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White Sox Finally "Publicly" Acknowledge Trade Intentions

In a series of tweets, Buster Olney announced what we've all been waiting to hear; the White Sox are in fire sale mode.

Heard this from multiple executives: The White Sox have made it clear they are open for business, and ready to trade off parts from what has been a very disappointing team. The perception of other teams is that Paul Konerko is available right now, and as we know, Chicago GM Ken Williams is a deal-maker,someone who will move quickly -- as he did with the Contreras and Thome deals last fall.

The last time we heard the phrase "open for business" in regards to the Sox was prior to the '06 winter meetings that netted Gavin Floyd, which was followed a few weeks later by the surprise Danks-for-McCarthy trade. Hopefully, the Sox can get that type of return this summer. They haven't exactly come out on the winning end of many trades since that winter.

Complicating matters are players with 10/5 rights. Pierzynski will earn his next week, and Buehrle next month (Buehrle also has a $1M contract escalator, plus a vesting 5th year should he be traded). Paul Konerko is already a 10/5 guy, who has the right to refuse a trade, but doesn't seem like the type who would actually invoke that right.

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Wow didn't know Tyler Flowers was ready yet

He should be suspended. That is a flat-out, absolute disgrace to the umpiring profession, what this guy has been doing. West doesn’t care. -Hawk

Because he’s a f—-ing a—hole, that’s what he is. - Ozzie

by blackoutsox on Jun 7, 2010 12:42 PM CDT reply actions  

pass

He should be suspended. That is a flat-out, absolute disgrace to the umpiring profession, what this guy has been doing. West doesn’t care. -Hawk

Because he’s a f—-ing a—hole, that’s what he is. - Ozzie

by blackoutsox on Jun 7, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seemed better than Ramon too

but I know, SSS

Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.

by NorthSidePaulie on Jun 7, 2010 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

shouldnt be too hard

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jun 7, 2010 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

aren't you a cubs fan?

He should be suspended. That is a flat-out, absolute disgrace to the umpiring profession, what this guy has been doing. West doesn’t care. -Hawk

Because he’s a f—-ing a—hole, that’s what he is. - Ozzie

by blackoutsox on Jun 7, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

AJ is loved by most fans, not just Sox fans.

Clearly you didn’t see the poll.

"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT

by Black Sox Baseball on Jun 7, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

So what if he is?

poor, innocent cheat eating his dippin' dots when tragedy strikes.

by homesickalien on Jun 7, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

As a fan of AJ

Who knows he doesn’t actually bring much value to the field anymore, I’d rather he get to play somewhere else and win. There’s no reason to keep him around, our season is over.

Fuck Tradition! - phastphil

by Grinder in Training on Jun 7, 2010 12:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Poor PR.

He’s probably debating what 7 syllable or less phrase can express his frustration.

Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jun 7, 2010 1:04 PM CDT reply actions  

she's a she

"A brief but trenchant analysis of Scott Podsednik

He’s dogshit."
by NYRoyal on Jan 8, 2010 8:56 AM PST

by U-God on Jun 7, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Man, there are alot more women on this blog than I would expect.

I’ll try to keep a mental list for future pronoun usage.

Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jun 7, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know, what is the count at now, 5?

In my life I have seen only like 3 (not counting female filled SSS meet ups)

Lupe, release the balloons!

by LT_sox_fan on Jun 7, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

we counting CSQ? or furby?

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jun 7, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Btw,

Your signature hurts me U-God. : ( We got what we paid for…

Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jun 7, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

this me. i'm a woman

GO BLACKHAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG WTH just happened somebody needs more than one day off.

by pierzynskirules on Jun 8, 2010 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

As we are already going to be subjected to 4 more months of misery regardless...

…if Kenny makes some moves or sits on his hands, I’m in favor of doing whatever it takes to make the team better now or in the future. This season blows worse than ’07, which was a particularly blow-tacular season.

If it involves shipping fan favorites, I tip my hat to them, thank them for 2005 and bid them farewell. That is, as long as we get something decent for them.

