Joe Po: Story of an Argument Gone Wrong
Now, Matt Thornton is a very good middle reliever. No, he’s more than that — I don’t want anyone to miss the point again. He’s an excellent middle reliever. I’ve seen him pitch a lot, and I really like his game. He is the guy White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen will bring into the game in the seventh or eighth inning when his team needs an out (something the ninth too), especially when there’s a left-handed batter coming up, and double-especially when the team needs a strikeout. Thornton knows how to deliver the K. He and J.J. Putz and Bobby Jenks have been a big part of the White Sox stunning success this year.
But, I’m not going to lie to you: I don’t really want to see Matt Thornton pitch in a high-leverage situation in the All-Star game. Why? Because Matt Thornton is about the fourth or fifth most valuable pitcher on the Chicago White Sox. He is simply not as important or valuable as the starters. He has thrown 37 innings all year. He might be the best middle reliever in baseball — a tenuous title, to say the least* — but even if that’s true that makes him about the 27th or so most valuable pitcher in his own league.
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Saw those comments coming
But from Jo Po? Wow.
"Yes, I am impatient. Yes, I am frustrated. But yes, I still do remain confident that this team is the team that can still challenge for the division championship and hopefully beyond. We've got a lot of good pieces, we just need to all come together and we'll be just fine."
- Kenny Williams
This is not a surprise
There are plenty of folks who feel relievers in general are just not that valuable (even the best). More than a few think only a couple should ever be in the Hall of Fame.
The problem is Joe we are not talking about season long value. We are talking about a specific situation at a given moment. And I’d take Thorton in my foxhole anyday of the week.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
this what?
There are a number of players one might prefer. I’d still take Matt but there are a number of starters I’d take instead if they could throw all out. Hell Wainwright looked filthy with his grade A stuff.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
loved that get me over 2-0 fastball with a foot of movement
just filthy
This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training
that's the point, tdogg.
thornton was on the team. liriano was not. other pitchers better than thornton were not. if you’re trying to win a baseball game and can choose any players in your league to put on that team, you would not put thornton on that team.
ahhhh I missed it
Okay I get it now. I still would rather have Thornton for one inning over Liriano but the point in general yes I agree.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Sox bias
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
that's fine.
felix hernandez then. i chose liriano because he was left-handed and one could make an argument for balancing a staff for a single game based on handedness.
okay you win
yeah I’d take King Felix!
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
I'd put in this guy!
Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 14, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
whatever happened to mr zero
is he back, knee deep in the rice paddys with trey hillman
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by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 14, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
racist?
stereotyper yes, racist no…i hate everyone equally
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by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 14, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok. Then I'll get in on the fun.
After a failed attempt at Hara-Kiri following his failure at American baseball, he invested his American dollars into a nail salon empire in Seattle. He is currently in jail for fondling hot and bothered schoolgirls and spends his time on calligraphy, martial arts and sudoku.
I hate sudoku.
Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 15, 2010 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions
wu luvs it
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by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 15, 2010 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i know you as a bigot
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 14, 2010 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions
you dont know shit
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by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 15, 2010 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions
i miss those hats
Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok
the 2006 spring training hats?
you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM
yeah, they were pretty awesome
i remember buying it and thinking “we’re gonna win this shit again”
Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok
Dong? Isn't that what they play when BA comes in from the 'pen?
"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox
He should never have started throwing exclusively from his neck.
That, more than anything else really, led to his downfall.
by The Actual El Guapo on Jul 14, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Liriano just had his arm reattached a couple years ago
If Girardi brought him into the game in the middle of an inning with a brief warmup MN would’ve been furious. He brought in Thornton because he’s accustomed to warming up quickly. The guy is just arguing for the sake of arguing.
I am become Q! Destroyer of Worlds
by ChicagoPete on Jul 14, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
if i have a full complement of pitchers available to me
which one does at an all-star game, there is little reason to not have a pitcher always warm and available to come in.
and after Thornton was leaving stuff up too
bringing him in was ok, but he should have yanked him after the walk.
you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM
Can't say I disagree with any of that, as much as I love me some Thornton
IMO they need to either make the ASG an exhibiton or a real game. One or the other, oil and water don’t mix!
This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training
by Jack M on Jul 14, 2010 9:50 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed.
Either let the people pick and make it not matter, or let the managers pick and make it a real game.
Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 14, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
maybe let the fans still pick some players if they want
but when girardi had one guy on his bench in the late game it was just like wtf. the idea that everyone has to play doesn’t belong in a competitive game.
This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training
Unless you define 'competitive game' as little league.
Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 14, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
yah yah.. just wait til you are coaching little rwshow
and you have 10 moms pissed off at you for not playing little tony…..
Kenwo4life=ratings
wouldnt only one mom be mad about that?
you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM
by e-gus on Jul 14, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Not at all..
Mom’s get pissed off in groups. If one is pissed off, you can be sure 5 others are too.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 14, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
That's a fact. Group hug turns into group blood in dorms, barracks.
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— Dorothy Parker
same cycle or chicken pox party?
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by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 14, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
you must have coached kids.....
the moms are more ruthless than some of our game threads.
Kenwo4life=ratings
That they are
It’s unbelievable.
7 inning little league game, your kid played 4 innings, there’s 15 kids on the team, and they are still bitching about playtime.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 14, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
imo, you shouldnt coach your own kid
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by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 14, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
well i can see that..... but if you know baseball
are you going to leave the neighborhood dad down the street coach the team when you know you can do a better job? Some of the coaches are a joke. No drills…. just pitch batting practice to one kid at a time while the rest of the kids stand (or sit) in the outfield picking their noses.
Its a tough decision. I coached my brothers team for years….. id like to say i won’t coach my son… but I am pretty sure i probably will. at least when he gets to be like 9 or 10.
Kenwo4life=ratings
i've had a couple of awful coaches in my playing days.
guys who actually taught bad habits and poor technique.
i’d tell my dad and he’d tell me to listen to them and then do it the right way.
it sucks. 9 or 10 yrs old and you’re already dealing with bullshit.
i don’t know what the best answer is. i’ll prolly just start them in traveling ball early, like my bros did.
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by MarketMaker on Jul 14, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
gotta watch out for the traveling teams now a days too
there are so many of them that it is kind of watered down too.
Kenwo4life=ratings
it's only gotten worse because of travel
a given town only has so many parents who really care about the game. once they’re off on the travel team, the local teams turn completely into Everybody Wins shitfests. and those kids, athletic or not, end up totally uninterested in baseball.
Fireworks: Bang?
yah the everybody wins thing is ridiculous.
thats when the females got too much control. it happened around 1995. they need to stick to soccer and let the men handle baseball.
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 14, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
this
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by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 14, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
i wish
there are an insane number of dads who have no fucking clue how to play or coach baseball. i’ve seen dads who lead with the wrong foot when throwing* trying to tell 8-9 year olds which base to cover.
*this is my aforementioned definition for “throws like a girl”
Fireworks: Bang?
lol yeah i get that....
there were always shitty managers who had shitty teams… but at least the competitive dads wanted to win. Now everybody gets a turn at every position and they don’t keep score… its a big puss fest. haha
Kenwo4life=ratings
a lot of dads don't even want to win now
there are plenty of Gen X deep left fielders with kids these days.
Fireworks: Bang?
Is it really an “Everybody Wins” problem though? I don’t know if the cross-sport comparison holds up under close scrutiny, but recently in the NYT there was a rather comprehensive article dissecting Ajax’s youth system in Amsterdam. The comparison to how the US develops youth players eventually came up, and the criticisms for Europeans seemed to be that the US is — at early ages — too focused on winning. In other words, the US should be focused on things that, although may come at the expense of winning, are more important to the individual’s long-term development, like really learning first-touches, passing and dribbling. IIRC, they posited that US youth players are playing too many games and not practicing enough.
