PHP: Sox Running Into Trouble?
So I was perusing Baseball Prospectus’ cool baserunning numbers and came across an interesting factoid. The White Sox are second in the league behind Tampa Bay in stolen base opportunities with 138. (Stolen base opportunities: SB + CS + Pickoffs). They’re doing a lot of running, as I’m sure most of you have noticed. This is the year of Ozzieball, after all.
The White Sox have the second most steals of any team in the majors, but are also first in the dubious caught stealing category. So this return to Go-Go Soxdom is costing the team. BP’s stat, Equivalent Stolen Base Runs, has the White Sox 28th in the majors overall with -6.42 runs.
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Pierre leads the league in opportunities, and has half a run to show for it. For a frame of reference, the top three are Chris Young, Michael Bourn and Chone Figgins. Young’s been worth 2.75 runs. Bourn and Figgins are +2.5 Rios is 10th overall in opportunities and has cost the club a run, as he’s been caught 10 times. Alexei has been caught stealing 6 times in 12 opportunities. For a player who has pretty good speed, he’s far from fully capitalizing on it.
The general sabermetric rule of thumb when it comes to steals is that teams need to have about a 70% or so to just break even. The team is not even breaking even, so far all the running has just had a negative impact.
There’s nothing wrong with trying to wreak some havoc on the basepaths, but it’s better to pick your spots wisely. So far the Sox haven’t done that.
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does it take into account (or would it be helpful) to include throwing errors on steal attempts as +2 bases instead of 1?
if the theory is that the SBs put pressure on the defense, then shouldn’t there be some acknowledgement of that occasionally helping?
i’m just thinking that if someone attempts to steal 2nd and the catcher throws the ball away, then the runner has stolen more than 1 base in some ways.
Cashing checks and having sex. Also doing some light medical diagnoses.
Negligible. You're talking what, five extra bases at most?
Separate question — does WAR factor in SBs and CSs?
shoulda read this before replying
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
5 extra bases would be negligible? how many attempts are we assuming here? that's a fair amount of advancement.
Cashing checks and having sex. Also doing some light medical diagnoses.
Just to clarify -- you're talking about situations where the catcher throws the ball into CF and the baserunner advances to third, right?
or if the pitcher throws one down the RF line? I can’t imagine that’s happened more than a handful of times this year. Maybe five is too low and you can stretch it to a few more. In any case, if you assume .5 runs per throwing error (not sure if that’s fair or not, but back-of-the-napkin it seems right), you’re talking something like half-a-win.
another factor would have to be hit and runs
they have had some success with this recently, which should add to bases MM is referring to. The CS’s are there when they dont make contact,
….I’m super gay and love the cubbies!
Two games in this weather will cost me at least 4 chickflicks.
-Chicago Pete
by e-gus on Jul 25, 2010 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I do feel like thanks to the subpar play of Kotsay'dh and some others,
They have a complete inability to protect the plate, resulting in some botched hit and runs.
Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 26, 2010 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Harder to hit and run
When the other team is expecting it. Even Kotsay can foul one off most of the time on the hit and run as long as it’s not a pitch out / completely out of the zone.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 26, 2010 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions
They do seem to pitch out our hit and runs quite often.
Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 26, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
ergh
They do seem topitchbitch out our hit and runs quite often
still theres nothing better then when the corners are playing in, the MI is pinching the hole, and the ball finds its way through the gap on either side…dont stop now boys
….I’m super gay and love the cubbies! by e-gus on Jul 25, 2010 9:33 PM CDT
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 26, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
the wife strikes again
….I’m super gay and love the cubbies!
Two games in this weather will cost me at least 4 chickflicks.
-Chicago Pete
The best part is that no one questioned it.
"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat
by South Side Expat on Jul 26, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
that is funny.
she asked me last night if I saw her post and I didnt know wtf she was talking about.
I looked at recent activity and from the beginning of every comment it looked like all my stuff, I guess I didnt hit send and walked away though.
not so sure if shes a keeper anymore though.
theres a good chance she wears a M’s shirt tonight since shes from Seattle.
grounds for divorce.
Two games in this weather will cost me at least 4 chickflicks.
-Chicago Pete
Man, and the woman in that picture isn't even wearing an M's shirt.
Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 26, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Ive heard that discussed on here before
does the threat of stealing affect the pitcher and catcher to the point where you gain a numerical advantage. I may not remember correctly but it was concluded that it was neglible
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
rios was doing amazing on the basepaths
then he got caught like 10 times in a row
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
How many games has this cost us so far?
We have never – never – been efficient on the basepaths under Ozzie, IIRC. Even in 2005 we were average, I believe.
Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT
Thanks.
I am shock that you did not mention the most obvious fact buried in those statistics: Donny Lucy is the smartest baserunner in our system.
Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT
just took a drive to clear my mind of this game and mentally prepare for the Club
I was jamming to Ratt, Quiet Riot and Motley Crue like it was 1987……
Kenwo4life=ratings
Were you a good driver when you were 7?
;-)
"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox
i don't know... i was too high on coke to remember.
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 25, 2010 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
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….I’m super gay and love the cubbies! by e-gus on Jul 25, 2010 9:33 PM CDT
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 26, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
You nee to
mentally prepare for the Club?
"....we have to find a way to win. And good teams do that."
Tomas Kopecky May 29, 2010
absolutely....
its scary to see what the morons who are running my favorite team are thinking.
Kenwo4life=ratings
LOL. That is outstanding.
Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT
nice!
rec’d!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
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But we try SO HARD!
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Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 26, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
so that was pretty interesting i suppose....
more so than last week at least. I would have thought they would be a little more excited that Sale dropped to them
Kenwo4life=ratings
I think they didnt want to tip their hand with Sale.
but yeah that was a pretty reserved reaction to landing him.
Two games in this weather will cost me at least 4 chickflicks.
-Chicago Pete
Let's talk more about how much Juan Pierre sucks. Batting line since the ASG
.189/.268/.216
This teams needs a bat.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
calm down and listen to some tears for fears.
its a rough stretch… he’ll get back to producing his usual average line.
Kenwo4life=ratings
If his average line was good
I’d feel better about your statement.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 26, 2010 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions
.179/.333/.321
we should get the guy who has that line since the ASG. and have him in the lead off position.
I'm currently looking for the last White Sox player to post such a low ISO in so many PAs (>400)
at times like this, I wish had bb-ref PI. Anyways, the closest two I found in the last decade were — perhaps not surprisingly — Podsednik in 2005 (ISO of .059) and Willie Harris in 2004 (.061). Pierre is about as punchless as can be. His “hot streak” was exactly as you’d figure — his weakly hit grounders started finding holes.
Juan Pierre is golden... for some reason.
I haven’t heard Ozzie make any pointed remarks about Pierre’s suckatude. Unless his OBP is .350+ what’s the effing point?
by Dick Allen's batting helmet on Jul 25, 2010 10:25 PM CDT reply actions
I figg'rd I'd throw a specific match up in the over-argued Pierre vs. Pods debate...
So Pods hit two out yesterday, giving him 5 ‘fer the season. (I’m going with the theory that since he changed his stance early last season that he made the leap from being abominable to simply shitty in the power department.)
And Pierre is in that unfathomable realm of big league regulars who project for fewer HR’s on the season than your average NL starting pitcher.
Now Pods plays defense like he’s wearing uncomfortable women’s underwear.
While Pierre has been a rag-armed dazzler in LF this year.
… So which is more frustrating coming from your LF/“leadoff” position?
Impossibly weak power or quadriplegic defense?
Paying Pierre 10 million over two years, and giving the Dodgers anything of value
Is more frustrating than paying Pods 1.75 million. Watching Pods get caught stealing all the time with bad defense isn’t very fun either, but at least it was a cheap one year deal.
It’s almost as bad as thinking that it would be smart to go into the season with Mark Kotsay as your DH.
The worst thing about the White Sox problems, is that they weren’t made because they couldn’t afford a better option, or that there was a lack of alternatives. It was a conscious decision to be bad at baseball. That is what is most frustrating.
When you go into a season, and your plan for success revolves around your pitching staff covering up the holes you’ve made on purpose, instead of just cheaply filling those holes, you’ve probably had a bad offseason.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 26, 2010 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions
aren't the dodgers paying a large chunk of the $10 mill, or is that what we're on the hook for?
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 26, 2010 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions
This is from Cot's
acquired by Chicago White Sox in trade from LA Dodgers 12/15/09, with Dodgers paying $10.5M of $18.5M left on Pierre’s deal ($7M in 2010, $3.5M in 2011)
Assuming it’s correct, 8 million over two years, not 10, so I was off a bit. Still a lot more than Pods makes, which was the point though.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 26, 2010 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions
seems to me they are in first place in their division in late july.
maybe their offseason wasn’t so bad? maybe you’re not as smart as you think you are?
