The Chicago White Sox Are In First Place
by e-gus on Jul 11, 2010 7:57 PM CDT
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PrintWhile the rest of the world watched an incredibly boring match of footy this afternoon, the Chicago White Sox dismantled the Kansas City Royals and moved into first place. They have been the hottest team in the big leagues for over a month now, winning 25 of their last 30 games, and 9 of the last 10.
We started calling this season Bizarro 2005 early on as it seemed every break went the other way and every one run game seemed to tally another loss. Now it seems 2010 more closely resembles the 1983 winnin' ugly White Sox as both versions of 'the Club' (premiering July 18th on MLB network) saw a big deficit early on erased in a mad dash for the post-season. If you told me a month ago that I would be writing about the White Sox and the playoffs in the same breath I never would have believed you. So what has gone right all of a sudden?
Short answer: Everything.
Here are some Chicago White Sox statistical highlights:
Brent Lillibridge is hitting .455 with a .478 OBP, with a .864 SLG.
Three Regulars are now slugging over .500: Konerko(.560! 8th best in the AL), Quentin(.523) and Rios(.518)
Dayan Viciedo has stepped right in to a big league role and excelled. His arrival coincided with the Sox hot streak, he is sporting a tidy .300 average and .500 SLG. Sure his defense has been pretty bad, but on days you need the leather a-flashing Ozzie can plug Omar Vizquel in over there.
Speaking of Omar, his on base percentage has gone up every month: .231 in April, .310 in May, .338 in June, and .350 so far for July. Not bad for an old man often batting second in the line up.
Juan Pierre is another guy doing his job that I pretty much doubted when the Sox went and got him. His defense in left field has been spectacular at times, and he is currently leading the American League with 32 stolen bases.
Paul Konerko started the season carrying the club and has continued to produce as everyone has come around. He is tied for 4th in the AL with 20 HR, and in 5th place with 63 RBI. He is an All-Star.
Alex Rios should be an All-Star. His defense in center-field has been stellar, he's batting .305 with 15 HR and 23 SB.
Q! Carlos Quentin has shaken off the kryptonite hangover and has looked every bit like his 2008 MVP caliber self.
Thats all pretty good, right? And I haven't even got to the pitching!
The pitching has been even better! The staff collectively didn't allow an extra base hit to the Angels for 20 innings.
Gavin Floyd only has 3 wins to show for it, but over the last month he has struck out 33 over 44.1 innings, with an ERA of 1.22 and a WHIP of .79 over that time.
In the same time span, Matt Thornton doesn't have an ERA (though he is responsible for one of Gavin's runs) and he picked up 7 holds, 3 saves and racked up 12 strikeouts over 10.2 IP.
Sergio Santos has only allowed 6 runs all season compiling 32 strikeouts over 28 innings of work.
Bobby Jenks has only blown one save all season, and that was back in May. Hopefully his wife is fully recovered from whatever it was that was ailing her.
John Danks has 12 quality starts including that complete game gem he pitched Thursday afternoon. He will get the first start against the Twins after the break.
I could list stats all day, but I need to mention that the rotation will go as follows when the Sox head up to Target Field next week: Danks, Floyd, Buehrle, Garcia and Hudson will be the new order. The 4 game trip to Minnesota after the break can't help but remind me of 2005. The situation was different of course, that season the Sox came out like gangbusters and ran away early, only to be slowly reeled in as the break approached, pretty much the opposite of this season (so maybe Bizarro 2005 still applies) and they had to go to Cleveland for four games. We were nervous about that series then, well I was anyway, but the Sox just went east and kicked their asses sweeping the series and making a nice lead in the standings. I would love to see that happen in Minnesota. Go up there and punish the team that is reeling. They may still be without Morneau, which would be huge.
Ah, shoot, I'm losing my direction with this post and its approaching hsa-ian length. The Sox are in first place, and I am feeling fine. Do they need to add another bat? It certainly wouldn't hurt. Will Jake Peavy be missed? Absolutely, but it isn't a deal breaker. The fact is the White Sox are in the thick of things in the AL Central. I feel like they can actually take the division for the first time since April. Its a great day to be a Sox fan, and it will be nice to watch the All-Star game and actually feel like another AL victory could potentially help our team.
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What place are the Chicago White Stockings of the Professional League of America?
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Jul 11, 2010 8:07 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
And a big thanks...
to Zack Greinke for being a bit sore today. May not have changed the outcome, but it was fun smacking Tony Lambchops around today.
And did you hear the Blackhawks won the Stanley Cup?
by TrickyDickAllen on Jul 11, 2010 8:18 PM CDT reply actions
According to Fangraphs Slappy has been woth about +7 runs in LF this year
at least he’s doing something well, still only on pace for a 1 WAR year though.
Would love to see the dead wood cut out off the lineup, insert Dunn, drop Slappy, move Q to perma DH and let Slappy/Dunn/Jones play the corners in the OF with Juan getting a start once or twice a week.
that said, what a long strange trip it’s been the past 5 weeks or so. 25-5, man when is the last time the Sox did that over 30 games?
Concerned about the cost...
of acquiring an Adam Dunn, but another bat would be fantastic. A real DH is needed.
And did you hear the Blackhawks won the Stanley Cup?
by TrickyDickAllen on Jul 11, 2010 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions
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gavin’s getting lucky? guess he has luck herpes since it seems to pop up frequently and stick around once it does. - billyok
by omnipotent grab on Jul 11, 2010 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bad time to be a buyer
17 teams are within 5 games of 1st place in their respective divisions.
IMO, it’s best for the Sox to wait a few weeks before making an acquisition so they can see what’s needed more at this point, pitching or hitting. Hopefully there will be fewer teams in contention by then, which would hopefully make it easier to acquire an upgrade.
its like that EVERY SINGLE YEAR
21 teams at last years break
Lurking since 2006
by boyonthedock on Jul 12, 2010 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Well in a few weeks
The White Sox could easily be 3 games back instead of 3 games up thinking about how they really should have added that left handed bat when they had a chance.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 12, 2010 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions
If looking at WAR
It shouldn’t make a 6 game difference over the next 2 weeks. But I agree you would get more production by making a move now. However, with a thin farm, do you use your prospects to get a bat or an arm?