That being said, the “everybody wins” stuff is definitely over the top. It’s sickening because it’s done under the “won’t somebody PLEASE think of the children?” guise. I don’t think I could’ve seriously participated in a league where losing meant being “second winners”, or whatever bullshit euphemism. God damn liberals.
I knew somebody
would eventually blame the liberals for this. lol.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
i read that article
the contrast is between our travel sports and the ajax facility. and i don’t know if prefer ajax, but i know that something is definitely wrong with our travel sports. kids with single game 200 pitch counts ftw.
Fireworks: Bang?
They're still young, they clearly have rubber arms and can handle it
plus, they heal quicker. Just imagine what taking HGH will do for a 10 year old. We could have him pitch every game!!
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
My kids are 7 & 6
I whoop there ass in the Wii or the time. Man up! Life is hard. You have to block better honey or I will continue to break your RB in two. Progress this month 110-0 is now 90-8.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
by Tdogg on Jul 14, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
When they become crackheads
we know where to look.
You will look at my bicep and you will see a 20-inch bicep and you will say "Wow, look what this training has done" - that's the obvious. The harder you work, the more you gain, there's no shortcut, and that each time you fail, that you just got to get up and try again. (Arnold Schwartzenegger)
[Clears throat nervously; tries to look inconspicuous]
by The Actual El Guapo on Jul 14, 2010 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
hahaha.
did your parents buy you a plastic glove?
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sheets
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— Dorothy Parker
Those were made of rubber, I believe.
“Moisture resistant” … yeah right.
by The Actual El Guapo on Jul 14, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
That I KNOW of
heh, heh …
by The Actual El Guapo on Jul 14, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
please let that be a birthday.
Fireworks: Bang?
by colintj on Jul 14, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
They don't keep score?
At what age level is that?
by Grinder in Training on Jul 14, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
It also goes the other way though
Plenty of kids quit playing sports altogether because of the travel leagues, a lot of 10-12 year old kids aren’t cut out for spending that much time on a sport.
And the parents are spending a ton of time and money to make it happen, so that can issues in the family too that can turn the kids off of playing.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 14, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
agreed both ways actually
the travel situation is pretty nuts. i don’t know how the parents do it. you can set the competitiveness of the league pretty easily. if your town is too small, get a couple others and make a real league.
Fireworks: Bang?
yeah, amongst the many problems with little league ball.
i remember my bros getting to have leadoffs and pickoffs at 9-10 and i was very jealous.
LL is just becoming a microcosm for society. everybody wins (everybody loses.)
here’s your participation trophy.
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by Teahenny Penny on Jul 14, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I don't think there is a best answer
A lot of kids aren’t even really cut out for traveling league, there were kids I’ve coached that I was afraid to even put on the field because I didn’t want them to get hurt.
And would you rather a kid be on the bench on a traveling team vs. getting regular play time with the local league? I’m of course just talking in general here, not suggesting your kids aren’t cut out for it.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 14, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, i think you have to gauge your kids' interest and talent.
the flip side to colin’s point is that so many leagues means there’s a lot of choices.
there’s still in-town and highly competitive traveling, but there’s also a lot in between now.
obviously, money is an issue for a lot of people too. spending a few k on kids baseball each year isn’t an option for many. it’s really kinda crazy to even think about, but that’s the reality.
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I say screw it, the little jerks are going to eventually blame you for all of their problems and mishaps through life
They’ll get nothing and like it!
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
adam carolla has a hilarious theory on how to raise children.
do nothing. completely mail it in.
there’s like a 90% chance your kid is gonna be a complete loser.
if he is a loser, you didn’t waste your time on him.
if he isn’t, well that’s good for him.
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problem is the losers are the ones having all the kids (who will become losers and so on)
see Mike Judge’s Idiocracy for exploration of how that’s gonna work out.
Hilarious, but almost too plausible.
His name is Rios and he dances on the sand
that ain't changing. animals like to fuck, too.
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only dolphins
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
I read somewhere that dolphins were one of the few animals that have sex for pleasure
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
I read that too
I think it was on one of the random Yahoo! Answers I was searching to help me answer a question on a test.
RIP Bob Probert
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by chisoxfan1473 on Jul 14, 2010 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Bonobos too
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.
by NorthSidePaulie on Jul 14, 2010 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions
!
I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok
by mick10 on Jul 14, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
yes that
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
i think that is what jopos means by
AWESOME
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by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 14, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions
From your vault,
yet quite appropriately green.
You will look at my bicep and you will see a 20-inch bicep and you will say "Wow, look what this training has done" - that's the obvious. The harder you work, the more you gain, there's no shortcut, and that each time you fail, that you just got to get up and try again. (Arnold Schwartzenegger)
you googled "dolphin fucking"
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 14, 2010 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd agree with that
If you can handle the stress of it, and do it right, that’s great, but I’d avoid it if I could.
Just really in a tough spot though if your own kid is on the team. No one wants you to play favorites, but it’s just as bad if you go out of your way to the point that he’s getting the short end of the stick. On the other hand, it’s better than your kid getting stuck with a bad coach.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 14, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
yah its a loose loose situation
you either take matters in your own hand, and suffer the brunt of riticule, or you do the hard thing and step to the side.
i held mine back from t-ball this year and am working with him one on one with playing catch, minor fundamentals, and hitting off the tee. this winter/spring i plan on springing for a couple sessions with someone for more fundamentals, then coach pitch next year, but i refuse to be the coach on that team…maybe an assistant and work more with the other kids then him?
grinder/kenwo you guys have some great input for me to ponder, mm i like what your dad says, “listen to the coach, then do it right”
im still pissed that the stork lost the manual for the lil shit while enroute to the hospital
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by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 14, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
tp's mom is a loose loose situation
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Jul 14, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
ha, thanx for the correction and correlation
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by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 14, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Unbelievable.
"I'm tired, I've got a headache, my bullpen blew it." -South Side Expat
by Teahenny Penny on Jul 14, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't believe I still come here.
"I'm tired, I've got a headache, my bullpen blew it." -South Side Expat
by Teahenny Penny on Jul 14, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
twss?
This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training
*twisttpm
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Jul 14, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
*twtskswsbctjsaha
That’s what that thatshortkid said while sitting behind colintj staring at his ass.
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by Teahenny Penny on Jul 14, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
somewhere in iowa, boejouma cackles maniacally
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Jul 14, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
t ball is ridiculous
the kids don’t get good enough for it to matter whether or not they play til about age 10 or so.
Fireworks: Bang?
when i was 7...
the league was for 7-10 year olds. (the next year they switched it to 7-9)… but that was a big fucking difference. I think if you survived the being scared at a big kid throwing gas.. it made you a better player in the long run. but that first year sucked. lol
Kenwo4life=ratings
for me it was even worse
Our league was 7-12 because there werent enough kids.
Facing down a 12 year olds fastball at 8 years old was scary stuff.
Of course at the end of the year our 9-10 year old tournament teams were always real strong because of it.
you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM
sounds creepy
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 14, 2010 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Markham Boys League
on the same field that Denny McLain learned his fastball.
you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM
THE Denny McLain?
Awesome.
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
i had to play in a lot of majors games (11-12)
when i was 9. that was brutal. i was terrified. i can’t imagine being any younger.
though you’re right about how much different your own age seems when you come back.
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you were terrified of a fucking 12 year old?
choke up and sit dead red.
I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok
you're damn right i was.
i still got in the box, but i was 9 yrs old.
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I was short enough
that I could squat down and draw the walk against the 12 year olds with the good heat.
you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM
some of those 12 year olds were terrifying
because they were wild as fuck…I got hit in the calf by one of those fuckers when I was 10…my WHOLE calf was black and blue…I wanted to charge the mound but I couldn’t walk
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Jul 14, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
i agree
but the tee itself is the greatest invention sinced slice bread…ever throw a couple hundred pitches for only a few hits, having to collect all the balls in about a third as many pitches…fuck that
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by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 14, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
That's it, I'm buying that Fred McGriff fundamentals DVD now...
