White Sox Bats: Mastering the Art of the Slow Start
by The Cheat on Apr 9, 2010 12:44 AM CDT
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Print.225, .237, .261
No those aren't the low batting averages that rode Jim Thome* out of town. Those are the White Sox batting averages for the last 3 Aprils. Three games into the season they're well on their way to repeating that trend with just 14 hits in 3 games, good for a .154 team average.
And it's not like they've been facing stellar pitching. Jake Westbrook was crazy wild, pitching about how you'd expect from a guy who hasn't pitched in essentially two years. Fausto Carmona, a guy with an ERA near 6 the last two seasons, was anything but sharp, walking 6, yet allowed only 1 hit. Tonight it was Justin Masterson, coming off a 1-7 season last year with the Indians -- yeah, I'm cherry-picking stats now, so what -- who held the Sox in check to the tune of 1 run on 4 hits over 5 innings.
In truth, Masterson pitched well, but so did Gavin Floyd. And when the only thing consistent about the Sox offense is their ice-cold batsicles, it becomes the obvious focus, regardless of the pitcher on the mound.
Ozzie Guillen made a number of interesting decisions tonight that might give us a preview of what's to come this year. Andruw Jones got his first start, not at DH, but CF with Alex Rios shifting to LF and Juan Pierre to DH. Jones took a long time to run a ball down in the gap then made a poor relay throw to allow the Indians second run of the game. I'd probably put him in left with Rios in center, but removing Pierre from the outfield makes the Sox a better team, assuming the same 9 play. So I can't really complain there.
With the Sox down a run in the 7th, Ozzie called on Sergio Santos, who was making his major league debut. I probably would have thrown him into the fire on Opening Day when the Sox had a nice 6-run lead to work with, but Santos showed no ill-effects from getting his first big-league action in a relatively high-leverage situation. Santos' obvious abilities shown through immediately, starting with eight straight mid-90's fastballs before unveiling a surprisingly nasty (and well-located) changeup to record his first major league strikeout. The fastball and the changeup were both plus pitches on Thursday night, and his slider, which was just OK tonight, was supposedly the pitch that was wiping out batters in Arizona. You can see that Santos is a bundle of talent, and that he wasn't too intimidated by the third deck and the game situation let's you dream on that talent to see him pitching at the end of games in the future.
Santos looked like he would be in line for the beer shower that follows your first major league win when Carlos Quentin put the Sox up 3-2 with a 2-run homer, but it was how the Sox got there that was, um, interesting. Juan Pierre led off the bottom of the 7th with a walk, which had Ozzie calling for the bunt from Gordon Beckham to move the tying run into scoring position. It "worked" in that Pierre scored, but I don't like taking the bat out of the hands of (arguably) the Sox best hitter, especially when that hitter is so good at going the other way with the ball. Beckham leads the Sox with a .273 average after 3 games. (I promise not to rely so heavily on batting average stats as the season goes on and other stats start to become more relevant.) Ozzie proved that bunting with Beckham in a close game would indeed be a strategy he's going to employ during the season as he did the same thing in the 9th, with Pierre representing the winning run.
Honestly, I probably wouldn't be against the second bunt call -- moving the winning run into scoring position in the 9th is a heckuvalot more valuable than the tying run in the 7th -- but both came on the first pitch and seem to preview of future late-game situations. The fact that they both came on first pitch bothered me more than anything. What is Juan Pierre's value if it's not in his legs? If he needs to be moved to DH because it makes the Sox better defensively, and requires the help in the form of sacrifice bunts from one of the Sox best hitters to get into scoring position, what value is he bringing to the Sox? Does he fill in for Southpaw for lunch-time birthday parties? Let Beckham see a pitch or two. Let Pierre time the pitcher's move. Calling for the bunt takes all the pressure off of the opposing team.
Ozzie would call on Bobby Jenks in a non-save situation for the second straight game, which, if you consider him your best reliever, was the right move in both. Meanwhile, Matt Thornton is on pace to rack up 163 appearances, though he officially blew the save when Paul Konerko couldn't glove a hard grounder from Travis Hafner, who somehow scored from first on a double thanks to the second poor relay throw from the Sox outfield (Quentin this time). Conspicuously absent: Scott Linebrink, not that I'm complaining.
Also: Home plate umpire Bruce Dreckman was terrible tonight, though I think the Sox got the benefit of more of his bad calls.
* Thome hit a 3-run HR after I started writing this recap.
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agreed with the pierre comment.
no way do i bunt him… not even in the 9th inning. ridiculously bad call. let the guy steal the base for christ sake…then you have beckham up with the man on 2nd.
i stick by my plan to bring back crede and dye and play them at 3B and DH.
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It sucks that it was Beckham at bat
but in the usually wrong move to bunt a runner to second, these are the only time statically it makes sense to do it. I am not being results oriented. Down by a run late, leadoff batter on, bunting him to second for the 3 and 4 hitters with 1 out, sorry- nothing wrong with that……
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
I should amend this
to say seeing at least a pitch or two makes sense first. Beckham with a 2-0 count moves the munmbers his way. I just hate that you attach ridiculous to everything when its clearly not.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
But what's the point of having Pierre
If Ozzie doesn’t trust him to steal a base when he needs one? He’s not around for any other reason.
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by Sox Machine on Apr 9, 2010 9:34 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree in principal.
If I were manager I might have bunted in 1 of the situations. I think to maximize the chances ideally you should vary your call, in the way I might vary the way I play aces in a poker game. Im just saying its not an indefensible decision as some seem to suggest.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
I also don't buy
that this particular strategy is something Ozzie will do consistently. As you point out its to a great degree contrary to what he wants. I’m guessing that in the long run in that exact situation we’ll likely more often see a hit and run. Or run and hit.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
he's done it in the past, this isnt' the first time
I remember in 2007 when they were still around .500 in May he did the exact same BS with Jerry Owens on first and a good hitter at the plate. I was furious when he did it then, glad I didn’t see him do that shit twice last night.
