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The trade deadline is a little over a week away, the White Sox have a surprising two game division lead, but even though they've been connected to some big names (Adam Dunn & Prince Fielder) over the last few weeks nothing seems imminent. I realize that by writing that opening run-on sentence the Sox will probably complete a blockbuster within 24 hours of posting this...

First, let's take a look at what the Sox need. Jake Peavy's injury has led many to believe that starting pitching is among the Sox most pressing needs, but a closer look reveals that's just not the case. Daniel Hudson's pre-season PECOTA game him a projected 4.67 ERA while Peavy's clocked in at 3.97. ZiPS is more optimistic, listing a 4.30 rest-of-season ERA with a 3.86 FIP. You're hearing a lot of talk right now about teams not projecting Hudson as more than a #3 or #4 pitcher, well, guess what his current projections make him? That's right, a #3 or 4 starter, right now... As a fastball-changeup guy with an inconsistent slider and a telegraphed curveball. 

He's a #3-4 starter in the same way that '07-'08 John Danks and Gavin Floyd were #3-4 starters. They could hold their own against major league hitters, learning along the way what it takes to be a front of the rotation starter. None of these teams complaining about Hudson being a #3-4 starter are turning his services away. They all want Hudson; they're simply posturing to get more players in the deal... More players the Sox don't exactly have.

It's at this point the non-signing of Jim Thome becomes all the more painful. Not only did the Sox opt out of the deep-discounted production of a big slugger from the left-hand side of the plate, but now they're faced with the proposition of paying a market rate in minor-league talent to get a viable replacement. The Brewers and Nationals have balked at offers centered around Hudson, and the Astros seem more focused on trade-demanding Oswalt rather than better fit for the Sox, Lance Berkman

Regardless, any move that subtracts Hudson from the team is simply shifting the Sox holes from one area to another, and should be a non-starter. The Sox need to focus their efforts on acquiring a non-marquee bat, preferably left-handed, who won't cost them part of their current 25-man roster or their immediate future -- though Hudson and maybe Mitchell -- who I don't think anyone would ask for -- are the only two on that list for me. 

Who Can They Target?

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By my count there are only 12 teams who can be considered out of the playoff race, which obviously cuts the potential targets. Gordon Beckham's reemergence at 2B and Omar Vizquel's surprising play at 3B have helped plug some of the Sox perceived holes. I certainly don't expect Vizquel to continue to hit .310/.376/.398 as he's done in Teahen's absence, but there's no denying that the defensive improvement has played a role in the Sox pitching turnaround. If the Sox are going to find an upgrade at 3B, he's going to have to bring along some plus defense, which all but eliminates 3B as a potential target. That leaves OF and DH as their only remaining upgradeable positions -- because, really, how can you upgrade at catcher?

So let's take a look through the roster of the 12 clubs that are out of it to try and find some potential matches:

Toronto -- MLB homerun leader Jose Batista has now been linked to the Sox, but he's not exactly an ideal fit. He's essentially a right-handed Mark Teahen -- poor-to-average defense wherever he plays, .729 OPS prior to this season while playing for 5 teams with losing records -- who just so happened to put together a hot first 3 months. That hot start includes a .238 batting average. The only reason anyone's interested is his sudden ability to have 19% of his flyballs go over the wall, which, you know, doesn't exactly seem like a sustainable skill. ZiPS projects him to hit .232/.338/.453 the remainder of the season. PASS.

Baltimore -- Luke Scott is their DH. Currently hitting .285/.355/.549, Scott bats from the left side and has a longer history of not being completely useless (.264/.350/.495 prior to '10). Compare that to the .252/.313/.351 that Mark Kotsay is projected by ZiPS to hit the rest of the year, and you're looking at a significant upgrade that shouldn't mortgage the farm. Scott has another year remaining before free agency, so the Sox will have to give up someone of value -- though interestingly, Christina Kahrl at BP proposed a Scott & Miguel Tejeada to the Sox trade that doesn't even include Brent Morel (who I think is the starting point of package for Scott) let alone Hudson, Flowers, Viciedo, Mitchell or Santos. 

Kansas City -- Kenny loves trading with the Royals, and they might actually have a fit. David DeJesus isn't exactly a sexy name, but he owns a career OPS of .783, which plays much better because of his plus defense. The upgrade from Q! to DeJesus in RF would make it seem like we're adding about a .900 OPS DH, plus limiting potential Q!injuries while playing the field. DeJesus is signed through this year, with a $6M player option next year. It seems like he'd be more expensive to acquire than Scott, if only for the intra-division tax. They're grooming Alex Gordon for outfield play, for some reason... Maybe we could trade them a proven 3B/OFer. I think we may have one of those to spare.

Cleveland -- Wasteland.

Oakland -- Jack Cust. Meh, maybe a couple years ago. Pass. 

Seattle -- Nearly a wasteland. They recently added Justin Smoak which logjams their 1B/DH situation with Casey Kotchman and Russell Branyan. Kotchman seems to have worn on yet another organization, while Branyan was brought back in as a fan favorite. It wouldn't be a trade speculation thread without mentioning Kotchman, but the lack of production has finally caught up with him. He'll forever be the butt of our pretend trade jokes. Branyan might be an option on the 31st when everything else has fallen through. He'll bring some much needed power, but not much in the way of actually getting on base.

Washington -- Dunn. Dunn. Dunn... Dunn. You know all about him. Mike Rizzo is holding out for Beckham and the rights to all of his future offspring. If a trade does go down, it looks like it's going to be painful in terms of talent surrendered.

Milwaukee -- Same as Washington. Replace the name Dunn with Prince Fielder. Difference is Fielder is under team-control for '11 and may be due as much as $16M at arbitration. Still, the extra year of control probably raises the asking price. Supposedly, Corey Hart hasn't been drawing too much interest. And although he isn't left-handed, neither was the bulk of the Sox '05 squad. We need another bat, period. If Hart isn't going to cost Hudson or Santos, I'd pull the trigger. 

Houston -- The Astros may want to hang on to Lance Berkman simply to retain some franchise identity should they trade Roy Oswalt. He seems like an afterthought to the Sox after Dunn and Fielder, though he'll probably cost nearly as much, rendering him an even less likely trade target.

Pittsburgh -- They've got young talent everywhere, not exactly a good trade candidate. One name who may be available is Andy LaRoche, who was replaced by Pedro Alvarez. LaRoche is my new Kotchman, a prospect with great minor league numbers who's never put it together at the major leagues. Not gonna help the Sox this year, but a guy who I wouldn't mind giving a shot -- though with Viciedo and Morel, the Sox aren't exactly lacking the questionable 3B prospect market.

Cubs -- Time to get creative. Kosuke Fukudome is left-handed and better than Mark Kotsay, which is all we're really looking for here. But he has a big contract. The Cubs would have to take on Linebrink and/or Teahen plus eat some of his '11 salary to make that work. And it's not that big of an upgrade anyway. You can toss Carlos Zambrano's name in there too just because of the Ozzie connection -- the Sox are probably the one destination where I'd expect to see him thrive -- but I don't see any way they can take on that salary, or would want to take on a certified headcase. 

Arizona -- Adam LaRoche, Andy's older, more successful brother, would be a decent option. A career .272/.341/.487 hitter, LaRoche had a .957 OPS last year after being traded to ATL. ZiPS projects him to hit .278/.354/.495 the rest of the season. He's got a $9.5M vesting option should he be traded which might scare the Sox off, as is his name recognition which might necessitate some more well-regarded prospects than that for the similar production of Luke Scott.

Verdict: Once you remove all the teams in the race, then subtract the untradeables -- your young players with <4 years of service, the overpaid veterans, and face-of-the-franchises -- there's not a whole lot left. There seems to me to be an obvious trade target who brings the skills the Sox are looking for along with what shouldn't be too steep of a price tag -- though one would have to believe if Scott & Tejada were available for Kahrl's proposed package, he would already be a good guy wearing black. 

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Kahrl also has Dunn to the Padres for Venable + Russell

If that’s all it would take to get Dunn, he’d have been on the Sox for weeks by now.

Chicago White Sox Examiner — Big hat, no cattle

by UribeAuction on Jul 22, 2010 11:56 PM CDT reply actions  

word

the Tejada/Scott trade looked ridiculous to me from the O’s perspective on its face. granted i haven’t researched it much, but that package the Sox were to send was sad bastard at best.

Fireworks: Bang?

by colintj on Jul 23, 2010 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's not like Tejada has an outlandishly expensive deal, either.

He’s owed ~$2 million for the rest of 2010 and is a FA after that, so I don’t see why Baltimore would take lesser prospects in return for Scott if they were able to dump Tejada on the Sox. That probably wasn’t what Kahrl was getting at, though, it just seems like Escobar is overrated in that scenario.

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by UribeAuction on Jul 23, 2010 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fielder due $16MM?

there ain’t that much surplus value in that contract then. i think it really comes down to how much the playoffs are worth. and that i’m not sure on. nate silver and vince gennaro have done some stuff, but i’m not sure how good it is. i keep saying that i think the ’spects-for-vets deals seem to end up analyzed in favor of the the team getting prospects, so i assume that actually means the playoffs are a fucking valuable thing.

goes back to finish reading

Fireworks: Bang?

by colintj on Jul 23, 2010 12:10 AM CDT reply actions  

re: surplus value: I know that, you know that

but 1 extra year probably equals more prospects, salary be damned

by The Cheat on Jul 23, 2010 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Insert Blagojevich joke here.

"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat

by South Side Expat on Jul 23, 2010 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

So a disgraced corrupt former Illinois Governor walks into a bar, and the bartender says:

Hi George!

"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok

by DrEmilioLizardo on Jul 23, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hi Otto! Hi Dan! Hi George! Hi Rod!

And the list goes back even further.

Not enough booze for all of them.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver

by Chiburb on Jul 23, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

especially when you factor in the security detail for that many govs

you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM

by e-gus on Jul 23, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fielder could solve our DH and SP problem all in one.

He is the answer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcvaYgWc9eY&feature=related

"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe

by Ahillock on Jul 23, 2010 2:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

i think thats the only time youll see prince smile at his dad

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 2:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

So really Fielder would cost what, close to $20 MM

for this year ($4 MM left) and next year (arb eligible)? That is a lot of coin in addition to giving up Beckham, Hudson and whoever else they want.

"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe

by Ahillock on Jul 23, 2010 2:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

speaking out of my ass

but would it be possible to send them buehrle? him and morel? money would be as tight then, i dont think. totally speakin out of my ass

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 2:26 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

wow, didnt realize i said

speaking out of my ass twice

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 2:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Probably appropriate, considering the comment ;-)

"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox

by RWShow on Jul 23, 2010 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Why is this not your sig?

Now, I will continue to live life in the exact same way I have been, just to appease the gods. Seriously, I will suck the dick of karma ten times over to see the good guys keep up this stellar play for the rest of the season.
by Campbell32

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

DTY

something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.

-MarketMaker

by blackoutsox on Jul 23, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

No no no, he declared me alive the other day.

"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox

by RWShow on Jul 23, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

so who would take buehrle's spot for the rest of the season (post season if we get there)?

you are filling one hole by making another one.

"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe

by Ahillock on Jul 23, 2010 2:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

bring up torres for the remainder of the year

i know, i know, holes. but with the “extra” cash, maybe we could lock up prince for a bit. give hudson a spot, keep garcia on the cheap and then if he falls through, give sale a shot. undesired pressure on sale, but dudes gotta have some balls at some point, why not fast track some balls?

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 2:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

now you said balls twice

something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.

-MarketMaker

by blackoutsox on Jul 23, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

.
Ich gehe hin bekommen die Papiere, die Papiere

Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT

by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 23, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

what makes you think Buerhle would say yes

he wouldn’t.

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

No trade clause.

Ain’t goin anywhere but St. Louis

Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 23, 2010 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

this

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ryan said yesterday that the playoffs mean about $14M to the Rangers.

I’d guess higher for Chicago, but that’s the ballpark.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver

by Chiburb on Jul 23, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

fuck nolan ryan.

hey swisher...........you know.

by BuehrleMan on Jul 23, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Was that in conjunction with his comments on the bankruptcy proceedings?

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver

by Chiburb on Jul 23, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

After filing for bankruptcy in May, the Rangers sought court permission to sell the club to the group led by Ryan, a Hall of Fame pitcher, and Greenberg in a transaction valued at more than $500 million.

After the auction, Lynn will consider approving the company’s bankruptcy exit plan, which details how the money generated from a sale would pay creditors.

At the start of today’s hearing, Rangers’ manager Ron Washington told Lynn that morale among the players is "unbelievably exceptional." The team holds first place in the American League’s Western Division with less than half the regular season left to play.

A playoff run could bring the team an additional $14 million, Ryan said in court yesterday.

The case is In re Texas Rangers Baseball Partners, 10-43400, U.S. Bankruptcy Court, Northern District of Texas (Fort Worth).

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver

by Chiburb on Jul 23, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's what I thought.

I’m wondering if he’s lowballing (so as to acquire at a cheaper price) or overestimating (so they’ll move faster so as to not lose any opportunity cost).

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

or if he is spot on

"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe

by Ahillock on Jul 23, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was hoping in conjunction to Robin Ventura

Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.

by NorthSidePaulie on Jul 23, 2010 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

that was awesome

something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.

-MarketMaker

by blackoutsox on Jul 23, 2010 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

agreed

but i hate that he untucked his shirt.