"I've indicated that I don't approve of the Arizona law. I think it's the wrong approach." – Pres. Obama on the AZ law allowing law enforcement officials to question suspected illegal immigrants about their immigration status

by tailgater on Jun 7, 2010 1:13 PM CDT reply actions  

But what

counts as a ‘decent’ return for any of them? AJ isn’t going to have much value, given that he can’t produce at the plate. Paulie….I don’t know…what are we all expecting in returns here? Salary dump? Actual prospects? What counts as a win with gutting this team?

Charles Barkley & Terry Boers are the two smartest men in the history of human civilization.

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jun 7, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I honestly don't know, which is why I ask

Charles Barkley & Terry Boers are the two smartest men in the history of human civilization.

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jun 7, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Having money to pay better players

and maybe getting some halfway decent bodies for the minor league system. Not sure how good the latter though either.

Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.

by NorthSidePaulie on Jun 7, 2010 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

looks like that vegas bet will be lost....

damn.

This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training

by Jack M on Jun 7, 2010 1:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Teahen

I saw on twitter today Teahen looking for a boat to rent for sailing on this beautiful Chicago afternoon, to which I suggested that Kenny should help him and out and ship his ass out of here… too bad there won’t be any takers

Lupe, release the balloons!

by LT_sox_fan on Jun 7, 2010 1:18 PM CDT reply actions  

and I am actually still trying to support the guy

But going to that 10-1 fiasco on Friday left me really pissed off (not Mark’s fault, but my anger is blind). Usually the patio party takes care of any pains, but even that didn’t do anything, it was shit

Lupe, release the balloons!

by LT_sox_fan on Jun 7, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Buster has too much to say to be constrained (more)

by 140 character limits.

His name is Rios and he dances on the sand

by Nordhagen on Jun 7, 2010 1:20 PM CDT reply actions  

I need my Tim Kurkjian through text.

His voice kills me.

"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT

by Black Sox Baseball on Jun 7, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

bark. woof. ruff.

Oh Teahan, you’re so funny.

Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jun 7, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

the auto tag feature is a bit hit and miss

does anyone know a bit about it? I’ve just published my world cup preview and it’s auto tagged Slovakia, Cameroon and Serbia and ignored Spain, Germany etc. makes it look half cocked.

by hoodlight on Jun 7, 2010 1:26 PM CDT reply actions  

with players, it obviously can't pick them up

if you just use last names or nicknames, so it only picks up like a quarter of the players I mention. Dn why it can’t deal with country names though. Unless you called them Spaniards and Germans?

I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.

by colintj on Jun 7, 2010 1:30 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

it has picked up some players

and I liked that bit – but ignoring Spain and Germany whilst tagging South Korea seems a bit daft – anyway I hope you like it. I’ll do some updates as the tournament progresses.

by hoodlight on Jun 7, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

you're right, and they don't really do a whole lot

especially since this is a baseball blog…

look forward to reading it

by The Cheat on Jun 7, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

the baseball ones don't do a whole lot either

the player cards are pretty lame.

I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.

by colintj on Jun 7, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

How is the pelvis, Elvis?

when i was in 9th grade i was the only one in my entire boys choir to understood my teacher
by BoeJouma on May 11, 2010 5:46 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 7, 2010 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

What's obviously going to happen

is that the Brent Morel conference call will be rescheduled for for June 14…and that’ll be the day Omar Vizquel is shipped off elsewhere and Morel will be promoted to the majors.

Chicago White Sox Examiner — IT'S A JEEP THING YOU WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND

by UribeAuction on Jun 7, 2010 1:28 PM CDT reply actions  

i believe you meant

“clearly going to happen”

I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.

by colintj on Jun 7, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

am i the only one who thinks a majority of the yes votes for aj

are people who are say the want him gone? i highly doubt he will be gone in a weeks time. when he IS shipped out though, id like to see lucy get all the starting time he can handle.

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jun 7, 2010 1:45 PM CDT reply actions  

I voted yes.

