What Does the White Sox Hot Streak Say About Ozzie Guillen's Bullpen Usage?
by larry on Jun 27, 2010 5:52 PM CDT
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PrintThe White Sox have been on a historic hot streak for the past two and a half weeks. Beginning with a June 9th 15-3 drubbing of the Tigers, they have won 15 of 17 games. The offense has been better - averaging 5.1 runs per game - but by no means has it been overwhelming. The key has been the pitching, which has allowed just 42 runs, or 2.5 per game, over that span. The starters have averaged 7 innings per game and have failed to go seven or more innings just four times. This has resulted in infrequent usage of relievers and provides an excellent opportunity to take a look at how Ozzie views the pecking order in his bullpen.
There are complicated statistics that measure reliever usage, such as the various leverage index stats. However, because of the combination during this hot streak of the starters pitching deep into ballgames, thus limiting the innings available to relievers, while simultaneously the offense not providing enough runs to have frequent blowouts, the simple method of counting appearances is rather accurate and also easily understood. So let's take a look at who Ozzie is using the most during this stretch.
Bobby Jenks: It should come as no surprise that, despite being placed on the Bereavement List and missing the past two games, Jenks, as the man with the closer title, has the most appearances with nine. While he experienced some hiccups earlier in the season, which resulted in calls for his demotion or even outright release, he told White Sox fans to "chill out" over a few poor games - and he appears to have been right.
J.J. Putz: The primary right-handed set-up man checks in next with eight appearances. He's well on his way to signing a multi-year contract as someone's closer next offseason. Both his walk (1.3 per 9 IP) and strikeout (10.7 per 9 IP) rates are back at the mind-boggling levels they were when he was a lights-out with Seattle.
Matt Thornton: The primary left-handed set-up man is next with six appearances, including one appearance as fill-in closer. A string of three poor outings just prior to the start of our sample size may have weighed on Ozzie's mind early on but he's been predictably excellent over this stretch.
Sergio Santos: The rookie is next with five appearances. In June, he hasn't been nearly as good as he was for the first couple months - which isn't exactly unexpected. He was setting an unsustainable pace, teams now have better scouting reports on him and hitters have seen him before. Should be interesting to see how he reacts.
Tony Pena: The man who has been compelled to serve as the long man also compiled five appearances, all in low leverage situations.
Scott Linebrink: The second-highest paid reliever has been rightly reduced to the lowest number of appearances with just three. In two of those outings, he needed to be rescued by Jenks.
Randy Williams: The hands-down worst reliever has also appeared just three times. Considering his performance against the Cubs on Sunday and the existence of Erick Threets on the active roster, that may be it for Williams.
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It's hard to argue with the usage. The figurehead closer (who has been quite good) leads the list and then usage essentially goes from best to worst pitcher. With Putz, Thornton and now Jenks pitching well, Ozzie can essentially make it a six inning game. Which is a pretty good thing when your starters are giving you seven innings.
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The Streak
just confirmed what we all knew going into the season. Our starting pitching was good enough to keep us in the hunt for the division. We were pretty sure our bullpen was going to be good although there were questions about Jenks and Santos. The bullpen has been the 2nd biggest surprise, with the bigger surprise being that our offense has not been as good as our bullpen. Hopefully, Kenny will now go get that left handed big bat we need. If we get in it, we will win it!
Nice.
I actually planned to emphasis the bullpen in the June review but no need now. Basically its the starting pitching plus the Big Three. Putz has been absolutely filthy lately. A fourth, (or where will you end up Santos?) would be an embarrassment of riches.
I suppose a start like this had to come. Too hot, both the team and the weather. I don’t want to hear any crap about NL. That run they pretty much would have shut down anybody.
Anyway, with the loss I’m now officially back. Its was so fun being on strike I might have to pull this out in future years….
Buggin' Out: "Yo, Sal, we're gonna boycott your fat pasta ass."
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well, i think i've left plenty of room for analysis of the bullpen.
if you’re scoring twice as many runs as your opponents, you’re probably going to go something like 15-2.