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 2:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

no doubt

show some fuckin class youre a goddamn professional…

now drop and give me 50 lunchbox

Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT

by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 23, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

booooooo

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

really prince

ive been to the negro league HoF and i dont recall seeing many ballers lookin like that…what fuckin hack FPF

Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT

by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 23, 2010 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

They started doing it with Mike Cameron

His dad used to untuck his shirt after work so first Cam did it and then several players started doing it.

by Salty on Jul 23, 2010 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Trade Beckham and whoever else to Milwaukee for Prince.

Then sign him to a long term contract.

"from the Chi, the city of hella haters, where we keep rising to the top like elevators. Hi haters I'm back off hiatus." - grammy family

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 23, 2010 2:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

bla, never trade Beckham

"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe

by Ahillock on Jul 23, 2010 2:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

hudson and morel

and id be okay with it

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 2:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

if that was it i would be all over it

doubt that would get it done

"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe

by Ahillock on Jul 23, 2010 2:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Im sorry who is his agent again?

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

who gives a fuck

I am sick of the boras thing… its so stupid. if we only get the prince for this year and next year so be it…. the agent has nothing to do with it. if we can’t get a deal let him walk or trade him if we are out of it at the next deadline and refill the minor leagues with the prospects you will get.

to not bring in a guy because of boras is pretty retarded.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 23, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not if there are less expensive options in the terms of prospects sacrificed

that would still fit the bill of improving the DH hole in our line-up.

Oh yeah, and FBINA

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

My response was to his assertion of trading Beckham for Prince and

signing him to a long term contract. So yeah the agent is kind of relevant.

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

morel + hudson

or morel, greene, marquez and kroeger

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

your real trade ideas are as bad as your fantasy ones!

you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM

by e-gus on Jul 23, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

bazing!

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

but seriously

i know. im a lowballer

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

see

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

viciedo and hudson

Dayan at 1B for Milwaukee. McGehee (sic) is decent for them at 3B

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by NorthSidePaulie on Jul 23, 2010 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

too much

something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.

-MarketMaker

by blackoutsox on Jul 23, 2010 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Scott Boras and so what,

we bid on A-Rod…

"from the Chi, the city of hella haters, where we keep rising to the top like elevators. Hi haters I'm back off hiatus." - grammy family

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 23, 2010 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

lets get arron rowand back

and nick swisher

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by Czheck on Jul 23, 2010 12:32 AM CDT reply actions  

I Loved ol' whatshisname- can we get him back?

"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok

by DrEmilioLizardo on Jul 23, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

uribe!

ozuna? chris widger? ross gloud? scotty pods? JERMAINE DYE

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by Czheck on Jul 23, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Scotty Pods!!

Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 23, 2010 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

literally

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did not know that LaRoche had a vesting option

that makes him slightly less valuable than I thought, as I don’t think he’d get much more than $5 million on the market.

I always thought Scott was a good defender in left, but I look at fangraphs and see that he’s only gotten ~100 outfield innings this year. Then again, the three guys playing OF in front of him all have excellent defensive reputations, so maybe it’s not a big deal. In any case, if the Sox scouts think Scott can play a serviceable RF (i.e. better than Quentin), I really think he’s the guy to go for — don’t think it will require dealing Hudson, potentially gets Quentin out of RF and (obviously) pushes the dreck(otsay) down the depth chart.

by CWSKeith on Jul 23, 2010 12:32 AM CDT reply actions  

Am I the only one that feels like there are a lot of teams over-hyping their players this year...

in an attempt to get more back in a trade? I mean I realize this is just part of the business every year as it gets closer to the trade deadline. But it seems excessive this year. Is this just a result of there being a lot of buyers as opposed to sellers? And if that’s the case and they are in fact bluffing, then it seems there will be a shitload of last minute activity on the last day of the trading deadline when teams realize “Holy shit, nobody is taking the bait. Maybe we should move ______ anyways.”

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by Servant2LordBeckham on Jul 23, 2010 12:37 AM CDT reply actions  

that

imo definitely buyers/sellers, and to add insult to injury of the few options out there, only about 4 of em seem to be a possibility, and none of em a perfect fit.

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by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 23, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

caution: i am drunk enough that i had to read the post with one eye closed.

adam laroche is the guy i like but that contract option is brutal. also not sure about the transition to the american league and also want someone who can play the outfield (right field) but i would take dunn for sure if didn’t have to give up too much. don’t want luke scott. that guy is whack. he’s crazier than me and i can’t root for him. fuck fukudome. i like corey hart. gonna have to give up too much for berkman or fielder. i kinda feel like the sox aren’t gonna want to mess with chemistry too much and if they do anything it won’t be much. i mean, when teahen comes back i guess viciedo will go down and then there’s lillibridge. i don’t know. i have to go to sleep.

hey swisher...........you know.

by BuehrleMan on Jul 23, 2010 1:04 AM CDT reply actions  

spelling was fine

however your capitalization and run ons severely regressed. happy thursday to you too, friend!

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 2:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

what is up with scott yo?

This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 23, 2010 2:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

haha, i had to google that crazy shit about luke scott

i think this raises the question for paul konerko to which he’d rather allow in the clubhouse, a bobblehead doll or a gun

This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 23, 2010 2:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

corey hart and luke scott would be fine

something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.

-MarketMaker

by blackoutsox on Jul 23, 2010 1:15 AM CDT reply actions  

right back atcha

you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM

by e-gus on Jul 23, 2010 1:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hooray

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 7:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Under the circumstances...one of the best posts I have ever seen

Coolest baseball moment I got to see in person.

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Jul 23, 2010 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Keep rubbing it in, Antonio Bastardo!

Thanks to the magic of my Slingbox, I was able to watch it in my otherwise-TV-less office.

"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox

by RWShow on Jul 23, 2010 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

ever see the picture of the scoreboard that the sun-times has and jim uses for "state of the sox"?

i’m in it. :-P

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.

by thatshortkid on Jul 23, 2010 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

You, too, are a bastadon!

"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox

by RWShow on Jul 23, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Damn straight.

What an incredible afternoon that was….. I’m just sitting here going back to the memories of his perfecto. What’s ironic is that I finished reading James Buckley’s book Perfect, of the 16 perfect games through to the end of the 20th century (it was published before Johnson’s perfect game in 2004) the day before Buehrle threw his.

"i need to watch this harry potter movie on tv on acid."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 15, 2010 3:30 PM CDT
I have witnessed the 2005 World Series championship, Mark Buehrle's perfect game, and the 2010 Chicago Blackhawks Stanley Cup championship in my lifetime.
RIP Bob Probert

by chisoxfan1473 on Jul 23, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

read it again

something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.

-MarketMaker

by blackoutsox on Jul 23, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Heh

I think it only works once for perfect games, because I re-read it again before he set down 17 more in a row, before his perfect streak finally ended.

"i need to watch this harry potter movie on tv on acid."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 15, 2010 3:30 PM CDT
I have witnessed the 2005 World Series championship, Mark Buehrle's perfect game, and the 2010 Chicago Blackhawks Stanley Cup championship in my lifetime.
RIP Bob Probert

by chisoxfan1473 on Jul 23, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is it a good read?

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is a pretty good read

Covers the 16 perfect games including the two in 1880. Buckley, Jr. combines some humor with a ton of newspaper quotes from the early perfectos, and a ton of interviews once you start hitting around Don Larsen’s World Series perfecto in ‘56. I highly recommend it for a baseball fan, it is quite an enjoyable read, even more so when you know exactly what it’s like to have witnessed such a feat as a perfect game. I don’t know if there are any updated versions, though it’s been at least 7 years since I got that book.

Doing some quick research, he does have an updated version from 2005 after Randy Johnson’s perfect game. Nothing yet that includes Buehrle’s, Braden’s, or Halladay’s…and it would be interesting to see what he’d do for Galagarra’s blown perfect game.

"i need to watch this harry potter movie on tv on acid."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 15, 2010 3:30 PM CDT
I have witnessed the 2005 World Series championship, Mark Buehrle's perfect game, and the 2010 Chicago Blackhawks Stanley Cup championship in my lifetime.

by chisoxfan1473 on Jul 23, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Zambrano and Fukudome for Linebrink and Teahan

Thats some mad scientist shit right there. Youre crazy, cheat. You. Youre crazy man.

Like a fox! despite the funny money stuff that would have to go on in there Id like to see us dump those two in one shot and to a team I hate. I just dont think the Cubs can send Zambrano across town in case he does recover. Also I think he would be a better DH than Teehans.

you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM

by e-gus on Jul 23, 2010 1:21 AM CDT reply actions  

stream of consciousness there

Their problems are too expensive (and Fukudome isn’t enough of an upgrade to think about it)

by The Cheat on Jul 23, 2010 1:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

too true

Im so glad the Cubs outbid the Sox on Fukudome when they did. Can you imagine how pissed we would all be about that contract? Yeesh.

I agree that this is probably one of the only places Zambrano might recover but Im pretty sure the Cubs cant let that happen.

you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM

by e-gus on Jul 23, 2010 1:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

I dont think they outbid us

he just wanted to play with them. correct me if im wrong

something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.

-MarketMaker

by blackoutsox on Jul 23, 2010 1:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

that was my understanding.

i always heard kenny offered more (50 mil for 4 v. 48 for 4 from the cubs).

hey swisher...........you know.

by BuehrleMan on Jul 23, 2010 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

also I would like Zambrano for Linebrink, Kotsay and Crockpot

something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.

-MarketMaker

by blackoutsox on Jul 23, 2010 1:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

who is Crockpot?

is he the fat one?

Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT

by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 23, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

teahen

something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.

-MarketMaker

by blackoutsox on Jul 23, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

i am so whoshed

Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT

by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 23, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

was looking at kosuke on fangraphs

i thought id like him if only for his defense, but has been a huge disappointment this year.

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 2:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

this was my thinkin as well

Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.

by NorthSidePaulie on Jul 23, 2010 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

thanks for this cheat

I really liked the allusion to trading teahen back to KC for dejesus

night

something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.

-MarketMaker

by blackoutsox on Jul 23, 2010 1:55 AM CDT reply actions  

i think they would take him back too

Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT

by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 23, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

asking again

and torrents/links for The Club?

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 2:38 AM CDT reply actions  

MLB runs episode 1 this afternoon

If you want to run the DVR.

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Jul 23, 2010 5:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

I believe some of these boonies-dwellers lack MLBN.

Remarkably, they do have The Internets.

"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox

by RWShow on Jul 23, 2010 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

this

though i live in des moines….

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

for tdogg

revised BP playoff odds

from july 21st to july 22nd pecota % drop in odds was ~ 8%, now at 61%

you happy now bitch

This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 23, 2010 4:22 AM CDT reply actions  

Yes I am!

lol… The first thing that jumps out is the difference between the Tigers and White Sox. Yeah I feel pretty confident against them. So go ahead and splurge on Haren boys.

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

i cant help but want to punch you in the face for saying its okay for the tigers to get haren

how can that be any good, or even okay for that mattter?

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

He historicaly tails off post all star break to the tune of about two hole runs to his ERA.

Check his record going back to 2006. It’s uncanny.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

i checked at his era goes up just about 1 in the second half

still, hes a good, good pitcher

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

2009- 2.01 ERA pre ASG, 4.62 post

2008 – 2.72 pre, 4.18 post
2007 – 2.30 pre, 4.15 post
2006 – 3.52 pre, 4.91 post

This guy may be the poster boy for half season splits. He goes from great to serviceable each year after the ASG. He’s definitely not all that and a bag of chips going forward if he follows his track record. In fact, so far for 2010.

2010 – 4.36 pre, 7.36 post

Yeah, Detroit can have him.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

You could at least post his peripherals

whatever to half seasons of ERA. there’s no real good reason I can think that explains why a pitcher might have divergent half splits.

Fireworks: Bang?

by colintj on Jul 23, 2010 5:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

fatigue?

you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM

by e-gus on Jul 23, 2010 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

then why not adjust?

exert less effort in the beginning of the season.

Fireworks: Bang?

by colintj on Jul 23, 2010 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

spread the mediocrity around!

something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.

-MarketMaker

by blackoutsox on Jul 23, 2010 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

now you're clearly fucking around.

Cashing checks and having sex. Also doing some light medical diagnoses.

by MarketMaker on Jul 23, 2010 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

playoffs-yes

otherwise no

something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.

-MarketMaker

by blackoutsox on Jul 23, 2010 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

not try his hardest all the time? sounds like a winning strategy to me.

Cashing checks and having sex. Also doing some light medical diagnoses.

by MarketMaker on Jul 23, 2010 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think that is quite comparable.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

what if you ran a mile every 5 days?

Cashing checks and having sex. Also doing some light medical diagnoses.

by MarketMaker on Jul 23, 2010 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

This.

They can, you know, rest.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Come on, sir.

You are killing yourself. You don’t think every major leaguer does this? You don’t think his splits have been pointed out to him by someone who cares?

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's what i'm saying

if there was an actual issue, i’m sure he’d correct it. i doubt it’s anything.

Fireworks: Bang?

by colintj on Jul 23, 2010 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is one thing

consistent.

I don’t know why, but there it is. It might be in his head now.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

i doubt if you did the math it would be stat.

significant. in that case you need to have to actually scout him or look at peripherals or come up with some very reasonable theory.

Fireworks: Bang?

by colintj on Jul 23, 2010 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

Boe Im just saying its not enough to get them over the hump and he won’t come cheap at all. Im not rooting for it. Certainly I’d rather see him there instead of the Twins.

