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Do You Want More?!!!??! SSS Meets White Sox Minor League Pitching Coordinator Kirk Champion

See the interview with Minor League Hitting Coordinator Jeff Manto here.

Once again, I would like to start off by thanking Marty Maloney, the White Sox Coordinator of Public Relations, for making this interview possible.  The next thank you goes out to Kirk Champion for agreeing to the interview and being an all-around pleasant and entertaining guy.  My final show of gratitude is for Jim Margalus, the sole writer of the always fantastic Sox Machine.  I asked Jim for some tips before the interview and he was kind enough to help.  He was also a great interviewer to follow and learn from during the questioning.

Just like in the last one, there were three other interviewers.  Jim has already been covered, but Anthony Mazzuca of Future Sox and Paul Banks of The Sport Bank were also there.  Without further ado, here are the thoughts of one Kirk Champion.

 

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Jim Margalus: I have a question about Daniel Hudson and his first three starts.  In the two starts that he struggled, he has pretty much abandoned his slider.  I think he's gone maybe 40-50 pitches a time without throwing it and he hasn't looked comfortable.  Was this a problem he had in his slow start in Charlotte this year?

Kirk Champion: Not necessarily.  That's a pitch that probably isn't as progressed as his changeup or the locating of his fastball, but he certainly has had it in his stretches.  It's just an arm slot thing for him; and when he stays on it and stays over it, it's a quality pitch.

JM: Chris Sale has been pushed aggressively so far.  How do you see him responding to the challenges?

KC: Chris has done really well from a mental standpoint.  He's been prepared and goes about his business every day.  He's got really good poise on the mound.  He's handled it in the clubhouse.  I was talking to Randy Williams about that actually.  Chris is prepared and he knows how to get ready.  He's got those things that sometimes young and inexperienced pitchers need a little guidance, but he's handled it so far.  In Winston, in front of some real big crowds, and in Indianapolis both times I know he had real good crowds, so that's a great atmosphere for him to get adjusted to.

Star-divide

 

SSS: Before this year's draft, the farm system seemed a little hitting heavy.  How happy have you been with the results of the pitchers picked up by the Sox in the draft this year? (This was said much less eloquently).

KC: Well so far, I just had the chance to hit Idaho Falls and see the arms there and there's certainly some guys and some exciting stuff there to see.  I hit Bristol pretty early and am heading back there next week.  I like to lay eyes on them a little more before I start digging into scouting reports.  But there's guys who have some good arms, good stuff.  Saw Jacob Petricka, saw Thomas Royse throw the ball very well.  Saw Addison Reed just on the sideline up in Idaho Falls.  But there's some guys who are interesting guys.  Of course Sale going from Winston-Salem to Charlotte that quick.  There's some guys that are gonna be fun to watch the next few years.

PB: We saw Jeff Marquez for about one inning earlier this season at the major league level.  What do you think the upside is to him long term?

 

KC: Jeff's got a pretty good feel for his pitches.  He didn't have his best stuff a year ago, but now I think he's got his best equipment to go out there.  And now it's just learning what his style is, like are we gonna sink the ball, are we gonna change speeds a little bit more?  I think he understands what his strengths are.  I think when he gets on the same page with a good approach, he's got three pitches that he can use in an at bat.  The velocity is coming up, he can move his fastball when he has to.  That's the upside to him.  He's a got a more confident approach maybe than he did before.

 

AM: What can you tell us about his sinker?  That seems to be his out pitch.  Do you think it's really his best pitch he has to offer?

KC: Well yes.  I think his sinker is a real plus pitch for him, and it seems like he can get away from it some times.  There's times he needs to just trust it.  Groundballs sometimes find holes and it can get a little frustrating when they do, but I think that it's a plus pitch for him and it's something that you're gonna see more when he's on the mound in a longer role.  Maybe as a middle guy, or a starter down the road, but that sinker will be much more prominent. 

JM: Watching some pitchers come up through the Sox system, one common trait they have is that they all work pretty fast.  Hudson is a pretty quick worker; and Gavin Floyd was a pretty slow worker with Philly, but then we he made his way up through Charlotte he started speeding up his tempo.  Is that something that is taught or a philosophy that is preached throughout the organization, maybe a Mark Buehrle trickle-down affect, or is it just a coincidence?

KC: It's not a coincidence.  I think that Mark's had so many good outings and works fast, the defense seems ready behind him.  And he's certainly an easy guy to point to because of the success he's had.  We do address it and we go back to John Ely and Clayton Richard, guys who aren't in our system any more and we certainly emphasized it.  Clayton was a fast worker.  We're trying to get a lot of our younger guys to realize that if we can cut some time down between pitches that it's a good trait that more pitchers in our system need to stick to.  We don't force it on guys.  There's been a lot of times where you can see a slow tempo and we certainly want them to be a little more aggressive.

SSS: Adding on to Jim's question, it seems like the cutter is the pitch of the White Sox system.  Does this just start with Don Cooper, or do they try to start teaching it down in the minors?