The only 2 arms I can think of that may be available and worthwhile would be Sheets and Oswalt (who would probably veto a trade). I think Oswalt would be worth more than Dunn, but Colin or someone could do that analysis. :)
you think Oswalt would veto a trade?
why? his love of houston?
This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training
just found that
i love those rumors when they don’t give you any reason, just “a source confirmed”. i would think that he would accept a trade due to:
1) peavy. does he remain with the club, i.e. on the bench and in the clubhouse, even if he’s out for the year? they’re buds
2) contending. the dude’s 32 and not getting any younger
though I’m sure he’s wary of making the jump to the AL
This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training
Still pissed we pantsed him in '05.
You got to gird your loins. Life continues. There are good days. There are bad days, but you keep hustling to survive. - Chet Lemon
yup
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
Well of course, no one player makes that much of a difference
It was an obvious exaggeration, but we’re in a division with three teams 3 games apart, every game counts.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 12, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Q is the one player making that kind of difference.
You could say our record has been tracking his SLG all year. He’s possibly our MVP so far. Most Valuable Prayer.
You got to gird your loins. Life continues. There are good days. There are bad days, but you keep hustling to survive. - Chet Lemon
As I've said over and over again... getting Dunn means one of he and Quentin play RF
And that’s a disaster. To totally maximize their resources, getting an actual fielder to allow Q! to DH is the way to go.
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 12, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
This
Is still better than our current situation.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 12, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, I think they should just get the best player that they can land
if his value is a combination of his hitting and fielding, that’s great.
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
would hart fit?
and what would be his cost? but his defense isn’t much more spectacular than Q!
Why is this brainless, legless drunk still on my TV?-RWShow
by soxshenanigans on Jul 12, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
According to MLB trade rumors...
The Brewers were asking for Jonathan Sanchez from the Giants who had inquired about Hart.
With that said, I don’t want Hart. He doesn’t take many walks, he’s a liability in the field, and he’s a streaky hitter. I’ll pass.
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 12, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
i'd be satisfied with playing jones/kotsay in rf and using Q as dh.
We have the same offense, same pitching but poorer defense than 05. I’d be looking at adding pitching, if anything. and play vizquel 70% of the time at 3b.
I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok
Disagree that the defense is poorer.
Better outfield on this team, no question. Rios and Pierre are better than Rowand and Pods. Dye was okay back then, maybe as good as Kotsay is now, better than Q but worse than Jones.
Vizquel and Crede would be a wash, but Dayan brings that average down. Ramirez is every bit as good as Uribe was, but with better focus (this year, anyway). Bacon and Iguchi is probably a wash, and younger Paulie and AJ were only marginally better than present-day Paulie and AJ.
I say Rios and Pierre make the difference, and I like the 2010 defense better.
"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox
slappy = juan?
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
yes
"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe
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gavin’s getting lucky? guess he has luck herpes since it seems to pop up frequently and stick around once it does. - billyok
by omnipotent grab on Jul 12, 2010 6:08 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pierre won't be cut from the lineup
Ozzie loves the speed too much, he’s playing plus defense, and who would lead off in his place? If acquired, Dunn would be an upgrade at DH, getting occasional starts in the field.
A week or two ago, I would have said we would be looking for an upgrade at offense, but with the Peavy injury and a bit of an uptick on the offense, it could very well be a starting pitcher…it depends on how we start after the All-Star break, and what’s going to give us the most cost effective upgrade (pitching or hitting) in terms of the few prospects we have.
Oh no. Not another "Who would lead off" question!
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 11, 2010 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions
The dreaded leadoff inquiry.
"I'm tired, I've got a headache, my bullpen blew it." -South Side Expat
by Teahenny Penny on Jul 12, 2010 2:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Hawk would be proud
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 12, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I was being rhetorical
I don’t think Ozzie will replace Juan at leadoff because there isn’t a better option.
How about someone good at hitting?
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 12, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd say OBP is more important
Juan’s is .326. The only every day players with higher OBP are Konerko, Rios, and Quentin.
I’m not a Pierre fan, but I don’t think we have a better option right now.
If Alexei could resurrect his walk rate from last year I think he'd be fine up there
You’re right though. There aren’t any better options currently on the roster. Konerko, Rios, and Quentin need to be in RBI slots. I was more preaching to go out and get someone, but we all know that isn’t going to happen.
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 12, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
oh, I am really enjoying watching Viciedo rake.
But what is the over/under on his first walk taken? I’m going to go with July 26th.
I've had it with these motherfuckin Tigers and Twins in this motherfuckin first place
Let’s have another drawing contest during the all-star dry patch
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Enough is enough!
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 12, 2010 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Also, it's time to start talking batting title for little bridge
Is he the new Ted Williams? Will he maintain this .455 clip? My instincts say he will!
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by billyok on Jul 11, 2010 8:34 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
This was good for an actual lol.
"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat
by South Side Expat on Jul 11, 2010 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions
only question is
what do the sox do with teahen when he comes back? he will ruin everything. i dont know when he is planning on coming back, but they should keep him out long enough until the 40 man roster, because i am riding the brent lillibridge bandwagon and i never want to get off.
i loooooooove cotton candy
Tea Bag:
Keep him as the super-sub (albeit overpaid), the same role he ended serving in Kansas City. Anything else would be K. Williams/Ozzie Hubris.
"Why Dye no have a job?"
is teahan a better player then jones
he’s neutral in RF and possibly a better bat. he could be the Sox’s Bloomquist!
There's something about Teahan's approach
that I just hate. Even when he was hitting .275 earlier this year. I know statistically SBs don’t play a huge role in winning, but I still prefer Jones in a lead off role vs. a bat w/more power w/terrible defense. Even if he is a lefty.
"Why Dye no have a job?"
did you mean pierre?
because neither Jones nor Teahan should be batting leadoff. And SB’s do play a role.
Other than 9th
where would you put Jones? SBs play a role, but I’ve seen statistical arguments both for and against the impact. I won’t pretend to really understand the arguments. I just really hate Teahen. Like KenWo and PK, only slightly based in fact.
"Why Dye no have a job?"
by TheOutfield on Jul 11, 2010 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Argh. Yes. I meant Pierre.
