Would You Trade Peavy For Zambrano?
This piece was originally posted by me at SB Nation Chicago because it involves both the Sox and Cubs. What say you, Sox fans? Would you do this right now, knowing the baggage both players have?
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Al Yellon
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Nope.
"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat
by South Side Expat on Jul 25, 2010 10:09 AM CDT reply actions
i think this should be our backup plan in case we can't pry zito from the giants.
Cashing checks and having sex. Also doing some light medical diagnoses.
by MarketMaker on Jul 25, 2010 10:18 AM CDT reply actions 6 recs
this pipedream should be posted on your own blog
but thanks for asking
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 25, 2010 10:34 AM CDT reply actions
I did post it there.
Not surprisingly, Cubs fans were in favor. Not surprised you guys aren’t, even though I think Z might be successful for you. Ozzie might be the one manager who could get the most out of him.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Why would anyone give up something useful for Zambrano right now?
You guys can have Linebrink for him though.
i bet they were
because the trade is in the cubs favor. Z is not worth the remainder of his contract , and that he is a headcase only reduces his value.
of course it’s not certain how peavy will recover, given the uniqueness of the injury, but from what we’ve read from the specialists, will carroll, etc, there is some reason to be hopeful he will pitch by spring training or not much later.
it may be more feasible for the sox to take on Z if the cubs ate up much of the contract, but the cubs are in this predicament because of jim hendry.
why should the sox have to pay for hendry’s mistake?
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 25, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
That's fine, maybe Ozzie could get the most out of him
But why would we trade a guy that anyone can get the most out of for him?
by Grinder in Training on Jul 25, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Id take on Zambrano
for Linebrink.
not Peavy.
Two games in this weather will cost me at least 4 chickflicks.
-Chicago Pete
I don't think zambrano could handle the unruly fans
At the cell. They are the worst kind of people.
They touched me where it hurts most... - Ozzie
by Shakey on Jul 25, 2010 11:28 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
spend some time in the bleachers of wrigley field and you may have a change of heart
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 25, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
and the security sucks
I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok
by mick10 on Jul 25, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
green
I see it's "no criminal record" night at the ballpark -- billyok before a game against the A's
I have witnessed the 2005 World Series championship, Mark Buehrle's perfect game, and the 2010 Chicago Blackhawks Stanley Cup championship in my lifetime.
by chisoxfan1473 on Jul 25, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Whosh... I hope.
"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat
by South Side Expat on Jul 25, 2010 11:38 AM CDT reply actions
And fail. Crap.
"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat
by South Side Expat on Jul 25, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is wonderful.
Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT
Jonathon Swift approves of the title of Al's SB Nation Chicago post on this.
"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat
by South Side Expat on Jul 25, 2010 12:10 PM CDT reply actions
Only if we could first detach several more muscles in Peavy's shoulder
And make sure that Zambrano brings his new prescription for Ritalin.
How about Beckham and cash to the Cubs for Alfonso Soriano while we’re at it?
by Dick Allen's batting helmet on Jul 25, 2010 12:18 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Cubs...worst big contract portfolio in baseball
Soriano, Zambrano, Fukudome, Ramirez…… nothing like your core payroll being tied up to this group of underachievers and goofs.
So who has the worst the bundle of big buck contracts? It was the Blue Jays hands down (when Rios was sucking for them) thanks to J.P. Ricciardi.
Giants have to be a contender and probably the Mets.
by Dick Allen's batting helmet on Jul 25, 2010 12:24 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
the cubs and yankees have lots of bad deals on the books. the mets have a couple.
the blue jays and giants each have 1 brutal deal on the books. otherwise, they’re fine.
Cashing checks and having sex. Also doing some light medical diagnoses.
dunno if a injury = baggage
but no
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
they're the same age, but Zambrano
has pitched worse and has a worse contract.
relatedly, everything worked out in the end for Asa Trenchard.
Fireworks: Bang?
i liked the first national treasure better.
Cashing checks and having sex. Also doing some light medical diagnoses.
Peavy must be the only player Zambrano can be traded for
This is like the 10th time I’ve heard this turd floated.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Jul 25, 2010 1:49 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
peavy for zito.
let’s try to shoot the moon.
Cashing checks and having sex. Also doing some light medical diagnoses.
can we get uribe too?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
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by Shoeless In SC on Jul 26, 2010 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions
actually uribe could help this team, he'd be a very useful super utiilty guy.
his career has actually panned out better than I thought, although moving to the NL certainly helped.
Annnnd greened.