KC: Yeah, with different organizations, we're talking about different philosophies.  It's a trendy pitch, like the split finger years ago.  I think the ability to locate your fastball up and down is our first priority at the lower levels, being able to change speeds and throw your best stuff more often.  I like to think that at high-A, AA, AAA, if we're ready to add that pitch we'll do it.  But one trap that you can fall into, is that guys will get "cutter happy" because they'll have a little success with it at the lower levels and then get away from locating their best fastball.  That's just something we have to monitor.  There are some guys we'll allow at the lower levels a survivor pitch, maybe.  Some guys we don't want to throw too many til they get to the point where they can do other things really well first, and then maybe we'll add that pitch.  I know a lot of organizations don't even add that pitch til AAA.  Coop talks about it a lot and it certainly gets a lot of attention.  It helped Jon Garland back when Jon was having a hard time getting it going sometimes.  Thing is, sometimes it becomes a slider rather than a cutter and that is one thing they truly have to understand.  It's no good to have five pitches if you can't control all but one of them.  We want to avoid developing four mediocre pitches as opposed to three quality pitches.

JM: One guy that Rick Hahn pointed to as a sleeper or someone under the radar was Charles Leesman.  He kind of had a rough start but still got a promotion to Birmingham.  What are you seeing that isn't reflected in the stats?

KC: Even in his rough outings in Winston-Salem, there were portions of each one of those games that he stands out.  Understanding how to minimize the damage or being able to step off the mound and grab the rosin bag and regroup sometimes.  He had an outstanding outing just the other day in West Tennessee for Birmingham when you look at his line.  When you hear things like back to front, or staying on your pitches or having real good direction; those are things he has to do to have consistency.  In my mind, when a guy starts doing that 2-3-4 times in a row, mechanically they've got it.  That's what you hope for with a guy like Leesman.  He's left-handed with an average to above-average fastball.  There's a lot of good things.  We thought he was ready to go for the Southern League and that his stuff was good enough for AA.

JM: Two pitchers you think of when you talk about the lightbulb going off are Clayton Richard two years ago and Carlos Torres last year.  They showed flashes of success, but finally started putting it together 6-7 starts in a row.  What is the biggest identifier when you're scouting these guys that they've made it to the next level and who are some guys that aren't big names that are finally making that jump?

KC: Those two guys are real hard workers and grinders and that tends to carry over into the games.  They're guys that pitching coaches love because they work so hard.  We have a lot of guys that have had some good stretches.  Torres had a bad outing the other day, but he's still the same guy that became a AAA All-Star.  The thing you have to be careful about with a guy like Carlos is "I did it before but I'm not quite there now, so I have to do more".  For some guys: Lucas Harrell has had a real good run.  He threw a great ballgame a few days ago in Indianapolis.  He's 9-9, but at one time I think he was 1-6 or whatever.  Marquez has had pop and some real good games.  Brandon Hynick, the guy from the Jose Contreras trade, is just starting to come back from a late start out of spring training.  Matt Zaleski, not on the 40-man but a AAA grinder.  Johnnie Lowe in Birmingham has shown us some really good games.  Charles Shirek had a real good first half at Birmingham.  There's been a lot of interest in Shirek.  Terry Doyle in Winston-Salem, record-wise is probably even but he's been pitching well.  He has a plus breaking ball.  You've got to command three pitches as a starter and watch your first pitch strikes.

JM: Well a few names you didn't mention in rookie ball making their second run through David Holmberg and Steven Upchurch.  Can you compare where the two of them are at this point in their careers and if they have any shot at A-ball before the season is over?

KC: Both of them could if we had a need.  I saw both of them pitch.  Upchurch didn't throw as well in front of me as before.  I saw Holmberg throw well and he threw even better in the next start after I was there.  Strong, left-handed pitcher, young.  If we were forced to send Holmberg or Upchurch to Kannapolis, it wouldn't be that big of a stretch

SSS: You've been pitching coach for the U.S. World Cup team.  How did they pick you over all the other coordinators and pitching coaches all over the minors?

KC: Actually I can tell you real quickly.  In 2001, it was about 10 days after 9/11 and Terry Francona called me and asked "Would you do it?". We'd been together at Birmingham and there weren't a lot of people wanting to jump on planes any time soon, so that's how I did it in 2001.  In 2006, (name I can't decipher) had to back out at the last second and they asked me if I'd go to Havana with Davey Johnson's crew since I had done it in 01.  In 09, Dave Walls backed out at the last second and they needed someone to do it so they called me and I went to Europe for a month.  This year I'll be in the Pan-American Qualifier down in Puerto Rico and they asked me first.

SSS: (interrupting) Congrats!

KC: (laughing) Thank you.  I have great respect for it and it's a great experience.  This year is a non-40 man format, but it's really a unique experience.  I spent 14-15 days last year in Italy and Germany, it's taken me all over.  It's a positive thing.

 

And that ended our time with Kirk.  Look for another interview in 3-4 weeks with someone else from the system (the suspense is killing me too!).

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i want randy williams to stay as far away as possible from chris sale

This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 29, 2010 9:11 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

excellent interview

thanks!

This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 29, 2010 9:13 AM CDT reply actions  

Once again thanks for these interviews

it seems Champion was a bit more willing to be forthright than Manto was.

by Rhubarb on Jul 29, 2010 9:58 AM CDT reply actions  

He didn't adjust

He just made some adjustments.

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Jul 29, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Regardless of who adjusted their adjustments

articles like this can only be found here or at Sox Machine and I am glad there are places like these to learn more about my team. The stuff going into the SunTimes and Trib doesn’t really teach me anything. It is nice to have a ource where corporate editors aren’t watering shit down. Thanks again guys.

by Rhubarb on Jul 29, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

this

Rhubarb you have hit the head on the nail….yah i said it… I too have learned more about our team and sabor metrics through sss and its content, and its made me a better man.