…so that I have plenty of time to brush up in the event I ever become a coach.
Combine the DVD with my copy of “The Book” and I’ll have this shit locked down.
That way, you a-holes won’t be able to bitch at me about being a shitty coach. ;)
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
You Can Teach Hitting by Dusty Baker
was my favorite book as a kid. Really helped me throughout my amateur baseball career. AND I’m not even kidding. Also my Dad bought me The Science of hitting by Ted Williams. Both great resources.
mostly, you just have to have a thick hide
it also helps to demonstrate you’re not an idiot. if they think you’re an idiot, they’ll think you play favorites with your kid.
Fireworks: Bang?
The All Star Game is mistake on top of mistake on top of mistake
The tie game in 2002 is a footnote. Most people (even baseball fans) don’t know the first thing about the All Star Game 8 years ago. They ran out of pitchers, and I’m sure the fans would be even more pissed if their pitchers returned with unnecessary miles on their arms.
If the games do count, then take fan voting (an ancient concept) out of the equation. Let the managers pick the rosters.
It’s either a real game, or a popularity contest. Can’t be both.
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
by 67WMAQ on Jul 14, 2010 10:13 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Do you really trust the goofy ass managers?
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
I don't trust anybody
They all have some sort of bias. It just shouldn’t count is all.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
actually the all-stars added after the fan vote are the ones i liked the least
you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM
they seem to be awfully political
which is why fan voting is nice. anonymous player voting would be the best. means the most to the players and there’s not much incentive to play favorites.
Fireworks: Bang?
that's because the managers have to add a player from every time not yet represented
so you have your Ty Wiggintons and your Gil Meches added on to the roster…
if you want something fixed on this ASG selections start with the “every team needs a representative” crap
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Jul 14, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
time = team
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Jul 14, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
well I like it
otherwise we would see the yankees/redsox v. the phillies the last few years
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
then put a limit for one team but the redsox/yankees usually have the better players
and I don’t care how many yankees or red sox are on a AS roster as long as this ASG counts for home field advantage
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Jul 14, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I mean put a limit on the amount of players that one team can have at the ASG
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Jul 14, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Moreso than the 12 year old with the Fathead who votes for Big Papi 10 million times because "he rules."
I was working in Milwaukee the night of the 2002 All Star Game. Spent the next several weeks sifting through press releases from guys who wanted to start baseball fan boycotts (they lost interest as soon as they found out the TV stations weren’t calling).
The whole thing was stupid.
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
Some might argue Dusty Baker is not that far off
lol.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Yeah but then it'd be hilarious.
And not so much sad and frustrating.
Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 14, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Thornton
Matt has been a pretty good pitcher for us, however I have noticed a tendency for him to get to 0-2, or 1-2 and then start to nibble and get to 3-2. This is when he gets hit or walks people.
Maybe it was my imagination
but Matty looked sweatier than Freddy. He was amped. No Easy Heat last night.
You will look at my bicep and you will see a 20-inch bicep and you will say "Wow, look what this training has done" - that's the obvious. The harder you work, the more you gain, there's no shortcut, and that each time you fail, that you just got to get up and try again. (Arnold Schwartzenegger)
by winningugly on Jul 14, 2010 10:30 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah he looked unusually tensed and sweaty
Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 14, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
i would have rather had danks in the game myself.
or gavin. or freddy. this guy is spot on… and I appreciate everything thornton has done but for god sakes he’s not even the best middle reliever on the Sox this year.
Kenwo4life=ratings
An SP is a horse of a different color though
A. They are not used to warming up quickly to relieve someone else’s high leverage situation
B. You will catch so much more shit from the owning team throwing an SP into that situation than you would throwing a guy who has faced the same situation already dozens of times this year and usually prevailed.
I would have gone with Thornton in that situation too and nine times out of ten, would have gotten different results.
"Yes, I am impatient. Yes, I am frustrated. But yes, I still do remain confident that this team is the team that can still challenge for the division championship and hopefully beyond. We've got a lot of good pieces, we just need to all come together and we'll be just fine."
- Kenny Williams
i think that is all overblown.
everyone knew Hughes was only going to go one inning so I’m sure whoever was coming in next would have been warm anyway. Its not like all of a sudden Hughes struggled after pitching 4 solid innings or something.
Kenwo4life=ratings
why do you need to have a pitcher warm up quickly.
there was an entire bullpen full of a pitchers. in such a circumstance, there is no reason to not have a pitcher always warm – particularly later on in the game.
You still have the experience issue with coming in to relieve a guy in high leverage
I’ll go with the guy who has handled it many times with great success. I also didn’t see the bevy pf pitchers in the bullpen warming up. They were watching the game like a normal bullpen.
"Yes, I am impatient. Yes, I am frustrated. But yes, I still do remain confident that this team is the team that can still challenge for the division championship and hopefully beyond. We've got a lot of good pieces, we just need to all come together and we'll be just fine."
- Kenny Williams
frankly, i think it's pretty silly to assert that a pitcher of the caliber we're discussing here can't handle pitching in a high leverage situation.
and it’s kind of the whole point that the managers in these games aren’t playing to win.
Not that they can't, that they don't. They don't have the experience relievers do.
RP has become a specialized position. The bullpen isn’t just for washed up starters and kids waiting their turn now.
"Yes, I am impatient. Yes, I am frustrated. But yes, I still do remain confident that this team is the team that can still challenge for the division championship and hopefully beyond. We've got a lot of good pieces, we just need to all come together and we'll be just fine."
- Kenny Williams
experience with what.
getting batters out? you’re suggesting that these guys are mentally soft or something. they get out of jams all the time.
There is plenty of ink that has been spilled about how closing requires a completely different mentality
I bet I can find one from Jo Po. High leverage middle relief shouldn’t be that far off. It’s why we have 7th and 8th inning specialists now.
"Yes, I am impatient. Yes, I am frustrated. But yes, I still do remain confident that this team is the team that can still challenge for the division championship and hopefully beyond. We've got a lot of good pieces, we just need to all come together and we'll be just fine."
- Kenny Williams
has anyone proven this closer's mentality talk?
Cashing checks and having sex. Also doing some light medical diagnoses.
Pat Robertson.
Jesus could seriously close.
"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox
Prove, no. It's hard to prove a mentality.
I just finished reading all kinds of articles on the difference and some stat-heads use splits in save vs. non save situations to say there is a mentality factor (Eric Gagne’s was quite a significant split) but there were plenty of others who used a tango formula to point out how much better starters pitched as they went to the bullpen implying it is an easier role, not requiring any special mentality. I didn’t find any of the data or arguments particularly conclusive, but how do you prove ideas such as momentum and mentality that GMs all speak about but Sabrmetric advocates call hogwash. I played but not nearly to high enough level to speak authoritavely from experience, and I’m no statistician either. Still, I say there is a reason the bullpen went from a collection of the has beens and never will be’s to a bunch of specialists and never will be’s. Managers go on all the time about the importance of a good bullpen now and having the arms to shut down close games.
"Yes, I am impatient. Yes, I am frustrated. But yes, I still do remain confident that this team is the team that can still challenge for the division championship and hopefully beyond. We've got a lot of good pieces, we just need to all come together and we'll be just fine."
- Kenny Williams
to me, it's more about the discrepancy between skill versus mentality.
almost all the guys that have been said to not have the mentality simply don’t have the skill.
Cashing checks and having sex. Also doing some light medical diagnoses.
With Thornton though
Is it a question of skill, or of pitch selection that makes him a reliever? If he developed a cutter and a slider, would he be a starter or is he too valuable in relief as Yankee fans have argued about Joba Chamberlain?
