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Dark Days, Bright Nights: An Atlanta Braves Preview

ATLANTA - JUNE 19:  Chipper Jones takes a little time mid-game to practice for his post-MLB career: Olympic Shotputting.  (Photo by Kevin C. Cox/Getty Images)

A brief look at an opponent we play this week.

Offense: A potential lineup: Martin Prado-2B, Jason Heyward-RF, Chipper Jones-3B, Brian McCann-C, Troy Glaus-1B, Eric Hinske-DH, Yunel Escobar-SS, Melky Cabrera-LF, Gregor Blanco-CF.  Bench: Omar Infante-IF, David Ross-C.

Sox fans, welcome back to the real world.  The Atlanta Braves are coming into town riding a 5-game win streak and gain the benefit of the designated hitter.  Meet our litmus test.  Martin Prado is the man who made Kelly Johnson expendable.  He also has magic powers.  Prado has already mashed to the tune of 2.6 WAR so far, on the strength of his .373 BABIP.  He turns 27 this season, so the jump in his numbers aren't untrustworthy.  His OPS should remain north of .800 for the next few seasons.  Jason Heyward is the other National League East rookie who is making baseball look way too easy.  The man-child hit a monster homerun in his first at-bat and hasn't really slowed down since.  ZiPS expects him to come down to Earth a little bit, but I don't.  25 homeruns as a rookie is pretty nice, especially for someone who can't legally drink.  Its either going to be him or Stephen Strasburg who wins the NL RotY award.  Please do not throw this kid fastballs.  He murders them (14.5 wFB).  Chipper Jones is contemplating retirement after this season.  Larry, please don't.  I'm not ready for all the greats from my childhood to hang up their cleats.  It makes me feel old and I do not like it.  Amongst active hitters, he is third in WAR.  When he does decide the game has passed him by, he'll enjoy enshrinement a mere five years later.  His BABIP is considerably below his career norm, but this is to be expected somewhat in aging hitters.  He still has an amazing eye (19.1% BB% currently), but his power has begun to abandon him (.136 ISO).  His defense has also suffered, but he should still be able to remain at worst an average player for another year.  He should leave on his own terms.  Brian McCann is the best catcher in the senior circuit, and it isn't even really close (sorry Miguel Olivo, I know your history).  Even though his BABIP and AVG are down, his wOBA is only .009 below his career norm.  Is this likely to be a down year for the 26-year old?  Yes.  Will he bounce back?  Yes.  Our fast gentlemen on the basepaths should take advantage of his mediocre throwing abilities though.  His bat is still nothing to be trifled with.

Star-divide

Troy Glaus seems to have regained his formerly sweet swing (.382 wOBA).  This is good, because his defense at first has been terrible.  He provides a nice middle of the order presence and will easily be worth his 1 year deal.  He's doing a great job holding down the fort for Freddie Freeman.  The Braves clearly have lofty thoughts of the post-season, as they signed Eric Hinske.  And as we all know, Eric Hinske brings the rings.  He has been on Boston, Tampa, and New York's teams that have made it to the World Series.  Can he bring Atlanta back to the promised land?  If he keeps hitting at his current godlike pace (.397 wOBA), the answer is yes.  Of course, he can't keep this up, but he does offer a nice option for DHing, giving Glaus a day off, or playing the corners in the outfield.  Yunel Escobar had a great season last year (4.3 WAR).  This season, not so much.  His BABIP is down and his power is nowhere to be seen.  Unless he's hiding an injury, his power has to bounce back somewhat.  His defense has been stellar though.  Melky Cabrera was pretty much a throw-in part of the Javier Vazquez trade.  His bat is just about as worthless as always (.293 wOBA), and he has not looked good in left over the past two seasons.  The Melkman is officially nothing more than a fourth outfielder, though injuries will occasionally result in him becoming a starter.  Gregor Blanco has exactly one major league homerun.  He isn't as fast as he used to be, but walks a good deal and plays below average defense in center (though he hardly gets an playing time, so caveat emptor).

Pitching: A potential rotation and closer: Derek Lowe-RHP, Tommy Hanson-RHP, Tim Hudson-RHP, Kenshin Kawakami-RHP, Kris Medlen-RHP, and Billy Wagner-CL.

The only reason the Braves list Derek Lowe first on their depth chart is his large, cumbersome contract.  Lowe hasn't been good since 2008, and still has two years left on his contract.  His BB/9 are escalating and he's beginning to get less groundballs.  Lowe throws a high-80s sinker, a changeup, a slider, and the occasional cutter.  His sinker is his only plus pitch left.  Tommy Hanson, meanwhile, is the future ace of the team.  The 23 year old was worth 2.6 WAR in a mere 126.2 innings last season.  He currently has a 3.07 K/BB and will be the first pitcher we see.  He has a mid-90s fastball, a slider, a curveball, and a changeup.  All four possess the ability to be plus pitches, especially his fastball and 12-6 curve.  Hudson is not having nearly as good a season as his 2.34 ERA would indicate.  His FIP is 4.37.  His K/BB is 1.21.  And this is with a .234 BABIP.  Ick.  The end is fast approaching for Timmy.  Hudson throws a low-90s fastball, a slider, a splitter, a curveball, a cutter, and a changeup.  I believe that makes him somewhat of a junk-baller.  His sinking fastball is still working for him.  Kenshin Kawakami is a fun name to type.  He is also a capable back of the rotation guy.  He's 35, so there really isn't anywhere to go but down from here.  He throws a high-80s fastball, a splitter, a curveball, and a cutter.  Apparently he has a fan section that dress as geishas at Braves' home games.  Kris Medlen moved out of the bullpen and into the rotation after Jair Jurrjens made his way to the disabled list.  Medlan has good control (4.08 K/BB) and seems to be handling the transition well.  He throws a low-90s fastball, a solid changeup, and a curveball.  Billy Wagner decided to put off retirement for another year to close for the Braves.  He'll pick up his 400th save sometime soon, potentially in this series.  The lefty still throws in the mid to upper-90s, and has a slider and a changeup.  His fastball and slider are still plus pitches.  See WU, some old people still provide value.

Outlook: I like our hot streak, but the Braves are probably better than us.  1-2 series.

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Me and 3 of my buddies are planning on getting there around 5 to get tickets at the box office

We are just looking for outfield seats (right center field) or upper deck behind home plate. I know we might see some more fans with them playing better, but we should easily get seats right?

by nsam93 on Jun 21, 2010 11:09 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

uh, yeah. you could probably bring 5k buddies without issue.

and if you get there at 5, you should go to gate 2 and then you and your buddies should be able to buy cheap seats and then sit outside at the bullpen sports bar. bring a case of beer and that’s the economical way to get drunk and have good seats.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Jun 21, 2010 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Where is your DC fanpost review?

Man, when BP gets done with the cleanup, they need to send him down there. The amount of sand in his vagina could easily restore half the gulf.
by South Side Expat on Jun 8, 2010 1:17 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 22, 2010 6:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

between him and justjc there shouldve been at least one if not two

or did you two share one of those presidential suites they were offering for $95 a head to saturdays game

Look I just want to pass my last Microsoft exam and sleep with white women.
by Tdogg on Mar 10, 2010 11:29 PM CST

I'm with MM on this one. Some can pull it off for a while, but eventually
they all think with their pussies.
by Chiburb on May 11, 2010 1:11 PM CDT

by Grinder Rule #42 on Jun 22, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Threw an addendum on there for you GR42

I live here though, so it wasn’t a big trip for me though.