"Why Dye no have a job?"
by TheOutfield on Jul 11, 2010 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Slappy McPierre is bothersome at leadoff
because he’s a bad hitter in general, but whatever, he’s fast, steals bases at a good clip and legs out infield singles.
the discussion concerning stolen bases is at what point do the outs you run into by getting thrown out outweigh the extra bases gained. this number is usually around a 70% success rate but varies by year based on the run scoring environment of the league. a year like right now when run scoring is down pushes that number down because runs are more valuable due to scarcity, so Juan becomes more valuable.
There’s something about Teahen’s approach contract that I just hate.
Fixed.
"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox
by RWShow on Jul 12, 2010 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
allow me to be the first
Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok
I believe everybody of this SSS forum...
has been demanding that Liilibridge get ABs from the start of the season. It’s about time Kenny and Ozzie stepped-up and did something about. At least I’m pretty sure I’m remembering this correctly.
actually Im pretty sure no-one has given his putrid 09
I do like him now though
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
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When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
He's not an Lillilusion!
Justin Morneau OPS 1.055
Brent Lillibridge OPS 1.264
Don’t give me your “small sample size” routine….
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
by 67WMAQ on Jul 11, 2010 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
The Bridge IS the Small Sample!
"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok
by DrEmilioLizardo on Jul 12, 2010 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions
whoops
I missed that one
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
by blackoutsox on Jul 11, 2010 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I did not clamor for Little Bridge
I admit I could have been wrong.
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.
by NorthSidePaulie on Jul 11, 2010 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Whoosh?
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.
by NorthSidePaulie on Jul 11, 2010 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions
2010 TCQ vs. 2008
Quentin hit 26 by the end of July, 2008. If the ASB doesn’t break his mojo…is it possible to match that by the end of this month?
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
He hit number 28 on July 30
26 was the go-ahead homer against the Rangers on July 23rd.
I the only comparison that matters, when looking at 2008, is whether he hits homers in September.
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
I was at the game today
I had fun
RIP Bob Probert
I have witnessed the 2005 World Series championship, Mark Buehrle's perfect game, and the 2010 Chicago Blackhawks Stanley Cup championship in my lifetime.
nice
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
Mark Teahen is Jonah
Throwing him overboard putting him on the DL clearly triggered this surge.
Seriously, I’m glad to see Viciedo contribute, and that Beckham’s bat is showing signs of life. If Hudson can settle in and throw productive innings in the second half, the Sox can both contend and develop the young guys for next season.
Life is good.
by asinwreck on Jul 11, 2010 9:44 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
we love the biblical references around here dont we?
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
by blackoutsox on Jul 11, 2010 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
A nice Breeze Blows in, Whenever Bobby Jenks Cracks a Grin...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeqCqxhxLtc
"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok
by DrEmilioLizardo on Jul 12, 2010 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions
As the White Sox take over 1st place Im conflicted
I almost feel like it was the grand ending to a great movie and the sequel comes out next year. Aliens,God Father II (great ones) or Alien Resurrection, God Father III (disappointments.) Which will it be?
This has been 1 of the most fun 30 games of baseball the White Sox have given me.
Can’t wait for the second act.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
by Tdogg on Jul 11, 2010 9:58 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I missed the game in all forms, sadly...
But I would say that the past month is gonna be one that I’m gonna tell the grand kids about when I get to be wu’s age, no matter the outcome this year.
“Lemme tell ya a tale about the kid Lillibridge… The 2nd coming of Ted Williams he was…”
"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat
by South Side Expat on Jul 11, 2010 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Is this cautious optimism I'm reading? I'm shocked!
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 11, 2010 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
What do you want me to say? Minny and Detroit suck and its over? That would be more like our friends to the North who are now eating crow and looking at our asses. KW seems determined not to let his chance slip by this time (good.)
Im not worried about Hudson, I think his 2nd start is much better.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Don't kid yourself.
They’ve ALWAYS looked at our asses.
"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox
I was just messin' with ya man
I was just using you as an example of how we’ve all gone thru various mood swings with this team.
I was promoting blowing the team up 5 weeks ago. Then came cautious optimism. Now I’m starting to drink the Kool-Aid.
I feel like we’ve all been pregnant the past 2 months
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 12, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
spiderman 2. toy story 2.
i’d settle for a just as good sequel, like 28 weeks later, or superman II
Lurking since 2006
by boyonthedock on Jul 12, 2010 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions
If you want to talk about a sequel truly surpassing the original in all possible ways
the discussion begins and ends with Empire.
SSS: I love you
White Sox: I know
Aliens
My Favorite
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Love Aliens... better in a lot of ways
but there are some things the original still does better. Really not even the same genre even though they are part of the same franchise (horror/suspense vs horror/action).
Chiburb: No, I am your father
HSA: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO (falls to apparent death)
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 12, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
28 weeks later pissed me off on a number of levels
i guess it could never live up to the thumb gouging scene of 28 days later at the end
This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training
I have any trouble watching a movie
Where the entire plot is based on two kids being that stupid. Because I just spend the whole time being disgusted with the person’s actions, instead just enjoying the movie. Kills most horror movies for me too.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 12, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
It wasnt bad but you are definitely right
Those were two the dumbest kids I ever saw.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
It was just such a lazy way to get into the plot
It’s like they spent 5 minutes figuring how to get people back in the danger zone and one of them just popped up with “Kids are unbelievably stupid and often put in situations where they can destroy the entire human race, I bet we could make that work,” and that was it.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 12, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions
lol. you're right. I was thinking the same thing. Should've shot the little peckers when they had the chance
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 12, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
All-Star Break Standings
Teams with an outright division lead of any length at the All-Star break go to the playoffs 73 percent of the time (61 of 83).
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/tom_verducci/07/09/three.strikes/
Also, 12 out of the last 15 Division Leaders in the AL have went on to make the playoffs.
by RME JICO on Jul 11, 2010 10:07 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
that gets a rec from me
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
by blackoutsox on Jul 11, 2010 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
And that's green.