Seriously though, thanx a lot to all involved again. This was a great read, and very insightful. I never really followed the minors too much in the past but I really enjoy hearing about the youngsters progress and look forward to being able to look back on what Ive learned when some of these guys are in the show.

"The trouble with baseball is that the player who knows how to bat and field the best is sitting in the bleachers" or on sss!?!

by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 29, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I couldn't wrap my head around Sabermetrics, being a former player who relied on eyeball and gut

This community has definitely helped me with that and I hope to pass down that part of the game to my son. Enough ass kissing though, you guys are all still assholes!

by Rhubarb on Jul 29, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Couldn't agree more.

I only read the Trib and Sun-Times to see what sort of “stories” they have and then laugh at them for being such idiots.

Print newspaper is in decline anyway.

I see it's "no criminal record" night at the ballpark -- billyok before a game against the A's
I have witnessed the 2005 World Series championship, Mark Buehrle's perfect game, and the 2010 Chicago Blackhawks Stanley Cup championship in my lifetime.

by chisoxfan1473 on Jul 29, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I respect print writers and what they have to do

but they don’t push the envelope enough. To a casual fan their stories are fine but most of their information is easily accessible. That Morrissey article in the Sun-Times this morning was brutal.

by Rhubarb on Jul 29, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

this

I still read the sports section front to back

but this is where I get my main info

something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.

-MarketMaker

by blackoutsox on Jul 29, 2010 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Enjoy the interview, thanks for transcribing them

Just a suggestion, and maybe this is just me, but would it be possible to make the front page portion shorter, cut off a bit earlier before the jump.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 29, 2010 10:09 AM CDT reply actions  

why?

just curious.

SSS has been able to get a lot of value out of him, but I imagine other sites look at his age and the some of the garbage he’s typing and think that he could be one terrible mistyped post from hanging them up.
-Sox Machine on winningugly

by e-gus on Jul 29, 2010 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Because it takes up so much space on the front page

So if I want to go to this article, I have to scroll down more than normal, and I also have to scroll down further to read any other article that still has a discussion going on. This is more of an issue when using a phone.

It’s not a big deal either way.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 29, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

makes sense.

SSS has been able to get a lot of value out of him, but I imagine other sites look at his age and the some of the garbage he’s typing and think that he could be one terrible mistyped post from hanging them up.
-Sox Machine on winningugly

by e-gus on Jul 29, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

not a problem

I didn’t mean to put so much before the jump in this one, but just kept typing. will keep it in mind next time.

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Jul 29, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks, U-God

I can’t believe you ate transcribed the whole thing.

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Jul 29, 2010 10:29 AM CDT reply actions  

Let's just say he adjusted.

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Jul 29, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Or needed to make some adjustments.

"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox

by RWShow on Jul 29, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

?

"The trouble with baseball is that the player who knows how to bat and field the best is sitting in the bleachers" or on sss!?!

by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 29, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

took forever

but i would have felt weird cutting any of it out.

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Jul 29, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well done

Transcribing audio is a bitch.

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Jul 29, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

No kidding.

Learn something. You and HSA have been taken to the woodshed.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 29, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

this is some hi-quality commenting

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by boyonthedock on Jul 29, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

you want me to step down as editor?

fine. i will. and i’ll leave with my head held handsome.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Jul 29, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

indeed it is

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Jul 29, 2010 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

nope

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Jul 29, 2010 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

look at the track listing.

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.

by thatshortkid on Jul 29, 2010 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

you devious bastard

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Jul 29, 2010 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

i cant believe he accidentaly

the whole thing http://www.southsidesox.com/2009/6/10/905599/white-sox-accidentally-the-whole#16839324

"The trouble with baseball is that the player who knows how to bat and field the best is sitting in the bleachers" or on sss!?!

by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 29, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

now that the interviews are over, I finally thought of a question

To both: since neither of you played for the Sox, are you jealous of the lifetime coaching appointments that former Sox players are entitled to?

His name is Rios and he dances on the sand

by Nordhagen on Jul 29, 2010 10:36 AM CDT reply actions  

Hey, show some respect for the game

Like Walk, he played the game the right way so you gotta respect that.

I am become q, fragile headcase

by ChicagoPete on Jul 29, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

On a darker note

666 people now like South Side Sox on Facebook. Can we freeze that number? Seems to go along well with the voodoo, hoodoo and santeria folks in and surrounding the Sox organization are practicing of late.

by Rhubarb on Jul 29, 2010 10:40 AM CDT reply actions  

667

I just liked it. I dont want to fuck around with juju.

His name is Rios and he dances on the sand

by Nordhagen on Jul 29, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

...

The Satanic/Heathenistic juju that is obviosuly pervading our organization has now been compromised.

by Rhubarb on Jul 29, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

667?

we must have quite a few lurkers. what do we have, like maybe 80 regular members of the commentariat?

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by boyonthedock on Jul 29, 2010 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

My wife likes it even though she has never been here. Now I no longer bore her with baseball talk becasue I get it out here.

There are probably some other likes in that category as well.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 29, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

my girlfriend hates SSS

and TVtropes. and AVclub.

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by boyonthedock on Jul 29, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

the gf appreciates sss

only for me not talking her head off too.

i’m gone... bye bitches. - wtgtd

by BoeJouma on Jul 29, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

My wife.....is.....a cub fan....

