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White Sox Can't Get Out of Own Way. Guillen, Team Face Tough Decisions

We've been here before. The White Sox aren't a whole lot of fun to watch, even when they play "well." 

Last year at this time, I took about a two week break from posting simply because I didn't have anything nice to say, or the Sox had, at the very least, sucked my will to write anything positive. That's exactly where I am again right now, but I feel like I've got a few points to cover...

  • The starting rotation appears like it will round into the group we expected to be getting out of spring training. Gavin Floyd had one of the weirdest starts on memory Sunday. At various times he had his best fastball (maybe ever in a White Sox uniform) and curveball of the season, but never in unison and their availability was tenuous at best. Still, the stuff appeared to be a step in the right direction. Jake Peavy, meanwhile, has figured things out, and John Danks should be a front of the rotation guy as long as his circulation issues don't resurface. Even Freddy Garcia has thrown surprisingly well.

  • One of Ozzie Guillen's best managerial skills used to be his bullpen management. Yet, arguably since the '07 season, he's never quite had the same feel. I'm not going to sit here and criticize him turning the ball over to Jenks in the 9th on Sunday, it's a move every manager in baseball makes. Jenks is his closer. He gets the ball in the 9th with a lead of 3 runs or less. I don't like it. But it ain't changing any time soon.

    Earlier this year I noted that Ozzie was treating Sergio Santos with kid gloves, and he continues to do so, seemingly unable to understand the weapon he currently possesses. Since April 15th Santos' has been given just one game with a leverage index of above 1.0 (average).  In a month, he's been given one big spot to pitch in. That's just a waste of a big arm.

    Meanwhile, he hasn't completely buried Randy Williams who has done nothing this season to hold onto his roster spot. Guillen's desire to keep that second lefty (and the lack of non-Daniel Hudson viable replacements) keeps Williams job safe, and maybe Bobby Jenks' too. Guillen has indicated he intends to have a discussion about closer duties with Don Cooper, but I'd guess that his desire to be able to use Thornton to matchup against lefties late in the game will result in status quo (albeit with a shorter leash). There's no denying Jenks hasn't even been one of the Sox top 3 or 4 relievers, so it's not like Guillen would have a hard time finding a superior replacement. Now the question comes, does he have the guts to trust his own?

  • We all know Kenny Williams isn't one to sit idly by and watch his team flounder. He figures to be aggressive on the trade market to bring in more major league talent (though one could argue he had the opportunity to do so this off-season and ended up with Mark Teahen and Juan Pierre). The elephant in the room, however, is money. The Sox left some cash on the table when they flirted with Johnny Damon and told Jim Thome to go shove it (we're going to bring in a different type of one dimensional player). Attendance is down, not just for the Sox, but for all of baseball. Fan interest is down.

    Jim has been calling some of these plays and losses "fan-murdering." As I stated at the start, they've challenged me to maintain any excitement about the season. If there was a team in baseball that really needed a hot start, who needed to run out to a first-place position (instead of 8 games back) it was the White Sox. We can talk all about trading for Adrian Gonzalez or Lance Berkman, but if the Sox aren't competing, the fans aren't gonna show up -- and who can blame them after what we've seen this season? And if the fans aren't going to show up, they aren't going to have the money to keep those big bats around. 

    At this point all you can do is hope the Sox keep the roster as it is, have Ozzie get a little more creative with the bullpen and hope the rotation kicks it into gear. Because the alternatives are either a future-mortgaging trade (both in terms of money and talent given up) or a fire sale of soon-to-depart veterans; and the latter doesn't seem all too likely given Williams' history at the helm.

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soooooooo

you’re saying there’s a chance

Praise Him!!

by Hawk is God on May 9, 2010 8:04 PM CDT reply actions  

quote fial

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on May 10, 2010 1:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's...

“So you’re telling me there’s a chance”

Get it right or pay the price! (from Salute Your Shorts fame)

by Shoeless In SC on May 10, 2010 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hope, much like my pecker, springs eternal.

however, much like my pecker, is much ado about nothing.

Just a Rip-off of the Actual El Guapo, but a fake not funny one.

by DrEmilioLizardo on May 9, 2010 8:08 PM CDT reply actions  

A few notes on the attendance...

…A winning team is the best marketing effort. BUT – the White Sox commercials for this year are downright awful. It’s every fricking baseball cliche slammed into 30 seconds. It’s bad. Like “South Side Board of Tourism” bad. After Juan Pierre ends a rally with a weak grounder to the second baseman, there’s nothing worse than seeing a commercial that tells you to buy 30-40 dollar tickets to baseball games because Juan Pierre RUNS TO FIRST BASE REALLY FAST!!!