I was going to put together a little something to evaluate the hitting during the streak.
I was thinking of using batting average and rbi.
Did you know…
That the white sox have now had 11 GW RBI in their last 12 games?
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by FAQ on Jun 27, 2010 8:01 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Thornton, Puts, Santos and Pena would be fine
ditching Bobby could be enough to make a lefty bat worth it. Also, does anyone know if any of the idiots who didn’t want Thome resigned have mea culpa’d? The only thing I hear from Sox media these days is that they need a lefty bat. Extremely frustrating.
Fireworks: Bang?
Poot's
"I'm tired, I've got a headache, my bullpen blew it." -South Side Expat
by Teahenny Penny on Jun 27, 2010 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Do you really think they would acknowledge that mistake?
The media is never wrong. lol.
If Lee is dealt to the Twins KW will be forced to act, but I would rather him do it right now. There is a great chance to build a 2 or 3 game lead before the Twins pull the trigger. You have your second chance boys, don’t fuck this up.
"Officially off strike...."
I am not as militant about it being a left-handed bat
I just want a “good” bat either way. Ideally we need a 3b/2b with a decent glove and some pop. But Im willing to wait there and closely watch the Omar, Dayan & Teabag situation.
The deal I’d make now if possible is to go and get DeJesus. Hey one savior isn’t enough. He has a club option next year for 6 million. He’s exactly the type of player the Sox SHOULD have gone after in the last off-season.
"Officially off strike...."
no more Royals
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
by blackoutsox on Jun 28, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
I like the DeJesus idea.
Keep ’em coming.
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
If the Twins pick up Lee the Sox
would have worse incentives to add someone even somewhat expensive. I know you think the Twins are meh, but I’m pretty sure the Sox are worse by a problematic margin.
Fireworks: Bang?
by colintj on Jun 27, 2010 8:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
you're right. I don't buy it.
For one their offense hasn’t been as good or maintained the level I thought possible.. And I think the pitching was way over its head early. If Quentin is for real all bets are off.
"Officially off strike...."
are you talking about us or the twinkies?
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
their pitching was always way overrated
Liriano was done for a while
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
oh my
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
by blackoutsox on Jun 28, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
I thought he never really recovered from his arm injury
thats what I get from not paying attention to other teams at all
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
we've got donny stashed in case one of those guys cools off.
he’s probably the best post-ASB hitter of his generation.
by larry on Jun 27, 2010 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
no I expect give and take
Alexei should heat up some while somebody cools down. The Sox still need a bat. Its still an avg offense at best.
"Officially off strike...."
2 words:
Jim. Edmonds.
;)
Man, when BP gets done with the cleanup, they need to send him down there. The amount of sand in his vagina could easily restore half the gulf.
by South Side Expat on Jun 8, 2010 1:17 AM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 27, 2010 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions
and maybe Beckahm
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
by blackoutsox on Jun 27, 2010 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions
not to be mistaken with the unsavable savior Beckham
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
by blackoutsox on Jun 27, 2010 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions
dude, we just won 11 games in a row
Konerko Rios and to an extent Quentin are all proved hitters, they’re not about to go Jermaine Dye on us
optimism. try it
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
by blackoutsox on Jun 27, 2010 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions
We went 8 games without a homerun
I’m optimistic about the pitching, but that kind of streak won’t win 8 games in the American League. We beat up on the garbage teams, put ourselves in a position to compete, now we need to improve the offense if we want to do something the rest of the season.
You can be optimistic and still know you need improvements. I’m just optimistic they will make them when the time comes.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions
I should correct this
In the truest sense of Lee replacing Baker in the rotation this does create a host of problems for the Sox. I still think adding the bat helps but you would almost have to have a monumental turn around from Beckham. I get what you mean now.
"Officially off strike...."
Mariners starter Cliff Lee continued his amazing display of strike-zone control and kept potential July 31 non-waiver Trade Deadline buyers salivating by going 3-1 in four Interleague games and striking out 26 batters in 31 1/3 innings while not allowing a single walk. He has a 19-1 strikeout-to-walk ratio this season.