I know, I know…When I went for the garter at my wedding it was a Cub garter and the DJ started playing, “Go Cubs Go.” There are some hilarious pictures of my shocked self… Her uncle, a Cards, fan was yelling “DONT DO IT” I didnt know what he meant…Apparently the whole wedding was in on the joke…..

by Rhubarb on Jul 29, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

im no wtgtd, but i feel like punching your wife

just kidding. the girlfriend prefers the royals, but shes from kc, so i cant blame her.

i’m gone... bye bitches. - wtgtd

by BoeJouma on Jul 29, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

im no wtgtd, but i feel like punching your wife

just kidding. the girlfriend prefers the royals, but shes from kc, so i cant blame her.

i’m gone... bye bitches. - wtgtd

by BoeJouma on Jul 29, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is a decision I have always reflected on and questioned my sanity

I can’t even imagine what it would be like with a Sox fan wife…

by Rhubarb on Jul 29, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I ran a simulation

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by boyonthedock on Jul 29, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

An asian family running through the Alps?

You may to want to check your input. Funny none-the-less!

by Rhubarb on Jul 29, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

that is horrifying

SSS has been able to get a lot of value out of him, but I imagine other sites look at his age and the some of the garbage he’s typing and think that he could be one terrible mistyped post from hanging them up.
-Sox Machine on winningugly

by e-gus on Jul 29, 2010 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Atleast we all have a sense of humor about it but I owe her one for sure

My son’s name is Hudson. (Did not name after Daniel) Hudson will be a Sox fan…

by Rhubarb on Jul 29, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

sucks for the nats

SSS has been able to get a lot of value out of him, but I imagine other sites look at his age and the some of the garbage he’s typing and think that he could be one terrible mistyped post from hanging them up.
-Sox Machine on winningugly

by e-gus on Jul 29, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

oh not to worry, riggleman will be cautious in managing strasburg's workload

This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 29, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe we can take his injured ass off their hands

just throw him in the dunn trade

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by boyonthedock on Jul 29, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

rays about to make a move?

jeremy hellickson, their top pitching prospect and one of the best overall in baseball, pulled from today’s game after only three innings… they were rumored to be in on dunn but hellickson is a huge overpay – perhaps one less suitor for dunn?

by larry on Jul 29, 2010 11:19 AM CDT reply actions  

interesting

"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe

by Ahillock on Jul 29, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

they'd be crazy to do that.

SSS has been able to get a lot of value out of him, but I imagine other sites look at his age and the some of the garbage he’s typing and think that he could be one terrible mistyped post from hanging them up.
-Sox Machine on winningugly

by e-gus on Jul 29, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

do you believe them?
A lot of twitter followers are wondering about Helly. He is fine. Just keeping his innings in check.

http://twitter.com/DurhamBulls/status/19838937536

by larry on Jul 29, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's averaging 5 2/3 per start this year.

Unless he was getting lit up, I don’t think so.

"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox

by RWShow on Jul 29, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

hey, just noticed your sig

really? what happened?

"The trouble with baseball is that the player who knows how to bat and field the best is sitting in the bleachers" or on sss!?!

by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 29, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

everyone finally told him he sucks

so he “left”

i’m gone... bye bitches. - wtgtd

by BoeJouma on Jul 29, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

That happens all the time

When logic is found weeping in the corner, then you know WTGtD has made an appearance.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 29, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I didn't like the threats (not threets)

being bandied about. Like hunting people down at the Cell like a stalker because of an internet argument. Dangerous craziness.

by Rhubarb on Jul 29, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

which thread was this in?

wtgtd bashings never get boring…which is surprisingly cause they are pretty redundant

"The trouble with baseball is that the player who knows how to bat and field the best is sitting in the bleachers" or on sss!?!

by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 29, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

except there was more after that

SSS has been able to get a lot of value out of him, but I imagine other sites look at his age and the some of the garbage he’s typing and think that he could be one terrible mistyped post from hanging them up.
-Sox Machine on winningugly

by e-gus on Jul 29, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

But when I searched for that, it was enough to find the thread. Only two comments came up when I searched using “Bye Bitches” and only one was from WTGtD.

Keep up this questioning of everyone of my comments e-gus and I’m gonna have to insult your wife.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 29, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

hee

SSS has been able to get a lot of value out of him, but I imagine other sites look at his age and the some of the garbage he’s typing and think that he could be one terrible mistyped post from hanging them up.
-Sox Machine on winningugly

by e-gus on Jul 29, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

i found it

and i found him too…he’s really hurting since he left, all strung out in the garfield park conservatory

"The trouble with baseball is that the player who knows how to bat and field the best is sitting in the bleachers" or on sss!?!

by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 29, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe move Wade Davis and bring Hellickson up?

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 29, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just talked to the folks at Sox park

My wallet that I lost there when I saw Danks one hit the Angels has turned up.
And heres the kicker- it still has money in it!

It seems it was wedged in between the seats, and in fact was not picked from my pocket by trooper’s toddler.

Fantastic.

SSS has been able to get a lot of value out of him, but I imagine other sites look at his age and the some of the garbage he’s typing and think that he could be one terrible mistyped post from hanging them up.
-Sox Machine on winningugly

by e-gus on Jul 29, 2010 12:36 PM CDT reply actions  

You should pick it up during a driving rainstorm.

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Jul 29, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

haha!

SSS has been able to get a lot of value out of him, but I imagine other sites look at his age and the some of the garbage he’s typing and think that he could be one terrible mistyped post from hanging them up.
-Sox Machine on winningugly

by e-gus on Jul 29, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Drinks on e-gus!

