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Danks Picks Up Mariners Right Where He Left 'Em

Simply dominant, even without all the K's.

Smooth sailing for John Danks tonight, who made quick work of the Mariners offense only six days since the last time he thoroughly enjoyed facing them.  And this time without all the noms.

The top of the 3rd inning was but a hiccup on a night that Sox pitching otherwise breezed through the M's offense with all the grace and swiftness of a team that didn't just lose two relatively unpleasantly-pitched games in an empty concrete bowl in Oakland.    

Plus the offense put up enough runs to pull off a Danks winner, though that may not come close to consoling poor Mark Kotsay, who had a hard rip down the right side snabbed by Kotchman for an un assisted double-play in his first at-bat, and a home run stolen by Ichiro in the 6th.   Finally, one of his hard shots found a hole in the 8th and put Jones on 3rd for the opportunity for insurance runs.  Which the Sox happily seized and subsequently put the game out of reach.

Laughably, the security guys interfered with a fair ball line shot off of AJ's bat in the 6th.  The looks on their faces upon realizing they tossed the in-play ball to a nice young lad in the stands were remarkable.  

Welcome home, Sox!

Star-divide

As a token of sympathy for Kotsay, I'll post this picture prior to the full Oaktown recap.  

Don't forget somebody's out there, proud to be rooting for you.... (these folks set up camp all three games).

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King Felix dethroned!

good game.. go sox!

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 27, 2010 1:25 AM CDT reply actions  

Last time

the Sox couldn’t even make contact on Felix – this game even most of the outs were hit hard. Kotsay cannot get a break at the plate or with the commentators on this blog – robbed twice.

"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain

by phastphil on Jul 27, 2010 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

what a bizarro inning

WCIU pulling a Milton and cutting to commercial with two outs, Q inexplicably half-attempting to steal second, the manly ballgirl twins letting that triple go to die, ichiro robbing kotsay, and of course the savaging of king felix

hopefully the reply button works~!

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by billyok on Jul 27, 2010 1:29 AM CDT reply actions  

replied

i’m gone... bye bitches. - wtgtd

by BoeJouma on Jul 27, 2010 1:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, shit.

From my seats near the Sea of Tranquility I thought the ball had gone of an ump and then kind of lazily made its way to the corner. Good to know it wasn’t a pro that was at fault. Also, Kotsay in no way deserved that home run, robbed or not. BABIP this and BABIP that, fuck him. He’s making outs, that was one of them. At some point hard hit balls that are caught are still excuses.

Don’t get me wrong; I’m blaming Ozzie and KW as much as Kotsay.

"Before you can say 'sounds of the game,' Mark Kotsay is out." -Chris Rose

by Teahenny Penny on Jul 27, 2010 3:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

danks is on pace for a WAR of 5.6...

…and the twins are playing better than record for the last month (13-13), leading the league in wOBA and 2nd behind the sox in FIP

This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 27, 2010 3:59 AM CDT reply actions  

Both he and Floyd are on pace for 5+ WAR seasons

Yeah the Twins have been playing better lately. Should I pound on them about competition like folks wanted to with the Pale hose? lol.

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Jul 27, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Both he and Floyd are on pace for 5+ WAR seasons

Yeah the Twins have been playing better lately. Should I pound on them about competition like folks wanted to with the Pale hose? lol.

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Jul 27, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

So nice, he says it twice

I actually don’t mind reading good news like that repeatedly. Go Danks.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 27, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice 'cap.

BTW, HSA, WTF is the wanting to take beer money and turn it into tea? Very un-HSA-like.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 27, 2010 5:13 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

are you going to the rays/twins games?

This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 27, 2010 5:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

No.

Am in your old stomping grounds til Saturday. Seeing Tiggers/Bosox Friday.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 27, 2010 1:14 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

if this were Russia s

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jul 27, 2010 7:17 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

damn you blackberry to hell!

Comment wasn’t good anyways. Need more coffee

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jul 27, 2010 7:18 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

W

….I’m super gay and love the cubbies! by e-gus on Jul 25, 2010 9:33 PM CDT

by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 27, 2010 7:52 AM CDT reply actions  

I think an MS Paint of this needs attention...

