The Fat Lady Refuses to Sing on the South Side (A June Review)
Maybe I should just take a poll for themes of reviews. With my love of movies I spent a fair amount of time trying to craft an interesting opening to describe the June revival/turnaround. Some of my failures:
Trading Places. The Story of a wily street con team (the White Sox) who find themselves trading places with the snobby minor league investors (the Twins) on the whim of callous saberheads. ("Uh genius they are still in 3rd") Trash Can.
Return of the Living Dead. After being exposed (yet again- hey it is a sequel) to the toxic fumes of actually having to watch a pitcher bat (double switch my ass-it sucks) the recently deceased White Sox arise from the dead and go on a murderous rampage devouring the brains of fans, sportswriters and whiny AL Central teams harping on schedule inequity. Hmmm.... Potential. Aww too gruesome. Trash can.
Old School. Several Palehose are disenchanted with life and try to recapture the glory of the 2005 World Series season. They streak. "Honey we're streaking!". They have old men perform above expectations for excellence, while one of them dies (Andrew Jones). "You're my boy Blue!" Naw that's a stretch. Though I must admit I've had a few earmuff moments for my kids while watching the early season. Trashed.
Bad News Bears. Cast of misfits pull it together after losing to go on a glorious run in baseball. Hmmm. Well 2 big problems. 1st Ozzie is not a down on his luck manager (hey he tweets) and 2nd "They didn't win any DAMN thing." They lost the most important one. Triple trashed.
Too hard. Besides baseball doesn't have any creativity. I honestly can't think of a sport that use more cliches. It's full of potential interviews like THIS.
So I'll just go back to the oldest of them and most tried and true.
It's not over til the FAT LADY SINGS.
June pretty much started with the worst possible outcome. The Sox came into the month down 8.5 games and with talk that the underachieving team had better things around on its home stand, the pressure was on. It was time for them to step up right? Wrong. Just like much of the season, they stumbled the 1st week going 2-4, pretty much losing every important momentum swinging game. It took a late inning rally to salvage a game from the juggernaut Cleveland Indians and after receiving a rare unexpected solid start by Floyd against the Tigers the game was promptly blown by the invincible Matt Thornton for a 7-2 lost.
"Game over man." Needless to say my own personal frustration had reached a tipping point. The team was performing horribly. Everything that could go wrong, did. Kenny hated Ozzie. Ozzie hated Kenny. The press speculated on management power plays and mlb trade rumors became a daily visiting spot as opponent's buzzards (oops I meant scouts) began to prepare for the upcoming fire sale by the Sox brass. I did what any great American does when times are hard.
I went on strike.
That's right no tv, no radio. A couple profanity laced tirades that would make Carlos Zambrano proud. Call out a teammate? Hell let's call out the WHOLE ORGANIZATION.
Lost in translation was that Floyd's stuff did actually look good that evening. Yes it was a loss, but maybe his start was an omen. I suppose there were other ones. Cheat would go into a drug induced trance a couple days later and be out of commission (always a good sign). Larry declared them officially dead in the Minor Leagues and Baseball Prospectus gave them a 3% chance for a miracle. The Sox had the division right where they wanted them.
Okay maybe it was upcoming games against the Cubs, Pirates and Nationals but that's not the point. That's not romantic enough and doesn't fit the story. I'd pointed to this part of the schedule as the White Sox Custard's Last Stand. Now or never. The Sox immediately won the next 2 vs Detroit. Sox 2, Boycott 0.
Next up the Cubbies, and after taking the first 2 the stage was set for a Sunday night national matchup. At stake was a season high White Sox winning streak of 4. Floyd pitched excellent again. He even had no hitter through the first 7 innings. The only problem was somebody forgot to inform the offense. Instead of watching, they were supposed to swing the bat themselves. Unbelievably, at the exact same time Ted Lilly from the crosstown rivals was also throwing up blanks. Floyd would go on to lose the no hitter and the game 1-0 as the offense flubbed in its last at bat. Streak over. Oh well nice while it lasted. "I'm not fooled," I thought. No sir, not sucking this kid back in. Yes I know the Pirates and Nationals are next but those are all "road" games. Hell they can barely win at home.
The Sox would go on to sweep the Pirates, the Nationals and finally the hot Atlanta Braves before finally falling to the Cubs in the crosstown finale. When it was all finished they had won 11 straight, 15 out 17 and cut a division lead from 9.5 to 1.5. Talk about turnaround. Sox 15, Boycott 2. You do the math. What strike?
RS 335
RA 341
40-37
2009 (40-38 349 RS/349 RA)
Some had made mention of this but this is about the same time the team made a run last year. Eerie how similar huh? Will they learn from the past mistakes and actually improve the offense this year? Sox Machine looks at it. JJ from Examiner looks at it. And now Colin just did it as the focus turns to Adam Dunn. As always I leave that for greater men then I. This is all about what happened this fine June. Even if they did end with some losses to the Royals. Yes those Royals.
