White Sox Chill High Expectations With Familiarly Feeble Offense
by The Cheat on Apr 7, 2010 11:21 PM CDT
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PrintA few months ago, I met up with a group of old friends from high school. Some were married, had kids, a mortgage while others, cough, were living in their parents' basement and still stuck in college. We all carried around these new, updated identities and yet within the span of one beer we all seemed to lose our current identities and fall back into the roles we played in high school. It didn't matter what image we presented to the rest of the world, as soon as we got back together those facades were shown for exactly what they were, a front.
So here are the White Sox, repackaged as a sleeker, speedier team, more adept at creating runs and avoiding the mind-numbing offensive attack that plated zero or one run in 30 games last season. But it's April, sack-shrinkingly cold, which means the Sox bats, even these rebranded high-octane models, retreat back to the dugout with remarkable regularity. Same old Sox.
2 hits, that's all the Sox bats could muster; an infield single by the fleet-footed A.J. Pierzynski and a 2-run HR off the bat of Paul Konerko.
Were it not for the Sox complete inability to put the ball in play with authority -- actually, Alex Rios continued to hit the ball well even if he has only the one hit to show for it -- the story of the night would be the contrasting adjustments of the two starting pitchers, neither of whom was sharp in the early going. The Sox scratched across a run in the first inning without the aid of hit thanks to Fausto Carmona's wildness. Carmona lacked command, the ability to throw strikes with any regularity, but he kept the ball down (for the most part) and let his sinker work for him. Peavy looked rusty in the first two innings, but managed to escape with a bunch of lazy fly balls and nary a punchout. He lacked control, he could throw strikes, but they were low-quality strikes. And when he tried to paint with a fastball, he mostly just missed.
Peavy kept going at it, hoping his stuff could continue to get him by. And it did save him from a truly ugly outing by wringing up 5 Indians over the last 3 innings. Unfortunately, the lack of control also resulted in a couple of inning-extending walks and a key hit by pitch that would have made Carlos Quentin blush. Peavy was just throwing too many pitches with too many men on base.
Carmona, meanwhile, was still walking guys, but he kept the ball down and out of trouble and eventually found his slider. In the event that the Sox did get a man on base, Carmona's sinker combined with the Sox bats for rally-killing double plays.
Add in some shaky bullpen work from Bobby Jenks and, more expectedly, Tony Pena and basically all of the good vibes from opening day have been washed away by cold, and rain, and Hey, I've Seen This All Before. It's gonna be really cold tomorrow night... It could be a long, cold spring.
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Poop.
HI I HAVE BEEN DRINKING BEVERAGES
by billyok on Mar 13, 2010 5:22 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
by omnipotent grab on Apr 7, 2010 11:32 PM CDT reply actions
good recap Cheat
Peavy was throwing too many pitches with too many men on base. He had good “stuff” but his inability throw enough strikes and get ground balls did him in. Really puts in perspective how fine a line MB walks every start. Hell, Peavy had good stuff, was only slightly wild, and gave up 3 runs and was already at 100 pitches by the 5th.
The narrative that this is a team with good pitching, solid defense and a shit lineup will continue as long as nights like this continue to happen.
My initial observation
is that Peavy needs to just attack the zone more. The guy has sick stuff, stop trying to paint corners all the time. Go for your out pitch on 0-2 or 1-2, don’t throw sliders in the dirt on 1-0 counts. God forbid the opposing team should hit more than 4 ground balls to our infielders. That being said, I don’t know if that is a one night thing or an all the time thing. Praying for the former.
"Fundamentals are a crutch for the talentless" - Kenny Powers
by Choke Cubs Choke on Apr 8, 2010 12:45 AM CDT reply actions
disagree
i loved that he kept trying to make his pitch and made sure to miss off the plate. he wants to throw the right pitch in the right spot and often enough does.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
agreed
it looked like he just wasnt getting the call when he was throwing just outside to the lefties. then later in the game he started puttin em at a quickly 0 and 2 / 1 and 2 with those same pitches.
ill stick with the “it was cold” excuse for this loss
Look I just want to pass my last Microsoft exam and sleep with white women.
by Tdogg on Mar 10, 2010 11:29 PM CST
by Grinder Rule #42 on Apr 8, 2010 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions
I thought Peavy pitched fairly well, but they had some BABIB luck in the 3 run inning
that and the nibbling around the plate just led to too many deep counts, but credit the Indians, they weren’t getting themselves out too often on pitches outside the zone.