Let’s hope this trend continues in our favor
RIP Bob Probert
I have witnessed the 2005 World Series championship, Mark Buehrle's perfect game, and the 2010 Chicago Blackhawks Stanley Cup championship in my lifetime.
by chisoxfan1473 on Jul 12, 2010 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions
dan hudson's start wasnt very impressive though...
the reason we went on these long streaks was because we had no holes in our rotation. the good run support on KCs fill-in pitcher hopefully gave him the confidence to just go out there and pitch. he really has to step up and focus on delivering those quality starts. if were gonna compete we gotta be solid through and through.
please
Dan Hudson just knows how to win games
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
by blackoutsox on Jul 11, 2010 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Dan Hudson Tony Pena just knows how to win games
Fixed.
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
never
my hatred for pena runs deep
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
by blackoutsox on Jul 11, 2010 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions
that fill-in pitcher
shut us down in his first appearance against us. Sox lost that game 3-1.
I’m glad they beat his brains in yesterday.
the streak
Czheck Productions
My Instrumentals
This shameful display of selfishness and betrayal by one of our very own has shifted our "motivation" to previously unknown and previously never experienced levels.
The Streak
"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat
by South Side Expat on Jul 12, 2010 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions
This has all been incredibly shocking to me.
Even really, really good teams don’t go on a 25-5 tear. The team is 17-9 in one run games. That’s incredible, and even better than 2005. Some might call that good luck. I’d say there’s some good luck involved, but it’s becoming obvious good luck isn’t all there is to it.
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 12, 2010 12:13 AM CDT reply actions
It's not good luck.
It’s Fucking Super insane duper wooper califragilisticexpialidosous gollygeeshucks yipeecayyeah muthafucka luck…
Not even an insane super mad genius could put this team together and expect this result. And that is why KW must be like the best GM next to like the 3rd in the line of succession to God. The fallen angel’s executive secretary, or something.
"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat
by South Side Expat on Jul 12, 2010 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
the BABIP alone at the start of the season was some godawful luck
shits just evening out
Lurking since 2006
by boyonthedock on Jul 12, 2010 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Is that quote directly from the trailer for The Club?
by homesickalien on Jul 12, 2010 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions
White Sox baseball- Here's two bottles of La Fin Du Monde and a joint.
"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat
by South Side Expat on Jul 12, 2010 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions
I could go for that right now.
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 12, 2010 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions
I had to work for like 12 hours, which is why afterwards, it was the end of the world for me.
"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat
by South Side Expat on Jul 12, 2010 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
"The fallen angel's executive secretary"
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.
by NorthSidePaulie on Jul 12, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sure there have been studies done to compare team's
Records in one run games vs. the quality of their bullpen, so I could be wrong, but I’d think that would play a large part.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 12, 2010 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions
It does play a huge part
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 12, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
maybe hendry would like teahen
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by billyok on Jul 12, 2010 12:41 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
maybe hendry would like a team that is near .450
"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat
by South Side Expat on Jul 12, 2010 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
maybe Hendry would like a team that wins a postseason game
RIP Bob Probert
I have witnessed the 2005 World Series championship, Mark Buehrle's perfect game, and the 2010 Chicago Blackhawks Stanley Cup championship in my lifetime.
by chisoxfan1473 on Jul 12, 2010 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe Hendry would like a doughnut.
"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox
by RWShow on Jul 12, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
maybe hendry would like to be able to pretend that he cares
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
Maybe a dumb question
But how how much of Teahen’s $4.6M/year would we have to eat to make him “attractive” to another team (e.g. Astros, Cubs)?
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.
by NorthSidePaulie on Jul 12, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
who do you want from the cubs??
Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok
Lilly possibly
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.
by NorthSidePaulie on Jul 12, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't recall...
…ever seeing a CWS team do so much damage w/ 2 out. This, to me, is the most outstanding feature of this unbelievable run.
I personally like the fact
that if we are winning after 5 innings Santos/Putz/Thornton/Jenks gives us the win.
Kenwo4life=ratings
Well, yeah but... I see the Sox and Tigers with 38 losses each.
So to me they’re tied for first.
What a run the last 30 have been!
"If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the people he gave it to."
— Dorothy Parker
by Chiburb on Jul 12, 2010 4:14 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah I'd rather the Sox be tied with the Tigers in wins instead of losses
You can always make up the wins but you can’t make up the losses
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by Scotty Ballgame on Jul 12, 2010 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions
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Good day sunshine
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I need to laugh, and when the sun is out
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I’m in love and it’s a sunny day
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by BobbySouthSide on Jul 12, 2010 6:56 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Q! has totally lost his fucking mind
Missed 3 games this week getting his knee iced, still had 6 HR and 12 RBI. Raised his SLG from .450 to .523 in a week, and his OPS from .779 to .867
I am become Q! Destroyer of Worlds
Olney ranks remaining schedules for teams in contention, toughest to easiest:
4. Detroit Tigers
Games remaining against teams with records over .500: 42
Home games: 36 of 76
Conversation piece: The Tigers play 30 straight games against teams with records over .500 from July 19 to August 19. Following that, just 19 of their 41 are against teams with records over .500.7. Chicago White Sox
Games remaining against teams with records over .500: 40
Home games: 35 of 75
Conversation piece: The White Sox finish up the season with seven home games, against Boston and the Indians.15. Minnesota Twins
Games remaining against teams with records over .500: 33
Home games: 38 of 74
Conversation piece: Okay, so maybe Joe Mauer is banged up, and the team is struggling like crazy — but at least they know that they have the best schedule in their division in the second half. At one point, they’ll play 13 straight games against teams with records under .500.
This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training
The schedule for the Sox will still be light
in the immediate future. It doesn’t really matter now anyway. The teams are so close and they have so many h2h games left each can determine their own outcome.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
I love our chances to gain some ground after the break
Barring of a disastrous series in Minn, we follow that with 2 weeks of games against a Lee-less Seattle and fairly punch-less Oakland team.
that last series against Cleveland
(and the one before it in Cleveland at the end of August) will be a good time to even things out against Cleveland like we just did against the Royals.
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.
by NorthSidePaulie on Jul 12, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
oh god we better be over three games in front before we play the indians
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
If Beckham has really figured it out...