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Offensive
.250/322/.402 wOBA .320 (10th in AL)
.270/.335/.415 wOBA .329 (7th in AL)
Overall improvement in every catergory but let's not kid ourselves. If anything, 7th in wOBA for June shows okay they performed like an "average" offense but even that's a little dishonest. Konerko and Quentin (with a little AJ sprinkled in, Phil Rogers) basically carried the O. I have now come to the realization at the NBA free agent deadline that Greg Walker is never going anywhere.
DH Hydra total line number .224/.297/.380 - Would it surprise you to learn that 4 AL team's DH numbers are worse? It doesn't surprise me that we don't care. Isolated moments of actual production have occurred, but as has been pointed out this remains a serious off-season, in-season and future mistake. Fix it already.
1B- Konerko .295/.387/.570 When is the last time you heard Kenwo complain about Konerko? Kong has been fantastic with the bat. Unfortunately he still has Morneau, Cabrera and Youk to contend with for AL honors. Who cares. Keep it up and he had the very looking cool 1.000 OPS for June.
2B- Beckham .209/.275/.285 Ugh. Beckham followed up 0 xbh hits in May with 2 walks in June. That's exactly 50% more than AJ (who never saw a pitch he didn't like) and Gavin Floyd (yeah that one). Showed a little life the last week. Can it be? Ozzie doesn't want him to go down. Maybe Beck will make it a moot point. The Sox can really use him.
SS- Alexei .264/.297/.392 This time of year has been a little hotter for Alexei in the past. Average continues to rise but I'd like to see a bit more power.
3B- Omar .254/.311/.336 What the hell are you laughing for? Believe it or not he's been mildly productive (this is the White Sox offense after all). Pressed into action after the Teahen injury seems the latest recipient of said pixie dust. Sad but we would kill for .700 ops monthly from the old man.
LF- Pierre .249/.317/.279 Ugh part 2. Yes he is stealing at a decent clip but do we really have to watch him bat 1st? Truth be told he did get on back at a .342 clip last month. Wow. Sound the alarms.
CF- Hail Rios. .307/.363/.522 Welcome back. Jim warned of an off month at some point but that would be terribly disappointing and lead to the team going in the wrong direction.
RF- Q! .229/.330/.454 Last month I asked Q a personal question. No, I could care less what he does in the bedroom. Most fans just wanted the real Slim Quentin to stand up. He exploded the last 2 weeks with a 1.213 OPS. We all love Q and don't demand that kind of production just somewhere in between recent and the crappy weeks.
C- AJ .248/.287/.363 Has actually settled into his normal numbers monthly. OPS was .812 in June he just really sucked in April.
DH/1B- Kotsay ..220/.319/.378 I still believe Kotsay takes WAY too much abuse but at this point it's more what he represents and he obviously should NOT be a full time DH or regular player.
Bench
Jones- .199/.312/.435 Okee doke. I have heard of what goes up most come down but this is ridiculous. .371 OPS in June. .371!!
Nix- Gone and Dayan (incomplete)
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Pitching
4.26 ERA (8th in AL), 3.83 FIP (1st), 4.10 xFIP (1st)
k/9 7.47 (2nd)
bb/9 3.12 (improve to 4th)
hr/9 0.85 (improved to tied for 3rd)
3.68 ERA (1st), 3.40 FIP (1st), 3.94 xFIP (1st)
Well staff, you dug the team into this hole so its only fitting that you dig it out. And dig it out they did. During the streak they allowed 25 runs in 11 games. Insane. The opposing OPS for batters against the starters after June 9th was .608. Against the relievers it was .675. They basically faced Juan Pierre for the whole rest of the month. Sorry Juan. Walks down. Ks up. Simple formula. They will be tested with Texas bats upcoming.
Starting Staff
ERA FIP K/9 BB/9
Danks 3.62 3.58 6.96 3.06
Floyd 4.66 3.41 7.63 2.79
Buehrle 4.58 4.01 4.58 2.43
Garcia 4.66 4.69 5.40 2.65
Peavy 4.70 4.10 7.78 2.65
Danks- Solid month for Danks. Better than May, worse than April. Ks are still down a little. He seems to be treading water after the quick start.
Floyd- My preseason pick for best starter really stepped up this month. Everyone knew his numbers would come down (his FIP has been solid all year), but no one thought it would be that quickly. What makes this man tick and can we start it with him sooner? Unfortunately, like Danks he simply doesn't know how to win. 6 starts in June with a 2.58 ERA. 1 win. Go figure.
Buehrle- Surprising and much like this season Mark's overall monthly ERA 4.96 was higher than his monthly FIP 3.40. The margin hasn't been that large but Mark has had a bit of bad luck this year. The most encouraging stat for Mark in June was 6.5 ks per 9 he posted. If he keeps that up that he'll be just fine.
Garcia- Sweaty Freddie was 4-0 in June and just keeps getting it done. He walked less than 1.5 batters per 9 in June. Can you say crafty veteran?
Peavy- What arm troubles? In the latest example of SSS, Peavy showed why he's put up some pretty glossy numbers in the past. Scoreless streak ended on a Butler homer in the first last night but Peavy's been excellent lately. He mistimed his rant by a couple weeks. Otherwise he would be considered the grindy God right now.
