Danks Picks Up Mariners Right Where He Left 'Em
Smooth sailing for John Danks tonight, who made quick work of the Mariners offense only six days since the last time he thoroughly enjoyed facing them. And this time without all the noms.
The top of the 3rd inning was but a hiccup on a night that Sox pitching otherwise breezed through the M's offense with all the grace and swiftness of a team that didn't just lose two relatively unpleasantly-pitched games in an empty concrete bowl in Oakland.
Plus the offense put up enough runs to pull off a Danks winner, though that may not come close to consoling poor Mark Kotsay, who had a hard rip down the right side snabbed by Kotchman for an un assisted double-play in his first at-bat, and a home run stolen by Ichiro in the 6th. Finally, one of his hard shots found a hole in the 8th and put Jones on 3rd for the opportunity for insurance runs. Which the Sox happily seized and subsequently put the game out of reach.
Laughably, the security guys interfered with a fair ball line shot off of AJ's bat in the 6th. The looks on their faces upon realizing they tossed the in-play ball to a nice young lad in the stands were remarkable.
Welcome home, Sox!
As a token of sympathy for Kotsay, I'll post this picture prior to the full Oaktown recap.
Don't forget somebody's out there, proud to be rooting for you.... (these folks set up camp all three games).
261 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
Last time
the Sox couldn’t even make contact on Felix – this game even most of the outs were hit hard. Kotsay cannot get a break at the plate or with the commentators on this blog – robbed twice.
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
what a bizarro inning
WCIU pulling a Milton and cutting to commercial with two outs, Q inexplicably half-attempting to steal second, the manly ballgirl twins letting that triple go to die, ichiro robbing kotsay, and of course the savaging of king felix
hopefully the reply button works~!
signature
Oh, shit.
From my seats near the Sea of Tranquility I thought the ball had gone of an ump and then kind of lazily made its way to the corner. Good to know it wasn’t a pro that was at fault. Also, Kotsay in no way deserved that home run, robbed or not. BABIP this and BABIP that, fuck him. He’s making outs, that was one of them. At some point hard hit balls that are caught are still excuses.
Don’t get me wrong; I’m blaming Ozzie and KW as much as Kotsay.
"Before you can say 'sounds of the game,' Mark Kotsay is out." -Chris Rose
by Teahenny Penny on Jul 27, 2010 3:14 AM CDT up reply actions
danks is on pace for a WAR of 5.6...
…and the twins are playing better than record for the last month (13-13), leading the league in wOBA and 2nd behind the sox in FIP
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 27, 2010 3:59 AM CDT reply actions
Both he and Floyd are on pace for 5+ WAR seasons
Yeah the Twins have been playing better lately. Should I pound on them about competition like folks wanted to with the Pale hose? lol.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Both he and Floyd are on pace for 5+ WAR seasons
Yeah the Twins have been playing better lately. Should I pound on them about competition like folks wanted to with the Pale hose? lol.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
So nice, he says it twice
I actually don’t mind reading good news like that repeatedly. Go Danks.
"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God
Nice 'cap.
BTW, HSA, WTF is the wanting to take beer money and turn it into tea? Very un-HSA-like.
Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT
by winningugly on Jul 27, 2010 5:13 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
are you going to the rays/twins games?
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 27, 2010 5:27 AM CDT up reply actions
No.
Am in your old stomping grounds til Saturday. Seeing Tiggers/Bosox Friday.
Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT
by winningugly on Jul 27, 2010 1:14 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
if this were Russia s
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jul 27, 2010 7:17 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
damn you blackberry to hell!
Comment wasn’t good anyways. Need more coffee
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jul 27, 2010 7:18 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
i did not mean tea was actually purchased. i was commenting on the pace and the effect of the sun on the beer.