There’s your additional bat. Then KennyGM can look to add a quality starter (Oswalt?) to mitigate Phreddy’s inevitable meltdown. If Phreddy doesn’t collapse, he’s at least still #5 and a non-starter in the playoffs (looking ahead).
That’s why I’d be waiting until next Sunday (at earliest) to do anything. Gives Beckham 4 more games to either be there or not.
"If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the people he gave it to."
— Dorothy Parker
Im not opposed to waiting a tiny bit now
but not if you might lose out. KW should still be working the phones. Again I would focus on any good bat and sort the rest out later. If you do add a starter I don’t think it has to be of the Oswalt ilk.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
zambrano
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 13, 2010 4:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Even if Beckham finds his bat
You’re still starting either Mark Kotsay or Andruw Jones at DH / RF. And you’re still starting either a guy who is 43 or the Pimptank at third base, while at the same time carrying AJ and Pierre in the line up. The team needs a bat regardless what Beckham does.
I think all it does, and I said this yesterday, is give the White Sox more power in negotiating trades because they aren’t as desperate as they were a couple weeks ago.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 12, 2010 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions
this team has plenty of flaws
I think they stand pat right until the trade deadline to see what need is most pressing. They don’t have any trading chits, so they might be pull off maybe one deal.
I am become Q! Destroyer of Worlds
Don't necessarily need big pieces
If you are just willing to take on a salary. Not to mention, with so many flaws, it’s not like we need to trade for Prince Fielder or Roy Oswalt to get better.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 12, 2010 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions
So many flaws?
Folks I think its time to stop saying this. Hard to believe but the White Sox are now an avg AL offense.
wOBA .327 7th (and rising)
Q puts them into a whole different class.
Im not saying they don’t need to make a deal. But you can no longer just casually say that even if Beckham finds his bat……
I also realize there is still the Stars/Scrubs method in play and the Sox are more vulnerable if they lost Q, Rios or Konerno for extended time.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
We have 3 good bats
4 if you count Alexei. You’re relying on two of the streakier guys in baseball in Rios and Konerko, and a guy who is hurt more often than not.
The fact is as long as we trot out a guy at DH every day who is OPSing .709 we need another bat. That’s inexcusable. Maybe if Jones is the RF every day and Q DH’s, we’re not so bad, but do you really want to rely on Andruw Jones?
by Grinder in Training on Jul 12, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
That's the most of the league
Again I realize we need another bat, but there sometimes is this unrealistic comparsion going on. Yes the Sox are weaker at DH. But what are the Twins and Tigers rolling out at CF? Especially if Q is rotated into the DH spot anyway. He’s better than all those other DH’s
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
I think the point is that DH is the easiest position to fill so there is no reason not to fill it
It is hard to find a good centerfielder.
Just because other teams have flaws doesn’t mean the Sox should fill their glaring, easy-to-fill need.
Yes.
When the problem is as obvious as the White Sox and so easy to fill, why wouldn’t we do so? RF / DH’s are a dime, a dozen. It’s not like we’re trying to replace the catcher or SS.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 12, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes, most of the league
We’re no longer concerned about most of the league. We should only be comparing ourselves to playoff teams. If we don’t match up with them, it’s irrelevant.
And if Q is at DH, it means our RF is garbage, unless you believe Jones past week is what we will get from him going forward. The fact is Jones / Kotsay is a black hole, that is easily fixed. It was a blackhole before the season, it’s a blackhole now and it’s going to be one in the playoffs if we get there and haven’t fixed it. When you someone as bad as Mark Kotsay starting every day, it’s not hard to improve your ball club, and it needs to be done.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 12, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
I only illustrate this because compare the Sox numbers to a team like the Rays
Universally thought of as better. Their team OPS is .745. The Sox .744 The Rays wOBA .335 compare to the Sox .327. They also gaining on the Twins. This is all with the absolutely putrid April and half of May.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
you keep doing that
what they did in April and May tells us something about the team. it counts equally.
Fireworks: Bang?
Exactly..
It’s not fair to discount the bad April and May’s as just underachieving and then accept June or July when we were clearly overachieving.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 12, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Doesnt change the final numbers
Sorry.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
No I don't
I just do a comparsion with other teams. And I say stop (not really you) making these ironclad statements when I can look at my competition or league and see how they really stack up. Im also realistic. Which sometimes puzzles me about your responses. I’m weighing some potential moves as to how much it really improves us vs what we give up.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
I and apparently Colin
Must have misread you then, it sounded like you assume we’re going to keep going up, but we’ve clearly overachieved now for nearly as long as we underachieved. I think this as good as our offense is going to look all season if we don’t make a move.
I mean guys like Lillibridge, Pimptank, Vizquel are clearly outperforming any expectations anyone had for them at the plate. The same can be said for Konerko and Rios, although I don’t think either will have a big drop, they are still having great years.
Q and Beckham are really the only guys that you can hope will have numbers go significantly up from here, everyone else is probably looking at some decline.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 12, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Rios is well within his range
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Well I said he wouldn't have a big drop
He’s still performing just as well you could expect, my point was, the offense isn’t going to get much better.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 12, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Of course I do
because its kind of a habit with this team. There is standard deviation and luck and there is not likely to happen stupid crazy luck. Im not arguing not to get another bat. Of course the team needs one. But stop with all the Sox offense is so much worse than X because frankly its not.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
they're average-ish
depending on the day. it’s not like i didn’t document the bad luck.
Fireworks: Bang?
All I ever said its an average AL offense
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Well all I'm saying is, average isn't good enough
And when you have an easy fix to your problem, it should be assumed you will do what is necessary to fix it. It’s unacceptable to go into the playoff run with Mark Kotsay starting regularly.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 12, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Why?
This is where you confuse me. The Sox model for success this year was an average offense and stellar pitching. 2B has hurt this team way more than Kotsay/Jones DH. Every team except the elite has flaws. Why would the Sox be any different? You get the best bat you can period. The Sox should spend zero time on focusing on “replacing” Kotsay only.
Frankly there is a legit argument that a stellar pitcher does more overall good to the team anyway. I really haven’t decided from a numbers perspective yet but my first wish would be to the bat thing.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
i would be alright with a starter instead of
a bat. though there’s probably the most to gain from adding a bat, since there have been multiple replacement level performances so far.
the nice thing about a non-rental starter is that we could trade hudson.