Because you said “turd floated”.
Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 26, 2010 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Is Ozzie the Venezuelan whisperer or some shit? Why do people automatically assume Zambrano won't act like a petulant 3 year old in a Sox uniform?
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 25, 2010 2:17 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
this
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 25, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
because they're friends.
i wouldn’t buy the theory – i think zambrano obviously has impulses he can’t control – but it’s not totally off the wall to suggest that a different work environment with a spanish speaking boss who he’s friendly with could help.
I agree with this.
But then there’s the contract.
"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox
I know they're friends, but you can make an argument that it would complicate matters more than help.
Zambrano’s problem is he’s just not a great pitcher anymore. From a pure baseball standpoint it’s not a good trade, add in the histrionics it makes it a moot point.
Also, part of his value comes from the bat. You take that element out and his contract is even worse.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 25, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Good call re: bat.
Ozzie has done a good job of managing Freddy, who is family, so I do think he can keep work and personal appropriately separated.
Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT
That's what makes a great discussion, counselor.
Both sides can have equally valid points.
Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT
I HAVE NEVER REC'D SO MUCH COMEDY IN MY LIFE.
"from the Chi, the city of hella haters, where we keep rising to the top like elevators. Hi haters I'm back off hiatus." - grammy family
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 25, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
STILL TYPING UP BILLS OF LADING, HUH.
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 26, 2010 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Get real, Al.
Real sober.
Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT
by winningugly on Jul 25, 2010 2:20 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
First time through, I read that as "get sober"
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
Unfortunately, Kenny has already promised Peavy to the Mariners for Milton Bradley. Otherwise… totally!
"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox
by RWShow on Jul 25, 2010 2:32 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I'll do linebrink and teahen
for zambrano and cash
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 25, 2010 2:38 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
And by "cash"
you mean about $20 million.
"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox
teahen might be that missing bat!
"from the Chi, the city of hella haters, where we keep rising to the top like elevators. Hi haters I'm back off hiatus." - grammy family
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 25, 2010 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions
KenWoGM!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
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I think Hendry makes that deal.
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 26, 2010 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Al, sorry everyone here is being so brutal to you.
I have a question for you, are you high, drunk, or both?
"from the Chi, the city of hella haters, where we keep rising to the top like elevators. Hi haters I'm back off hiatus." - grammy family
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 25, 2010 5:03 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Have you guys gone and read the BCB version of this thread?
I can not believe people go through lives the way some of those folks must.
"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat
by South Side Expat on Jul 25, 2010 7:58 PM CDT reply actions
Not sure what you mean.
There isn’t now, ever was, nor ever shall be a fanbase as rude, arrogant and just downright asinine… as the White Sox fans. You’d swear to God their team this year is a dynasty in the making and comparable to the ‘29 Yankees. I, for one, can NOT wait ’till this team falls flat on their faces…and it’s coming.
Ron Santo – 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson – 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
by Easy Ed on Jul 25, 2010 1:01 PM EDT
The ‘29 Yankees. I’d rec this if I could.
Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT
I'm liking this guy the more I read.
Need to invite him over here:
For example… A guy with a Cubs hat on standing in line at the bank next to a guy with a Sox hat on:
Cubs’ hat guy: "How’s it going? That’s a nice run you guys are on for the past 6 weeks."
Sox hat guy: "Well, at least we won it in 2005 and ain’t had to wait since 1908 like you guys, a$$hole, so, screw you!
Cubs’ hat guy: "Alrighty then…have a nice day."
Ron Santo – 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson – 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
by Easy Ed on Jul 25, 2010 5:14 PM EDT
Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT
I have a question for Ed.
How do you sleep at night knowing Ron Santo has no legs and no HOF plaque?
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 25, 2010 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
burn
we also would have accepted:
You know who else falls flat on his face? Ron Santo
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
I love the picture of the Marguitta vs. the Trixie.
"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat
by South Side Expat on Jul 25, 2010 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I saw those earlier and got a good chuckle
Id show up on bcb but then Id feel bad about it
oh the things I could say…
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
by blackoutsox on Jul 25, 2010 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Is this a true story.
Because if it is, I have some doubts about it’s veracity. Let me send it to the lab for analysis.
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
Well, at least we won it in 2005 and ain’t had to wait since 1908 like you guys, a$$hole, so, screw you!
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Jul 26, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
After testing out the line, here's the flaw:
If this Boogeyman Sox Fan is already at the point where he’s calling a complete stranger an “a$$hole” … unprovoked … in a bank … wouldn’t they go the next step and cap it off with an F-bomb? At that point, you’re not trying to let ‘em down easy; you’re going for sheer effect. “Screw” just doesn’t do.