I'll only ask once that you and your adorable sweater step away from the door.
by Toonderstrook on Jul 27, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
W

….I’m super gay and love the cubbies! by e-gus on Jul 25, 2010 9:33 PM CDT
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 27, 2010 7:52 AM CDT reply actions
I think an MS Paint of this needs attention...
I am thinking in the style of DaVinci…
"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok
by DrEmilioLizardo on Jul 27, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
ugh
NL West teams are bombarding the Royals with interest in Scott Podsednik, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (via Twitter). Bob Dutton of the Kansas City Star confirms the report (via Twitter) and so does Ed Price of AOL FanHouse. Rosenthal suggests the Giants, Padres and Dodgers could be fits. The Giants and Padres have been linked to outfielders for weeks now and Dodgers GM Ned Colletti recently said he wants to add outfield depth.
Podsednik, 34, has a .309/.353/.399 line with 29 steals in 41 attempts. It’s a carbon copy of the season he put together last year, when he batted .304/.353/.412 with 30 steals in 43 attempts. Teams know what they’re getting in Podsednik: a speedy left fielder who can play center and get on base.
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 27, 2010 8:50 AM CDT reply actions
forgot to bold 'bombarding'
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 27, 2010 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions
well, i suppose it is all relative.
i mean, bengie molina could play center field also, and brian anderson could get on base.
hey swisher...........you know.
his other talents include getting off base
signature
by billyok on Jul 27, 2010 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
Clearly the teams don't realize that when you take him out of the AL Central,
He stops playing.
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 27, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
nice
….I’m super gay and love the cubbies! by e-gus on Jul 25, 2010 9:33 PM CDT
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 27, 2010 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions
done
I see it's "no criminal record" night at the ballpark -- billyok before a game against the A's
I have witnessed the 2005 World Series championship, Mark Buehrle's perfect game, and the 2010 Chicago Blackhawks Stanley Cup championship in my lifetime.
by chisoxfan1473 on Jul 27, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Unless that Kotsay's Korner sign is in foul territory and not deep center field, I'm not sure those fans are supporting him so much as taunting him with irony
signature
if it was seattle, that sign would have a death tally from the Iraq war on it instead of anything having to do with baseball
signature
by billyok on Jul 27, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
nah, all the protestors were in RF. they no like it the possible move for a new stadium.
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Jul 27, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
from Olney's blog on Buehrle and Danks:
• Chatting over the phone on Monday evening, White Sox pitching coach Don Cooper praised Mark Buehrle for the work he did in the offseason to improve his conditioning and to strengthen his shoulder. Buehrle threw a bullpen session on Monday, the kind of work he has not been able to do in the second half in recent seasons because he’s had to save bullets. But now the left-hander is in a better place physically to handle the work load, and as they wrapped up the bullpen session, Cooper turned to Buehrle and said, “You’re taking me back three to five years, in what you’re doing.”
Buehrle has been throwing well, and so too has John Danks, who has been refining his fastball command, Cooper believes — and it showed on Monday. Danks won for the fourth straight start.
How he won, from Mr. Kerns:
He went after ‘em: 80 of 95 pitches were fastballs (84.2 percent), his highest rate since the final start of 2008. The Mariners went 0-for-5 against off-speed stuff. He worked it inside: 49 pitches (51.6 percent) were on the inner third or too far in, the most this season. That jammed hitters into a lot of fly balls; Danks’ ground-ball percentage on inside pitches was his lowest in 12 starts. Seattle chased 58.3 percent of pitches out of the strike zone with two strikes. However, Danks recorded only two strikeouts; 10 of those balls were put in play. Obviously that led to bad contact, with only one hit (a Rob Johnson single) coming on a two-strike pitch out of the zone.
MLB's Mike Leach on who the Sox should traget in a trade. Bleh
“White Sox: Kelly Johnson
The White Sox seem to be focused on a basher, but it’s not really what they need. They need a table-setter. Chicago hits plenty of home runs. The problem is outs; White Sox hitters just don’t get on base nearly enough, so they end up hitting solo homer after solo homer.