"Yes, I am impatient. Yes, I am frustrated. But yes, I still do remain confident that this team is the team that can still challenge for the division championship and hopefully beyond. We've got a lot of good pieces, we just need to all come together and we'll be just fine."

- Kenny Williams

by justjc on Jun 22, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

ha, thanx

you wouldnt race as lincoln? cmon

Look I just want to pass my last Microsoft exam and sleep with white women.
by Tdogg on Mar 10, 2010 11:29 PM CST

I'm with MM on this one. Some can pull it off for a while, but eventually
they all think with their pussies.
by Chiburb on May 11, 2010 1:11 PM CDT

by Grinder Rule #42 on Jun 22, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh I would,

I wouldn’t scream at the guy hoisting his kid to watch the mid-inning entertainment.

"Yes, I am impatient. Yes, I am frustrated. But yes, I still do remain confident that this team is the team that can still challenge for the division championship and hopefully beyond. We've got a lot of good pieces, we just need to all come together and we'll be just fine."

- Kenny Williams

by justjc on Jun 22, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

huh?

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Jun 22, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

thats some front page material (48 hrs ago...timing mm timing!)

and i think we were thrown off by the rr

Look I just want to pass my last Microsoft exam and sleep with white women.
by Tdogg on Mar 10, 2010 11:29 PM CST

I'm with MM on this one. Some can pull it off for a while, but eventually
they all think with their pussies.
by Chiburb on May 11, 2010 1:11 PM CDT

by Grinder Rule #42 on Jun 22, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, it would have fit better right after the series, but i wasn't gonna write on my trip.

and last night was the first time i had a few minutes to piece together a coherent account of the evening.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Jun 22, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

no worries

 “Lee Harvey, you are a madman. When you stole that cow, and your friend tried to make it with the cow. I want to party with you, cowboy. But the two of us together? Forget it!”

Look I just want to pass my last Microsoft exam and sleep with white women.
by Tdogg on Mar 10, 2010 11:29 PM CST

I'm with MM on this one. Some can pull it off for a while, but eventually
they all think with their pussies.
by Chiburb on May 11, 2010 1:11 PM CDT

by Grinder Rule #42 on Jun 22, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

for what day?

Dan Patrick- "Why is this affecting you?"
Jeremy Roenick- "Its the Chicago Blackhawks man."

by e-gus on Jun 21, 2010 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

all of them... see new RR post.

"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat

by South Side Expat on Jun 21, 2010 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

rec'd

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jun 22, 2010 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

pussy.

i think we are going to sweep these candy asses too.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jun 21, 2010 11:38 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Nice writeup

The Braves haven’t been very good against lefties this year, so that’s definitely something to keep an eye on.

"Sharks have a week dedicated to Jason Heyward."

by Scott Coleman on Jun 22, 2010 2:38 AM CDT reply actions  

Until you had to go and say something. GOSH!

If we get our asses handed to us this series it’s on you.

"I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production." - Ozzie Guillen
"I'd rather have Rios hit 50 home runs than steal 50 bases. I want to win." - Servant2LordBeckham

by Servant2LordBeckham on Jun 22, 2010 4:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah way to go assface.

Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jun 22, 2010 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

As a fan of baseball...

I think it’s pretty cool to see 3 highly rated prospects in consecutive series with Alvarez, Strasburg and now Heyward. That guy is a beast, that home run he hit off of Zambrano is still in orbit.

I think this series will determine if this recent run is for real or if it really was just bad competition. The pitching match-ups look tough, I’d bet that each game is decided by 1 or 2 runs.

by MS22 on Jun 22, 2010 5:12 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm pretty sure this series is no more indicative than any other.

It’s 3 games of 162(3?).

Taking 1 of 3 (if) wouldn’t mean the last 11 were a mirage.

I will not let readers of this site turn it into a festival of rudeness-Al Yellon (at his Cub fans).

by Chiburb on Jun 22, 2010 6:13 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Agreed.

Even if it was two fairly weak National League teams that they just swept, winning streaks like that are hard to come by. They have momentum, and maybe even a bit more confidence now. But there is still work to be done. A sweep of the Twins or Tigers sometime in the near future would be a mighty fine boost. But of course I’d gladly accept a 2 out of 3 series win as well. For the moment though, the enemy is the Atlanta Braves. This momentum the team has built over the last couple of weeks has been created through fantastic starting pitching (Which was the plan all along, right?). Hopefully Danks can continue that trend tonight.

"I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production." - Ozzie Guillen
"I'd rather have Rios hit 50 home runs than steal 50 bases. I want to win." - Servant2LordBeckham

by Servant2LordBeckham on Jun 22, 2010 6:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

I believe you forgot to mention seeing the biggest prospect of them all

The Brown Bear himself, the one who conquers and eats, The Cuban Pimptank, Jackin’ Dayan Viciedo.

by Grinder in Training on Jun 22, 2010 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hahahahah, nice.

rec’d.

Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jun 22, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

haha win

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jun 22, 2010 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is wu the Night Man?

It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted

by Scotty Ballgame on Jun 22, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

WU is like Landsman in the Wire

but with the Troll Toll.

I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.

by colintj on Jun 22, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

It would have been nice if the Marlins weren't such cheapskates

and we could have seen Mike Stanton play during the methup not that I would have remembered what he did that night

It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted

by Scotty Ballgame on Jun 22, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

I seem to remember this story

The underperforming Sox come to life against the National League. Are they for real? Is it a fluke? They need to play a real good team to be sure.

Of course, the year was 2009 and the team was the Los Angeles Dodgers

If things play out the same way, I predict a 2-3 record against the Braves and one dead 80’s pop star.

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Jun 22, 2010 6:20 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

2 of 3

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Jun 22, 2010 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

NO NOT RALPH MACCHIO

"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 22, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good job, PF.

Man, when BP gets done with the cleanup, they need to send him down there. The amount of sand in his vagina could easily restore half the gulf.
by South Side Expat on Jun 8, 2010 1:17 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 22, 2010 6:38 AM CDT reply actions  

Pork Fondler.

Was a DJ in DesMoines in the ’60s.

I will not let readers of this site turn it into a festival of rudeness-Al Yellon (at his Cub fans).

by Chiburb on Jun 22, 2010 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Power Forward.

He got his sports mixed up I think.

Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jun 22, 2010 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pig fucker.

He’s a veterinary student. Do the math.

Man, when BP gets done with the cleanup, they need to send him down there. The amount of sand in his vagina could easily restore half the gulf.
by South Side Expat on Jun 8, 2010 1:17 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 22, 2010 10:41 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

eff yes!

ITHOUGHTGAZELLEWASGOOD -Trooper

by homesickalien on Jun 22, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Excellent.

Man, when BP gets done with the cleanup, they need to send him down there. The amount of sand in his vagina could easily restore half the gulf.
by South Side Expat on Jun 8, 2010 1:17 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 22, 2010 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

there is a midfielder in the german

‘soccer’ team called schweinsteiger. which means ‘pig sticker’.

by craigws on Jun 23, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

He is an excellent footballer, also.

Man, when BP gets done with the cleanup, they need to send him down there. The amount of sand in his vagina could easily restore half the gulf.
by South Side Expat on Jun 8, 2010 1:17 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 23, 2010 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

pussy feeler

clearly

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jun 22, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sox beat reporter Joe Cowley

sitting in on Chicago sports radio WSCR this morning.

670 AM in the Chicago area or online at:

http://wscr.cbslocal.com/

Click “listen live.”

"They're a bunch of choir boys that I wouldn't want to be in a foxhole with." - Sun-Times reporter Joe Cowley on the lack of toughness of the 2010 White Sox

by tailgater on Jun 22, 2010 6:52 AM CDT reply actions  

I just called in and asked about the possibility of adding a left-handed power bat.

