The Edwin Jackson Praise or Complaint Thread
by larry on Jul 30, 2010 9:02 AM CDT
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PrintDan Hudson and David Holmberg to Arizona for Edwin Jackson. Lucas Harrell recalled from AAA to start tonight.
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I agree/disagree with this move!!!
It makes me happy/upset!!!
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
I'm more interested in YOUR opinion than those of the miscreants and misfits who comment here.
(Including myself.)
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver
if they don't make this trade
i think they’ve done a pretty good job of showing their lack of confidence in hudson. in that case, good luck tonight, kid.
if hudson is gone who starts tonight? harrell?
also, do you really think the lack of confidence they are showing is really that damaging?
hey swisher...........you know.
harrell is scheduled tonight.
have to come in from louisville. if he isn’t already on his way as insurance.
i'd point out as well
that charlie shirek, who is a starter, was promoted to charlotte yesterday or the day before. and he’d be on more than regular rest tonight if charlotte needs him to go.
thanks.
and if the sox made any type of move, ie putting someone on a plane, scratching someone from a start i trust that you would provide us that information. (and i mean that and intend it as a complement)
hey swisher...........you know.
as for damaging, who knows.
i’d find it kind of hard to concentrate on preparing for my start if i’m hearing that i may be on a plane to arizona or washington or milwaukee or houston or wherever tonight. not to mention if that trade is for a starting pitcher. or maybe he’s a chip on his shoulder guy.
yeah. you never know. maybe they're testing him to see if he's chicago tough.
all i know is i’m having trouble concentrating and i’m not even scheduled to start tonight.
hey swisher...........you know.
youre not scheduled to start drinking tonight?
"The trouble with baseball is that the player who knows how to bat and field the best is sitting in the bleachers" or on sss!?!
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 30, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
He'd have to be pretty damn tough to make a start for the team that just traded him.
I’d say it’s worth finding out what we have in him.
You guys win. You can keep your little marked-out piece of internet territory. Spend your days communicating via keyboard with people too ugly for the real world and too nerdy for anyone to care, anyway. Your piece of land is here. Do the rest of civilization a favor and stay within its limits. You bore me. Have fun with your nightly sobs and screams into your pillow over your inability to attract a good mate, Radiohead. ~The Hooligan
by Daniel Berlyn on Jul 30, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
joe c says
it may go down this morning
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 30, 2010 9:15 AM CDT reply actions
I like him. I wanted him from the rays in the 2008 offseason
But id like to give up less than Hudson.
by nsam93 on Jul 30, 2010 9:15 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
do not want.
i don’t see him being much of an upgrade over hudson or garcia. no thanks! get a bat, KW.
i agree with CC's take on this
Both Rosenthal and Cowley are leaning in the direction of this being a move in which the Sox would bolster their rotation, but it’s worth noting (as Rosenthal does before playing it down) that the Nationals have been rumored to want Edwin Jackson for weeks now, and they happen to have one Adam Dunn, who the Sox want.
I understand that the Sox are in a playoff race and don’t really trust Daniel Hudson right now, but Edwin Jackson — no hitter notwithstanding — is no great shakes himself. He’s got a 5.16 ERA, has a WHIP of 1.49 and leads the league in wild pitches for cryin’ out loud. If the Nats are still at all interested in the guy, it seems almost criminal to not try to flip him for Dunn.
And if it really is pitching you want, aren’t there any better available options than Edwin Jackson?
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 30, 2010 9:16 AM CDT reply actions
but if this is to flip for dunn, i think there are better options for the sox altogether
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 30, 2010 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Edwin Jackson would make a fine 4th/5th starter.
As soon as Hudson is traded his career is over, that is how these things work.
career isn't over for clayton richard or gio gonzalez
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 30, 2010 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Thank you.
Never let facts get in the way at the deadline. This is ALL ABOUT EMOTION!
"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox
i would take a 2011 rotation of danks, floyd, peavy, buerhle and hudson
over one with jackson replacing hudson, because we’ll already be locked up with $$$ in danks, floyd, peavy…hudson is a servicable starter and locked up for multiple years cheap
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 30, 2010 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions
This
Getting Jackson basically means another offseason of filling holes with cheap scraps instead of quality starters
Yep and yep.
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
this guy has been traded just about every year
anything wrong with him?