Fireworks: Bang?
This occured to me when Larry pointed out correctly
That a difference making bat would likely cost Hudson. It puts a different spin on things and made me rethink things.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
trading Hudson
would really need to result in a long term starter/position filled with quality to make sense afaict. he’s cheap on a team that could use exactly that.
Fireworks: Bang?
Any bat can play the position Kotsay does though?
The best bat, regardless what position they may play, would replace Kotsay. I guess maybe this is just semantics, but I mean it’s not like Kotsay is the SS. He’s the DH.
Any bat that comes here, no matter where they go RF, 1B, DH, etc.. is having a domino effect that should lead to Mark Kotsay not playing. Even if we get a 2B, I’d rather have Beckham DH than Kotsay.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 12, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
thats just silly
and pig headed. Your hate of Kotsay is making you blind.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
My hate of Kotsay?
Are you kidding me here? Look at what he’s doing man. His OPS is .709. He’s the DH. This isn’t a gold glove SS we’re talking about.
I’m not blind, but he’s the easiest spot to upgrade. You tackle the low hanging fruit. It’s not like we need a superstar to get a decent upgrade here.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 12, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah your hate...
“Even if we get a 2B, I’d rather have Beckham DH than Kotsay.” That’s just silly.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
If Beckham is back on track
As it looks like to us, and as Walker suggested, why in the hell wouldn’t I rather have Beckham at the plate than Kotsay?
by Grinder in Training on Jul 12, 2010 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
hmmm because
there is no proof he is. Be consistent. If the whole year matters it does. Beckham is opsing .581
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Everything about them matters
Beckham is a better player. Mark Kotsay sucked this year, and he sucked the rest of his career.
It’s not silly. I’ll take Beckham over Kotsay and I wouldn’t think twice. Kotsay blows. I don’t see why you wouldn’t see this as the easiest problem to fix, or that he isn’t a blatant problem to begin with. The guy is a disaster.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 12, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Nothing would make me happier
than for Beckham to turn it around but newsflash, Becks has freaking sucked this year. Stop confusing the issue. Its getting quite irritating with this assumption of what Beckham will do when I havent seen extended performance to back up it up. So yes I think its retarded to be claiming a guy who has not put up a .600 OPS the whole damn season should be starting at DH over ANYBODY on this team. Beckham has been a complete disaster.
I want the players who give us the best chance to win on the field.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
zips has him outperforming kotsay the rest of the year.
Cashing checks and having sex. Also doing some light medical diagnoses.
And at what point do you say
not going to happen? It would seem silly to use a player over another player who has failed to outproduce him for an extended period of time.
Since 5/1
Beckham .208/.267/.297
Kotsay .260/.355/.433
This is a retarded conversation.
Beckham doesn’t have some 3 year track record to fall back on.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Kotsay does though
And it’s bad. I’ll take the unknown over bad. The fact is though, neither should DH. We should go get one.
It’s your acceptance of Kotsay in general that bothers me. He’s god awful.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 12, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
My acceptance deals
with weighing all options to upgrade not just Kotsay. I could care less about him. If we upgrade him I have no issue with that. I just want a good bat.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Well
Wouldn’t any good bat, be replacing Kotsay?
Since he’s the weakest link, and also happens to not play a defensive position. So if you want a bat, you care about Kotsay. That’s the guy who is going to the bench if you want a bat.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 12, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Why do you choose may 1?
everyone is arguing that beckham is coming around lately, and lately is not may.
since june 1 the only thing kotsay has going for him over beckham is 10 walks. becks is also opsing .700 for the last month.
I just chose a date for a couple
months of data. And that’s great for Becks. I really do want him to turn it around esp considering the number I put on him the pre season.
That 30 day number is better than I thought.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
he chose may 1 because kotsay was horrible in april and choosing that date makes kotsay look better.
this is silly
everyone knows Kotsay sucked in April, along with the rest of the team.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
you talk like it's irrelevant.
Cashing checks and having sex. Also doing some light medical diagnoses.
yep. you can't just ignore it.
Cashing checks and having sex. Also doing some light medical diagnoses.
Its not for no reason
Larry. The freaking point was fielding the team that was playing the best. Its no different than me saying screw Andrew Jones if he sucked for 2 months because of what he did in April. Gimme a break and stop the damn nit picking.
Look fellas Im tired of fighting over it. Fuck Mark Kotsay. I hope to God Becks does well but stop turning his ass into some likely money.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
you're getting a bit too fixated on recent performance.
there’s a reason that larger sample sizes are almost always better than smaller sample sizes.
beckham has been better the last 2 weeks.
Cashing checks and having sex. Also doing some light medical diagnoses.
sounds like to me then
you don’t have an issue taking the wager.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
.310/.318/.595 since june 25
seems like whatever he did to crawl out of it involves not taking walks (10 walks in may, 2 since), but if he wants to ops 900 he can be my guest.
compare him to mark kotsay.
Cashing checks and having sex. Also doing some light medical diagnoses.
by MarketMaker on Jul 12, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think its hard to don't you?
Anderson never recovered.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
not sure what you mean here.
anderson never was much good in the majors. pretty much performed the same.
in reference to a bad performance
that never turned around in 06. Of course that’s comparing him to being decent in the minors.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
eye test
when you have a shorter track record, scouting becomes a more important ingredient in analysis.
then would you say the eye test looks good, and his recent stats support that?
even a lot of his outs have looked good.
i don't think beckham will continue to OPS .551
or .564. or whatever cut off date from a few months ago one wants to use. beckham will be fine. i expect league average or better offensive output from him going forward.
raised his OPS 60 points since then.
Cashing checks and having sex. Also doing some light medical diagnoses.
For the record,
ZiPS does have Beckham outperforming Kotsay for the rest of the season, so it’s not completely silly.
What was his zips prediction this year.
Uh huh.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
I am not saying I am sure he would
but to act incredulous at the concept is a bit much. I’d say it’s even money on who has the best post ASB line.
If forced to choose I would too.
But I wouldn’t like it. He was pretty terrible in the first half. A few good games and Walk’s vote of confidence don’t completely sell me on the supposed turnaround.