Thanks to my place of employment, I get to hear the Cubs radio ads at least 10 times a day. They do a very good job of capturing the enjoyment, excitement, and anticipation of going to a baseball game.

Isn’t that what we talk about all winter long? Why not run a bunch of ads that talk about the experience of going to USCF. The ride up the escalator, the smell of grilled onions, the opening riff to Thunderstruck. That would make me more likely to shell out money for tickets, than the fact that Jake Peavy plays catch with Mark Buehrle.

Watching this flameout for the past five weeks has been a disheartening fucking situation, to quote a famous baseball manager. I don’t want to pay to attend games anymore (but if someone offers, I wont’ say no).

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on May 9, 2010 8:11 PM CDT reply actions  

This site has dropped in participation significantly in the past few weeks,

I’m not inocent of this, but it’s just hard to stay comitted to watching a sub .500 team.

Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''

by OznCoop on May 9, 2010 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

bwah!

You must be 'this' tall to ride the diastema.

by homesickalien on May 10, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

sigh

"A brief but trenchant analysis of Scott Podsednik

He’s dogshit."
by NYRoyal on Jan 8, 2010 8:56 AM PST

by U-God on May 9, 2010 9:13 PM CDT reply actions  

This 2 game series vs the twinks is HUGE

We do well and morale will sky rocket

Sig seemed to be bad luck for Beckham, so i am changing it too...
THE ENTIRE TWINS 25-MAN ROSTER TO THE ALL STAR GAME!!!!!

by nsam93 on May 9, 2010 9:15 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

It's JUST that easy!

It’s not robbing Peter to pay Paul — it’s bludgeoning Peter to death, and then realizing on the way back that you forgot to grab his wallet.

by SonOfCron on May 9, 2010 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

one of my prouder moments

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on May 10, 2010 1:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Make this fucker green.

Excellent, homophobe.

I am more prone to be inquisitive to promote discussion.

by winningugly on May 10, 2010 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Flagged for usage of an adearing nickname towards a hated division rival.

thats like calling the Cubs, C*bbies.

Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''

by OznCoop on May 9, 2010 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Flagged for use of 'adearing'

you endearing motherfucka you!

Just a Rip-off of the Actual El Guapo, but a fake not funny one.

by DrEmilioLizardo on May 9, 2010 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh...um, yeah.

Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''

by OznCoop on May 10, 2010 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

i'm glad i'm not the only one

Opening Day was a blast and was followed by a string of fan murdering games that I watched intently. The offense is just so bad that when the opposing team takes a lead, I normally go do something else. The worst part is when it’s a tie game late and you can feel pretty confident that you are in for an extra-inning loss.

by shaftr on May 9, 2010 10:04 PM CDT reply actions  

"Who the fuck is Dallas Braden"

ask A-rod.

"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score

by Tdogg on May 9, 2010 10:29 PM CDT reply actions  

dont make DB angry.

you wont like DB when he’s angry.

"the worst thing about this team is going to be the manager." - Ozzie Guillen, USA Today Sports Weekly

by e-gus on May 9, 2010 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

love that he threw a perfect game!

suck it, arod

This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training

by Jack M on May 10, 2010 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Did Jenks throw anything other than a fastball?

1. He fell behind in the count
2. He threw nothing but fastballs

They aren’t hard to hit if you know what’s coming, unless it’s Thornton on the mound.

This is the point in the season when I cancel my mlb.com subscription and stop paying attention because I can’t stand it.

by striker on May 9, 2010 10:46 PM CDT reply actions  

you are truly great

This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training

by Jack M on May 10, 2010 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

onward

indeed. onward. pure posting and the solid truth… i too will continue to watch even though the sweet swing of donny lucy has departed… sorry y’all, i think i blew the game yesterday. watched us get lose get lose get the lead…. then went to a second-line-parade after the 7th….and like a fool, checked mlb.com on my phone and watched the dreaded blue-ball ‘in play, run(s)’ came across…but it was HBO in real life joyful misery…cheers…

by scatterjazz on May 10, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Here is some good news

Just think of all the White Sox rumors that will be out there during the trade deadline!

by striker on May 9, 2010 11:05 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

This.