Offense has to be better against a wild Fausto, this loss is on the offense.
by madvillian on Apr 8, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I didnt know Kotsay
went 1 for 22.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
what's kotsay have to do with it? kotsaydh is a verb describing what the offense did last night.
however, the fact that you associate that sort of behavior with mark kotsay makes me wonder if maybe he sucks.
by Trooper on Apr 8, 2010 7:36 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
"What's Kotsay Got To Do With It"
(With apologies to Tina Turner)
You must understand
That a bat in your hand
Makes my pulse react
That it’s only the thrill
Of bat missing ball
Ozzieball will attract
It’s physical
Only logical
You must try to ignore
That it means more than that
[Chorus]
Oh whats Kotsay got to do, got to do with it
What’s OPS but a second hand statistic
What’s Kotsay got to do, got to do with it
Who needs a DH
When a platoon can be broken
It may seem to you
That I’m acting confused
When you’re in the box
If i tend to look dazed
I’ve read it someplace
I’ve got cause to be
There’s a name for it
There’s a phrase that fits
But whatever the reason
You do it for Ozzie
[Chorus]
I’ve been taking on a new direction
But i have to say
I’ve been thinking about your production
It scares me to feel this way
What’s Kotsay got to do, got to do with it
What’s Kotsay but a sweet old fashioned notion
What’s Kotsay got to do, got to do with it
Who needs a DH when a platoon can be broken
i don't fuck corned beef.
which is why i don’t eat at subway. by larry on Mar 17
by South Side Expat on Apr 8, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Too many words.
;-)
"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos
larry.
i don't fuck corned beef.
which is why i don’t eat at subway. by larry on Mar 17
by South Side Expat on Apr 8, 2010 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
2 games, 9 runs, 8 hits.
I prefer to think of it as “efficient”. If Peavy does his job we win the game. Carmona has given us fits in the past (though we did let him off the hook). Che is a proxy for this team – when May heats up, so will the hitting. We’ll average 8 hits/game!
"Enough is enough. This has to change. This was not supposed to happen five or 10 years ago, it is supposed to happen now. Today is my day, this is my time, and this is my moment."
by winningugly on Apr 8, 2010 6:05 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Well in all fairness there
There team BABIP is .109 lol. Time for my guy to get his chance free Jones!
It was hard to tell from the bleachers was Peavy that wild or was he getting squeezed a little?
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
squeezed
Look I just want to pass my last Microsoft exam and sleep with white women.
by Tdogg on Mar 10, 2010 11:29 PM CST
by Grinder Rule #42 on Apr 8, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
In fairness
It seemed to just be a small/weird zone for everybody.
White Sox fan; Jeppson's Malort man
by KarkoviceIsHawt on Apr 8, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
"There team BABIP is .109 lol."
Very interesting.
larry. A kind word for everyone.
We got 1-hit by a pitcher with 6+ ERA last year. Who also walked a guy an inning. I'm going to go with offense being the problem last night.
And I am prepared to to repeat this 80-90 more times this year.
by The Actual El Guapo on Apr 8, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Last year =/= this year.
If it did, Peavy would be on the DL. Not to say we won’t struggle at the plate – mightily – but it was on Peavy. Yoy get a 3 run lead on a team MB shut out 2 days earlier – in perfect weather – you hold the lead. Fer Chrissakes.
"Enough is enough. This has to change. This was not supposed to happen five or 10 years ago, it is supposed to happen now. Today is my day, this is my time, and this is my moment."
A frustrating game to watch
It was next to impossible to watch that game and not make comparisons to last year. You’re absolutely right, Cheat – same old offensive ineptitude, same old 2nd-half Jenks and Pena. However, I’m not in total panic mode – yet. There were enough positive things on Monday to make me hopeful it will be possible to have more games like that than games like last night.
Observations from the game
It was really freaking cold. I know that’s not an excuse, but the weather blew hard. Especially when compared to Monday.
From my vantage point, it looked like Peavy was trying to establish the inside corner, and just wasn’t getting the calls. The upshot? They weren’t hitting him hard. Only one went for extra bases.