No starter allowed more than 1 hr per 9 in June. I pointed out in a previous thread the starting staff was on pace for just short of 19 WAR for the season. That would go a long way in them staying around for the summer.
The Big Three
ERA FIP K/9 BB/9 LOB%
Jenks 4.06 2.86 10.86 3.72 72.1%
Thornton 3.03 1.88 12.40 3.03 71.4%
Putz 1.86 2.21 10.55 1.55 84.2%
Jenks- It was just yesterday that Jenks told us to chill out. He put up a 0.75 ERA in June. I honestly can't even remember the last time I was mad him. I don't say it often honey but Jenks thanks for being a good reliever through the years.
Thornton- June was a hiccup primarily because of walks, over 5 per 9. Slump likely cost him an outside chance at all star game.
Putz- Did anybody think to try one of those sneaky team options on his 1 year deal? Damn. Putz is making himself a lot of future money this year. He'll be some team's closer next season. 0 earned runs in June.
The Rest
Santos- ERA 2.22/FIP 2.64 (over 7 in June)
Pena- ERA 5.06/FIP 4.85
Linebrink- ERA 5.25/FIP 5.30
Williams- Anybody who's bb ratio is 7.5 per 9 innings should not have a job. He now doesn't.
With the streak Larry highlighted how Ozzie had more or less began to slot the bullpen in its roles. My Big Five has gone down to the Big Four and now to the Big Three. Linebrink never really had any business being up there (except money), Santos has had a natural regression and just doesn't get enough work with the emergence of the starting staff. Pena is the definition of a middle reliever and Randy Williams finally got his walking papers. The back of the bullpen really isn't all that great but it doesn't matter, nobody's is. Work has been limited for this bunch. On the other hand, their top 3 is probably collectively the best in baseball. Consider this, White Sox relievers avg 9.67 k/s per 9. That's 1.75 more than the next closet team in the AL. Wow. That point can not be overstated and I was shocked it was such a difference. What do you really want from a reliever who enters the game in a critical situation? A freaking K that's what.
Somewhere a few MLB teams weep for the loss of Sox pitching personnel on the trade market.
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Defense
All these numbers are subject to classic SSS and wild swings blah blah blah....
Defensive Efficiency is now .683 (11th in the AL). Again you can't tell anything from UZR for a predictive nature but there is value in knowing the results.
Team UZR is -9.6 (9th)
Team UZR/150 -3.4 (4th)
The White Sox defense has actually been very good lately. Quentin is still a defensive black hole but Pierre (besides the arm), Alexei and Rios are all rangy fielders. Vizquel has helped at 3b, though not to the extent that we "feel" like replacing Teahen does and Beckham's been solid in the field minus some pop fly adventures. Jones, Kotsay and now Killibridge provide solid defensive fill-ins if needed. Konerko's range has regressed to normal from last year but he continues to make smart decisions on balls hit to him on double plays and bunts. The pitching strand rates have improved and while the difference between ERA and FIP is still the largest in the AL the gap has closed. The pitchers notice it, trust me.
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Team Base Running
Per BP the team’s Equivalent Base Running Runs (EqBrr)
The White Sox rank 23rd in baseball with a total score of -5.9
Pierre has the best score (1.9) followed by Quentin (.8). The genius AJ remains last (-2.4), sorry Hawk.
72 stolen bases out of 109 attempts for a 66 % conversion rate.
Of the -5.9 team score -4 of it is the stolen base component. There is no doubt the overall team speed is better than past years but as we feared the stolen base has become a negative. There are only so many legitimate hitters on this team any and they cannot afford to give away outs. Slow down Ozzie. In June they were 20 out 34. That's ridiculous. Also puzzling is the negative hit advancement score. I thought that was the whole point of no Thome? The real fear is that after crushing the National League the Sox "forget" they play in the AL and don't adjust their style. Kotsay is not fast. It doesn't matter what angle he takes rounding the bag.
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At the end of last month I asked if this team was worth saving and if we were wasting our time waiting for them to rise from the dead. What a difference a month makes. Who am I kidding, what a difference two weeks can make. Will the Sox reach .500 - check. Will the team close within 3 games - check. Will they win...only time will tell. The top 3 Central teams play each other plenty of times so they will probably decide their own fate. First things first. They need to get through this Texas/LA stretch. Fix the team Kenny. This story wants a happy ending...
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Nice review, Tdogg.
Regarding Jenks, it’s definitely good to see his flashes of dominance. He’s still making it interesting sometimes, but I don’t feel that sense of dread when I hear P.O.D. playing anymore. Whatever he changed, it worked, and it’s nice to have a spittle-free television screen after the 8th inning again.
"I'm tired, I've got a headache, my bullpen blew it." -South Side Expat
72 SB out of 36 attempts?
WTF math is that?
Great job otherwise. Very comprehensive. Always a good read, Tdogg. And it’s good to see you call a Jones a Jones.
You got to gird your loins. Life continues. There are good days. There are bad days, but you keep hustling to survive. - Chet Lemon
now ill read it
Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok
best write up yet, thanks tdogg!
Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok
took you 20 minutes?