Ozzie has the nerve to complain about strikeouts when he’s frittering away outs from the dugout.
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it's an essential neutral decision.
0 outs, pierre on first with beckham at the plate you have the same win expectancy as with 1 out, pierre on second and quentin batting.
and, while it’s amusing to take potshots at pierre’s existence on the team, pierre ain’t the best basestealer in the world and he’s never seen the pitcher before and marson is a good defensive catcher. ozzie took the safe route.
and varying the call
would probably move the decision to positive. The uncertainy of the defense.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
i don't think that move ever becomes a clear positive.
but the people who were whining on yesterday’s gamethread that “espn says that reduced the win expectancy by 1.4%” need to stop and consider how stupid it is to argue that small of an amount is relevant. change one variable – say, it’s juan pierre at second who can score on just about anything hit to the outfield – and any negative is erased.
What is the Sox RISP average over the past few year?
I feel that the Sox need as many outs as possible to get a baserunner home no matter what base that runner is on.
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by Scotty Ballgame on Apr 9, 2010 10:37 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
What is the Sox RISP average over the past few year?
I feel that the Sox need as many outs as possible to get a baserunner home no matter what base that runner is on.
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Apr 9, 2010 10:38 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
He heard you the first time.
"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos
Sorry I am a little bit rusty posting
Sorry I am a little bit rusty posting
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by Scotty Ballgame on Apr 9, 2010 10:40 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
It brought back memories of 2007
If Ozzie didn’t do the same thing with Jerry Owens against Victor Martinez’s throwing arm. Two steal opportunities, two sac bunts, no runs scored.
Also, the point you made below I’d’ve liked to see applied to this one — give Pierre a shot against Marson, see what kind of jump he gets, and learn about his capabilities.
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While it's true that this decision was close either way
wouldn’t the safe route have been to let Beckham bat? Even if Beckham makes an out he still has a decent chance of advancing Pierre. And even if Beckham strikes out or pops up, you still have your 3 and 4 hitters coming up who are more than capable of driving in a fast runner from first base.
If it had been the bottom of the lineup then maybe a bunt might have been in order but with someone who could very easily score from first on a gapper, I don’t think you need to give up an out just to move him into scoring position. But as you pointed out the decision was pretty close either way.
beckham appears to be a capable bunter
so i think a safe route is to avoid a double play (or anything that results in pierre not advancing to second or, worse, two outs). in the grand scheme, i don’t think there is an argument that the bunt in the 9th was a better or worse choice than swinging away. and when the choices are so close, i defer to the manager because he may very well have better information than just raw stats (beckham feels like shit or pierre tells him he can’t pick up the pitcher or whatever) which tips the balance one way or the other.
Beckham is also one of the teams good hitters.
A team that doesnt have a lot of them.
If you stand by the concept of moving the runner over, dont have one of your more capable hitters in that role. Move him down in the order.
in a tie game in the ninth inning
what you’re describing is sort of irrelevant. the white sox have similarly good hitters in quentin and konerko behind him. what you’re describing makes more sense for arguing why the first bunt was stupid.
agreed all around.
why the hell put the slower guy in center and disrupt your starter? I think that even came into play on the peralta double that Q got to first… rios probably gets there first if he’s in center.
and why do you ever bunt a base stealer? you bunt paulie over, you bunt aj over, you don’t bunt juan pierre over…
at least I didn’t get stuck watching this one in realtime.
why is this in the newspaper?
this happens in schools, parking lots, air planes, elevators, restaurant bathrooms, sporting events and swimming pools around the country…. i wouldn’t want my kids seeing it… but i wouldn’t cry about it to a newspaper like a little bitch who is trying to score free tickets either….
FYI- I know 99 percent of you are virgins… but if you do get lucky… don’t do it in the pool- its not all that great :-)
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why?
because kass is an ass, sox fan or not
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Apr 9, 2010 4:31 AM CDT up reply actions
I imagine Kass gets bored writing hit jobs on Mayor Daley everyday.
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 9, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
'EVERYTHING IS BAD AND CORRUPT
(white) blue collar workers are great and everything else sucks! They’re all crooks and criminals! The rePIGlicans and SPENDocrats are lookin’ out for themselves and don’t care about real people!’
-Every Kass column ever
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by KarkoviceIsHawt on Apr 9, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Sniffpeck.
"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos
by Chiburb on Apr 9, 2010 4:16 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Pecksniff.
"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos
by Chiburb on Apr 9, 2010 5:03 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Ugh
That’s all I can really say. Can we get Getz back? Teehan looks terrible. He had no business making a play on that bunt in the 11th, let the damn thing go foul. About the only positive from last night’s game was a nice, gutsy start by Floyd and the possible discovery of our closer next year in Santos. Otherwise this is starting to suck already.
See that ledge over there? You know what to do...
"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos
by Chiburb on Apr 9, 2010 7:53 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
It's too early to start to panic
It is 3 games people – a lot of baseball left to be played. Didn’t watch the whole game(I was busy watching LeBron’s dance moves) but I totally agree with the bunting situations. I am not a fan of giving away outs especially when the guy Ozzie is sacrificing is a doubles machine.
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by Scotty Ballgame on Apr 9, 2010 7:32 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
no one's giving up yet,
but what we saw last night was a lot of the concerns a lot of us had going into the season realized. This team really isn’t that good, and poor managerial decisions aren’t going to do us any good with a team that is going to need to scrape out every possible win to get this division.