Pierre stole two bases and scored on a sac fly, so he gets a gold star in Ozzie’s book. Kotsay will probably play himself back to the bench. We’ll probably see Jones by the end of the week.
I also met Mr. Sox Machine himself. Or at least I think I did. It might have been a dream.
How much change did you give him?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Apr 8, 2010 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions
And you were invited.
Pffft. I guess the ones in the Tower must be better.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Apr 8, 2010 12:59 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
FSM.
My book is not autographed.
"Enough is enough. This has to change. This was not supposed to happen five or 10 years ago, it is supposed to happen now. Today is my day, this is my time, and this is my moment."
Beckham also hit at least one rope right to a guy
along with Rios.
I think they were mostly unlucky last night. It’s not like Peavy got pounded — a lot of bloops and fisted hits that found holes.
fisted hits that found holes
hee
"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos
Kind of a risky way to find 'dates'... have you tried posting on CL instead?
Just a Rip-off of the Actual El Guapo, but a fake not funny one.
by DrEmilioLizardo on Apr 8, 2010 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Hey! I resemble that remark!
"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos
My observations from section 116:
- Pierre really has no arm in left. Wow.
- Chuck Garfien looks like a pretty nice guy.
- I yelled Raaannnndddyyyy when he came in and got some weird looks from people around me.
- Pierre, Teahen, Kotsay all looked awful at the plate, in my opinion.
- Rios continues to hit the ball hard.
- Peavy looked good in warmups, didn’t seem to carry over to the game.
- It was cold as balls.
- I was thinking about Brandon Allen while watching Tony Pena’s very blah effort
- Dis dis dis like bringing Jenks in in non-save situations. FNSS
- What was the attendance? Place looked barely half-full
I absolutely like bringing in
pitchers like Thornton and Jenks in non save situations like that. Its exactly what you want your manager to do and proves in the long run to benefit teams. Its one of the areas that Ozzie actually gets it vs so many others.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
Agreed
Use Jenks in high leverage situations regardless of whether he will be awarded an arbitrarily defined stat like saves.
3 run lead with the bases empty in the 9th is higher leverage than tied or down one run in 9th?
I don’t think so. Giving up 2 runs in the first scenario has no impact while it has a dramitc impact in the second set of scenarios.
your opinion is wrong
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
Im sorry Im meant to say "very" wrong
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
eh
i was doing some digging on it and couldn’t find any conclusive statistical studies pointing either way. one post on BP i think highlighted worse splits in non-save compared to save, citing OPS against and ERA for several closers. i know, i know, small sample size, and I’d be curious to see if anyone has taken an exhaustive look at this question, if its even possible. i don’t accept it’s “very wrong” unless i could see some proof of it being “very wrong.”
if anyone has knowledge of such a study i’d be very interested!
Bill James has written about this many times.
Do you have any copy of Baseball Abstract? Holding a run deficit in place and tie games are the two of the most critical situations to use valuable relievers currently “not” done on a regular basis. Its something Ozzie embraced awhile ago.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
by Tdogg on Apr 8, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
this seems fairly intuitive
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
That along with getting your best reliever in earlier
like when the team is actually in trouble. Mariano and Jonathan 8th inning style.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
Maddon brought his closer in opening night for Tampa.
Held the Orioles to a 1-run deficit in the top of the 9th. Crawford wins the game in the bottom of the 9th. Baseball Tonight guys all agree that Maddon is “a genius”. Look it up.
"Enough is enough. This has to change. This was not supposed to happen five or 10 years ago, it is supposed to happen now. Today is my day, this is my time, and this is my moment."
I was surprised how empty it was
I know it was cold and rained before … but still, figured the first night game will be packed.
Lupe, release the balloons!
American crowds not used to cold nights like Eastern European fan.
American fan puss/gay. Eastern Eurpoean fan not puss/gay. Strong/straight.
"Enough is enough. This has to change. This was not supposed to happen five or 10 years ago, it is supposed to happen now. Today is my day, this is my time, and this is my moment."
Too early for "he needs work"
I’ve seen too many Jenks appearances over the last couple years in non-save stituations and I have no stats to back this up, but I can pretty confidently say he has FUCKING SUCKED in those situations. He didn’t cost us the game last night because there was no way in hell the Sox were going to string hits together, but Ozzie just needs to stop it. If Jenks hasn’t worked in a week, fine, but it’s the second game of the season fer chrissakes.