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

ok. id much rather see him here haha

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pecota for Hudson the rest of the way

Sweet
4.42 ERA 77 IP 78k/31bb 12.9 VORP. Of course that is better than GAVIN FLOYD but my feelings of the pessimistic predicting of the Sox pitchers is well known.

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pecota Odds

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't understand the focus on playoff "odds".

Unless you are laying money down this doesn’t help except to feel good. I know it all goes to “odds” of player performance that forms the basis for the playoff “odds”, but I would rather focus on individual layer “odds” – it reminds me of the packaging of subprime mortgages – too much extrapolation based to too little actual fact. Too dilutive for my taste.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought individual player performance projections made up the team odds.

Seems the “transparency” you desire (and say was lacking in SPM bundles) is right there.

Please correct me if I’m wrong.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver

by Chiburb on Jul 23, 2010 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

i think that's correct, that's why tdogg was bitching about the delayed update in the team's depth charts

This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 23, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

and you can look at it 3 different ways for whatever floats your boat.
Current stats.
Predicted.
Predicted with an emphasis on recent performance.

Unless you have a substantial piece (like Peavy out for a year still factored in or Cliff Lee added to the Twins) what WU is bitching about is there.

As the depth charts are changed and it gets later in the season you should certainly feel better….

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

But if "projected performace" is added/multiplied/divided,

the standard deviation of the group is larger than it would be for individual performance, no? Thus the team projected results have more margin for error. And when you stack up your team’s larger standard deviation against another team’s larger standard deviation, those results would be skewed more, I would think.

Sorry, I didn’t think I was “bitching” but asking for clarification.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I didnt mean it in a bad way

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

After your experience I understand your "it's only money" philosophy.

You walk away from divorce with your balls in tact, money is meaningless in the short run. You can always go make more money.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

bitching was in reference to tdogg you OPOS

This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 23, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

opposite of that actually

at least i’m pretty sure.

Fireworks: Bang?

by colintj on Jul 23, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly

it is layered. Then simulated a million times.

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

And that's what was done in the risk management models projecting mortgage defaults.

“Fat tails”, man. I’m only suggesting that these statistics end up meaning not so much unless you are looking for Sominex to sleep better at night.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well yeah

the games still have to be played. Personally I “feel” better because of PECOTA’s tendency to short change Sox starters on PT. I call it the Herm bonus. All projection systems misread Buerhle.

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

wu has a good point

but I still rather see the sox at 60% than the 30% it was before the hot streak.

you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM

by e-gus on Jul 23, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

6%!

man thats the day to be in vegas.

you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM

by e-gus on Jul 23, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

yah i heard terry boers on the radio say he got the sox

at 18/1 odds for the series…. somebody called in and said they were 70/1 on june 9th. 70 to fucking 1! I don’t know where to look and see if that is true or not

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 23, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I heard that as well, and I don't doubt it for a second.

After all, they were dead, as larry said!

"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox

by RWShow on Jul 23, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah it doesn't mean alot,

But it’s comforting to look at! I like seeing them high

Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 23, 2010 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

it's comfort food damn it take a spoonful and stfu :)

This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 23, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah but they aren't projecting based on numbers for 3 years earlier

and even if they were in those 3 years there hasn’t been a major shift in the way baseball is played which would make those numbers invalid… so the analogy is a bit weak

by CatBrains on Jul 23, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

The analogy was referencing a danger

in taking comfort from computer modeling. I agree with Gus – 60% is better than 30%, yet it still is meaningless unless you are betting.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

its not meaningless

You can do a fair amount of planning and assessment of strengths in modeling and of course the later we are in schedule the more accurate it is.

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Philosophically, though, to what end?

Do you feel better when you are 60% projected to win or 40% projected to win? You feel better when you win, period. The only ones who depend upon the numbers are the ones wagering on it (owners, marketers, vendors, managers, and yes, creaters of the systems, et. al.). Me, I like the analysis but at the end of the day I generally suspend that when I am watching the game. I don’t claim to be a GM or manager wanna-be.

I know, torches and pitchforks. I like the poetry and the competition more than the numbers. It’s the emotional aspect of the game that makes it fun for me.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well again I don't have a problem with you saying this

games are played on paper. Im just saying its not meaningless.

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sheehan recently suggested that the real hole is at leadoff position.

That eliminating Pierre at the top with even league average OBP would make the most impact on Sox runs created. Also that those guys are easily found and wouldn’t cost much.

Just throwing it out there.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver

by Chiburb on Jul 23, 2010 6:07 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

i think there are many of us that would agree to that

but is no fucking way, barring injury, that pierre is not leading off..so why waste words over it?

my sense is that ozzie felt burned with the swisher ‘experiment’. he won’t repeat it again while he is manager here.

This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 23, 2010 6:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

DeAza?

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Jul 23, 2010 6:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

this year?

otherwise, pencil pierre in at #1

This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 23, 2010 6:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pecota pretty much expects Pierre to provide league avg or above OBP at the top for the rest of the season

.287/.350/.360
Even if you don’t buy that high, .340 for the rest of the season is likely. Yeah focus elsewhere.

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

this sort of stuff really overcomplicates things.

the white sox should simply find the best hitter available, within whatever prospects/money constraints they have. when a team is generally getting horseshit from the DH spot, it’s not exactly difficult to upgrade the team.

by larry on Jul 23, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

if the sox are looking at scott

they may be constrained by chicago’s gun ordinance. that guy’s a menace!

hey swisher...........you know.

by BuehrleMan on Jul 23, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

“Barring a tactical entry where terrorists come in and hold us hostage, that’s about the only thing that could possibly warrant me carrying a gun in the clubhouse. That’s highly unlikely, and I admit that. But my personal belief is I don’t want to suffer from the poor choices of others.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/01/luke-scott-brought-guns-i_n_481343.html

by larry on Jul 23, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Thank god Scott had a gun in his locker! He saved us from the terrorists!"

…Is something I don’t think will be stated.

Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 23, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Luke Scott is the reason Bin Laden is hiding

"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe

by Ahillock on Jul 23, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

How many terrorists have attacked the Sox' clubhouse?

Zero.

Carlos Quentin’s Q!nicorn: 100% Effective Terrorism Deterrent.

Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 23, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

that's pretty whack alright

or is it “wack”

Kind of like “wail/whale on you”. I see the latter more often but the large marine mammal makes less sense than the scream to me.

Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.

by NorthSidePaulie on Jul 23, 2010 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

i believe either spelling

is acceptable.

hey swisher...........you know.

by BuehrleMan on Jul 23, 2010 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

baltimore is a tough place

"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe

by Ahillock on Jul 23, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

it's likely he didn't live in the city

This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 23, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

What gun ordinance?

Supreme Court says Scott can play here.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

i would do that in a heartbeat

"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe

by Ahillock on Jul 23, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why would the Phillies do this?

Werth is cheap and good. Jenks is expensive and good.

by joewho112 on Jul 23, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

hence why i said i would do that in a heartbeat

never said that would happen in real life

"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe

by Ahillock on Jul 23, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rany:

Brian Anderson, who after five seasons in the major leagues as an outfielder, decided this spring that he wanted to become a pitcher – and the Royals, inexplicably, agreed. I say "inexplicably" because the Royals had just signed him to a $700,000 contract, and I don’t think they anticipated paying him to learn a new craft in rookie ball, which is what he is doing. He’s pitched well so far – four innings, two hits, no walks, five strikeouts. If the Royals wanted to convert a hitter into a pitcher, they should have kept Tony Pena Jr.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver

by Chiburb on Jul 23, 2010 6:40 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I like the idea of Luke Scott or DeJesus,

even though I can’t stand DeJesus because of how he seems to kill the Sox. One more ex-Royal on our team makes me retch. Scott looks nice and rested after his stint on the DL. Fielder costs too much from a personnel standpoint, and with the now sunk cost of Peavy producing nothing I don’t think another $20MM is doable.

Now, I will continue to live life in the exact same way I have been, just to appease the gods. Seriously, I will suck the dick of karma ten times over to see the good guys keep up this stellar play for the rest of the season.
by Campbell32

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 7:09 AM CDT reply actions  

he's doing well off the dl

7/16 with 2 HRs

This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 23, 2010 7:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

fuck luke scott.

also, seems that no one has mentioned that dejesus is injured.

hey swisher...........you know.

by BuehrleMan on Jul 23, 2010 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Was not aware he was seeing a hand specialist.

Cross him off.

Now, I will continue to live life in the exact same way I have been, just to appease the gods. Seriously, I will suck the dick of karma ten times over to see the good guys keep up this stellar play for the rest of the season.
by Campbell32

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Link?

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Saw it on SportsCenter.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, scratch one option and the Orioles out.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

olney just tweeted:

thinks best case he missed two weeks, worst case surgery required, misses 6 weeks

by Jack M on Jul 23, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

If the Phils are asking for B.J. Upton to get Werth

Is it sacrilege to suggest trading Q to the Phils for Werth and then pursuing Scott or Dunn with prospects to bag Kotsayd’h? We could upgrade both and since Werth is an Illinois boy, maybe we could sign him long term as well.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 7:48 AM CDT reply actions  

upgrade both RF and DH that is

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 7:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Can't believe I'm saying this...

but considering the realistic combination of players that we’re hearing to get any of the top talent (and fully recognizing that fans tend to fall in love with their own players), I think the White Sox should simply stand pat. The Sox just can’t bury themselves with too many big salaries. Beckhan and Hudson will be cheap for years (and good for years, in my humble opinion). Please, feel free to ridicule me.

by palehose67 on Jul 23, 2010 8:40 AM CDT reply actions  

No I don't think standing pat is a bad idea.

I mean I think besides that Scott/Tejada proposed trade, we’re taking a pretty big risk with most of these trades. They’re just too expensive, and I don’t think plugging holes by taking a cork out of another hole is a great idea.

Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 23, 2010 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree that "top talent" costs too much, and if that's all KW is looking at then he should stand pat.

But:

1. “Top talent” isn’t needed to improve on Kotsay/Jones/Pierre. “League average” is a huge uptick over those messes.

2. The Sox aren’t playing in a vacuum. Are the Twinks/Tigers going to address their needs? In a smart way? “Top talent” way? If not, stand pat. If so, KW may have to seek same.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver

by Chiburb on Jul 23, 2010 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, because of reason 2,

I don’t see a trade happening until the very last minute.

Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 23, 2010 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

A lot of dominoes will fall next Saturday.

Don’t believe any rumors between now and then. Lots of agents, general managers, and other assorted interested parties will float trial balloons via their bought and paid for sportswriters between now and the deadline.

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Jul 23, 2010 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Totally

I’m not one of ’em…but when hosts talk about “their sources,” you can bet “their sources” have an ulterior motive.

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Jul 23, 2010 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

The sage advice from one in the industry.

Now, I will continue to live life in the exact same way I have been, just to appease the gods. Seriously, I will suck the dick of karma ten times over to see the good guys keep up this stellar play for the rest of the season.
by Campbell32

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

If someone is wants to give you confidential information, they are not doing it out of the goodness of their own heart.

They want their version of the truth to go public.

I’m not saying it’s a bad thing…

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Jul 23, 2010 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

I fully understand the "hidden agenda" -

as a fiduciary you have to do a self-examination of your own agenda at all times and disclose it to your paying customers. I know the game. I’m saying you, as one of your ilk, are perhaps less than objective yeself, unless you don’t have sources. In which case, get to work developing those sources!

;)

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah I agree

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Very little cost except money" is sigworthy.

I’m gonna do it.

Now, I will continue to live life in the exact same way I have been, just to appease the gods. Seriously, I will suck the dick of karma ten times over to see the good guys keep up this stellar play for the rest of the season.
by Campbell32

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

at max, I'd like to see a spare parts trade like the BA/Kotsay trade last year

and hope to catch lightning in a bottle. Or at least an exposed lampcord in a bottle.

A Dunn-type trade is only going to be chasing good money after bad, compounding the foolishness of passing on Thome.

His name is Rios and he dances on the sand

by Nordhagen on Jul 23, 2010 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

This.

“Lightning in a bottle” is a great expression. It was once used to describe one of my first fantasy players, Oddibe McDowell. (It was a poor description.)

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

A nice part of my winning LaSalle Street Rotisserie League winner in '87.

As was a rookie CF named Williams, Kenneth.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver

by Chiburb on Jul 23, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is why I am anti standing pat

There are too many options that could improve our middling offense without much cost. I will be very disappointed if we don’t at least get a serviceable lefty power bat like Scott or Cust.

Maybe if we pound Oakland all weekend, we can convince Jack Cust to sneak on board the team jet and just defect.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe you "reply fialed", but the 'stand pat' suggestion was in lieue of seeking 'top talent' at too high a price.

I think you’d agree that Cust doesn’t qualify as “top”.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver

by Chiburb on Jul 23, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

I most certainly did fial

That was for palehose. And I agree in not going top line like Prince Fielder. Though, as mentioned above, I would love me some Werth.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, these rumors make no sense

from the standpoint of what you’d have to give up. I don’t see anything happening till the last moment, and only then if a seller blinks and drops their asking price. Fortunately most other contenders are, as usual, looking for pitching – we’re about only one looking for fat, lumbering LH white dudes. I wouldn’t be surprised to see one them fall in our lap for cheap.