Yes, it is three games. But this series has represented a microcosm of what many of us think this season may end up looking like.
bird law in this country is not ruled by reason
by soxshenanigans on Apr 9, 2010 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions
It's too early to start to panic
It is 3 games people – a lot of baseball left to be played. Didn’t watch the whole game(I was busy watching LeBron’s dance moves) but I totally agree with the bunting situations. I am not a fan of giving away outs especially when the guy Ozzie is sacrificing is a doubles machine.
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Apr 9, 2010 7:35 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
See above
I think its knee jerk for people to say this. Innings 1-6 or even 7th fire away. 8th or 9th inning its not that simple. The determining factor I agree is the first couple pitches. If there is a mistake, its the immediate decision. If Beckham even secures a 1-0 count then the numbers change.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
Not sure the panic is that early
When the things we are complaining about, we were already concerned about before the season. It’d be one thing if it was people worried about Floyd or Buehrle having a bad start or something. That’d be a knee jerk reaction. The fact is, we thought Teahen, Pierre and the DH situation could work out poorly before the season started.
This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with.
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on Apr 9, 2010 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Which actually calms me
I’d be a lot more worried if our starting pitching sucked.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
exactly, because we still have a competitive shot with our starting pitching
as the starting pitching goes – NOT teahen and the dh-hydra – so goes the white sox chances this season
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Apr 9, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions
*except for last night when Teehans cost us the game fielding a ball that he had no chance on
but one that did have a chance to go foul.
Hard to disagree Thome would have looked nice
at the DH spot the last 3 games…..
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
But what if you need your DH to put down a bunt?
Thome couldn’t do that — the Sox have much better situational hitting now
by hitlesswonder on Apr 9, 2010 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions
From Big League Stew
Twins 10, Angels 1: Are we gonna crown the Twins? Then crown ‘em! They are who we thought they were! … Three-run homer Jim Thome(notes). Nah, the White Sox couldn’t use him at all.
"Quantify my balls."
- KenWo
Mark Gonzales piece on holding baserunners
Cooper also said he believes that only a few pitchers have difficulty holding runners and that his entire staff is not to blame. Two prime suspects are Freddy Garcia and Bobby Jenks, who allowed Choo to steal two bases in the ninth inning Wednesday.
“(Jenks) has to be better,” Cooper said. “How do you do that? You can be quicker to the plate. You can hold the ball, you can slide-step, you can work on your pickoff move, and you can vary your hold times. There are many weapons a pitcher can use. Bobby was just not attentive to it.”
Jenks performance on Wed at holding
runners was (to quote Kenwo) ridiculous.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
In Jenks' defense
He walked the next two batters, rendering Choo’s steals meaningless. Joke’s on you, Choo!
Also, Teahen was late covering third on the second one, but he’s new to that position.
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by Sox Machine on Apr 9, 2010 9:38 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
This issue of holding baserunners
could very well plague the team all season. AJ does not have a plus arm – more like a minus arm. Beckham is a newbie at 2nd base. Coop is right – it’s not the entire staff – but the problem goes beyond Garcia and Jenks. If I were an opposing manager playing the Sox, it would be green light for stealing all the time.
by Quickly 0 and 2 on Apr 9, 2010 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I believe in time and numbers but Teehan really
does blow right now. He just looks lost and doesn’t have the glove to neccesarily “weather” the storm. At least give Omar some time in the field at 3b improving the D. Sucky hitting is sucky hitting.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
Last night I was definitely thinking I'd rather have Getz back at second and Gordon on third
Than Teahen at all. Even if it meant Fields takes up a bench spot, it would have been better.
"Quantify my balls."
- KenWo
After 3 games
Sox BA = .154, last in MLB.
larry. A kind word for everyone.
if you dont hit for power and dont hit for average your offense won't work
sorry theres just no other way to score..guys have to start stringing hits together or else this is what we will see all year
Brian Anderson strikes out swinging. Three out.
It's too fucking cold out.
larry. A kind word for everyone.
too many motherf'rs on this thread standing on the ledge this morning
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Apr 9, 2010 9:31 AM CDT reply actions
No shit. I hope they jump. Or move to the right rail.
"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos
Not good that after 3 games
the word “panic” is used in a game recap thread in the first 35 or so comments.
larry. A kind word for everyone.
And for what reason?
Honestly. With (insert whatever you want) the fact remains
Game one – won
Game two – up 3-0 in 5th Jake Peavy on the mound
Game three – up 3-2 in 8th Matt Thorton on the mound with 2 outs.
I think I’d take those instances all day.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
ahh but our run distribution is
6 – 3 -3
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
What a bunch of whiney-ass titty babies!
3 games in. Holy crap.
"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos
by Chiburb on Apr 9, 2010 9:33 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
This is what blogs were invented for
People like to bitch and moan. We win tonight, everyone’s happy. People are pissed because (as was mentioned above) the offense is looking a lot like we feared it might. “They are who we thought they were”, so everyone’s whining. Teahen does look completely lost, Alexi doesn’t like to hit until it’s 80, and the DH hydra has zero hits (I’m not giving Pierre credit for that shallow fly ball last night).
"I'm going to let my numbers speak for themselves."
by Cy Navarro on Apr 9, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
no. blogs were not invented for whining.
they were commandeered by whiners. whiners should stick to sports radio.
I was being semi-serious
Sports radio is much, much worse.
"I'm going to let my numbers speak for themselves."
I don't see panic or whining in this thread
at least not enough to cry about.
is it bad form these days to discuss the negative aspects of a loss in the recap thread for that loss?
Agreed
I’m not jumping off the ledge or anything, we’re still in a shitty division, and have great pitching, and I don’t see many others giving up hope either. Complaining that Mark Teahen and the DH situation sucks or that Ozzie has made some questionable decisions, doesn’t equal giving up on the team or having no hope.