Mark Teahen peed in my canteen.
by SavePeavytill2010 on Jul 30, 2010 9:19 AM CDT reply actions
Steve Phillips says Jackson will be flipped for Dunn
And if the Nats say no – the Sox are happy to keep him.
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
Dislike.
Even if flipped for Dunn, who is the new 5th starter? Another move would have to happen for this to make sense.
If the Sox just truly want Edwin Jackson that is a bad move too. I have not had a chance to look at his numbers in depth yet in Arizona but a 5+ ERA in the NL is telling. He had a great 1st half last season and went to crap right after.
Nice thing about the Sox
“another prospect” probably isn’t very good if you’ve already included Hudson.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 30, 2010 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions
i knew a kid in high school with an interesting arm...
it was about 8 inches shorter than the other one.
by Hatchetm on Jul 30, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
There was a time and a place
when someone who threw a no-hitter would be respected. Coop is a genius right?
huh, why don't we flip him to the twins for delmon young
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 30, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Throws hard, has trouble with walks..
Seems like Coop could make it work, but it would be nice if he had a third pitch though.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 30, 2010 9:38 AM CDT reply actions
is kw so add that he just has to make a trade this year for the sake of making a trade
fuck this idea, he better be bluffing and have a better poker face than this
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
I'm on the road
Has anything actually happened
They touched me where it hurts most... - Ozzie
by Shakey on Jul 30, 2010 9:45 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Alomar and Everett are coming back!!!
Mark Teahen peed in my canteen.
by SavePeavytill2010 on Jul 30, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions
think of the speed....and the caught stealing
Mark Teahen peed in my canteen.
by SavePeavytill2010 on Jul 30, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
or, you could have one pinch run for the other one late in the game
to ensure you have first inning top speed at all times!
Prince?
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
haha, ahhh, joe
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 30, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I trust that Coop can work with Jackson...
….but he’s going to need time, something that you don’t necessarily have when the Twins are breathing down your neck. For the time being, is Jackson that big of an upgrade over Hudson? Not sure what Baltimore’s stance is on trading Scott/Guthrie, but I can’t imagine their demands are going to match Washington’s. I’m not a Guthrie fan, but he’s solidly unspectacular and you’d get your LH power bat too. Honestly though, I don’t think we need to add a hitter.
You don't think we need to add another hitter???
This is the team that trots out Andruw Jones and Mark Kotsay. How can we not need another hitter?
by Grinder in Training on Jul 30, 2010 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Those two blow but..
Pitching will win this thing. This team is 2005 scrappy. I’d rather see us add a pitcher. What if Freddy starts to slip. Then we have three or maybe two reliable starters down the stretch.
If you know they are terrible
Why would you accept them on the team? It’s an easy fix.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 30, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
For all their faults...
…Jones can still play D and run decently well. And Ozzie is in love with Kotsay. Thome never won us a World Series. Dunn is a younger version of Thome.
Who cares if Ozzie loves Kotsay?
What does that matter? It doesn’t make him good at baseball.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 30, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't love him anymore
not after hearing the convincing argument: “[he] never won us a World Series”
He pissed me off when he asked so much for a 1yr contract for this year.
"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat
by South Side Expat on Jul 30, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah he's a big doucher.
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 30, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
And an unclutch baseclogging clubhouse cancer.
"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox
He's pretty much the most arrogant, self-centered
asshole we’ve ever had on the team. And that includes even Lillibridge.
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 30, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
Team chem is underrated. This team goes first to third all the time. Want to add a base clogger like Dunn who if he’s not hitting HR’s is worthless?
Base clogging is perhaps the biggest mark on an idiot that can be emitted from a baseball fan.
Case in point, the first time I heard it was from a Dusty Baker press conference.
"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God
Bottom line:
Like I just said, Dunn is a younger version of Thome. Do you want to make the playoffs or do you want to win the World Series?
huh?
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Jul 30, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Dunn would help both of those chances
But would not be worth years of a cost-controlled Hudson since he will also leave at teh end of the season.
"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God
Might as well attempt to get Fielder....
…at least you’d have him for 2011. But I guess he clogs the bases too haha. I guess I want this team to look more like 2005 than anything else because I know it worked. It’s gonna take pitching to beat TB/Tex/NYY though.
not happening
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
If you think clogging bases is a bad thing
I would suggest this may not be the place for you.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 30, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
i want to win the world series.
i could care less if they make the playoffs
hey swisher...........you know.
Andruw Jones has never won a World Series, he's dragging the team down!