I am thinking in the style of DaVinci…

"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok

by DrEmilioLizardo on Jul 27, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

ugh
NL West teams are bombarding the Royals with interest in Scott Podsednik, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (via Twitter). Bob Dutton of the Kansas City Star confirms the report (via Twitter) and so does Ed Price of AOL FanHouse. Rosenthal suggests the Giants, Padres and Dodgers could be fits. The Giants and Padres have been linked to outfielders for weeks now and Dodgers GM Ned Colletti recently said he wants to add outfield depth.

Podsednik, 34, has a .309/.353/.399 line with 29 steals in 41 attempts. It’s a carbon copy of the season he put together last year, when he batted .304/.353/.412 with 30 steals in 43 attempts. Teams know what they’re getting in Podsednik: a speedy left fielder who can play center and get on base.

This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 27, 2010 8:50 AM CDT reply actions  

forgot to bold 'bombarding'

This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 27, 2010 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

well, i suppose it is all relative.

i mean, bengie molina could play center field also, and brian anderson could get on base.

hey swisher...........you know.

by BuehrleMan on Jul 27, 2010 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

nice

….I’m super gay and love the cubbies! by e-gus on Jul 25, 2010 9:33 PM CDT

by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 27, 2010 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

should be green

i’m gone... bye bitches. - wtgtd

by BoeJouma on Jul 27, 2010 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

done

I see it's "no criminal record" night at the ballpark -- billyok before a game against the A's
I have witnessed the 2005 World Series championship, Mark Buehrle's perfect game, and the 2010 Chicago Blackhawks Stanley Cup championship in my lifetime.

by chisoxfan1473 on Jul 27, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

from Olney's blog on Buehrle and Danks:
• Chatting over the phone on Monday evening, White Sox pitching coach Don Cooper praised Mark Buehrle for the work he did in the offseason to improve his conditioning and to strengthen his shoulder. Buehrle threw a bullpen session on Monday, the kind of work he has not been able to do in the second half in recent seasons because he’s had to save bullets. But now the left-hander is in a better place physically to handle the work load, and as they wrapped up the bullpen session, Cooper turned to Buehrle and said, “You’re taking me back three to five years, in what you’re doing.”



Buehrle has been throwing well, and so too has John Danks, who has been refining his fastball command, Cooper believes — and it showed on Monday. Danks won for the fourth straight start.



How he won, from Mr. Kerns:



He went after ‘em: 80 of 95 pitches were fastballs (84.2 percent), his highest rate since the final start of 2008. The Mariners went 0-for-5 against off-speed stuff. He worked it inside: 49 pitches (51.6 percent) were on the inner third or too far in, the most this season. That jammed hitters into a lot of fly balls; Danks’ ground-ball percentage on inside pitches was his lowest in 12 starts. Seattle chased 58.3 percent of pitches out of the strike zone with two strikes. However, Danks recorded only two strikeouts; 10 of those balls were put in play. Obviously that led to bad contact, with only one hit (a Rob Johnson single) coming on a two-strike pitch out of the zone.

by Jack M on Jul 27, 2010 10:50 AM CDT reply actions  

MLB's Mike Leach on who the Sox should traget in a trade. Bleh

“White Sox: Kelly Johnson

The White Sox seem to be focused on a basher, but it’s not really what they need. They need a table-setter. Chicago hits plenty of home runs. The problem is outs; White Sox hitters just don’t get on base nearly enough, so they end up hitting solo homer after solo homer.

Thus, Johnson fits the Sox in just about every way. For most of his career — not just in this, a career season he’s having for the D-backs — he’s gotten on base at a good clip — save for his disastrous ‘09 season that ended his tenure in Atlanta. His left-handed bat would provide much-needed balance in a heavily right-handed Chicago lineup. The Sox’s current second baseman, Gordon Beckham, just isn’t getting the job done offensively. And it’s hard to imagine the Snakes, who traded Haren on Sunday, won’t continue to be sellers over the next few days.