"Yes, I am impatient. Yes, I am frustrated. But yes, I still do remain confident that this team is the team that can still challenge for the division championship and hopefully beyond. We've got a lot of good pieces, we just need to all come together and we'll be just fine."
- Kenny Williams
Then again, maybe it's his mentality.
"Yes, I am impatient. Yes, I am frustrated. But yes, I still do remain confident that this team is the team that can still challenge for the division championship and hopefully beyond. We've got a lot of good pieces, we just need to all come together and we'll be just fine."
- Kenny Williams
i'd think that repertoire, endurance, injury history...
these are the issues that can make a guy better in the bullpen.
anybody who has plenty of the first 2 and none of the 3rd can be way more valuable in the rotation.
Cashing checks and having sex. Also doing some light medical diagnoses.
In my mind closing is both
BUT if a pitcher has the skill and gets enough opportunities he will probably begin to excel in the role. Its just too easy for a resonable pitcher going all out to dominant for a short period of time.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
As someone has already stated
It’s the All Star Game. You know guys are only pitching about an inning so you have guys warming all the time.
What you are saying is...
The All-Star Manager should select 1 starter and the rest should be bullpen guys?
Mixed emotions on this. Stupid Bud for making the game count for something is #1...
- is for “roster construction” by idiots (fans, players, manager).
- is for in-game managerial decisions (no pinch runner for Ortiz? A-Rod still on bench?).
Yeah, I “get” that Thornton deserved the honor and as a Sox fan couldn’t be happier. But I also get Pos’ point that he shouldn’t have been there at all.
With inter-league play there’s almost no reason for the game at all. I’d say keep the “honor” of having an AS team, but skip the game completely.
"If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the people he gave it to."
— Dorothy Parker
1. 2. should be 2. 3.
sigh
"If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the people he gave it to."
— Dorothy Parker
I think he should be there
BUT, I am looking at it from an exhibition and representative standpoint. Relievers are part of the game. The best relievers should be represented for excellence in their roles.
Roster construction for one game that “counts” is a totally different animal.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
right on
Its quaint now with interleague, and TV “season passes.” It used to be a big deal to see Johnny Bench hit against Jim Palmer.
Get rid of the game.
His name is Rios and he dances on the sand
You want it gone?
Its still by far the best all star game.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
It is the best, but only because the other ASGs are a joke
His name is Rios and he dances on the sand
The point is it isn't needed. Any true fan can see any player at any time now.
"If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the people he gave it to."
— Dorothy Parker
I still love the all-star game.
but yeah it should either count and have teams picked accordingly or be an exhibition.
you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM
yeah I still like it
Just dont make it count.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
I also love the all star game.
something about it. I remember watching it with my old man as a kid and now my kid watched it with me… at least a little bit… those of you who want to ax it are fucking commies.
Kenwo4life=ratings
last night made me want to keep it...
jr is finally starting to settle down and watch the games and trying figure it all out…plus he was able to grasp that there are more then two teams in baseball that its not just the white sox and royals. finally, the little booger had me spitn beer out my nose when he was loosing interest but then perked up starteed running around yelling paul konerko, paul konerko, paul konerko when heard paul announced up to bat…its his pick to click every game.
not as memorable as the other games we’ve gone to, but most memorable televised game to date
Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 14, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
yep... same thing here
we were watching the intros and he was like “who are they” because he didn’t see the Sox symbol…. then konerko came on there and he said PAULIEEEEEEEE…. then he proceeded to ask me where Johnny Danks, Gavin Floyd, Gordon Beckham and Alex Rios are.
Kenwo4life=ratings
i wanted to tell him gordon beckham is hitting fucking 200
and fucking sucks this year…. but i figured it would be harsh to criticize one of “his guys” lol
Kenwo4life=ratings
ha
can you imagine if that was back in the day? pops wouldve back handed you and told you never to mention that bums name until his avg was back to being respectable.
Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 14, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Enjoy it while it lasts. Won't be long before he's picking out the hill to roll your wheelchair down into traffic.
"If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the people he gave it to."
— Dorothy Parker
by Chiburb on Jul 14, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
No wonder you moved
Ground is too flat here. Well played.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 14, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep, now the only tricky part is getting the old man here for a visit!
by homesickalien on Jul 14, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
you dont like coffee chiburb?
Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 14, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
it's a son. ken should be ok.
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Jul 14, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
yah, i was recently thinking about how time flies
and the future and seeing it all played out on the demented stage of my concience…
id be more worried about being put in an old folks home that wont let you take your blackberry or iphone, and only has a dial up connection if i were you.
Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 14, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
lmao
you would. ZZZZZZZZZZZ imo
"from the Chi, the city of hella haters, where we keep rising to the top like elevators. Hi haters I'm back off hiatus." - grammy family
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 14, 2010 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
unless i was playing in it
"from the Chi, the city of hella haters, where we keep rising to the top like elevators. Hi haters I'm back off hiatus." - grammy family
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 14, 2010 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I was talking with a co-worker today about determining home-field advantage.
He suggested a three point system, best of three gets the home-field:
1. ASG
2. Interleague play record, NL vs. AL with all teams included
3. Individual team records
While it may not be perfect it does put emphasis on every facet of the season’s play, which the owners and league will like, and still gives credit to the individual team. Definitely some pros and cons to this or any other approach.
This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training
whether its a real concern or not,
the league says they cant wait until the season ends to determine home field. They say there’s not enough time for logistical stuff to get arranged before the WS starts. Other leagues manage it, but I think MLB wants something decided sooner.
His name is Rios and he dances on the sand
oh good point, forgot about that
This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training
Then I'd suggest...
Rebalancing interleague play so that the strong teams (from previous year) play against their counterparts for the most part. Keep the “natural” rivalries (Cubs/Sox) but only for 1 series instead of 2, and then look at the totals: whichever league had the most wins gets the WS game 7.
Have an AS game or not, couldn’t care less.
"If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the people he gave it to."
— Dorothy Parker
I think all MLB teams should play all other MLB teams an equal - or as close to equal as possible - number of times each year.
Of course, then we have to finally resolve the DH fiasco – God forbid they do something like that.
"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox
Logistical stuff?
They don’t even know who the fucking participants are going to be until five or six days beforehand. That’s a crock.
"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox
Yeah
And NHL/NBA don’t even have the dates of each series until all of the previous series are finished. It’s bull.
RIP Bob Probert
I have witnessed the 2005 World Series championship, Mark Buehrle's perfect game, and the 2010 Chicago Blackhawks Stanley Cup championship in my lifetime.
by chisoxfan1473 on Jul 14, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
How the hell do these leagues function? I mean really, come on here people!!!!
;)
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
It should just be the interleague total records.
Simple and obvious answer.
Makes a lot more sense than using just one game of all stars that requires you take a player from every team and let’s the fans vote so the teams aren’t even a true collection of the best talent in the league.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 14, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Or lets the players vote based on RBI or BA.
But I agree with your point. See above.
"If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the people he gave it to."
— Dorothy Parker
to me though,
that raises the question of should a team like the White Sox be punished because the Royals got swept by the Giants? (or whatever other team losing / winning) should it be a league based decison or an individual team based decision?
i agree that it makes more sense than using the ASG though.
*assuming by total you meant entire league, not individual team
This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training
Well that's why it helps that there are so many games
Of course it’s not perfect, but it’s obviously much better than using the all star game.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 14, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
If its not a neutral site
Just use best regular season record. Simple. You win 100 games games during the season it means something. I don’t care about division, league differences.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Totally agree. Best regular season record.
Best interleague record as a tiebreaker, and if you need a third tiebreaker, in-division record or runs scored or something.
"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox
As long as schedules are unbalanced that doesn't seem reasonable to me.
