as not brought up sooner and carping about the money.
I am more prone to be inquisitive to promote discussion.
maybe they were doing that. not like the twins and every other team don't have a history of it.
but liriano sucked. he started the season in the majors and was demoted for sucking. and he continued to suck in the minors for awhile.
"And as Pat and Edzo pointed out between event plugs........."
There was one sequence of action where Foley was talking about the trade that sent JP Dumont away from the Hawks. Kane took a shot from the slot that was high, barely missing the crossbar, but the puck bounced off the glass and lay right in front of the net. A mad scramble ensued.
Foley continued with the trade talk, NEVER mentioning the action on the ice. IMO, Weideman and Murry are much better, but being on radio they have to be.
larry. A kind word for everyone.

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