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by Teahenny Penny on Jun 28, 2010 2:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Indeed, the big news is that Cheat can stop shooting heroin and Tdogg can begin watching games again.
Of course, if they start losing again, I’m going to beat Cheat’s pelvis to death with Tdogg’s TV.
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by RWShow on Jun 27, 2010 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
oH NOS!
It’sseems that my drugs wuld be the bad Ones!
"I'm tired, I've got a headache, my bullpen blew it." -South Side Expat
by Teahenny Penny on Jun 27, 2010 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Overhead at the bar this afternoon-
“The Sox didn’t sweep the Cubs cause they didn’t want to get charged with a hate crime this weekend.”
I think he was insinuating something.
"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat
by South Side Expat on Jun 27, 2010 9:10 PM CDT reply actions
Bullpen
The bullpen has been great. However, there are two pitchers who cannot be used unless the game is out of hand either way. They would be Linestink and Williams.
They have been TOTALLY ineffective all year. Why can’t they be released and others brought in? I know Linestink is owed money, but I’d rather pay him not to pitch than for him to cost us by pitching.
the 6th and 7th pitchers are ineffective.
welcome to major league baseball. i’m sure their replacements will be just super.
What kind of silly ass logic is that.
Obviously the end of your bullpen won’t be great, but if your options are terrible, and slightly less terrible, you can still bitch about not choosing the less terrible option.
We’re 1.5 game out in a 3 team race, and have a shitty offense to carry. Any small improvement with the team is important. It’s ridiculous to be satisfied with not doing everything possible to make the team better.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed.
If we’re this close, any minor tweak is definitely good.
Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jun 28, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
the white sox showed this week that they're married to the two lefties in the bullpen structure.
torres is probably better than williams. but he probably isn’t better than linebrink, certainly not markedly so. threets isn’t better than williams. so any move that the white sox would actually make for replacing williams and/or linebrink probably isn’t going to make much, if any, difference.
So then larry what's the ETA on Sale?
mid-August?
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Jun 28, 2010 1:28 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
i'm not larry, but i've said for a week now: by aug 10 series with twins
"If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the people he gave it to."
— Dorothy Parker
that's what they're saying.
i’m finding it kind of hard to believe. particularly since he hasn’t pitched yet as a pro.
The answer is in the fans....
One suggested late Saturday night as I drove home that they should trade for Cliff Lee and put Buerhle in the bullpen.
"Officially off strike...."
Worked for the Cubs
pioneers I tells ya
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Jun 28, 2010 1:35 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Read that Jenks' early troubles were largely mechanical
so hoping he continues to be effective, if healthy.
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that was amazing.
jeter distracted loney from the on deck circle and caused him to throw off line to home plate. he’s so clutch.
To be fair, he was probably distracted by Hawk, who was fellating Jeter in the on-deck circle.
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by DrEmilioLizardo on Jun 28, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Relief
Aren’t Hudson and Torres both supposed to be future starters? Why would we bring them up to work garbage time when we are killing/getting killed? Keep them starting games for the rest of the year. If we’re out of it in Sept. bring them up for a few starts each and then hope they make the rotation next year.
…Or am I completely off base here?
torres isn’t likely to make the white sox rotation, barring multiple injuries. he probably isn’t rotation material for most mlb teams. he’s a bullpen arm.
by larry on Jun 28, 2010 8:08 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Many thank to Teahenny Penny
for the Allagash White beer recommendation.
It helped me overcome heat stroke in lot G yesterday.
And the lingering effects afterward helped me deal calmly with the annoying Cub-fan “dudes” just to my right.
Speaking of annoying fans, there was a major fight up in the 1st base side nosebleeds around the 7th inning. The idiots (both Sox and Cub fans) decided to duke it out with Sox Security…not a smart idea. At least 4 got dragged out after about a dozen security guys descended upon the ruffians…with one literally dragged out by a security on each arm and leg.