Thorton is a different story.
"I'm going to let my numbers speak for themselves."
let me help you out
a)never say I have no stats to back this up but…. (just stop right there)
b)don’t follow up I have no stats with “I can confidently say he has fucking sucked”
c)especially when said pitcher has never really sucked
d)he was in the game not for work, but because it was a high leverage situation
e)don’t have a signature of “i’m going to let the numbers speak for themselves” if that’s not really what you going to do.
PS. Jenks career numbers
high leverage .239/.303/.328 for a .631 ops
med leverage .230/.308/.388 for a .696 ops
low leverage (the one you hate) .223/.280/.336 .616 ops
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
He did not pitch much in spring.
Calf injury. Why not get him a bit of work in a NSS? This is not so controversial.
"Enough is enough. This has to change. This was not supposed to happen five or 10 years ago, it is supposed to happen now. Today is my day, this is my time, and this is my moment."
I apologize if you've seen this but I had not (funny)
Ozzie on mad.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
...
http://www.southsidesox.com/2008/9/23/620693/ozzie-guillen-mad-tv-sketc
:(
Cashing checks and having sex.
he did apologize preemptively
Look I just want to pass my last Microsoft exam and sleep with white women.
by Tdogg on Mar 10, 2010 11:29 PM CST
by Grinder Rule #42 on Apr 8, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
what's a couple years late?
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
Cowley's recap: http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/2147288,CST-SPT-sox08.article
’’We’ve said it before — there might be a little lack of power, but there are a lot of guys up and down this lineup that can get a lot of hits,‘’ he said. ’’It was a common linescore last year; we had a lot of tough times with our offense and couldn’t get it going. We have some pretty good players up and down the lineup. Early on here, you just have to take what you can get.’’ – PK
Mercy.
Same old Jenks
Sorry I don’t care what his statistics say, but every time he’s out there it scares the living crap out me. Walks guys on 4 pitches, doesn’t hold runners – I vote him off the island.
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
Does Jones get his first start tonight?
Or is this platoon strictly righty / lefty, regardless how long we go between seeing a left handed starter? (Which I guess would be Saturday w/ Liriano on the mound).
It’s not like Jones has horrible splits against righties, he’s done better then Kotsay has against them in his career.
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on Apr 8, 2010 9:37 AM CDT reply actions
Stubborn?
I guess I can see an argument against bringing in a guy off the bench in that weather, might be hard to get warmed up, but Kotsay was just sitting around as the DH, so I don’t even know if that’s reasonable.
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on Apr 8, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions
no doubt
Look I just want to pass my last Microsoft exam and sleep with white women.
by Tdogg on Mar 10, 2010 11:29 PM CST
by Grinder Rule #42 on Apr 8, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Your game recaps are the best, Cheat.
Informative, succinct, covering all important points.
larry. A kind word for everyone.
I meant as opposed to Al Yellon's at BCB.
Here’s the main point of his recap of last night’s loss.
Stop panicking, right now.
larry. A kind word for everyone.
They should panic.
"Enough is enough. This has to change. This was not supposed to happen five or 10 years ago, it is supposed to happen now. Today is my day, this is my time, and this is my moment."
Shorter Cheat: Sox offense sucks again.
"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos
Cold weather is a crap excuse
It’s not like the Indians were out there playing in Parkas, yet they kept getting hits. I really hate that every April, we get to sit through Walker or Konerko explaining hits come with warm weather. Peavy was off last night, but not that bad. The offense was atrocious. Take the heaters out of the dugout and tell the team if they want to be warm, they should sprint around the bases after getiing a hit.
"Quantify my balls."
- KenWo
"Cold weather is a crap excuse"
Get used to it.
larry. A kind word for everyone.
Alexi
Ramirez is absolutely useless in the cold – he should have a little space heater in the dugout and a poster of a Havana beach so he can psyche himself up to hit baseballs while it’s 40 degrees. Man the fuck up.
"I'm going to let my numbers speak for themselves."
yep clearly 2 games in
is the time to be drawing comparsions. Here’s one. The team has drawn 12 walks in 2 games.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
Two games is what I have to work with and last night was painful to watch
Besides, it has been many years, not just two games that the Sox blame offensive ineptitude on the cold air. Considering the postseason is in October, you’d think they would figure something out by now.