I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok
So your theory is that they're in first because of Omar Vizquel, Andrus Jones Juan Pierre and Mark Teahan?
I going to say that your empirically wrong and not smart. End of discussion
you are forgetting
kotsay= game changer
"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe
The sooner we slap a contract extension on there,
The better I will feel.
Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 26, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Preferrably backloaded with a no trade clause
Or the full Hendry as its known
by joewho112 on Jul 26, 2010 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Also add in a no-retirement clause.
We gotta lock this guy in.
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 26, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
The full Hendry.
I like that.
"Before you can say 'sounds of the game,' Mark Kotsay is out." -Chris Rose
by Teahenny Penny on Jul 26, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
that's my theory, bitch.
I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok
I think he's the clubhouse dog?
I saw he has a twitter.
Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 26, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Never thought I'd see the day when Pods has a multi-homer game.
Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 26, 2010 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions
the first one was right off of the LF foul pole at Yankee Stadium
It was a two run shot only b/c the ump for some reason called Getz safe at 2nd when Jeter clearly pushed his hand off the bag on a headfirst slide.
a pitch or two later Scotty hit career HR #39
he'd done it twice before
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
"they weren’t made because they couldn’t afford a better option, or that there was a lack of alternatives. It was a conscious decision to be bad at baseball."
I like that line.
Do you remember Ozzie’s refrain back then?
“We’re going to be just like the Angels.”
Then sign fucking Vlad if you want to be the Angels.
the further we get in this season, the more Chiburb's slogan rings true...
Even if it works, its stupid.
His name is Rios and he dances on the sand
Ironic. I brought this up with a buddy this weekend and reminded him of the baserunning section
of May Review.
52 sbs and 22 caught stealing for a 70% conversion rate. That is headed in the wrong direction and is becoming counterproductive. Here is the real problem though. Compare the White Sox speed with Tampa. In addition to the Rays having more steals and less times caught they both have negative overall SB scores. Most teams do. However the Rays have extremely high hit and misc advancement opportunity scores. They also don’t make dumb outs. It’s things like that helping them to a team score of +5.7 instead of a negative.
June’s Baserunning review
Of the -5.9 team score -4 of it is the stolen base component. There is no doubt the overall team speed is better than past years but as we feared the stolen base has become a negative. There are only so many legitimate hitters on this team any and they cannot afford to give away outs. Slow down Ozzie. In June they were 20 out 34. That’s ridiculous. Also puzzling is the negative hit advancement score. I thought that was the whole point of no Thome? The real fear is that after crushing the National League the Sox “forget” they play in the AL and don’t adjust their style. Kotsay is not fast. It doesn’t matter what angle he takes rounding the bag.
That gap continues to grow and Larry pretty much just gave me July’s.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Geez Alexei after the latest update for UZR he's up to a lofty
10.0 for the year. Rios has gone in the opposite direction (which for my eyeball test) does not surprise me.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
so i know i dont really know you guys and that this thread is talking about the sox's recent struggles, but....
i need you guys help. my gramma is really sick in the ICU. i drove 6 hours in the middle of the night last night to be here with family because things really arent looking positive. she needs surgery, but cant have it because they also need her on blood thinners. im scared to death of loosing the last grandparent i have. so what i need from you guys are positive thoughts sent her way. luckily i have a huge family sow e have a good support system for her here, but any extra thoughts/prayers would be good.
alright, thanks for hearing me. go sox(both her and my pappy are sox fans. lived in wheaton, il for a long time)
"October is not only a beautiful month but marks the precious yet fleeting overlap of hockey, baseball, basketball, and football." ~Jason Love
My thoughts and prayers are for you, your grandma and family.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Hope all ends up well.
"Before you can say 'sounds of the game,' Mark Kotsay is out." -Chris Rose
by Teahenny Penny on Jul 26, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
will do
….I’m super gay and love the cubbies! by e-gus on Jul 25, 2010 9:33 PM CDT
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 26, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Mark Teahen is expected to start a rehab assignment within 10 days. He’s just starting baseball activities, but the White Sox are hoping to get a good idea of when and how he’ll come back this week
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=11574
well, there's the problem right there. the guy is in his late 20s and he's just now starting baseball activities.
no wonder he sucks.