If in fact the Diamondbacks are going to be sellers between now and Saturday, they have a number of intriguing players to offer. Shortstop Stephen Drew could be a great fit in St. Louis, catcher Miguel Montero has drawn a great deal of interest in the past, and there’s reportedly even some interest in reliever Chad Qualls. But Johnson looks like the best fit for the White Sox — even if it means buying high on a player enjoying a career year. He’d be a significant upgrade at a position of weakness, while also addressing Chicago’s largest club-wide offensive issue.

In fairness, a player such as Prince Fielder or Adam Dunn would also address the OBP issue for the Sox while simultaneously providing even more power. But Johnson might come cheaper than those players, and his defensive versatility would be a plus as well. Still, it seems the Sox aren’t looking at table-setters, but instead at thumpers.

“Same list. Same targets,” general manager Ken Williams told reporters recently. "

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 27, 2010 11:45 AM CDT reply actions  

I don't think he's knows much about any Sox player.

That article looks like it was written by a guy who just glanced at a couple stat sheets and wrote an article.

Time to call in the Q!avalry.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 27, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

when your offense is like the white sox

pretty much all you need to do is find a decent offensive player, figure out if he’s potentially available and write the article.

by larry on Jul 27, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

fyi

the sox have an american league average offense.

I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok

by mick10 on Jul 27, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

We aren't trying to be average..

We’re trying to win the World Series, that’s what first place teams do.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

see 2005

I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok

by mick10 on Jul 27, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

So since the one time in recent history the Sox won the WS was due to the entire pitching staff simultaneously having career years

That’s how they should count on winning the WS in the future?

Fuck that. How about they try constructing a team with good pitchers who only have the have normal years because the hitters are also good? You know, the strategy that pretty much every other WS champion employs.

by joewho112 on Jul 27, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

you forgot a "certainly"

Or you are just wrong.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 27, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

thank you

I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok

by mick10 on Jul 27, 2010 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who the hell was sending Q! when he had obviously jammed his ankle into the bag?

I’ll bet a shiny new penny he sits tonight.

"Unemployment benefits are creating jobs faster than practically any other program...It injects demand into the economy... It creates jobs faster than almost any other initiative you can name."
- House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (7/1/10) – God help us.

by tailgater on Jul 27, 2010 11:47 AM CDT reply actions  

Again, hit and run.

Pitch was way outside. I would not take that bet against you.

Time to call in the Q!avalry.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 27, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ozzie, no one is immune from his "screw strategy, just run all day" antics

See larry’s post.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 27, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Neyer says Twins win the world series

Final 2010 standings:

Central
1. Twins
2. White Sox
3. Tigers

They’re all bunched up right now, but I don’t see this one going to the wire unless the White Sox make a big move for a big hitter (and even that might not be enough). The Twins have outscored their opponents by 54 runs, the Tigers have been outscored … and that was before Magglio Ordonez busted his ankle. Don’t be surprised if the Twins finish with a six- or seven-game lead over whoever manages to avoid collapsing down the stretch.

For what it’s worth, perhaps not to Neyer, for 7 weeks since we went on that tear (6/8/10) our run differential is 82 compared to 21 for the Twins…

This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 27, 2010 11:56 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm almost certain that at this point in the year actual record is a better predictor than pythag going forward

THBT’s looked at this a couple years ago. I’m surprised it’s not more “out there”, especially among saber types.

through the middle of May, the Pythagorean formula more accurately predicts a team’s final number of wins than does the team’s actual record. After that, however, you’d be better off using the team’s actual winning percentage to predict how many game they’ll win. In the graph below note the point where the blue and pink lines cross—that is the point where the actual winning percentage is more accurate than the Pythagorean winning percentage. Note that they also track pretty well through July and then begin to diverge as we enter August.

by madvillian on Jul 27, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

yep

the have done a few articles on it. Voodoo magic says Neyer.