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on Apr 9, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Unfortunately,
I think the Twinks are on another level if Liriano is Liriano again.
awesome
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by KarkoviceIsHawt on Apr 9, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
I am at a loss to try and explain why Ozzie Guillen doesn't realize that CF is the 3rd most important defensive position
Playing Rios everyday in CF is going to save 10 or so runs over the course of the season over anyone else on the roster. It’s a NO BRAINER.
Furthermore, the bunting with Beckham needs to stop. You don’t ask Chase Utley to bunt, even if he’s batting 2nd. Beckham is clearly your best opposite field hitter, your best doubles hitter, so why are you trying to bunt?
I’m about at the end of the rope with Ozzie and we are only 3 games in. I’m sick of his sub-optimal decision making. His strength as a manager is his pitching management and his laid back style, those are quickly being overwhelmed by his insistance on the kotsay/jones platoon, his fucking with Rios, and his harebrained attempt to turn this into a smallball club.
Sorry for the rant, but it’s been building for awhile wrt CF defense especially.
You are at your rope's end over
statistically insignificant decisions? Come on madvillian.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
if its statistically insignificant wouldn't you rather watch beckham hit?
this is entertainment, after all.
the only bunts I want to see are squeezes or surprise bunt singles.
of course I would
but its not like I can yell “you are fucking up my team’s chance to win!”
I don’t agree with never bunting either.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
based on what?
potential?
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
lol.
that was funny. But seriously stop turning Christ into Arod or Utley for that matter.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
It's not insignificant to start Jones in CF, insist you don't need Thome, bunt with your best hitter
you know what's more significant than all of those?
sergio santos. who one person in this bitchfest has mentioned.
In the offseason, I'd agree
But if a team is a closer away from the postseason they’d give up value for him in a mideason deal. How much extra revenue is going to the postseason? It’s got to be in the tens of millions meaning that Jenks would have plenty of surplus value.
Which one?
Rios is the better CF but probable not to the degree you think. (He’s lost 45 pounds in 2 years) His 2007 CF score was very good so even factoring in some age regression and lost of skill he’s still an above avg OF. More important is having them BOTH in the OF.
Insisting you don’t want Thome without a suitable replacement is not an in game decision.
And bunting Beckham who OPSed .808 last year and somehow has become Pujols all of a sudden is not significant.
So no, drama aside, I don’t understand your rant.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
rios has lost 45 pounds in 2 years??
uh oh…if thats true i have an idea why..
Brian Anderson strikes out swinging. Three out.
by JOSEPANIAGUA on Apr 9, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Jones has lost 45 lbs.
And he’s suggesting that because of that, Jones is still a good CF. So as long as Pierre isn’t in LF, it doesn’t matter where Jones and Rios play, it’s still an upgrade over having Pierre out there.
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on Apr 9, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
ohhh ok..
johes not rios has lost 45 lbs
i thought we had an explanation for why rios all of a sudden hits like a pitcher since hes been here
Brian Anderson strikes out swinging. Three out.
by JOSEPANIAGUA on Apr 9, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
I just don't get moving around your starter for a bench player.
why not just make the simplest move and swap pierre for jones. does he actually think jones is better? playing the respect card? some shit boras worked into the deal?
you know, sometimes the most obvious answer is the actual answer.
ozzie wants to know if jones can still actually play CF.
we'll see.
i usually don’t begrudge managers trying things out in the first month or two of the season. if he’s still doing it in june (and jones is who we think he is), then i have a problem.
I don't mind it if thats what it is, I just don't see the point of the test with this one
at best he surprises everyone and is slightly better than rios, big deal.
its not him throwing santos in to see what he’s got… when that works out you gotta wear a towel around your waist.
i'm concerned that we are supposed to be built on pitching and defense
but our defense does not look good at all..that hafner scored from first to tie the game last night was awful
Brian Anderson strikes out swinging. Three out.
by JOSEPANIAGUA on Apr 9, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
only a dumbfuck would have extended their belief in the defense to the outfield.
the corners are not good and everyone knows it.
Still....
The corner outfielders we have this year(Pierre, Rios, Jones) should be better at defense than the ones we had last year(Pods, Dye)
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by Scotty Ballgame on Apr 9, 2010 10:56 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
that's about as low of a bar as you can set.
if people want to say the overall defense will be better than last year, fine. but the white sox are not better than an average defensive team.
that's a very good assessment
Brian Anderson strikes out swinging. Three out.
by JOSEPANIAGUA on Apr 9, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Jones is comfortable in CF?
Rios has switched between RF and CF quite a bit through out his career. Maybe he just feels Rios can handle the change better then Jones. Jones has almost exclusively played CF since he was 21.
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on Apr 9, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
huge mobile rec.
I am more prone to be inquisitive to promote discussion.
by winningugly on Apr 9, 2010 5:17 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Rios's lifetime UZR/150 in CF is
8.2 madvillian. His extreme value is offensive production at that position with positional adjustment. Jones on the other hand was 22.4. Regress and spit out a new number.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
I'd argue
that those days are behind him, weight loss or otherwise. He hasn’t played CF full time since 2007 and the 2nd half of 08 he was horrible with the Dodgers. I know UZR should be looked at over a 2 or three year period to smooth it, so his time with the Dodgers might not be relevant, or it could plausibly IMO have been an aging player going off a cliff mobility wise.
I looked at fangraphs, interesting that Jones was relegated to RF in his brief stint with the Rangers in 2009 even though Byrd is by all measures a mediocre fielder at best in CF.
I will concede it’s not that egregious a play by Ozzie, my beef is more with the overall organic roster construction. IMO Jones’ body should be saved as much as possible for a full time DH role, not running around in CF so Pierre can DH.