Can’t we all just get along?
"They're a bunch of choir boys that I wouldn't want to be in a foxhole with." - Sun-Times reporter Joe Cowley on the lack of toughness of the 2010 White Sox
Safe to assume Viciedo and Jones are playing/batting tonight?
"If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the people he gave it to."
— Dorothy Parker
Sorry, tg. Not meant in reply to your call for peace in our lifetimes.
"If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the people he gave it to."
— Dorothy Parker
Good thing that game was played during the day.
Wouldn’t want Shallow Al to feel endangered.
"Strangely, Christ is a closeted homosexual…" - winningugly
by RWShow on Jun 28, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
The guy is a bigger freak than Rev. Halo.
"If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the people he gave it to."
— Dorothy Parker
Oh, I was hoping that was him being dragged out.
He was throwing a fit after someone made him spill his juice box.
"I'm tired, I've got a headache, my bullpen blew it." -South Side Expat
by Teahenny Penny on Jun 28, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Starting pitching WAR
After the abysmal start and Danks sucky ass performance yesterday :-) the starting pitching WARs stand at.
Danks 2.2
Floyd 2.2
Peavy 1.7
Buerhle 1.7
Freddy .9
for the grand total of 8.7 WAR thru 74 games or 45% of the season. That’s a pace of 18.27 for the starting pitching. Not bad and surprising considering the turd they laid to start.
Recent Sox starting staff total WARs
09 – 15.2
08- 19.7 (very underrated pitching year)
05- 19.6
"Officially off strike...."
And how does that compare to the community projections?
"If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the people he gave it to."
— Dorothy Parker
I'm not exact but I'm sure the range was probably 18-19.
You had a few dreamers like me hoping for 20 (still not out of the question by the way.)
18-19 with an avg offense and decent bullpen is 86-88 wins.
Can the offense be avg? (if not and it hasn’t can you add the “right” bat.
How much will the bullpen add? (Thornton-Jenks-Putz) have done 3.1 already alone. In other words is you have a staff lingering around 24-25 total WAR that would be tremendous.
What’s the “real” defense?
"Officially off strike...."
And finally as I added above do the Twins add Lee?
If so, that’s phucked up.
"Officially off strike...."
Oops. Just saw that you mentioned Beckham/turnaround above.
"If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the people he gave it to."
— Dorothy Parker
Slightly OT, but...
The Sox offense has been built around “carrying” a sub-average hitter for a few years now, whether by design or “had to”. I know this team has holes, but I’m in favor of keeping Beckham up here. In fact, I’d like to see him hitting/flailing second in the order, and move Omar down to 9. I’m thinking he’d see more fastballs, and be forced into some situational swings if Pierre is on base.
I wouldn’t cry if Kenny decided the opposite, but I think he still has potential to help the team here.
"If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the people he gave it to."
— Dorothy Parker
My rope is very short with Beckham now
Actually the person we really need down is Pierre. He needs to hit 9th. I’d take
1Omar
2Alexei
3Rios
4Konerko
5Q
6AJ
7Kotsay/Dayan
8Beckham
9Pierre
"Officially off strike...."
God that's ugly. But if you really need Beckham to turn it around, what's he gonna see hitting in front of Pierre?
Speaking of DeJesus…
Isn’t his BABIP unusually high?
"If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the people he gave it to."
— Dorothy Parker
Beckham is fixed now.
That was the best swing he’s taken since last year in his last at bat yesterday.
yes, I would say he is definitely close at least
hes been turning on the swing too for the first time in forever
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
by blackoutsox on Jun 28, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
You know that Beckham was one walk the entire month of June don't you?
God love him he’s cute and cuddly and all but…
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by ChicagoPete on Jun 28, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
This follows 0 xbh in May
Yeah I’m not too concerned about who hits behind him. Lord knows the opposition isn’t. I’m more concerned on his ability to produce “anything”. If he can’t he’s got to go.
"Officially off strike...."
