This Week in White Sox Minor League Baseball
by larry on May 29, 2010 7:00 AM CDT
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This week:
- Dan Hudson appears to be the only White Sox prospect who wants to have a long major league career. While every other top prospect has massive red flags (Flowers and strikeouts; Viciedo and walks; Danks and strikeouts; Mitchell and injury), Hudson continues to do what he does at Charlotte: 9 GS, 48.1 IP, 50 H, 14 BB, 59 K. That's a K/BB ratio of 4.21. Guys with those kind of numbers - and particularly starters with those kind of numbers at AAA and at his age - tend to have a pretty decent career (barring injury).
- From the department of least shocking news, Jared Mitchell is ahead of whatever arbitrary rehabilitation schedule the White Sox concocted and is now on schedule to play in the Fall Instructional League in September.
- Brent Morel: .322/.369/.433.
- Winston-Salem has some righty relievers putting up some pretty nice numbers so far this year. While they are relievers and also have not yet experienced the herd thinning jump to AA, it's probably a safe bet that at least one of these guys will be showing up on the major league roster in a few years. Dan Remenowsky, the undrafted free agent who absolutely tore through Sally hitters last season, hasn't been quite as dominant in High A but is still striking out hitters at a ridiculous rate: 27.2 IP, 26 H, 7 BB, 39 K. Gregory Infante has been moved to relief and, since he could never develop a third pitch, it was probably a good thing: 24 IP, 21 H, 9 BB, 23 K. Kyle Bellamy, the side-arming righty is doing a great job and should be in Birmingham soon: 23.1 IP, 18 H, 5 BB, 27 K.
- The Dominican Summer League starts today and the White Sox once again are fielding a team. While the lack of investment in amateur free agents means that there aren't any high profile names, DSL alum Miguel Gonzalez is a testament that the White Sox can still find some talent overseas, though maybe only as a result of blind squirrel theory. The roster is here and I'll keep track of the box scores in the update fanpost.
- Dayan Viciedo:.297/.331/.529.
- There are some players who need to be promoted, not so much because they're prospects but because they aren't. They are, however, performing well so it's time to push them to more age appropriate levels to see if they're up to it. One is Justin Greene, a 24 year old CF for the Dash. He is currently second in the Carolina League in OPS with a line of .313/.400/.563. He's regarded as a plus defender and has good speed, though that hasn't translated into a high SB%. While the power he's showing is out of whack with both his career line and his scouting reports, the walk rate isn't. The Barons aren't hitting much at all and their outfield is pretty uninspiring. John Shelby, their more hyped 24 year old CF, has an OBP well under .300 in his second go around in AA. He's not doing anything to justify his spot.
- Tyler Flowers: .220/.325/.455. There's a sizeable hole in his swing and he needs to fill it in some.
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He also won Carolina League Player of the Week two weeks ago
3 Dash in the past 4 weeks. Something to be happy about.
by Shoeless In SC on May 29, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
im little shocked lar
as one of the few who lobbied for time with Dayan considering his age and placement you still appear “blah” with him. Isn’t the walk thing a little over blown right now? I do understand the importance of bbs so you don’t have to go there.
Still a long way to go but that line is wet dream for Sox fans right now from Dayan.
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i don't think it's overblown.
i’m not one to be a cheerleader for all of a team’s prospects. hudson is the only guy right now who looks like he’s pretty darn likely to be a successful major leaguer.
yes, viciedo is young, particularly for his league. that’s why i didn’t write him off after a poor 2009 or a poor start this year. he’s shown that he learns and develops. and that means he’s going to have to either cut or control his strikeout rate (23% or whatever he’s at now tends to balloon in the majors) and start taking a few more walks. judging by what we know of him, he certainly has the capacity to do such things. pointing out a player’s flaws doesn’t mean i’m necessarily down on them. we all need to keep in mind, though, that if he’s a 1B/DH, the offensive bar is set pretty high.
Yeah. His future lies with 3B. Our hopes rest with him at 3B as well.
Regardless, I still think there needs to be a serious focus on 3B and 1B prospects come the draft.
Viciedo has a 5/40 rate right now in 185 PA’s. Over a full season of ~550 PA’s that’s 15/120. Who still wants him to come up now?
Here’s another point on his walking. in 2009 in 540 PA’s he had rate of 23/89. 4 of those BB’s were intentional. That leaves a 3.5% UBB rate. This year? It’s 2.7%. That’s remarkably bad.
by Shoeless In SC on May 29, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
his future lies with 3b?
not happening. dude’s chunky.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
Of all things he can change, weight is the easiest.