Cowley seems skeptical.

"I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production." - Ozzie Guillen
"I'd rather have Rios hit 50 home runs than steal 50 bases. I want to win." - Servant2LordBeckham

by Servant2LordBeckham on Jun 22, 2010 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd imagine if we get it down to 3 games back or closer

For now we’ve still just gone on a tear against 3 of the worst teams in baseball. I can’t imagine that’s convincing enough to give up prospects quite yet.

by Grinder in Training on Jun 22, 2010 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

dont fuck with dejesus

if we can get him on the cheap. hes not super powerful but he’s consistent and comes from the left side where we need the help. i think the royals can keep him for 6 mil or let him go.

Look I just want to pass my last Microsoft exam and sleep with white women.
by Tdogg on Mar 10, 2010 11:29 PM CST

I'm with MM on this one. Some can pull it off for a while, but eventually
they all think with their pussies.
by Chiburb on May 11, 2010 1:11 PM CDT

by Grinder Rule #42 on Jun 22, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

DeJesus recently made my Yahoo! 12-team league.

He’s been ungodly hot the past few weeks. He’s better than Pierre both short-term and long-term. If he could play RF and not lose any ground on his fielding, why not put him there now and move Quentin to DH. The Sox could do a whole lot worse than make that move.

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 22, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

how about move Q to Durham? Call it a rehab stint?

Heresy, I know. Granted he has more RBI’s with the worst average than anyone ever, but I just hate seeing him at the plate lately.

"On, on, on, on, on, on... Television!"- Spooky Lou Pinella

by DrEmilioLizardo on Jun 22, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nit Picker.

I meant so he can work with Crash Davis and Ebby “Nuke” LaLoosh

"On, on, on, on, on, on... Television!"- Spooky Lou Pinella

by DrEmilioLizardo on Jun 22, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

"how did he ever get hit by 8?"

I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.

by colintj on Jun 22, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Well, he really hit the shit outta that one, didn't he?"

"I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production." - Ozzie Guillen
"I'd rather have Rios hit 50 home runs than steal 50 bases. I want to win." - Servant2LordBeckham

by Servant2LordBeckham on Jun 22, 2010 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I do kind of like DeJesus

But Jesus I feel so disappointed by recent deals with the Royals (not that they’ve been helped by them either).

Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.

by NorthSidePaulie on Jun 22, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hold out, let Q try to get his groove back and go for Jayson Werth in the offseason if he can't

I think it took Derek Lee more than year to bounce back from a wrist injury as well. They can really sap your power for an extended time apparently.

"Yes, I am impatient. Yes, I am frustrated. But yes, I still do remain confident that this team is the team that can still challenge for the division championship and hopefully beyond. We've got a lot of good pieces, we just need to all come together and we'll be just fine."

- Kenny Williams

by justjc on Jun 22, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

yah i was gonna mention that the deals with them havent really worked out

as my memory is blurred with the likes of mcdougal and now teahen, but then i remember dye.

i for one think that playing for an organization like the royals seriously has to be a mind fuck, and that there is some juice to be squeezed from “type A” players after the transition to a better team/market, but until that happens with teahen, i need to start second guessing myself, and say only if sweet deal is offered that dejesus should be acquired

Look I just want to pass my last Microsoft exam and sleep with white women.
by Tdogg on Mar 10, 2010 11:29 PM CST

I'm with MM on this one. Some can pull it off for a while, but eventually
they all think with their pussies.
by Chiburb on May 11, 2010 1:11 PM CDT

by Grinder Rule #42 on Jun 22, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think having a player on our team with "jesus" in his name

will help our fortunes tremendously, sweet deal be damned

This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training

by Jack M on Jun 22, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's done wonders for the Royals all these years.

Jesus Flores has really kept the Nats going too.

"Yes, I am impatient. Yes, I am frustrated. But yes, I still do remain confident that this team is the team that can still challenge for the division championship and hopefully beyond. We've got a lot of good pieces, we just need to all come together and we'll be just fine."

- Kenny Williams

by justjc on Jun 22, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

May restore the powers of Savior and Q!

The holy trinity…yes!

It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted

by Scotty Ballgame on Jun 22, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

No way, once we idolize them

They turn to shit. See Beckham, Gordon and Quentin, Carlos

"Yes, I am impatient. Yes, I am frustrated. But yes, I still do remain confident that this team is the team that can still challenge for the division championship and hopefully beyond. We've got a lot of good pieces, we just need to all come together and we'll be just fine."

- Kenny Williams

by justjc on Jun 22, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

God is clearly upset and punishing us for our idolatry.

When will we learn? If this fandom leads me into Babylonian or Roman subjugation and exile, my wife is going to be so mad.

"Yes, I am impatient. Yes, I am frustrated. But yes, I still do remain confident that this team is the team that can still challenge for the division championship and hopefully beyond. We've got a lot of good pieces, we just need to all come together and we'll be just fine."

- Kenny Williams

by justjc on Jun 22, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

this won't be idolatry!

maybe dejesus is the second coming!

This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training

by Jack M on Jun 22, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

The second coming involves the Earth melting away and judgement.

Very little time to play right field for anyone with that kind of schedule.

"Yes, I am impatient. Yes, I am frustrated. But yes, I still do remain confident that this team is the team that can still challenge for the division championship and hopefully beyond. We've got a lot of good pieces, we just need to all come together and we'll be just fine."

- Kenny Williams

by justjc on Jun 22, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

hahaha VG

This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training

by Jack M on Jun 22, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmmm

Buggin' Out: "Yo, Sal, we're gonna boycott your fat pasta ass."
Sal: "You're gonna boycott me? You haven't got the *balls* to boycott me. Here, here's your boycott, up your ass, you've got a boycott."

by Tdogg on Jun 22, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmm... a Jim Thome-type hitter? Real Cheap?

oh…wait.

"On, on, on, on, on, on... Television!"- Spooky Lou Pinella

by DrEmilioLizardo on Jun 22, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Heyward

His homerun is the longest in the Majors this year according to Hittrackeronline.

by weavebeast on Jun 22, 2010 8:26 AM CDT reply actions  

Don't they just basically guess?

I can’t imagine the distances are incredibly accurate.

Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jun 22, 2010 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's actually a fairly good guess

The best kind of guess one can make based on data available. When you account for wind, pressure, temperature, angle of trajectory, ball velocity, etc it just becomes a math formula.

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 22, 2010 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Huh, interesting.

I’d like to see whoever does it calculate it out. Unless it’s just a computer or something.

Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jun 22, 2010 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

It wouldn't be too hard

I mean they know where the camera is positioned, so then they can just figure out the velocity and arc, and just use some basic assumptions on the wind. It’s not going to be exact, but I’d think they can get pretty close without too much trouble.

by Grinder in Training on Jun 22, 2010 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Look at this blast:

http://www.hittrackeronline.com/historic.php?id=1946_2

Ted Williams’ 1946 blast, reportedly the longest estimated HR in a game. That truly is a monster shot.

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 22, 2010 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

I saw glenallen hill hit his 500 ft HR

"There's too many (bleeping) guys on the computer. It's simple. I say that. Pete Rose never watched a computer. Rod Carew never did. All those hitters, they go out and see the ball, hit it and move on." - Ozzie

by usualsuspect on Jun 22, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

8 words for ya

Joe “five hundred and motherfucking four foot” Borchard

It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted

by Scotty Ballgame on Jun 22, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why did we ever give up on that boy

Oh wait, he sucked.