I was just thinking the same. Whether the Sox are anywhere within reach of the central come july or not, at least my interest will be piqued.

by Shoeless In SC on May 10, 2010 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

the one thing about this twins series i am not looking forward to

is the shitty fucking camera angle that i constantly see on the highlights. its too high/far away. don’t like it.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on May 9, 2010 11:09 PM CDT reply actions  

i dont like the non-offsetted-ness

fuckin minnesota

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on May 10, 2010 1:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's the one thing?

Not facing a to-date vastly superior division rival in their home park? The shitty camera angle might make the destruction easier to manage. Talk about die hard.

Like drinking poison, like eating glass.

by Teahenny Penny on May 10, 2010 2:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm looking forward to the camera angle

I’d like to have some idea if its a strike or not. Off and to the left cameras mean i have no clue and spend most of the game trying to figure out the angle of offset.

by coffeepac on May 10, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ah, the center field camera.

Yeah, I like the straight-on shot, though it takes a bit of getting used to. I’ve seen a lot of far above home plate views, and assumed that’s what BJ was talking about.

Like drinking poison, like eating glass.

by Teahenny Penny on May 10, 2010 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

does the dallas braden perfecto

damper the buehrle one last year? maybe damper isn’t the best word…. but i am kind of disappointed someone got another one that quick after buehrle.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on May 9, 2010 11:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Same here.

Against the Rays no less!!

HI I HAVE BEEN DRINKING BEVERAGES
by billyok on Mar 13, 2010 5:22 AM CST reply actions 1 recs

by omnipotent grab on May 9, 2010 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kinda disappointing,

not to take anything away from Braden. There was no Wise catch, though. Or presidential phone call.

Like drinking poison, like eating glass.

by Teahenny Penny on May 10, 2010 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

yes,

it pissed me off when I saw that he did that.

Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''

by OznCoop on May 10, 2010 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Time for GB to visit the minors

He needs to get away from Ozzie and Walker – after being there the last 2 day an watcching him, he is completely lost. He’s flaying at pitches, not fully alert on the field. Poor guy looks lost out there. Amazing how this organization can screw up players. Maybe he can try pitching next. He still can’t turn a DP correctly, surprised he hasn’t been taken out yet

"ass hole thi is the same line up whit leftys you idiot"

by Brush Back on May 9, 2010 11:50 PM CDT reply actions  

The kid has probably never been in a slump in his lifetime.

It’ll be good for him. (Going to AAA). Some here want to think we had Chase Utley-lite one day and Danny Richar the next. He’ll be okay.

by Shoeless In SC on May 10, 2010 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

it might be good for him...

or it could be a horrible disaster. I would give him every opportunity possible before doing that.

However, he has made me sick this year. I loved him with all my heart and he paid me back by hitting under .200?? Hell hath no fury like a kenwo scorned.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on May 10, 2010 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Drop the kid down in the order

This should of been done a while ago. If anything bring Hrinak or a roving hitting instructor here to give him a different voice. If Beckham goes down, Ozzie is just going to feed us a daily diet of Omar Vizquel hitting 2nd. That will do wonders for the offense.

by southsideirish71 on May 10, 2010 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

The way he's playing I don't think a drop in the order will help

I mean he is just out there lost – I saw a throw come in to him that he almost did not catch because his mind was elsewhere. He made solid contact once in the 7 or 8 bats I saw him make – the rest just looked like he was throwing his arms at the pitches. He’s not seeing the ball, when he does hit it, its like weak bunts

"ass hole thi is the same line up whit leftys you idiot"

by Brush Back on May 10, 2010 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

our faith is being tested

only the loyal and righteous will witness the rebirth of our Savior.

by jimmyjr on May 10, 2010 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Blown saves are bad enough, but what's most demoralizing

is that the young offensive core – Beckham, Quentin & Ramirez – has been absolutely horrible. You can’t have these guys just disappear for 6 weeks of the season. You’ve got to build around something. You can cry for KW to clean house and get rid of Jenks & AJ, and then…?

Not only does the present suck, but the future looks pretty bleak too. Quentin in particular looks like he’s completely lost whatever he had in ‘08, and you can’t use his health as an excuse.

No animals were harmed during the making of this comment.

by ChicagoPete on May 10, 2010 6:20 AM CDT reply actions  

Beckham = lost now

I think a massive slump can help his development process. He was so good last year, that we forget he’s 24.

Quentin and Ramirez are pulling out of their funk. Esp. Carlos. More walks than strikeouts, and balls in play are starting to fall for hits. He had a pretty good series.

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on May 10, 2010 6:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying they won't pull out of it

But collectively they’ve been useless. These are the guys you want to count on to carry the team in the future? You’ve got to have some confidence that they’ll be consistently productive. If one, or even two, had been slumping yeah whatever it happens. But for all three to vanish at the same time?