"Quantify my balls."
- KenWo
considering the Sox haven't had offensive ineptitude for many years
what’s the point? They struck out twice and arguably had more hard hit balls then Cleveland. That’s the game.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
meaning the team has indeed heated up in the past in warmer weather
something a home run team would do. 2 games in is not enough to make a judgement on anything.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
2 more and you'll equal the number of those games...
"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos
In the WS, not in the month.
"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos
Agreed, but
we’re sensitive to signs of poor offense understandably
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.
by NorthSidePaulie on Apr 8, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
well the tribe
was playing in a different climate. it was variably warmer in their dugout.
Look I just want to pass my last Microsoft exam and sleep with white women.
by Tdogg on Mar 10, 2010 11:29 PM CST
by Grinder Rule #42 on Apr 8, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
It will be interesting to see if Ozzie makes full use of the better team speed.
Hindsight is 20/20, but in the 4th inning with Rios at 1B and AJ up, it would have been a good time to hit-and-run.
I'm lovin' MLB.com Pulse
Very innovative way to add interest to their game re-caps. Not as cool as Cheat, but still cool stuff!
by Quickly 0 and 2 on Apr 8, 2010 10:43 AM CDT reply actions
Your Dead Horse DH update
St. James Thome: 5 ABs .000/.000/.000
Kotsaydh: 7 AB’s .000/.286/.000
Chunk Style: 1 AB: .000/.000/.000
Not to forget
Damon 10 ABs .200/.200/.300
by Off the bus running on Apr 8, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Putting Kotsay behind a hot Kong is just a travesty.
Hopefully we see Jones today, and in the 7th hole…
Rios is seeing the ball well, I’d move him to 5th for now.
Yeah its time to move Rios up.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
Considering what happened last year
I’d rather just leave him where he’s at and plug in Jones in the 5 hole. If that also fails, then you can move Rios up but for now, I’d like to leave Rios alone as much as possible.
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on Apr 8, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
it's Karl
so even better acronym-wise
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.
by NorthSidePaulie on Apr 8, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
have we decided not to go with "crap taco" anymore ?
"I wonder how cavalier your attitude'll be when a pig is gnawing through your vitals." - Farnum
by gar ridge pride on Apr 8, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
as much as i enjoyed people running with it
Mandruw Kajones is much better.
"A brief but trenchant analysis of Scott Podsednik
He’s dogshit."
by NYRoyal on Jan 8, 2010 8:56 AM PST
is the j in kajones a soft j?
bird law in this country is not ruled by reason
by soxshenanigans on Apr 8, 2010 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions
This doesn't bode well:
Justin Masterson has the most potential out of anyone in the rotation. His minor league numbers haven’t translated into big league success quite yet, but with time this should change. He has a low to mid-90s fastball and a biting mid-80s slider. He’ll probably lead the team in strikeouts.
http://www.southsidesox.com/2010/4/4/1391888/half-breed-a-cleveland-indians
"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos
Over / under on # of Sox' hits tonight?
larry. A kind word for everyone.
More worried about the K's than hits.
"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos
What BABIP are you assuming?
; )
larry. A kind word for everyone.
I dont know hmm probably a little higher than .100!
I’ll tell you this if the White Sox averaged 6 walks and 3 ks all season, I’m going to go out on a limb and say they would be pretty good.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
if they bench kotsay for a game against a pitcher who gets obliterated by lefties
i have even less of a clue what this team is doing.
You have a point
crap Kotsay actually should be in the lineup. I do want Jones to get some abs but not at the expense of Rios.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
Im not as worried about Kotsay honestly as I am about Teehans.
He seemed to just stand there on that swinging bunt, and I dont think he will hit.
by e-gus on Apr 8, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
Look I just want to pass my last Microsoft exam and sleep with white women.
by Tdogg on Mar 10, 2010 11:29 PM CST
by Grinder Rule #42 on Apr 8, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, but on the plus side ...
uh oh.
by The Actual El Guapo on Apr 8, 2010 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Thome's back?!?
"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos
And we've never faced him before, right?