"Yes, I am impatient. Yes, I am frustrated. But yes, I still do remain confident that this team is the team that can still challenge for the division championship and hopefully beyond. We've got a lot of good pieces, we just need to all come together and we'll be just fine."

- Kenny Williams

by justjc on Jun 22, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thorndog.

ITHOUGHTGAZELLEWASGOOD -Trooper

by homesickalien on Jun 22, 2010 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks U God

I’d take 1-2. The Braves are a very good team.
The swing and best game is oddly the first one.

If we get 3 good pitching performances that would be awesome.

Buggin' Out: "Yo, Sal, we're gonna boycott your fat pasta ass."
Sal: "You're gonna boycott me? You haven't got the *balls* to boycott me. Here, here's your boycott, up your ass, you've got a boycott."

by Tdogg on Jun 22, 2010 9:08 AM CDT reply actions  

Accuscore has us winning this one.

Hmm. I think they didn’t factor in the fact that Danks has no idea how to win.

Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jun 22, 2010 9:16 AM CDT reply actions  

Thats the Chicago way

Buggin' Out: "Yo, Sal, we're gonna boycott your fat pasta ass."
Sal: "You're gonna boycott me? You haven't got the *balls* to boycott me. Here, here's your boycott, up your ass, you've got a boycott."

by Tdogg on Jun 22, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

i am digging all these movie references today!

blues brothers, untouchables, big lebowski

This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training

by Jack M on Jun 22, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

lol

My life has evolved into that of a movie critic lately. I think Im watching 7-8 a week now. Been watching a lot of foreign films lately catching up.

I very much enjoyed John Woo’s international 2 disc feature Red Cliff.
I also finally saw Infernal Affairs the original that Departed was based off. After seeing it (and it was very good) I think Martin did an admirable job at staying to most of the original story. I also think his enhancements added depth to some of the characters. I still believe Leonardo was robbed and should say fuck the academy moving forward.

Buggin' Out: "Yo, Sal, we're gonna boycott your fat pasta ass."
Sal: "You're gonna boycott me? You haven't got the *balls* to boycott me. Here, here's your boycott, up your ass, you've got a boycott."

by Tdogg on Jun 22, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

robbed himself, didn't he?

he got nominated for blood diamond that year, if i’m not mistaken.

whitaker won that year, right?

Lurking since 2006

by boyonthedock on Jun 22, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, while you're on that topic.

I’ve been watching lots of movies lately too. I d/led A Prophet and Old Boy. Seen either? They’ve had outstanding reviews.

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 22, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

no i havent.

ill look for them

Buggin' Out: "Yo, Sal, we're gonna boycott your fat pasta ass."
Sal: "You're gonna boycott me? You haven't got the *balls* to boycott me. Here, here's your boycott, up your ass, you've got a boycott."

by Tdogg on Jun 22, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

old boy is good

Dan Patrick- "Why is this affecting you?"
Jeremy Roenick- "Its the Chicago Blackhawks man."

by e-gus on Jun 22, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Z"

From the acclaimed political film maker Costa-Gavras (Amen, Missing, Music Box) comes Z, winner of the Best Foreign Film Oscar® in 1969. Z’s edge of your seat action closely parallels the real life assassination of Gregorios Lambrakis, a Greek doctor and humanist whose murder in 1963 led to an abortive public scandal. Hailed as one of the greatest political thrillers ever made with superb performances by a top international cast including Yves Montand (Jean de Florette), Jean-Louis Trintignant (Red) and Irene Papas (Zorba the Greek), Z is one movie “you can’t afford to miss.”

I will not let readers of this site turn it into a festival of rudeness-Al Yellon (at his Cub fans).

by Chiburb on Jun 22, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

will do

Buggin' Out: "Yo, Sal, we're gonna boycott your fat pasta ass."
Sal: "You're gonna boycott me? You haven't got the *balls* to boycott me. Here, here's your boycott, up your ass, you've got a boycott."

by Tdogg on Jun 22, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

lol

Dan Patrick- "Why is this affecting you?"
Jeremy Roenick- "Its the Chicago Blackhawks man."

by e-gus on Jun 22, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Excellent! Wanna hear a story? Only relevant if you've seen the movie, but...

Patrick Fitzgerald, US Attorney, guy who convicted Scooter Libby and now on trial with Blago, was walking down the street heading my way 2 weeks ago. I stopped him (thought he’d have body guards but didn’t) and asked if he’d ever seen the movie “Z”. He said no, and I quickly mentioned the Oscar for Best Picture and that he should rent it because he’s in it (the role of the investigating magistrate played by Jean-Louis Trintignant ). He thanked me and walked on.

Like I said, if you’ve seen the film you’ll get this story.

I will not let readers of this site turn it into a festival of rudeness-Al Yellon (at his Cub fans).

by Chiburb on Jun 22, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know, he's nailed (or gonna) some pretty important people.

He should at least have a food taster.

I will not let readers of this site turn it into a festival of rudeness-Al Yellon (at his Cub fans).

by Chiburb on Jun 22, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd want them

if I was trying to put a serious dent in the bipartisan sewer of corruption that is Illinois politics.

Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.

by NorthSidePaulie on Jun 22, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'd forgotten about the long history of assassinations in this city.

and, no. you wouldn’t want to have bodyguards hanging out with you all day.

by larry on Jun 22, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think some of you just want to pretend you're Harvey Dent.

"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 22, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

thats funny

Well. Batman was filmed here so you never know……..

Buggin' Out: "Yo, Sal, we're gonna boycott your fat pasta ass."
Sal: "You're gonna boycott me? You haven't got the *balls* to boycott me. Here, here's your boycott, up your ass, you've got a boycott."

by Tdogg on Jun 22, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

The night is darkest just before the dawn.

And I promise you, the dawn is coming….yeah who am I kidding

It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted

by Scotty Ballgame on Jun 22, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

My face feels all tingly....

Caught Aaron Eckhart in Thank You For Smoking last night… he is so freaking good in that movie.

"On, on, on, on, on, on... Television!"- Spooky Lou Pinella

by DrEmilioLizardo on Jun 22, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

watched 'Burma VJ' last night

very good documentary.

really captured what was going on there in 07.

Free Brent Lillibridge!

by e-gus on Jun 22, 2010 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

52 people were shot in Chicago this past weekend. I beg to differ.

"Strangely, Christ is a closeted homosexual…" - winningugly

by RWShow on Jun 22, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I saw that too!

What the fuck Chicago??? Police better.

Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jun 22, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good thing handguns are banned in this city.

Really cuts down on the shootings.

"Strangely, Christ is a closeted homosexual…" - winningugly

by RWShow on Jun 22, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

sigh

it doesnt work that way innocents are killed as well.

Buggin' Out: "Yo, Sal, we're gonna boycott your fat pasta ass."
Sal: "You're gonna boycott me? You haven't got the *balls* to boycott me. Here, here's your boycott, up your ass, you've got a boycott."

by Tdogg on Jun 22, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I whoshed myself, goddammit!

"Strangely, Christ is a closeted homosexual…" - winningugly

by RWShow on Jun 22, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

thank you

Buggin' Out: "Yo, Sal, we're gonna boycott your fat pasta ass."
Sal: "You're gonna boycott me? You haven't got the *balls* to boycott me. Here, here's your boycott, up your ass, you've got a boycott."

by Tdogg on Jun 22, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

meka reca hi, reca hiney ho

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.

by thatshortkid on Jun 22, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, hey. Whosh!

"Strangely, Christ is a closeted homosexual…" - winningugly

by RWShow on Jun 22, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just as long as white people don't die, let them kill each other.