But I don’t want him to leave. I just have a feeling Kenny’s gonna get rid of him before he gets 10/5 rights.

Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jun 7, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

same here

Lupe, release the balloons!

by LT_sox_fan on Jun 7, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree it's too early to call up Flowers

but why not play Castro and Lucy? I was a yes vote.

Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.

by NorthSidePaulie on Jun 7, 2010 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

more buster
Some rival executives find these to be the most interesting White Sox, in possible trades:Thornton, who they assume is probably unobtainable; and Andruw Jones, a cheap power hitter ($500,000 base) in a year in which teams are starved for offense Some teams like Konerko but shudder at taking on $8 m still owed for this year; Peavy considered by some flat-out untradeable.

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jun 7, 2010 1:49 PM CDT reply actions  

getting someone to take Konerko's full contract for this season

would be a coup

I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.

by colintj on Jun 7, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

i dont see why not

they is still money somewhere to be found, given the damon bullshit

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jun 7, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not anymore

attendance too low and headed downward.

Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.

by NorthSidePaulie on Jun 7, 2010 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

good point

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jun 7, 2010 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

i doubt it

I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.

by colintj on Jun 7, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

he's raking it in this year, could be valuable for those in playoff hunt, or is that a super ignorant comment

about aj, if we can’t get much for him, i say keep

This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jun 8, 2010 3:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

okay

This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jun 8, 2010 7:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

*minor

I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.

by colintj on Jun 7, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Anyone but Thorny. Please don't take Thorny.

poor, innocent cheat eating his dippin' dots when tragedy strikes.

by homesickalien on Jun 7, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Someone on here mentioned Thorny's close to peak

and if we don’t think we’ll be fielding a championship caliber team for a few years it might be better to see what you can get for him rather than hope he stays viable 2-3 years from now.

“Sell high buy low”

Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.

by NorthSidePaulie on Jun 7, 2010 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wait, is HSA a girl too?

Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jun 8, 2010 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good to know.

Already called two she’s he’s.

Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jun 8, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Play it safe.

Assume everyone around here is a woman.

"I just want people to remember there's a guy in between these things."

by Teahenny Penny on Jun 8, 2010 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

But don't expect sandwiches made at the meet-up.

"I just want people to remember there's a guy in between these things."

by Teahenny Penny on Jun 8, 2010 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

i would hope danks and thorny are untouchable

fuck, i hope they are untalkaboutable

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jun 7, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind moving Buerhle

"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score

by Tdogg on Jun 7, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

its a sad day when that thought even pops in to ones head.

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jun 7, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah I know

but Hudson has made me comfortable and a little payroll flexibility would help

"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score

by Tdogg on Jun 7, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd hope so too

I just was asking because he’s obviously valuable, and his name wasn’t mentioned.

Fuck Tradition! - phastphil

by Grinder in Training on Jun 7, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh my the draft is today

combine that with the rumors that WE’RE HAVING A FIRE… SALE! and this is quite easily the most exciting day of the White Sox’ season, perhaps only behind opening day.

by CWSKeith on Jun 7, 2010 1:54 PM CDT reply actions  

our offense hasnt been too bad of late.

25 run in the last 6 games

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jun 7, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just in time for the starting pitching (except for Garcia)

totally fall apart.

Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.

by NorthSidePaulie on Jun 7, 2010 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

"I can't believe I" fail

Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.

by NorthSidePaulie on Jun 7, 2010 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was a better time.
As is apparent from the score, Ozzie Guillen’s crew won through a shutout and performed all facets of the game with a skill level that would have made the 2005 squad proud. It was truly a near-flawless opening effort.

By the way, there was something about a nice play by Buehrle on that day. Pretty cool.

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100405&content_id=9079870&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT

by Black Sox Baseball on Jun 7, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

OH THE BURNING, IT BURNS ME!!! EVACUATE ALL THE CHILDREN!!

WE’RE HAVING A FIRE……SALE?

Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jun 8, 2010 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

I CANT EVEN SEE WHERE THE KNOB IS

I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production.

by colintj on Jun 8, 2010 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hahaha, Tobias, you blowhard.

Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jun 8, 2010 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

AAAAMMMMAAAZING GRAAAACE....

"I just want people to remember there's a guy in between these things."

by Teahenny Penny on Jun 8, 2010 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope the fire sale is followed by some sort of admission of where they went wrong

indulging the manager over the DH business – was that ‘enough rope to hang yourself’, or will the FO admit some sort of collective responsiblity?
I think if KW doesn’t fire Ozzie now, he will look weak, whether you agree with it or not.

by hoodlight on Jun 7, 2010 1:58 PM CDT reply actions  

He looked weak when he let him use Mark Kotsay instead of a real DH.

No reason to fire him now, the season’s over, it won’t make anything better. He’s a decent manager, he just should never be allowed to have such an influence on personnel decisions again.

Fuck Tradition! - phastphil

by Grinder in Training on Jun 7, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Why not Grind?

Clearly he is having a BALL with his roster.

"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score

by Tdogg on Jun 7, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

This line actually made me weep:

“We were so bad defensively that I had the (designated hitter) making errors,” Guillen joked.

poor, innocent cheat eating his dippin' dots when tragedy strikes.

by homesickalien on Jun 7, 2010 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Comments like this

Do not lead to a Good Day.

Fuck Tradition! - phastphil

by Grinder in Training on Jun 7, 2010 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm more frustrated with KW than Ozzie.

The main reason we usually fail is because the players under-achieve. Besides Jones / Kotsay, KW is responsible for putting the under-achieving players on the field. Guillen wanted speed and Pierre resulted. Guillen wanted defense and Teahen resulted. Hell, the Peavy deal looks pretty awful right now.

Normally the only thing directly linked to Ozzie is the DH issue. To be real, if Jones offered the power of Thome and Kotsay offered the speed that Thome lacked then the platoon would actually make sense. Unfortunately the idea was based on stats that the two players had years ago (besides Andruw’s hot start) rather than present reality. Smells a lot like KW’s Griffey.

Just how I view it.

"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT

by Black Sox Baseball on Jun 7, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I realize no one thought Peavy would dominate the AL

Like he did the NL and Petco, but I can’t imagine most people thought he would this bad.

Fuck Tradition! - phastphil

by Grinder in Training on Jun 7, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right. No one thought the rotation would be this bad in general.

My point is it’s a stretch to blame anyone besides the players right now – but if I had to choose, I wouldn’t blame Guillen over KW.

"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT

by Black Sox Baseball on Jun 7, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

guillen has blown a lot of opportunities already

like letting omar bat with the bases loaded 2 outs in the bottom of the ninth down 2 or 3 runs the other day

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jun 7, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I mean, Omar is batting .333 in his last 12 games.

I don’t know what all star you wanted to bat for him, but there’s not a lot of hot bats to choose from.

And I get that this is just one example. You want to blame Ozzie – fine. I’m just not as willing.

"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT

by Black Sox Baseball on Jun 7, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Boss has to put his workers in a position to succeed. He knows if he puts guys like Kotsay and Vizquel on the roster, this how they are going to get used.

I get as frustrated with Ozzie as the next guy, but he’s a known factor, it’s not like it should be a surprise to see these decisions.

Fuck Tradition! - phastphil

by Grinder in Training on Jun 7, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, I'm excited to see which...

pedestrian pitching arm the Sox pick that they can safely sign without risk.

by NLaloosh on Jun 7, 2010 2:04 PM CDT reply actions  

i'll be pumped if mcguire falls to them

if not, wimmers or wojciechowski work for me. how awesome will it be to see wojciechowski on the back of a jersey?

"A brief but trenchant analysis of Scott Podsednik

He’s dogshit."
by NYRoyal on Jan 8, 2010 8:56 AM PST

by U-God on Jun 7, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

McGuire may fall to them

but it’s unlikely the Sox go over slot to sign him.

