White Sox Drop Series to Royals; Time to Take Look in the Mirror
by The Cheat on May 16, 2010 9:40 PM CDT
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PrintThere's no more denying that the White Sox are a bad team. We're 6 full weeks into the season and the Sox have a total of two series wins, have a winning record against only one team (the lowly Seattle Mariners, who the Sox walked-off twice and won all three games by 1-run on homers in the last at-bat), and have won on back-to-back days just three times (twice in the Seattle series).
They're universally poor in all phases of the game; offense, pitching, baserunning, defense a coaching all deserve some of the blame. But the largest share of the blame (aside from obviously underperforming players) has to lie with the front office who allowed a team to be constructed in such a manner that nearly everything had to break right just for the Sox to compete.
As we sat back and watched the off-season unfold, we were puzzled by the swift actions Kenny Williams took to construct his roster. Trading for Mark Teahen and Juan Pierre, re-signing Mark Kotsay, bringing in Andruw Jones and J. J. Putz. These were not the moves of a GM looking to overhaul a below-average club, but subtle tweaks that didn't figure to add to the W column. And by the time the off-season ended and it had become clear that Teahen was not a flexible-10th starter but the everyday third baseman despite not being able to actually field the position, that Jones and Kotsay, passable bench bats*, would be given given significant playing time, and when a starting position player inevitably went down both figured to be in the lineup daily.
* I know Andruw Jones is considered a Williams success story at this point, and I'm not going to argue with his production to date. But we've seen this hot start before, just last season, and he added essentially nothing after his first 150 at-bats. His hot start hasn't changed my opinion of him being a positive 10th guy, and his defense should have him out there everyday he's in the lineup (over Quentin), but I wouldn't count on him being such an asset over the last 4 months of the season.
The White Sox '10 roster construction lacked imagination and vision. I called the trade for Juan Pierre uninspired at the time, and it appears just that; a Hey, we need one of those fast guys at the top of the lineup type of move, a move that was seemingly made to placate the desires of Ozzie Guillen. But no roster decision bore the fingerprints of Ozzie more than the non-signing of Jim Thome. The official reason given for not bringing in the most productive hitter (as measured by OPS) the Sox had in '09, was that Ozzie didn't think he could get him enough at-bats, that Ozzie didn't want to face the tough Chicago media after sitting Thome. And besides, without Thome on the team he would have the flexibility to play two inferior players in his place, the flexibility to give Omar Vizquel his first career start at DH, the flexibility to be creative with his terrible lineups.
While Ozzie certainly deserves some blame for his influence over the roster construction, the final decision ultimately should come down to Kenny Williams. And when Williams passed the buck to allow Guillen to make the final decision on Thome, he essentially said I'm tired of arguing with you (Ozzie) and making tough decisions. Here's enough rope to go hang yourself. But no single move this off-season has been as damaging as the trade for and subsequent extension to Mark Teahen, a move that is classic Kenny Williams. Teahen had bounced around positions in Kansas City, and hadn't had a good offensive season since '06, his last as a full-time 3B. Williams seemed to buy that moving Teahen back to 3B, where all metrics seemed to agree he was terrible defensively, would be a recipe for a return to his previous offensive heights, that comfort in the field would translate to comfort at the plate.
Well, Teahen may be comfortable in the field, but that's only because he has the approximate range of Lay-Z-Boy recliner. There's really no excuse for the front office and scouts not know the defensive shortcomings of an intra-division foe. That Williams saw fit to lock Teahen into a multi-year deal prior to him taking a single groundball in a White Sox uniform is further indictment of an organization that relies more on gut than on raw data or even directly observable fact.
It's time for Williams to admit he was wrong. We know this won't happen with Teahen, not anytime soon. Entering Sunday's game the White Sox Designated Hitters ranked last in the AL in OPS with a .187/.266/.288 triple-slash line. Even though Andruw Jones has been a pleasant surprise, the flexibility to run bench bats through the DH position has left the Sox unsurprisingly more than one bat short. It's time for a move, any move.
In a conference call during spring training, Rich Hahn indicated that the Sox had an internal list of DH-candidates and targets on hand should the experiment go awry. At the time, he refused to name names, but Tyler Flowers seemed to be the most-likely internal candidate. The Sox are so far back, with such a thin farm system beyond Flowers and Daniel Hudson, that it seems silly to bother with any of the external options on that list. But Tyler Flowers isn't the answer either. This team needs more than just another competent bat, a title that probably won't be applied to Flowers for a couple of years anyway.
The truth is there are no answers for this club. Firing Greg Walker might be a start, and might be a sign to Ozzie that he's not the one running the whole show anymore, but it's still unlikely to move the Sox significantly in the right direction. And jettisoning veterans with surplus value probably isn't the way to go either, at least not yet, not when there are 60+ more home dates left.
But moves are coming. Kenny Williams has lost his patience. Ozzie is wondering when the axe will fall. Texas is kicking the tires on A.J. Pierzynski. Covering the White Sox is about to get a lot more interesting, though not for the reasons we'd all hoped.
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"Having resumed drinking alcohol, I cannot for the life of me understand how I ever could've given it up." - Merrick
by gar ridge pride on May 16, 2010 9:45 PM CDT reply actions
Had a somewhat positive feeling going into the season. But it’s getting difficult to watch them now. I’d put Pierre and Kotsay on the bench and Jones in the OF regularly. Maybe move Beckham back to third. Teahen could spell Paulie at 1B occasionally. And maybe give Dye a call and see how fast he could get his batters eye back. Anything, well almost anything, would be better to watch than some of the games they have been sleepwalking through this year.
White Sox fan since the mid 70's.
I cannot express what a foul, nasty taste this season has left in my mouth so far.
I tried to write down all the rancid notes, sour moves and bitter decisions that led to this god-awful stew we call the sox, but for me it still boils down to a chef that has gone off the rails here- Kenny Williams. I still like KW, but he has screwed the pooch here and needs to admit it.
End this Island of Dr Moreau experiement, Kenny. Please.
Four weeks in and I’m bitter as shit- Teahenny Penny
by DrEmilioLizardo on May 16, 2010 10:10 PM CDT reply actions
what good is admitting anything now going to do?
who cares if he admits it or not? its obvious to everyone he did a shitty job.
Kenwo4life=ratings
But at least the minor league system is cleary poised to replenish the team
KW has that to his credit
"ass hole thi is the same line up whit leftys you idiot"
i just posted on the minor league thread they should bring up dayan.
what the fuck do they have to lose? they paid this guy money to play in the bigs… is he that much worse than teahen or kotsay or vizquel or any number of these dickwads they run out there every night? probably not. let him rip.
Kenwo4life=ratings
They are not much better than a quality triple A team (maybe) - what the hell
"ass hole thi is the same line up whit leftys you idiot"
They've made a bigger commitment to Teahen, and Teahen is - and, sadly, will likely remain - a better player.
"With all due respect, that’s a pretty dumb post" - nsam93
i don't think so. the kid is still young
is way above his age level and is having an alright year. Teahen can go back to playing first, right and third like his role should be.