Thus, Johnson fits the Sox in just about every way. For most of his career — not just in this, a career season he’s having for the D-backs — he’s gotten on base at a good clip — save for his disastrous ‘09 season that ended his tenure in Atlanta. His left-handed bat would provide much-needed balance in a heavily right-handed Chicago lineup. The Sox’s current second baseman, Gordon Beckham, just isn’t getting the job done offensively. And it’s hard to imagine the Snakes, who traded Haren on Sunday, won’t continue to be sellers over the next few days.
If in fact the Diamondbacks are going to be sellers between now and Saturday, they have a number of intriguing players to offer. Shortstop Stephen Drew could be a great fit in St. Louis, catcher Miguel Montero has drawn a great deal of interest in the past, and there’s reportedly even some interest in reliever Chad Qualls. But Johnson looks like the best fit for the White Sox — even if it means buying high on a player enjoying a career year. He’d be a significant upgrade at a position of weakness, while also addressing Chicago’s largest club-wide offensive issue.
In fairness, a player such as Prince Fielder or Adam Dunn would also address the OBP issue for the Sox while simultaneously providing even more power. But Johnson might come cheaper than those players, and his defensive versatility would be a plus as well. Still, it seems the Sox aren’t looking at table-setters, but instead at thumpers.
“Same list. Same targets,” general manager Ken Williams told reporters recently. "
"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God
I don't think he's knows much about any Sox player.
That article looks like it was written by a guy who just glanced at a couple stat sheets and wrote an article.
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 27, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
when your offense is like the white sox
pretty much all you need to do is find a decent offensive player, figure out if he’s potentially available and write the article.
fyi
the sox have an american league average offense.
I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok
We aren't trying to be average..
We’re trying to win the World Series, that’s what first place teams do.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
So since the one time in recent history the Sox won the WS was due to the entire pitching staff simultaneously having career years
That’s how they should count on winning the WS in the future?
Fuck that. How about they try constructing a team with good pitchers who only have the have normal years because the hitters are also good? You know, the strategy that pretty much every other WS champion employs.
finally, you understand. yes, get some pitching added to this team right now and we could win it all.
I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok
Who the hell was sending Q! when he had obviously jammed his ankle into the bag?
I’ll bet a shiny new penny he sits tonight.
"Unemployment benefits are creating jobs faster than practically any other program...It injects demand into the economy... It creates jobs faster than almost any other initiative you can name."
- House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (7/1/10) – God help us.
Again, hit and run.
Pitch was way outside. I would not take that bet against you.
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 27, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Ozzie, no one is immune from his "screw strategy, just run all day" antics
See larry’s post.
"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God
Ben Davis attempting comeback as a pitcher (because thats what you do these days)
His name is Rios and he dances on the sand
Neyer says Twins win the world series
Central
1. Twins
2. White Sox
3. Tigers
They’re all bunched up right now, but I don’t see this one going to the wire unless the White Sox make a big move for a big hitter (and even that might not be enough). The Twins have outscored their opponents by 54 runs, the Tigers have been outscored … and that was before Magglio Ordonez busted his ankle. Don’t be surprised if the Twins finish with a six- or seven-game lead over whoever manages to avoid collapsing down the stretch.
For what it’s worth, perhaps not to Neyer, for 7 weeks since we went on that tear (6/8/10) our run differential is 82 compared to 21 for the Twins…
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 27, 2010 11:56 AM CDT reply actions
I'm almost certain that at this point in the year actual record is a better predictor than pythag going forward
THBT’s looked at this a couple years ago. I’m surprised it’s not more “out there”, especially among saber types.
through the middle of May, the Pythagorean formula more accurately predicts a team’s final number of wins than does the team’s actual record. After that, however, you’d be better off using the team’s actual winning percentage to predict how many game they’ll win. In the graph below note the point where the blue and pink lines cross—that is the point where the actual winning percentage is more accurate than the Pythagorean winning percentage. Note that they also track pretty well through July and then begin to diverge as we enter August.
nice ref, thanks
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 27, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
FRNITA.
Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT
by winningugly on Jul 27, 2010 1:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
haha yea, that's a good one
I also enjoyed when Pete said wrt to the hiring of the publicity stunt actors, “can we put them down as whores, then i can charge them to the expense account”.
gotta love roger, I'm hoping the 4th season doesn't focus as much on don as the 1st episode did
they cut off half the cast, hopefully they introduce some new characters, although Don is clearly the star of the show at this point.
or at least cut out the flashbacks
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 27, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Off-topic question
Is anyone with AT&T getting messages well after they’re sent from your contacts often? The last day or so there have been multiple times where I’ve sent a message, get a response, send another message, and then awhile later a message pops up from like 20-25 minutes ago.
Is anyone else having this problem?
I see it's "no criminal record" night at the ballpark -- billyok before a game against the A's
I have witnessed the 2005 World Series championship, Mark Buehrle's perfect game, and the 2010 Chicago Blackhawks Stanley Cup championship in my lifetime.
they're that desperate?
I see it's "no criminal record" night at the ballpark -- billyok before a game against the A's
I have witnessed the 2005 World Series championship, Mark Buehrle's perfect game, and the 2010 Chicago Blackhawks Stanley Cup championship in my lifetime.
by chisoxfan1473 on Jul 27, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't believe that's what he's saying.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Post fail..
I think they are just having fun with the SSS fruit meme
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Fruit Mimi?

"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok
by DrEmilioLizardo on Jul 27, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I think he's just making an "aww raspberries" joke.
I doubt LL-ers spend much time reading our blog when they’ve convinced themselves they’re the smartest and funniest people on the internet.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 27, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
what?
I thought we were the samrtest and funniest people on the internetz?
SSS has been able to get a lot of value out of him, but I imagine other sites look at his age and the some of the garbage he’s typing and think that he could be one terrible mistyped post from hanging them up.
-Sox Machine on winningugly
methheds aren't people! But we ARE the funniest and smrtest methheds out derr.
by homesickalien on Jul 27, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Jeff Manto and Kirk Champion are really nice guys
and sox machine is much better at interviewing than i am
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
At least at SSS you're held to a pretty low standard
After that interview with Carl went awry, just about anything looks pretty good.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
OT: DO YOU HEAR ME MAYOR DALLY?!11
ozzieguillen: if chicago stayed like this this hot i would live here all year…. but it get very very cold
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
I think we all know what Ozzie is suggesting..

Olympics are out.. time to move onto the next big thing.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Paulie Shore
What friggin’ deal with the devil did he make to get famous?
"Unemployment benefits are creating jobs faster than practically any other program...It injects demand into the economy... It creates jobs faster than almost any other initiative you can name."
- House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (7/1/10) – God help us.
His parents owned The Comedy Store in LA.
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
Laying the groundwork for another threat to move to Florida.
"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat
by South Side Expat on Jul 27, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I know I've been one of the guys saying get a RF(Werth) and put Q to DH
But the most recent Day to Day update I got from an ESPN injury report said Ozzie was going to play Quenitn at DH over the weekend which posed a problem for his owners as his offensive stats suffer when he’s not playing the field. Since I’m relegated to blackberry, can anybody here corroborate that bit of information? Does Q have a significant dropoff at the plate when playing DH as opposed to OF?
"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God
SSS and all
he has a .787 OPS as a DH in 99 PA
.766 OPS in RF in 689 PA
and .893 OPS in LF in 943 PA
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
His biggest season came as a LF
So of course his best numbers are in LF for his career, but he has a higher slugging % and OPS as a DH vs. RF.