No animals were harmed during the making of this comment.

by ChicagoPete on May 10, 2010 6:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I dunno

I don’t want to pull the chemistry card, but maybe it’s a matter of clubhouse leadership. JD and Thome are gone. I’ve heard Konerko isn’t very vocal, especially when he’s struggling. AJ doesn’t sound like the most nurturing personality around.

Maybe there’s something in the air.

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on May 10, 2010 7:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

It could be worse

2005 isn’t that distant a memory, and you can’t take that away mercy

No animals were harmed during the making of this comment.

by ChicagoPete on May 10, 2010 7:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

What happened in 2005

All I know is I’ve payed a lot of money to see crap in the last few years…

"ass hole thi is the same line up whit leftys you idiot"

by Brush Back on May 10, 2010 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

I refuse to believe that,

There is still a lot of solid veteran leadership on this team.

Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''

by OznCoop on May 10, 2010 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're right...

For all three to vanish smacks of something a little too coincidental… There must be a conspiracy afoot!

by Shoeless In SC on May 10, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have been clamoring to move Beck down for awhile

I know at a certain point that Ozzie can’t move everybody down but he has to be fluid. Konerko, Jones and Rios need people on in front of them period.

Im not concerned with Q. He’ll be fine. The 3 hits were nice but pretty much all his underlying stats are good.
15% walk rate. 85% contact rate he just has a shitty hit rate 19% and should explode soon. Folks in none Sox leagues should be trying to trade for him right now.

I just have to live with Alexei’s slow starts and simple errors every once in awhile, because he has saved more runs with that mitt and I love watching him play short. He has mad range and a great arm. In a year or so I think he’ll be either the best or second best defensive SS in the bigs. Its nails on a chalkboard for me to hear callers say “move him back to second…”

"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score

by Tdogg on May 10, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

you can have him in our Sox league if the price is right.

I do like his BB/K ratio.

The Sox problem is they dont have anyone worthy of hitting at the top of the order right now.
Every option is bleak. Im really tired of seeing Pierre come up with the bases full. Talk about fan murdering…

"the worst thing about this team is going to be the manager." - Ozzie Guillen, USA Today Sports Weekly

by e-gus on May 10, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

CQ looked real good yesterday?

Alexei is starting to look better too to be honest. Their numbers were so bad for so long that it’s going to take a while before they look respectable but I think they will be alright.

"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times

by Grinder in Training on May 10, 2010 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

If there were ever more damning evidence against Walker

it’s that you’ve got three talented young hitters all in a deep funk, and he’s incapable of fixing them. The youngsters aren’t going to tune you out like a veteran might. So whatever he’s been doing to try and help them out of their slumps, it ain’t working.

No animals were harmed during the making of this comment.

by ChicagoPete on May 10, 2010 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think it's a given Walker is useless

But I think I disagree about them not being fixed. Both Alexei and Q have looked better recently.

"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times

by Grinder in Training on May 10, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

i thought so...

Maybe Walker is incapable of fixing more than one person at a time.

Honestly, I like what Seattle did:

Sometimes just the same message from a different messenger sometimes carries some weight, but it’s certainly apparent we’re not doing what we should be doing offensively,” Zduriencik said. "Certainly guys can look within and they should. Every single player here should evaluate themselves and ask, ‘What am I doing? Where are my contributions at?’ I know the effort is there. There’s no question about that. It’s just a matter of the production.

So maybe there’s a little key here the new guy can unlock.”

by Shoeless In SC on May 10, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

despite the poor offensive numbers, I'm not seeing the calls for his head (at least not compared to other years)

I think people now believe he’s Hitting Coach For Life, and he shant be fired.

His name is Rios and he dances on the sand

by Nordhagen on May 10, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't see the reasoning

behind the CWS insisting that a hitting a coach can’t do much.

If an athlete as talented as Tiger Woods gets useful input from his swing guru to tweak his mechanics to help him hit a stationary object, then I suspect someone having a projectile spinning in at 90+/mph from 60’ (less the pitcher’s stride) might benefit from expert coaching.

If it’s a guy like Kotsay or Pierre who’s sucking it up, well yeah. But when you’ve got talented hitters up and down the lineup struggling and looking lost, why they feel the need to be so protective of Walker is beyond me.

It’s not like the offensive struggles this year are an outlier either.