Kenwo4life=ratings
too true
That Williams saw fit to lock Teahen into a multi-year deal prior to him taking a single groundball in a White Sox uniform is further indictment of an organization that relies more on gut than on raw data or even directly observable fact.
signature pending offensive outbreak
Run this lineup for a straight week (I don't care what order you put them in):
C AJ (Santos can play one day)
1B Konerko
2B Beckham
SS Slash
3B Teahen or Nix, really doesn’t matter (just not Omar fucking Vizquel)
LF Pierre
CF Rios
RF Jones
DH Quentin
As unimpressive as that lineup is, it seems to me that it is by far our best, and it would be nice to give it a consistent try (I think know why Ozzie isn’t doing it, but keeping guys healthy/rested for August is not really a priority for me at this point).
If we still suck, or someone (cough, Quentin, cough) breaks in half, sell everything that isn’t nailed down.
by The Actual El Guapo on May 16, 2010 10:29 PM CDT reply actions
I haven't understood all this "rest" either.
and for God’s sake Ozzie get rid of this freaking policy of “if you miss a day, I’m giving you an extra day off for sure.” The Sox have been a critical bat short for a few winnable games this year.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
WTF. What baseball card does he have?
Sox veteran Mark Kotsay admitted before the rain-delayed second game of the Royals series. ’’Because if you put them all down on paper, put the numbers down and throw down the average years for each individual in here and you get that from everyone, you would assume that we would win the division.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
By the way, nice piece Cheat
and I don’t care I want Walker fired anyway. If anything, I just want the blatant stubbornness to end. How this man keeps his job without some supreme court lifetime appointment amazes me.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
firing walker does nothing.
fire guillen and the whole staff. that makes a statement. fire williams. trade buehrle and konerko…. firing walker won’t affect the team- its not like we have the talent the indians had when they fired eddie murray and then turned it around.
Kenwo4life=ratings
i dont care
he should have been gone a long time ago. And I don’t want everybody gone, just better decisions.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
Yes, yes, and yes.
It may not be logical or critical, but he is dead weight, is not expected to improve performance, and sends a good signal that the BS has got to stop.
when i was in 9th grade i was the only one in my entire boys choir to understood my teacher
by BoeJouma on May 11, 2010 5:46 PM EDT
Cowley says Walker should quit "just as the team quit on him."
Walker has been discussed to death. But – if your game plan is to find undervalued assets, some of these guys are gonna need coaching up. GW may be the hardest working man on the team, but those lessons are not sinking in.
Especially since Don Cooper has a list of players he turned around.
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
True
I’m talking over time. Coop got something out of Jenks, Thornton, Floyd, and even Contreras after other organizations had given up.
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
I'm guessing the players just tune Walker out
There’s been plenty of instances where a player has publicly acknowledged the help he’s gotten from Cooper, they know good press helps these guys keep these scarce jobs. I can’t think of one instance of a player doing something similar for Walker, it’s usually him going to Cowley or Gonzales trying to make a case that he’s helping someone. With the seeming annual “Walker must go” noise constantly going around you’d think that at least one player would step up for the guy, but all you usually get is PK damning him with faint praise or something.
Every org has a stooge/s who only keeps his job because of nepotism or some guardian in upper management protecting him. Usually some professional ass-kicker type, fawning over a leader’s brilliance and guffawing at his bad jokes.
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Pods and Konerko have given him strong endorsements
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Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on May 17, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Cowley is so full of it
He’s one of the main folks who wrote the damn articles about Walker. I hate harping on this because I get its just a stupid hitting coach. It just burns me something as simple as this is so hard for them to do. He should have never came back in the first place. What’s done is done. I’m more interested in admitting the mistakes and doing something about it.
This whole fiasco has made me the angriest I’ve been with this organization in a long time. Its just been a complete clusterfuck.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
Lack of promising successors?
Cowley also said the alternative was Gary Ward:
@OneyRoberto There’s always the genius that was Gary Ward – the man who set Aaron Rowand back two years and almost started a mutiny.
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
The fact that Cowley is in favor of anything automatically makes me question its wisdom.
Rarely, if ever, has mankind witnessed such a perfect machine of wrong.
by The Actual El Guapo on May 17, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions
TAEG to the courtesy phone, please. you have a call.
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on May 17, 2010 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
how many times do we have to say this?
read the terms of use. you’re not allowed to discuss the real identity of posters.
by larry on May 17, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I do trade Konerko yes
and fast while his value is high.
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.
by NorthSidePaulie on May 17, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
well, if every player below his career averages could substitute his career ops...
the sox would definitely be a lot better. i actually shuddered when i read that because it occurred to me that kw might have the same thought coming into these seasons.
actually, it kinda explains the carl everett and roberto alomar repeat acquisitions, too.
/repeat shudder
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on May 16, 2010 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions
i pointed this out in a gamethread a few days ago.
but the career OPS angle suggests the offense wouldn’t be very good, too.
you're right. quick call the mariners. we need ken griffey jr and his career .908 back!
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on May 16, 2010 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions
This is about a week old
but it applies to this thread:
(Kenny sings “Goodbye Ozzie”)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCQsg_7VFhQ&feature=player_embedded
by Shoeless In SC on May 16, 2010 11:21 PM CDT reply actions
Rec.
HI I HAVE BEEN DRINKING BEVERAGES
by billyok on Mar 13, 2010 5:22 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
by omnipotent grab on May 17, 2010 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe that offer to send the Sox to Tampa is still open
We can take the Rays off their hands
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Oh Shit!
i feel like the night will tip towards culture, like a big fat black retarded girl on a see saw opposite a midget.
by boyonthedock on May 5, 2010
by South Side Expat on May 17, 2010 1:18 AM CDT reply actions
The most disturbing thing
is this shit play has become a trend.
From 2000 through 2008 the CWS had winning records in 8 out of 9 years, three division titles and a championship. 2007 was the weird outlier, immediately erased by 2008.
But now it looks like 2008 was the outlier, with 3 of the past 4 losing seasons (assuming this season continues swirling away, really going out on a limb on that one) being more indicative of where this org stands. So here we are, in the top quintile of payroll with no farm system and a shit major league roster with minimal tradeable assets and ticket revenues about to go in the tank.
Reinsdorf has some decisions to make. You would think he learned something from letting his loyalty to Krause destroy the Bulls. At least that guy was at the helm for six titles before he let him go.
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the outlier was 2005
but they can’t take it away, ever. i’m grateful and also resigned to the fact that i’ll die without another championship on the south side.
Unless you're 90, I doubt you'll die before the next Sox championship
It took 88 years because of criminal acts, and decades of organizational stupidity.
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
Agreed
They will win again before I die… right now I am more interested in having the Stanley Cup pay a visit (or two or three) to Chicago in the next few years
With the current playoff system - it's pretty easy to get into the post season
If the divisional/wildcard system was in place in the 60’s, the Sox would have been in the playoffs damn near every year.