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.
by NorthSidePaulie on Apr 8, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Sox come in at 10 on Forbes List
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2010/33/baseball-valuations-10_Chicago-White-Sox_334758.html
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
and 4th most expensive average ticket in the bigs
http://teammarketing.com.ismmedia.com/ISM3/std-content/repos/Top/News/2010_mlb_fci.pdf
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Apr 8, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
the mets are very reasonable.
of course, you have to watch the mets, but to each their own.
Cashing checks and having sex.
They have very good trafic flow in that lot as well,
enjoyable park to watch a game at.
The season of Oz is upon us, be afraid.
Well.. it is Milwaukee
You’d hope traffic would flow better and they’d have cheap parking.
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on Apr 8, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
What does that supposed to mean?
It’s a much smaller city was my point.. not everything is an insult. Chicago is a huge city, Milwaukee is a nice town, but it’s nothing like Chicago. When you have a lot more room, it only makes sense that traffic flows better and parking is cheaper.
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on Apr 8, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
And their residents are so gay! Small towns=happy folks!
"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos
have you been
to kc
Look I just want to pass my last Microsoft exam and sleep with white women.
by Tdogg on Mar 10, 2010 11:29 PM CST
by Grinder Rule #42 on Apr 8, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't like Milwaukee
felt like I was watching the game in a huge warehouse.
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
all 4 sausages went by on one golf cart as we were walking in.
I liked the place from that moment forward.
I think Im going to go see Pujols v Heyward at the end of this month.
I havent been to new Busch.
we didn't stay for the sausage race
there was some disappointment in not getting the bob uecker bobblehead. new busch is okay, seems like they’ve got a statue or memorial every 10 feet outside the stadium. they’ve got a few decent bars that aren’t far from the stadium.
checking out arlington and PNC (hopefully) this summer.
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
i want to see pnc and camden so bad
"A brief but trenchant analysis of Scott Podsednik
He’s dogshit."
by NYRoyal on Jan 8, 2010 8:56 AM PST
yeah those are on my short list
along with Dodger Stadium and Pac Bell or whatever it’s called now.
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
AT&T and it's really nice.
Definitely worth the trip. Plus you can swing by Oakland, after going there, you’ll really appreciate the cell.
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on Apr 8, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah
a few friends plan a road trip to see the sox each summer, was hoping to catch both on the west coast but it didn’t work out scheduling-wise. i may be out in sf for a weekend, so maybe i’ll try and catch a game. i think next summer we’re headed to minny
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
AT&T has it's strong points
like garlic fries….and, um, uh, garlic fries?
Let me know if you do end up out this way, perhaps we can organize a West Coast event.
FUCK EVYTHING BACON RULZ WEER GONNA WIN TEH CHAMPSHIOP
...colintj, Nov8, 2009
i certainly will
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
Camden is the only positive attribute about Baltimore.
Well, other than the proximity to cities you would want to visit.
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 8, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
They had a pretty good red light district a few years back.
Mostly “B” joints (teaser/rip off), but a few with the real deal (if you’re into that sort of thing).
Food was ok too.
"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos
I see what you did there. +2
"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos
flagged for bashing the hometown of the wire
Look I just want to pass my last Microsoft exam and sleep with white women.
by Tdogg on Mar 10, 2010 11:29 PM CST
by Grinder Rule #42 on Apr 8, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
ditto
but whats up with the price dif on premium tix at camden? and i wonder if its like kauffman were you buy the cheap seat and sit in the good seats
Look I just want to pass my last Microsoft exam and sleep with white women.
by Tdogg on Mar 10, 2010 11:29 PM CST
by Grinder Rule #42 on Apr 8, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
the only cheap ($8) parking is about a mile away
parking around the ballpark is 15. 18 on the weekend.
His name is Rios and he dances on the sand
Peavy
the getting behind every hitter..the laboring…the 30 minute innings…i thought we traded contreras?
Brian Anderson strikes out swinging. Three out.
yep. we're fucked.
"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos
16 of 26 first pitch strikes = Getting behind every batter.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Apr 8, 2010 1:01 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Is this a shot at Cheat? From the top of Let's Go Tribe:
Let’s Go Tribe! -Where Cleveland Indians fans think about pitch, not cold.
"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos
Never mind, here's the source: Fausto: "I don’t think about cold," he said. "I think about pitch."
"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos
Probably of Eskimo heritage
whose family changed their surname on Ellis Island.
larry. A kind word for everyone.
No Kotsay against a pitcher he might actually hit. Awesome.
