Carlos Torres Should Be on the White Sox
by larry on Jun 5, 2010 9:00 PM CDT
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PrintCarlos Torres is a Player Who Needs to be Promoted. Another good performance tonight for Charlotte simply reinforces that Torres has nothing left to prove in the minors and also deserves more than a bullet point at the bottom of TWIWSMiLB.
By no means is Torres a good prospect. He took an extremely slow path up the organizational ladder, which explains why he's 27 years old and only just repeating AAA. He was shifted back and forth between starting and relieving and has settled into a starting role for the Knights with a season line of: 72.1 IP, 56 H, 27 BB, 73 K. He relies on a low 90s fastball with some sink and a nice cutter, which he uses against lefties. He has a passable changeup and a curveball that, when he's on, is a plus pitch with some wicked movement. As we experienced last season when he was with the White Sox, Torres often depends upon hitters chasing pitches out of the zone and that's something major league hitters are less prone to do, particularly when a pitcher, like Torres, has less than pinpoint command. Also as we experienced, particularly in his September 8 start against Oakland last year in which he retired just two batters, when his curveball is bad, he gets lit up. His approach leads to high pitch counts early in games and he lacks the stamina to retain his stuff as the pitches pile up, essentially relegating him to a bullpen role at the major league level.
So after all that, now you're asking, why should he be on the White Sox?
Simply put, he's better than Randy Williams. Williams' existence on the active roster is based solely on the fact that he throws with his left hand and Ozzie Guillen absolutely needs to have two lefties in his bullpen. Nevermind that Williams is not this season - nor has he ever been - particularly good at getting left-handers out at the major league level. Here is the list of current White Sox relievers who have done a better job: Bobby Jenks, Scott Linebrink, J.J. Putz, Sergio Santos and Matt Thornton. Ozzie could pick to face a lefty any of his relievers other than Tony Pena and expect a better result. Oh, and no one else gets lit up by righties to a near 1.000 OPS like Williams does.
There are few less meaningful roster moves than dumping your 12th pitcher, even if the replacement is probably better. But from a PR perspective, it would at least show White Sox fans that someone in the front office is actually paying attention to the poor product they keep putting out on the field and that maybe there actually are consequences for not being good at your job. And replacing him with Torres would also show that the White Sox do not fill out their roster pursuant to a rote formula based on attributes (fast guy to lead off? check. two left-handers for the bullpen? check...) and actually look at performance when making roster decisions. Regardless of his pitching hand, Torres makes the White Sox better. Do the right thing, Kenny.
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I would guess
That after they trade Putz they will call up Torres to be the swingman and spot starter. Pena will slide into more of a 7th inning role. As long as Eric Threets is healthy and throwing, Williams’ days are numbered. At least thats what i’d probably do. Who knows what the Sox will do.
A lot of air for our 25th guy.
Not much to look forward to this year, this tells me.
when i was in 9th grade i was the only one in my entire boys choir to understood my teacher
by BoeJouma on May 11, 2010 5:46 PM EDT
our prospects are injured
and our real players aren’t.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
not trying to take this discussion to a different thread, but just so that you had a better chance of seeing it.
in regards to your piece on the sox awful BABIP:
yeah, i was pretty much just saying that i thought this was a .275 BABIP team. in no way was i trying to suggest that they’re a .250 team for the season, just that these 2 months are not as outrageous if they actually are a .275 team.
Cashing checks and having sex.
Not sure if this is the earth shaking move to be made.
Something must be done, if you have to send Gavin down to AAA to get right and call up Hudson, we need to do something.
I got a pain in my side on this side, i got a pain on my side on this side. My knees hurt, my elbow hurts like LeBron. Most of all my head hurts, my psyche's hurt. I'm hurting all over my body!
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 5, 2010 10:37 PM CDT reply actions
sending down a guy who doesn't have options remaining
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Just wondering,
and sorry if this is dumb, but couldn’t they throw him on the 15-day for some reason and have him do a little rehab stint?
"I just want people to remember there's a guy in between these things."
by Teahenny Penny on Jun 6, 2010 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions
great
who wants to magle his arm first?
He should be suspended. That is a flat-out, absolute disgrace to the umpiring profession, what this guy has been doing. West doesn’t care. -Hawk
Because he’s a f—-ing a—hole, that’s what he is. - Ozzie
Don't need to...Just do a Willis
and say Gavin has an anxiety disorder or that he lost his BHB
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Jun 6, 2010 10:48 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
D-Train showed yesterday that he actually did have anxiety issues.
The man needs lumber in his hands or he’s a train wreck.
"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT
by Black Sox Baseball on Jun 6, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
semantics
do something, is the point.
I got a pain in my side on this side, i got a pain on my side on this side. My knees hurt, my elbow hurts like LeBron. Most of all my head hurts, my psyche's hurt. I'm hurting all over my body!
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 6, 2010 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions
The real problem is the lackluster offense.