Cashing checks and having sex. Also doing some light medical diagnoses.
by MarketMaker on Jul 26, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The sky is falling.
"Before you can say 'sounds of the game,' Mark Kotsay is out." -Chris Rose
by Teahenny Penny on Jul 26, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Get him practicing...........
stealing bases.
"....we have to find a way to win. And good teams do that."
Tomas Kopecky May 29, 2010
fuck you too ozzie
on not picking up thome:
“To me it was a chance to change the scenario and create more ways to score runs, and we’re doing it,”
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 26, 2010 10:34 AM CDT reply actions
welcome to MLB
home of tradition and belief systems.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Why can't these fuckers go to church.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 26, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
i thought he was venezuelan?
I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok
He's sanitarian.
Or however the hell you spell it.
Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 26, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Santeria. Whatever close enough.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santer%C3%ADa
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 26, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions
haha, i know...
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 26, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
He just doesn't want to admit he's wrong.
Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 26, 2010 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Nice try, Ozzie.
July 25,
2009 – 98 games – 447 runs
2010 – 97 games – 435 runs
Do the fucking math.
"....we have to find a way to win. And good teams do that."
Tomas Kopecky May 29, 2010
doesn't tell me anything about the ways in which we score runs.
I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok
yeah distribution could be better
I haven’t checked.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Ozzie says he didn't want Thome cuz he loves him.
And a bunch of other crap too:
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/2533008,adam-dunn-white-sox-trade-26.article
(Sorry for linking to Cowley, but at least there isn’t the usual shit-stirring. Just letting Ozzie speak. You really should read the whole thing.)
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver
3 way deal?
Rumblings continue to surface about a possible three-team deal involving the Nationals, White Sox and Diamondbacks that would send Edwin Jackson to Washington, Adam Dunn to Chicago and a bunch of young pitchers to Arizona.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/07/edwin-jacksonadam-dunn-threeteam-rumor.html
Please find Jay Cutler some help...
me likey!
dont trade hudson, they cant trade sale, anyone else can go bye bye
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
by blackoutsox on Jul 26, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
agreed.
like this very much. can we send kotsay bye bye?
"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe
It's the "bunch of young players"
That I find vague and unsettling
by OMFS88 on Jul 26, 2010 11:59 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
"bunch of young pitchers"
not exactly us
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Linebrink is 33
Sounds young enough to me.
"Unemployment benefits are creating jobs faster than practically any other program...It injects demand into the economy... It creates jobs faster than almost any other initiative you can name."
- House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (7/1/10) – God help us.
by tailgater on Jul 26, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
why not green?
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
by blackoutsox on Jul 26, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
someone make this green
"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe
nunez, hudson?
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 26, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
nunez, marquez?
"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe
santos?
"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe
i can see this, sad should it happen..
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 26, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
if jenks decides not to get out of his funk
we might need santos
"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe
I'd be shocked if Hudson were traded.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
come on man he's the 2nd coming of danny wright
it will save us all a lot of expectations and heartache if we dump the cocksucker
Kenwo4life=ratings
and this kid's just a kid.
freddy is our 4 and hudson is our 5, they both pitched like it
i’m gone... bye bitches. - wtgtd
game wasn't big enough.
"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat
by South Side Expat on Jul 26, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
no he's not
and haven’t you had enough about statements on young pitchers Mr Danks and Floyd???
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Wright was injured
And not the guy Hudson was anyways.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 26, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
The nice thing about that
Is the White Sox don’t have a bunch of good young pitchers. If they want to take a bunch of bad pitchers from the White Sox for Adam Dunn, I don’t think I’m going to lose any sleep over it.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 26, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
The Diamondbacks
didn’t get an overwhelming return from the Angels either. I read the article on Fangraphs and realize Skaggs and Corbin are decent prospects but some people were shocked that is all it took.
There's a lesson to be learned here..
Do not fire your GM a month before the trade deadline.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 26, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
maybe we could send Pena back
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
let's not get carried away.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
I didn't look at it from that angle
just the trade itself. I expect Pena to prove more value for the next couple years but it was probably a waste of resources. I do have my doubts about what Allen would do in the majors this year. He’s in an extreme hitters situation and his cup of coffee didnt go well.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
this season?
probably pretty similar. allen would probably have gotten a slight edge because of his power. but, of course, allen stunk pretty badly in his debut last season and there’s a lot more variance around his projections than kotsay’s.
x
Two games in this weather will cost me at least 4 chickflicks.