I am become Q! Destroyer of Worlds

by ChicagoPete on Jul 23, 2010 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Of course, amid all the rumors,

I take some comfort in the fact that in the past when KW makes a deal, we usually haven’t heard much about it prior to the actual deal. All the “noise” beforehand is usually just noise. And by “noise” I mean “fills up much needed air space for sports talk radio.”

by palehose67 on Jul 23, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd look for someone looking to make a salary dump

like we did with Thome last year. I don’t see is giving up whatever limited young talent there is in the system.

I am become Q! Destroyer of Worlds

by ChicagoPete on Jul 23, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

After that Royals / Angels trade,

Betemit might be starting at 3B for the Royals. Awesome!

by Jack M on Jul 23, 2010 9:32 AM CDT reply actions  

.

I am become Q! Destroyer of Worlds

by ChicagoPete on Jul 23, 2010 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Except I haven't seen them this year. Mentioned "Goggles" to a Royals fan and he didn't have a clue what I was on about.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver

by Chiburb on Jul 23, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I laughed

"i need to watch this harry potter movie on tv on acid."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 15, 2010 3:30 PM CDT
I have witnessed the 2005 World Series championship, Mark Buehrle's perfect game, and the 2010 Chicago Blackhawks Stanley Cup championship in my lifetime.

by chisoxfan1473 on Jul 23, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Look out Radioactive Man

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Up and atom.

DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY

by Ozzie Montana on Jul 23, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

As opposed to Radiation Dude

With his far more lame “Up and lets go.”

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rumors from last trading deadline

All quotes from MLBTR:

July 26th:

The White Sox could pull off something big because GM Kenny Williams “has a bit of gambler in him.”

July 25th:

According to MLB.com’s Scott Merkin, the White Sox aren’t likely to add “a major piece to their playoff puzzle” before the trade deadline.

July 24th:

(George) Sherrill is also on the White Sox’s radar.

July 24th:

The White Sox have some interest in Holliday,

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Jul 23, 2010 9:45 AM CDT reply actions  

if we get holliday

itd be 6 years from now

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe they meant Billie Holliday

They’re looking to replace AC/DC in the opening montage

by joewho112 on Jul 23, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

boy do they need to

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

no way man

you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM

by e-gus on Jul 23, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Serously... You don't mess with that opening.

"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat

by South Side Expat on Jul 23, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

My god, what a horrid sentiment.

AC/DC is Teh Awesomeness

"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox

by RWShow on Jul 23, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

i enjoy me some acdc, but thunderstruck is probably the 2nd most overrated/overplayed song of all time

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's new AC/DC.

Old is better. As in most valuable things.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

the 1st being sweet child of mine

guns and roses fucking sucked. and still do, for that matter

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

THIS!

The National also use Thunderstruck for their opening montage. It was both comforting and queer when the White Sox came here to play them.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dude.

You’re making me sad.

"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox

by RWShow on Jul 23, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

Appetite for Destruction ruled the world for about 2 years.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

These clowns are insane. For my money, AC/DC is the greatest hard rock band there has ever been.

Appetite is in my top 5 albums. FBJ – not our hefty closer.

"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox

by RWShow on Jul 23, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have to concur with this.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

There is nothing hard about men who sing higher than women

Metallica understood this.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Metallica is dead to me

ever since they ruined free music.

you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM

by e-gus on Jul 23, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

DTY?

Life is too short. And you are a Communist if you don’t believe people should be paid by someone using their art.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

fuck lars. couldnt even cut it as a tennis player

a tennis player! i was never than into the long haired crap anyway. DTM.

you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM

by e-gus on Jul 23, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

You are very funny for a SSS OPOS.

;)

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

whoa whoa whoa

i said thunderstruck was overrated and over played. i never said anything that goes against acdc. FYRCS

thats fuck your reading comprehensive skills, pal

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fine.

But you chased it by blasting GNR unnecessarily. And a couple of your fellow music-tards piled on, and I got a little amped up. Apologies.

"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox

by RWShow on Jul 23, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

gnr still fuckin sucks

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now go get me my shine box!

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

As said music tard

I do not back down from my post. Male Sopranos weren’t cool until David Chase came along.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Obviously you can't distinguish between screaming and singing in a high-pitched voice.

We are not discussing REO fucking Speedwagon. Brian Johnson and Bon Scott both “sang” lower-tempo songs in relatively deep voices. But the higher-octane stuff was them screaming, not singing in a high pitch.

Even still, you’re wrong.

"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox

by RWShow on Jul 23, 2010 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Scorpions, UFO, Rainbow

Oh man…it’s my high school days all over again!

"Unemployment benefits are creating jobs faster than practically any other program...It injects demand into the economy... It creates jobs faster than almost any other initiative you can name."
- House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (7/1/10) – God help us.

by tailgater on Jul 23, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rock Bottom is an awesome, awesome song. I've wanted it to be on Guitar Hero since it came out

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 23, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pearl Jam, STP, Nirvana,

Vocals man. They make great music sound even better.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

They also make great music sound unintelligible

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 23, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

touche

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

STP was okay. Nirvana was good.

Pearl Jam was/is/whatever a hideous assault on music. FEV

"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox

by RWShow on Jul 23, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Completely disagree.

My wife andI bonded over “Ten”. She still buys every new CD they put out. (Even though she doesn’t.)

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jesus fuck,

that is cold. And inaccurate.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh come on it went from motley crue

and wild fucking parties…. to kurt cobain and everyone being depressed and all the broads wearing long sleeve flannel shirts… fuck that douchebag.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 23, 2010 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Cinderella and Winger

should be lionized. It was done. Nirvana brought back raw rock and roll. You liked fucking lipstick bands, KW? FFS.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

i wish it had been courtney love instead.

Cashing checks and having sex. Also doing some light medical diagnoses.

by MarketMaker on Jul 23, 2010 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

then grow a pair and listen to better songs

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lend me your Alanis albums?

"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox

by RWShow on Jul 23, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thunderstruck is a stupid song, but you can't argue its awesomeness in the context of Sox games.

If I had a choice the only music at games would be Faust and Wu-Tang.

DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY

by Ozzie Montana on Jul 23, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm gonna have a video montage set to the pirates of the caribean/Thunderstruck

played as the wedding party introduction at the reception. Already working on it.

"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat

by South Side Expat on Jul 23, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

remind me to miss those home games.

"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok

by DrEmilioLizardo on Jul 23, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

krautrock at the cell, are you fucking kidding me

faust, can, throbbing gristle, amon duul, neu!, kraftwerk was meant to play on record player at home, that’s it…

This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 23, 2010 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Um....Nancy Faust?

DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY

by Ozzie Montana on Jul 23, 2010 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

whoosh!

i was really hoping for colin to take the bait

This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 23, 2010 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Unless you were wooshing me, in that case woosh.

DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY

by Ozzie Montana on Jul 23, 2010 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

(nodding)

Cashing checks and having sex. Also doing some light medical diagnoses.

by MarketMaker on Jul 23, 2010 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great points on Hudson Cheat

I love the whole thing about being a 3-4 and learning how to be a 1-2. Hudson ability to K and his tendency to keep the ball down really makes me think I would rather hold on to him….

Folks can argue about rather it’s a skill to limit HRs but whatever it is this staff does it and well.

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 9:52 AM CDT reply actions  

In our park, limiting HRs is key

I shudder when I hear people suggesting trades for flyball pitchers.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

re: HRs

this was supposed to be an issue for danks, who is in the top 10 this year thus far at keeping it inside the park

This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 23, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

its the humidor

you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM

by e-gus on Jul 23, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

nah, them bible thumpers in colorado use the humidor

This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 23, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Heyman (who sounds like Boras' guy, BTW)
The White Sox also covet Prince Fielder, but Dunn, Adam LaRoche and Lance Berkman (in that order) are the next players on their list, according to Jon Heyman of SI.com (via Twitter).

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Jul 23, 2010 9:59 AM CDT reply actions  

I really dont want LaRoche.

gut feeling.

you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM

by e-gus on Jul 23, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's the French name, isn't it?

Or the egregious salary commitment?

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

the rock!

nah i like the translation, its that I just think he sucks.

you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM

by e-gus on Jul 23, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

La'Roche is the lilliest way to say rock ever.

He should go German and make it Stein, thus sounding tougher and being more easily linked to festive drinking. Maybe then, he could be a Sox.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

sencond is right after second but before third in case you are wondering

you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM

by e-gus on Jul 23, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

love me some lil'bridge too

But I don’t think he bats clean up or fifth no matter how zen the combination.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

green please

Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.

by NorthSidePaulie on Jul 24, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

or could go irish.

carrick (or carrig)=rock.

hey swisher...........you know.

by BuehrleMan on Jul 23, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Stein sounds Jewish.

Pass. Not enough good Jewish athletes.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hear your wife is rather spry.

"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox

by RWShow on Jul 23, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

He loves me, even if he did declare me dead for a week.

We good.

"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox

by RWShow on Jul 23, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

IT'S GO TIME!

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Love me some Hebrew Hammer though

Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.

by NorthSidePaulie on Jul 24, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Does anyone honestly believe...

that Prince Fielder would be a good defensive player at DH?

by palehose67 on Jul 23, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

nice

Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT

by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 23, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hear his offensive at the buffet table

Yes, I know, he got chubby eating salad…bwaaa ha haaaa!

"Unemployment benefits are creating jobs faster than practically any other program...It injects demand into the economy... It creates jobs faster than almost any other initiative you can name."
- House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (7/1/10) – God help us.

by tailgater on Jul 23, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

his = he's

Doh!

"Unemployment benefits are creating jobs faster than practically any other program...It injects demand into the economy... It creates jobs faster than almost any other initiative you can name."
- House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (7/1/10) – God help us.

by tailgater on Jul 23, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

who sounds like Boras' guy is a HUGE understatement by the way.

He is Boras’ mouthpiece.

you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM

by e-gus on Jul 23, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

he's totally on boras' payroll

This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 23, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

this is blasphemy

check out the btb rankings

This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 23, 2010 10:44 AM CDT reply actions  

that list is a joke

you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM

by e-gus on Jul 23, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

wow Twins fan much?

Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''

by OznCoop on Jul 23, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

just blasphamy

Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''

by OznCoop on Jul 23, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

cheers!

Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''

by OznCoop on Jul 23, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Are you jacked up for the game yet?

9:15 AM. If you want to keep up with Toonder and HSA you’d better start drinking.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

i'm still at work. flight's not until just past lunch o'clock.

however, i’m seeing a liquid lunch in my future.

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.

by thatshortkid on Jul 23, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

love it

you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM

by e-gus on Jul 23, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

terrible.

whatever formula they are using for that does not work properly.

hey swisher...........you know.

by BuehrleMan on Jul 23, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sox Needs

I don’t agree that not signing Jim Thome was a mistake. I love Jim, he gave 100%. However, we have Andruw Jones who has more HR’s than Thome. If Quentin can stay healthy, our hitting should be fine. If there is a great deal for Adam Dunn (not giving up Beckam or Hudson) we should take it. However, if we stand pat, that is not the worst thing at this point. It would be nice to get someone in the bullpen who could replace Linestink, however.

by Alan Snipes on Jul 23, 2010 10:59 AM CDT reply actions  

except for that play the other night...that was awesome

Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''

by OznCoop on Jul 23, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

And he fucking smiles right through it.

Makes it worse.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

i actually enjoy that.

if i was playing major league baseball, i’d have a grin like i just stole something, too.

by larry on Jul 23, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

It bothers me that it is not me.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

heheh

This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 23, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

no kidding

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

no kidding

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with larry...I'm writing it down in my journal

Hit .300 – get paid
Hit .200 – get paid
Make a spectacular catch – get paid
Make an error – get paid
ERA = 1.00 – get paid
ERA = 8.00 – get paid
Lose your mind and get sent to anger management camp – get paid really well

"Unemployment benefits are creating jobs faster than practically any other program...It injects demand into the economy... It creates jobs faster than almost any other initiative you can name."
- House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (7/1/10) – God help us.

by tailgater on Jul 23, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thome only plays part time for the Twinks.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Replacing Linebrink isn't even on the radar of trade priorities

I mean, really? We’re talking trades here, and you want to replace our 5th best reliever?

This team needs some damn bats. Preferably those that get on base. And preferably some bats with a glove that can play RF.

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 23, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

wrong wrong wrong wrong

wrong wrong wrong wrong

youre wroooonngggg

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

OT: So what are you guy's thoughts as A-Rod closes in on #600?

I tend to like hate him less than Bonds, just bc we no know he’s off the stuff and he’s still putting up huge numbers. Dont get me wrong, I hate the guys guts. But compared to Bonds he’s not as bad.

Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''

by OznCoop on Jul 23, 2010 11:13 AM CDT reply actions  

I think he can go have gay butt sex with the rest of the yankees

something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.

-MarketMaker

by blackoutsox on Jul 23, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

at least some people pay attention to me.

"from the Chi, the city of hella haters, where we keep rising to the top like elevators. Hi haters I'm back off hiatus." - grammy family

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 23, 2010 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

no the part about using homophobic slurs to be funny...

"from the Chi, the city of hella haters, where we keep rising to the top like elevators. Hi haters I'm back off hiatus." - grammy family

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 23, 2010 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't like him at all.

But yeah I hate Bonds, Sosa, McGwire even more.

Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 23, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Also, good thing we brought Lillibridge up.

You KNOW the minor league blood tests would’ve caught him.

Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 23, 2010 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

lol

"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe

by Ahillock on Jul 23, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

i always liked sosa and mcgwire.... bonds too

I’m for bringing juicing back. things were more exciting that way

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 23, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

fuck arod.

and yeah, maybe he’s off steroids but who knows what the fuck else he may be on. also, right field in yankee stadium is 135 feet from home plate. fuck him, fuck nick swisher and the fuck the fucking yankees

hey swisher...........you know.

by BuehrleMan on Jul 23, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Not so far.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's no longer an elite offensive player, and 3B is not exactly the ideal place for an aging vet to play out a career.

They could stick him at DH in a few years, but that doesn’t make it any better.

Obviously, they’re the Yankees so “bad contract” is a bit subjective there. But, paying him 20 million in 2017 is kind of insane.

DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY

by Ozzie Montana on Jul 23, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Omar Vizquel would disagree with you

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hello outlier

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm being a selective prick

like everyone else. How’dya like me now?

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

the talk of Dunn/Fielder seems silly

Clearly, the White Sox aren’t looking for a defensive liability who can put up big Power and Walk numbers. If they did, they would have resigned Thome for cheap.

It looks like Kenny & Ozzie want a Kotsay-esque player that is actually good. All of this leads me to believe that only Luke Scott makes sense and he shouldn’t cost too much.

by shaftr on Jul 23, 2010 11:45 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Except for the whole hand injury

Then of course they could get Dunn and let him DH so his defense doesn’t matter. It might mean admitting the rotating DH was a bad idea, but it would also mean a stronger team.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

What hand injury? I thought he pulled a hammy on a HR trot.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver

by Chiburb on Jul 23, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

hand injury is dejesus

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ah ha, then bring him on.

He can bring a 50 cal with him as long as he hits the ball out of the park or at least avoids inning ending double plays at a better clip than Kotsayd’h.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

If I had any idea...

how to post a John Turturro picture from the Big Lebowski here, I’d do it.

by palehose67 on Jul 23, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good conclusion.

I agree.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shouldn't they just make Quentin the full time DH

and train Dayan up to be a right fielder? We could then get someone on the cheap to do the splits with him – errr i fink

Ollie and Stan's ability to make everyone laugh throughout their careers was truly a gift and they will never be forgotten.

by hoodlight on Jul 23, 2010 12:01 PM CDT reply actions  

i fink. therefore i fam.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver

by Chiburb on Jul 23, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

what time to you post over there?

it seems like you never sleep

something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.

-MarketMaker

by blackoutsox on Jul 23, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

well it's 18:14 now

which seems a perfectly reasonable time to post on here – maybe I’m missing something!
I get to see the games on a weekend and day games – the west coast games I often catch the end as I get up early to put the cat out and get ready to cycle to work.
Any other game I miss cos I’m asleep

by hoodlight on Jul 23, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

not chicago tough.

also, if you have time, please explain to me how transfers work in the epl. is it sometimes as simple as a player saying “i want to play somewhere else”? what the hell is milner up to? seems he’s fucking with my man o’neill.

hey swisher...........you know.

by BuehrleMan on Jul 23, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes it is that simple

agent goes to club and says ’ my man wants a move ’ – after that 99 times out of a hundred he leaves. Milner is off because at Manchester City he (and his agent) will have more money than most people can dream of.

by hoodlight on Jul 23, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

can you explain the "on loan" aspect of soccer?

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes

player can’t get a game because he usually plays for a top club and his position is being filled by a better player, another club will ‘loan’ that player by paying his salary although the contract is still owned by the parent club. Player gets more competitive experience – which helps the top clubs and they save a few bob as well.

by hoodlight on Jul 23, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

english: we speak it differently

but i get it, thanks man!

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

how is that usually received over there?

players over here don’t often just come out and say something like that. (except for buehrle of course who wants to be on the cardinals) if a player over here who is under contract, just before a season began, said something like “i want to play for the red sox” he would get crucified.

hey swisher...........you know.

by BuehrleMan on Jul 23, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

the teams with the most money always get their man

they will get a load of shit once a season when they play at the old club – but it’s commonplace, the top players get to play for whoever they want to – the contracts mean fuck all

by hoodlight on Jul 23, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is Chris Paul getting crucified?

I dont see it.

you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM

by e-gus on Jul 23, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

He is by the national press.

But he also plays in a small market. I have no idea what the NO press/patrons are saying.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

He is by the national press.

But he also plays in a small market. I have no idea what the NO press/patrons are saying.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

nobody cares about basketball.

and by nobody, i mean me.

hey swisher...........you know.

by BuehrleMan on Jul 23, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

aw c'mon buddy

i think youre somebody

you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM

by e-gus on Jul 23, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or why not give Viciedo some time at DH?

No sense in Kotsay taking away good ABs and causing double playing ending innings.

"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe

by Ahillock on Jul 23, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I could get on board with that too.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Low risk.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

inning ending double plays though

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

garret jones?

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 12:17 PM CDT reply actions  

no but he can play a corner spot

and hit for some power

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

pass

you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM

by e-gus on Jul 23, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you, Cheat.

It may have taken you a month to reply to my plea on the SSS facebook board, but you were wise to wait. Since I’ve asked for this guide, Peavy and Raaaaandy have gone down, Nix has been waived, Hudson has come up, Viciedo has come up, and Threets has come up. The landscape has changed, and our trade chits have changed as well.

I also like that you realize that the Sox should target a bat capable of playing RF better than Q! I was tired of carrying the banner for that discussion.

After DeJesus got hurt, my target list looks like (in order of my preferences based on what it would cost to acquire, what they would provide offensively and defensively):

1) Shin-Soo Choo
2) Luke Scott
3) Marlon Byrd
4) Lance Berkman
5) Corey Hart
6) Garrett Jones
7) Adam LaRoche
8) Russell Branyan
9) Adam Dunn
10) Prince Fielder

I simply don’t see Dunn or Fielder coming here. The price is just too much, that’s why they’re at the bottom of my list.

Now, no one mentioned Shin-Soo Choo. Cleveland is pretty bad, and Choo is arb-eligible (again? or a frea agent?) after this year. He’s currently on the DL with a thumb injury, but expected to be back soon. The one hurdle is Scott Boras. Choo can likely make some bigger bucks after this year, but we’re only caring about this year.

Then there’s Marlon Byrd. Cubs are out of it, and Byrd is an unnecessary luxury for a team that ain’t going anywhere. Tyler Colvin needs AB’s every day. Byrd’s contract, while not unfriendly for the Cubs in 2011, looks better for the White Sox. Cubs aren’t competing in 2011 either with a new manager and likely a revamped roster.

Garrett Jones ain’t not spring chicken, either. He’s arbitration eligible again next year, I believe, too. Pirates may be willing to move him for some younger prospects. Morel, maybe? ZiPS (RoS) looks pretty favorable for him.

So there you go. Threw in some more names for you. Before ya’ll go ape-shit over my Shin-Soo Choo, Byrd, and Jones comments, consider how much they’re asking for Dunn and Fielder. We’d be robbing Peter to pay Paul.

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 23, 2010 12:19 PM CDT reply actions  

choo would be wonderfull

and ive thought it a few times, then i think theres no way in shit the injuns send him to us

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why wouldn't they?

He just turned 28
Do you see the Indians playing .500 baseball next year? Or even in 2012?
They tried working out a long-term deal this off-season, and Boras balked at their offers. He’s entering his final arb-eligible season, and Boras will be asking for a substantial raise from $475K.

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 23, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Inter-division.

KW and Schapiro are pretty competitive folks. I doubt this happens.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I doubt it happens too.

But it makes a lot of sense to at least ask and pursue it.

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 23, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Kenny should choo choo choose him

"Unemployment benefits are creating jobs faster than practically any other program...It injects demand into the economy... It creates jobs faster than almost any other initiative you can name."
- House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (7/1/10) – God help us.

by tailgater on Jul 23, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Embracing your sig,

I am going to help grow the economy by quitting my job and going on unemployment.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hell yes...126 weeks of free money! Why not?

"Unemployment benefits are creating jobs faster than practically any other program...It injects demand into the economy... It creates jobs faster than almost any other initiative you can name."
- House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (7/1/10) – God help us.

by tailgater on Jul 23, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am off today,

wasting my day with you guys. And I don’t post from work – the site is blocked. Fucking China. I can mobile post, but I type worse on a BlackBerry than my laptop.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Those rat bastards.

"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox

by RWShow on Jul 23, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

your coworkers probably wonder why it takes you a half hour to take a shit.

little do they know you are battling WTGTD on South Side Sox Sb nation blog.

"from the Chi, the city of hella haters, where we keep rising to the top like elevators. Hi haters I'm back off hiatus." - grammy family

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 23, 2010 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

you cant get it if you quit.

"from the Chi, the city of hella haters, where we keep rising to the top like elevators. Hi haters I'm back off hiatus." - grammy family

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 23, 2010 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Looks like you have a future in unemployment consulting, sir.

Put down the pipe and market yourself.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

you can only get it if you are laid off i believe?

or if you tear a colleague a new asshole in an email.

"from the Chi, the city of hella haters, where we keep rising to the top like elevators. Hi haters I'm back off hiatus." - grammy family

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 23, 2010 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, you cannot collect if you quit or are terminated for cause.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

in illinois

you would go before a judge to determine the legitimacy of your case.

"from the Chi, the city of hella haters, where we keep rising to the top like elevators. Hi haters I'm back off hiatus." - grammy family

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 23, 2010 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

if you quit your job...

"from the Chi, the city of hella haters, where we keep rising to the top like elevators. Hi haters I'm back off hiatus." - grammy family

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 23, 2010 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

you are a cold hearted son of a bitch

if you don’t support the extension.

You never truly know someone’s situation. Not everyone is sitting on their ass not looking…

"from the Chi, the city of hella haters, where we keep rising to the top like elevators. Hi haters I'm back off hiatus." - grammy family

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 23, 2010 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah. His comment almost makes me want to unleash the fury thru my keyboard

Total ignorance from someone who hasn’t been laid off and can’t find a job.

Unemployment “benefits” are below poverty level pay. Yes, below poverty level. It’s not like people sit on their ass, enjoy their benefits, and go out livin’ the life. Sittin’ on their ass all day, smokin’ weed, sippin’ beer, and golfing or some shit. Try living on $800 a month. You’ll see how quickly you can’t afford to pay for prescriptions, health/dental/car/life/rental insurances, car payments, electricity, etc. Breaking the bank to go out to eat is going to Applebee’s and splitting a 2 for $20 with someone.

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 23, 2010 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wasn't talking about WU's comment, fyi

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 23, 2010 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Doesn't he still have service time to fulfill in Korea though.

Also, where was Jayson Werth? I’d take him even over service free Choo.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

whoosh

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, should have kept reading first.

This is what happens when you leave for lunch

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I left off Werth because I don't think the Phils are moving him this season.

They’ve reportedly been asking a lot. Something that would take away substantially from the 2010 White Sox 25 man roster. That’s why I left him off.

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 23, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would give up Q for him

Which is as good a deal as what they reportedly asked from Tampa with B.J. Upton.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

You'd give up Q! for Werth?

Okay. So we’re still DH-ing Kotsay/Jones. You going to leave them, or trade more for a DH?

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 23, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Use prospects to get a DH like Scott or Dunn.

I still think Washington will come down on asking price the longer he stalls extension talks.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

how in the holy fuck is Werth better than Q?

you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM

by e-gus on Jul 23, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you kidding?

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Defense would be the easiest palce to go here

Health also comes to mind. You maybe lose a little slugging, but not much.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I see it as more of a push.

we need to improve, not move laterally

you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM

by e-gus on Jul 23, 2010 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Werth allows a lot more flexibility.

Q! is Dye-esque in RF. Werth plays an average RF. Getting Werth to play RF allows the Sox to go cheap and get a proper DH, like Scott. It certainly makes the team better.

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 23, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

except we have Q! beyond this year.

Which I like.

you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM

by e-gus on Jul 23, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Werth, though mired in a bit of a slump,

is at least 4 tools, if not all 5. Q is 2 – power and a decent arm. I’d take Werth if we could get him, but I doubt we can get him.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Q!s got the arm strength

but barring that one double play he had in 08 where the threw out the guy at 1st who didnt tag up, ive yet to see any accuracy.

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

or any power

"from the Chi, the city of hella haters, where we keep rising to the top like elevators. Hi haters I'm back off hiatus." - grammy family

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 23, 2010 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

No one is doing anything with Choo until they know what happening with him

Dude may miss 2 whole seasons.

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

fuck south korea.

hey swisher...........you know.

by BuehrleMan on Jul 23, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wait, what?

He’s supposed to be in the lineup today. That’s what everyone’s reporting. What are you talking about, 2 seasons? It’s a sprained thumb?

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 23, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

mandatory military commitment

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh. Man, he'll apply for U.S. citizenship

He’d be retarded not to. If not he’d be leaving soon after this season, missing 2 years of his prime. Boras will talk him into staying once he tells him how much money he’ll make.

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 23, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

You know how long it takes to become a citizen these days,

even with connections? 3-5 years.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

3-5 years? Where do you hear that from?

I’ve read 12-15 months. For normal people. The wait time is mostly because of the paperwork and interview process. He has a few HUGE advantages over the average Mexican:

He’s one of the most well-known South Korean men over here.
He has money.
His situation is unique.
His agent is Scott Boras. Aside from having an entire legal team at his disposal, among them the greatest baseball agent in the game, you telling me he can’t get him nationalized within 3-5 years?