No animals were harmed during the making of this comment.

by ChicagoPete on May 10, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

up and down the line-up?

we’re talking 3 batters most, the others are old dogs

by onlysoxfaninbasel on May 10, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Of talented players

Only Beckham shows no signs of getting out of his slump. Rios, Konerko, Jones are playing much better than we could have hoped for. Alexei and Q both have been playing better lately. The other guys just suck, Pierre, Kotsay, Vizquel, Teahen.

Considering how well the middle 3 are playing, I doubt if everyone regressed to their means (both ways) we would be doing that much better. We have a bad line up. A few guys playing extremely well, a few guys playing poorly, but overall we’re just bad. No hitting coach can make this lineup good.

We’re not in the clubhouse, he’s been here a long time now, clearly they don’t think the hitting coach is the problem. I realize putting any trust in a team that planned on Kotsay and Pierre starting is not smart, but I’d think they would know better than us, if the hitting coach was doing a poor job. I think people too often blame Walker on us having a bad team. You can’t make guys like DeWayne Wise or Mark Kotsay good at baseball.

"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times

by Grinder in Training on May 10, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

He didn't fix Rios

Rios did it in the summer remember? All Walker did was “see” five swings and “knew” Rios was ready. The man is a GOD.

"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score

by Tdogg on May 10, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Closer Solution:

I say the Sox do away with the term “closer”. They’ve already proved this year with the rotating DH situation that they are willing to get inventive. I’m not suggesting a rotating “closer-role”, but I think the Sox should use Thorton and Santos as needed against they’re left – righty counterparts. Jenks should be moved out of the ninth inning for good, I have seen enough in the past 2 days to convince me of this.

Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''

by OznCoop on May 10, 2010 8:40 AM CDT reply actions  

The past two days have been brutal...

But he’s been a little off since the beginning of the season. I actually had high hopes after seeing his velocity return. I guess with a return of velocity he has lost control.

Honestly, this is probably something Coop can fix, if he puts in the time and effort with him, and Jenks listens to him.

by Shoeless In SC on May 10, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't shy away from it.

I actually thought about that last night too. Closer by committee gets a negative rap but I’m not opposed to using Thorton, Santos, Putz and Jenks in interchangable roles with Matt getting the highest leverage work.

"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score

by Tdogg on May 10, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

We already have a "DH by Committee" so why not the same for a closer?

What’s the difference at this point.

Being down by 10+ games is just around the corner, so what the hell.

"[Woods] says he’s been playing with a bad neck for about a month and thinks it could be a bulging dick." - Golf Channel reporter Win McMurry on Tiger Woods’ early withdrawal from The Players Championship

by tailgater on May 10, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't trust Jenks

and neither should Ozzie. Combine that with a team that appears just as an anecdote, to leave an enormous number of base-runners stranded equal a season of total disaster.

"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain

by phastphil on May 10, 2010 10:34 AM CDT reply actions  

racist

"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score

by Tdogg on May 10, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

The 2007 White Sox killed Merv Griffin

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on May 10, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

The 2009 White Sox killed Michael Jackson

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on May 10, 2010 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

The 2010 Sox have already killed Lena Horne.

Who knows what October will bring.

I am more prone to be inquisitive to promote discussion.

by winningugly on May 10, 2010 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

interesting article on a metric "The Little Things", WPA / LI

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/2010-team-little-things-five-weeks-in/

White Sox have a Little Things of -0.18. Worst is Red Sox at -2.98, and best is Braves at 2.15. So, pretty average.

This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training

by Jack M on May 10, 2010 11:24 AM CDT reply actions  

Even after all this suckishness...

…the Indians and Royals have managed to be even suckier. Amazing.

"[Woods] says he’s been playing with a bad neck for about a month and thinks it could be a bulging dick." - Golf Channel reporter Win McMurry on Tiger Woods’ early withdrawal from The Players Championship

by tailgater on May 10, 2010 11:33 AM CDT reply actions  

Perhaps "sad" or "brutal" would be more appropriate

"[Woods] says he’s been playing with a bad neck for about a month and thinks it could be a bulging dick." - Golf Channel reporter Win McMurry on Tiger Woods’ early withdrawal from The Players Championship

by tailgater on May 10, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

surprise surprise

We are on pace for a Floyd outing. Let the resurrection begin!

"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score

by Tdogg on May 10, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I also find myself demanding this.

You must be 'this' tall to ride the diastema.

by homesickalien on May 10, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Golden?

FFS. He’s a ginger. HSA told me the carpet matches the drapes.

I am more prone to be inquisitive to promote discussion.

by winningugly on May 10, 2010 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

No way..