"Having resumed drinking alcohol, I cannot for the life of me understand how I ever could've given it up." - Merrick

by gar ridge pride on Jul 29, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

are you sure the White Sox didnt keep any of it?

it IS the trade deadline after all…

His name is Rios and he dances on the sand

by Nordhagen on Jul 29, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

well they said $27 on the phone

and I thought it was closer to $50 but Im totally ok with a $20 finders fee.

SSS has been able to get a lot of value out of him, but I imagine other sites look at his age and the some of the garbage he’s typing and think that he could be one terrible mistyped post from hanging them up.
-Sox Machine on winningugly

by e-gus on Jul 29, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

i need to work on that lil bastard's technique!

what good is he to me if he can lift wallets but not hold on to them?

by Trooper on Jul 29, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

parents just don't understand

he didn’t need to keep it. after a quick fish for info, the kid’s already sold gus’ identity to illegals and his banking information to slovenian hackers.

it was ‘found’ so gus’d be none the wiser until it was far too late.

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.

by thatshortkid on Jul 29, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am changing my son's name to Kirk Champion.

Also, my name, my wife’s name and my daughter’s name.

by The Actual El Guapo on Jul 29, 2010 1:16 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Only if they were born in Granite City.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver

by Chiburb on Jul 29, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I had a hatchet fish named Stubby Clapp

after ‘the mayor of memphis’ since he came home without much of a tail but he recently committed suicide.

SSS has been able to get a lot of value out of him, but I imagine other sites look at his age and the some of the garbage he’s typing and think that he could be one terrible mistyped post from hanging them up.
-Sox Machine on winningugly

by e-gus on Jul 29, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I had a three legged turtle named Chuck

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 29, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

just named our current kitten

ghostface killah

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by boyonthedock on Jul 29, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

my friend has a cat named gay ghost because he humps everything

something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.

-MarketMaker

by blackoutsox on Jul 29, 2010 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

oswalt to phillies

for happ and a couple bums

SSS has been able to get a lot of value out of him, but I imagine other sites look at his age and the some of the garbage he’s typing and think that he could be one terrible mistyped post from hanging them up.
-Sox Machine on winningugly

by e-gus on Jul 29, 2010 2:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Anyone have any idea what Coop means by this?

“upside-down arm action” when referring to Strasburg’s mechanics. I can infer all I want but can someone describe what he means by this?

by Rhubarb on Jul 29, 2010 2:20 PM CDT reply actions  

i was curious about that too.

SSS has been able to get a lot of value out of him, but I imagine other sites look at his age and the some of the garbage he’s typing and think that he could be one terrible mistyped post from hanging them up.
-Sox Machine on winningugly

by e-gus on Jul 29, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah.

having the elbow above the shoulder.

hey swisher...........you know.

by BuehrleMan on Jul 29, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't experts say Prior had flawless mechanics, and the same thing about Strasburg?

Is there a point to listening to anyone besides KenWo when it comes to baseball?

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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 29, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

i think there are two schools of thought.

one favored by tom house and one by mike marshall. i think house was the one saying prior was perfect and marshall said prior was going to be fucked. i’m not 100% certain of this. wouldn’t mind knowing for sure. anyone?

hey swisher...........you know.

by BuehrleMan on Jul 29, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just goes to show

some experts don’t know what the hell they are talking about. When my father played college ball his coach would have benched him if he found out he was lifting weights.

by Rhubarb on Jul 29, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Reminds me of my father's story of playing under an assumed name during college

to have an opportunity to hit against Satchel Paige in an exhibition game. He was the only one to touch him, hit a dribbler down the line, Satchel scooped it up and tagged him hard on his ass and told him he was the first to do so in quite a while.

He was pissed, I guess, because it didn’t look like Satchel was going to show up but at the last second a pink cadillac drove onto the field with a hookerish looking lady driving it. He got out of the car and immediately pitched without takng warmups.

by Rhubarb on Jul 29, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

thats awesome

where was this?

SSS has been able to get a lot of value out of him, but I imagine other sites look at his age and the some of the garbage he’s typing and think that he could be one terrible mistyped post from hanging them up.
-Sox Machine on winningugly

by e-gus on Jul 29, 2010 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think it's just a case of "some" experts

I think there’s a huge amount of uncertainty with regards to pitchers mechanics, much more than is stated explicitly. I’m too lazy and don’t care enough to do it, but I’m sure you can find tons of examples of guys who were said to have awful mechanics who have held up fine and vice versa (like the Mark Prior anecdote given above).

I find this particularly egregious when it comes to draft coverage, where a prospect’s rank will drop precipitously because of mechanical concerns. Then again, saying something like, “I don’t like so-and-so’s mechanics, but I simply do not know if it’s something that will lead to future injury” probably doesn’t lend too much credence to either being considered an expert or, perhaps more importantly, getting a lot of readers.

by CWSKeith on Jul 29, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

He also had a couple of TJs

and some shoulder work. dude doesn’t say pitching with the inverted W makes you a crappy pitcher, just an injury prone one.

by coffeepac on Jul 29, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

me either.

although I do tend to think the opposite of everything larry says.