Only played 26 games at DH (99 abs). I think people just assume because he has a temper, and takes outs so badly that if he was sitting around thinking about it in the dugout it could just snowball, but I don’t know if there is enough evidence either way at this point in his career.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Release Q from RF

"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe
Do you know how this relates to guys
After say a year of being a permanent DH? If they ever adjust to it, like a David Ortiz or Jim Thome and return to their average performance, or basically is there a curve that shows after a certain number of games DHing, the difference in performance decreases, or is steady?
When so few guys switch to DH full time until they are older and already slowing down they are bound to have worse numbers as they go on. And if you are looking at guys who are just doing it once in a while, they are most likely going to play worse because it’s not their normal situation, or they are DHing that day because they have some kind of routine injury that makes it reasonable to keep them out of the field. I assume this was taken into account when they did the numbers, I just can’t find an explanation online.
And yes I did try to answer these questions on my own.. came up with this summary from Tango, p.113 of The Book which my cheap ass has not bought yet, so I can’t see how he put it together.
Players also lose effectiveness when being used as a designated hitter; the DH penalty is about half that of the PH penalty. This does vary significantly from player to player – some players hit as well as a DH as they do otherwise, while others perform as badly as pinch hitters.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
can that be converted into WAR ?
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 27, 2010 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Since Arizona is blowing up the team
any idea what it would cost to get LaRoche?
"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe
A lot, in Cheat's post about trade possibilities, he mentioned La Roche had an unfavorable option on his contract iirc.
"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God
Wouldn't that make him cheaper to get?
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
prospect wise maybe. I was surprised how little Haren was traded for, but he was having a down year
Not so for La Roche.
"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God
LaRoche isn't having a career year either .255/.331/.450
That is about average/ below average for him. What are you talking about?
"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe
never said he was
just said he isn’t having a career year
"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe
Just get him in the Cell.
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 27, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Well isn't prospect wise the main concern?
We have money that we didn’t spend in the off season on a DH then. We have no prospects, so it would seem that would be the better option if we want to add a good player to the roster.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes they are, but if La Roche's option locks us up in the future just because we needed someone for the run
I think we can do better for options. Again, I am hoping for Werth or Dunn which still gives us a clear drawing board for 2011. Then again, I would love to lock Werth up long term as well so I’m talking a little out my ass here. Mostly, I just don’t think La Roche is all that great and I wouldn’t want him for more than stop gap reasons. Since his option requires more commitment, no thanks.
"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God
Yeah cheaper to get
more expensive long term with his option.
"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe
If we had Ichiro instead of JP,
What do you think our odds on winning the WS would be?
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 27, 2010 1:26 PM CDT reply actions
With a 60% chance of getting youdaman'd
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 27, 2010 1:29 PM CDT reply actions
make that a 100% chance.
though to be fair, you just barely missed…….by just over 5.5 months.
hey swisher...........you know.
Damn.
I was close. Just a little faster trigger finger.
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 27, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Good to see Q is still kickin' after yesterday.
by homesickalien on Jul 27, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
He owes some people pretty pennies.
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 27, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
good to not see kotsay's name penciled in
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 27, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
yes, we have pierre at dh instead. enjoy.
I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok
Ozzie, it didn't have to be this way you prick!
Still doesn’t
"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God
it's a given that pierre is going to be in the line-up
why he shouldn’t be in the field instead of Q doesn’t make sense
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 27, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Great, now he's going to rupture an eardrum listening to Michael Buble.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 27, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
che responding in the #2 slot too
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 27, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
leading AL shortstops in wOBA in July
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 27, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Check that UZR, looking quite sexy.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 27, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
#3 in WAR among SS in MLB
mostly because of his defensive value
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 27, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I was going to nit pick the lineup
But then I saw that tonight’s pitching matchup is Gavin vs a guy who is 1-9 with a ERA over 6 and all my worries melted away.
I suppose I should not ask why Q is in the field
and Pierre is DH huh?
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Didn't you see the 5% value drop?
Come on Tdogg. Obvious reasons.