I skimmed over it, and saw that the few paragraphs I expected were instead a few chapters of a stephen king novel, so I decided to wait until breakfast tomorrow morning and read it then. No offense Tdogg, I’m sure it’s gold.
"...It was then I noticed the burning bus full of nuns, blind people, and small children falling over the precipice into the shark and barracuda infested water below" - U-God
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 1, 2010 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions
read every word, and had a pb&j while doing it.
Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok
who Kenny should get?
what market buy would be the best for the team right now? Dunn? Dejesus? and what guys in the minors would we have to give up, because the prospects aren’t very deep.
by Frank-the tank-Thomas on Jul 1, 2010 11:18 PM CDT reply actions
I appreciate the reference....
and if Konerko always played like this i wouldn’t have to complain about him. Too bad he isn’t in a contract year every year.
Kenwo4life=ratings
which by the way... is nice to see
a player actually playing good in a contract year…. unlike my boy Dye who fucking sucked ass every time his contract came up….. Kind of like AJ this year.
Kenwo4life=ratings
It's funny you should say that because the research has
shown there is no correlation between contract year and performance… I know the media likes to harp on it but players are just as likely (as we saw first hand) to have a crappy year.
"Officially off strike...."
Twinkies lost
We picked up half game.
Nice run down. I think we’re close if we can continue to keep the starters in there through the seventh and pick it up offensively with some timely hitting. What happens when Teahen returns? Lillibridge or Viciedo returns to the minors? Santos has sure been a nice surprise.
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
Hey Tdogg!
“Sorry, we’re goin’… We’re Going streaking up through the quad and into the gymnasium! Come on everybody, come on! Tdogg, Tdogg-a-logg! No, it’s cool, it’s cool, I’m cool. Bring… Bring your shark hat. Let’s go, come on everybody we’re goin’.”
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Jul 2, 2010 12:45 AM CDT reply actions
here is a tad bit of a complaint i have.....
and i am sure it has been brought up and if it hasn’t shame on you guys…….
but why in the hell did they bring up dayan if they aren’t going to get him regular at bats? put him at DH already. Instead of giving Kotsay 20 ABs a week give them to dayan. Let Kotsay DH when the tank goes down to 3rd once a week to give vizquel a breather. By the way…. from what i have seen with the eye test – dayan isn’t a horrid 3rd baseman like reports have indicated.
Kenwo4life=ratings
yeah i bet his range does probably suck
but he looks like he knows what he’s doing. betemit was obviously worse, for instance. it would be really nice if he could actually play third base for his prime. would really add to his upside.
and i think everyone agrees with the playing time issue. the offense is way too crappy to pretend you can’t find time for the kid.
Fireworks: Bang?
With all due respect
it’s all about respect. You gotta respect the game, and the umps have to respect the managers, and the manager has to respect the players, and the the players have to respect the managers. And you definitely have to respect the veterans. Like Thome – we couldn’t have him on the team because you know we couldn’t get him into enough games and you know that would be disrespecting him. What it boils down to after all, it’s all about respect. Respekt

"But this streak goes to eleven"
Respek-tuh
"...It was then I noticed the burning bus full of nuns, blind people, and small children falling over the precipice into the shark and barracuda infested water below" - U-God
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 2, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't remember if Becks was thrown to the wolves
immediately when he was brought up. He arguably was better prepped than DV. I do recall that some on this site said Dayan was not ready to be promoted. Take it easy on the kid. Big adjustment.
You got to gird your loins. Life continues. There are good days. There are bad days, but you keep hustling to survive. - Chet Lemon
by winningugly on Jul 2, 2010 6:50 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
so the best way to make the big adjustment is to sit and watch baseball games?
it’s not like he’d be taking at bats away from ruth and gehrig.
Yeah, that's part of it.
He has Chen his countryman, to help with the culture. He has Vizquel to help with the position. He’s 21 and is not a star. And Ozzie doesn’t ever rush rookies. Let him acclimate before his confidence is crushed. He’s moving along just fine. Slow the fuck down.
You got to gird your loins. Life continues. There are good days. There are bad days, but you keep hustling to survive. - Chet Lemon
by winningugly on Jul 2, 2010 7:53 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
*Che*, sorry.
You got to gird your loins. Life continues. There are good days. There are bad days, but you keep hustling to survive. - Chet Lemon
by winningugly on Jul 2, 2010 8:09 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Made me think of Caddyshack
“and this here is my friend Wang….”
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
by rhythm on Jul 3, 2010 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Normally I'd be opposed to this
but I think you right and it might actually work. Of course on the other side I don’t think you lose anything by actually giving him more of a chance. The White Sox have some important decisions to make and rather soon.
"Officially off strike...."
that's fairly reasonable sounding
which just makes me suspicious more than anything
Fireworks: Bang?
i see him as nix with a sandwich and cigar, so i haven't been too worried.
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
Nix is a turd blossom.
Dayan is a kid who has some potential. I’m not suggesting he be babied, but no need to rush. We have bigger problems that he probably won’t solve yet.
You got to gird your loins. Life continues. There are good days. There are bad days, but you keep hustling to survive. - Chet Lemon
by winningugly on Jul 2, 2010 9:52 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
i meant more in terms of how often we'd see him / roster spot.