I know Cy Talbot is a stud, I had him on my fantasy team, but jesus h, the guy fucking sucks. There is no reason why that we shouldn’t put a 10 spot on him every time he pitches against us. He does seem to win though, kind of like Freddy. Shitty pitcher, finds a way to win. Seems like there are a lot of those this year, only 1 of them is on the white sox.
I got a pain in my side on this side, i got a pain on my side on this side. My knees hurt, my elbow hurts like LeBron. Most of all my head hurts, my psyche's hurt. I'm hurting all over my body!
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 5, 2010 10:41 PM CDT reply actions
You're right. Let's dump Peavy, Floyd, Buehrle, and that bum Danks
for Silva, Talbot, Blackburn and Lowe. With Garcia that rotation is 33-13!
by Shoeless In SC on Jun 5, 2010 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions
you forgot Livan Hernandez
I got a pain in my side on this side, i got a pain on my side on this side. My knees hurt, my elbow hurts like LeBron. Most of all my head hurts, my psyche's hurt. I'm hurting all over my body!
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 6, 2010 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Hell yeah. 6-man rotation!
We’d win 120 games
by Shoeless In SC on Jun 6, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
You didn't consult CHESSFU, obviously.
In early may I stated by 6-12-10, DA CLUB would be 12 games out of first. Well we are right on track. It’s time to face the facts. These players should be moved.
1) Mark Burehle- MB is a NL pitcher right now. After the 4th inning he begins to throw too many bad pitches. He should be trade to ST. LOUIS.
2) Bobby Jenks- He has lost hos mojo, trade now.
3) Paulie- This guy has the body language of a 6 year old. When he’s off he’s way off. Send him to the Angels.
4) AJ- Tough call, but he has the right to refuse a trade if KW doesn’t move him now.
5) Scott Linebrink- This guy is a team killer, all night the ump was calling outside strikes. He throws a fast ball over the middle of the plate. BYE BYE BALL.
THESE PLAYERS SHOULDE BE MOVED BUT WON’T:
6) Jake Peavy- KW can move him now, or be forced to move him back to NL next year. This guy isn’t a AL pitcher.
7) Mark Teahen- Doesn’t play 3rd well at all. Has a weak bat, was brought in to cut down on errors. How is that working out?
8) Juan Pierre- Nice guy, just doesn’t deliver with men in scoring position that often.
9) Carlos Q- He might have had one good season. But he should be moved so younger talent can take his spot.
10) A Jones- has fallen back to earth- nice knowing you.
11) Ramon Castro- Why does this back up catcher, rarely hit the ball.
12) Mark Kotsay- Nice guy, but his time should be over as well.
13) Gavin Floyd- What happen? Gavin might be another Javier V.
A lot of people are blaming KW, Ozzie and GW. And they share the blame ( twice we had bases loaded and 1 out and could not push a run home when needed) Too many first pitch swinging= pop ups.
But the real reason, are the players not producing as we expected. The CELL is a great place to watch a ball game. Keep coming out to the park, bring your fam & friends. But don’t hold your breath for DA CLUB to make a run before it’s too late.
PLEASE send Gordon Beckham back to the farm, so he can work on his hitting. I keep hearing how great DA CLUB farm system is, then BRING THEM UP. Take a page out of TAMPA BAY’s playbook.
Make these players go away, put DA CLUB in position for CLIFF LEE a TRUE AL PITCHER. DA CLUB will need at least 2 proven AL pitchers to go forward. DA CLUB only has one quailty starter.
A) John Danks- This guy’s a bull dog.
B) Cliff Lee is the trade KW should have made. If he had not gone GAGA over Jake Peavy.
http://www.csnchicago.com/pages/messageboard?did=194&f_act=topic&topid=1622
Chicago White Sox Examiner — IT'S A JEEP THING YOU WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND
These updates are great. Thanks.
"I just want people to remember there's a guy in between these things."
by Teahenny Penny on Jun 6, 2010 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions
we need a standing pot for whoever finds ssh
He should be suspended. That is a flat-out, absolute disgrace to the umpiring profession, what this guy has been doing. West doesn’t care. -Hawk
Because he’s a f—-ing a—hole, that’s what he is. - Ozzie
I think he lives in Utica
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 6, 2010 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions
There's so much awesomeness in this. It's like a Where's Waldo? book
You find something new everytime you look at it
by Shoeless In SC on Jun 6, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
I found the standing pot and SSH
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 6, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
The mullet. The cordless. can of busch light. bottle of coors light? extension cord. no toilet paper, and what appears...
to be a cat house (beneath the busch light)
by Shoeless In SC on Jun 6, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Well now I'm looking forward to a 2011 season with Danks pitching, Thornton catching, and Alexei / Rios playing the field - assuming Becks isn't called back up.
I’d rather know who we need to package to pick up specific players than how our club sucks / how good our farm…is…
"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT
by Black Sox Baseball on Jun 6, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
"The body language of a 6 year old."
Does anyone other than me get creeped out by that?