I'll take Kotsay
Any reasonable thing you like (even shots out at) his line is better in the 2nd half than Beckham’s
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
I hope Im very wrong
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
care to make it interesting?
Cashing checks and having sex. Also doing some light medical diagnoses.
no because honestly
i dont care that much about it.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
just thought you might like to put your money where your mouth is.
Cashing checks and having sex. Also doing some light medical diagnoses.
yours is in wu's wine cellar.
I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok
you're still alive?
fuck.
Cashing checks and having sex. Also doing some light medical diagnoses.
by MarketMaker on Jul 12, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't bet money over things like this
its a friendly site man.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
i wouldn't have wanted to bet money.
but it’s always nice to make things a bit more interesting.
a friendly wager for a friendly site.
Cashing checks and having sex. Also doing some light medical diagnoses.
why bet HJs when we can all just give them to each other for free?
Cashing checks and having sex. Also doing some light medical diagnoses.
yeah, put your (non)money where your mouth is.
I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok
your kids don't visit much, do they?
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by MarketMaker on Jul 12, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
stop sucking Kotsays balls
just get me a right fielder or a third baseman
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
We have one coming off the DL
but he’s just as bad as Kotsay.
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.
by NorthSidePaulie on Jul 12, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions
What’s really said is that ZiPS, missing Beckham’s projection by 84 points of wOBA, is actually doing better than the other projections.
It’s like the old joke about not needing to outrun a bear, just your friend!
--
Dan Szymborski
BTF
Dan on ESPN Insider
by D.Szymborski on Jul 12, 2010 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
and i needed to press z 1 more time.
Cashing checks and having sex. Also doing some light medical diagnoses.
I'd be all for this in the interim
Until we make a move, I think this is the obvious solution, and I think Jones would have put up better numbers if he had started all season. Not great or anything, but at least better than he has or Kotsay has.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 12, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
i'd like to see him get extended time now that he has 400.
I really think that was changing his approach.
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this
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
and the Rays and Sox comparsion in numbers IS for the season.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
The issue with the Sox offense vs the Twins or Rays is the Sox offense is dependent on a few guys performing near their career bests to make up for all the scrubs.
The Twins and Rays both have a lot of above average players that just need to perform near their career norms.
This also makes the Sox more vulnerable if an injury hits one of their Stars. The Sox have all their eggs in a four baskets while the Twins and Rays have them in seven or so.
While I agree with this sentiment
I think our better pitching staff (starters and bullpen) makes it a wash with the Twins. What if one of the Twins current starting 5 gets injured?
I don’t think this is the case for Tampa though…
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.
by NorthSidePaulie on Jul 12, 2010 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
and Q isn't exactly the most reliable from a health perspective.
also, they leapfrogged Toronto in the worst BABIP contest.
Fireworks: Bang?
yes flaws
When a third of your starting lineup has an OPS under .650 and your DH has an OPS of .709 at the ASB, I’d say you have flaws.
You’re also one more SP injury away from serious problems with the pitching staff. Ride this wave as long as we can and see what shakes out. As long as they’re this hot they probably don’t want to change things anyways.
I am become Q! Destroyer of Worlds
exactly what i was thinking but you said it so eloquently.
I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok
get off of freddy for god sakes.
the guys been money in the bank this year. He has shown no signs of slowing…. he’s actually been better lately than he was at the beginning. He’s having a very good year. There is no inevitable meltdown in sight. Dude is good. I hope he starts in the playoffs. He’ll do a great job. He’s pitched good vs. the Rays, Twins, Yankees, Tigers and Rangers. Id rather have him start in the playoffs than Buehrle.
Kenwo4life=ratings
You had me until the last three sentences
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
Second half Beckham
Walker (yes, I know) was at Cork and Kerry yesterday. He said Beckham was lost in his first slump. He was so far down the rabbit hole that he looked bad during batting practice. He says Beckham looks MUCH better at the plate. In Walk’s words, he’s back.
Since he was right on Rios, I’m inclined to believe that Beckham will join the party dressed to kill (to quote The Who).
I also have a sneaking suspicion that the Roy Oswalt flirtation will result in the Sox getting Lance Berkman.
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
I'd be all for that. Place Berkman in RF and let Q! DH
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 12, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Unless it cost us Hudson...
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.
by NorthSidePaulie on Jul 12, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Would Berkman cost that much at this point?
Mediocre year, declining and big money rental. Am I overvaluing Hudson?
by Grinder in Training on Jul 12, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
i would take berkman
for roughly what we paid for griffey
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by boyonthedock on Jul 12, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Berkman was having a mediocre year...
but in the last month he’s hitting .293/.426/.610. ZiPS projects about the same production from him and Dunn going forward (rest of the season). He’s also getting paid more and isn’t as likely an arbitration candidate as Dunn.
Good to know
Didn’t even notice he turned it around.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 12, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
you're overvaluing berkman
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really doesnt make a difference compared to our last two right fielders
the main upgrade is the bat, which is good
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
Walker also said he had thought about quitting many times
but Jerry Reinsdorf convinced him to stay when he said (as Q! was coming off his injury), “Carlos Quentin needs you here.”
That’s just beautiful man.
"Unemployment benefits are creating jobs faster than practically any other program...It injects demand into the economy... It creates jobs faster than almost any other initiative you can name."
- House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (7/1/10) – God help us.
oh reinsdorf
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
Jake Peavy (strained lat, ERD 10/4)
Peavy’s retracted lat strain is relatively unique, but not quite as unique as I’d thought. A Dodgers farmhand, Brett Leach, had a very similar surgery a few years back, performed by my number three super-surgeon, Dr. Neal ElAttrache. Leach was able to come back without significant difficulty and, according to Kevin Goldstein, he got his velocity back quickly, losing only time to injury. This is definitely a positive indicator for Peavy, and confirms the earlier thought that he’d be able to come back at some point near spring training 2011. I spoke with Dr. ElAttrache about the surgery, and he confirmed most of what I knew: the surgery is relatively simple, a matter of tacking the tendon back into place. Leach has had good results with no setbacks of any type, and if Peavy recovers on a similar timeline, he’ll be back at 100 percent by next spring. Dr. ElAttrache wasn’t sure that the run of lat strains that we’ve had lately was more than coincidence, but he noted that the lat is both an accelerator and a decelerator in the shoulder, an unusual circumstance. None of the training programs that most pitchers do have any specific activities for the lat the way that many focus on the rotator cuff, so it’s a possibility if this turns out to be a sign that the lat is breaking down within the kinetic chain.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=11447
where the fuck is Cy Garcia, you jabronie?