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
Shit
The other team in Chicago was being called a potential wildcard up until a few weeks ago and they are worse then we are… (I think…)
They look pretty similar to me
sadly enough
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.
by NorthSidePaulie on May 17, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
We both suck
Doesn’t really matter who is better.
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on May 17, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
They should be competing for a fuggin goblet, buncha no good grindy asshats.
sox bumboclot me bloods
by homesickalien on May 17, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
2 teams, 1 cup.
i feel like the night will tip towards culture, like a big fat black retarded girl on a see saw opposite a midget.
by boyonthedock on May 5, 2010
by South Side Expat on May 17, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
and Lebron.
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
I wouldnt have to watch this Sox crap,
next year at this time.
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
You can call 2005 lucky, but I don't think I'd call it an outlier
They were average/good before then and good for one year after. 2006 is the one that hurts the most, that was the best Sox team I’ve seen in my life and they just vanished in August & September. They really haven’t been the same since.
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I watched 06 occur in London
It was even more difficult because I had no idea why it was happening, being unable to see the games.
I could tell it was devastating by the tones in peoples voices when I’d call and ask what was going on.
That team was so good,
they had that swagger where they took the field and knew they were better than you and just knew they’d beat you. Even when they were rolling in 05 it seemed like they were pulling it out of their hats, in ’06 they were just dominating people. That was fun while it lasted.
Not so fun fact – Sox are 308-309 since the All-Star break of 2006.
Taking a sanity day off on Monday is also fun, woohoo, time to vivisect the Sox.
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oops
my math is wrong, I thought that sounded too good. They’re 288-309 since that allstar break, playing in a crap division with a top ten payroll each year.
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Right about top ten
but wrong about crap division every year. 06 the central had 2 playoffs team. 07 had a very good Indian team. 08 was blah. Last year was the only year I can say it was just a plain bad division.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
it just looks like utter crap from the current perspective
because it has three really bad teams in it this year, including the Sox.
And I know stats lie and all, but the Sox have compiled their current record even though they’ve had the luxury of playing KC and Cleveland for one third of their schedule.
No animals were harmed during the making of this comment.
I actually have a ton of time that I have to take off
After I get through this week, I should be good
Time to give Tadahito a call,
and trade for Rowand, Uribe, Garland, and Scotty.
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
its time to start fixing it, and keep on fixing it until its ALL FIXED
His name is Rios and he dances on the sand
Some misplaced blame
I think the new guys (and KW) are taking a bit too much of the blame for this mess.
Pierre has no doubt started slowly, but he is making things happen when he gets on base and is starting to come around. He wasn’t brought here to drive in runs. Teahan is limited defensively, but he’s done about what Williams thought he would do for him which is be a reasonably-priced bottom of the order and serviceable third baseman.
The real reason this team is struggling is due to the severe underachievements of returning players Beckham, Q, A.J. and Kotsay. If these bums were just hitting in the .220-250 range, the Sox would be at least a .500 team right now with the potential to get right back in this thing with their pitching. I cannot remember a team in my lifetime with this many players struggling to reach the Mendoza line this late in the season. It’s re-daggum-diculous!
by Wayne Nordhagen on May 17, 2010 9:20 AM CDT reply actions
no to the batting average part.
if beckham and quentin each had 4 more singles and aj had 2 more singles they would all be batting .220.
also, i don’t consider teahen serviceable.
also, kotsay should not be in the lineup (or ozzie shouldn’t be in the position to have to put him in the lineup) more than once a week plus some pinch hitting opportunities.
hey swisher...........you know.
yes, the word for teahen appears to be sub replacement level.
i certainly hope that isn’t what KW had in mind.
the word that comes to my mind for teahen is incapable. (hilarious that butterfingers is the first listed synonym)
others may prefer to choose from one of the following choices:
INCAPABLE
- 10 of 14 thesaurus results
Main Entry: incapable
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: not adequate; helpless
Synonyms: butterfingers, disqualified, feeble, impotent, inadequate, incompetent, ineffective, ineligible, inept, inexperienced, inexpert, inproficient, insufficient, losing, naive, not equal to, not up to, poor, powerless, unable, uncool, unequipped, unfit, unqualified, unskilled, unskillful, unsuited, weak
hey swisher...........you know.
uncool. this whole damn team is uncool.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on May 17, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
And that's the real tragedy.
sox bumboclot me bloods
by homesickalien on May 17, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
And I thought I couldn't dislike Teahen any more than I already do...
“When White Sox’s Mark Teahen stepped to the plate, the air was filled with the sounds of Bieb’s hit Baby!
Even major league baseball players have Bieber Fever!"
considering how many one-run games the Sox have lost
If just a few of these hits came with runners in scoring position, the Sox could easily have three or four more wins which would put them right around .500. And I’m pretty sure at least one of every Quentin hits usually leaves the yard.
I agree with your point about Kotsay. The only reason he’s been playing recently though is because Quentin sucks so much.
by Wayne Nordhagen on May 17, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
and if they hadn't of pulled 3 games out of there butts vs. Seattle
they’d be 11-25
There opening day lineup says it all, this is the best lineup they could field and this is what they went to war with
Pierre LF
Beckham 2B
Quentin LF
Konerko 1B
Kotsay DH
Jones – PH
Rios CF
AJ – C
Teahen – 3B
Ramirez – SS
One third of that opening day lineup was replacement level stuff they picked off the scrap heap (Pierre, Kotsay, Teahen). On top of that Pierre and Teahen are poor defensively. As Cheat says above, absolutely everything would have had to break right for this team to compete.
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by ChicagoPete on May 17, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
my point is
That if Becks and Q were playing anything close to their preseason expecations,
Becks .280-300, 10-15 doubles, etc. .250-275, 8-10 HR
Q
The Sox would be just fine with the likes of Pierre and Teahan. Not “everything had to break right” for this team to compete, players just had to perform up to reasonable expectations.
Becks should either be dropped in the lineup (for more than one game) or sent down to AAA for some seasoning. Perhaps he was rushed to the Show after all.
I don’t know what can be done about Q.
by Wayne Nordhagen on May 17, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
This thread has one too many Nordhagens.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on May 17, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Back-to-back too!
sox bumboclot me bloods
by homesickalien on May 17, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
any friend of Wayne O is a friend of mine
but, seriously, was “Bill Nahorodny” already taken?
His name is Rios and he dances on the sand
name change?
If I could figure out an easy way to change my handle name to Nahorodny, Harry Chappas or Leo Sutherland, I would. Is there an easy way to do this other than setting up a new account to a different email???
by Wayne Nordhagen on May 17, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions
profile, edit account,
then it says “zip code” for where my name is, so try that for your self and see if it works
Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok
Everyone not on this list is a problem right now
Danks- Sweet consistency
Thornton- Most dominant left handed pitcher in the game today, even if its for one inning
Santos- Looks like he’s a future closer if he keeps it together
Rios- Can’t ask for more out of him, looking like a 5 tool player
Konerko/Jones- Both going to get one more nice contract from someone if they can maintain, so good for them
Everyone else has an OPS under .670 or an ERA above 4.75 (except Randy W. who is walking 13.1 guys per nine innings, so he’s bad too).