You may not care about the division and league differences, but everyone else does and they are significant.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 14, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
So its more reasonable to give a 83 win Cardinal team (for example)
homefield advantage because the NL did better one year in interleague play? Please. No way is full proof. If we attach all relevant factors and associated correlation of having the best overall record most of things don’t matter as much as you think. Its simple. The best regular season team usually wins the most games. Not perfect I know but more than reasonable.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
I'd say it's more fair
If they were able to get through the tougher league’s playoffs to make the world series, I think that says something more than winning 100 games in a god awful division.
I’d definitely take your way over the current system though.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 14, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
See I get where you going with it.
But I don’t think it works out that way. Its not like the Red Sox, Yankees and Rays come in at 88 wins because they beat up on each other. Its more than enough games to overcompensate for it. A shorter schedule and its probably closer.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Well, yeah not 88 wins
But let’s say the Yanks win 94 games and the DRays win 91, but the Reds rack up 95 wins in a shitty NL Central. It’s safe to say the Yankees win at least a few more games playing in the NL.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 14, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
now lets trade him for two bats
lol
Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 14, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I wonder how Obama would pronounce his name.
"I'm tired, I've got a headache, my bullpen blew it." -South Side Expat
by Teahenny Penny on Jul 14, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Cominskey.
You will look at my bicep and you will see a 20-inch bicep and you will say "Wow, look what this training has done" - that's the obvious. The harder you work, the more you gain, there's no shortcut, and that each time you fail, that you just got to get up and try again. (Arnold Schwartzenegger)
by winningugly on Jul 14, 2010 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Weese.
"I'm tired, I've got a headache, my bullpen blew it." -South Side Expat
by Teahenny Penny on Jul 14, 2010 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL.
You will look at my bicep and you will see a 20-inch bicep and you will say "Wow, look what this training has done" - that's the obvious. The harder you work, the more you gain, there's no shortcut, and that each time you fail, that you just got to get up and try again. (Arnold Schwartzenegger)
I'll be shocked if anyone remembers this a week from now.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 14, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
i also remember roberto hernandez almost ended cal ripkens streak
when he fell off the team picture stage and broke the iron man’s nose. lol
Kenwo4life=ratings
I couldnt out-remember you on the remembering-est day of my life, even if I had an electric remembering machine
His name is Rios and he dances on the sand
well I fill my memory with random baseball shit
and not stuff like movies/actors/actresses….. my wife couldn’t believe i didn’t recognize any of the movie stars except ben affleck during the pregame.
Kenwo4life=ratings
you need to smoke more pot
Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 14, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Nail on the head.
I will remember nothing else about Dan Ugla’s career.
Although, I feel asleep at 9:30, because the ASG blows. Everybody’s talkin’ ‘bout the blown game, Matt’s name, he’s still Easy Heat to me.
Your never gonna get a second chanse to make a first impression.
-Mr. Hulk Hogan
No one remebered Uggla this year, did they.
You will look at my bicep and you will see a 20-inch bicep and you will say "Wow, look what this training has done" - that's the obvious. The harder you work, the more you gain, there's no shortcut, and that each time you fail, that you just got to get up and try again. (Arnold Schwartzenegger)
Idaman.
You will look at my bicep and you will see a 20-inch bicep and you will say "Wow, look what this training has done" - that's the obvious. The harder you work, the more you gain, there's no shortcut, and that each time you fail, that you just got to get up and try again. (Arnold Schwartzenegger)
He soley remembers their boners.
"...a mouth without grinders is like a mill without grindstone,"
-Don Quixote
by SkanchoDanza on Jul 14, 2010 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
Says the Pickle Man.
You will look at my bicep and you will see a 20-inch bicep and you will say "Wow, look what this training has done" - that's the obvious. The harder you work, the more you gain, there's no shortcut, and that each time you fail, that you just got to get up and try again. (Arnold Schwartzenegger)
Funny thread
When we got this guy in 06 it was argued and agreed by all but 1 person on this site that he was
a bust
awful
terrible
a gift to the Mariners for taking him off their hands.
Awful Matt Thorton. The worst pitcher to pick up a baseball.
Funny.
Comonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn You White Sox!
this what you're referring to?
White Sox trade Borchard, add to their collection of useless lefties
Cashing checks and having sex. Also doing some light medical diagnoses.
Consider it done
If Don Cooper manages to fix this bum and help him find the strike zone, he will be up there with Leo Mazzone.
by SSH2005 on Mar 20, 2006 6:05 PM EST reply actions
by Grinder in Training on Jul 14, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
was just going to post a different SSH gem:
This Thornton chump was on Kenny’s radar for 2 years?!?
Fireworks: Bang?
That's hilarious Cheat.
Oops.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
20/20
I’m really confused as to why they felt the need to make this trade today. Why pick up a guy who resembles the scrap heap of lefties you’ve already sent down this spring? Why not try to pick up a guy who can actually find the strikezone, regardless of handedness? Why settle?
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
This is too much fun. Thank goodness I don't have an opinion on anything (right)
The difference is Thornton is bound to be used in key situations, with disastrous results.
The only “key situation” Borchard is going to be involved in is when he’s waiting for the locksmith to come by after he locks his keys in his car.
AIM: SouthSideCheat
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Better.. From the same guy who wanted to trade Lopez for Danks
There’s almost no way to not like this move, in my opinion. Thornton was, and still is, essentially useless. Yes, he throws 95, but big whoop-de-doo. He’s basically pitched well as a pro for all of one season, back in A-ball, pre surgery, and been mediocre to bad the rest of his career. He throws straight, without command, and has no real secondary pitches to speak of. He doesn’t hide the ball well, and hitters tee off on his hittable fastball, especially when they’re sitting on it 2-0. He didn’t deserve to be on the team last year, and he certainly didn’t deserve to be on the team this year. Removing him from the roster almost certainly guarantees George Sherrill a spot on the team, and he’s a vastly superior pitcher who was squeezed off the team by Thornton’s presence last year. Simply removing Thornton from the equation is a net positive.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 14, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
it never occured to me how Seattle fans would react to a good Thornton now
VINTAGE MATT THORNTON.
by kevin_ess on Jul 13, 2010 9:57 PM CDT on 7/13: Open All-Star Game Thread
For once the Yankees won’t have home field advantage!
Matt Thornton’d
by Slurvey on Jul 13, 2010 9:57 PM CDT on 7/13: Open All-Star Game Thread
HAHAHAHAHAHA SCREW YOU MATT THORNTON
by Corco on Jul 13, 2010 9:56 PM CDT on 7/13: Open All-Star Game Thread
Fuck Matt Thornton.
by Double06 on Jul 13, 2010 9:55 PM CDT on 7/13: Open All-Star Game Thread
Thornton looks gross,
by Eyebrows on Jul 13, 2010 9:51 PM CDT on 7/13: Open All-Star Game Thread
Matt Thornton pitching in a high leverage situation at the all-star game.
by Slurvey on Jul 13, 2010 9:49 PM CDT on 7/13: Open All-Star Game Thread
FUCK YOU MATT THORNTON.
by kevin_ess on Jul 13, 2010 9:48 PM CDT on 7/13: Open All-Star Game Thread
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
It's crazy, they hate him more than we hate Nick Swisher.
FNS
by Grinder in Training on Jul 14, 2010 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
At least Nick was putz.
But hating a guy because a team helped him realize some talent?
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
it's just a lot more fun
to hate the player. FNS could be the margin we lose the Central by this season and i bet FKW doesn’t become a slogan either way.
Fireworks: Bang?
fun?
perhaps easier. no one would know what you’re talking about if you bitched about rafael chaves or bryan price.
who?
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
I do still have nightmares of the grand slam
Thornton gave up in Tampa last year……
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
that was an unusually large burp for him
but if he can rebound from that, hell rebound from this
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
FS.