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Jul 2, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Turd blossom is a compliment!
I think.
ITHOUGHTGAZELLEWASGOOD -Trooper
by homesickalien on Jul 2, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
as i will never understand the nix love
Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok
Well, he was a bad ballplayer
Unless you’re talking about needing actual expectations to trigger contempt.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
Yes, he was, for us.
And the Nix props just got under my skin. Because he had some pop he was practically lionized when in reality he was as bad as Jerry Owens.
You got to gird your loins. Life continues. There are good days. There are bad days, but you keep hustling to survive. - Chet Lemon
LOL!!!!
Thanks for the reminder. I had totally blocked it from my recollection.
Your name again…?
You got to gird your loins. Life continues. There are good days. There are bad days, but you keep hustling to survive. - Chet Lemon
George Papadopoulos
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Jul 2, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
he made some errors and didn't hit for a high average
so he didn’t get any fan love. but he was certainly decent and not bad in the same way jerry owens is bad. bad insofar as he’s not average, but that’s a high standard. there’s plenty of use for a guy who can play good defense and hit with some pop.
Fireworks: Bang?
Yeah -- "as bad as Jerry Owens" is gross overstatement. Nix was a perfectly acceptable bench player.
Mark Kotsay — now there’s an awful baseball player. He’s got a chance to reach -1 WAR in a Chicago uniform. Go for the gold, Mark!
Nix was Kotsay bad this year
I know he was short on reps, he made a number of baffling errors during his time here, and considering his glove was supposed to be his best tool, I can understand why people didn’t like him.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
except range matters way more than errors
and c’mon. 77 PAs. >10% walk rate. from a guy making zip.
Fireworks: Bang?
A Nix apologist? I thought I was the only one.
I think with more PAs he could have flashed a lot more power. Not a ton, but enough to make him a solid pinch-hitter/twice a week 3rd baseman.
"I'm tired, I've got a headache, my bullpen blew it." -South Side Expat
Range doesn't matter more than errors to general sentiment
Otherwise Royce Clayton would have never existed
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
i did already say that.
but i would hope SSS would be able to be a little more process-oriented.
Fireworks: Bang?
is that what old guys call rubbing one out?
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Jul 3, 2010 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Or hitting the wife in the face.
"Strangely, Christ is a closeted homosexual…" - winningugly
by RWShow on Jul 3, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
If this line of commentary is wrong, I don't want to be right.
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
but we need kotsays coveted left handed bat
who else will hit .235 against right handers in the dh spot?
Staying Out of White Sox Business
I found no surprise in the correlation between our pitchers batting and our offense improving.
Because our offense was that depressing before hand.
"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT
by Black Sox Baseball on Jul 2, 2010 1:33 AM CDT reply actions
Wow....a little surprised that Byrnes got canned in AZ too.
those fawkers better not circle around Hahn.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
I know its small but was anyone else surprised
the Sox bullpen put up that many more k’s per 9 than the rest of the AL?
"Officially off strike...."
yeah totally
my dad was trying to tell me the tigers had the best pen in the ALC (this was pre-Zumaygodhisarmfelloff). i done told him what’s what. 4 guys who can break 95 and don’t mind throwing good strikes are pretty much as good as it gets.
have you seen the pitch values on fangraphs? over the last three seasons the only reliever with a better fastball run value than Matt Thornton is Papelbon.
Fireworks: Bang?
not unlike a teenager who reflexively disagrees with everything his parent says to him,
your father is simply reacting – likely unconsciously – to the fact that you still cannot graduate from college, not to mention his overall disappointment with the “son” he raised. i hope you two patch things up soon.
he takes solace in the fact that i
don’t melt when water contacts my skin.
Fireworks: Bang?
by colintj on Jul 2, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
This comment is underrated.
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
No you don't.
ITHOUGHTGAZELLEWASGOOD -Trooper
by homesickalien on Jul 2, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I love this so much.
You got to gird your loins. Life continues. There are good days. There are bad days, but you keep hustling to survive. - Chet Lemon
Pitcher Abuse Points- Ozzie and Don Copper
As we enter the All star break I thought it would be interesting to view BP’s Pitcher Abuse Points leaderboard, which measures punishment a starter takes and STRESS (PAP/innings pitched). The Sox most valuable asset is obviously the starting staff and we have spoken glowingly on Ozzie’s ability to handle it in the past and its workload.
The White Sox are one of the few teams that have had 5 starters pitch at least 80 innings this season. They are on pace for 1,000+ innings. How have the Sox done in protecting that investment? The List.
A few things stood out.
1- A White Sox starter doesnt make the Stress list until 38th Danks. Of the teams with the full innings eating staffs, that is the latest entry. His Stress score is 10. Compare that with a pitcher like Verlander whose score is 39 or Dempster 37. Now some of your best pitchers are horses and can take that but that doesn’t erase the punishment.
2- No Sox starter has a Cat_4 start (122-132 pitches) and certainly not a Cat_5 (above 133).