I am surprised that Rios hasn’t posted a better UZR over his career though. He really seemed to take his troubles at the plate with him into the field in 09, after what UZR had as a very good year in 08.
I will say that I wish I could trust Ozzie to make the right call wrt if Jones is in great enough shape to play CF, but his fascination with Griffey out there has forever scarred me.
Jones - Pierre
Jones is a better outfielder than Pierre, even at this point in his career. I don’t think he’s that big of an injury risk in the outfield. He isn’t in the disastrous shape he was a couple years ago and it’s not like he’s all that old.
I’d rather Rios be in CF, but as long as Pierre isn’t in the OF, I think we’re better off no matter where Rios or Jones play.
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on Apr 9, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
I have a better arm than Juan Pierre, that scares me.
I’d be surprised if he hits 65 mph on his throws from the outfield, which is the starting point for a good high school outfielder.
STATS and BIS UZR disagree with each other about Jones' defense
I’m betting Jones and Pierre are in the neighborhood of 0/150 in the corners. Rios is 0/150 in CF, which gives you the magic 10 runs per season madvil was talking about.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
so should we just bet or maybe take a few games to test out who wins the bet?
i guess we could just play games on computers.
i think i'd still put Rios in center
since you can tell a good OF from a bad OF regardless of where he’s playing. but there are plenty of ways to look at it. here’s one: give Jones a chance in the position he knows best and if he’s not up to it, he can’t bitch when he’s playing a corner or DHing in June.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
Rios definitely passes the ol' eye test
"Fundamentals are a crutch for the talentless" - Kenny Powers
by Choke Cubs Choke on Apr 9, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
is 'the ol' eye test'
what you do to ladies on a friday night? seems like something @OldHossRadbourn would say.
She's either a 1 or a 0.
You would or you wouldn’t.
"Fundamentals are a crutch for the talentless" - Kenny Powers
by Choke Cubs Choke on Apr 9, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
There has been discussion of adding the 0.5
and creating a “drunk 1” category. Preliminary reports are encouraging and discouraging at the same time.
"Fundamentals are a crutch for the talentless" - Kenny Powers
by Choke Cubs Choke on Apr 9, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
and to whatever extent the players care about having a set position
how about not dicking with the guy that you need to pay 40mil and, telling the guy making 500k to do what he’s fucking told.
by Trooper on Apr 9, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
neither is required as an expectation
to find out if he can be. there are multiple potential rationales that necessitate 0 bitching.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
by colintj on Apr 9, 2010 5:57 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
It isn't even about Beckham hitting
Why give up an out when you have a guy on base with about a 90% of stealing second? He was brought to this team to steal in situations like this, so why sacrifice when your team has no ability to get a clutch hit. Steal second, have Beckham at least move him to 3rd, sac fly, game over.
"I'm going to let my numbers speak for themselves."
Who the hell has a 90% chance of stealing second
Certainly not Pierre.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
I just made it up
Do you really think Cleveland’s relievers and their catcher are going to catch Pierre more than 10% of the time?
"I'm going to let my numbers speak for themselves."
Whatever
Ok so say it’s 70-80% – still better than a sac bunt with Beckham.
"I'm going to let my numbers speak for themselves."
I forgot you are the
“I’m going to let my numbers speak for themselves.” guy.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
That was a reference to Navarro
Not me. Pierre was successful on roughly 75% of steals last year, 80% the year before, Cleveland’s catcher can’t throw anybody out, can’t see where I’m off by more than 10%
"I'm going to let my numbers speak for themselves."
it's certainly odd then that lou marson has thrown out 50% of those who have attempted to steal on him in his major league career.
i’m sure that will be rectified now that everyone knows he can’t throw anyone out.
Didn't look like much this series
And he hasn’t had much of a major league career.
"I'm going to let my numbers speak for themselves."
He's played 20 games prior to this year
You can’t be serious!
"I'm going to let my numbers speak for themselves."
20 games is better than the 2 games you were using.
and i’m aware of what his minor league numbers are.
Yeah
I’m sure he’ll throw out 50% of baserunners this year, you’re right.
"I'm going to let my numbers speak for themselves."
that was thick sarcasm
to someone who didn’t know what they were talking about. i’m sure you’re right that marson can’t throw anyone out.
I think my "guess" was within 10%
And you’re basing yours on minor league stats?
"I'm going to let my numbers speak for themselves."
i'm glad you think that.
i base my opinions on all available evidence. feel free to stick to your two game sample size.
So tell me
Based on your own massive sample size, what were the odds of a steal? I must be off be 30-40% to be judged so clueless.
"I'm going to let my numbers speak for themselves."
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=marson001lou
"A brief but trenchant analysis of Scott Podsednik
He’s dogshit."
by NYRoyal on Jan 8, 2010 8:56 AM PST
This is why high schools should teach statistics/probability instead of geometry
It’s impossible to make any meaningful statements about that exact situation. Trying to do so is an exercise in futility.
White Sox fan; Jeppson's Malort man
by KarkoviceIsHawt on Apr 9, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
i agree with this.
but it’s not that hard to figure out that Marson’s average expected out rate is going to be above 10% there.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
(shakes head)
geometry is the first time students are forced to use problem solving and critical thinking in math. it introduces them to proofs which require an explanation of the thought process. for some reason, getting rid of a practice of critical thinking does not seem to be a good idea.
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
why not both?
geometry is what, freshman math?