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 27, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Roster moves
Great win last night. Good to bounce back after that weekend in OAK. If Dunn is acquired, who is taken off the roster?? My guess would be Kotsay or Viciedo, but I think he’s going down when Teahen is activated. Jones will be really valuable in case Q goes on the DL or is out for a while.
isn't lil'bridge out of options?
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 27, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
ahh
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 27, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
tank is making over a million dollars this year
I’m not feeling sorry for him. Let him go down and get 100 or so more PA before the season is over, have him work on nothing except taking guys deeper into the count.
Actually, that is a great point.
He’ll get more reps so good for him. On another note, has anyone propositioned Shoeless to take out Teahen during his rehab assignment so he can’t come back?
"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God
he has to plug one ear like that to hear the reporters.
when he uses them both all he can hear is everyone leaving the stadium out in the parking lot.
SSS has been able to get a lot of value out of him, but I imagine other sites look at his age and the some of the garbage he’s typing and think that he could be one terrible mistyped post from hanging them up.
-Sox Machine on winningugly
I imagine you'd have to see who is traded first
Viciedo or Hudson could be included in any deal we make.
If you think Teahen can play 2b, Lillibridge probably is the other one to go.
I’d prefer it be Kotsay cut and Viciedo sent down to the minors.
Keep Bridge, Jones, Castro, Teahen / Vizquel on your bench.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Teams that have spoken to the Nationals about Adam Dunn believe there’s a good chance Dunn will be traded by the end of the week.
They also think that the price Nats GM Mike Rizzo is asking for Dunn right now is ridiculously high. Rizzo has been telling teams that to trade Dunn, he would need to get a young starting pitcher who is either major-league ready or close to it.
How ready? Well, according to a source familiar with the talks, last week the Nationals asked the Rays for Matt Garza.
http://danny-knobler.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/8590096/23460366
Okay Rizzo.
We’ll give you Floyd AND Danks.
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 27, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
larry, do you buy that kind of talk, seems rather hyperbolic that rizzo would ask for garza
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 27, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess if you're the Nationals
You are in no hurry. Might as well push it to the deadline unless you get blown away by something.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you think the price will drop dramatically by week's end if no deal is made by then?
Or is his bluster about possibly re-signing Dunn legitimate?
"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox
hes obviously crazy
he must think he can resign him.
SSS has been able to get a lot of value out of him, but I imagine other sites look at his age and the some of the garbage he’s typing and think that he could be one terrible mistyped post from hanging them up.
-Sox Machine on winningugly
rosenthal says the nationals haven't made a single proposal to dunn for an extension.
not even a reverse-garza of a minor league contract with an invite to spring training.
I picture Rizzo as a kid ripping off other kids on baseball card trades
and he thinks it will work in the MLB. But seriously the guy is following the book on negotiation by asking for the world. Everyone knows he is going to scale his demands back, he is just fishing for information. By asking for the world you can find out the most someone will give you. Although all the other GM’s probably know this.
no. he's not quite following the book here.
asks like these cause people to hang up the phone, not continue the conversation.
Yeah I guess you're right...
Thing is, when you can only negotiate with 29 other GM’s they have to take you seriously. If you and I were negotiating for a service of some kind and I acted like Rizzo you could tell me to fuck off because there are more options but, the market is thin and the market is small and he has a one-of-a-kind product that he really doesn’t need anymore but still carries value. He wants to find out what the breaking point is by bidding high. He can hammer KW or other GM’s down to reality on Thursday or Friday.
Tampa Bay's old gm nearly ruined them
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Rizzo has to know that story, wouldn't you think?
I’m not arguing that this may bite him in the ass but it could also work out well for him…You have to go high if you’re going to find out what the other party is willing to pay at maximum.
I beg to differ.

Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 27, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
It could be he just wants to keep his 85' Topps USA Baseball McGuire card
but it is valueless very soon.