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Jul 27, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

nice ref, thanks

This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 27, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

FRNITA.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 27, 2010 1:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

"Don, this is temporary"

“Everyone knows that Betts”

ooh, burn!

by madvillian on Jul 27, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

my fav line from that episode:

"If you hit it off, come Turkey Day, maybe you can stuff her."

by Jack M on Jul 27, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

haha yea, that's a good one

I also enjoyed when Pete said wrt to the hiring of the publicity stunt actors, “can we put them down as whores, then i can charge them to the expense account”.

by madvillian on Jul 27, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

gotta love roger, I'm hoping the 4th season doesn't focus as much on don as the 1st episode did

they cut off half the cast, hopefully they introduce some new characters, although Don is clearly the star of the show at this point.

by madvillian on Jul 27, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

or at least cut out the flashbacks

This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 27, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Off-topic question

Is anyone with AT&T getting messages well after they’re sent from your contacts often? The last day or so there have been multiple times where I’ve sent a message, get a response, send another message, and then awhile later a message pops up from like 20-25 minutes ago.

Is anyone else having this problem?

I see it's "no criminal record" night at the ballpark -- billyok before a game against the A's
I have witnessed the 2005 World Series championship, Mark Buehrle's perfect game, and the 2010 Chicago Blackhawks Stanley Cup championship in my lifetime.

by chisoxfan1473 on Jul 27, 2010 12:16 PM CDT reply actions  

they're that desperate?

I see it's "no criminal record" night at the ballpark -- billyok before a game against the A's
I have witnessed the 2005 World Series championship, Mark Buehrle's perfect game, and the 2010 Chicago Blackhawks Stanley Cup championship in my lifetime.

by chisoxfan1473 on Jul 27, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Post fail..

I think they are just having fun with the SSS fruit meme

by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fruit Mimi?

"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok

by DrEmilioLizardo on Jul 27, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think he's just making an "aww raspberries" joke.

I doubt LL-ers spend much time reading our blog when they’ve convinced themselves they’re the smartest and funniest people on the internet.

DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY

by Ozzie Montana on Jul 27, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

yep.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Jul 27, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

what?

I thought we were the samrtest and funniest people on the internetz?

SSS has been able to get a lot of value out of him, but I imagine other sites look at his age and the some of the garbage he’s typing and think that he could be one terrible mistyped post from hanging them up.
-Sox Machine on winningugly

by e-gus on Jul 27, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jeff Manto and Kirk Champion are really nice guys

and sox machine is much better at interviewing than i am

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Jul 27, 2010 12:35 PM CDT reply actions  

At least at SSS you're held to a pretty low standard

After that interview with Carl went awry, just about anything looks pretty good.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

OT: DO YOU HEAR ME MAYOR DALLY?!11
ozzieguillen: if chicago stayed like this this hot i would live here all year…. but it get very very cold

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Jul 27, 2010 12:37 PM CDT reply actions  

I think we all know what Ozzie is suggesting..

Olympics are out.. time to move onto the next big thing.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Paulie Shore

What friggin’ deal with the devil did he make to get famous?

"Unemployment benefits are creating jobs faster than practically any other program...It injects demand into the economy... It creates jobs faster than almost any other initiative you can name."
- House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (7/1/10) – God help us.

by tailgater on Jul 27, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

His parents owned The Comedy Store in LA.

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Jul 27, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Laying the groundwork for another threat to move to Florida.

"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat

by South Side Expat on Jul 27, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know I've been one of the guys saying get a RF(Werth) and put Q to DH

But the most recent Day to Day update I got from an ESPN injury report said Ozzie was going to play Quenitn at DH over the weekend which posed a problem for his owners as his offensive stats suffer when he’s not playing the field. Since I’m relegated to blackberry, can anybody here corroborate that bit of information? Does Q have a significant dropoff at the plate when playing DH as opposed to OF?

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 27, 2010 12:43 PM CDT reply actions  

SSS and all

he has a .787 OPS as a DH in 99 PA
.766 OPS in RF in 689 PA
and .893 OPS in LF in 943 PA

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Jul 27, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

His biggest season came as a LF

So of course his best numbers are in LF for his career, but he has a higher slugging % and OPS as a DH vs. RF.