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
sophomore where i went
a.p. stats was an optional class for seniors…and was awesome
"A brief but trenchant analysis of Scott Podsednik
He’s dogshit."
by NYRoyal on Jan 8, 2010 8:56 AM PST
its either fresh or soph math
depending on the level they come in at. i just think its a bad class to recommend replacing. have them take stats before pre-calc. once they’re in pre-calc, they’re doing math that few jobs require. i teach it and often have to come up with specific examples of where the math is used while most complain that they’re never going to do that job.
a.p. stats is definitely awesome.
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
expecially at plainfield central
thanks mrs. bond
"A brief but trenchant analysis of Scott Podsednik
He’s dogshit."
by NYRoyal on Jan 8, 2010 8:56 AM PST
Clarification: I'm in favor of teaching kids
stats. I think there should be more math generally though. Who needs English?
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
by colintj on Apr 9, 2010 6:02 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
proofs, while useful and critical to the learning process,
are lame! boom
This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training
the break even point for base stealers is 75%
and the average is probably right around there, which is what’s used in win expectancy. so if everything was about even, then whatever ozzie decided to do was probably a decent play.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
Surprisingly..
Ozzie does have access to what he has done in the minor leagues.
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on Apr 9, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
The eyes have it.
"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos
catcher can’t throw anybody out
there you go letting numbers speak for themselves again.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
last year with the Dodgers
Pierre went 12 CS, 30 SB, so he was thrown out 28.6% of the time, and successful ~71.4%.
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=443&position=OF
This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training
In fairness give some credit to the Indians
they came up with clutch 2 out hits seemingly whenever they needed them..they played off their asses in the last 2 games of the series..
Brian Anderson strikes out swinging. Three out.
Let me understand.
We aren’t allowed to question manager moves?
larry. A kind word for everyone.
Sure you are
but use real data. Not all the gut feelings I see. Beckham is a superstar blah blah blah.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
No.
Beckham is the best hitter on the club.
larry. A kind word for everyone.
Q! is the best hitter
Becks is more valuable because he can play up the middle D. that does not affect the absolute value of his bat.
projected wOBA
Beck: 261
Kong 258
Q! 268
And I don’t like how Kong has dropped off his 162 HR pace. You better hit two tonight!
Kenwo is right an exasperatingly large amount of the time.
Kong is still well above average in general, and almost exactly average for a 1b man.
IMO,
the majority of people who post regularly on this site are not idiots, are knowledgeable about baseball and the understand the statistical aspects of baseball. Yes, there are gradations of each of those, but in aggregate, this site ranks near the top of the baseball team sites i’ve looked at under the SBNation banner.
Informed discussion (questioning a manager’s decision?) should be encouraged, not chastised and made fun of.
larry. A kind word for everyone.
by ballyb on Apr 9, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Its one thing to quesion a decision
because you honestly don’t know. Its another to get corrected and insist your opinion is right anyway. Some things are arguable, others are not.
What I think the goofy part is folks sometimes going to the extreme for decisions that really could go either way. Kenwo (who I admit with all his vile hatred I do like) is the king of this.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
its because kenwo is at least entertaining when he does it
"A brief but trenchant analysis of Scott Podsednik
He’s dogshit."
by NYRoyal on Jan 8, 2010 8:56 AM PST
tdogg, do you agree with the bunt in the 7th?
I can defend the one in the 9th because you’re playing for one run. I can’t defend the one in the 7th though.
not many dogmatics here, which makes the few we do have like KenWo that much better for ratings.
Most "folks sometimes going to the extreme" comment re. the Beckham bunting on the game thread last night:
are you fucking kidding.
a bunt. with beckham. for chrissakes
by larry on Apr 8, 2010 9:27 PM CDT
larry. A kind word for everyone.
Excuse me.
I forgot you had that 1.2% on your side.
larry. A kind word for everyone.
Use the internets search capability.
larry. A kind word for everyone.
i can search for whatever i want.
i know what the number represents. i don’t know why you think it’s relevant to what we’re discussing.
To each, his own.
larry. A kind word for everyone.
this is the exact sort of assclownery people are complaining about.
i ask you to explain and you give me a non sequitur.
A south side April tradition.
''I love it, oh, my God, yes."
by thecip on Apr 9, 2010 10:31 AM CDT reply actions 8 recs
And a happy Friday to you too!!
"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos
We'll be fine.
I’m not worried and neither should anyone else be. right? RIGHT???!?
''I love it, oh, my God, yes."
go green
RIP Jim Thome 1-25-2010
an AL team not having a DH is like a giraffe fucking a mule. - larry
his name is rios and he hits like he has a broken hand
oh rios rios go for 1 for 20 on this homestand…
Brian Anderson strikes out swinging. Three out.
by JOSEPANIAGUA on Apr 9, 2010 10:42 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
you've confused this with the thread where you point out the positives from the series.
but a reluctant heh for the song.
My hope for this weekend:
White Sox pitching no-hits everybody except Jim Thome the entire weekend. Thome hits 3 HRs each game, and singlehandedly sweeps the Sox. Fuck Ozzie, and his bearded beyotch Kotsay.
I’ll admit it; I might be a little upset right now.
"Qualls took over, and then Konerko took over." - Joe Buck
I'm still trying to clean
the shit smear off my television? Any suggestions? With the Twins coming into town I doubt my situation gets resolved.
Regardless, once again if you are looking for cheap tickets for tomorrow’s game enter ‘WSN’ into the promo code box in ticketmaster. Got a bleacher seat for 17$. If anyone would like to ridicule or kick my ass, I’ll be sitting in section 161.
My point exactly.