I do like that we have a team of nice guys. But you know what Durocher said.
when i was in 9th grade i was the only one in my entire boys choir to understood my teacher
by BoeJouma on May 11, 2010 5:46 PM EDT
Speaking of which, we anxiously await the photos of your epic encounter with Al Yellon the other evening.
"ive taken time to make sure this was tpyo free" - BoeJouma
he's grown too powerful to confront.
i know everyone has been waiting for when al yellon would start covering the white sox. well, that day has arrived. no more complaining about no recaps. al’s got it covered.
http://chicago.sbnation.com/2010/6/6/1503783/white-sox-indians-game-three-sweep
now thats just wrong
He should be suspended. That is a flat-out, absolute disgrace to the umpiring profession, what this guy has been doing. West doesn’t care. -Hawk
Because he’s a f—-ing a—hole, that’s what he is. - Ozzie
that assclown is gonna ruin this sbnation.
how long till he writes a ’there’s still reason to believe’ article for our horseshit south side team?
fuck al yellon.
Cashing checks and having sex.
I hate like hell admitting this,
but i agree with everything you say here. you fucking little prick.
well its 2:16 am
He should be suspended. That is a flat-out, absolute disgrace to the umpiring profession, what this guy has been doing. West doesn’t care. -Hawk
Because he’s a f—-ing a—hole, that’s what he is. - Ozzie
Sickels AL Central Draft Preview
CHICAGO WHITE SOX
1) Deck McGuire, RHP, Georgia Tech
2) Jacob Petricka, RHP, Indiana State University
3) Jacoby Jones, SS, Richton HS, Mississippi
3S) Adam Plutko, RHP, Glendora HS, Upland, CA
COMMENT: I think the White Sox would be happy if McGuire fell to them; he’s polished but has enough physical ability to avoid turning out like Lance Broadway or Kyle McCulloch. Petricka has a great arm but is too raw for the first round; the Sox would have to polish him up but the upside is considerable. I think Jones is an intriguing player and potentially a bargain in the third round, based on talent. But he also has Scott Boras links and a Louisiana State scholarship as leverage: it would probably take supplemental money to sign him, and I don’t know if the White Sox would do that. Plutko has a very live arm but is somewhat erratic and also has signability issues.
http://www.minorleagueball.com/
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
When was the last time the Sox were successful at polishing a player?
"ass hole thi is the same line up whit leftys you idiot"
...
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Jun 6, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Santos (so far)
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 6, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
I forgot - he came through our minor league and we brought him up
"ass hole thi is the same line up whit leftys you idiot"
No it was in response to the preview post
"ass hole thi is the same line up whit leftys you idiot"
3 of our first 4 picks on pitching
That’s awesome. Not that it really matters, but I hope KW at least tries to fill out our positions
by Shoeless In SC on Jun 6, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
I for one, would like the sox to take a position player in the draft.
pitchers are too much of a crapshoot in my opinion. Look at the turds that we have recently laid taking pitchers. our team currently can’t hit or pitch but I think the pitching is closer to being set than the hitting is.
Kenwo4life=ratings
I would for one would like a NEW MANAGEMENT team to select the player
any player, I don’t care, just so long as its not KW and his team of mis-fits
"ass hole thi is the same line up whit leftys you idiot"
i think we'll see them go with a position player this high up
i like college position players in most of the first, but late you might be better off with a Poreda-type.
I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.
My favorite part of this team is the "stay the course" mentallity
are we past the “its still early in the season” part? Are we just missing a couple bullets to reload, will they have more than 5o cents at the end of the season, will the refocus on defense and running in spring training correct all this next season, is camp Joey going into full swing for the winter….???
"ass hole thi is the same line up whit leftys you idiot"
Torres will likely be...
the fifth starter by next month. Hopefully, the Sox will move a bout 10 players for prospects.
Oh wait, I forgot we’re talking about the White Sox. Kenny is going to try to win the World Series next year.
KW's philosophy has always been play for the present...
while planning for the future. He will never, ever, go into full rebuild. He doesn’t know how. Even if he tried he’d mess it up.
by Shoeless In SC on Jun 6, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
dem sox lek like a bunged up chicken
by jah rasta man on Jun 6, 2010 10:51 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
A constipated chicken?
That’s pretty awesome.
by Shoeless In SC on Jun 6, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
I've started writing a world cup preview
if anyone else is planning one let me know and I’ll can it – should be ready for late tomorrow or Tuesday. But there is a lot of info to sift through, and I don’t want anyone to start one and publish at the same time.
So if you want to do it let me know and I’ll stop – but it’s gonna take a couple of hours to write and I’m off out on the piss tonight.
cheers
Hurry up and write it.
I don’t know a lick about anything and would like to read up on it.
by Shoeless In SC on Jun 6, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Please, I'll read a 5,000 word essay on cricket to distract myself from this trainwreck.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 6, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
It's all you
can you save it til later in the week, though, so it stays atop the right-rail a bit longer? Let’s just make that the World Cup thread.
i can just repost it so it stays up there
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