Only played 26 games at DH (99 abs). I think people just assume because he has a temper, and takes outs so badly that if he was sitting around thinking about it in the dugout it could just snowball, but I don’t know if there is enough evidence either way at this point in his career.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Release Q from RF

"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe

by Ahillock on Jul 27, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

the dh penalty.

almost everyone hits worse. 5% off wOBA if i’m remembering correctly.

by larry on Jul 27, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

OK then, I still endorse the Werth plan.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 27, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do you know how this relates to guys

After say a year of being a permanent DH? If they ever adjust to it, like a David Ortiz or Jim Thome and return to their average performance, or basically is there a curve that shows after a certain number of games DHing, the difference in performance decreases, or is steady?

When so few guys switch to DH full time until they are older and already slowing down they are bound to have worse numbers as they go on. And if you are looking at guys who are just doing it once in a while, they are most likely going to play worse because it’s not their normal situation, or they are DHing that day because they have some kind of routine injury that makes it reasonable to keep them out of the field. I assume this was taken into account when they did the numbers, I just can’t find an explanation online.

And yes I did try to answer these questions on my own.. came up with this summary from Tango, p.113 of The Book which my cheap ass has not bought yet, so I can’t see how he put it together.

Players also lose effectiveness when being used as a designated hitter; the DH penalty is about half that of the PH penalty. This does vary significantly from player to player – some players hit as well as a DH as they do otherwise, while others perform as badly as pinch hitters.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

can that be converted into WAR ?

This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 27, 2010 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Since Arizona is blowing up the team

any idea what it would cost to get LaRoche?

"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe

by Ahillock on Jul 27, 2010 12:45 PM CDT reply actions  

LaRoche isn't having a career year either .255/.331/.450

That is about average/ below average for him. What are you talking about?

"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe

by Ahillock on Jul 27, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

never said he was

just said he isn’t having a career year

"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe

by Ahillock on Jul 27, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well isn't prospect wise the main concern?

We have money that we didn’t spend in the off season on a DH then. We have no prospects, so it would seem that would be the better option if we want to add a good player to the roster.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes they are, but if La Roche's option locks us up in the future just because we needed someone for the run

I think we can do better for options. Again, I am hoping for Werth or Dunn which still gives us a clear drawing board for 2011. Then again, I would love to lock Werth up long term as well so I’m talking a little out my ass here. Mostly, I just don’t think La Roche is all that great and I wouldn’t want him for more than stop gap reasons. Since his option requires more commitment, no thanks.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 27, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah cheaper to get

more expensive long term with his option.

"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe

by Ahillock on Jul 27, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh yea

forgot about that

"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe

by Ahillock on Jul 27, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

make that a 100% chance.

though to be fair, you just barely missed…….by just over 5.5 months.

hey swisher...........you know.

by BuehrleMan on Jul 27, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Damn.

I was close. Just a little faster trigger finger.

Time to call in the Q!avalry.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 27, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

good to not see kotsay's name penciled in

This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 27, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes, we have pierre at dh instead. enjoy.

I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok

by mick10 on Jul 27, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ozzie, it didn't have to be this way you prick!

Still doesn’t

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 27, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's a given that pierre is going to be in the line-up

why he shouldn’t be in the field instead of Q doesn’t make sense

This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 27, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

both their numbers are the same as fields.

that’s the sad thing.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Jul 27, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

che responding in the #2 slot too

This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 27, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

leading AL shortstops in wOBA in July

This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 27, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Check that UZR, looking quite sexy.

DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY

by Ozzie Montana on Jul 27, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

#3 in WAR among SS in MLB

mostly because of his defensive value

This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 27, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah Viciedo

No 0-fers tday though tank.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 27, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was going to nit pick the lineup

But then I saw that tonight’s pitching matchup is Gavin vs a guy who is 1-9 with a ERA over 6 and all my worries melted away.

by joewho112 on Jul 27, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I suppose I should not ask why Q is in the field

and Pierre is DH huh?

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Jul 27, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't you see the 5% value drop?

Come on Tdogg. Obvious reasons.