I hope Matt Thornton shuts them down while he’s in town next week.
by homesickalien on Jul 14, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Well.. it's the Mariners
Could just be complete games from the starters. If he doesn’t touch the field it could be hard to shut them down.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 14, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I witnessed the Mariners win 4/6 against the Sox in Seattle last year. And should've been 5/6 if not for Alexei's 3-run blast.
Nothing is a given.
by homesickalien on Jul 14, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Was that where Pods got picked off third
as the lead run I wanna say?
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.
by NorthSidePaulie on Jul 14, 2010 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions
in the 10th inning!
Never forget!
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Jul 14, 2010 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Auschwitz or Pods getting picked off.
Hmmm. Tough choice.
You will look at my bicep and you will see a 20-inch bicep and you will say "Wow, look what this training has done" - that's the obvious. The harder you work, the more you gain, there's no shortcut, and that each time you fail, that you just got to get up and try again. (Arnold Schwartzenegger)
lol this is pretty funny.
makes my “we can’t have gavin floyd and john danks in the same rotation” comment in 2008 look better.
Kenwo4life=ratings
that's quite the dedication to a sig you've got going
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Jul 14, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
White Sox sign Jeremy Reed
Per MLB Trade Rumors. Will be assigned to Charlotte.
You can go home again.
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
you know the drill.
Cashing checks and having sex. Also doing some light medical diagnoses.
by MarketMaker on Jul 14, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, he knows he won't be traded for Freddy Garcia
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
Not this season at least
RIP Bob Probert
I have witnessed the 2005 World Series championship, Mark Buehrle's perfect game, and the 2010 Chicago Blackhawks Stanley Cup championship in my lifetime.
by chisoxfan1473 on Jul 14, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
he's gonna be packaged with garcia back to seattle for figgins and kotchman.
and the circle of life is complete.
Cashing checks and having sex. Also doing some light medical diagnoses.
And Orlando Hudson
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
does he have a kid?
Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 14, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I remember being excited about Reed
I was dumb.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 14, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I also was excited about Reed.
So we were both dumb.
(In case your misery needed company)
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
Chicago White Sox: Nothing left
Chicago went from potential seller to buyer by landing in first place at the break thanks to a 25-5 run to close out the first half; but if you believe in the White Sox, you believe in this team as it stands right now.
The White Sox had a bad system entering the year and it’s gotten worse due to some poor performances. Most notably, catcher Tyler Flowers is hitting just .198 since May 1 and, according to scouts, he’s making no progress in his well-below-average defense behind the plate; some talent evaluators have said he’s actually gotten worse.
One player who has taken a step forward while generating considerable interest from other teams is Brent Morel, but his availability depends on the White Sox making some difficult long-term decisions. With Paul Konerko and Dayan Viciedo already big-league corner infielders, Morel is the odd man out. Two months ago, moving Konerko seemed logical; now, that’s out of the question because of the White Sox’s contending status. A 2011 timetable for Morel is reasonable, but that’s only assuming Konerko departs via free agency this winter.
A third-round pick in 2008, Morel isn’t the next big thing, but he’s nearly universally seen as a solid everyday third baseman down the road. Hitting .311/.356/.431 between Double- and Triple-A, Morel is more of an average/doubles hitter than a pure power threat. Scouts also love his max-effort style on defense. The White Sox envision a future with Viciedo at first with Morel manning the hot corner, but Morel could be the only player who could garner something important down the stretch.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=11472
geoff blum!
god damn that was a wonderful moment he provided. it was about the equivalent of getting your knob slobbed by Kim, Khloe and Kourtney Kardashian in a triple header…. literally.
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 14, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i'd go for the double header, and kicked out the one that has the adams apple.
"from the Chi, the city of hella haters, where we keep rising to the top like elevators. Hi haters I'm back off hiatus." - grammy family
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 14, 2010 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I still believe in TFlow
He’ll show them all!
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
I think he may have Jamie Burke'itis,
I dont have many expectations from Flowers any more
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
And right after he got over his Chester A Arthuritis
by joewho112 on Jul 14, 2010 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow.
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 15, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
max effot style?
oh god hes grindy, we’re doomed
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
what happened to 'his bat is back now that he has his old hitting approach back'?
you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM
Minors
I think the Reed signing was for depth only. Morel might be part of a deadline deal, since Viciedo’s been playing very well.
ok because i am bored im going to throw something out there that has been thrown already....
but I kind of think it would be a good idea. Obviously the Cubs need to trade Zambrano. I think he might be a solid addition given the move to the right side of the city, his good relationship with ozzie and the fact that he only has to be better than Hudson…… Given the fact that they are in dire straits to trade him they will eat a ton of salary and we won’t have to give up much to get him. It could be a disaster but I am willing to take the chance.
am i high?
Kenwo4life=ratings
and Kotsay
"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe
No, but I don't see it working out
I don’t think the Cubs eat salary and give him to a cross town team. If Cooper fixes him, Hendry just signed his, their pitching coach’s and Lou’s walking papers and paid 75 percent or more to do it. I wouldn’t make that move if I were Hendry. There are plenty of teams needing pitching I could deal to before needing to turn to the Sox.
"Yes, I am impatient. Yes, I am frustrated. But yes, I still do remain confident that this team is the team that can still challenge for the division championship and hopefully beyond. We've got a lot of good pieces, we just need to all come together and we'll be just fine."
- Kenny Williams
by justjc on Jul 14, 2010 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
isnt the ink on hendry, lou and possibly rothchilds (sp)? papers about to dry anyway?
Kenwo4life=ratings
Lou yes..
But Hendry still would like to keep his job for a while, and in any case Cubs fans would pretty damn pissed off if they paid the bulk of his salary to see him return to form on the South Side. I just can’t see them taking that risk.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 14, 2010 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
it is hendry we are talking about though...
Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok
"...........and give him to a cross town team............."
Rec’d
"....we have to find a way to win. And good teams do that."
Tomas Kopecky May 29, 2010
am i high?
Only in thinking that he’d replace Hudson instead of that sweaty mofo using the smoke and mirrors.
Hee.
"If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the people he gave it to."
— Dorothy Parker
The Cubs are more likely to trade
issue for issue. Like the Bradley affair. Honestly I don’t know how much fixing he needs. The Cubs really never gave him a chance.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
they can have Teahen and Linebrink
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
talk about not giving a guy a chance.
we’ve seen, what, 2 months of teahen? i still think he can be a league avg 3B
Lurking since 2006
by boyonthedock on Jul 14, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Well if your options are
A paid-for Carlos Zambrano or Teahen and Linebrink, I think I’d take Zambrano every time. It’s not like Teahen is a prospect, we know what he is.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 14, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
fuck teahen. id pack that bums bags
(maybe this comment will come back to bite me in 3 years like cheat’s view of thornton in 2006) lol
Kenwo4life=ratings
Yeah you're definitely the only one bashing teabag.
Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 14, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
No he isn't. Me too. Though I'd keep him over Kotsaydh.
"If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the people he gave it to."
— Dorothy Parker
I do prefer the WHOSH.
Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 15, 2010 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions
WHOSHDAT
Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 15, 2010 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
whats the point,
that seems like the definition of a wash.
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
We're done with Toronto this year
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.
by NorthSidePaulie on Jul 14, 2010 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions
escobar's power hasn't been there this year
braves were looking for some power, and got it, gonzalez is having a career year. win-now move, escobar still has 3 years of team control and should be good going forward, he was worth 4.3 WAR last year. also, apparently braves don’t like his attitude, for whatever that’s worth.
i paraphrased this: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-yunel-escobar-trade-atlantas-perspective/
This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training
The Braves never let a young player go unless they believe they're selling high
like Salty and Flowers. Wait, what?
dammit.
His name is Rios and he dances on the sand
well they were wrong on Andrus
and hopefully Flowers
you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM
Hope is not an investment process
nor a development process. The numbers are not fabricated. He is sucking.