/Sun-Times commenter

//sorry U-God

///seriously, what the fuck Chicago.

"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 22, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

851 murders in 90, 927 in 91

458 in 2009. Obviously something is working.

In any case, it’s not like all of Chicago is dangerous. It’s pretty easy to avoid gun fire in this city. Don’t go to a shitty neighborhood, problem solved.

by Grinder in Training on Jun 22, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

The law was enacted in '82.

If something is working, banning handguns ain’t it.

"Strangely, Christ is a closeted homosexual…" - winningugly

by RWShow on Jun 22, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

besides what exactly is a "shitty" neighborhood?

Maybe you mean steer clear of shitty situations. Obviously I won’t roll up to a drug corner in my car and say “what up fellas?” lol.

Buggin' Out: "Yo, Sal, we're gonna boycott your fat pasta ass."
Sal: "You're gonna boycott me? You haven't got the *balls* to boycott me. Here, here's your boycott, up your ass, you've got a boycott."

by Tdogg on Jun 22, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

When I say "shitty neighborhood", I'm talking about neighborhoods with high violent crime rates, drug corners, etc etc.

Areas well known for being “dangerous”, not necessarily (though often) poor.

"Strangely, Christ is a closeted homosexual…" - winningugly

by RWShow on Jun 22, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

amazing the relationship between poverty, crime and drugs and alcohol.

It is like they are connected or something, but that is ridiculous. Why cant these poor people have some restraint?

"On, on, on, on, on, on... Television!"- Spooky Lou Pinella

by DrEmilioLizardo on Jun 22, 2010 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

The only time I've had an altercation is Chicago is when I was punched by a homeless lady outside Marshall Fields

But in all fairness, I was raising money for John Kerry’s presidential campaign at the time, so I guess I had it coming.

by joewho112 on Jun 22, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

i beg to differ on your neighborhood take

ive had more altercations in wrigleyville and wicker park (and im not talkn bout the drunk idiots, but the poor and gangbangers alike) then i had when i lived in little village or had to cut through what was caprini green to get to work.

Look I just want to pass my last Microsoft exam and sleep with white women.
by Tdogg on Mar 10, 2010 11:29 PM CST

I'm with MM on this one. Some can pull it off for a while, but eventually
they all think with their pussies.
by Chiburb on May 11, 2010 1:11 PM CDT

by Grinder Rule #42 on Jun 22, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

What would you define as an "altercation"? Obviously you weren't murdered.

(Not trying to be a smartass, genuinely curious.)

"Strangely, Christ is a closeted homosexual…" - winningugly

by RWShow on Jun 22, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

being held up by gunpoint

and just general harassment/assualt.

Look I just want to pass my last Microsoft exam and sleep with white women.
by Tdogg on Mar 10, 2010 11:29 PM CST

I'm with MM on this one. Some can pull it off for a while, but eventually
they all think with their pussies.
by Chiburb on May 11, 2010 1:11 PM CDT

by Grinder Rule #42 on Jun 22, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

What time of night was it?

Were you leaving a bar? I mean.. held up at gunpoint? This is hard for someone to believe who lives here. Are you sure it wasn’t Humboldt park? This seems a bit odd to have multiple altercations in nice neighborhoods.

I have a feeling at some point, you have to look in the mirror.

by Grinder in Training on Jun 22, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Humboldt Park & Wicker Park

Are not though, and he mentioned Wicker Park.

by Grinder in Training on Jun 22, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

F you guys

I’ve been attacked in Bridgeport twice in my life!

Buggin' Out: "Yo, Sal, we're gonna boycott your fat pasta ass."
Sal: "You're gonna boycott me? You haven't got the *balls* to boycott me. Here, here's your boycott, up your ass, you've got a boycott."

by Tdogg on Jun 22, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not sure

I’d consider Bridgeport quite the same as Lakeview or Wicker Park though.

by Grinder in Training on Jun 22, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

you were asking for it.

don’t wear such nice hats all the time.

by larry on Jun 22, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

prick!

Buggin' Out: "Yo, Sal, we're gonna boycott your fat pasta ass."
Sal: "You're gonna boycott me? You haven't got the *balls* to boycott me. Here, here's your boycott, up your ass, you've got a boycott."

by Tdogg on Jun 22, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

lotsa frat boys with fat wallets

you wouldn’t ride the red line up for some easy pickin’s?

by Trooper on Jun 22, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well that's my point

If you’re riding solo on the red line late at night after drinking, well you’ve put yourself in a shitty situation there.

by Grinder in Training on Jun 22, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

When I lived in Evergreen Park, I took the Red Line home from a Tuesday night game.

The 95th St. Red Line station is an interesting place at 11 PM.

"Strangely, Christ is a closeted homosexual…" - winningugly

by RWShow on Jun 22, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Joe Mantegna on SNL...

Caller-I was sitting on the tarmac at LaGuardia when a guy came on the plane, doused me with gas and lit me on fire!

Joe- Did you make eye contact with him?

There you go…

"On, on, on, on, on, on... Television!"- Spooky Lou Pinella

by DrEmilioLizardo on Jun 22, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Humboldt Park isn't dangerous

I think you are confusing “has Hispanic residents” with “Dangerous.” It’s a common mistake

by joewho112 on Jun 22, 2010 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not terribly surprised re: Wrigleyville.

Crime statistics I’ve read in the not-so-distant past indicate that that area, despite having its share of money, is a high-crime area of the city. Not a high murder rate, however – at least when compared with Englewood, for example.

"Strangely, Christ is a closeted homosexual…" - winningugly

by RWShow on Jun 22, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

thank you

and thats where the problem is…no it wasnt late at night, no i wasnt stumbling out of a bar… its kids tryin to bang, junkies, and the truly poor that have nothin to loose and everything to gain if succesful. all im sayin is its not neighborhood specific and in my experience i have had more problems living in nicer neighborhoods as opposed to areas that are “shitty”

Look I just want to pass my last Microsoft exam and sleep with white women.
by Tdogg on Mar 10, 2010 11:29 PM CST

I'm with MM on this one. Some can pull it off for a while, but eventually
they all think with their pussies.
by Chiburb on May 11, 2010 1:11 PM CDT

by Grinder Rule #42 on Jun 22, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

us marshalls had a stand off with a gunman here in tinley park yesterday

also, hte stay out of bad neighborhoods argument if fucking stupid.

Free Brent Lillibridge!

by e-gus on Jun 22, 2010 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're more likely to be killed in neighborhoods with higher murder rates.

Is there something difficult to grasp here?

"Strangely, Christ is a closeted homosexual…" - winningugly

by RWShow on Jun 22, 2010 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

There was 5 squadcars on my block last Friday

Dude down the street was high on cocaine was walking outside with a shotgun when a neighbor saw and called the police. He barricaded himself in the garage. I guess the story is he has been out of a job for a while and was going to kill himself. He gave himself up so no one got hurt

It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted

by Scotty Ballgame on Jun 22, 2010 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

its sound advice

if you dont live there.
but a lot of the people that do live there dont have the means to move.

Free Brent Lillibridge!

by e-gus on Jun 22, 2010 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

well yeah

some of them dont work thats part of the problem. but I feel like the kids there arent given much of a chance.

Free Brent Lillibridge!

by e-gus on Jun 22, 2010 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Altercations?

As in random gang shootings, because that’s really the main concern?