Time to call in the Q!avalry.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 27, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Roster moves

Great win last night. Good to bounce back after that weekend in OAK. If Dunn is acquired, who is taken off the roster?? My guess would be Kotsay or Viciedo, but I think he’s going down when Teahen is activated. Jones will be really valuable in case Q goes on the DL or is out for a while.

by walterfan34 on Jul 27, 2010 1:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Unfairly, Lil Bridge will likely get cliffed.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 27, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

isn't lil'bridge out of options?

This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 27, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

he was already optioned this year.

you know, that’s how he was in the minors.

by larry on Jul 27, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

ahh

This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 27, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is he? Well than that changes things. Poor Tank.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 27, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

tank is making over a million dollars this year

I’m not feeling sorry for him. Let him go down and get 100 or so more PA before the season is over, have him work on nothing except taking guys deeper into the count.

by madvillian on Jul 27, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, that is a great point.

He’ll get more reps so good for him. On another note, has anyone propositioned Shoeless to take out Teahen during his rehab assignment so he can’t come back?

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 27, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

he has to plug one ear like that to hear the reporters.

 when he uses them both all he can hear is everyone leaving the stadium out in the parking lot.

SSS has been able to get a lot of value out of him, but I imagine other sites look at his age and the some of the garbage he’s typing and think that he could be one terrible mistyped post from hanging them up.
-Sox Machine on winningugly

by e-gus on Jul 27, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I imagine you'd have to see who is traded first

Viciedo or Hudson could be included in any deal we make.
If you think Teahen can play 2b, Lillibridge probably is the other one to go.

I’d prefer it be Kotsay cut and Viciedo sent down to the minors.

Keep Bridge, Jones, Castro, Teahen / Vizquel on your bench.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Teams that have spoken to the Nationals about Adam Dunn believe there’s a good chance Dunn will be traded by the end of the week.

They also think that the price Nats GM Mike Rizzo is asking for Dunn right now is ridiculously high. Rizzo has been telling teams that to trade Dunn, he would need to get a young starting pitcher who is either major-league ready or close to it.

How ready? Well, according to a source familiar with the talks, last week the Nationals asked the Rays for Matt Garza.

http://danny-knobler.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/8590096/23460366

by larry on Jul 27, 2010 2:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Okay Rizzo.

We’ll give you Floyd AND Danks.

Time to call in the Q!avalry.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 27, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess if you're the Nationals

You are in no hurry. Might as well push it to the deadline unless you get blown away by something.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do you think the price will drop dramatically by week's end if no deal is made by then?

Or is his bluster about possibly re-signing Dunn legitimate?

"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox

by RWShow on Jul 27, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

hes obviously crazy

he must think he can resign him.

SSS has been able to get a lot of value out of him, but I imagine other sites look at his age and the some of the garbage he’s typing and think that he could be one terrible mistyped post from hanging them up.
-Sox Machine on winningugly

by e-gus on Jul 27, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

rosenthal says the nationals haven't made a single proposal to dunn for an extension.

not even a reverse-garza of a minor league contract with an invite to spring training.

by larry on Jul 27, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I picture Rizzo as a kid ripping off other kids on baseball card trades

and he thinks it will work in the MLB. But seriously the guy is following the book on negotiation by asking for the world. Everyone knows he is going to scale his demands back, he is just fishing for information. By asking for the world you can find out the most someone will give you. Although all the other GM’s probably know this.

by Rhubarb on Jul 27, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

no. he's not quite following the book here.

asks like these cause people to hang up the phone, not continue the conversation.

by larry on Jul 27, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah I guess you're right...

Thing is, when you can only negotiate with 29 other GM’s they have to take you seriously. If you and I were negotiating for a service of some kind and I acted like Rizzo you could tell me to fuck off because there are more options but, the market is thin and the market is small and he has a one-of-a-kind product that he really doesn’t need anymore but still carries value. He wants to find out what the breaking point is by bidding high. He can hammer KW or other GM’s down to reality on Thursday or Friday.

by Rhubarb on Jul 27, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tampa Bay's old gm nearly ruined them

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Jul 27, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rizzo has to know that story, wouldn't you think?