Everybody’s already doing that, I might as well buy an Ed Hardy shirt if I just want to follow the crowd. Need to get original for the outing.

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by Grinder in Training on May 10, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Could this become a between-innings promotion...presented by Trojan?

Call Brooks Boyer!

"[Woods] says he’s been playing with a bad neck for about a month and thinks it could be a bulging dick." - Golf Channel reporter Win McMurry on Tiger Woods’ early withdrawal from The Players Championship

by tailgater on May 10, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

As long as they shoot them from the t-shirt canons.

Or roll out a big ass Magnum from center field.

Like drinking poison, like eating glass.

by Teahenny Penny on May 10, 2010 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Meanwhile, on the South Side, Rios is leading a trio of resurgent sluggers that also includes Andruw Jones and Paul Konerko. If the rest of the roster (outside of Danks) didn’t totally suck so far, this team would actually be looking pretty good. After a big day yesterday (4-for-4 with a walk, a double and a home run), Rios’ line is up to .324/.361/.604 on the year. Like with Byrd, he’s posting easily the best contact rates of his career, and he’s maintained a walk rate near his 6% career mark. But his power is back (6 HR, 1 3B, 11 2B in 29 games) and he appears to have made some legitimate adjustments at the plate. He’s swinging and missing significantly less even though he’s swinging more often than before, reflecting a distinctly different approach than the one we saw last fall. He’s taking very few first-pitch strikes, his 46% mark is the third-lowest in the majors. He’s hitting the ball into the air more often again after hitting the ball on the ground 43% of the time last season, that mark is down to 35% of the time this year. Oh, and he’s already stolen 9 bases this season, which makes him one of game’s more interesting power-speed players. ZiPS now projects Rios to finish the year with a .364 wOBA, about 18 runs above average per 600 plate appearances. And like with Byrd, his limited defensive numbers have been quite good this year, with +4 marks in both UZR and DRS. He’s been good for 1.8 fWAR, easily the best on the team.

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2010/5/10/1465725/the-resurgent-center-fielders-of

by larry on May 10, 2010 2:24 PM CDT reply actions  

So because everyone called it a failure after a 150 or so abs last year

can we now call it a genius move after 119? lol. Rios has really been fun to watch this year.

"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score

by Tdogg on May 10, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

most of us didn't

There were a few. Most of it came from outside. It was a joke at SSS and regression in general.

"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score

by Tdogg on May 10, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm even starting to lose hope in the BABIP theory of unlucky as hell.

Guys like Pierzynski and Pierre who are world class throwback hackers who can consistently make horseshit contact and get paid extremely well for it should go back to the 1960’s and 70’s where they belong.

by dantesox on May 10, 2010 2:44 PM CDT reply actions  

why?

Its actually headed up.

"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score

by Tdogg on May 10, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well...

then let’s have it translate into wins and help ourselves a bit…(are you there , Ozzie?)…..like bringing up Flowers and taking some ab’s away from Pierzynski and sitting Pierre a tad more and/or hitting him ninth.

by dantesox on May 10, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

They scored 7 runs yesterday..

The offense did their part.

"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times

by Grinder in Training on May 10, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I pummeled AJ in April

Time to leave him alone.
May line .286/.355/.536

I love Flowers, always have from the beginning, but Flowers doesn’t have a spot right now and unless they are going to sit Pierre (not happening) its no use bringing him up.

"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score

by Tdogg on May 10, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Indeed.

"Who are you, Don Cornholeone??"

by RWShow on May 10, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Soreness increases

Griffey headed for the pasture?

He could lose his job as the left-handed designated hitter within the week. He might lose his position on the 25-man roster nearly as soon. If you want to see Griffey in a Seattle uniform again, watch him on television this week.

It could be your last chance.

His name is Rios and he dances on the sand

by Nordhagen on May 10, 2010 2:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Griffrey already retired

thats a ghost

"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score

by Tdogg on May 10, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I heard he was sleeping in the clubhouse during the game?

Outstanding.

This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training

by Jack M on May 10, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

griffey is one of those players - i guess one could just say people - who have trouble sleeping.

he’s been doing this for years. lou piniella used to joke about it back in his first mariners stint.

by larry on May 10, 2010 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Was just browsinf Keith Law's chat last week....

“you could probably get Alex Gordon for 60 cents on the dollar.” Kenny’s type of move. I know, we’ve got the great Mark T. Intriguing and Kenny-like, that’s all I’m sayin.’

by dantesox on May 10, 2010 3:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Plus....