His name is Rios and he dances on the sand
by Nordhagen on Jul 12, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
the philly bullpen
Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok
the a's bullpen
welcome back Gio Gonzalez.
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
I approve of every word in this sentence, especially the last.
Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 13, 2010 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions
I dont know.
That’s a lot of money tied up in the starting staff.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
that assrapes even more than this pitching staff
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
If you're going to rosterbate, dream big.
Lee-Oswalt-Peavy-Danks-Floyd
Buehrle steps in when Peavy lacerates his carotid artery with a spork.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 12, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Didn't Lee Oswalt shoot JFK?
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.
by NorthSidePaulie on Jul 12, 2010 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Could a Doctor ElAttrache
really perform the lat muscle attach-ay?
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.
by NorthSidePaulie on Jul 12, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Pedro anyone?
Rather than giving up what little young talent we have in our system for a 5th starter replacement, how about stealing Pedro from the reluctant Phillies and seeing what he can do? As a two-month rental, hard to find a more qualified guy to start some big games down the stretch.
by Wayne Nordhagen on Jul 12, 2010 12:04 PM CDT reply actions
I've heard of far worse ideas than this one.
"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox
Why didn't Hudson get the win last game?
Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 12, 2010 2:24 PM CDT reply actions
4 2/3 i thought
Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok
The White Sox finally killed Harvey Pekar.
At least he’s with the Empire Carpet guy now.
by The Actual El Guapo on Jul 12, 2010 2:31 PM CDT reply actions
You're thinking of the cartoon version of Lena Horne.
by The Actual El Guapo on Jul 12, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Sox are 9-1 in the Last 10 column
first time since 6/27/10
His name is Rios and he dances on the sand
by Nordhagen on Jul 12, 2010 4:02 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
That's a great stat.
"I'm tired, I've got a headache, my bullpen blew it." -South Side Expat
by Teahenny Penny on Jul 12, 2010 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I have U verse
What are some of you doing that also have it? Any word that they will show the episodes online?
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Unless some kind soul will upload it on YouTube or Megavideo, I'll just watch clips from mlb.com
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 12, 2010 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions
im sure itll be all over torrent websites
Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok
im getting pissed that hey're about to drop AMC
with mad men right around the corner. those assholes. they better get it fixed before breaking bad comes back.
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by boyonthedock on Jul 12, 2010 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions
direct tv has it
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Nice read from JJ
Tigers and Twins likely to regress
link
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
i don't understand this article.
he says morneau isn’t likely to regress, either. if you’re looking at the prime candidate on the twins’ offense to regress, there’s your man. he ain’t going to post a .450 wOBA the rest of the season.
I dont think he was focusing on positive regression (Mauer)
but yeah Morneau should regress.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
I wonder if he knows that the math version of "regress" has a different def than the common def.
Mauer is a prime candidate to regress back to being a better hitter.
it seems he does
at the end of the article, he mentions that beckham and AJ will regress positively
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by boyonthedock on Jul 12, 2010 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions
i shouldn't have to read all the way to the end to see terms used properly
because i’m not going to do that. i am going to think the writer doesn’t know what they’re talking about.
I don't buy the power spike from last year though
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Very interesting
Wonder which Sox he’s going to have on the regress downward list tomorrow.
Konerko? Buehrle? Putz? Oh right, it’s gotta be Freddy…
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.
by NorthSidePaulie on Jul 12, 2010 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
How much for Jayson Werth?
Werth is rumored to be available with Domonic Brown waiting in the wings. Phils can’t pay him this offseason and sitting in 3rd place in the East and tied with 3 teams for 5th in the wild card, theymight want to get something for him before he walks. You know Kenny will do something, and it could be big. You figure Fielder will cost too much, plus he plays a position where we’re pretty solid. For Werth, you’d probably have to start with Hudson, Flowers, Viciedo or 2 of those 3, and add a couple mid-level prospects
If we have the prospects to do it, would anyone be opposed to adding this year’s version of Alex Rios (except he’s having a good season and his contract is up) to this middle of the lineup? He’s not a “power lefty bat” but acquiring him would accomplish 3 things we really need: 1) Add a consistent power bat/ on-base threat to the lineup. 2) move Q! to DH semi-permanently, hopefully keeping him healthy. 3) Improve our OF defense.
LF Pierre
3B Vizquel
CF Rios
1B Konerko
DH Quentin
RF Werth
C Pierzynski
SS Ramirez
2B Beckham
Viciedo plays a couple times a week at 3B, spells Konerko at 1B, DH’s when he must. Andruw’s PT probably takes a hit and so does Kotsay’s, mercifully. One of them would probably have to go. When Teahen comes back, you probably send Lil Brent down and have a lefty bat off the bench.
That’s a really right-handed team (especially 3-4-5-6) which could be a problem, but with that lineup I’d be willing to worry about that problem later.
I have no idea why the Phils would be sellers though
They’re still in the hunt as far as I can tell and are built to “win now” with the huge Howard contract (among others).
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.
by NorthSidePaulie on Jul 13, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Technically, they wouldn't be "sellers" in the true sense of the word.
Brown would come up and play RF. They wouldn’t lose too much and could still compete. Plus maybe they’d free up some cash to go after a reliever or a starter.
yes please!
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
by blackoutsox on Jul 12, 2010 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Kenny will break out the quarter talk again
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you should stick around more often
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thanks
I’ll try
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I would not give up that much for a rental but I love the idea of adding werth during the off season while giving up cash only.
I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok
Throw in Teahen
can play RF for the Phils
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by NorthSidePaulie on Jul 13, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
No way in hell Werth is going to cost that much with the amount of money still owed to him
I’ll admit that I’m not the most educated person in the world on the subject, but take a look over at beyond the boxscore and their analysis of the Lee trades to get an idea of fair trade value.
If I have some time today, I may take my own advice and report back.
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
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