3- Stress scores for the remaining staff
Peavy – 8
Floyd – 4
Buerhle – 4
Garcia – 0
"Officially off strike...."
Not sure who really runs it, Ozzie or Coop
But once again, there’s no doubt if I was an injury prone player, this is the place I’d go. Whatever it is about the Sox, they keep their guys healthy.
Be it those extra days off after they say they are ready that Ozzie requires or not overusing his pitchers, he (or someone that works for him, obviously I don’t know the dynamics there) really takes care of his players.
We’re like the Phoenix Suns of baseball.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 2, 2010 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
The Suns are too offense oriented. Not grindy enough ;)
"...It was then I noticed the burning bus full of nuns, blind people, and small children falling over the precipice into the shark and barracuda infested water below" - U-God
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 2, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nicely done, Tdogg.
It would be nice if they could add that elusive extra bat…I love Vizquel’s attitude and I can tolerate a smidge of Kotsay now and then, but for the long haul, it just ain’t gonna cut it.
Just win series against the teams you’re suppose to beat and split with the big dogs, and all will be OK come September.
"Unemployment benefits are creating jobs faster than practically any other program...It injects demand into the economy... It creates jobs faster than almost any other initiative you can name."
- House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (7/1/10) – God help us.
i can smell the fat lady
but i def have not seen her yet.
please white sox please,im begging you,enough with the bs,take this division of kings
Czheck Productions
My Instrumentals
Lebrons waiting to see where Adam Morrison goes first before he signs
is this the gamethread?
Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok
Is this THE gamethread?
"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT
by Black Sox Baseball on Jul 2, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
man, this place blows today.
where the shit is everyone?
Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok
Off work, I did survive the taste though.
4 day weekends, I’m sure I’m not the only one.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 2, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Iowa.
You got to gird your loins. Life continues. There are good days. There are bad days, but you keep hustling to survive. - Chet Lemon
by winningugly on Jul 2, 2010 12:49 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Tdoggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg
I like this monthly review very much!
Also thanx for the BP Pitcher Abuse Points link. Kenwo is tellin us so with Garcia
Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 2, 2010 12:19 PM CDT reply actions
Did someone say Return of the Living Dead?

From my FanShots posting – How I Feel
White Sox fan since the mid 70's.
by verchad on Jul 2, 2010 12:24 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
That's kind of creepy
"...It was then I noticed the burning bus full of nuns, blind people, and small children falling over the precipice into the shark and barracuda infested water below" - U-God
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 2, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
When they win the division, your series is gonna make a hellava .gif
"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat
by South Side Expat on Jul 3, 2010 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions
D-Backs name Kirk Gibson manager.
I will be watching this team. I adore Kirk Gibson. That WS dinger is in my top 5 baseball moments of all time. FDE and his backup slider.
You got to gird your loins. Life continues. There are good days. There are bad days, but you keep hustling to survive. - Chet Lemon
by winningugly on Jul 2, 2010 12:28 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
The D-Backs are dunces.
Chicago White Sox Examiner — IT'S A JEEP THING YOU WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND
by UribeAuction on Jul 2, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Explain.
You don’t like Kendrick? Or you liked J. Byrnes?
You got to gird your loins. Life continues. There are good days. There are bad days, but you keep hustling to survive. - Chet Lemon
by winningugly on Jul 2, 2010 12:48 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Passan swayed me.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-dbacks070110
Chicago White Sox Examiner — IT'S A JEEP THING YOU WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND
hes just the interim mananger iirc
Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok
interim, but rest of season
Honestly, I didn’t even realize that Gibson was managing in any facet
"...It was then I noticed the burning bus full of nuns, blind people, and small children falling over the precipice into the shark and barracuda infested water below" - U-God
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 2, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
welcome to the now!\
Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok
You're going to watch them because they have a new manager?
“Look at the way Gibson picks his nose. What a pro.”
by CWSKeith on Jul 2, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I forget, a manager can't affect his team.
Sorry. I stand corrected. Fuckstick.
LIKE HELL!
You got to gird your loins. Life continues. There are good days. There are bad days, but you keep hustling to survive. - Chet Lemon
"Look at the way Gibson picks his nose. What a pro."
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
You bet your fucking ass that’s rec’d.
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
Who's DE?
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
Dennis Eckersley.
GOD!
You got to gird your loins. Life continues. There are good days. There are bad days, but you keep hustling to survive. - Chet Lemon
I liked this story very much.
I especially liked the part where that one team won like a whole bunch of games in a row.
Please write another story like that next month too.
by The Actual El Guapo on Jul 2, 2010 1:13 PM CDT reply actions
Well, 15 games with OAK, KC and SEA says there's a good chance.
Nevermind TX, MN and LA of course.
"Unemployment benefits are creating jobs faster than practically any other program...It injects demand into the economy... It creates jobs faster than almost any other initiative you can name."
- House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (7/1/10) – God help us.
Good, because somehow I see
a bedshitting against OAK, KC and (despite the early season sweep) SEA.
We seem to come to play against the better teams (and against the NL).