So there’s the hole in that anecdote. Also, I enjoyed the this post, in which the poster, attempting to point out a hilarious stereotype of Sox fans, actually becomes a stereotype of a Cub fan with the latent racism poking through.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
What, you never saw that website Gage Park Marquittas?
"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat
by South Side Expat on Jul 26, 2010 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Ladies and gentlemen, you've just described every Sox piece in "The Heckler."
HEY – IT’S SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT HAVE RICH PARENTS. LETS POINT AND LAUGH AT THEM, BROSEPH.
NOW, LET US SPEND SOME OF OUR TRUST FUND MONEY ON JAGER BOMBS, JAGER BOMBS, JAGER BOMBS.
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
Of course, the "attractive lady" is probably a model with no connection to the team whatsoever.
So I assume the poster believes the babes at the auto show really do come with the car?
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
And it's still there, so Al must be cool with this on his "family friendly" site.
"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat
by South Side Expat on Jul 26, 2010 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey WU, tell us about the 29 Yankees.
"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox
by RWShow on Jul 25, 2010 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
I make fun of a Cubs fan dissing Sox fans
and you use it as a punch line to comment on my age. Fool me one, shame on you. Fool me twice…DTM.
Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT
I would love to do the math, but I'm having some trouble.
Can I borrow your abacus?
"Before you can say 'sounds of the game,' Mark Kotsay is out." -Chris Rose
NEVER embarass the family
in front of strangers.
I now have to turn my back on you.
Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT
ahahahaha. it never gets old. unlike WU :)
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 26, 2010 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions
The 1929 Yankees were 88-66, and came in second.
There is a very real possibility that the 2010 White Sox can do the very same.
So, in a roundabout way, he’s right.
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
by 67WMAQ on Jul 26, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
not a day goes by that i don't compare the 2010 sox to the 1929 yankees.
you tell me who this team reminds you of more.
Cashing checks and having sex. Also doing some light medical diagnoses.
we might not have a ruth or a gehrig, but we got 5 leo durochers!
Cashing checks and having sex. Also doing some light medical diagnoses.
If we're going to propose goofy trades with the Cubs
how about Fukodome for Linebrink? Gives us our LHB that plays a plus RF, and he actually gets on base occasionally. They’d have to eat some of his salary, but they seem willing to do that.
If Ozzie can’t stomach bringing Linebrink out the last two games get rid of him – now.
I am become Q! Destroyer of Worlds
linebrink did pitch on saturday.
i think i wouldn’t mind this. linebrink is replacement levelish so you’re essentially pissing away his salary ($5.5M next season). fukudome makes $13.5M next season. not sure if fukudome will be worth the net difference but it probably won’t be too far off. if they kick in some salary, that would obviously bridge the gap but i’m not sure they would.
Linebrink finally got in that game?
Then looks like he’s been relegated to 3rd mop-up behind Pena and Threets.
KW made a hard run at Fukodome when he was FA, and you know how he loves to get his man. Plus Ozzie wouldn’t complain about him because he can actually play a position. He’d definitely be a big upgrade over Kotsay, brings a lot more offense AND he can play RF so we can stick Q at DH more often w/o running Andruw Jones out there.
I am become Q! Destroyer of Worlds
by ChicagoPete on Jul 26, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
i wouldn't mind bringing him over at all. would provide some much needed obp. he's a pretty ideal 1/2 hitter.
Cashing checks and having sex. Also doing some light medical diagnoses.
I would not mind this trade, and it actually does make a fair amount of sense if the Cubs kick some salary our way.
But I swear, If I end up seeing even one White Sox fan with one of those stupid head bands, I’m gonna lose it.
"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat
by South Side Expat on Jul 26, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
I would also be in favor of this trade.
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
this man is crazy, that will never happen.
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by pierzynskirules on Jul 26, 2010 2:37 PM CDT reply actions
Thanks Al. This was an entertaining discussion
Though not for the reasons you were hoping for, I imagine.
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 26, 2010 11:45 PM CDT reply actions
Wow! Honestly, I like Carlos Zambrano. He’s got the ferocity and pitch command to dominate! And I can live with him handling anger management issues. As long as the White Sox can fix those outrage problems, and Big Z and Ozzie don’t get into a shouting match…
DO THIS TRADE!!!!
Jake Peavy is so fragile that a thread may injure him at any point! He’s eating up roster space and salaries!
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