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 23, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hear from the people who actually have hired lawyers

and are atempting to gain citizenship. There is a huge fucking logjam for green cards and citizenship apps. Huge. One of my friends is an immigration attorney, originally a Canadian citizen, and it took him 2 years – in 2001.

It’s worse now.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay... I realize estimates from the government agency are at best tenuous...

But this article is from September 2008:

USCIS link

Cleveland is listed then at 6.8 months.

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 23, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do you recall what happened 9/08?

The implosion of financial markets worldwide. Forget that estimate, and talk with people who are going through the process. Do NOT trust government “estimates”. I can’t even get GMAC to return my calls about a short sale house we are trying to buy. Red tape abounds everywhere.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

This all seems premature

I mean Choo has to want to change his citizenship.

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm just pointing out facts,

not suggesting Choo is available. I already think Schapiro will not work with Kenny.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Change citizenship? Too much paperwork.

Just hang around a couple of more years…amnesty is on the way!

"Unemployment benefits are creating jobs faster than practically any other program...It injects demand into the economy... It creates jobs faster than almost any other initiative you can name."
- House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (7/1/10) – God help us.

by tailgater on Jul 23, 2010 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

get married

it still takes that long, but gives a pass on deportation…

Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT

by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 23, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

That is a brutal, brutal suggestion.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

ha yes it is...and i dont think thats his last option as shoeless had

numerous other points…

and the 3-5 yrs or less i think may be spot on for him or other fortunate ones, but my dad was an immigration agent and i saw the norm being 5-7 yrs. shit that one lady (106 y/o i believe) who had all the anchor babys has been here decades and just received her citizenship earlier this week/last week…

Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT

by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 23, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure, I don't doubt it could take a while.

Especially if someone doesn’t stay on top of their agencies’ office. Boras would pull as many strings as possible. It would also be a national news issue. There’d be pressure.

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 23, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

You are a magical thinker.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you underestimate the national hoopla that would be raised

and also underestimate what Boras can do.

And also misunderstand that SK isn’t going to deport him this season, which is what we’re looking to improve.

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 23, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

National hoopla? Over a Cleveland baseball player?

They don’t even give a shit in Cleveland.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver

by Chiburb on Jul 23, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Outside of fantasy baseball circles

Choo is just not a celebrity of that proportion.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol. Who cares what team he plays for unless it's the Yankees or Red Sox?

It’d be receiving Favre-like attention in NY and Boston.

but ESPN would still be covering it. It’s certainly national news worthy. Anything that brings attention to South Korea and their military news worthy these days. an MLB player (who would’ve been Cleveland’s all star this year, if healthy) leaving the game mid-prime to go over there to serve would be national news

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 23, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not the knid of national news that would rile and rally U.S. citizens across the nation

to demand his instant citizenship.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

The news would be "Why Should U.S. Care About Korea When One Of Its Own Is A Draft Dodger"?

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver

by Chiburb on Jul 23, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

"American Lives At Risk So Choo Can Play Baseball"

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver

by Chiburb on Jul 23, 2010 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

2nd draft is way better

you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM

by e-gus on Jul 23, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't go that far

I think there would be a story and most people would shrug and say, “well, sucks to be him.”

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd expect the public to ask why Ted, Kenny, Carlos, Moe

and numerous others had to serve and this Korean ingrate doesn’t.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver

by Chiburb on Jul 23, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

You have a lot of faith in the public's knowledge on this subject

I think most of them would quickly realize it doesn’t effect them and move on,

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

You are misreading the public mood in a number of ways,

but you are exactly wrong in one way – the public is turning its back on celebrity “perks”. There is a ton of social acrimony towards “the rich” getting favorable treatment (about time). Your expected reaction (outcry for him to be favored) is exactly the opposite of what would happen (outcry about favoritism).

Read the papers. It is not a good time to be a favored celebrity.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol. You crotchety old man...

We’re not talking about Lindsay Lohan getting reduced jail sentences or a cushy jail. We’re not talking about an NFL quarterback getting paid millions and millions and beating women and sexually assaulting them.

We’re talking about a family man, playing a national pastime, getting paid around league minimum, who simply doesn’t want to give up 2 years of his prime to go do something where he might get shot, or even worse, killed.

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 23, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Like Ted Williams or Carlos May or numerous others?

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver

by Chiburb on Jul 23, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is one thing to accept being drafted when there is a war on

It is another when there isn’t. Unless NK invades, I think most people give him a pass on this.

by joewho112 on Jul 23, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think when you are a citizen of a country

where there is a hot zone, anda draft is part and parcel of being a citizen, you shut the fuck up if you are not a citizen of that country.

Just like I want no one from SK telling me we should have a draft. Reciprocity is a beautiful thing when it means minding your own country’s business.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

“you shut the fuck up if you are not a citizen of that country” says the guy who just posted about 20 messages on the subject

by joewho112 on Jul 23, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice riposte.

So what does it mean? Have I stated anything else that conflicts with that premise? We cantalkabout it all day – discourse is fine. But it isn’t advocating any law change.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was advocating anything

I just stated my belief that people hold different opinions of draft dodging based on whether there is an active conflict.

by joewho112 on Jul 23, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't know we were talking about draft-dodging.

I thought we were talking about someone staying in the US to play ball so we could trade for him.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's not advocating dodging.

You are inserting it into an argument.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't.

They are not equal, but they are similar. Have you been reading the papers? NK sunk SK’s submarine a couple months ago. It’s heating up. If we had a DMZ on the Canadian border you’d bet there would be a draft in this country.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I certainly did not equate that?

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 23, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

'Twas Chiburb, IIRC.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

If his country were in an open conflict, this would apply.

As it stands now, no, he’s not like Ted Williams. He’d likely spend 2 years on a ship patrolling the sea, doing training exercises, pushing papers at a desk, or maybe even patrolling a fort.

Man, everyone gets so off-topic so quickly around here. Myself included.

Damn. It still stands that Choo isn’t going to SK this season. This is all a moot point for trade discussions in this year. Did ya’ll even read the rest of my post? What about Marlon Byrd? Garrett Jones?

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 23, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Crotchety?

You’re kidding. You do realize that many countries in the world require their citizens to serve in the military – especially countries that have war zones. You also realize there is a HUGE immigration debate in this country that is stuck in the mud. There is no way on this Earth, in this time, that Shoo gets any favorable treatment to cut in front of hundreds of thousands who have waited their turn.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

What are their WOBAs?

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wish we had that actually.

you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM

by e-gus on Jul 23, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

The draft?

I don’t disagree, but I’m past the age of serving, and did not have to serve. Thus, I am playing with others’ lives and should stay out of the conversation.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think it would help a lot of people

get their heads out of their asses.

If forced into the military I doubt I piss away a solid decade partying like I did.

you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM

by e-gus on Jul 23, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

don't be so hard on yourself buddy.

i think you’re terrific.

hey swisher...........you know.

by BuehrleMan on Jul 23, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

dont get me wrong

I had A LOT of fun.

you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM

by e-gus on Jul 23, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hear you.

I was in a drum corps for 3 years until age 18. It instilled a bit of an ethic. Lots of folks I talk to only stopped partying at age 19 when arrested for a DUI or something. It shouldn’t take that in order to wake up.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

19?

try 30!

you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM

by e-gus on Jul 23, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you went into the military...

you might have come out and spent the next decade (or lifetime) drinking away your survivor guilt.

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 23, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or with enough money to go to college without a student loan and plenty of work experience to get a high-paying job once the degree was finished.

There are plenty of people who benefit immensely from service and many more who could.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

No doubt. Or you might be coming home in a coffin.

What’s your point? You do realize we are at war, right? People shoot bullets at us and bombs blow us up.

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 23, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes but the greater majority of us Veterans come home just fine.

Only 6 million of the current 23 million living veterans have service connected injuries or trauma. Far fewer have actually died from combat. No one will say the job isn’t risky, but the odds are with you and the rewards are great.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh I know.

I’ve talked to recruiters about going in as an officer as recently as 6 months ago. I know all about the benefits.

I also know that the branch you go into matters more for your safety than any rank one could possibly have going in.

As for your point, the number of veterans with PTSD in the current war is only widely guessed, but those in the Persian Gulf showed rates from 9% up to 30%.

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 23, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

You have one helluva an agenda there, Shoeless.

We were talking about Shoo. Now you are on the anti-war thing. Stick to baseball. ;)

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol. I know! these fools keep going off the tracks!

I’m trying to steer them towards the light but they keep dragging me back. That’s it. I’M DONE arguing war and politics with you all.

I write a big ass post about the people we should target in a trade, and all anyone wants to say regarding it is Choo isn’t available because he might have to go play solider for SK after this season.

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 23, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

1.5 million Veterans of those 23 million currently have mental health diagnoses

Of those, leess than 400,000 are actual cases of PTSD. Again, the odds aren’t as likely as the media make them out to be. It just makes for good ratings to show the suffering soldier. The greater majority of us vets doing just fine make for bland stories.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, and you could also be in a federal building in Oklahoma and blow up.

or having breakfast with your friends in a high rise restaurant… follow your bliss, even if involves shooting people.

"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok

by DrEmilioLizardo on Jul 23, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

until you see your best friends blown to pieces.

this isn’t the same military of the late 90s.

"from the Chi, the city of hella haters, where we keep rising to the top like elevators. Hi haters I'm back off hiatus." - grammy family

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 23, 2010 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

But the stats I gave are current.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shot?

Is South Korea fighting a war I haven’t heard about?

by joewho112 on Jul 23, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Obviously.

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 23, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol. You crotchety old man.

We’re not talking about Lindsay Lohan getting reduced jail sentences or a cushy jail. We’re not talking about an NFL quarterback getting paid millions and millions and beating women and sexually assaulting them.

We’re talking about a family man, playing a national pastime, getting paid around league minimum, who simply doesn’t want to give up 2 years of his prime to go do something where he might get shot, or even worse, killed.

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 23, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

shitty internet.

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 23, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Article

link

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay. Sure. You and WU both have marvelous doubts.

But you both seem to assume one thing based on his immigration issue:

That he’s going to be deported THIS baseball season. He’s not signed thru next year. The Sox should be focused on winning something THIS year, and Choo makes this team a lot better. This season. The 2010 White Sox. That’s all they should care about.

The Indians get something from us in place of a REALLY risky contract.

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 23, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I build teams that win now and win later

So sayeth Kenny.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Griffey, Jr? Alomar?

Not all of his singular moves plan for a season beyond the current.

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 23, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh but those are really bad examples.

I don’t want more of that.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

*lightbulb*

I’m going to start describing my site as the definitive White Sox blog, even in the face of readily apparent external evidence to the contrary.

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Jul 23, 2010 12:22 PM CDT reply actions  

You have to wait until you're "emeritus".

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver

by Chiburb on Jul 23, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

thats hilarious

you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM

by e-gus on Jul 23, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

That article is what I was trying to say a couple days ago. In a few less words.

And I don’t see why you can’t be exalted, or your blog authoritative.

The bluebird can sing, but the crow's got the soul.

by Teahenny Penny on Jul 23, 2010 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're not going to be a definitive anything until you learn how to get your links to open in new windows.

Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death

by Hazymania on Jul 24, 2010 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Flukadome

didn’t want to be a right fielder. That’s why he went to the Cubs.

I’d be trying to work a deal to get Lee.

Comonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn You White Sox!

by zokmaad on Jul 23, 2010 12:25 PM CDT reply actions  

any deal to the cubs that doesnt include fuk-u-do-me

would be a real coup

something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.

-MarketMaker

by blackoutsox on Jul 23, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

idk

linebrink for marshall. although thatd be a coup on their side

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

and hes been a right fielder the whole time hes been there

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Quentin is fragile and doesn't play enough, Jones has 54 k's and only 41 hits....

Kotsay has obp of .308, Omar Vizquel is the thirdbaseman and Jenks has 56 bb+hits in 35 innings pitched and this team is somehow in first place.

If someone would bit on “Q” I say trade him. Try to get a hitter like Dunn. Then stand pat with the starting rotation and hope that Jenks turns it around.

Mark Teahen peed in my canteen.

by SavePeavytill2010 on Jul 23, 2010 12:38 PM CDT reply actions  

fulltime? when is the last time Q was a fulltime player

would you sign Q to a long term deal?

Mark Teahen peed in my canteen.

by SavePeavytill2010 on Jul 23, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Glad you posted the "Smells" cartoon.

CS nailed it. You need to do a new “Unbreakable” with Q’s face to replace Getz.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's what makes me definitive.

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Jul 23, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

The best kept secret on the Internet.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

what the hell. go for it. take it a step further and call yours the 'only white sox blog'

people seem to be allowed to give themselves nicknames now, too, which i didn’t think could happen.

Cashing checks and having sex. Also doing some light medical diagnoses.

by MarketMaker on Jul 23, 2010 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Sting".

Sometimes it works.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know almost everyone on here thinks Q is God but....

he just can’t stay on the field, flip a coin if he will be in the lineup day to day….maybe he can be moved for a more reliable player.

Mark Teahen peed in my canteen.

by SavePeavytill2010 on Jul 23, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Like Jayson Werth?

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

You think you're better than me?

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your dad is my age, I bet,

so yeah.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep. Fill a non-hole with a non-hole.

Quit digging.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver

by Chiburb on Jul 23, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

So Quentin is a non-hole for you? I suppose you want to sign him to a long term deal?

as long as he does not have to run, swing, catch or sneeze…then I think you can get a few good years out of him

Mark Teahen peed in my canteen.

by SavePeavytill2010 on Jul 23, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Non-hole. 15 games missed so far, on pace for highest/second highest PA's in career.