I’m not arguing that this may bite him in the ass but it could also work out well for him…You have to go high if you’re going to find out what the other party is willing to pay at maximum.

by Rhubarb on Jul 27, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

He can always call them back

And say.. hey I still have one of the few difference makers on the market, why don’t we try to put together a realistic package. The guys who want Dunn, don’t have many alternatives, unless Prince Fielder becomes available for cheap and then the market is extremely small.

Maybe he has to swallow some pride, but it’s not like he’s doing any damage that he can’t undo here.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

perhaps here

but if you get a rep as some douche who is wholly unreasonable when someone calls you to talk trades, you’re going to find that you get less phone calls.

by larry on Jul 27, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately we don't know his telephone manner

he could be a great guy, respectful and keep upbeat on the phone but still hold his highground until the right time to unload. He has no reason to make a trade today but he does on Friday.

by Rhubarb on Jul 27, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

well yes and no

there have been plenty of gms who do this stupid shit and never get a deal done.

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Jul 27, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

like Jim Bowden with Soriano?

His name is Rios and he dances on the sand

by Nordhagen on Jul 27, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

ESPN reporting that Dan Hudson would need to be included in any Dunn deal
Any deal for Dunn would have to include Daniel Hudson, the White Sox’s top pitching prospect. The Nationals also want one of three White Sox prospects: catcher Tyler Flowers, outfielder Jordan Danks or injured infielder Brent Morel.

I like Hudson a lot, but Hudson + Danks for Dunn sounds very nice.

Link

by soxrule!35 on Jul 27, 2010 3:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Who would you guys want as a five starter?

Torres or are there any possible name out there we can deal lesser prospects for?

by Rhubarb on Jul 27, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

flowers, danks and morel

one of those is not like the others.

by larry on Jul 27, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe that reported misheard

jordan, not john danks, haha

This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 27, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is Livan Hernandez available in any trade they make?

Considering they have an abundance of young guys in the rotation or coming up and are stuck with Marquis for a while, might as well move the guy.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

So...what do we go with a 4 man rotation without Hudson then?

Is anyone else a bit worried about Freddy taking so many starts? Or even Buehrls?

Time to call in the Q!avalry.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 27, 2010 3:27 PM CDT reply actions  

FNS.

"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat

by South Side Expat on Jul 27, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would expect a "partial" 4-man, with Torres being skipped when off days allow for normal rest for everybody else.

And yes, that will have a negative impact on both Buehrle and Sweaty, who has already begun to frighten me away from endorsing any starter being moved without one in return.

"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox

by RWShow on Jul 27, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would expect them to go and get another starter. Larry is right no one else is ready.

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Jul 27, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dammit, I got tickets for Friday.

No idea what to expect as far as the starting pitcher.

Time to call in the Q!avalry.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 27, 2010 3:40 PM CDT reply actions  

larry do you see any reason sergio isn't talked about as trade bait?

seems like a guy that would be in high demand and the sox are in the unusual position of needing a DH type more than a setup guy as we get into the dog days of summer.

my guess is the sox see him as their setup guy or closer as soon as next year and the contract is too valuable going forward.

curious though that his name doesn’t seem to come up at all.

by madvillian on Jul 27, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sox want to see what they have in one more start

and so do his possible future employers. I’ll bet he has some nerves but hopefully he conducts the nervous energy into positive results.

by Rhubarb on Jul 27, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

one start means diddly except I guess if a team sends a scout that hasn't seen him in person

Hudson is a known quantity, that’s why he’s in demand, partly.

he has dominated the minor leagues, throws a 94 mph fastball and can mix in a decent change and breaking ball. At worst he’s a 4th starter type, good 150+ innings of league average starting, which is valuable.

At best he turns into a decent number 2 or a good number 3, and by that I mean he is throwing 110 era+ seasons on the reg.

by madvillian on Jul 27, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah you're right

but he hasn’t had too many Major league starts. Scott Ruffcorn was a known quantity as a minor leaguer too.

by Rhubarb on Jul 27, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hudson's trade value will never be higher.

I have no problem including him in a deal whether it’s for a bat or a quality starter. Torres is Hudson without the hype.