"I Don't Believe In Accountability"- Chris Rongey
freddie has been a pleasant surprise.
Really just one bad start this year.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
fine..greater than or equal to..
Data Updated Through May 16 2010
- NAME TEAM LG YEAR AGE G GS PITCHES IP IP Start IP Relief W L SV BS PA AB R ER H 1B 2B 3B HR TB BB UBB IBB SO HBP SF SH ERA SNVA VORP SIERA
2. Freddy Garcia CHA AL 2010 34 6 6 540 36.0 36.0 0.0 2 2 0 0 151 135 19 19 37 22 10 0 5 62 14 12 2 21 0 1 1 4.75 -0.0 3.1 4.97
"I Don't Believe In Accountability"- Chris Rongey
wonderful.
i’m failing to see how getting a 4.75 ERA from a 5th starter would be considered a problem. normally one would consider that spectacular.
is freddy our fifth starter?
unfortunately i don’t think that’s true anymore..but i agree, he’s been ok..i guess it all depends on whether you see him as a fifth starter or not..i think labeling starters with numbers is kind of a fallacy
"I Don't Believe In Accountability"- Chris Rongey
he's the fifth best starter on the team.
and he’s the first starter to get displaced to keep the other four on regular rest.
in general, its useless to label them 1-4, but the 5th starter role gets 5ish less starts per year then the other 4.
Of course he is
Surely you wouldnt take Garcia over Floyd or Buerhle the rest of the year. Bad starts or not. That said I expected the magician to be a pretty decent starter and to Larry’s point numbers like that from a 5 is usually a Godsend.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
I suppose I wouldn't take Garcia over Floyd and Buehrle
but my God Freddy looks a whole lot more effective and (the word I want to use is) confident out there…
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.
by NorthSidePaulie on May 17, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
He oozes it, even in 45 degree weather.
The only race that matters is the race to the bag …
Ernie Harwell
i agree with this.
and i am confident with him out there… not so much for Buehrle/floyd. I am probably more confident in freddy throwing a good one than ANY of the other starters at this point.
Kenwo4life=ratings
Peavy is nasty lately.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
hi, my name is john danks
and i say fuck you, kenwo
Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok
by BoeJouma on May 17, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
well you know what john danks... suck balls.
im not confident in you either really.
Kenwo4life=ratings
you're not confident in the guy who has posted ERAs of 3.32, 3.77 and so far 2.25 in the past three seasons.
makes perfect sense.
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These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on May 17, 2010 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
i think too much like buehrle.
white, lefty… i like hard throwing white righties.
Kenwo4life=ratings
danks is awesome. i've been a fan since he debuted with the sox. i'd prefer he be in a sox uniform for the next 10 years over any pitcher we have.
Cashing checks and having sex.
i literally cannot agree more
Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok
one of my favorite wind up/deliveries in the game
Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok
*and junk-tossing latinos
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on May 17, 2010 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions
i really wish i could slap you in the fuckin mout
of all the things to not be confident in this team, you label john danks as one of them!? have a read.
Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok
come on and do it... and i'll break your nose shortly there after.
i’m not a john danks fan. never have been. he makes me nervous.
Kenwo4life=ratings
actually i take that back..
i never really have been a fan of his…. and he does make me nervous…. but he has been good this year and in 2008. However i still am more confident that freddy will pitch a good game than i am danks.
Kenwo4life=ratings
I luff you John Danks omnomnomnomnomnom.....
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by homesickalien on May 17, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions
If we're gonna trade em
go for young prospects. No more has-been’s or never was’s.
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
i do believe that one of the strongest players currently on the sox roster is a "has-been"
Mr. Andruw Jones? not a fan?
in my opinion, we would be lost without him
Once a Dawg, Always a Dawg. How Sweet it is!
by oneloyaldawg on May 17, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah, wtf.
sox bumboclot me bloods
by homesickalien on May 17, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm all purrs. :p
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by homesickalien on May 18, 2010 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
I really people would stop saying this.
He had 1 fantasic month last year. And wilted from fatigue and being hurt.
He’s in better shape this year and under the care of a great medical staff.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt
Something has to break right for us, no?
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.
by NorthSidePaulie on May 18, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Perhaps
what I should have said was “expensive has-been”. If Jones keeps on producing he’s a steal. I would rather see the Sox do what the Blue Jays did last year by playing youngsters who are now producing for them. Of course if Rios continues like he is that was probably not such a great move, but it did save them a bunch of money.
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
The only older guys they dumped mid season were Rios and Rolen
they still have Vernon and Overbay. They also have legitimate position prospects in Lind and Snyder. So yeah, I’d like to see that too, but we don’t have the personnel.
with coaching, we can turn any young prospect into a never was
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by billyok on May 17, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
on top of all this
I’m catching up on Treme, and this show sucks. There’s not one character that I care about. Quite the opposite, about half I’d like to see booted from the show immediately, especially DJ Davis.
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really? that's been filling up my DVR, but i haven't gotten around to watching any yet. i was hoping that would be good.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on May 17, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I dunno
I just caught up on the past three episodes this morning, I’m not feeling it. The only reason I’ve given this much of a watch is because I’m giving Simon the benefit of the doubt. The plot, what there is of it, is going nowhere. And I find the characters unsympathetic. Replacement level television, like going from the ’05 to the ’10 Whites Sox.
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by ChicagoPete on May 17, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
wow. that's a brutal analogy. i guess i'll skip it.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on May 17, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
It is kind of tough
Some of the main characters are just really obnoxious and like Pete says, a few of them need to go. The younger musician who plays on the street w/ his girlfriend would be a good start.
I’ve stuck with it, just b/c I figure maybe they can get it together, but right now you aren’t missing anything. It’s not John from Cincinnati bad, but it’s no Rome either.
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on May 17, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes, the junkie and his girlfriend can go
John Goodman and his wife are grating too. Bunk’s ex-wife, the bar owner, go away please – go find Daymo, do something useful.
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by ChicagoPete on May 17, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I love the Goodman character
I agree I don’t see much use with the musician on the street. I also enjoy the restaurant owner’s story (no sympathy there for you?)
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
hard to feel sorry for her
when she picks DJ Davis as her boyfriend.
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by ChicagoPete on May 17, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep.
He’s useless too. I don’t mind the Goodman character though. Of course, it may just be that he looks better in comparison to the people on the show that I can’t stand.
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on May 17, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
What about the Chief?
He’s been the most compelling character so far.
by Off the bus running on May 17, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Sigh.... Rome.....
Team Atia vs Team Julia!
Four weeks in and I’m bitter as shit- Teahenny Penny
by DrEmilioLizardo on May 17, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
you can probably wait it out
Simon fans should be willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
It's different...
not just from The Wire, but from any sort of format. There doesn’t seem to be a lot easily defined conflict, but more just people living out their day to day after the storm. However, those individual stories work together to paint a much bigger picture. So in that aspect it is like The Wire, I suppose, but instead of painting a picture of institutions, it paints a picture of community (and the struggle to maintain that community in a big city and after a disaster).