He's been lucky the team hasn't been in the race till now,
he’s been flying way under the radar. That’s gonna change, even if he’s batting 9th.
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by ChicagoPete on Jun 28, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
and he's sluggin 200 pints higher than May.
So what?
"If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the people he gave it to."
— Dorothy Parker
points. maybe pints too.
"If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the people he gave it to."
— Dorothy Parker
points for that
"If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the people he gave it to."
— Dorothy Parker
and lets pour a 40 for my homie
dearly departed BA through June in 2006:
.196 .268 .333 .601
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by ChicagoPete on Jun 28, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I had such high hopes too.
"If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the people he gave it to."
— Dorothy Parker
he had such great hair
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by ChicagoPete on Jun 28, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes it is.
But its not like we wouldn’t take his normal line. Zips predicted an OPS of .822
"Officially off strike...."
i think id like gordon in the 2 spot
Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok
he's a 2.5 win player
regardless. i don’t think you’d have to buy high because his babip is off the charts.
Fireworks: Bang?
doesn't he already kind of hit in front of pierre?
when he bats 9th and pierre is 1, doesn’t pierre generally follow becks?
Why is this brainless, legless drunk still on my TV?-RWShow
by soxshenanigans on Jun 28, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
i was doing exactly this last night
the base assumption, i think, is that the Sox have average position players. that’s 16 WAR. 48 WAR is replacement level, so the Sox would need 26 WAR from their pitchers to get 90 WAR. the closest per fangraphs they’ve been to that over the ’05+ period was ’08 when they tallied 25.5. they really really need good Beckham, good Quentin and an additional bat.
i think the Twins are probably about 2 wins better than the Sox with half the season remaining, which makes Lee a huge problem.
not to mention we’ve been forgetting the Tigers in this calculation. if they can stick around, that would make the logic of adding Lee, at least from a profit perspective, less rock solid. if the Tigers drop out, you’ll see the Twins make up any playoff odds potentially ceded to the Sox by adding talent. and if everyone calls at the river, the Sox aren’t going to get much past 33% chance to make it.
i guess all of that means it’s too bad the Sox couldn’t turn the streak into first place.
Fireworks: Bang?
This is why I want the Sox to act now.
Its almost a military situation. The Twins who are superior would love to tread water and make calculated moves and grind it out. The Sox badly need a battle win and its first place. If they can join the Tigers with maybe a couple game lead over Minnesota it opens the door to all kind of goofy shit after the allstar break/ trade deadline. Teams react different. “Chemistry” can make a team do something they have no business doing.
Based off the start and schedules, realistically the best we could have hoped for would be a 1 and 3 shot. Nothing wrong with that, given the alternative.
"Officially off strike...."
i dunno.
i think if lee gets traded, he gets traded soon. maybe they go a different direction than lee. but they’ve got more ammo than anyone else to get him and he’s the best available talent.
we have a lee waiting in the wings named hudson
we just need a huff type bat
Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok
really? i mean, i know lee is clearly superior
but twice as better over half a season?
Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok
yeah
hudson is probably a 2-3 win pitcher over a full season. lee’s been worth 14 over the past two.
Fireworks: Bang?
And Charlie Brown.
You got to gird your loins. Life continues. There are good days. There are bad days, but you keep hustling to survive. - Chet Lemon
Paulie after a strike-out?
"I'm tired, I've got a headache, my bullpen blew it." -South Side Expat
by Teahenny Penny on Jun 28, 2010 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions
lee gets traded sooner
if the Sox make a splash.
…ugh. this was all set up in the offseason. this is why i can’t let kotsay off the hook.
Fireworks: Bang?
any other trade possibilities the Twins might have up their sleeve?
i haven’t been paying much attention to the trading block.
Fireworks: Bang?
i think oswalt makes more sense in washington
Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok
he lives
Pauli
The Trade-Maker.
by dasox313 on Jun 28, 2010 8:39 AM PDT reply actions
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
Well, color me convinced! All they need is 1 better SP, a 3B, and better hitting.