There are real holes to be addressed.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver

by Chiburb on Jul 23, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes

I think he did start out in CF. But I did post that because of how it turned out. He’s a one man deal breaker.

Now in the dream/nightmare trade the Sox send Hudson, Kotsay, Lilli or Vici + prospect(s) for Zambaloni and Lee + 50 mill over 5 years.

Comonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn You White Sox!

by zokmaad on Jul 23, 2010 1:02 PM CDT reply actions  

HOLY NOTHANKYOU

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

oops

meant that as a reply

Comonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn You White Sox!

by zokmaad on Jul 23, 2010 1:02 PM CDT reply actions  

anyone see over on twinkietown

how they think they have the best rotation in the AL?

http://www.twinkietown.com/2010/7/23/1583952/the-twins-have-the-best-starters#comments

makes me laugh

"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe

by Ahillock on Jul 23, 2010 1:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Wow

I might have believed they would have this confidence more than an month ago

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Funny you linked this

Because I just going to point out with roughly 58% of the way thru the season Sox Starters are on pace for a whopping
19-20 WAR

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

He is predicting the one in 2019-2020.

You heard it here first.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

but they have nick punto?

after pavano and liriano they don’t have much…see if they get haren

Mark Teahen peed in my canteen.

by SavePeavytill2010 on Jul 23, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

hahahahahahahahahaha

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

hahahahahahahahahaha

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

You seem to have a habit of double posting lately

Are you just trying to make sure that we know what you’re trying to say? :P

"i need to watch this harry potter movie on tv on acid."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 15, 2010 3:30 PM CDT
I have witnessed the 2005 World Series championship, Mark Buehrle's perfect game, and the 2010 Chicago Blackhawks Stanley Cup championship in my lifetime.

by chisoxfan1473 on Jul 23, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Italian roast ham with herbs

some Wensleydale cheese, silverskin pickled onions, baby gherkins and queen olives stuffed with feta – and a nice glass of sicilian red.

What have you had for tea?

by hoodlight on Jul 23, 2010 1:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Not gay,

so I have no idea what you are talking about.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

when you last ate - what did you have?

I have great 2002 Rioja as well as Sicilian Barbera – excellent stuff – better than that Californian muck

by hoodlight on Jul 23, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rioja is marvelous - bought a bunch when we were in Spain.

Barbera is also nice. You have good taste, sir.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

bratwurst with mustard and hot pepper rings, some doritos, 32 oz of h2o

and a cherry yogurt

you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM

by e-gus on Jul 23, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now go kiss the wife.

Heh.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hate English fast food

it’s all crap – US stuff looks very good though – no wonder you are all so fat

by hoodlight on Jul 23, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Come to Disney.

The fattest people on the planet. And, sorry, mate, many of them are Brits. Red like lobsters.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know

we are getting just like you – obesity epidemic in UK now – food, particularly bad crappy food costs fuck all, and it never used to.

by hoodlight on Jul 23, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

My wife says I am 5 lbs.overweight. (I'm 165 lbs.)

I tell her I’m overweight in India. It’s tough to see my kid’s peer group waddling around, though. Very unhealthy country, are we.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

your wife says that judgmentally?

or just as a matter of fact, reading off a chart or something.

by Trooper on Jul 23, 2010 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

As I am shaving in the morning.

She is a stick – 105. Her context is very narrow. We argue about food all the time.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

you run though

that’s good for keeping the weight off – i cycle most days to work and back 10 miles that helps, plus I don’t eat any sweet stuff, I don’t really like it.

by hoodlight on Jul 23, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

That just made me laugh so hard.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

If she were Italian.

She’s a Jew and would sue me.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rec'd.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice

"i need to watch this harry potter movie on tv on acid."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 15, 2010 3:30 PM CDT
I have witnessed the 2005 World Series championship, Mark Buehrle's perfect game, and the 2010 Chicago Blackhawks Stanley Cup championship in my lifetime.

by chisoxfan1473 on Jul 23, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

or JUST DONT LISTEN!

"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok

by DrEmilioLizardo on Jul 23, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

whats the best thing she makes for dinner?

reservations?

Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT

by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 23, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

you touch my sister again, i'll kill you.

Cashing checks and having sex. Also doing some light medical diagnoses.

by MarketMaker on Jul 23, 2010 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Im a biscuit away from 2 bills

and therefore also a gym membership.

you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM

by e-gus on Jul 23, 2010 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

are you 30 yet?

not thats the magic #, but i think that, having a kid, and bbq is a bad combination. i held 180 steady since jr yr of highschool. turned 29 moved to kc and became a dad and havent been back since…fuck it though girls still know im fly

Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT

by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 23, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, 31 or so saw the jump from a ripped 187 to a chubby 199.

should have never given up exercise as a new years resolution that year…

you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM

by e-gus on Jul 23, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

office job got me.

started my job at 185ish right after my 25th bday.
put on 20lbs without even noticing until we got back into flag football and bball leagues.

Cashing checks and having sex. Also doing some light medical diagnoses.

by MarketMaker on Jul 23, 2010 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh yah that too

Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT

by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 23, 2010 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good work.

Effort, or just stress?

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do you have stock in Kimberly Clark,

’cause it sounds like you are doing a lot of pooping.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

heh.

speaking of stock, allow me to toot my own horn for picking up a nice hunk of amzn AH yesterday.

by Trooper on Jul 23, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, me too...

Down 18 from May. Winter was brutal on me… didn’t have my dog to walk anymore, and underemployment + netflix + cold kept me REALLY sedative this winter.

Of course today, you could go out and sweat off 5lbs.

"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat

by South Side Expat on Jul 23, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good work.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

jesus christ you guys are all small as fuck

you aren’t a man unless you are over 225.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 23, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

My gun weighs 100 lbs.

in a figurative sense, KenWo. And I have an offspring, so the man question is moot.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

nwo

you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM

by e-gus on Jul 23, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

google search- fat guy

you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM

by e-gus on Jul 23, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

reminds me of the spike jones video

from the directors cut series. cant remember the song or artist, but the kid ships himself

Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT

by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 23, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

thats it

Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT

by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 23, 2010 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Furby?

;)

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

ouch wu.....

that would involve a whole bunch of skull fucking.-BoeJouma

by furby2056 on Jul 23, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL.

I was hoping to attract you to post. It’s been awhile. :)

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

whoa whoa! who dis!

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

well played

he lurks!

you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM

by e-gus on Jul 23, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

You better be at least 6'4" or able to run through brick walls

if that is your minimum weight requirement. I’m a gym rat and I only come in at 190.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

172

but only 5’9

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

172

but only 5’9

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

damn, you guys are fragile!

6’3 230…

"from the Chi, the city of hella haters, where we keep rising to the top like elevators. Hi haters I'm back off hiatus." - grammy family

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 23, 2010 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think the term is 'husky'

you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM

by e-gus on Jul 23, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

big-boned.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver

by Chiburb on Jul 23, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes i agree with big boned....

husky means you are like 5’8 or something.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 23, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Must be all balls.

You carry it well, sailor.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

skinny arms sell it a bit

but not too far off for 6’1 i guess.

by Trooper on Jul 23, 2010 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

i passed 190 sometime in 1993.

I was 6’2 200 when i graduated 8th grade. lol

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 23, 2010 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm only 5'9

At least that explains your love for the Big Jobber, I mean Show.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not that big...

but there was a time when he had shorter hair when he could have passed for my big cousin

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 23, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I see he finally got a belt

Did he job it to an usher as he left the ring.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol that was a long time ago.

now he’s big and bald. no longer my big cousin.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 23, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

is that a ballsack!?

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

that is England's fattest man

he has a series on the TV about his exploits – believe it or not he has a girlfriend

by hoodlight on Jul 23, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

well yeah when hes packing like that!

you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM

by e-gus on Jul 23, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

He is on TV.

Of course he has a girlfriend.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

is he just sinking?

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

sinking

that’s a great song by the cure

by hoodlight on Jul 23, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

and peeing.

"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok

by DrEmilioLizardo on Jul 23, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

he got up to 65 stone

but has been on a diet lately he’s now a very respectable 40 stone

by hoodlight on Jul 23, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

how much is 65 stone? or 40 stone?

he’s gotta be at least 700

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 23, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

We know what 19 stone is.

It’s a Whole Lotta Rosie.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have a friend who was just over there for a business trip

and he described the ladies work attire as ‘stripper casual’.

so good job to you lot, however you managed to get that instituted.

you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM

by e-gus on Jul 23, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

real tight clothes, short skirts, low cut tops, stuff like that

he was impressed.

you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM

by e-gus on Jul 23, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

ok for work

yes – young women in office jobs here will all dress like that, unfortunately some of them shouldn’t. Best time walking round Leeds lunchtime is when there is a sudden downpour, you get to see some right sights, I can tell you

by hoodlight on Jul 23, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

sounds lovely

you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM

by e-gus on Jul 23, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

By "route"

do you mean anally inserted?

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Then it's all good.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

so, you're drinking a lot of the pricey stuff lately. got it.

I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok

by mick10 on Jul 23, 2010 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

special occasion.

but please, continue to live vicariously thru me.

Cashing checks and having sex. Also doing some light medical diagnoses.

by MarketMaker on Jul 23, 2010 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

no thanks.

I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok

by mick10 on Jul 23, 2010 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Perhaps you two would like to schedule a fight at the Cell.

DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY

by Ozzie Montana on Jul 23, 2010 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Set it up at Subway's.

I’m sure you could work a “fat fuck” $5 special for MM.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

i take it there was some collateral damage with the geriatric joke?

Cashing checks and having sex. Also doing some light medical diagnoses.

by MarketMaker on Jul 23, 2010 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

that was a joke?

didn’t recognize it.

I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok

by mick10 on Jul 23, 2010 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's called senility.

Cashing checks and having sex. Also doing some light medical diagnoses.

by MarketMaker on Jul 23, 2010 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

or poor attempt at humor

I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok

by mick10 on Jul 23, 2010 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

;;

"from the Chi, the city of hella haters, where we keep rising to the top like elevators. Hi haters I'm back off hiatus." - grammy family

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 23, 2010 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I missed the geriatric joke.

I was piling onto your “I’m above 185” missive. Whosh.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Man, the Dunn for Beckham or Quentin talk that Rizzo was talking was crazy.

But now Hudson’t off the table? What do the Sox have left to give that the Nats would want? Curious on Sox fans perspectives on this. FYI as a contribution to the discussion, Rizzo may be more amenable to trading him in a week or so according to Rosenthal. and elswehere with links to Buster Olney and Jayson Stark at MLbtraderumors.com .

On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.

by souldrummer on Jul 23, 2010 2:05 PM CDT reply actions  

We don't have a lot,

which is why many folks on this site think not much is going to happen except maybe a bargain-basement pickup. Nothing major.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Chris Sale. Jared Mitchell.

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 23, 2010 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

new signees can't be traded until a year after their signing

PTBNL’s have to be named in 6 months time, therefore the math doesn’t work

by The Cheat on Jul 23, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ah. Thanks.

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 23, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Again, Mitchell is untouchable.

Jordan Danks, however…

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you're saying he's untouchable because of his ankle injury (that you caused, iirc)

I’ll agree.

We all thought Gio Gonzalez and Aaron Poreda were practically untouchable too.

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 23, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

on this site...most love Quentin and Beckham, so they are untouchable

need Hudson for 5th starter spot, untouchable, lillibridge is the super utility player, untouchable…so I guess that leaves mark teahen.

Mark Teahen peed in my canteen.

by SavePeavytill2010 on Jul 23, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who is unwantable

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

certainly

I’d love to see Yankee fans riot and tear down their own stadium.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

A brittle chip is not a great chip.

It’s how we got him in the first place.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

As a one-off.

Not any more.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

cool

I would trade Q for Dunn if we could then sign Dunn longer term, but I got scolded by others on this site for even bringing it up. you know, Qperman, Qnicorn etc.

Mark Teahen peed in my canteen.

by SavePeavytill2010 on Jul 23, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Our mistake was waiting until Dan Hudson got to the bigs...

…and then having his value inflate beyond our price point. If I were the GM of the Nats, I would still target Hudson and give the White Sox a choice between taking on Craig Stammen, JD Martin, or Ross Detwiler (who the Nats will never include but I don’t believe in) to address the Chi Sox understandable 5th starter concerns in exchange for more stuff from lower in the Sox system. Sale, Flowers, Mitchell, Morel, Thompson, and Danks are the guys that I saw after Hudson and Viciedo on a White Sox prospects list here, and I’m curious about what combination Sox could part with that’s tough enough offer the Nats real value but does not take away from the current team. I’m an outsider, but my thoughts are that sometime the Sox have to find a way to stop the bleeding or replenish their system and I’m not sure whether Kenny is the right guy to do that.

Frankly, my desire is for Rizzo to hold out and see if he get another team with a better farm system in the Dunn sweepstakes, sign him to a reasonable deal before the deadline, or accept a deal with Hudson in it. I just don’t know what the White Sox can offer that’s going to make the deal work and I’d be interested in any thoughts you guys have on that.