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.
by NorthSidePaulie on Jul 2, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
i saw you getting off the train wednesday night.
i said to larry’s mom, “i know that guy.” she responded, “that’s a queer looking fellow.” i said, “pretty sure he has a wife and kids.” she replied, “i was talking about the person he was with. the guy you know just looks like a jew lawyer.”
Only because the White Sox need her.
ITHOUGHTGAZELLEWASGOOD -Trooper
by homesickalien on Jul 2, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, Ricky Martin was married too.
Wait … I think I did this wrong. Delete delete del
by The Actual El Guapo on Jul 2, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I like your Mom.
Honest.
You got to gird your loins. Life continues. There are good days. There are bad days, but you keep hustling to survive. - Chet Lemon
heres to Freddy beating these jagoffs.... which may indeed be a tall order.
but i think he’s got a much better shot at doing so than the 2 lefties to follow him. this is the first series in a while where i am just hoping we win 1 game. Texas pounds us in texas when they blow…. i can only imagine what is going to happen now that they are good.
Kenwo4life=ratings
i hope you are right... most of you all were panicking when we had to face the braves.
i predicted the sweep of them jagoffs.
Kenwo4life=ratings
predicted, or said it with barely any hope?
Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok
its under ugod's
braves preview…. i called him a pussy for saying we would win 1-2 and that we are going to sweep the cocksuckers….. i guess i am being a pussy today.
Kenwo4life=ratings
hey man its the summer time... i've got booze to drink and broads to bang.
but now that my computer is fixed i’ll be here full time. lol
Kenwo4life=ratings
Rec'd.
I did a speech on it about 18 years ago – except “broads” was “babes”. I won.
You got to gird your loins. Life continues. There are good days. There are bad days, but you keep hustling to survive. - Chet Lemon
And how did the college grads like your commencement speech?
"...It was then I noticed the burning bus full of nuns, blind people, and small children falling over the precipice into the shark and barracuda infested water below" - U-God
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 2, 2010 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Is the Arlington infield still hard as a rock?
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.
by NorthSidePaulie on Jul 2, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
i would imagine so
Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok
At least our infield defense is "better"
Particularly with Vizquel subbing for Teabag…
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.
by NorthSidePaulie on Jul 2, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Great work, Tdogg, very thorough and informative. Thanks for the blood, sweat and tears you put into this. Now GTFOTS please.
ITHOUGHTGAZELLEWASGOOD -Trooper
I have the urge to do something vile to mark kotsay
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
i feel like fucking his wife! thatll show him!
Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok
Find her in the attic? I don't get it.
"Unemployment benefits are creating jobs faster than practically any other program...It injects demand into the economy... It creates jobs faster than almost any other initiative you can name."
- House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (7/1/10) – God help us.
Yeah, this doesn't sound creepy.
"...It was then I noticed the burning bus full of nuns, blind people, and small children falling over the precipice into the shark and barracuda infested water below" - U-God
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 2, 2010 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
oooh, so close. The correct response was "what's an attic?"
ITHOUGHTGAZELLEWASGOOD -Trooper
by homesickalien on Jul 2, 2010 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Whatever you do...do it to Linebrink as well.
"Unemployment benefits are creating jobs faster than practically any other program...It injects demand into the economy... It creates jobs faster than almost any other initiative you can name."
- House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (7/1/10) – God help us.
i would just shave his gray face.
then give him a literal shitty beard.
Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok
Oh, the old Dirty Sanchez trick?
"Unemployment benefits are creating jobs faster than practically any other program...It injects demand into the economy... It creates jobs faster than almost any other initiative you can name."
- House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (7/1/10) – God help us.
no i said beard. not a mustache.
full on grizzly adamsesque shit-beard
Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok
dwise bases clearing triple in the bronx just now
Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok
I noticed Bourgeois is playing for the Astros.
It’s reunion week.
You got to gird your loins. Life continues. There are good days. There are bad days, but you keep hustling to survive. - Chet Lemon
Nice post Tdogg
“Also puzzling is the negative hit advancement score. I thought that was the whole point of no Thome?”
Excellent insight. Kotsay IS slow.
Another good insight: we’re giving away too many outs for this weakish offense by attempting so many steals.
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.
just think of how many DPs we havent grounded in to though
because of the caught stealing!
Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok
BaB is just too much fun right now
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
so is this one of those interweb "threads" where one is able to discuss based ball games happening live?
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
oh how we long for 05 again
Frank Deford says it best:
Most everybody is familiar with the famous phrase from the Bible, Book of Ecclesiaticus: `Let us now praise famous men.’ It’s later on in that chapter that we get to the part less well known: `But of others, there is no memory. They have perished as though they had never existed. They have become as though they have never been born.’ Surely you recognize now we are talking about the Chicago White Sox.
Other losing teams, notably their uptown brethren, the sainted Cubbies, are beloved for their failure. The ChiSox, who have not won a World Series since 1917, losing two in that long interval—one haplessly, one on purpose—are at best damned with faint praise. Their most famous ancient champions were dismissed as the Hitless Wonders. Their best team of recent vintage, the ‘83 divisional champions, had as their lovely battle cry, `Winning ugly.’ Well, that’s uplifting. And, of course, the sad Sox are responsible for the gloomiest, most depressing utterance in all of sport: `Say it ain’t so, Joe. Say it ain’t so.’