I live on the Northside, and I find this hard to believe unless it was late at night and you were doing something stupid. You must be doing something to provoke these altercations or putting yourself in a bad situation.

by Grinder in Training on Jun 22, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

shhhh!

keep em guessing

Look I just want to pass my last Microsoft exam and sleep with white women.
by Tdogg on Mar 10, 2010 11:29 PM CST

I'm with MM on this one. Some can pull it off for a while, but eventually
they all think with their pussies.
by Chiburb on May 11, 2010 1:11 PM CDT

by Grinder Rule #42 on Jun 22, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

possible spoiler alert

was it legalized abortion? if so, levitt’s had that work published for years before his book deals.

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.

by thatshortkid on Jun 22, 2010 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

its too crowded with soccer threads over there

Look I just want to pass my last Microsoft exam and sleep with white women.
by Tdogg on Mar 10, 2010 11:29 PM CST

I'm with MM on this one. Some can pull it off for a while, but eventually
they all think with their pussies.
by Chiburb on May 11, 2010 1:11 PM CDT

by Grinder Rule #42 on Jun 22, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Or, his wonderful posts always spark vigorous conversation.

He should be flattered.

"Strangely, Christ is a closeted homosexual…" - winningugly

by RWShow on Jun 22, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Awesome. :)

ITHOUGHTGAZELLEWASGOOD -Trooper

by homesickalien on Jun 22, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

GTFOTS, PPB!

Man, when BP gets done with the cleanup, they need to send him down there. The amount of sand in his vagina could easily restore half the gulf.
by South Side Expat on Jun 8, 2010 1:17 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 22, 2010 10:42 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

lol

you need to quit

Buggin' Out: "Yo, Sal, we're gonna boycott your fat pasta ass."
Sal: "You're gonna boycott me? You haven't got the *balls* to boycott me. Here, here's your boycott, up your ass, you've got a boycott."

by Tdogg on Jun 22, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

TOGTFOTS!

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Jun 22, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Old Boy was fucking amazing.

I watched it thinking I downloaded Hard-Boiled, but it was some messed up shit.

"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 22, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

old boy is very good,

little weird. but the hammer scene is great

bird law in this country is not ruled by reason

by soxshenanigans on Jun 22, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wait, I just thought of something.

Maybe the clubhouse hates Danks, and is making him get losses on purpose! It’s a conspiracy started by Jenks, he doesn’t wany anyone challenging his facial hair.

Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jun 22, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

They lack Peavy's intensity

And have the gaul to pitch better. They are such assholes.

"Yes, I am impatient. Yes, I am frustrated. But yes, I still do remain confident that this team is the team that can still challenge for the division championship and hopefully beyond. We've got a lot of good pieces, we just need to all come together and we'll be just fine."

- Kenny Williams

by justjc on Jun 22, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Question naysers, non believers and agnostic ones

I don’t think I have really ever asked what would it take (performance or standing wise) for you to see for to change your opinion on the White Sox at the deadline and want them to buy.

3 games back? 2 games back? Even? Ahead. Never. (meaning best you’d let them go as is to the end of the season) Not looking to debate you curious.

Buggin' Out: "Yo, Sal, we're gonna boycott your fat pasta ass."
Sal: "You're gonna boycott me? You haven't got the *balls* to boycott me. Here, here's your boycott, up your ass, you've got a boycott."

by Tdogg on Jun 22, 2010 10:24 AM CDT reply actions  

they can do whatever they want.

not my money if they try to make a run. I’ll gladly watch em though.

Lurking since 2006

by boyonthedock on Jun 22, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

not really the point of my question

Buggin' Out: "Yo, Sal, we're gonna boycott your fat pasta ass."
Sal: "You're gonna boycott me? You haven't got the *balls* to boycott me. Here, here's your boycott, up your ass, you've got a boycott."

by Tdogg on Jun 22, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

sorry i was a bit unclear

i was a skeptic, but i guess the answer for me is ‘5.5 back.’ make a trade lets ride this baby.

Lurking since 2006

by boyonthedock on Jun 22, 2010 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

If the moves were smart...

meaning the moves were made for players that fit into the plan for 2011, I’d say within 2 games of the Central lead.

I wouldn’t want to see any rent-a-players for 2010 that will cost us some decent prospects in our already shallow system.

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 22, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Is this asking too much?

Now that I re-read it… I mean should I care if they give up prospects for players signed only thru the end of 2010?

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 22, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah right

if the rent a players are good enough to make an impact the Sox would at least get some compensation in the next draft, right? and with their recent track record, the more picks the better. In fact, Id love to see them grab a couple type B guys and see what they can do with them.

Dan Patrick- "Why is this affecting you?"
Jeremy Roenick- "Its the Chicago Blackhawks man."

by e-gus on Jun 22, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Did I just read that AJ is a type A?

Buggin' Out: "Yo, Sal, we're gonna boycott your fat pasta ass."
Sal: "You're gonna boycott me? You haven't got the *balls* to boycott me. Here, here's your boycott, up your ass, you've got a boycott."

by Tdogg on Jun 22, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

somehow i doubt this.

Dan Patrick- "Why is this affecting you?"
Jeremy Roenick- "Its the Chicago Blackhawks man."

by e-gus on Jun 22, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

why?

he’s been a type A for years.

by larry on Jun 22, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

really?

good!

Dan Patrick- "Why is this affecting you?"
Jeremy Roenick- "Its the Chicago Blackhawks man."

by e-gus on Jun 22, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Some actually do mellow with age, but usually not until their 50's.

I think AJ is safely a type-A for a while.

I will not let readers of this site turn it into a festival of rudeness-Al Yellon (at his Cub fans).

by Chiburb on Jun 22, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Then why would the White Sox trade him unless

they get a better haul trading him rather than letting him go as a FA

It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted

by Scotty Ballgame on Jun 22, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

because he's blocking Donny Lucy

Buggin' Out: "Yo, Sal, we're gonna boycott your fat pasta ass."
Sal: "You're gonna boycott me? You haven't got the *balls* to boycott me. Here, here's your boycott, up your ass, you've got a boycott."

by Tdogg on Jun 22, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Who said they would? His Type-Aedness has served us well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_A_and_Type_B_personality_theory

I will not let readers of this site turn it into a festival of rudeness-Al Yellon (at his Cub fans).

by Chiburb on Jun 22, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not debating either, but for the same reason you didn't vote in the poll it's too early for this.

Whether 3, 2, even, or ahead, it depends on the situation at the time. Is Q suck and we need a hitting RF? Do Viciedo and Omar play 3B with Teahen to RF and Q to DH? Does Phreddy finally melt and Hudson is the 5th starter?
Not enough info to say buy/sell yet. And for the record, I never reached the “sell” mode from which to change my mind.

I will not let readers of this site turn it into a festival of rudeness-Al Yellon (at his Cub fans).

by Chiburb on Jun 22, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not really aimed at you Chiburb

more folks like Shoeless who are on record as wanting to sell for various reasons. I was just curious what things they needed to see to change their mind and even then how far they would go.

Buggin' Out: "Yo, Sal, we're gonna boycott your fat pasta ass."
Sal: "You're gonna boycott me? You haven't got the *balls* to boycott me. Here, here's your boycott, up your ass, you've got a boycott."

by Tdogg on Jun 22, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

You so crazy.

The guy who refused to hang in there earlier this month, abdicating SSS, chiding those who wanted to sell. It is still sell time. We might get a better price now. AJ is hitting better, Pootz is pitching better, even R.Jenks looks better. Sell before July.

Man, when BP gets done with the cleanup, they need to send him down there. The amount of sand in his vagina could easily restore half the gulf.
by South Side Expat on Jun 8, 2010 1:17 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 22, 2010 10:46 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Sooooo does that mean your answer is never?