So, yes, the show does occasionally drag, but if you are at all intrigued about New Orleans community it is worth it (and personally I didn’t know I was intrigued until I started watching the show). And just when I thought the show was starting to get a bit overboard drinking the New Orleans kool-aid, last week’s episode did a wonderful job of showing us the dark side of the city.
I love New Orleans
been down there half a dozen times starting back in college. Doesn’t change my opinion of the show.
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by ChicagoPete on May 17, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Wow really?
I enjoy it a great deal. Haven’t seen anything close from a drama standpoint and from their point of view since Katrina. The Wire is well the wire.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
He should have just made a documentary
Like Catbrains says, there’s no conflict. No conflict = no drama. 6 episodes it’s all about rage, rage, rage against some undefined something.
At least with the Sox we can rage against Ozzie or KW or Teabag or Pierre, so there’s cathartic value for the time expenditure.
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by ChicagoPete on May 17, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
blow it up, now!!!!!!!
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by ChicagoPete on May 17, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
i've missed the last few
but don’t we all know that Simon takes his time with this stuff? i agree there’s no real conflict in the traditional sense but that doesn’t mean it’s going to suck or something. in any case, between Homicide, The Corner, The Wire and Generation Kill, the guy has a track record of serious success. you might as well give it some time since it only costs an hour a week.
and why do a documentary when Simon is going to accomplish the same effect with whatever he’s focused on?
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
I've given him 6 episodes to set the table
and I still don’t smell the meat a cookin’
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by ChicagoPete on May 17, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
if the last three don't get the ball rolling
then i’ll let you bail on the ship.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
I would hope so
if I make it through the next three then the season is over.
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Who the hell cares when Breaking Bad is oh so amazingly amazing?
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on May 17, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Or, you can just wait for Simon's latest project.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/new-david-simon-project-to-investigate-happy-upper,17426/
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on May 17, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
there's a name for the complex i must have
to think that show sounds amazing, but i’m not sure what it’s called.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
Maybe it's the caffeine talking but I really think we have a chance to turn it around
Just need better personel which come on, it’s gotta be out there
there’s like 6 billion people in the world and you’re telling me these are the best 25 we can get? i doubt that shit, this is chicago not cleveland
go to japan, let’s see what they got, maybe just buy whichever team is in first place and move them here
maybe elsewhere? probably some great ballplayers who have been forced by India’s caste system to be busboys or pole vaulters or whatever goes on over there
you can’t tell me omar vizquel is the 25th best player we can get
I bet there’s a guy in China somewhere
All-new 24 tonight
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by billyok on May 17, 2010 11:33 AM CDT reply actions 5 recs
need a delightful late 50s clockwork android pitcher
oh and FIRE WALKER.
by thecip on May 17, 2010 11:45 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
roomba would would be a great nickname for a slick fielding 3rd baseman
too bad teahen is an abomination.
if morel makes it
i’m down for it.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
Kenny is losing patience
with the DH by committee that he put together, and his acquisitions – Vizquel, Teahen and Pierre?
Jones was a great acquistion and Rios has finally broken out, but the stars were going to have to align for this team to compete (great starting pitching and decent hitting) which simply hasn’t happened yet.
I don’t think it’s too late to make up ground, but I also don’t think Kenny should be surprised by the results thus far.
Will trading Paulie and AJ save the day…or year? I think not. And enough “fire Walker” talk. It’s nonsense I say…nonsense!
"[Woods] says he’s been playing with a bad neck for about a month and thinks it could be a bulging dick." - Golf Channel reporter Win McMurry on Tiger Woods’ early withdrawal from The Players Championship
Kenny shouldn't be surprised (doh!)
"[Woods] says he’s been playing with a bad neck for about a month and thinks it could be a bulging dick." - Golf Channel reporter Win McMurry on Tiger Woods’ early withdrawal from The Players Championship
I have no doubts that KW will start making some moves probably next month
But what moves are there to make? Do you mortgage the future to add to a team that just might be out of it? Is it worth it? Or do you sell off and build for the next couple of years? I don’t think we can get much for what we have now. If things don’t drastically improve in the next couple of weeks we may be looking at a potential no-win situation here.
They killed Ronnie James Dio too!
When will the killing stop?!
by Shoeless In SC on May 17, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
nice recap of the cover story, 'gater
Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok
sox dem should scout my bloods in the ' trenchtown trippers ' ball team. dem natty dread play baseball
by jah rasta man on May 17, 2010 11:50 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
And we most certainly are an angry mob....
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by homesickalien on May 17, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Start replacing everybody!!
Walker out the door. Get the big hurt out of the booth and let him where Kotsays #7. Call up Brent Morel to play some 3rd. Get Dayan up here to DH and just see what he can do at this level since he is make big league cash. Get Tyler Flowers up here for some DH/C role. Can these guys really be that much worse than what we are getting out of the lineup right now? At least they will be getting big league time.
MERCY!!
by Adam 'Dynasty' Daniels on May 17, 2010 12:09 PM CDT reply actions
Dayan is htting poorly in AAA and you want him to be the designated hitter on the major league team?
just needs to bring his walk rate up.
and wait about 2 years before hes ready
Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok
plus, in 1 game at DH this year
hes fielding 1.000%
Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok
Sigh. I feel like so what....... HQ notes
Chicago White Sox at Detroit (7:05 PM)
Freddy Garcia (17 BPV) doesn’t have the best skill set so far this year (5.3 Dom, 3.5 Ctl, 1.5 Cmd), but he’s gone at least six innings in all but one of his starts, and he’s limited opponents to two earned runs in all but two. The White Sox will take it. Garcia has more wins (16) against the Tigers than any other team in baseball.
Rick Porcello (42 BPV) has poor overall results this year, but a 36% Hit Rate and 63% Strand Rate have had a lot to do with it. His last start, against the Yankees, was his best of the season (7 IP, 4 H, 0 ER), and he’s induced a ton of grounders all year.
Notes: Entering play Sunday, the White Sox were dead last in the AL with a .308 SLG over the past week. Detroit leads the AL in BA against RHP this year. Austin Jackson is batting .388, with 13 extra base hits, against RHP this season.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
Doesn't seem that long ago
That no how bad the team or situation, the AL Central besides the Twins were our bitches. Now we get pasted by the Indians and the Royals.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
my first guess would be Damon
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
You would be correct sir
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
but how many wins above juan pierre
is that?
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
yeah but that's like 47
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
Posted as a public service, much like we had to learn a new language for Hoodie:
http://www.speakjamaican.com/glossary/
Samples:
Baan- Born. A weh ya baan? (Where were you born?)
Baby madda- Mother of a child.
Babylon (bah-bee-lon)- A Rasta word for the police and the corrupt system.
Backside (bok-side)- Refers to someone else’s self, expressed towards another person. A rude way to refer to someone. Move yu backside. (Move your self).
Badda (bad-da)- Bother. Naa Badda mi. (Don’t bother me.)
Bad like yaz- Expression for saying something is really cool.