Chicago White Sox Examiner — IT'S A JEEP THING YOU WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND

by UribeAuction on Jun 7, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Only if I don't have to

read his columns while wearing the jersey…

Charles Barkley & Terry Boers are the two smartest men in the history of human civilization.

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jun 7, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

that accounts for 95% of my scouting

the awsomeness of the name

He should be suspended. That is a flat-out, absolute disgrace to the umpiring profession, what this guy has been doing. West doesn’t care. -Hawk

Because he’s a f—-ing a—hole, that’s what he is. - Ozzie

by blackoutsox on Jun 7, 2010 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the firesale (if it happens) is still weeks away. AJ's "deadline" be damned.

My only point of reference though, is when KW was “striking early” when he got Freddy in ’04 (June 27), and Everett in ’03 (July 1).

I can’t remember anyone doing a firesale-type trade much before that…

His name is Rios and he dances on the sand

by Nordhagen on Jun 7, 2010 2:22 PM CDT reply actions  

You are probable right in that people

“assume” its a firesale. I’d still be shocked to see Kenny pack it in without “One” attempt to salvage the season.

"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score

by Tdogg on Jun 7, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

But what aspect of the team

do you focus on to try and fix with that one guy? The hitting? The defense? The rotation?

Charles Barkley & Terry Boers are the two smartest men in the history of human civilization.

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jun 7, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't necessarily mean 1 guy - more moves in general

Promotions – demotions. As far as the answer to your question a bat. Yes this season is over with a 90+ certainy but look at the schedule again. Thru June The Sox opponents collective record (cubs added twice) is 25 games under .500. They play 2 series out of the next 7 vs teams with winning records.

The Twins? Five out of 7 vs winning teams with a collective record of .500

I mean this really “should” be moving days/weeks for the team if they actually had the “gasp” balls to play over .500 ball.

So if you want to sell everything, you are kind of faced with that. But you have to make some changes and right damn now.

"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score

by Tdogg on Jun 7, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

we also got destroyed by the last place indians

He should be suspended. That is a flat-out, absolute disgrace to the umpiring profession, what this guy has been doing. West doesn’t care. -Hawk

Because he’s a f—-ing a—hole, that’s what he is. - Ozzie

by blackoutsox on Jun 7, 2010 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is Carlos Silva truly 8-0?

did not see that one coming!

This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training

by Jack M on Jun 7, 2010 3:22 PM CDT reply actions  

One of the Signs of the Apocalypse

"This is why women aren't in charge of sports." - The retort of CNBC anchor Mark Haines to fellow anchor Erin Burnett’s comment that Jim Joyce’s ultimate handling of the infamous perfect game blown call was "beautiful."

by tailgater on Jun 7, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

OT

just went to the goatee after 5 years of beardedness. mixed feelings aplenty.

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jun 7, 2010 3:52 PM CDT reply actions  

goatees

are rarely right. got to show proper commitment to the facial hair. all or nothing.

by craigws on Jun 7, 2010 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

makes my face look thinner

yet a bitch to maintain.

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jun 7, 2010 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yay

Fire sale!!! I was at the Peavy game the other night and it was just sad…you knew the wouldn’t score a thing off Cy Talbert. It’s not allowed to hit him.

Sorry I’ve been MIA (although some of you have no doubt enjoyed the respite) I moved from DC back to Evanston recently. My house has no internet, so I’m stuck on my phone. I can only read the posts at this point. Peace and love, gentlemen/ladies.

Charles Barkley & Terry Boers are the two smartest men in the history of human civilization.

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jun 7, 2010 4:00 PM CDT reply actions  

based on the pain ive felt in the last hour

I’m gonna guess I get admitted to the hospital. We’re gonna need a draft thread for tonight.

by The Cheat on Jun 7, 2010 4:06 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

jesus christ the 2010 whitesox

arent that bad!?!

just kidding, hope you get through it sooner then later. out of curiosity, how did you break it?