SSS has been able to get a lot of value out of him, but I imagine other sites look at his age and the some of the garbage he’s typing and think that he could be one terrible mistyped post from hanging them up.
-Sox Machine on winningugly

by e-gus on Jul 29, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Found this

link

“where he holds the ball below his elbow rather than above it in his delivery”

by Rhubarb on Jul 29, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

but they're not hairy

This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 29, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Great stuff U-God, thanks.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 29, 2010 2:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Very, very nice, U-God.

Thank you for being a man of his word and doing a wonderful job.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 29, 2010 2:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Get ready for the roller coaster ride

Buster Olney:

Heard this: The White Sox are saying internally that they are currently out of the mix on Dunn. #trades

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Jul 29, 2010 3:13 PM CDT reply actions  

cost is too high?

or just a bluff on the Sox part?

"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe

by Ahillock on Jul 29, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dunno

This is like the Johnny Damon negotiations all over again.

All I know is that the Sox usually don’t come out winners after a public courting.

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Jul 29, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

only ones i can think of

feddy from the mariners
peavy last year.
uh… konerko resigning?

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by boyonthedock on Jul 29, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

guessing cost too high.

especially if helli rumors have some fire

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by boyonthedock on Jul 29, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like Hawpe

don’t know if the possibility is realistic though

by Rhubarb on Jul 29, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's having a down year

And is in the last guaranteed year of his contract

by joewho112 on Jul 29, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

He hasn't been as regular a starter

as much this year as he was last year I believe. The Rockies OF is crowded. Give him some consistant AB’s at DH/RF perhaps he gets back on track?

by Rhubarb on Jul 29, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fowler!

SSS has been able to get a lot of value out of him, but I imagine other sites look at his age and the some of the garbage he’s typing and think that he could be one terrible mistyped post from hanging them up.
-Sox Machine on winningugly

by e-gus on Jul 29, 2010 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

cargo!

I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok

by mick10 on Jul 29, 2010 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes, him please

i’m gone... bye bitches. - wtgtd

by BoeJouma on Jul 29, 2010 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Berkman?

Earlier today MLBTR quoted someone as saying the Sox were looking everywhere.

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Jul 29, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

possibly

astros just traded for brett wallace

I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok

by mick10 on Jul 29, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

except they didnt...

SSS has been able to get a lot of value out of him, but I imagine other sites look at his age and the some of the garbage he’s typing and think that he could be one terrible mistyped post from hanging them up.
-Sox Machine on winningugly

by e-gus on Jul 29, 2010 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

indirectly, yes.

gose spent all of 13 seconds with houston before heading to toronto for wallace.

by coffeepac on Jul 29, 2010 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

just got far enough in thread to see that.

interesting.

Wallace gets traded a lot.

SSS has been able to get a lot of value out of him, but I imagine other sites look at his age and the some of the garbage he’s typing and think that he could be one terrible mistyped post from hanging them up.
-Sox Machine on winningugly

by e-gus on Jul 29, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

three times now, I think

St. Louis → Oakland → Toronto → Houston

No, wait, where did he start?

by coffeepac on Jul 29, 2010 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you are correct

SSS has been able to get a lot of value out of him, but I imagine other sites look at his age and the some of the garbage he’s typing and think that he could be one terrible mistyped post from hanging them up.
-Sox Machine on winningugly

by e-gus on Jul 29, 2010 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hawpe projects the best out of any of the non-Dunn/Fielder guys who have been mentioned

.378 projected wOBA the rest of the way. Then again, is wOBA adjusted for park?

by CWSKeith on Jul 29, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

are coors field and the cell

that big of a difference anyway?

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by boyonthedock on Jul 29, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Baseball reference's multi-year park factors have Coors as a bit better place to hit

then again, I have no idea how to interpret a five point spread in park factors. It’s probably not enough of a difference, especially considering we’re talking about 60 games the rest of the way.

by CWSKeith on Jul 29, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Berkman is another guy who projects better than Hawpe

just for reference — projected rest-of-season wOBAs:

Dunn – .399
Fielder – .402
Berkman – .383
Scott – .372
Hawpe – 378
LaRoche – .367
Batista – .353
Overbay – .336

by CWSKeith on Jul 29, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yankees say their out as well

I’d have to think the Angels are out too with their recent injury to Joel P. Sounds like the market is drying up.

by joewho112 on Jul 29, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Giants and Rays

who else?

"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe

by Ahillock on Jul 29, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Of the press conference?

No. Not permitted to post audio.

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Jul 29, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Part of their terms of participation

I don’t think there are any legal ramifications, but if I were to post audio, I doubt I’d get invited again.

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Jul 29, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

what jim said

i don’t want to ruin this good thing. i have the audio still and have no plans on deleting it, but can’t ever post it. jim sounds exactly how you think he would sound.

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Jul 29, 2010 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

like he's in his mom's basement?

/joke that no one will ever see

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Jul 31, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Tapas?

DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY

by Ozzie Montana on Jul 29, 2010 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

read all the pamphlets

and watch the tapes!

i’m gone... bye bitches. - wtgtd

by BoeJouma on Jul 29, 2010 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Surprised the Fish have hime playing today then.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 29, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

helmet too low?