-Chicago Pete
by e-gus on Jul 26, 2010 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
this is great
"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe
I tried to describe this picture to a friend,
But every time i got past “a four” I just started laughing out loud picturing it.
I’m totally going to hell.
Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 26, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Id love to know this pictures origin story.
Two games in this weather will cost me at least 4 chickflicks.
-Chicago Pete
I belive a ching-chong potato is a chinese dish.
He was probably just hungry.
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 26, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
sounds good to me
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
well tommy hanson switched agents to boras
i guess that means we wont ever get him….
Kenwo4life=ratings
rosenthal
Attention, Fukudome shoppers: Source says #Cubs would pay part of $4M-plus left this year and “quite a bit” of $13.5M salary next year. #MLB
i’m gone... bye bitches. - wtgtd
really? even when they are willing to eat a bunch of money?
put him in right, and dh Q!. seems like an ok idea to me
i’m gone... bye bitches. - wtgtd
Would not mind.
Would not love, but would not mind, either. Walker’ll fix ’em.
"Before you can say 'sounds of the game,' Mark Kotsay is out." -Chris Rose
by Teahenny Penny on Jul 26, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
exactly my mindset
prefer dunn, but this is more of a why not type move
i’m gone... bye bitches. - wtgtd
I would rather have Fukudome in right with some sort of actual DH.
"Before you can say 'sounds of the game,' Mark Kotsay is out." -Chris Rose
by Teahenny Penny on Jul 26, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, yeah. If he's healthy and not a mindfuck.
"Before you can say 'sounds of the game,' Mark Kotsay is out." -Chris Rose
by Teahenny Penny on Jul 26, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
If you believe WAR, Fukodome has only been half-a-win better than Pierre this year
seems pointless to me. I’d do it if it’s Teahen + Pierre for Fukodome, but i doubt the Cubs do that.
so youd be in favor of this too?
if the dunn thing doesnt work out, that is?
i’m gone... bye bitches. - wtgtd
if they ate enough money
I’d be in favor of it.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
This.
"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat
by South Side Expat on Jul 26, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
He figures to be worth around $8 MM (assuming close to 2WAR)
He is due $13.5 MM. If the Cubs ate half, I’d do it.
Pierre7, Vizquel5, Rios8, PK 3, Q 9, Kotsay dh, AJ2, Ram 6, Beckham4. Danks pitching.
i’m gone... bye bitches. - wtgtd
Damn you, ground into double Plotsay.
Oh well. It’ll be fun tonight.
"Before you can say 'sounds of the game,' Mark Kotsay is out." -Chris Rose
by Teahenny Penny on Jul 26, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Pierre, Kotsay, AJ..
For a first place team.. they sure do have a lot of shitty players.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 26, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
That would mean the divisonal opponents have more
Castro does deserve more abs though.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
go to the game
I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok
by mick10 on Jul 26, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
you better hurry
I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok
by mick10 on Jul 26, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
get a cord long enough to reach an out-of-market area. Thats what I do.
His name is Rios and he dances on the sand
by Nordhagen on Jul 26, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
you used to (i.e. up to this year) be able to get around it via proxies, but they may have caught wise to that
gave me fits trying to set it up during cubs-sox FOX game, eventually punted and just listened to the streaming audio and threw enhanced gameday on the tee vee.
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Jul 26, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
how dangerous can a bar in desmoines be?
I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok
The only way I install something that a web site like that asks me to is if I'm trying to get more porn.
"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat
by South Side Expat on Jul 26, 2010 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions
You kidnapped King Felix?
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 26, 2010 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Is Bacon summoning the spirit of Brian Anderson against King Felix?
I see it's "no criminal record" night at the ballpark -- billyok before a game against the A's
I have witnessed the 2005 World Series championship, Mark Buehrle's perfect game, and the 2010 Chicago Blackhawks Stanley Cup championship in my lifetime.
by chisoxfan1473 on Jul 26, 2010 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions
FYI, the Sox game is MLBAB's freebie of the night.
Don’t know if that helps in Iowa or not.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver
by Chiburb on Jul 26, 2010 6:02 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
How many teams
are negative?
National league?
American league?
Comonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn You White Sox!
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