Look I just want to pass my last Microsoft exam and sleep with white women.
by Tdogg on Mar 10, 2010 11:29 PM CST

I'm with MM on this one. Some can pull it off for a while, but eventually
they all think with their pussies.
by Chiburb on May 11, 2010 1:11 PM CDT

by Grinder Rule #42 on Jun 7, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

/mutters something about TP's mother

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jun 7, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

You goon.

Is she the one that told you to shave?

"I just want people to remember there's a guy in between these things."

by Teahenny Penny on Jun 7, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

no, summer weather did.

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jun 7, 2010 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

not admitted

But doc says bouts of excruciating pain are to be expected for a week or more

by The Cheat on Jun 7, 2010 5:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

ouch.

quite literally.

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jun 7, 2010 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

What about Ozzie?

I understand this is far from a great team, but I still think it’s capable of getting back into the race in this pathetic division. Detroit’s pitching staff is a bit of a mess and their rookies are due to slump in the second half. MN has major health issues and a shallow bullpen. I believe KC has been the best team in the division over the last month since changing managers.

I’d rather see Kenny make a change at manager first to see if a change in leadership can light a fire under these guys first before selling off guys like AJ, Buehrle and PK when I can’t see them getting much back in return.

If he’s going to deal a reliever, I’d rather it be Jenks or Putz as Thornton is our only respectable lefty.

by Wayne Nordhagen on Jun 7, 2010 4:10 PM CDT reply actions  

names

Orlando Hudson – DL-wrist, J.J. Hardy-wrist problems-DL likely, Thome – plantar fasciatis, Alexi Casilla-DL until late July/August. Neshek and Condrey- DL.

That’s quite a bit. And Cuddyer has been in and out of the lineup with various issues lately as well.

by Wayne Nordhagen on Jun 7, 2010 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am not too impressed with the Twins

and if i thought the sox had a reasonable chance to catch up i would agree with you…. but i dont. the roster is too fucked. the manager is fucked and the minor league system is fucked. might as well rip it down…. not that you are going to get a whole lot for anyone.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jun 7, 2010 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

that being said it is awfully early to pull the plug

with so many games left between the sox and twins and sox and tigers. Id wait til july 1st.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jun 7, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's because you have season tickets

This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jun 8, 2010 3:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

cuddyer was out for his father in law's death

nothing is the matter with him

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jun 7, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

well maybe he really liked his father in law

and is sinking into a depression… j/k who really likes their father in law?? haha

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jun 7, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

oops

Well, death is a health issue. JK, didn’t realize why he was out. Anyway, I still say he’s due to get hurt. In any case, he played 2B prior to his father-in-law dying which tells you a lot about their actual health issues in the middle infield. For a team that relies so much on defense for success, losing their middle infield is likely to take its toll.

KenWo, I agree with everything you say. I’m just saying that possibly changing the fucked manager could make a difference enough to get back into this thing. Can’t see trades fixing the current roster or minor leagues anytime soon.

by Wayne Nordhagen on Jun 7, 2010 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't see why you think the manager needs to hold everybody's hands to win.

You shouldn’t be allowed to bet on this team after they pull off a W because there shouldn’t be sure things in gambling – and the Sox surely lose. A strange trend like that makes me think there’s more wrong with this team than just moral. That is, unless the players get depressed after a win, of course.

"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT

by Black Sox Baseball on Jun 7, 2010 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

more than a trend

In his seven years of managing, Ozzie has never proven that he can turn around a struggling team. In 2005, they got off to a great start but stumbled to the finish line only to be helped by Cleveland falling a little short in the end. 2008 would have gone down as one of the biggest chokes in team history had the Twins not pissed themselves against KC on the final weekend. Every other year, the Sox have slumped at some point and gone into a downward spiral from there.

But beyond that, I’ve just seen to little accountability this year from Ozzie for this team’s general sense of malaise. I’ve seen several Sox players loafing around worse than Hanley Ramirez and Guillen has done nothing. I feel like Ozzie is looking forward to taking that job in the Fox booth and doesn’t seem that interested in what’s going on with his team. Maybe if he did, he wouldn’t just let Vizquel hit with the bases loaded in the bottom of the ninth.

by Wayne Nordhagen on Jun 7, 2010 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're using 2005 as an example of finishing poorly?