Bad man/bwoy- Criminal type guy. A really bad individual. Bad man no flee. (Gangsters don’t run away.) Dat a bad bwoy. (That is a gangster.)
Bag juice- The cheapest fruit punch money can buy.
Bait (be-it)- Scoundrel, punk, scum, and these types of people. Ooman naa like bait. (Women don’t like punks.)
Bald head- A Rasta label for one who is too caught up with the evil system—Babylon. Also is anyone who is a non-dreadlocks; usually white people.
The only race that matters is the race to the bag …
Ernie Harwell
Ha...
I had no idea what that guy was talking about. I don’t see Natty though. Your glossary has failed me Chiburb.
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on May 17, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
What is the nickname
for the goofy suburban white kids in my neighborhood sporting dreads and wearing their jeans past their ass, in order to show off their boxer shorts?
"[Woods] says he’s been playing with a bad neck for about a month and thinks it could be a bulging dick." - Golf Channel reporter Win McMurry on Tiger Woods’ early withdrawal from The Players Championship
dis but a sample rude bwoy.
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by homesickalien on May 17, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
bloods ave shine website
http://www.internationalbaseball.org/jamaica.htm
get dem facts and figures dere rude bwoys
by jah rasta man on May 17, 2010 1:03 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
perfectly cromulent post, Cheat
Dave just posted much the same at USSM. if the M’s have to play .600 ball to sniff the playoffs, then I assume we have to do much the same. and if that’s the case, this shit’s over barring a ton of luck. or something.
also: isn’t this the first year in a while that the Sox haven’t had a random breakout pitching prospect they can trade for real talent? it seems in general that the past two years have exhausted Kenny’s reservoir of reclamation projects.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
Sergio Santos is his name, and I for one, would let him go if it brought us 'real' value.
Heresy, I know.
Four weeks in and I’m bitter as shit- Teahenny Penny
by DrEmilioLizardo on May 17, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's say we did have such a player (Poreda or better)
What would we trade for that could make this team a contender anyways? Considering how much we would need to add to this team to be competitive, it seems like one random pitching prospect isn’t going to be enough.
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on May 17, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
we have a position player deficiency long term
and four rotation spots locked up for a while.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
i've quite enjoyed reading dave's tailspin over at ussm.
i’ve got no problem with fangraphs itself, or ussm’s analysis (~80% of the time), but reading this about cliff lee was, i don’t know, annoying:
* Cliff Lee is really good. The strikeout of Wigginton with runners on 2nd and 3rd with one out cut the Orioles’ win expectancy by 9 percentage points. The Wieters at-bat that followed had an even higher leverage index, and Lee induced an easy ground ball with a well-placed change. Cliff Lee is very good at what he does – he’s able to miss bats when he wants to, and he’s seemingly able to get GBs when they’re called for.
seems to me that there are a million ways to say that cliff lee is good without reducing it to “this strikeout of ty wigginton cut the win expectancy.” i don’t know, maybe i’m just petty about the danks-lopez nonsense still.
by Craig Grebeck on May 17, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
maybe a little
isn’t it just a bullet point?
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
Friday, 5/21, 7PM,
Game 3, Sharks at Blackhawks.
I predict another loud pocket of assholes in a sea of empty US Cellular seats.
You can have your religion. Baseball is my placebo.
Maybe they'll show the Hawks on the Jumbotron? Not between innings, but during the game.
The only race that matters is the race to the bag …
Ernie Harwell
I just said to wu that it will be nice to ignore the team for 2-3 hours and toast/drown collective sorrows with fellow fans in that time instead.
Would be even better if the Hawks game was on…
sox bumboclot me bloods
by homesickalien on May 17, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Seeing as we'll be the only ones there
I’m sure they’ll do what they can to help us out.
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on May 17, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
didn't we already pay?
if we aren’t getting money back, then KW’s already taking our cash and finding the next jerry owens.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
I meant that we'd be ignoring them while at the game....
sox bumboclot me bloods
by homesickalien on May 17, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
paying attention to a white sox game
is third on the list after heart disease and cancer.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
The Hawks will have a higher attendance than the Sox; Big Franks says, "no doubt about it."
The real question is, will the US Cellular Bullpen Bar out-draw the US Cellular upper deck?
You can have your religion. Baseball is my placebo.
i would say yes, but the fireworks night will change that.
Good God. That is horrible.~by 67WMAQ
god damnit.~by BuehrleMan
sigh~by Tdogg
This is fuck.~by The Actual El Guapo
reactions to Ozzies lineup 5/14(after an off day)
ooof. Good call.
sox bumboclot me bloods
by homesickalien on May 17, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
he's going to get some quality 40-on-1 time
f’ the rasta lesson. we need to practice our french.
You can have your religion. Baseball is my placebo.
If we all leave the park un-tasered, it will be a small victory for Sox fans everywhere.
sox bumboclot me bloods
by homesickalien on May 17, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
And so the week begins:
Ronnie James Dio is dead. Sigh.
when i was in 9th grade i was the only one in my entire boys choir to understood my teacher
by BoeJouma on May 11, 2010 5:46 PM EDT
by winningugly on May 17, 2010 1:23 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Saw the headline that said "rock legend" but had never heard of him.
Read the story and still said ’who the fuck is that".
No wonder kids hate people your age. Black Sabbath indeed.
The only race that matters is the race to the bag …
Ernie Harwell
As long as it's Patti Page or Pat Boone style of '50s music he'll be fine.
Fuckin’ old white people.
The only race that matters is the race to the bag …
Ernie Harwell
He invented the use of the "devil horns" sign, sonny.
We’ll see how many of today’s musical geniuses are still recognized 20 years from now.
Of course WU and I will be dead, but that’s besides the point.
"[Woods] says he’s been playing with a bad neck for about a month and thinks it could be a bulging dick." - Golf Channel reporter Win McMurry on Tiger Woods’ early withdrawal from The Players Championship
ozzie = sabbath
dio = not nearly as good
Good God. That is horrible.~by 67WMAQ
god damnit.~by BuehrleMan
sigh~by Tdogg
This is fuck.~by The Actual El Guapo
reactions to Ozzies lineup 5/14(after an off day)
Ozzie = The White Sox Manager
Ozzy = Rock God
"[Woods] says he’s been playing with a bad neck for about a month and thinks it could be a bulging dick." - Golf Channel reporter Win McMurry on Tiger Woods’ early withdrawal from The Players Championship
i think now is the perfect time for beckham to change his music to "rainbow in the dark"
double purpose of paying tribute and changing his luck
"I Don't Believe In Accountability"- Chris Rongey
rainbow in the dark
perfect example of how dio mostly sucked.
Good God. That is horrible.~by 67WMAQ
god damnit.~by BuehrleMan
sigh~by Tdogg
This is fuck.~by The Actual El Guapo
reactions to Ozzies lineup 5/14(after an off day)
dee dee dee deee dee dee doo doo dooo
or something..
"I Don't Believe In Accountability"- Chris Rongey
Likely 2011 obligations total ~ 90 million
including Jenks. It’s only 80 if he’s gone, which he probably should be. But that should illustrate that we’re going to see basically the same team in ‘11 as we’re seeing so far.