Is this the same guy who said despite the Sox streak the Twins were “just too good”?
"If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the people he gave it to."
— Dorothy Parker
they're using cuddyer at third.
if he hits what he’s supposed to, may not be much of problem anymore.
I trust your opinion more than this guy:
As a quick preview, yeah, it appears as though they could use one more starter. Slowey, Blackburn, and Baker are all better than they’ve shown in June, but the rotation as a whole could use an upgrade on one of them later in the season. They could probably use a third baseman as well, unless Valencia keeps hitting. But what they need most is patience. This is still a good team, talent-wise still the best in the AL Central. They’ve hit a rough patch, and it’s easy to lose sight of the big picture during one of those. The Twins needn’t panic, though. They’re still in a good position, and will likely be in a better one once the offense turns back around.
"If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the people he gave it to."
— Dorothy Parker
well, any team could use cliff lee.
the twins have the money and the prospects to upgrade – at multiple positions, if need be. and they’re going to. that’s what the white sox have to worry about. the twins are better than the white sox but the white sox have managed to drag themselves back into things to the point where a bit of luck here and bit of bad luck for them will make it anyone’s race. the problem is the twins can upgrade themselves more than the white sox can. should be an interesting month to the trading deadline to see how things shake out.
I miss Terry Ryan
He wouldn’t do anything at the deadline.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
They were skinflints then.
See Wirtz, Bill. Death cleanses some organizations.
You got to gird your loins. Life continues. There are good days. There are bad days, but you keep hustling to survive. - Chet Lemon
First, larry, this was a great post.
Second, in terms of Lee and how he’s been pitching, what kind of value would the Twins (or any team for that matter) really get out of him for half a season? I recall you recently talking about WAR for some players and breaking that down to a limited season. Or did I dream that? I suppose the team with the worst 5th starter gets the biggest lift from any replacement. I’d be interested in your thoughts.
let's assume he's worth 3-3.5 WAR to a team who trades for him.
obviously the sooner you acquire him, the more value you’ll get out of him.
as you point out, this isn’t simply adding 3 WAR – unless, of course, the player being replaced is replacement level or worse. none of the twins starters are likely to be that over the remainder of the season. since blackburn is probably pitching the worst and is the most likely to be replaced, i’ll use him. he’s probably a 1 WARish guy for the rest of the season. so it’s probably projected to be a couple wins improvement. if you want to keep going, maybe blackburn is better than someone in their pen and they get some improvement there, as well.
in this division, two wins is likely to be huge.
You make a good point...
about the possible added value gained by moving Blackburn to the pen. I hadn’t thought about that. Thanks for your thoughts. Always appreciated.
ugh
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
For those to lazy
The Yankees boast a .361 OBP and a .355 wOBA as a team, the best and second best marks in baseball, respectively, but they still seem to be one bat short.
"Officially off strike...."
Fuck the Yankees and their "need" for a bat.
Blow me, Mike Axisa.
ITHOUGHTGAZELLEWASGOOD -Trooper
by homesickalien on Jun 28, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
OT - Sox reality show start pushed back
From today’s Crain’s (Ed Sherman’s blog)
I don’t know when I have anticipated a TV series more, given what has happened to the White Sox on and off the field this year.
You’re going to have to wait a bit longer for the debut of “The Club,” the reality TV series about the White Sox front office. The starting date has been pushed back from July 4 to July 18 on the Major League Baseball Network.
It was a scheduling decision. July 4 isn’t a big ratings night. MLB Network wants “The Club” to be seen by a larger audience.
However, you can get a flavor for the show now. MLB Network has posted the opening on its site.
Sound bites include:
Ozzie Guillen: “It’s like a marriage. It’s not going to be perfect, but it can be good.”
Kenny Williams: “There are things I wish (Mr. Guillen) hadn’t said.”
Mr. Williams again: “We’re a lot of things around here, but we’ve never been described as being boring.”
Should be fun.