He can always call them back
And say.. hey I still have one of the few difference makers on the market, why don’t we try to put together a realistic package. The guys who want Dunn, don’t have many alternatives, unless Prince Fielder becomes available for cheap and then the market is extremely small.
Maybe he has to swallow some pride, but it’s not like he’s doing any damage that he can’t undo here.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
perhaps here
but if you get a rep as some douche who is wholly unreasonable when someone calls you to talk trades, you’re going to find that you get less phone calls.
Unfortunately we don't know his telephone manner
he could be a great guy, respectful and keep upbeat on the phone but still hold his highground until the right time to unload. He has no reason to make a trade today but he does on Friday.
when someone says "give me matt garza for adam dunn" they don't have to be telling you to go fuck yourself.
it’s implied.
Yeah...that is pretty dumb.
We’ll just have to see how his strategy works out for him and reconvene.
well yes and no
there have been plenty of gms who do this stupid shit and never get a deal done.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
ESPN reporting that Dan Hudson would need to be included in any Dunn deal
Any deal for Dunn would have to include Daniel Hudson, the White Sox’s top pitching prospect. The Nationals also want one of three White Sox prospects: catcher Tyler Flowers, outfielder Jordan Danks or injured infielder Brent Morel.
I like Hudson a lot, but Hudson + Danks for Dunn sounds very nice.
Who would you guys want as a five starter?
Torres or are there any possible name out there we can deal lesser prospects for?
maybe that reported misheard
jordan, not john danks, haha
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 27, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
haha, i read that again and saw that..
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 27, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Is Livan Hernandez available in any trade they make?
Considering they have an abundance of young guys in the rotation or coming up and are stuck with Marquis for a while, might as well move the guy.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
The nats are swimming in pitching prospects though. It shouldn't take Hudson to make a deal.
"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God
So...what do we go with a 4 man rotation without Hudson then?
Is anyone else a bit worried about Freddy taking so many starts? Or even Buehrls?
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 27, 2010 3:27 PM CDT reply actions
Marquez seems to be a large uncertainty.
Definite downgrade from Hudson?
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 27, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Also, assuming Sale cruises through minor league ball,
You think it’s possible he could be making the 5th start by the end of the season?
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 27, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
no. he's pitching one inning stints. there's no way he could start a game, unless you want a guy to go two innings or something.
Would they make Pena the fifth starter and add Sale to the relief corps?
"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God
I hope not, after that last outing.
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 27, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
FNS.
"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat
by South Side Expat on Jul 27, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I would expect a "partial" 4-man, with Torres being skipped when off days allow for normal rest for everybody else.
And yes, that will have a negative impact on both Buehrle and Sweaty, who has already begun to frighten me away from endorsing any starter being moved without one in return.
"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox
I would expect them to go and get another starter. Larry is right no one else is ready.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Dammit, I got tickets for Friday.
No idea what to expect as far as the starting pitcher.
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 27, 2010 3:40 PM CDT reply actions
Not if he's traded away by then...
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 27, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Last minute, friday night/saturday morning deal then?
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 27, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
larry do you see any reason sergio isn't talked about as trade bait?
seems like a guy that would be in high demand and the sox are in the unusual position of needing a DH type more than a setup guy as we get into the dog days of summer.
my guess is the sox see him as their setup guy or closer as soon as next year and the contract is too valuable going forward.
curious though that his name doesn’t seem to come up at all.
Sox want to see what they have in one more start
and so do his possible future employers. I’ll bet he has some nerves but hopefully he conducts the nervous energy into positive results.
one start means diddly except I guess if a team sends a scout that hasn't seen him in person
Hudson is a known quantity, that’s why he’s in demand, partly.
he has dominated the minor leagues, throws a 94 mph fastball and can mix in a decent change and breaking ball. At worst he’s a 4th starter type, good 150+ innings of league average starting, which is valuable.