Walk had a similar lefty stroke, so I’m sure he could help him tremendously.

by dantesox on May 10, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

why not just buy longoria's contract

and throw some extra money to TB? throw them teahen, nix, and some minor league dude

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on May 10, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

obviously its not going to happen

but would a teahen, jordan danks, and morel/retherford do it? we’d buy the contract, and if need be pay half of teahens?

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on May 10, 2010 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

go on

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on May 10, 2010 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

OK.

You are an idiot. Longo is one of the most valuable players for his price – per this:

Unsurprisingly, the so-called best contract in baseball, Longoria’s agreement with the Rays, sits on top. Even as his service time escalates, his salary will not escalate nearly as much as other players, thanks a team-friendly deal he signed soon after reaching the big leagues.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=10800

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by winningugly on May 10, 2010 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

He was my first fantasy pick.

So, yes.

I am more prone to be inquisitive to promote discussion.

by winningugly on May 10, 2010 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mine too. I just traded him for Haren and Soria.

I have an awful pitching staff. My “ace” is Jaime Garcia. Yeah. Lilly, Blanton, Edwin Jackson, Mike Pelfrey, Ricky Romero, Wade LeBlanc, Wade Davis… it’s crap. I’ve got Adam LaRoche and Pablo Sandoval handling 1B/3B duties. I had to do something.

by Shoeless In SC on May 10, 2010 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

no. but why not shell out a non-ridiculous offer

for a ridiculous player that we know is good, rather than paying some dumb price (whether thats via trade or actual cash) for a player who has potential not only to be just decent, but potential to suck some nasty balls.

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on May 10, 2010 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think there is any package we can put together for Longoria.

Should probably just stop that dream right now.

However, I don’t think Alex Gordon would take much. Teahen, Nix, and a pitcher would likely do it.

by Shoeless In SC on May 10, 2010 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

That is funny.

Can they throw in Pods?

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by winningugly on May 10, 2010 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

hahahaha at least you were trying

i guess i came off as ultra convincing? everyone jumped on my ass.

WHOA FOLKS. right after we get longo, we get prince for 4 years, 36 million.

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on May 11, 2010 1:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I knew he was joking.

i feel like the night will tip towards culture, like a big fat black retarded girl on a see saw opposite a midget.
by boyonthedock on May 5, 2010

by South Side Expat on May 11, 2010 3:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

The leaderboard

Hottest hitters in May:

Alex Rios, Juan Pierre, AJ, Andruw Jones

Most walks:

Carlos Quentin, Gordon Beckham, Paul Konerko

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on May 10, 2010 4:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Don't try to fool me with your... facts!

You still can’t make me believe Juan Pierre is a good hitter!

by Shoeless In SC on May 10, 2010 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fred Lewis ?

Looks like my post in December to get Fred Lewis from SF insted of Pierre was right on. He would look ten times better in LF and lead-off than the weakling who can’t hit a ball out of the infield. Why didn’t KW listen to me ?? My other suggestion in the post was dump AJ and pick up Doumit from Pittsburgh. This could still happen if we throw in Torres or R. Williams w/AJ. Come on Kenny – Let’s make some deals and give us some hope and something to watch the rest of the summer.

by teepee14 on May 10, 2010 4:56 PM CDT reply actions  

and the Sox want another catcher

why again?

"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score

by Tdogg on May 10, 2010 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dunno. Doesn't make a whole lotta sense

Getting Flowers and Doumit on the field at the same time might be hard. Both would struggle to be an average DH. I’m not against dumping AJ, but getting another catcher in return seems a bit silly. Lucy, Castro, and maybe eventually Phegley are decent enough backups. Unless he proposes moving Flowers to 1B or DH?

by Shoeless In SC on May 10, 2010 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

sigh

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on May 10, 2010 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Someone at Brookfield Zoo has a sense of humor-

Naming one of there new baby goats “Cubby.”

Super cute video

i feel like the night will tip towards culture, like a big fat black retarded girl on a see saw opposite a midget.
by boyonthedock on May 5, 2010

by South Side Expat on May 10, 2010 5:28 PM CDT reply actions  

"Super cute video"

don’t tell me. you’re one of colin’s roommates.

by larry on May 10, 2010 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

HOLYMOTHEROFCHRIST!

That is the superest cutest thing I have ever seen and I want some.
Thank you.

You must be 'this' tall to ride the diastema.

by homesickalien on May 10, 2010 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really cute.

That may have convinced me to get some land and some goats.