So that’s 20 million to account for C, 1B, DH and a set up guy. Random set up dude: 2 mil. Flowers is part answer to C/1B, but that still probably means 2.5 real players brought in. Castro would be fine, probably, so let’s say 2 players to acquire with 16 million. You get average-ish players for that rate. That’s basically the same team:
C Flowers/Castro
1B 2 WAR FA
2B Beckham
3B Teahen/Nix
SS Alexei
LF Pierre
CF Rios
RF Quentin
DH 2 WAR FA
SP1 Peavy
SP2 Danks
SP3 Floyd
SP4 Buehrle
SP5 Hudson
SU 5 RAR FA
SU Pena
SU Santos
CL Thornton
Teahen is a dead weight signing unless his bat comes back in a huge way. Anyone else you signed to play 3B would have to be both a lot better and a lot less paid. Pierre is similar. Who knows about Quentin.
It’s pretty clearly not a 90+ win team, which is the corner KW has built himself into. He needs to find some production on the cheap if he wants the Peavy and Rios signings to go unwasted.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
sign freddy on the cheap
and maybe use him in middle/long relief?
Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok
if youre going to move a starter to middle relief
you should at least be paying him $18M a year..
"I Don't Believe In Accountability"- Chris Rongey
by benlinus on May 17, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
also, danks, Q and pena
are arb-eligible after this year, so youd have to factor in that/contract extentions
Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok
already did.
you get 40%/60/80 of your market value if it’s your 1st/2nd/3rd arb year.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
Do we have to trade Floyd (if he turns it around) or Danks?
Is that what it comes down to? Then hope Hudson sticks as a number 3 or 4, and that we can sign a serviceable number 5 on the cheap?
Maybe hope Pierre continues his revival and steals a shit ton of bags to the point a team takes him at the trading deadline, would help a bit I guess.
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on May 17, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
If Q keeps it up - I see him being non-tendered at the end of the year.
I see Vizquel hanging around. With a raise. Because that’s how we do.
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
yeah, that's a possibility
we’d only owe him like 5M though. so you drop him iff you think he’s not ever going to cut it. and that would make me very sad.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
At least I won't need to worry about
flipping back and forth between the Sox game and 24 tonight.
Jack Bauer in full body armor toting automatic weapons…yeeeeeeeees!
"[Woods] says he’s been playing with a bad neck for about a month and thinks it could be a bulging dick." - Golf Channel reporter Win McMurry on Tiger Woods’ early withdrawal from The Players Championship
why do I think you will be in the same tactical outfit as JB, but naked?
Four weeks in and I’m bitter as shit- Teahenny Penny
by DrEmilioLizardo on May 17, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
This was a very, very gay post.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
"With all due respect, that’s a pretty dumb post" - nsam93
They should hire Jack Bauer as the new Sox manager
Anyone who doesn’t improve would be shot.
"[Woods] says he’s been playing with a bad neck for about a month and thinks it could be a bulging dick." - Golf Channel reporter Win McMurry on Tiger Woods’ early withdrawal from The Players Championship
That 1/2 punch at the top gets it done.
This is by far and away his worst year to date. He also isn’t using the bullpen enough. He’s getting worse when you’d think he should be getting better.
Agreed. Putz and Pena should be batting 1/2.
The only race that matters is the race to the bag …
Ernie Harwell
by Chiburb on May 17, 2010 5:23 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
the Sox have had problems hitting with two outs in years past
now they’re guaranteed one early game 2-out ab.
6 out of nine guys in that lineup with a negative VORP so far this year...
but what can you do…the 3 guys who are above 0 are all in the lineup batting 3,4,5 as they should be..
"I Don't Believe In Accountability"- Chris Rongey
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Wake me when 2010 is over.
Never thought I’d miss 2007, but…
"[Woods] says he’s been playing with a bad neck for about a month and thinks it could be a bulging dick." - Golf Channel reporter Win McMurry on Tiger Woods’ early withdrawal from The Players Championship
Ozzie is a f***ing idiot
Think about it, he didn’t even go to college. And he’s in charge of a roster, he should be fired. Drops beckham in the lineup and beckham shows signs of improving but isn’t back yet, so what does he do? Throw him right back up. Then when beckham goes 1-8(although the scorers did rob him of a hit after the game), he flatout benches him. For a guy making beckhams numbers looks good. What a joke
by nsam93 on May 17, 2010 3:19 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
seems like ozzie was smart for not going to college.
you know, that whole made millions as a major league baseball player thing.
Very true
He is a multi-millionare, bit doesn’t mean he deserves to make more, he may know how to play the game, but there are certain parts of being a manager he is not good at.
by nsam93 on May 17, 2010 3:34 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
you wont find too many highly educated minds in a baseball dugout
most have only a high school diploma or much much less if they came from latin america
"I Don't Believe In Accountability"- Chris Rongey
The last number I heard
was 18 MLB players had college degrees. That might have changed a little, but still an incredibly low number.
by Off the bus running on May 17, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Is it that high?
I thought it was single digits. Whatever the number, it’s insane.
"With all due respect, that’s a pretty dumb post" - nsam93
Jeter has 13 degrees by himself, so really, it's only 5 more players.
by The Actual El Guapo on May 17, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Who the hell needs degrees when the average salary is $3.5MM?
Shoeless Joe couldn’t even write his name! Willie Mays graduated high scool! Babe Ruth never got out of grade school! And how many NBA players are graduating? Huh?
If you can make the jack, why go to school?
when i was in 9th grade i was the only one in my entire boys choir to understood my teacher
by BoeJouma on May 11, 2010 5:46 PM EDT
"The unexamined life is not worth living. Douchebag."
(I may have added that last part.)
by The Actual El Guapo on May 17, 2010 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
So you can only examine life through the prism of a sociology syllabus?
when i was in 9th grade i was the only one in my entire boys choir to understood my teacher
by BoeJouma on May 11, 2010 5:46 PM EDT
"Education’s purpose is to replace an empty mind with an open one. OPOS."
by The Actual El Guapo on May 17, 2010 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Given the fundamental factors in place that should support the demand for housing, we believe the effect of the troubles in the subprime sector on the broader housing market will likely be limited,"
Jew.
when i was in 9th grade i was the only one in my entire boys choir to understood my teacher
by BoeJouma on May 11, 2010 5:46 PM EDT
x
when i was in 9th grade i was the only one in my entire boys choir to understood my teacher
by BoeJouma on May 11, 2010 5:46 PM EDT
so i'm doing it right
and they’re all doing it wrong!
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
not even one half of one percent?
jeebus.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
2.4%
18 out of roughly 750 MLB players, assuming they used current 25 man rosters.
by Off the bus running on May 17, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
So, it's either baseball or "Would you like fries with that?"