Nothing says finishing poorly like an 11-1 postseason. Look, if you want to say a bad manager lets his team worry about how they finished the season instead of gearing up for the playoffs then fine, that’s a bad manager. However, the team didn’t do that and actually won the World Series that year. So does a good manager do the opposite and force his players to forget about the close ending and strive for success in the playoffs? Does Ozzie fit that category to you?

2008 would have gone down as one of the biggest chokes in team history had the Twins not pissed themselves against KC on the final weekend.

Oh, and, you know, had we not beaten them in the tiebreaker. Nothing says choking quite like winning when it matters the most.

"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT

by Black Sox Baseball on Jun 7, 2010 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

FJT.

"mark kotsay had 9 LOB tonight. they should shoot him in the face in front of his kids." by MM June 1st

by South Side Expat on Jun 7, 2010 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Find me a team that doesn't have a slump at some point during the year

“Every other year, the Sox have slumped at some point” is not evidence of Ozzie’s abilities one way or another.

by joewho112 on Jun 8, 2010 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

that's a whole bunch of who cares.

which maybe adds up to a small something. the twins have the depth to replace such players. let me know if they start having injury issues with their primary, or even secondary, players. it’s 9 games to the twins. that’s massive.

by larry on Jun 7, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

who has been out the entire season

and who matters very little in the grand scheme of this year

"A brief but trenchant analysis of Scott Podsednik

He’s dogshit."
by NYRoyal on Jan 8, 2010 8:56 AM PST

by U-God on Jun 7, 2010 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

so we thought, i'm not so sure it matters this year

This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jun 8, 2010 3:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Great. Now that the season has been declared over we can have 10 straight months of rosterbation. Weeee!!

Who wants to be the first to propose a ludricrous trade scenario in which we give up some B-level prospects for Prince Fielder?

by joewho112 on Jun 7, 2010 4:22 PM CDT reply actions  

names

Orlando Hudson – DL-wrist, J.J. Hardy-wrist problems-DL likely, Thome – plantar fasciatis, Alexi Casilla-DL until late July/August. Neshek and Condrey- DL.

That’s quite a bit. And Cuddyer has been in and out of the lineup with various issues lately as well.

by Wayne Nordhagen on Jun 7, 2010 4:25 PM CDT reply actions  

shit

thome might be done before 600

He should be suspended. That is a flat-out, absolute disgrace to the umpiring profession, what this guy has been doing. West doesn’t care. -Hawk

Because he’s a f—-ing a—hole, that’s what he is. - Ozzie

by blackoutsox on Jun 7, 2010 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

We didn't have room on our roster

for that kind of production. I’d hate to see him in our lineup while stealing at-bats from Omar, Kotsay and Nix.

by Off the bus running on Jun 7, 2010 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hahaha, rec'd,

Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jun 8, 2010 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

didnt PF end McGuires career when he was past his prime

and look at what it did to Q

He should be suspended. That is a flat-out, absolute disgrace to the umpiring profession, what this guy has been doing. West doesn’t care. -Hawk

Because he’s a f—-ing a—hole, that’s what he is. - Ozzie

by blackoutsox on Jun 7, 2010 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

okay.

what does all that have to do with thome? he seems to be able to play frequently and play quite well.

by larry on Jun 7, 2010 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

i've got the charts to show he's cooked

This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jun 8, 2010 3:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Family member died. Bereavement.

If it’s a plague it’s a trend.

when i was in 9th grade i was the only one in my entire boys choir to understood my teacher
by BoeJouma on May 11, 2010 5:46 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 7, 2010 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

ugod

not to be a nagging prick, but could you dot something about the trade(s) youve been offered? a denial or acceptance would be appreciated!