"They're a bunch of choir boys that I wouldn't want to be in a foxhole with." - Sun-Times reporter Joe Cowley on the lack of toughness of the 2010 White Sox
It's too bad Independence Day happened to fall on July 4th this year. MLB Network had no way of knowing…
"Strangely, Christ is a closeted homosexual…" - winningugly
15-8 in 1 run games
best in the majors. what does that remind you of?
Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok
The Twins?
orrrr
two naught naught five?
ITHOUGHTGAZELLEWASGOOD -Trooper
by homesickalien on Jun 28, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Twins are 0-0 in one run games
Because they win every game by an average of 8 or more runs
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reminds me of Barry Jones winning 11 games out of the bullpen
that was a fun team.
2005 also. A funner team.
His name is Rios and he dances on the sand
BBBJ is raining down Jenksgivings.
I wish the best for his wife.
Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jun 28, 2010 1:33 PM CDT reply actions
ive been out,
what’s wrong what happened?
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
uh oh spaghettios
kc rated 3rd manliest city, while chicago bumped up 39 spots to #7 overall.
http://www.bestplaces.net/docs/studies/Americas_Manliest_Cities.aspx
chicago white sox will beg to differ over these next three games
Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jun 28, 2010 1:40 PM CDT reply actions
I did not know this. I liked him back in the day:
Sox broadcaster dies: Lorn Brown, who served as play-by-play announcer on White Sox TV and radio broadcasts from 1976-79 and 1983-88, passed away Thursday in Las Cruces, N.M. He was 71.
Brown served in the dual role of TV/radio announcer with the Sox from 1976-79 and worked solely in the radio booth from 1983-88.
"If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the people he gave it to."
— Dorothy Parker
I remember he sounded a lot like Joe McConnell, and I couldnt tell them apart
His name is Rios and he dances on the sand
Probably because McConnell would take off in Sep to do the Bears:
http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/rwas/index.php?id=3310&category=11
"If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the people he gave it to."
— Dorothy Parker
Youdaman.
You got to gird your loins. Life continues. There are good days. There are bad days, but you keep hustling to survive. - Chet Lemon
Ah, the voice of my youth, along with Del Crandall.
My youth was awful.
by The Actual El Guapo on Jun 28, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Ive been out for the past 24hours,
whats going on with Jenks, what’s the family situation?
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
problem with the wife
hes on the bereavement list, and will miss the next few (at least) games
Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok
there's a front page post.
on this very site.
by larry on Jun 28, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I know,
I was just wondering if any further info has come out. I hope its not all TOO serious.
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
The White Sox got some good news on closer Bobby Jenks’ situation Monday.
Jenks’ wife, Adele, has been given a clean bill of health after taking ill on Friday.
While he is not with the team here, Jenks is expected to join the Sox either tomorrow or Wednesday.
After a sluggish start, Jenks has been on a roll of late. The big right-hander has 9 saves in his last 10 appearances and has allowed just 1 earned run in 9 innings over that stretch.
I like this lineup better than the Kotsay DH one
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
DHing Pierre
turns him into a below replacement player. his sole value is in his defense. kotsay is probably replacement level when he DHs, so whatever the value in Jones in left over Pierre is, i bet it isn’t more than what you get when Pierre DHs instead of Kotsay.
Fireworks: Bang?
if the choice is jones or pierre in LF or at DH
KW has apparently made his preference known. ozzie throwing the man a bone.
there was an article intimating that the front office was upset that pierre was playing LF when jones DHed
you know, because the article said jones had 53 gold gloves. take it for whatever it’s worth.
SB's
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
not white.
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
that's definitely not enough to make up the likely difference at the plate
and even if they are equal at the plate, pierre is still making his bones with his defense at this point.
Fireworks: Bang?
They're both dogshit at the plate.
Pierre’s speed on the paths gives the game a certain excitement level that Kotsay’s slow grindy white ass can’t provide.
On a somewhat-related note, is anybody aware if there has been any solid work done to quantify the effects of a good base-stealer’s presence on the opposing pitcher’s performance against subsequent batters? The “distraction factor”, so to speak…anything to that concept?