I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok

by mick10 on Jul 27, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

You have to hand it to Kenny and the rest of the org,

They did a pretty damn good job helping to hype hudson

Time to call in the Q!avalry.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 27, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

they are very good at this

I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok

by mick10 on Jul 27, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

yea, nick swisher come to mind?

how about gio? sox sure hyped them up and look what happened. fell flat on their faces.

by madvillian on Jul 27, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

gio is actually putting together a good year

3.75 ERA
4.03 FIP
4.39 xFIP

might be a little babip lucky, but not much.

by coffeepac on Jul 27, 2010 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

entirely possible!

however, I didn’t realize he was having a good year until recently. figured i wasn’t the only one.

I’ll totally be wooshed for a psa.

by coffeepac on Jul 27, 2010 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

he's a good minor league pitcher.

he better command his pitches better if he wants to be a major league starter.

I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok

by mick10 on Jul 27, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

clearly we know his future after 6 mlb starts.

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Jul 27, 2010 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's why we deal him now.

I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok

by mick10 on Jul 27, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

no that's not why you deal him

I think Hudson projects well in the cell. That doesn’t mean I wouldn’t trade him for the right price but you imply they need to launch him before he’s “found” out. He’s better than that.

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Jul 27, 2010 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would include him in a Fielder or Oswalt type deal.

I would not deal him in a rental of Dunn.

I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok

by mick10 on Jul 27, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

agreed

"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe

by Ahillock on Jul 27, 2010 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

somehow gaining movement on that fastball wouldn't hurt either

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jul 27, 2010 5:34 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

wtf are you guys talking about?

his numbers and age speak for themselves.

by madvillian on Jul 27, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying he's bad or even mediocre. He's just fresh, unproven.

And the club did a good job of painting a picture of a pitcher who will develop into a 2-3 starter.

Time to call in the Q!avalry.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 27, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'm pretty sure it was his 4/1 k/bb ratio and being 23 that did that

but go ahead and think what you want. hell, maybe they can do it for jeff marquez next.

by madvillian on Jul 27, 2010 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

sale will be next

I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok

by mick10 on Jul 27, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which is great, but he's in the minors.

He’s still a prospect, and there is a high degree of uncertainty to his major league career. All I said was they did a good job of hyping him, you act like I said he was terrible.

Time to call in the Q!avalry.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 27, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

uh no.

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Jul 27, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Alexei for GG this year?

His UZR is 10.0, next highest is Cliff Pennington at 4.9.

Time to call in the Q!avalry.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 27, 2010 5:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Gee if only someone had mentioned that.....

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Jul 27, 2010 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

tell me when where you field it

Fixed.

"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox

by RWShow on Jul 27, 2010 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

gg voters always make there decisions based of uzr

but will they get picky with the sss and go with the best over the past 3 years?

Why is this brainless, legless drunk still on my TV?-RWShow

by soxshenanigans on Jul 27, 2010 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

In other Big Hurt news...

He has rejoined the White Sox as an ambassador

I see it's "no criminal record" night at the ballpark -- billyok before a game against the A's
I have witnessed the 2005 World Series championship, Mark Buehrle's perfect game, and the 2010 Chicago Blackhawks Stanley Cup championship in my lifetime.

by chisoxfan1473 on Jul 27, 2010 5:28 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

On Ch. 5 news

they just showed Buehrle and some guys burning Kotsay’s bats to get rid of his “slump”. Can’t burn away suckitude unless you through Kotsay in the fire. Of course they had an Ozzie soundbite where he states he practices voodoo in Venezuela

by Rhubarb on Jul 27, 2010 5:30 PM CDT reply actions  

This Ozzie soundbite must be amusing

I see it's "no criminal record" night at the ballpark -- billyok before a game against the A's
I have witnessed the 2005 World Series championship, Mark Buehrle's perfect game, and the 2010 Chicago Blackhawks Stanley Cup championship in my lifetime.

by chisoxfan1473 on Jul 27, 2010 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

santeria, not voodoo

there is some difference

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Jul 27, 2010 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

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