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 30, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Ok... whatever side you come down on the debate of getting Thome this year...
anyone making an argument that Dunn is a crappy player because he is a younger version of a hall of famer is nothing short of a complete fucking idiot
by CatBrains on Jul 30, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
When he is not hitting HR, he is getting BB
Which are in fact valuable. You only get 27 outs. Not making one 40% of the time is highly valuable.
Not to mention, Kotsay is worthless and doesn’t hit homers therefore Dunn >>>>> Kotsay.
Also, you are dumb
Ozzie is also an idiot
Who has run this team into a lot of outs and possibly, lost wins.
"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God
he doesnt steal bases or go 1st to 3rd
juan pierre, now that’s a ball player
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
So?
He clogs second base, just as bad as clogging first.
I’m calling Kotsay, “Drano” from now on.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 30, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Given that I question Freddy as a reliable fourth starter (Sorry KenWo)
I would be a little worried.
"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God
i hope floyd doesn't keep up his 6-8 pace either
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 30, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
How often do you think a 5th starter will be used the rest of the way?
by Grinder in Training on Jul 30, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
baseclogging stuff aside
i think part of what’s trying to be communicated is trading hudson for some hitter fills one hole but creates one as well. feel free to correct me if i’m wrong.
hey swisher...........you know.
That's obvious though.
Of course we’d have to add a pitcher also. What he’s saying is ridiculous.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 30, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
I think we're all capable of understanding that.
But, if someone doesn’t hold Hudson in high regard (as several people here have decided to anoint him the next Danny Wright), then the hole in the rotation is less troublesome.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 30, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't know?
What does lack a 5th starter mean? I’d guess they would make a deal for a pitcher also.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
With what though. What could we hope to get back if we use our best chip on Dunn?
And don’t say Jackson.
"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God
If you get Dunn/Berkman whatever for Hudson
4th/5th starters really don’t cost much
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
But Dunn/Berkman shouldn't cost Hudson
less than half a season rental shouldn’t merit top prospect.
"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God
I meant whatever combo has Hudson gone
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Other than a Werth or Fielder type
I don’t think it’s worth givign up Hudson.
"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God
I not arguing worth
I understand HUdson’s value. You asked what they would do a the 5th rotation spot. The answer is those starters are cheap.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Good point
But since I’m one of those who see Hudson as far better than a 4/5 starter. I will stee grouse if we deal him for pennies on the dollar.
"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God
A 5th starter rental
Will not cost you basically anything.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 30, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Cowley
Hold off on the Jackson trade folks, KW has something big cooking and if he gets it done Jackson trade is off.
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
you da man
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 30, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Youdaman doesn't judge by people's value though.
It is an equal opportunity posting.
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 30, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
You da man.
They touched me where it hurts most... - Ozzie
by Shakey on Jul 30, 2010 9:48 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
you da man too
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 30, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Mobile you da manning...
Nearly impossible.
They touched me where it hurts most... - Ozzie
by Shakey on Jul 30, 2010 9:51 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Everbody gets to be daman!
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 30, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Rosenthal Tweets
Ken_Rosenthal
Source: Dunn still in play for #WhiteSox, poss 3-way with #D-backs, Jackson would go to #Nationals – or if deal fails, end up (more) #MLB
Ken_Rosenthal
with #WhiteSox. Deal in #Nationals’ hands. #WhiteSox’s Hudson ends up with #Diamondbacks either way. Highly unlikely to start tonight. #MLB
well...
"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok
by DrEmilioLizardo on Jul 30, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
I especially enjoy the crotch hair all over his face
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 30, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
he's got to spend his time doing something...
"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok
by DrEmilioLizardo on Jul 30, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
and more from Cowley
cst_sox
If I had names I would report them. All I’ve been told is it’s big. Also been told that the chance of Hudson starting tonight is almost zero
tony pena tonight then?
Mark Teahen peed in my canteen.
by SavePeavytill2010 on Jul 30, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
or lucas harrell perhaps, see larry's post above
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 30, 2010 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
If they're going to get rid of Hudson, Jackson is a pretty pointless return.
At least get the power bat that Ozzie invariably benches twice a week for Andruw Jones.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
No Jackson thanks
The fire better be worth all of this smoke and giving up a cost-controlled Hudson.