You will look at my bicep and you will see a 20-inch bicep and you will say "Wow, look what this training has done" - that's the obvious. The harder you work, the more you gain, there's no shortcut, and that each time you fail, that you just got to get up and try again. (Arnold Schwartzenegger)
Depends on the direction.
He’s declining. Viciedo at .800 was rising. I like .800 when it is on the rise.
I liked him better last year.
You will look at my bicep and you will see a 20-inch bicep and you will say "Wow, look what this training has done" - that's the obvious. The harder you work, the more you gain, there's no shortcut, and that each time you fail, that you just got to get up and try again. (Arnold Schwartzenegger)
Not from earlier in the year, nor from last year.
At the very least let’s see if he can maintain his improvement from May. I’m not ready to do cartwheels yet.
You will look at my bicep and you will see a 20-inch bicep and you will say "Wow, look what this training has done" - that's the obvious. The harder you work, the more you gain, there's no shortcut, and that each time you fail, that you just got to get up and try again. (Arnold Schwartzenegger)
so, what, you're setting the bar at the 1.100 he put up to start the season?
good one. feel free to wait and see. he had a shitty few weeks this season. i’m utterly shocked. i’ve never seen a player have a slump before. probably should’ve ignored the rest of his career and cut him memorial day.
I'm not saying to cut him.
You were ready to promote him, which I disagreed with. I’m also not saying to cut Beckham (yeah, he’s on the rise, too), but to perhaps let them work it out in the minors a little longer.
You will look at my bicep and you will see a 20-inch bicep and you will say "Wow, look what this training has done" - that's the obvious. The harder you work, the more you gain, there's no shortcut, and that each time you fail, that you just got to get up and try again. (Arnold Schwartzenegger)
Disappoinment seeps into that statement, perhaps.
You will look at my bicep and you will see a 20-inch bicep and you will say "Wow, look what this training has done" - that's the obvious. The harder you work, the more you gain, there's no shortcut, and that each time you fail, that you just got to get up and try again. (Arnold Schwartzenegger)
adjust your expectations then.
the players who have an uninterrupted path straight upwards – or have metronome-like seasons – are rare indeed. and there certainly aren’t any in this organization.
Adjust your cup and calm down.
It’s an off day. And acknowledge that maybe Flowers ain’t ready yet, or at least wasn’t in May.
You will look at my bicep and you will see a 20-inch bicep and you will say "Wow, look what this training has done" - that's the obvious. The harder you work, the more you gain, there's no shortcut, and that each time you fail, that you just got to get up and try again. (Arnold Schwartzenegger)
that isn't something we'd know until he's here, now would we.
my opinion of flowers hasn’t changed.
and any other starter on this team who was on pace for yet another 1 WAR season and people would be screaming for his replacement – and already did. i find it amusing that pierzynski is somehow immune from it.
if beckham is savior
you should know pierzynski is god.
you wouldnt expect god to not be immune to being relieved from his position for his recent lack of fire and brimstone opposed to these weak ass earthquakes and hurricanes over the last decade
Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 15, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
and in the where are they now section....
kip wells is a long island duck. whatever the fuck that is.
Kenwo4life=ratings
Somehow less than mighty.
"I'm tired, I've got a headache, my bullpen blew it." -South Side Expat
by Teahenny Penny on Jul 14, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
ozzie was answering questions on facebook and he said this, no joke
if there was one one thing in baseball you could change, what would it be? (1 year the whole league should use the DH and the next year not. The whole league should do whatever and it should rotate every year)
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
get back to work Ozzie!
This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training
Better then half the league playing by one set of rules
And the other half playing by another.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 14, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions
ooof
better than, you say?
Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok
Well as it is just stupid.
What Ozzie suggested is no more ridiculous. That’s like if in the NFC they had two point conversions but in the AFC they only had extra points. It’s fucking ridiculous.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 14, 2010 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions
im going to go with
no
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
i did chuckle at the next update
Thank you for all the questions. Hope to do it again sometime soon. Resting for an early flight on my private jet to Minnesota called Southwest.
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Jul 14, 2010 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions
hehe thats good
get em at minnesota ozzie!
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
heh.
Not every National League All-Star was firmly in Byrd’s corner after the victory. Cincinnati’s Joey Votto had a different take on Byrd’s performance.
"I don’t like the Cubs," Votto said. "And I’m not going to pat anybody with a Cubs uniform on the back. But because he made that really cool play, it turned out to be a really cool experience. I’m really glad we got the win today."
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
solid, Mr. Votto.
This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training
domo arigato mr votto
Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 14, 2010 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I want him now
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
ITB
gavin’s getting lucky? guess he has luck herpes since it seems to pop up frequently and stick around once it does. - billyok
by omnipotent grab on Jul 14, 2010 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Italians rule.
You will look at my bicep and you will see a 20-inch bicep and you will say "Wow, look what this training has done" - that's the obvious. The harder you work, the more you gain, there's no shortcut, and that each time you fail, that you just got to get up and try again. (Arnold Schwartzenegger)
?
Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 15, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Sigh. A blemish on the Italian race.
Wipe out all of NJ, then Italians are completely awesome.
Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 15, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
which one is That Dude?
is that the one in the leopard print top? any relation to The Situation?
Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 15, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
and three of them aren't even italian
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
"I meannnn. I know we won.
…But the Cubs still suck.
Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 15, 2010 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions
so what
Thornton gives up a couple of runs in the all star game – pile of fucking donkey shite. I don’t give a monkeys toss about how any player does in the all star game – hot fucking air and about as important as a fucking lonely wank in a single hotel room
Ollie and Stan's ability to make everyone laugh throughout their careers was truly a gift and they will never be forgotten.
by hoodlight on Jul 14, 2010 5:48 PM CDT reply actions 11 recs
Is this where I file my complaint about the ASG?
It’s stupid.
I have an analogy: It’s like War. No, not actual war, fuckwit. The card game, War. The card game War sucks. The ASG is like that.
Your never gonna get a second chanse to make a first impression.
-Mr. Hulk Hogan
It's good for absolutely nothing.
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
So you said it again, then said it again, then said it again, then said it again, huh?
"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat
by South Side Expat on Jul 14, 2010 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Absolutely nothin', WHOSH!, say it again!
"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox
Nice
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.
by NorthSidePaulie on Jul 14, 2010 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Seth Meyers sucks.
FTE.
You will look at my bicep and you will see a 20-inch bicep and you will say "Wow, look what this training has done" - that's the obvious. The harder you work, the more you gain, there's no shortcut, and that each time you fail, that you just got to get up and try again. (Arnold Schwartzenegger)
by winningugly on Jul 14, 2010 8:12 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
good god, you're watching that?
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Jul 14, 2010 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions
The monologue.
You will look at my bicep and you will see a 20-inch bicep and you will say "Wow, look what this training has done" - that's the obvious. The harder you work, the more you gain, there's no shortcut, and that each time you fail, that you just got to get up and try again. (Arnold Schwartzenegger)
Did Kanye West come out and ruin it?
"Unemployment benefits are creating jobs faster than practically any other program...It injects demand into the economy... It creates jobs faster than almost any other initiative you can name."
- House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (7/1/10) – God help us.
SNL can kiss my whole asshole.
*fixed
"from the Chi, the city of hella haters, where we keep rising to the top like elevators. Hi haters I'm back off hiatus." - grammy family
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 14, 2010 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions
346 comments in 13 hours? what did i miss?
"from the Chi, the city of hella haters, where we keep rising to the top like elevators. Hi haters I'm back off hiatus." - grammy family
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 14, 2010 10:19 PM CDT reply actions
So I got the latest SI in the mail today
At first I was disappointed, as the cover is adorned by the South Beach Heat’s “Dream 3” or whatever those pompous asses are calling themselves.
But then I got to page 17 and the Who’s Hot/Who’s Not section where the Sox are atop the “hot” list for their comeback effort.