At best he turns into a decent number 2 or a good number 3, and by that I mean he is throwing 110 era+ seasons on the reg.
Yeah you're right
but he hasn’t had too many Major league starts. Scott Ruffcorn was a known quantity as a minor leaguer too.
Hudson's trade value will never be higher.
I have no problem including him in a deal whether it’s for a bat or a quality starter. Torres is Hudson without the hype.
I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok
You have to hand it to Kenny and the rest of the org,
They did a pretty damn good job helping to hype hudson
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 27, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
they are very good at this
I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok
yea, nick swisher come to mind?
how about gio? sox sure hyped them up and look what happened. fell flat on their faces.
gio is actually putting together a good year
3.75 ERA
4.03 FIP
4.39 xFIP
might be a little babip lucky, but not much.
whoshtimes.
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 27, 2010 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions
entirely possible!
however, I didn’t realize he was having a good year until recently. figured i wasn’t the only one.
I’ll totally be wooshed for a psa.
Well he was good enough to advance through their whole minor league system in about a year.
He hyped himself. He is a good pitcher.
he's a good minor league pitcher.
he better command his pitches better if he wants to be a major league starter.
I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok
clearly we know his future after 6 mlb starts.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
that's why we deal him now.
I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok
no that's not why you deal him
I think Hudson projects well in the cell. That doesn’t mean I wouldn’t trade him for the right price but you imply they need to launch him before he’s “found” out. He’s better than that.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
I would include him in a Fielder or Oswalt type deal.
I would not deal him in a rental of Dunn.
I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok
somehow gaining movement on that fastball wouldn't hurt either
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jul 27, 2010 5:34 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm not saying he's bad or even mediocre. He's just fresh, unproven.
And the club did a good job of painting a picture of a pitcher who will develop into a 2-3 starter.
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 27, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
i'm pretty sure it was his 4/1 k/bb ratio and being 23 that did that
but go ahead and think what you want. hell, maybe they can do it for jeff marquez next.
Which is great, but he's in the minors.
He’s still a prospect, and there is a high degree of uncertainty to his major league career. All I said was they did a good job of hyping him, you act like I said he was terrible.
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 27, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions
yea, except for being 4 years younger...
I’m basically the same as my 23 year old self, except 4 years older.
Alexei for GG this year?
His UZR is 10.0, next highest is Cliff Pennington at 4.9.
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 27, 2010 5:20 PM CDT reply actions
Gee if only someone had mentioned that.....
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Man...I'm having a whoshy day.
Sigh.
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 27, 2010 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
It's going to happen, and I'm going to be pissed.
Again.
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 27, 2010 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions
gg voters always make there decisions based of uzr
but will they get picky with the sss and go with the best over the past 3 years?
Why is this brainless, legless drunk still on my TV?-RWShow
by soxshenanigans on Jul 27, 2010 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
In other Big Hurt news...
He has rejoined the White Sox as an ambassador
I see it's "no criminal record" night at the ballpark -- billyok before a game against the A's
I have witnessed the 2005 World Series championship, Mark Buehrle's perfect game, and the 2010 Chicago Blackhawks Stanley Cup championship in my lifetime.
by chisoxfan1473 on Jul 27, 2010 5:28 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
On Ch. 5 news
they just showed Buehrle and some guys burning Kotsay’s bats to get rid of his “slump”. Can’t burn away suckitude unless you through Kotsay in the fire. Of course they had an Ozzie soundbite where he states he practices voodoo in Venezuela
This Ozzie soundbite must be amusing
I see it's "no criminal record" night at the ballpark -- billyok before a game against the A's
I have witnessed the 2005 World Series championship, Mark Buehrle's perfect game, and the 2010 Chicago Blackhawks Stanley Cup championship in my lifetime.
by chisoxfan1473 on Jul 27, 2010 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
santeria, not voodoo
there is some difference
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by 






