He may still grow an inch. 6’0" 210 wouldn’t be too bad.
by Shoeless In SC on May 29, 2010 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
you weren't meant to take that seriously
beyond writing him off as a 3B. none of the reports i’ve read in the past indicate he can do anything except 1B/DH.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
...serious focus on 3B and 1B prospects come the draft...
Yep, then we can move them to the oufield
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focus on good players
like SS and CFs. most every major leaguer was the SS or the CF on their last amatuer team.
Just a cheerleader for some.
T-Flow is used to your pom-pons. And this week we get “He has a large hole. He needs to fill it some.” Like BP needs to fill a certain hole. ;)
God I miss Mitchell.
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by BoeJouma on May 11, 2010 5:46 PM EDT
Shoot, I just saw Cheat's post.
Idaman.
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by BoeJouma on May 11, 2010 5:46 PM EDT
I do not claim to be objective.
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by BoeJouma on May 11, 2010 5:46 PM EDT
Justin Greene - 2-time Carolina Player of the Week
WINSTON-SALEM, N.C. (MAY 24, 2010) – For the second time this season, Winston-Salem Dash outfielder Justin Greene was named the Carolina League’s “Player of the Week” for the week of May 17-23.
Greene hit .345 with two home runs and seven RBI over the course of the week. He was among the Carolina League leaders in several categories: runs batted in (T-1st), home runs (T-2nd), total bases (1st, 20), extra-base hits (T-1st, 5), doubles (T-3rd, 2), slugging percentage (4th, .690), and OPS (5th, 1.034).
With John Shelby having a .284 OBP and 7:42 BB:K ratio it appears Greene really will have a place to play in Birmingham. That was my biggest concern regarding his chances to make it: The organization dedication to Shelby, Danks, and Mitchell. Bring him up! What else does he have to prove? Maybe by year’s end he will be in AAA, and maybe, just maybe, get a September callup. We might have a significantly better Jerry Owens/DeWayne Wise.
by Shoeless In SC on May 29, 2010 10:21 AM CDT reply actions
after i agitated for his callup to winston salem last season
he promptly sucked upon promotion (though, as i alluded to, the walk rate was still good). he seems like a guy who might take time to adjust to a level – which is fine. we’re looking at a guy who has, as you point out, maybe fourth/fifth outfielder potential. he really needs to learn how to steal a base. that could be a difference maker for him. i like how he controls the strike zone but he also has a bit of a strikeout problem.
For a guy with not a ton of power, he does K a bit
Increasing his BB rate and decreasing his K rate is certainly should be on his to-do list. But his speed grades high (86 on baseball cube). Translating that into steals could be his golden ticket.
by Shoeless In SC on May 29, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Larry in your opinion,
who if any, of the White Sox prospects do you see getting a call up at some point before September?
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hudson and torres almost for sure.
a team invariably needs pitching help at some point. position players is a bit more difficult because there really isn’t anyone that good/ready. probably would depend upon any injuries and/or trades. gartrell would be obvious outfield help and lillibridge, though not a prospect, the infield help. viciedo might see time before september, too.
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Re: flowers
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by The Cheat on May 29, 2010 12:32 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
How often are "sizeable holes"
fixed after a player reaches AAA? 25%?
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let's be clear about what we're talking.
he doesn’t need to fix it completely. everybody, except perhaps the most elite hitters, have a “hole” in their swing. the key is to make it as small as possible. another key is to be the sort of hitter, which flowers certainly is, who can punish mistakes or other pitches he can handle. it still have confidence, though not as much as i once did, that he’s more likely than not to be able to hit at the major league level eventually.
wow, confusing.
Would you say a good Flowers comp would be Saltalamacchia?
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by Where Triples Go to Die on May 29, 2010 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Sure he does.
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by BoeJouma on May 11, 2010 5:46 PM EDT
That was my thought.
I was giving larry hell because I know he loves Napoli, and the Napster seems to be blooming this year. Especially last week against my fantasy team.
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by BoeJouma on May 11, 2010 5:46 PM EDT
by winningugly on May 29, 2010 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions
napoli struck out a whole lot in the minors. flowers strikes out a whole lot in the minors. their numbers in the minors are overall similar
seems pretty simple to me.
this made me laugh. totally unexpected. well, i guess not totally, but still.
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by MarketMaker on May 29, 2010 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes larry, Im verry much following your logic but I still think he is going to top Napoli.
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by billyok on Mar 13, 2010 5:22 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
by omnipotent grab on May 30, 2010 3:59 AM CDT up reply actions
I think the name Napoli just scares people off
Because he doesn’t have the reputation of being a good player, but I’d be very happy if “all” Flowers becomes is Mike Napoli. .256/.356/.495 career line with a .365 wOBA. Yes please.