My dad had this great idea when I was young and we lived on 6 acres of open grass. His solution to paying me or someone else to cut the grass (A 6 hour enterprise) was getting goats and letting them eat the grass. Never went through with it. My mom said no :)

by Shoeless In SC on May 10, 2010 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

That is the idea behind the goats for rent here in Seattle... to clean up blackberry bushes and lawns in general. I am planning to rent some for my birthday party this year. heh...

I’ve always seriously wanted a goat and I plan to have the proper property someday to make that dream come true. :)

You must be 'this' tall to ride the diastema.

by homesickalien on May 10, 2010 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is this Elton John?

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by winningugly on May 10, 2010 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Before you were born,

wen he had music that was worthwhile, he was quoted when asked about his sexuality that he “drew the line at goats”.

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by winningugly on May 10, 2010 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

*when*

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by winningugly on May 10, 2010 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

They also don't like to BAAAAAAAArgain.

i feel like the night will tip towards culture, like a big fat black retarded girl on a see saw opposite a midget.
by boyonthedock on May 5, 2010

by South Side Expat on May 10, 2010 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Flagged

For obvious reasons.

Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death

by Hazymania on May 11, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

So what you're telling me is...

… the goats have a chance. ;P

i feel like the night will tip towards culture, like a big fat black retarded girl on a see saw opposite a midget.
by boyonthedock on May 5, 2010

by South Side Expat on May 11, 2010 3:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Awesome.

"Who are you, Don Cornholeone??"

by RWShow on May 10, 2010 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

opera in the park, eh?

you cultured son of a bitch.

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.

by thatshortkid on May 10, 2010 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

German scat porn.

Interesting. Whatever floats your boat.

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by winningugly on May 10, 2010 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fuck that kid.

You must be 'this' tall to ride the diastema.

by homesickalien on May 10, 2010 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh jesus, my! I forgot who I was talking to!

Just an expression, wu.

You must be 'this' tall to ride the diastema.

by homesickalien on May 10, 2010 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Heh.

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by winningugly on May 10, 2010 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Joel Zumaya walked his first 2 batters of the season today.

He had 23 Ks and no BB. Not a bad start for the fire baller.

"the worst thing about this team is going to be the manager." - Ozzie Guillen, USA Today Sports Weekly

by e-gus on May 10, 2010 9:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Fire baller.

Base baller. Basket baller. Knuckle head.

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by winningugly on May 10, 2010 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Guitar Hero

It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted

by Scotty Ballgame on May 10, 2010 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gentleman lover?

"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah

by Ozzie Montana on May 10, 2010 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

why has no one brought up Contreras?

he has pitched quite well from the pen, imagine him in replace of williams, or maybe he stops sergio from comming up but we all know ozzie would at least use him in high leverage situations. Having Jose would help us, no matter what. That’s a good way to spend 1.5 mil (his contract) for 1 year. Better than Thome, and better than Kotsay.

"There's too many (bleeping) guys on the computer. It's simple. I say that. Pete Rose never watched a computer. Rod Carew never did. All those hitters, they go out and see the ball, hit it and move on." - Ozzie

by usualsuspect on May 10, 2010 11:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Giving away 1.5 million to Wyclef's charity

Is a better way to spend it than giving it to Mark Kotsay.

"A common mistake made by baseball fans is to call a pitcher unhittable when that pitcher is not Matt Thornton." - Hardball Times

by Grinder in Training on May 11, 2010 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have been waiting for this

I didn’t dare. I am a known Contreras apologist….. In the limited time we saw him in the bullpen here he was quite effective. I will always have a soft spot in my heart for Jose.

"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score

by Tdogg on May 11, 2010 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

we agree!

i love the contra man

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on May 11, 2010 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is Contreras pitching lefty now?

In Ozzie’s world, you can’t replace a lefty reliever for a righty. HANDEDNESS PEOPLE!

It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted

by Scotty Ballgame on May 11, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Saturday was the first game I've been to this year

Actually it was the first game I’ve been to since 2008. With that being said it was kind of hard to get excited about a game in which the offense scored 7 runs because it should really be the norm instead of the exception.

by MS22 on May 11, 2010 2:11 AM CDT reply actions  

It isn't so much that they scored 7 runs

as much as how they scored them. Saturday’s game, as well as Tuesday night’s game against the Twins is what this team was supposed to do. String along a few hits and walks and capitalize on mistakes. Get the big hit when needed. This garbage of scoring 2 runs on 4 hits each night is nauseating.

by MS22 on May 11, 2010 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

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