Better yet, at the bottom of the page is the SI Players MLB Poll where Swish is ranked as the 4th most overrated player by his peers (team pals Joba Chamberlain and ARod are #1 & #2). I hope someone posts it on the Yankee clubhouse bulletin board.
"Unemployment benefits are creating jobs faster than practically any other program...It injects demand into the economy... It creates jobs faster than almost any other initiative you can name."
- House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (7/1/10) – God help us.
do it
post it over there…i cant accept/comply with their terms of use
Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 15, 2010 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
No joke, this is as bad as the WBC.
FTWBCITBBTW.
by homesickalien on Jul 15, 2010 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Second half starts today
Time to kick some ass.
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
by 67WMAQ on Jul 15, 2010 7:09 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Fuck yeah! Who's with me?! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jul 15, 2010 7:11 AM CDT up reply actions
wtgtd is going streakingggggggggggggggg!
Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 15, 2010 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions
I have a hangover.
And I’m ready for some beisbol. That is all.
Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 15, 2010 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions
few gems from Olney's column, does he read SSS?
The culture of the event has shifted to the point where we are now at the every-Little Leaguer-gets-a-trophy stage, which is unnecessary. It was a really neat thing that Ty Wigginton was added to the AL All-Star team, as the Orioles’ only representative; the gritty, hard-working veteran was honored over the two days. But Girardi shouldn’t have felt compelled to play him, or just about everybody he had.
….
Nobody paying to see a Broadway show expects to see the understudy after the first act, and similarly, the All-Star Game should be about giving the biggest stars an opportunity to show what they can do — like Ted Williams in 1941.
This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training
Everybody wins!
OT, Jack you need to change your sig, it’s not relevant. We’re happy! …At the moment.
Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 15, 2010 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions
To be fair
I think I’m still obviously pretty damn disgusted with the Mark Kotsay situation, which is what I think that quote is about.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 15, 2010 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Ahh. Well we're allowed to be disgusted about that.
But my disgust is vanished because I know that Lillibridge will soon possess the triple crown.
Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 15, 2010 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions
larry
if you really are a lawyer, you should send him a vaguely threatening cease and desist letter…thats borderline plagerism. tell him to get some original material
Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 15, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
definition of Hell - 3 off days in middle of 8 game winning streak
I am become Q! Destroyer of Worlds
by ChicagoPete on Jul 15, 2010 9:48 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Classic pic but...
Q is jonesin’ too. GGGRRGHHHH I WANNA PLAY.
Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 15, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
he shall ride on a pale horse
and prepareth to do battle with the twin-headed beast in the valley of Megiddo
I am become Q! Destroyer of Worlds
by ChicagoPete on Jul 15, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
you tell 'em I'm comin'
and Hell is coming with me!
you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM
I remember what happened the last time Q! took 3 days off.
It was fun.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 15, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Reminds me of someone else who took 3 days off, then returned and kicked ass.
Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 15, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
bad analogy...
he always turned the other cheek and forgave too much…
Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
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by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 15, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Hahaha, VG point.
Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 15, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Not if you were a money changer in the temple
He opened up a big can of whoopass on those dudes.
"Unemployment benefits are creating jobs faster than practically any other program...It injects demand into the economy... It creates jobs faster than almost any other initiative you can name."
- House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (7/1/10) – God help us.
Verily, Q! didst cast out the moneychangers from the concession stande
I am become Q! Destroyer of Worlds
by ChicagoPete on Jul 15, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
and lo he spake
saying, “I am become Q! Destroyer of Worlds. Thou shalt have no ballplayers before me.”
Fireworks: Bang?
and then prounceth
“take, eat, this is my bratwurst from the Southside Hitmen Grille”
I am become Q! Destroyer of Worlds
by ChicagoPete on Jul 15, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
and then
“take, drinketh, this $7.25 beer, for this is the cup that helps produce opponents blood run over”
Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
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by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 15, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And though he droppeth his peanut upon the leftfield concourse
he picketh it up within the 3 second rule and declared throughout the land that the peanut was still good.
"Unemployment benefits are creating jobs faster than practically any other program...It injects demand into the economy... It creates jobs faster than almost any other initiative you can name."
- House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (7/1/10) – God help us.
by tailgater on Jul 15, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
And on the 7th day, Ozzie fielded the crappy "everyone needs to rest at once" team.
"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat
by South Side Expat on Jul 15, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
hehe
I wasnt here until after the first injury so it is fun to see the Q holiness here
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
by blackoutsox on Jul 15, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Keep reading
Forgiveness opportunites come to an abrupt and terrifying ass-kicking end when He returns again.
"Yes, I am impatient. Yes, I am frustrated. But yes, I still do remain confident that this team is the team that can still challenge for the division championship and hopefully beyond. We've got a lot of good pieces, we just need to all come together and we'll be just fine."
- Kenny Williams
AWESOME
Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
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by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 15, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
wow
just wow.
"Yes, I am impatient. Yes, I am frustrated. But yes, I still do remain confident that this team is the team that can still challenge for the division championship and hopefully beyond. We've got a lot of good pieces, we just need to all come together and we'll be just fine."
- Kenny Williams
so that's what bat-girl's been up to all this time
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Jul 15, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
wtf?
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
I found an alternate opinion
Let me repeat, Matt Thornton is an excellent reliever. Labels need not apply. And using the All-Star Game to call out Thornton as just another middle reliever is silly.
Ollie and Stan's ability to make everyone laugh throughout their careers was truly a gift and they will never be forgotten.
SOX TRADE FLOWERS AND SANTOS FOR ADAM DUNN
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 15, 2010 1:33 PM CDT reply actions
stop it,
not funny
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
yeah, it ain't right to mess like that
slow day, anyway hoping the sox start off right and open a whole can of whoop as on the twins
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 15, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
and fuck adam dunn when we have carl weathers
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 15, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
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by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 15, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
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Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
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by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 15, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
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Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 15, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
pregamethread
Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 15, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
And I thought Erstad gave Grinders a bad name....
by Grinder in Training on Jul 15, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
sorry dude
just extremely bored, and i thought it would be fun to attempt to be more annoying the wtgtd, but halfway through that i realized that was impossible.
chiburb, will you cloak those please?
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by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 15, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I really don't think it matters
This thread is dead anyways. I was just making an attempt at a joke.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 15, 2010 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Per Cowley on Twitter:
First lineup of the second half: Pierre LF, Vizquel 3B, Rios CF, PK 1B, Quentin RF, Kotsay DH, A.J. C, Ramirez SS, Beckham 2B.
"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox
I know it's tacky to bitch about such things, but why not DH Q! and play Kotsay in RF?
I just don’t understand it.
"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox
Where's Tank?
"Unemployment benefits are creating jobs faster than practically any other program...It injects demand into the economy... It creates jobs faster than almost any other initiative you can name."
- House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (7/1/10) – God help us.
Not really tacky to want to keep your star player healthy.
He’s only the key to us having a successful season, it’s ridiculous.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 15, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
i would like to see jones in right and dayan at 3rd and Q DH'ing....
but I am laying off ozzie for the time being.
Kenwo4life=ratings
I'm as happy as anyone that we are winning
But I’m not through with Ozzie or giving him any kind of pass on crappy line-up construction. A lead doesn’t excuse lack of common sense.
"Yes, I am impatient. Yes, I am frustrated. But yes, I still do remain confident that this team is the team that can still challenge for the division championship and hopefully beyond. We've got a lot of good pieces, we just need to all come together and we'll be just fine."
- Kenny Williams
yah but it seems any lineup he throws out there works....
he’s on fire now… even I know not to mess with it… He fucking DH’d lillibridge and the guy had a big hit. I’m staying out of it for now.
Kenwo4life=ratings
is it just me
or is it starting to get stale in here? someone open a window please
"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe
consider it opened
you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM
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