I like the Napoli comp and have used it myself several times.
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by The Big Hurt on May 30, 2010 6:53 AM CDT up reply actions
the saltalamacchia comp doesn't make sense to me
because he was always more about projection than actual performance since he was young for his league. he’s also a paradigm example of a prospect being rushed. flowers has performed well, usually exceeding well, at every level. and he certainly hasn’t been rushed.
Understood
Flowers needs to do what you say he needs to do. Did we really expect to get anything of value for Vazquez? Anything Flowers does is a bonus in my book.
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by Where Triples Go to Die on May 30, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
i'll take it!
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by MarketMaker on May 29, 2010 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions
keep in mind
also that KG and others have spoken of said hole for a while now. it was something they expected to eventually be exposed.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
Great.
Now the 2010 White Sox have killed Dennis Hopper. How many memorial game threads can we have this year?
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I went on a rant about why lucy isn't on the team and castro sucks yesterday...
and castro immediately hit a dinger. I used to get hot at ventura all the time and he had a good knack for shutting me up. brought back old memories :)
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i don't know why that would have shut you up.
donny is probably the best line drive hitter in baseball history.
no no.... I always thought he could be better than what he was-
but he always was very good. I used to wait for him to be one of the best in baseball though- and unfortunately it never happened.
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who were better the better all around 3B while he was good?
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
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Travis Fryman was on par, Wade Boggs, Gary Sheffield, Edgar Martinez, Ken Caminiti, Bobby Bonilla, Vinny Castilla.
Not saying all of these guys were better, but they were all pretty similar in my opinion. Ventura and Caminiti were the best defensively.
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also, your comps are really tough to use.
sheffield was moved to the outfield very early in his career.
edgar was a full-time DH within a couple seasons.
bobby bo was all over the diamond.
so basically, you got 3 guys with huge bats there were just finding a place to play, not 3Bs.
fryman’s best season was at SS and he was a mediocre 3B. ventura was way better.
ventura was also way better than caminiti and castilla.
boggs, well, he was better than ventura, but i don’t think it’s a stretch to call ventura one of the best 3Bs of the 90s. boggs is the only other guy in that convo who will be remembered as a great 3B.
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castilla was decent for maybe four years.
not comparable to ventura.
http://www.baseballprojection.com/war/v/ventr001.htm
robin was one of the best in baseball. you just didn’t know it.
he was better than slightly above average.
id say he was good… he wasn’t great… and he damn sure wasn’t one of the best in baseball.
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you're full of shit.
above average bat and one of the best defenders in the league. his career average was a 4 win season. what more do you want?
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
overrated by whom?
that guy was great and flew under the radar.
he was well above average on both sides of the ball and you didn’t need advanced stats to see that.
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you are definitely the idiot in this case.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
always thought he could hit 300
or 30 homers… or 100 rbi’s… he always fell short.
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The Golden Spike hitting
did not carry over to MLB. I’d have to agree with mick. But he was a damn sight better at 3rd than anything before or since that I have seen.
(And his pummeling at the hands of an OPOS like N. Ryan doesn’t help the legacy.)
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by BoeJouma on May 11, 2010 5:46 PM EDT
thank you for these.
glad to know that a young me knew what he was seeing.
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you get a gold star, ken.
ability to identify the thesis of an article is very important. well done.
So Jack Morris is in the 15th percentile HOF and doesn't get a vote
but Ventura, who is in the bottom 20% is considered (though “not quite”). OK. He was a good player and better than “slightly above average”. Not HOF material.
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by BoeJouma on May 11, 2010 5:46 PM EDT
Work on your humility.
I know. Try. My daughter is learning to rider her bike. You can do it, lar. Keep pedaling.
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by BoeJouma on May 11, 2010 5:46 PM EDT
seriously, this is way dumb
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
he did all of those things at least once in his career
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by NYRoyal on Jan 8, 2010 8:56 AM PST
so the fact that his defense made him as good as an above average shortstop
just gets forgotten about?
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
He had how many good seasons? 2?
I had him on my fantasy team for a season. Ran out of steam fairly quickly. Injured a lot, IIRC.
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by BoeJouma on May 11, 2010 5:46 PM EDT
well it did for the night...
but in reality i don’t think that castro brings anything “better” to the table than lucy does.
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For anybody who enjoys an occasional or habitual sports wager
I think our Sox are a good play tonight at +132. Though W Davis looked strong against us at The Cell he’s struggled a bit of late……and Danks does have a strong history against the Rays.
nice save.
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by MarketMaker on May 29, 2010 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
LOL.
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by BoeJouma on May 11, 2010 5:46 PM EDT
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You, sir, are a disaster.
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