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 8, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
he sucks equally hard vs right and lefties.
AVG OBP SLG OPS
vs. Left .278 .325 .401 .726
vs. Right .282 .340 .417 .757
he seemed to walk and run really funny last night
i’m not sure what it was, but there was some weird hitch in his gait, like he was all bow-legged or something
The baggy pants throw you off.
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on Apr 8, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Well.. it confuses me
That this is the game the change happens, I’m glad he went Pierre DH, Jones LF. Unless Nix can stop striking out and take the DH role, this is probably the best team we can put on the field (although Pierre leading off is always going to bother me, I know that’s not changing).
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on Apr 8, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, he was right when it was only him, pitchers, and catchers in camp.
"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos
You are correct.
I was just happy that Jones was in the OF & Pierre was DHing. I like Rios in CF, but Jones was a great CF in his own right at one time, and if Pierre is not in the field I think that’s a big upgrade, regardless where Rios and Jones play.
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on Apr 8, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
its still fucking stupid
who the shit cares if Jones used to be good, Griffey used to be good. Rios should still be in center, we have our first CF since Rowand, use him.
RIP Jim Thome 1-25-2010
an AL team not having a DH is like a giraffe fucking a mule. - larry
Of the three guys we've faced,
I’d think Jones is least likely to have success vs. the side-wheeling, three-quarter arming Masterson. I’m glad to see him in….but you just have to wonder “if only one start in the series, why against this guyt?”
May say more about Kotsay than Jones.
Because it obviously doesn’t make sense when you look at it like that. Could just be Kotsay hasn’t looked good at all, so no matter who was out there, Jones was going to play.
Or that Pierre has looked lost in the field and it was between Pierre and Kotsay to DH, and I think we all know Pierre is going to be leading off just about every game.
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on Apr 8, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Welcome to DH by committee
I think you’re assuming this was arrangement was to employ rationality rather than simply rotation.
by Quickly 0 and 2 on Apr 8, 2010 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions
i think you are reading too much into it....
ozzie doesn’t want to hurt jones feelings by benching him 3 straight games…… and kotsay will be back in tomorrow.
Kenwo4life=ratings
lol at least the defense improves
RIP Jim Thome 1-25-2010
an AL team not having a DH is like a giraffe fucking a mule. - larry
woh, BABIB and FIP mention on Royals broadcast
“he is a believer in BABIB and worries about the things he can control, walks and strikeouts”
Bannister is a big Saber guy/pitcher
even if he doesn’t have the skills.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
holy shit, another reference
“you give up a homerun on about 1/10 balls in the air, so he knows he needs to keep the ball down”
Podsednik
4 for 4 right now
Look I just want to pass my last Microsoft exam and sleep with white women.
by Tdogg on Mar 10, 2010 11:29 PM CST
by Grinder Rule #42 on Apr 8, 2010 3:17 PM CDT reply actions
No more Kotsay
I’d love to see Jones get a chance to start tonight.
by Ghost Soldier on Apr 8, 2010 4:36 PM CDT reply actions
Reading is encouraged on this forum.
"Fundamentals are a crutch for the talentless" - Kenny Powers
by Choke Cubs Choke on Apr 8, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions
flagged.
HI I HAVE BEEN DRINKING BEVERAGES
by billyok on Mar 13, 2010 5:22 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
by omnipotent grab on Apr 8, 2010 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions
i think we went overboard on monday
and are too disappointed because of yesterday… though i admit i threw my phone when jenks was in mid-suck mode…. i think they will win tonight behind their true ace.
Kenwo4life=ratings
spot on
give the guys at least one month of playing time, demanding too much from from people that just had eight freaken at bats. whatever … The loss sucked big time, but I still enjoyed the last night’s game, seeing the good guys back on the south side made it for a good evening.
Lupe, release the balloons!
after tonights game... i also have decided they suck.
boy did that shit piss me off. no hitting, no defense, no relief.
Kenwo4life=ratings
Thanks Mediacom for deciding for me that im not watching the game
gotta love it. moving to chicago asap, any games still blacked out in chicago?
YOU CAN PUT IT ON THE BOARD YES!
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www.mybeatshop.com/czheckproductions
Sure that
wasn’t Jerry Owens w/ some artificial aging?
larry. A kind word for everyone.
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