But you know the one thing the woe Sox do have? They own the best alternative nickname in sport: Pale Hose. Let it drip off your tongue, Pale Hose. I can only suppose that once sometime long ago some headline poet of the sports pages, searching desperately for a shorter synonym for `white stockings,’ came up with that truly magnificent Pale Hose. Even now, though, I don’t think any human being has ever actually said, `Pale Hose.’ It is strictly a newspaper term to be printed, like `feted,’ `tabbed,’ `tiff,’ `melee,’ `as follows,’ `Sino,’ `nuptials,’ `garner,’ `senior circuit’ and `GOP.’ Nobody ever speaks those words. Nobody ever says, `Pale Hose.’ You’re hearing it here for the first time.
Alternative nicknames for teams are very rare, too. The Bronx Bombers are surely the most famous. America’s Team might have stuck for the Cowboys, but now it’s employed only facetiously. Monsters of the Midway for the Bears has gone the way of The Gashouse Gang and the Purple People Eaters and Dem Bums when the Dodgers were in Brooklyn. The Rangers are still the Broadway Blues, whenever again they might play hockey, and the Canadiens are the Habs, which is short for Habitants, a French term used in the local vernacular to denote the farmers of Quebec. That’s the most obscure alternative nickname.
However, most of them are pretty obvious: The Bucs for the Pirates, the Tribe for the Indians, the Fish for the Dolphins, the Flock for the Orioles, the Birds for the Orioles and the Cardinals. Big birds, like the Eagles, the Falcons and the Hawks, are never called birds. I don’t think the Lions have ever been called the Pride, either. The Angels are sometimes the Halos, and the Chargers become the Bolts. I think that’s a good one. I like the Bolts. But nothing approaches Pale Hose.
And now, of all things, the Pale Hose are off one of their best starts ever. Whatever, America, let us have pity on the unfamous men, the Who Sox. Let us all, to our dear hearts, take the Pale Hose.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4656212
NOW LETS BEAT THOSE BROADWAY BLUES!!! even if it is a different kind of Rangers
Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 2, 2010 7:03 PM CDT reply actions
ergh
quote fial…woops, didnt know you couldnt make large quotes
Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 2, 2010 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions
So where the fuck is the Gamethread?
Like, one minute to blast-off? Fucking CHINA.
You got to gird your loins. Life continues. There are good days. There are bad days, but you keep hustling to survive. - Chet Lemon
No shit.
"If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the people he gave it to."
— Dorothy Parker
by Chiburb on Jul 2, 2010 7:06 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
here ya go.

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Jul 2, 2010 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
makes em
regular
Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 2, 2010 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions
OPOSes are all about the early-bird gamethread special.
"Strangely, Christ is a closeted homosexual…" - winningugly
I will be one happy guy
when you change your sig.
You got to gird your loins. Life continues. There are good days. There are bad days, but you keep hustling to survive. - Chet Lemon
Is this a formal request?
I’ll change it if you’re serious.
"Strangely, Christ is a closeted homosexual…" - winningugly
Ehh. You get that old and you become awfully concerned about your own mortality. Every little of Jesus ass-kissing helps ease the fear.
"Strangely, Christ is a closeted homosexual…" - winningugly
I find it hysterical that I am such a goofball.
Carry on. Independence Day, you know.
You got to gird your loins. Life continues. There are good days. There are bad days, but you keep hustling to survive. - Chet Lemon
It's an homage, you know that. You are endlessly entertaining, especially unintentionally.
"Strangely, Christ is a closeted homosexual…" - winningugly
Like a retarded person.
Or a born-again person.
You got to gird your loins. Life continues. There are good days. There are bad days, but you keep hustling to survive. - Chet Lemon
is that what happens when a good catholic boy
moves from chicago to florida?
Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 2, 2010 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions
redundant.
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Jul 2, 2010 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Rec'd.
You got to gird your loins. Life continues. There are good days. There are bad days, but you keep hustling to survive. - Chet Lemon
Perhaps a "Born Against" person?
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
by rhythm on Jul 3, 2010 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
At least I have Teh Twinn v. Devil Rays to while away the hours.
You got to gird your loins. Life continues. There are good days. There are bad days, but you keep hustling to survive. - Chet Lemon
there is a gamethread that is supposed to be visible as of 7:05.
so thats weird.
Free Brent Lllibridge!
So make it happen, editor dude.
You’re in charge tonight. Meaning we are all fucked.
You got to gird your loins. Life continues. There are good days. There are bad days, but you keep hustling to survive. - Chet Lemon
Cheeeeat???
You got to gird your loins. Life continues. There are good days. There are bad days, but you keep hustling to survive. - Chet Lemon
Chiburb????????????
Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 2, 2010 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions
beckham and quentin are tied right now for 2nd worst full-time player in the AL
between gb’s awful offense and q’s awful defense they’ve actually been detrimental to the white sox.
gotta think they’ll both be much better the second half of the season. it would be hard to be as bad.
Cashing checks and having sex.

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