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jun 7, 2010 4:59 PM CDT reply actions  

nag and ye shall receive

"A brief but trenchant analysis of Scott Podsednik

He’s dogshit."
by NYRoyal on Jan 8, 2010 8:56 AM PST

by U-God on Jun 7, 2010 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

any way i can get either one of those guys?

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jun 7, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

prolly no

"A brief but trenchant analysis of Scott Podsednik

He’s dogshit."
by NYRoyal on Jan 8, 2010 8:56 AM PST

by U-God on Jun 7, 2010 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

hunter/holliday + pelfry?

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jun 7, 2010 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

no

"A brief but trenchant analysis of Scott Podsednik

He’s dogshit."
by NYRoyal on Jan 8, 2010 8:56 AM PST

by U-God on Jun 7, 2010 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

lee and holliday for braun.

then ill leave you alone hahaha

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jun 7, 2010 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe

"A brief but trenchant analysis of Scott Podsednik

He’s dogshit."
by NYRoyal on Jan 8, 2010 8:56 AM PST

by U-God on Jun 7, 2010 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

shot you 2 different offers

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jun 7, 2010 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your trade offers are horseshit.

Quit whining. Your offers suck.

when i was in 9th grade i was the only one in my entire boys choir to understood my teacher
by BoeJouma on May 11, 2010 5:46 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 7, 2010 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

fack

It's called Sex Panther by Odeon. It's illegal in nine countries... Yep, it's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by ElDiablo on Jun 7, 2010 7:09 PM CDT reply actions  

how bad are we going to fumble this...

It's called Sex Panther by Odeon. It's illegal in nine countries... Yep, it's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by ElDiablo on Jun 7, 2010 7:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Fuck, larry, we were "open for business" last year.

Let’s gut this team now and finally. Not like the federal defecit/mortgage mess. Clean break is good. Take the medicine all at once.

when i was in 9th grade i was the only one in my entire boys choir to understood my teacher
by BoeJouma on May 11, 2010 5:46 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 7, 2010 7:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Bacon sez hai

He should be suspended. That is a flat-out, absolute disgrace to the umpiring profession, what this guy has been doing. West doesn’t care. -Hawk

Because he’s a f—-ing a—hole, that’s what he is. - Ozzie

by blackoutsox on Jun 7, 2010 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

No.

Becks/Che/Floyd/Sergio are keepers. And I keep AJ just because.

when i was in 9th grade i was the only one in my entire boys choir to understood my teacher
by BoeJouma on May 11, 2010 5:46 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 7, 2010 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

NO...if cleveland's AAA club can beat the snot out of the sox...we need to try the same thing with a $2 payroll

gut the team, maybe we will be able to beat baltimore a couple times in august

Mark Teahen peed in my canteen.

by SavePeavytill2010 on Jun 7, 2010 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

for helping get rid of swisher and his bobblehead doll from the clubhouse, konerko and aj better invoke their fucking rights

This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jun 8, 2010 3:28 AM CDT reply actions  

we're not

going anywhere. someone will take AJ and with our record so bad we should just bring up Flowers and let him play. And here’s to hoping someone- please someone help us out- takes on Peavy’s contract. We also need to fire Ozzie and Ken Williams and just start over

by Blazer Fan From Ohio on Jun 8, 2010 11:32 AM CDT reply actions  

Do you care to google some of the comments on this board about Rios at the end of last year?

Folks need to take a chill pill on Peavy….

"Anywhere white people are poor, I'm afraid to go" Lawrence Holmes 670 the Score

by Tdogg on Jun 8, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you.

Seriously. He’s not, and should not be, going anywhere.

"I just want people to remember there's a guy in between these things."

by Teahenny Penny on Jun 8, 2010 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Trades

I would love as a die-hard fan to say there’s time left to catch up but there really isn’t. It would be nice to see guys like AJ, Paulie and Buehrle get a shot at the World Series or to at least go deep in the playoffs. It was a classy move by the organization last year to trade Thome somewhere he could help someone win, let’s see if they do that this year.

by walterfan34 on Jun 8, 2010 5:03 PM CDT reply actions  

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