"[Woods] says he’s been playing with a bad neck for about a month and thinks it could be a bulging dick." - Golf Channel reporter Win McMurry on Tiger Woods’ early withdrawal from The Players Championship
MLBPA
offers tuition assistance to former players. I would guess nearly all high school players have something written into their contracts too.
by Off the bus running on May 17, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Whooshie.
when i was in 9th grade i was the only one in my entire boys choir to understood my teacher
by BoeJouma on May 11, 2010 5:46 PM EDT
Sure they could...but I'm sure they don't
Unless you’re a washout or blow your bankroll and have to get a real job.
"[Woods] says he’s been playing with a bad neck for about a month and thinks it could be a bulging dick." - Golf Channel reporter Win McMurry on Tiger Woods’ early withdrawal from The Players Championship
thought i had already multiplied by 100
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
I'd wager the number of people in a baseball dugout
with something past a bachelor’s is 0. advanced degrees and professional athletes don’t go together as you’re often too busy doing one to have time for the other even if you have the talent for both.
it was, in fact, a joke. a touch of humor riffing off of larry’s comment.. you sir, are a hard man to make chuckle.
I'd hope the trainers
all have advanced degrees.
by Off the bus running on May 17, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
me niether
or that he was a vegetarian
Look I just want to pass my last Microsoft exam and sleep with white women.
by Tdogg on Mar 10, 2010 11:29 PM CST
I'm with MM on this one. Some can pull it off for a while, but eventually
they all think with their pussies.
by Chiburb on May 11, 2010 1:11 PM CDT
by Grinder Rule #42 on May 17, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
It is why he is often described as "analytic" and "cerebral".
I prefer “swarthy” and “vindictive”.
when i was in 9th grade i was the only one in my entire boys choir to understood my teacher
by BoeJouma on May 11, 2010 5:46 PM EDT
can't the latter two just be shortened to "italian"?
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on May 17, 2010 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
That is more efficient, yes.
when i was in 9th grade i was the only one in my entire boys choir to understood my teacher
by BoeJouma on May 11, 2010 5:46 PM EDT
fuck college
Im still paying for it
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
Will you ever stop attending classes to get laid?
Then the bills will stop coming to the mailbox.
when i was in 9th grade i was the only one in my entire boys choir to understood my teacher
by BoeJouma on May 11, 2010 5:46 PM EDT
do venezuelans typically have the opportunity to go to college?
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
I don't think Ozzie made it to eight grade so the question is
high school.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
so the question should read
how many Americans know anything at all about Venezuelans.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
Why should we?
Try to get over there right now. And try to get their citizens out. Have a conversation with folks whose families are there.
when i was in 9th grade i was the only one in my entire boys choir to understood my teacher
by BoeJouma on May 11, 2010 5:46 PM EDT
but i thought Hugo was a man of the people
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
How many Americans know anything about America?
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on May 17, 2010 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
for ozzie, and kw
http://www.worldwidelearn.com/business-course/management-training-course.htm
Look I just want to pass my last Microsoft exam and sleep with white women.
by Tdogg on Mar 10, 2010 11:29 PM CST
I'm with MM on this one. Some can pull it off for a while, but eventually
they all think with their pussies.
by Chiburb on May 11, 2010 1:11 PM CDT
by Grinder Rule #42 on May 17, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Dear Ozzie
I understand Pierre. Really I do. Its typical and doesn’t require a lot of thought. Fast black dude? Lead off man. He’s not particularly good for lead off but whatever. But can you please explain to me WHY THE FUCK YOU KEEP PUTTING OMAR VISQUEL UP THERE. I mean is it the sterling .396 OBP? What’s that you say? AHHH. .396 is his fucking OPS! Late inning defensive replacements DONT NEED AT BATS!!!!!! Whew. I feel better now.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
Dude
you can’t disrespect a veteran by learning what OPS is.
by Gentleman Jim on May 17, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
how come half the people on this site regularly spell omar's last name wrong?
Cashing checks and having sex.
because I don't care enough about him
to look up the correct spelling of his last name. Sue me.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
probably the same reason people say
alisay for alexei, add an N to vicie(n)do, and type it teehen.
theyre just dumb
Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok
that is the correct pronunciation for alexei.
i guess you youngsters never had to deal with the ruskies.
I blame the reality series
The front office and MLB are scheming up a comeback season of epic proportions to build up the drama and boost ratings for the reality show.
A reprieve?
Weather is rainy – and Oz was called by Detroit personnel to tell him stay tuned, could be called.
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
Not sure if you noticed..
But he had Omar Vizquel DH recently, I think he’s already started doing that.
"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times
by Grinder in Training on May 17, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I think that was the day Carlos had a tummy ache
"[Woods] says he’s been playing with a bad neck for about a month and thinks it could be a bulging dick." - Golf Channel reporter Win McMurry on Tiger Woods’ early withdrawal from The Players Championship
by tailgater on May 17, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
2010
Good article my friend, and you’re absolutely right!! I said here over the weekend the only thing that matters the rest of the season is if we win the Crosstown Classic. As far as the roster goes, I think the changes might be starting soon. Just heard an AJ to TEX rumor last nite on CSN. This is really painful to watch, and it doesn’t seem to getting better anytime soon.
Cheat has no friends.
The only race that matters is the race to the bag …
Ernie Harwell
by Chiburb on May 17, 2010 5:28 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
larry said
its the cheat
Look I just want to pass my last Microsoft exam and sleep with white women.
by Tdogg on Mar 10, 2010 11:29 PM CST
I'm with MM on this one. Some can pull it off for a while, but eventually
they all think with their pussies.
by Chiburb on May 11, 2010 1:11 PM CDT
by Grinder Rule #42 on May 17, 2010 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions
but his friends call him
Cheat.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
but we're friends on
Look I just want to pass my last Microsoft exam and sleep with white women.
by Tdogg on Mar 10, 2010 11:29 PM CST
I'm with MM on this one. Some can pull it off for a while, but eventually
they all think with their pussies.
by Chiburb on May 11, 2010 1:11 PM CDT
by Grinder Rule #42 on May 17, 2010 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions
There is a god.
HI I HAVE BEEN DRINKING BEVERAGES
by billyok on Mar 13, 2010 5:22 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
by omnipotent grab on May 17, 2010 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
We don't lose tonight!
when i was in 9th grade i was the only one in my entire boys choir to understood my teacher
by BoeJouma on May 11, 2010 5:46 PM EDT
Great, great summarry, Cheat.
Really makes you wonder about the competence of those running the organization.
Free Jermaine..............., but keep his mitt under lock and key.
I Don't Get It
Maybe I’m nuts, or that no one really reads any of our posts here and that we’re all current or future mental patients happy to live in a great state like Illinois…
I just don’t understand why the Sox bring so many crappy players and unload guys like Rowan, Garland and Pods (among others). Pods hits over .300, for example, but the Sox cut him loose with prejudice. Are those guys sent packing because they aren’t ‘Ozzie Guys’? (including Thome). If so, and KW is in on this, then they both need to go. What they lucked into back in 2005 isn’t working anymore.
The Sox, believe it or not, are just a short and curly away from being the Balitmore O’s.
If you really believe what you just wrote
then YOU aren’t really reading the post here.
"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score
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