"Strangely, Christ is a closeted homosexual…" - winningugly
If you don't want to look for the summary
With a Stealer on first base, the improvement is 0.47 in runs per game (6.19 minus 5.72). When any runner is on first, the improvement is nearly as large, 0.40 runs per game (5.71 – 5.31). So, if we assume the improvement with Runners on first base is all due to defensive alignment, i.e., the Runners as a group don’t disrupt, then we may conclude that the Stealers provide an additional 0.07 runs per game by “disruption”
Assuming these small effects are real, how much are these base stealer intangibles worth over a season? A typical Stealer is on first base for 180-220 plate appearances per season. That corresponds to about 128 outs (for this group), which adds up to 4.75 games. Assuming the improvement due to disruption is 0.17 runs per game, this gives a measly 0.8 runs over the whole season. Let’s throw in an extra balk and a half-HBP (I didn’t include the HBPs in the OBP calculation for simplicity) and we get an additional 0.5 runs (more or less), for a grand total of about 1.3 extra runs a year
So, the next time you tune into the White Sox game and Hawk Harrelson is telling you that “Scotty” Podsednik, by virtue of his ability to disrupt the pitcher, is worth more than what his statistics show, well you now know he’s telling you the truth. Podsednik is worth a little over one more run per season.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions
He does like to cut em close,
makes me nervous sometimes
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
didnt need to sling them over
he can when he wants to though
Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok
seems like they were getting weaker since saturday, even on a few double play starts
and he should certainly want those to be fast unless he likes it when beckham gets flipped.
I know he’s not gonna whip it across anymore, and his speed is still in how fast he gets the throw off, but it wasn’t noticeably weaker to me it til recently.
The game-ending DP Saturday
had some authority on it.
You got to gird your loins. Life continues. There are good days. There are bad days, but you keep hustling to survive. - Chet Lemon
should we expect viciedo sent down soon?
i’m not sure what they’ll devise in order to spell omar, but it’s clear (at least i hope) that ozzie is not using viciedo as kw envisioned.
i’m assuming of course that kw didn’t plan on viciedo assuming the role of jayson nix.
by Craig Grebeck on Jun 28, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Totally agree
Kenny has to be pretty annoyed at Ozzie for his Viciedo usage
by nsam93 on Jun 28, 2010 5:07 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
ozzie was like this last year with Becks too just as he was called up
“if hes here then were doing bad”
maybe thats how he feels about Viciedo, which of course is stupid because having him makes you even just a little bit better than you take him. Does he not understand the concept of callups to improve a team midseason? everyone does it
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
i bet ozzie would say something like
“i don’t feel sorry for him because he’s got $10 million and some nice cars.”
oh. wait. ozzie did say that.
if I was Kenny...
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
try reading Lebron rumors
perks me right up.
Lurking since 2006
by boyonthedock on Jun 28, 2010 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Padres are leading their division, if you hadn't noticed.
You guys win. You can keep your little marked-out piece of internet territory. Spend your days communicating via keyboard with people too ugly for the real world and too nerdy for anyone to care, anyway. Your piece of land is here. Do the rest of civilization a favor and stay within its limits. You bore me. Have fun with your nightly sobs and screams into your pillow over your inability to attract a good mate, Radiohead. ~The Hooligan
by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 28, 2010 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Has Billyok asked for a Gamethread yet?
"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok
by DrEmilioLizardo on Jun 28, 2010 5:23 PM CDT reply actions
Strasburg on ESPN2.
gavin’s getting lucky? guess he has luck herpes since it seems to pop up frequently and stick around once it does. - billyok
by omnipotent grab on Jun 28, 2010 6:22 PM CDT reply actions
Doesn't know how to win.. I have better things to do with my time.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 28, 2010 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
He needs to order Freddys program.
gavin’s getting lucky? guess he has luck herpes since it seems to pop up frequently and stick around once it does. - billyok
by omnipotent grab on Jun 28, 2010 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions
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