There is no discernable difference between the two. My DVD is stuck on Teahen and my kids diaper is smeared all over my Samsung.
by Rhubarb on Apr 9, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
just chalk it up to the bottom of the "R" being covered in shit
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
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It is not an overreaction to question the team's direction three games in when it is proving to have the weaknesses everyone here thought it would
Like any product, if you can spot a flaw in the design, (Teahen, lack of DH), and those flaws start to show early, the wiser thing to do is go back and correct them early rather than run the product out until you need a major overhaul. Offensive production is lacking as everyone though it would and our defense is average at best so it won’t support sub-par offense. (The Giants tried this last year in the easier circuit) I’m not whining when I say I don’t want ot see Kotsay again, ever, I would like to give Jack Cust a contract and a shot to be a DH and I would like to see Jones at least get the better half of playing time in a platoon in left field if we have to play Pierre. I’m simply talking baseball and how I would like my favorite team to actually play better and contend. Losing two of three to a rebuilding franchise when we expected to be contenders this year is a joke. And it is not because it is cold!
"Quantify my balls."
- KenWo
Or quite possibly just confirmation
That almost all of us here knew what we were talking about and that NL managing doesn’t win games in the AL, even if it is the Central.
Remember, “Even if it works, it’s stupid” and right now, it ain’t working. How many more painful, hitless losses do you want to endure, before the pattern has replicated enough for you to declare our collective bitching relevant.
"Quantify my balls."
- KenWo
saying anything after three games is silly.
it’s meaningless. using it as evidence to bolster your prior opinion is also meaningless.
So foresight doesn't exist in your world?
Or is it just not valid until it’s been proven to the point it is useless?
"Quantify my balls."
- KenWo
foresight exists in my world.
i just don’t need to beat my opinion into everyone’s computer screen and post after every game about how the 42 ABs that occurred that night prove how i’m the smartest guy in the world.
No, you use statistical brow beating to prove you are the smartest.
Incidentally, you’ve posted more than I have, so you’ve beaten me at beating your opinion into the keyboard as well. I just don’t see how you can dismiss clear evidence that expected problems are indeed problems, just because they are only crack at the moment and not crevasses… yet. Why wait to fix something that is clearly in error?
"Quantify my balls."
- KenWo
I'd argue that 3 fucking games doesn't even prove a "crack".
But the argument would be wasted, right?
"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos
Probably
It’s been a crack for me since Kenny agreed to let Ozzie try competing in an AL central ripe for the taking without a DH. So, since this has been gnawing at me for months, not just this week, I’m calling it a crack. In the case of Kotsay, it is an ass crack.
"Quantify my balls."
- KenWo
And I stand by that! (As you know.)
My point is ONLY that 3 games doesn’t prove or even indicate cracks or chasms. That 3 games are NO reason to say “I told you so” or “I was afraid this would happen”. That 3 games don’t mean shit.
This could very well get ugly, they could very well get lucky anyway. I don’t have a clue after 3 games. Nobody else does either.
"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos
yes of course. and if the sox win the ws your slogan will still be true.
kinda pointing out that justjc doesn’t need to reference 3 games of data or 163 games of data to make his point.
plus antagonism helps me deal with sleep deprivation.
My objection to jjc is that he IS using 3 games as proof of what we ALL suspected/predicted and that's not right.
Fuck your antagonism, mother fucker!
"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos
speaking of which
doing that doesn’t really help the lack of sleep, but it sure makes me less antagonistic!
don't worry, everyone.
i’ll give you the exact moment you can all say i told you so. because i’ll be telling you all i told you so first.
Not proof, indication
Which is all I need to enjoy a good internet rant. Now bring me Jack Cust and Ozzie Guillen’s head on a pike.
"Quantify my balls."
- KenWo
foresight plus three games still equals foresight
so to claim that your foresight has been confirmed to any degree is, as larry says, confirmation bias.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
Confirmation Bias=Bullshit. larry was being polite and he gets no credit for that.
"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos
You can't believe everything a failed mascot says.
"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos
that's because even when he's polite
he’s right. and no one wants to give that kind of an asshole credit.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
by colintj on Apr 9, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is some funny shit man.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
Shake up the batting order
Game 3 and it’s already almost unwatchable at times…
Ozzie should radically shake this lineup up – especially since there is no “DH.”
Cheat is right about GoBe giving ABs away by ending up in “bunting” situations… no reason to bat him in the 2-hole.
I know it’s crazy, but I’d bat Rios lead off and GoBe in the 4-hole… That way, we can utilize Pierre’s bunting ability in the 2-hole, without wasting ABs for GoBe and TCQ will get a lot to look at in the 3 hole. It’s a totally insane order, but kinda intriguing…
My order:
Rios
Pierre
TCQ
GoBe
PK
AJ
Teahen
A.Jones/Kotsay
A.Ram
in all three games the Sox hitters gave the pitchers the lead
the bullpen blew it for two of the three games, the two that were lost. While the hitting is not hot yet, the lineup is putting the pitchers in the position to win. The top half of the hitting order is getting on base and producing runs. Its the 8 and 9 in the order, Teahen and Alexei, that are off to slow starts and are missing clutch hitting opportunities. But now we see why Ozzie has them there to start the year. With the bullpen and starting rotation we have I am confident that the stopper troubles we are seeing will fade away. I think Alex Rios hitting 6th is a plus and reporters and bloggers across the board are commenting on how Rios looks like he is returning to All Star form. At least give it until May to say otherwise.
Ron Rivera Return
by Oso Monstar of Midway on Apr 9, 2010 12:32 PM CDT reply actions
bullpen never had the lead Wednesday
Peavy blew it…
The most effective bullpens, as in those who blow the fewest leads just happen to have the best offensive support. All pens give up runs, put them in games with no room for error and they’ll eventually “blow” the game. In other words, the more 0-run and 1-run games the Sox find themselves in the worse the bullpen is going to look (as long as the offense continues to struggle)
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not blaming the pitching as a whole
but specifically when the holders and stoppers needed to hold or stop the hits, and they didn’t. Which led to the losses. That the Sox needed to score more runs of course they did. Actually they did score more runs than the Indians in the series, 12-10. But it doesn’t come down to how many runs are scored, but when they are scored, and when they need to be stopped.