Buggin' Out: "Yo, Sal, we're gonna boycott your fat pasta ass."
Sal: "You're gonna boycott me? You haven't got the *balls* to boycott me. Here, here's your boycott, up your ass, you've got a boycott."

by Tdogg on Jun 22, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was definitely bearish Tdogg

until the latest hot streak. So to answer your question I would say I’d need to see them win a few series against “top 10” teams (Atlanta qualifies obviously) and division leading opponents (some overlap here).

I still think the team outside of pitching is flawed though and possibly not fixable with tread-deadline FA signings. And the hot streak feels more like a combination of long-awaited statistical regression, poor opponents and the fact that we’re built more like an NL team now than possibility that we’re playoff caliber.

Yet I’m willing to wait and see.

Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.

by NorthSidePaulie on Jun 22, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Breakeven or slightly worse against the elite teams would be a MAJOR accomplishment.

The way to the playoffs is to crush lousy teams.

I will not let readers of this site turn it into a festival of rudeness-Al Yellon (at his Cub fans).

by Chiburb on Jun 22, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't see God telling you to hold out for a threesome

"Yes, I am impatient. Yes, I am frustrated. But yes, I still do remain confident that this team is the team that can still challenge for the division championship and hopefully beyond. We've got a lot of good pieces, we just need to all come together and we'll be just fine."

- Kenny Williams

by justjc on Jun 22, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

some Gods might

Dan Patrick- "Why is this affecting you?"
Jeremy Roenick- "Its the Chicago Blackhawks man."

by e-gus on Jun 22, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

from his personal collection of grecian urn erotica...

"On, on, on, on, on, on... Television!"- Spooky Lou Pinella

by DrEmilioLizardo on Jun 22, 2010 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's French

Buggin' Out: "Yo, Sal, we're gonna boycott your fat pasta ass."
Sal: "You're gonna boycott me? You haven't got the *balls* to boycott me. Here, here's your boycott, up your ass, you've got a boycott."

by Tdogg on Jun 22, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

do you picture it like contra?

where you just flip off the screen and then instantly drop down from the sky to pick up where you left off?

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Jun 22, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Massive explosion with the death

But you come back at the beginning of the season.

"Yes, I am impatient. Yes, I am frustrated. But yes, I still do remain confident that this team is the team that can still challenge for the division championship and hopefully beyond. We've got a lot of good pieces, we just need to all come together and we'll be just fine."

- Kenny Williams

by justjc on Jun 22, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

You'd want to go through that first half again?

"Yes, I am impatient. Yes, I am frustrated. But yes, I still do remain confident that this team is the team that can still challenge for the division championship and hopefully beyond. We've got a lot of good pieces, we just need to all come together and we'll be just fine."

- Kenny Williams

by justjc on Jun 22, 2010 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Super Mario 2?

Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jun 22, 2010 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

The more I think about it...

Perhaps equating the acceptance of death in the face of extreme adversity and hopelessness with giving up on the hope of a White Sox turnaround is not an appropriate metaphor. But it still makes sense, in my fucked up head, at least.

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 22, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do you see the problem with that?

lol.

Buggin' Out: "Yo, Sal, we're gonna boycott your fat pasta ass."
Sal: "You're gonna boycott me? You haven't got the *balls* to boycott me. Here, here's your boycott, up your ass, you've got a boycott."

by Tdogg on Jun 22, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well if a person's answer is never

that’s a legit response I suppose. Again I’m not really looking to debate the chances of any event happening. I just wanted a baseball answer as to what one had to see to change an opinion one may have formed already. Even an opinion of “I don’t know yet”

Buggin' Out: "Yo, Sal, we're gonna boycott your fat pasta ass."
Sal: "You're gonna boycott me? You haven't got the *balls* to boycott me. Here, here's your boycott, up your ass, you've got a boycott."

by Tdogg on Jun 22, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

how about this?

if the sox win this series with the braves, they’ll be above .500. with that in mind, a closable deficit, a lot of home games to sell yet, a few easily improvable positions and apparently the money to do so…
i make a trade.
a rental, for sure. but that allows the sox to claim they’re trying to win. it fixes an easily fixable problem and it puts a few more butts in the seats over the next month. you give the new roster 1 month to make good, and if they don’t make a real dent in that time then you sell hard. maybe flip the rental, for sure move anything that isn’t young and talented.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Jun 22, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

cant he just tell you at the water cooler?

Dan Patrick- "Why is this affecting you?"
Jeremy Roenick- "Its the Chicago Blackhawks man."

by e-gus on Jun 22, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

you think i still got that job?

i got canned hours ago.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Jun 22, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh my bad

I guess my question would be on the sell hard part. I don’t want to break up the pitching staff would you do that?

The first part I agree with and you address the very “real” situation of fan reaction. Too often this is ignored in the fantasy world.

Buggin' Out: "Yo, Sal, we're gonna boycott your fat pasta ass."
Sal: "You're gonna boycott me? You haven't got the *balls* to boycott me. Here, here's your boycott, up your ass, you've got a boycott."

by Tdogg on Jun 22, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

i'm not moving floyd or danks, for sure.

i’d certainly listen to overtures for peavy. buehrle is more complicated. that situation needs to be perfect. garcia is a non-event. so, those are more about finding a very good return.

i’d be a lot more inclined to be aggressive moving bullpen pieces, as well as AJ, PK, etc.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Jun 22, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is pretty depressing..

I’d hope you’d hold on until you pass out from the pain. Or at least try to go on the rocks if you know anything about rock climbing.

by Grinder in Training on Jun 22, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd vote to sell.

Unless they can add an allstar calibar bat to the lineup, I still think this is an 80 to 85 win team. I’d rather work towards building a 90+ win team in 2011 or 2012 than short the future in favor of trying to squeak into the playoffs with a mediocre team.

by joewho112 on Jun 22, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Legit questions

But this team is still going to need at least average play from 2B, 3B, RF, and DH.

If Becks isn’t doing it at 2B still, and the Viciedo/Omar experiment at 3B fails, we will need at least one infielder. Regardless of the Q/RF situation, we need a RF. If Q is hitting he should be DHing and we need a RF. If he’s not hitting then we need a RF and a better DH solution

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 22, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Shorter Shoeless: Not enough info yet.

I will not let readers of this site turn it into a festival of rudeness-Al Yellon (at his Cub fans).

by Chiburb on Jun 22, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Depends. If Q's last week (.926 OPS) means he's (coming) back, then no.

If a fluke, then yes. If the bat is real I don’t care about the lack of D.

I will not let readers of this site turn it into a festival of rudeness-Al Yellon (at his Cub fans).

by Chiburb on Jun 22, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's my read

It’s nice to be out of the hole. But I need someone to convince me that they’re not going to dive back in.

Then again – even if the Sox are out of contention…who’s to say they can’t add talent?

Everything you do should be in service of putting asses in the seats.

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Jun 22, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

I need to see us compete in the AL, probably take the next series against the Twins.

That would be a good indicator to start investing in a run.

"Yes, I am impatient. Yes, I am frustrated. But yes, I still do remain confident that this team is the team that can still challenge for the division championship and hopefully beyond. We've got a lot of good pieces, we just need to all come together and we'll be just fine."

- Kenny Williams

by justjc on Jun 22, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah

this run against the NL, while nice, doesnt exactly prove anything.

two weeks of over .5oo ball and then start adding.

Dan Patrick- "Why is this affecting you?"
Jeremy Roenick- "Its the Chicago Blackhawks man."

by e-gus on Jun 22, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, first we'd have to decide the pieces that could be part of our future,

And the ones that couldn’t. Theres people we’d want to keep, and there’s people that are definitely a temporary fix. Those are the ones we’d need to figure out. We can’t give away Beckham, or Danks, for instance, if we plan on going deep this year, and years ahead.

Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jun 22, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not entirely what we need to do

I’d need to see either Q or Beckham breakout before I even consider making a move of any kind (and Q has looked good lately, so maybe there’s hope).

But other than that, it would just depend on the market. If you can get a left handed hitter without losing a guy like Hudson or Flowers, I consider pulling the trigger if we’re within 5 games.

Basically.. I’m still pissed off we didn’t sign Jim Thome.

by Grinder in Training on Jun 22, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

thank you an answer!

Buggin' Out: "Yo, Sal, we're gonna boycott your fat pasta ass."
Sal: "You're gonna boycott me? You haven't got the *balls* to boycott me. Here, here's your boycott, up your ass, you've got a boycott."

by Tdogg on Jun 22, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

it would be nice if they were acquiring at the deadline

to only go after players who were rentals. i think there will be players available who are free agents to be that would cost the white sox essentially nothing to acquire, other than money. if it’s true that the team can add salary, i don’t see much reason to give away the very few real prospects the team has.

by larry on Jun 22, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

That would make sense

I’ll be honest, with the Sox playing so poorly, I haven’t really been paying attention to who would be available, but that’d definitely be the way to go if we can.

by Grinder in Training on Jun 22, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have thought a lot about that in recent days

especially when the Chairman spoke up about adding salary. I’d imagine the very situation the Sox were in 2 weeks ago would exist for other teams, in essence salary dumping.

Any long term pieces that you would have an interest at all? Or would all such pieces be realistically cost prohibitive?

Buggin' Out: "Yo, Sal, we're gonna boycott your fat pasta ass."
Sal: "You're gonna boycott me? You haven't got the *balls* to boycott me. Here, here's your boycott, up your ass, you've got a boycott."

by Tdogg on Jun 22, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

hurt, tired, both

Sluggers can fall off quick but he probable still has something left but I don’t want him.

Buggin' Out: "Yo, Sal, we're gonna boycott your fat pasta ass."
Sal: "You're gonna boycott me? You haven't got the *balls* to boycott me. Here, here's your boycott, up your ass, you've got a boycott."

by Tdogg on Jun 22, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

hmm

Shit i guess if you throw it back at me like that, I am hard pressed to come up with an option. The obvious choices would be 1b stars but that presents all types of problems. Im stumped.

Buggin' Out: "Yo, Sal, we're gonna boycott your fat pasta ass."
Sal: "You're gonna boycott me? You haven't got the *balls* to boycott me. Here, here's your boycott, up your ass, you've got a boycott."

by Tdogg on Jun 22, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dunn might be if the Nats keep sliding

And he is legit power at DH for a year or three.

"Yes, I am impatient. Yes, I am frustrated. But yes, I still do remain confident that this team is the team that can still challenge for the division championship and hopefully beyond. We've got a lot of good pieces, we just need to all come together and we'll be just fine."

- Kenny Williams

by justjc on Jun 22, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Some specualtion around here they let him go to the AL

and get Cantu next year to fill in at 1B

"Yes, I am impatient. Yes, I am frustrated. But yes, I still do remain confident that this team is the team that can still challenge for the division championship and hopefully beyond. We've got a lot of good pieces, we just need to all come together and we'll be just fine."

- Kenny Williams

by justjc on Jun 22, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

For a full answer

I think after doing some quick research, Adam Dunn is my first choice assuming he doesn’t cost a big prospect, and with him being a rental, I don’t think he would.

by Grinder in Training on Jun 22, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

For the record my requirements are even more stringent than that for them to buy.

I’d say 2-3 games back, with a legit turnaround from Q.
Going as is, I’m a lot more lenient. 5-6 games if at least playing .500

Buggin' Out: "Yo, Sal, we're gonna boycott your fat pasta ass."
Sal: "You're gonna boycott me? You haven't got the *balls* to boycott me. Here, here's your boycott, up your ass, you've got a boycott."

by Tdogg on Jun 22, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

The title

Was meant to say something along the lines of not sure we need to get a certain amount of games back, so much as see something out of Q and Beckham. Editing fail.

by Grinder in Training on Jun 22, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

well

A solid performance against the twins and tigers would be a start

by 815Sox on Jun 22, 2010 11:35 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

more solid than the 5-4 record they have against them?

lol.

Buggin' Out: "Yo, Sal, we're gonna boycott your fat pasta ass."
Sal: "You're gonna boycott me? You haven't got the *balls* to boycott me. Here, here's your boycott, up your ass, you've got a boycott."

by Tdogg on Jun 22, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ok

A solid performance against the twins and tigersindians would be a start

fixed.

It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted

by Scotty Ballgame on Jun 22, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

fixed indeed.

Buggin' Out: "Yo, Sal, we're gonna boycott your fat pasta ass."
Sal: "You're gonna boycott me? You haven't got the *balls* to boycott me. Here, here's your boycott, up your ass, you've got a boycott."

by Tdogg on Jun 22, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Late to the party but Jim did address this today
Excellent.

Buggin' Out: "Yo, Sal, we're gonna boycott your fat pasta ass."
Sal: "You're gonna boycott me? You haven't got the *balls* to boycott me. Here, here's your boycott, up your ass, you've got a boycott."

by Tdogg on Jun 22, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

question isn't that hard

if you’re asking Kenny. he’s the one with attendance projections.

I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.

by colintj on Jun 22, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

you didnt exactly answer my friend

Buggin' Out: "Yo, Sal, we're gonna boycott your fat pasta ass."
Sal: "You're gonna boycott me? You haven't got the *balls* to boycott me. Here, here's your boycott, up your ass, you've got a boycott."

by Tdogg on Jun 22, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

bastard

you’ll get your answer tomorrow, apparently.

I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.

by colintj on Jun 22, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

FFITA

Irish eyes are smiling today

It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted

by Scotty Ballgame on Jun 22, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Random stat

The White Sox have only worn their Home jerseys 9 times, Away jerseys 10 times, and Alternate jerseys 49 times.

Over/Under alternates being worn 95 times this season?

by chisoxfan04 on Jun 22, 2010 1:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Do Nix and Lucey's uni's count?

I will not let readers of this site turn it into a festival of rudeness-Al Yellon (at his Cub fans).

by Chiburb on Jun 22, 2010 1:20 PM CDT reply actions  

in reply to above.

I will not let readers of this site turn it into a festival of rudeness-Al Yellon (at his Cub fans).

by Chiburb on Jun 22, 2010 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

whos lucey?

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jun 22, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

i smoke luceys

"There's too many (bleeping) guys on the computer. It's simple. I say that. Pete Rose never watched a computer. Rod Carew never did. All those hitters, they go out and see the ball, hit it and move on." - Ozzie

by usualsuspect on Jun 22, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Read the Braves version of this

Not terribly misguided, although they suggest the review mentions us getting no production from Alexei Ramirez, which I’d disagree with. Another poster said Konerko was “a butcher” in the field, which I’d have to argue, but otherwise not bad.

They seem pretty confident that their team is legit and almost unanimously expect at least 2 wins.

by Grinder in Training on Jun 22, 2010 1:27 PM CDT reply actions  

It is legit.

Buggin' Out: "Yo, Sal, we're gonna boycott your fat pasta ass."
Sal: "You're gonna boycott me? You haven't got the *balls* to boycott me. Here, here's your boycott, up your ass, you've got a boycott."

by Tdogg on Jun 22, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just have trouble respecting any NL team

And even if they swept us, we’re not all that good ourselves.

by Grinder in Training on Jun 22, 2010 2:01 PM CDT