DFA

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by boyonthedock on Jul 29, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Will KW make a trade already

"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe

by Ahillock on Jul 29, 2010 3:49 PM CDT reply actions  

kotsay and jones

for scott or berkman

i’m gone... bye bitches. - wtgtd

by BoeJouma on Jul 29, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

How about Linebrink

"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe

by Ahillock on Jul 29, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

him for gallardo

i’m gone... bye bitches. - wtgtd

by BoeJouma on Jul 29, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

i like the way you think

"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe

by Ahillock on Jul 29, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

rosenthal -
#Astros sending Gose to #BlueJays for IF Brett Wallace. Wallace far closer to majors than Gose. Questions about his future position, particularly in NL. #Astros #Blue Jays. #BlueJays had acquired Wallace from #A’s for Michael Taylor, who had come from #Phillies in Roy Halladay trade. So . . . Wallace will go to Triple A. Could be #Astros’ long-term replacement for Berkman at first base.

maybe we will get berkman afterall?

i’m gone... bye bitches. - wtgtd

by BoeJouma on Jul 29, 2010 3:59 PM CDT reply actions  

ooohlalala

get it done kw

"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe

by Ahillock on Jul 29, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

what would the astros want back

young pitching? no hudson, right?

"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe

by Ahillock on Jul 29, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

They need something to replace Oswalt.

It better not be Hudson.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 29, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

torrez and marquez

i’m gone... bye bitches. - wtgtd

by BoeJouma on Jul 29, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

i would do that

"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe

by Ahillock on Jul 29, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

how dumb are the astros lately?

still pretty dumb?

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by boyonthedock on Jul 29, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

yep, still dumb

"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe

by Ahillock on Jul 29, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

carlos lee!

hunter pence!
wandy rodriguez!
… jeff keppinger?

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by boyonthedock on Jul 29, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

my god is lee terrible this year

.283 OBP
.399 SLG

thats mark kotsay territory right there

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by boyonthedock on Jul 29, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

perfect kotsay platoon partner

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by boyonthedock on Jul 29, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Depends on how much salary the Sox want the Astro's to pick up

If the Sox agreed to pay all of it, they probably let him go for scraps

by joewho112 on Jul 29, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

we still have money over from the off-season (damon) right?

"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe

by Ahillock on Jul 29, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

this is what im thinking

something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.

-MarketMaker

by blackoutsox on Jul 29, 2010 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Morel + Marquez?

Organizationally their 3B is weak.

by Rhubarb on Jul 29, 2010 4:09 PM CDT reply actions  

viciedo

i prefer morel stays

I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok

by mick10 on Jul 29, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

i like vidiedo

he should stay

"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe

by Ahillock on Jul 29, 2010 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

i guess they could both stay

but where would teahen play?

I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok

by mick10 on Jul 29, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

At home with his dog.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 29, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

or learning to play baseball

"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe

by Ahillock on Jul 29, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Teahen!

DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY

by Ozzie Montana on Jul 29, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

marquez, danks, shelby

for meyers and berkman. done deal.

i’m gone... bye bitches. - wtgtd

by BoeJouma on Jul 29, 2010 4:25 PM CDT reply actions  

are you making this up?

or is this being talked about

"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe

by Ahillock on Jul 29, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

thanks

"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe

by Ahillock on Jul 29, 2010 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

hudson, flowers and jordan danks

for berkman and pence

I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok

by mick10 on Jul 29, 2010 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your real trades are worse than your fantasy ones.

DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY

by Ozzie Montana on Jul 29, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

this!

SSS has been able to get a lot of value out of him, but I imagine other sites look at his age and the some of the garbage he’s typing and think that he could be one terrible mistyped post from hanging them up.
-Sox Machine on winningugly

by e-gus on Jul 29, 2010 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

haha i was just posting this as a joke

gotta rouse the crowd before a real trade!

i’m gone... bye bitches. - wtgtd

by BoeJouma on Jul 29, 2010 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

ugh this is SOO BaB

Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''

by OznCoop on Jul 29, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

[shiver]

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by boyonthedock on Jul 29, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hate that site

derrick rose is the only thing that keeps me there

something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.

-MarketMaker

by blackoutsox on Jul 29, 2010 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tejada scratched from todays game

looks like he is being traded

"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe

by Ahillock on Jul 29, 2010 4:28 PM CDT reply actions  

that was my guess

"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe

by Ahillock on Jul 29, 2010 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

crossing my fingers that he's got a plane ticket to ChiTown with teammate Luke Scott

Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''

by OznCoop on Jul 29, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

what about scott?

I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok

by mick10 on Jul 29, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

nothing mentioned yet

"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe

by Ahillock on Jul 29, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'm too quick for you today

"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe

by Ahillock on Jul 29, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

twss

I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok

by mick10 on Jul 29, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

dont take it personally

"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe

by Ahillock on Jul 29, 2010 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

just saw this tweet
THTFantasy The Astros MAY have just (or are in the process of) trading Berkman to the Chi Sox for D. Hudson. No confirmation, but Wallace just traded.

seems like it shouldn’t be taken too seriously though.

by Ryno on Jul 29, 2010 4:39 PM CDT reply actions  

rec for truth

"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10

by Ahillock on Jul 29, 2010 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Am I wrong to think Berkman should cost less?

Hudson for Berkman and Myers would seem more reasonable.. The guy is a declining one year rental.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 29, 2010 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

depends on how much salary houston is willing to pay

he has a club option for 11

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by mick10 on Jul 29, 2010 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

they might if houston pays half of it

I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok

by mick10 on Jul 29, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

unless hudson is the guy they want

I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok

by mick10 on Jul 29, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Joe stop getting crazy

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Jul 29, 2010 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Berkman's value is like 1WAR this year (maybe) and let's say 3 WAR next

That’s about $12MM of surplus value if he is free.