Ron Rivera Return
by Oso Monstar of Midway on Apr 9, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
but our bullpen is solid, just not in this series
Ron Rivera Return
by Oso Monstar of Midway on Apr 9, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
tough for bullpen to look solid when defense is making errors
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Apr 10, 2010 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions
This, above all others, is true.
We won it all in ‘05 because we were unconscious in scoring first and winning one-run games than ever could have been predicted. It is too soon to say, but I’ll be watching those two numbers in a less than peripheral way. Our margin for error is even thinner this year than then.
I am more prone to be inquisitive to promote discussion.
by winningugly on Apr 9, 2010 5:28 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
The pitching has actually been very good.
I know it’s only been 3 games but
ERA: 3.10
FIP: 2.20
Batting Ave : .154
OPS : .623
Two hits accounted for all of our runs Wednesday
I doubt any of the pitching staff would call that sufficient support.
"Quantify my balls."
- KenWo
I'm glad Al wasn't watching the night we met Liz.
"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos
wow
White Sox fan; Jeppson's Malort man
by KarkoviceIsHawt on Apr 9, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
When you can't sell the team, sell the field.
Even if it is a urine-smelling pit of crumbling concrete.
"Quantify my balls."
- KenWo
Lesbians, correct?
i don't fuck corned beef.
which is why i don’t eat at subway. by larry on Mar 17
by South Side Expat on Apr 9, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
More like..
Newlyweds from Iowa that are at Wrigley on their honeymoon. Sigh….
"I'm going to let my numbers speak for themselves."
Pfft, did they have sex in the bathroom to seal the deal?
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 9, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
in the trough?
This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training
Love at Comiskey
Didn’t Kass have a nice article about White Sox love today?
"I'm going to let my numbers speak for themselves."
Detroit already has five hits though and the bases are loaded
Early season predictions were that Cleveland would have a solid line-up and suspect pitching. That’s why our poor hitting against them hurt.
"Quantify my balls."
- KenWo
All you need is just a little
If the Bulls don’t make the playoffs I won’t need to watch basketball, its on to basketball.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Apr 2, 2010 12:38 PM PDT
By which team?
"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos
haha
White Sox dead last in BABIP after 3 games.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
its only Game 3
and i cant take this shit anymore
These threads? You're right!
If you mean the Sox, you can always go back to WSI.
"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos
If there was a god that shirt wouldn't exist.
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 9, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
that looks like a guy whose ready to go 10 for 12 this weekend
Brian Anderson strikes out swinging. Three out.
it's gonna be okbillyok
"April showers bring May flowers and May flowers bring mathematical elimination day to Kansas City".--- Joe Pos
My favorite words / phrases on this thread in alpha sequence.
assclownery
brow beating
donkey balls
larry. A kind word for everyone.
i can't believe how the season ended.
good thing for all of those tiebreaker rules!
he better hope i don't get his aim, bro.
Hoo dat?
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by winningugly on Apr 9, 2010 5:29 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
soxtimism
As we watch the regular season slide into disaster and watch our playoff hopes be crushed in Game # 3 of the regular season, in 30 degree icey weather, i will go ahead and post something a little more soxtimistic. I am excited to see Quentin, Rios, and Konerko all homer in the first series of the season. After all, these are the three in the lineup that we are relying on for any offensive firepower over the wall, or at least to the wall. Peavy was rusty because he was really cold, literally. Alexei has trouble in April. Sergio Santos in his debut was sharp. Nobody thinks this team is running away with the division, including fans. But we have the arsenal to be in the thick of it. Gordon Beckham bunting is a plus in terms of lineup versatility at the top.
Ron Rivera Return
by Oso Monstar of Midway on Apr 9, 2010 2:38 PM CDT reply actions
not saying that is what his role should be
Ron Rivera Return
by Oso Monstar of Midway on Apr 9, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I think
The White Sox, Red Sox, Angels and Rockies should quit right now
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
by Tdogg on Apr 9, 2010 3:09 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
speaking of BABIP and wild numbers for fun
Some expected batting averages based on current stats (fantasy slant but numbers still pretty good)
1)Q .367 (27% walk rate sweet!)
2)Beckham .296
3)Kong .394
4)Pierre .260
5)AJ .292 (0% walk rate -same aj/92% contact rate)
6)Rios .210
7)Teabag .000 (you r what we thought you were)
8)Alexis .087 (deadly 8-9)
9)Kotsay/Jones .000
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
What do you think about being second guessed, Oz?
"Well, don’t watch it," he said. "That’s easy, man. If you don’t want to watch the way I’m managing this club, it’s easy, be a Cub fan or talk about something else. I’m not going to tell people why I do stuff, what I did. They talk about taking the bat away from Beckham, that’s the seventh and ninth innings and I’ve got my best two hitters, the only guys swinging the bat well right now, right behind him.
"All those idiots out there they think about baseball, come out here and manage. I don’t have to explain to anybody why I do stuff.
I have. He's a hothead.
He’s also correct – his players are not playing well situationally. And if it is his architecture, he’s feeling the heat. Good. We’ll see how all of them respond. And if, like we postulated in the off-season, KW has given Ozzie the rope to hang himself, we’ll soon find out.
Either way, it won’t be boring like the games have been so far.
I am more prone to be inquisitive to promote discussion.
ozzie can suck a cock
I’ll be a sox fan long after his bum ass gets fired in june….. He doesn’t know what in the hell he is doing. He deserves the axe. look at this crap he has assembled… pierre, vizquel, teahen, jones, kotsay….. that all makes me want to puke.
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