On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.

by souldrummer on Jul 23, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sale is illegal to trade (can't even get him through on a 6th month PTBNL)

basically anyone else in the minors is acceptable though…

Hudson was untouchable (at least to this blogger — which means he’ll be traded) long before he came up. I’ve always got my eye on next year, and he’s got a rotation spot claimed. The only way to keep the payroll managable w/ Q! and Danks and to a lesser extent the to-be-traded-this-off-season Jenks all due raises next year is to keep bringing in cheap (as in near league-minimum), productive players. Financially, as much as talent-wise, that makes Hudson untouchable…

Flowers looked like he might be untouchable at the beginning of the year, but he’s shown his share of flaws — I still think he’ll be a productive MLB player, but there are going to be more growing pains than with Hudson.

by The Cheat on Jul 23, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rizzo will be holding out for whatever draft picks he gets when Dunn walks then.

Way too high a price to ask for Hudson even if he throws in some of the trash pitchers he needs to export. Dunn is still a few months rental.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know how screwed up my vision is...

…but Detwiler is a legitimate prospect. He’s projected to be a 4th starter with stuff. He’s made some quality rehab starts from a hip injury and is scheduled to come back from the DL. There are injury concerns and mechancial concerns but he had a solid callup last year.

On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.

by souldrummer on Jul 23, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

But Hudson projects as a possible two and his clock just started so not happening

Again, Rizzo gets nothing if he doesn’t deal Dunn so he can’t demand premium trades. There are a lot of buyers, but they are all loking for pitching, not a DH.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

this

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gotcha.

The word around the league is that we’re crazy and overvalue Dunn. He doesn’t get nothing. He gets the two draft picks since Dunn projects as a Type A free agent. The value of the picks has to be added to whatever deal is made. I think Rizzo’s overvaluing his ability to draft as much as he’s overvaluing Dunn.

On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.

by souldrummer on Jul 23, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

just like Bowden kept Soriano and the picks

then the current regime can keep Dunn and those two picks

Mark Teahen peed in my canteen.

by SavePeavytill2010 on Jul 23, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

That was bad process, good results.

Just got through posting on that one elsewhere. Don’t want a repeat on that scenario and I would like to think they are going to move him. I like the White Sox as a team (despite witnessing the Obama/Strasburg start in person, yikes….and the Obama hat). It would be nice if something could work out, but it’s tough given the lack of depth in the ChiSox system post Peavy.

On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.

by souldrummer on Jul 23, 2010 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gotcha...

….which is why I’m asking what else of value ChiSox fans think someone else would want.

On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.

by souldrummer on Jul 23, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nothing. Beat your drum elsewhere. We're Dunn.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver

by Chiburb on Jul 23, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

This from Merkin

“Current consequences might mean the American League Central-leading White Sox start the month of August with the same roster they have on this late July off-day. If closing a deal for Adam Dunn means trading off Gordon Beckham, then the White Sox graciously will move on. If adding a left-handed slugger such as Prince Fielder means a deal for highly ”http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100722&content_id=12514926&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws" >touted prospects such as Daniel Hudson, Flowers or Dayan Viciedo, then business soon might pick up. "

Ixnay on both those deals thanks.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 2:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Take two

<a href=“http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100722&content_id=12514926&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws” " >

Here is the link. The offending quote without a link jammed in it should read

Thompson, and Danks are the guys that I saw after Hudson and Viciedo on a White Sox prospects list here, and I’m curious about what combination Sox could part with that’s tough enough offer the Nats real value but does not take away from the current team. I’m an outsider, but my thoughts are that sometime the Sox have to find a way to stop the bleeding or replenish their system and I’m not sure whether Kenny is the right guy to do that.

Frankly, my desire is for Rizzo to hold out and see if he get another team with a better farm system in the Dunn sweepstakes, sign him to a reasonable deal before the deadline, or accept a deal with Hudson in it. I just don’t know what the White Sox can offer that’s going to make the deal work and I’d be interested in any thoughts you guys have on that.

On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.

by souldrummer on Jul 23, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
 This from Merkin "Current consequences might mean the American League Central-leading White Sox start the month of August with the same roster they have on this late July off-day. If closing a deal for Adam Dunn means trading off Gordon Beckham, then the White Sox graciously will move on. If adding a left-handed slugger such as Prince Fielder means a deal for highly touted prospects such as Daniel Hudson, Flowers or Dayan Viciedo, then business soon might pick up. "

And again I say no thanks.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now I just merged with someone elses post

And its terrible.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Try for Take three

It appears you have just copied my comment from above. I’m confused about what you’re trying to say. Would appreciate any thoughts on what a deal would look like that doesn’t include the “untouchables” currently on the White Sox 25 man roster and doesn’t offend the Nats fanbase.

On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.

by souldrummer on Jul 23, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

None.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver

by Chiburb on Jul 23, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Terrible was the confusion that resulted from the merging of our posts.

I already commented with thoughts on your ransom … I mean trade idea.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Anyone's going to overvalue their own players and undervalue others.

Hurts that there’s a lack of depth in the ChiSox system due to the Peavy trade, which was a ransom.

On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.

by souldrummer on Jul 23, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

fuck, its 5 oclock somewhere

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ha, ha!

That’s the signoff music for the Coach John Thompson radio show in DC.

On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.

by souldrummer on Jul 23, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

can you sort the link out pal

your post looks like a dogs breakfast
ta

by hoodlight on Jul 23, 2010 2:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Don't know what's going on

My computer is flipping out with each new post and it jacked up my link. I will try to fix.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

trade deadline

It’s important to get one more bat…would really balance the lineup and if Hudson just pitches ok the rest of the year….the rotation will be ok as well. I’m not ok with just standing pat though….I think we have to get a good bat in the DH role as it would not mean that AJ is the only lefty power threat on the roster.

by walterfan34 on Jul 23, 2010 2:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Hadn't thought of that. Thanks.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver

by Chiburb on Jul 23, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

meanie

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

There are kids on his lawn.

Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death

by Hazymania on Jul 24, 2010 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

call me crazy

but i dont think i would sign a huge contract if i were an elite mlb player. yeah the 7 year 120 million sounds awesome, but 7 years on the same team? if youre lucky, maybe 2 of those you make the playoffs. id much rather take a 2 or 3 year deal, and have the chance to play with more winners

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 3:01 PM CDT reply actions  

spoken like a man not offered 120 million

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

He is Gnarles Barkley "Crazy".

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol. you are hip to some extent old man :)

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 23, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

as an elite player you can still get 35-50 mil over a 3 year deal

thats a lot of cheese, sir

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

$120 MM is more.

Guys can be traded, you know. In this market, you take the biggest cheese at his age.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

at whose age?

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought we were referencing Fielder.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

nah, just big contracts

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Players are kind of keen on long-term financial security.

DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY

by Ozzie Montana on Jul 23, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

People are kind of keen on long-term financial security.

Fixed.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

perhaps players, but not so much for playaz.

Cashing checks and having sex. Also doing some light medical diagnoses.

by MarketMaker on Jul 23, 2010 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well crazy,

I’m of the ilk that the money will come but the chance to be a legend generally only falls to those who spend their playing careers largely with one team. I’d rather be a legend in a town that will forever love me than a rich mercenary everyone ends up forgetting.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

okay, now thats a good argument

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

That is a horseshit argument.

Other than Jeter, name an icon that has stayed with the same team for his whole career. It’s about the rings. Ernie Fucking Banks would’ve traded his left nut for a championship with another team rather than being “Mr. Cub” and a loser. Ask him.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, Mariano.

"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox

by RWShow on Jul 23, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, aside from the 4 Yankees.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pujols may do it.

But your point is that it’s rare, and that’s true.

"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox

by RWShow on Jul 23, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pujols is a great example.

But St. Louis and New York are baseball towns. It’s much easier to stay there than, say, Seattle, or KC, or Texas.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

What about Buerhle?

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

ripken

I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok

by mick10 on Jul 23, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

no one pays attention to what you say, dickweed.

I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok

by mick10 on Jul 23, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

ichiro, griffey junior

george brett,

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

You need to think.

DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY

by Ozzie Montana on Jul 23, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

when you think of the legend of griffey jr, you think of seattle.

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

and when you think Thomas, you think Sox

when you think Jordan you think Bulls.

regardless of the few years with other teams playing out the string.

you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM

by e-gus on Jul 23, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

thank you, gus

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Montana - SanFran.

Willie Mays – Giants.
Favre – uh…

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

packers

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

J-E-T-S!

Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 23, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Falcons

you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM

by e-gus on Jul 23, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

winner

something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.

-MarketMaker

by blackoutsox on Jul 23, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bears

DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY

by Ozzie Montana on Jul 23, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Favorite actor Dennehy

"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat

by South Side Expat on Jul 23, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

All the more reason to do it when you can.

It would be legendary if it wasn’t rare.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

The point is it's rare

because it rarely makes sense when all the stars are aligned for the player, team, and owner.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

wouldn't that is

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

what???

ruth maris dimaggio williams yaz rose etc

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Duh. Modern players.

Modern rules/mobility/paychecks.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

frank thomas

lets stop being stupid opos

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

a legend off the top of my head who was shipped around a bit would be randy johnson

maybe clemens

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Idiot.

Same team, largely whole career was the premise.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

no, that comment was shifting back to my original statement

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which was that you agreed with justjc.

Go back to the original post by justjc. You are getting off-topic and thus not worthy of further comment. Focus.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Was Frank with the Sox his whole career?

Now who is stupid.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

he shoulda been

fucking williams. cocksucker.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 23, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

last 3 years or so are obviously omitted

he made his career with the sox. was ruth with the yankees his whole career? dont be thick with us wu!

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

That would be my point. It is rare for a variety of reasons.

I’m done with you today.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pujols.

DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY

by Ozzie Montana on Jul 23, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Youdaman.

And he’s not done yet, though I’d be surprised to see him leave St. Looie.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

name an icon?

tony gwynn… kirby puckett…. cal ripken

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 23, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don mattingly

george brett, robin young

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 23, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

gordon beckham

I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok

by mick10 on Jul 23, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

nah he's gunna be a brewer.

for prince and weeks.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 23, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

hahahaha oh?

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

The point is, it's rare.

You can name 50 players where they are “legendary” with one team. There have been thousands of players. It’s rare for a reason. And today’s market is much different than the ’80’s.

Fer Chrissakes. This is like the “telephone” game.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 23, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

That is exactly the point

That is why I would take that deal to be one of the rare few who got to become icons rather than one of the thousands who played and went on to own car dealerships man. Ernie Banks is loved way more now than he would have been if he traveled around looking for a ring every year. Granted, his love comes from a collection of douche bags, but it is still greater than that of random baseball mercenary’s career.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 23, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

cliff lee says hi

something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.

-MarketMaker

by blackoutsox on Jul 23, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

No KenWo. That's a plus

"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 23, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

the guy from SC would know about this

you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM

by e-gus on Jul 23, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

wait, where are you looking?

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

god bless you, you warmbeerdrinkingformercolonialpower genius!

"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok

by DrEmilioLizardo on Jul 23, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

saving the day, and slaying the myth of dinosaurs.

"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat

by South Side Expat on Jul 23, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

you cant hurt omar!

something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.

-MarketMaker

by blackoutsox on Jul 23, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

dejesus out for the year.

as the lady in major league said “Cross him off then”

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 23, 2010 3:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Poor Royals.

It’s give a Royals fan a hug day.

On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.

by souldrummer on Jul 23, 2010 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

OT- I'm gonna go to the store in a half hour.

After a long afternoon of drinking and woodworking while watching the DVD of the perfecto, What should I grill tonight? Suggestions?

"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat

by South Side Expat on Jul 23, 2010 4:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Hrmmm... nevermind, I cant win on this one.

"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat

by South Side Expat on Jul 23, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

mercy

Watching this team is like jerking off 10 minutes after you just jerked off - billyok

by BoeJouma on Jul 23, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

huhhuh

hey nothing wrong with woodworking while watching that beauty of a game

something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.

-MarketMaker

by blackoutsox on Jul 23, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

drinking and woodworking? yikes.

Cashing checks and having sex. Also doing some light medical diagnoses.

by MarketMaker on Jul 23, 2010 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hot summer afternoon drinking.

And only some table saw stuff as far as power tools. Making a new cabinet thingy for the bathroom that will have a specialized nook to hold a kleenex box. GIft to the lady for her B-day.
The real boozy fun comes tonight.

"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat

by South Side Expat on Jul 23, 2010 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

only some table saw stuff. thats probably the most dangerous of them all.

you might be able to make movie that yourself
depends.
by Trooper on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM

by e-gus on Jul 23, 2010 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

what the fuck is going on, 500 posts in the last few hours?

This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 23, 2010 4:57 PM CDT reply actions  

hushhh,

dont jinx it!

Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''

by OznCoop on Jul 23, 2010 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

i need baseball,

this seems like a mini all star break

Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''

by OznCoop on Jul 23, 2010 5:04 PM CDT reply actions  

This is hsa posing as Toonder.

We gonna go get a winner!

I'll only ask once that you and your adorable sweater step away from the door.

by Toonderstrook on Jul 23, 2010 5:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Give us a new thread!!!!!!!!!!

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver

by Chiburb on Jul 23, 2010 5:29 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

hmmmm

;/

how often you meddle around on my account?

jk

"from the Chi, the city of hella haters, where we keep rising to the top like elevators. Hi haters I'm back off hiatus." - grammy family

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 23, 2010 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

so youre the one who edited wtgtd's post

Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT

by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 23, 2010 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

How about a trade such as:

Quentin, Hudson, Viciedo for Prince Fielder and Corey Hart?

by Mattchoo on Jul 24, 2010 3:02 PM CDT reply actions  

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