Hudson makes the minimum for the next three years. If he is average (2 WAR/year) that is $16MM plus three years of arbitration at a discounted price.

by joewho112 on Jul 29, 2010 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

huh?

Its 1.9 this year.
3.3 last year and 7.5 in 08

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Jul 29, 2010 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

he's not average, he sucks

I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok

by mick10 on Jul 29, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

i agree

that trade would suck for us. i like the idea of getting berkman, but not for hudson.

by Ryno on Jul 29, 2010 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Woah Kenny

Don’t do it!

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Jul 29, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

i don't want Myers

I don’t see him performing well in the AL.

by shaftr on Jul 29, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I see him performing better

Than anyone else we would pick up if we’re moving Hudson.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 29, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

that is true,

but Im not sure Berkman is worth it

Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''

by OznCoop on Jul 29, 2010 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

i don't like either of them

and don’t want them anywhere near the white sox.
i do like berkman but have no idea what it would be worth for the sox to give up.

hey swisher...........you know.

by BuehrleMan on Jul 29, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Berkman or Scott

I’d be happy with either of those two, as long as we get to keep Hudson.

by shaftr on Jul 29, 2010 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes. want to keep hudson.

don’t like scott. he’s on my list.

hey swisher...........you know.

by BuehrleMan on Jul 29, 2010 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Im not really making any opinion without seeing potential names and cash involved.

Unlike others Im not down on Berkman and think he’d perform quite well in the Cell next year.

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Jul 29, 2010 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree here. He isn't THAT old.

Plus he is playing on a very shitty team. Get him in a penant race and he is tits I’ll bet.

by Rhubarb on Jul 29, 2010 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

.372/.439

I’ll take that

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by boyonthedock on Jul 29, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lily will get massacred in the Cell.

DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY

by Ozzie Montana on Jul 29, 2010 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

me neither,

it’s a Ted Lilly situation in my opinion

Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''

by OznCoop on Jul 29, 2010 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I see your point,

but its basically a matter of Berkman’s worth

Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''

by OznCoop on Jul 29, 2010 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't like the trade either

I’m just trying to justify what would make it reasonable.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 29, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

would be interesting to throw 3 lefties against the twinks

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by mick10 on Jul 29, 2010 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

perhaps you are confusing Myers

He’s a decent pitcher

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Jul 29, 2010 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

fuck that deal

"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10

by Ahillock on Jul 29, 2010 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fun fact for the day:

Sox in the last 43 games: 32-11 and outscored our opponents 221-127. I like small ball.

"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10

by Ahillock on Jul 29, 2010 4:45 PM CDT reply actions  

thought that went without saying

"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10

by Ahillock on Jul 29, 2010 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jermaine Dye.

still unsigned, still unretired, and physically fresh…thats my DH if I’m Kenny

Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''

by OznCoop on Jul 29, 2010 4:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Thank God you are not Kenny

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Jul 29, 2010 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

for a million bucks why not take a shot,

Dye > Jones,Kotsay ….no brainer imo

Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''

by OznCoop on Jul 29, 2010 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

They taken enough shots

Get a real hitter

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Jul 29, 2010 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes,

but this doesnt cost us anyone on our roster…except whoever they decide to cut. I know this wont happen, but it makes sense to me

Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''

by OznCoop on Jul 29, 2010 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I mean theres no way hes gonna hit less than Jones's .210

Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''

by OznCoop on Jul 29, 2010 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your point

I think we want them to do MUCH better than that. Jones can field.

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Jul 29, 2010 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks entirely to hanging breaking balls

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Jul 29, 2010 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

but NL games dont

something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.

-MarketMaker

by blackoutsox on Jul 29, 2010 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

bc he had old tired legs and a half a season of baseball in his rearview mirror

Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''

by OznCoop on Jul 29, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

By this theory either one of 2 conclusions can be had:

1) He has not been playing baseball in his time off and thus he will not be prepared to jump right back in and contribute, or:
2) He has been playing baseball in his time off and he will have old tired legs which will cause a repeat of last season

by CatBrains on Jul 29, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

he just needs to trot

I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok

by mick10 on Jul 29, 2010 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Stretch it out.

DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY

by Ozzie Montana on Jul 29, 2010 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

pre allstar #'s last year,

.302, 20, 55 with fresh legs…sounds good to me for the last half of the season

Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''

by OznCoop on Jul 29, 2010 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

JD is fat and out of shape

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Jul 29, 2010 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Darius Rucker = Jermaine Dye!?

Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''

by OznCoop on Jul 29, 2010 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

and PS3!

"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10

by Ahillock on Jul 29, 2010 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

ah shit

well then….. he won’t……… seeanythingtota……. ke notes on.

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.

by thatshortkid on Jul 29, 2010 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tejada to Padres

via 670 The Score

Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''

by OznCoop on Jul 29, 2010 5:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Dunn rumors not done ( har har -- see what i did there?)

from Heyman’s twitter:

#chisox among teams trying for adam dunn. 3-way scenarios with edwin jackson going to #nats are in play.

and

dunn derby could be like a damon repeat: white sox vs. tigers. plenty of interest in slugger.

http://twitter.com/si_jonheyman

by CWSKeith on Jul 29, 2010 5:44 PM CDT reply actions  

aren't the tigers done for the year?

"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10

by Ahillock on Jul 29, 2010 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe we could get damon back?

something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.

-MarketMaker

by blackoutsox on Jul 29, 2010 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

olney just tweeted

that berkman is our plan b

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