"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God
You know what
Methinks I’ll wait for something “real” to happen before I make up my mind on anything.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
any deal involving Hudson, better land a starting pitcher
Mark Teahen peed in my canteen.
by SavePeavytill2010 on Jul 30, 2010 10:07 AM CDT reply actions
and more
cst_sox
Jackson-Hudson deal is not off, it’s just being delayed while KW tries to shock the world. Hudson for Jackson might still happen either way.
Sox held onto Brandon McCarthy
and got Danks in return. I’d rather hold Hudson for upside trade value down the road rather than make an 11th hour deal now.
McCarthy was about to go to DC for Soriano
Probably would have prevented the swoon at the end of ’06. But then again, no Danks.
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
seize my balls?
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Jul 31, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
well
it looks like we know Hudson is gone.
The question is, who for?
Edwin Jackson?
Adam Dunn?
Mystery deal?
fielder
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 30, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
i have a question.
how on earth was cowley supposed to have today off? anyone following his twitter? i thought he was joking at first, now i think he’s serious. am i being whoshed? and if he is serious, really, how could he have been scheduled to be off on this particular day.
hey swisher...........you know.
Boneür
Here’s what I’ve just been told – "If [KW] pulls this off, the Sox will be considerably better by tonight.’’
signature
dunn or berkman?
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 30, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
might still be looking like Dunn
SI_JonHeyman
still seems to be optimism for #chisox, #dbacks deal. 3-way possibilities alive. chicago does like dunn, nats love jackson
I don't know what the move is,
but i feel movement in my drawers.
"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox
Brett Myers and Dunn, boom roasted.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 30, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dunn or Fielder would be nice and possibly just rentals....but I'm more worried about the pitching going forward
Mark Teahen peed in my canteen.
by SavePeavytill2010 on Jul 30, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
We'd still have the big 4
Just need a 5th starter to go with them.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 30, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
? is who, would be the 5th starter
i’m not at all comfortable with Garcia as the 4th starter
Mark Teahen peed in my canteen.
by SavePeavytill2010 on Jul 30, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
What?
Buehrle, Peavy, Danks, Floyd = Big 4 going forward.
This year, there’s less than 10 starts left for the 5th starter anyways, and really only use the first 3 in the playoffs.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 30, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't care about next year yet...I guess your confident in the starting rotation as it stands minus Hudson.
Buehrle, Danks, Floyd, Garcia and who? I guess if they go 4 man rotation it might work out. Just worried that the way it is going with the Twins right now, the Sox may have to sweep the red sox and indians in the final week of the season just to take the division. very hard to do with Garcia and ? rounding out the starting staff.
Mark Teahen peed in my canteen.
by SavePeavytill2010 on Jul 30, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Any 5th starter won't have much of an influence on the rest of the season.
Especially when the drop off is just from Dan Hudson. A big bat would make more of a difference, and we’d obviously sign some veteran, so the drop off would probably be negligible for this year.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 30, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
fine, if they sign someone for a 4th or 5th spot, just not much margin for error with the Twinkies on your arse!
Mark Teahen peed in my canteen.
by SavePeavytill2010 on Jul 30, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
But there isn't one now?
At least we’d have a good hitter
by Grinder in Training on Jul 30, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
You have to factor in who Ozzie would sit for said good hitter though
We would all look at Kotsay and say grab some bench.
Ozzie might say that to Q and we would basically be in the same boat.
"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God
stop it
Ozzie is not going to bench Q for Kotsay
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
He's also never DH Omar Vizquel
Oh wait. I see it as entirely likely that Kotsay would still be part of a rotating DH even if we get Dunn.
I just don’t see Ozzie admitting the DHydra was wrong.
"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God
No one said he wouldn't
People said it wouldn’t be enough to matter. And guess what? It hasn’t. Kotsay plays now because they don’t have options.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
I hope you are right
I don’t think you are. But I hope you are.
"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God
Also, Viciedo could have used a few more major league swings
When it became obvious that Kotsay had nothing. Yet, Ozzie kept putting him in there so my thought isn’t exactly baseless.
I know we would be talking about an established hitter here, but I don’t put it past Ozzie to play his man.
"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God
With Viciedo, My theory is that Ozzie may have been protecting his trade value
He was putting him in in positions where he was highly likely to shine and hid his flaws so he would appear more appealing to trade partners.
After the deadline if he is not traded, I would expect him to be pushed more, but I have no basis for that.
My theory is Ozzie is a douche bag
So it is hard for me to think Ozzie would be that clever. I also think Viciedo played well enoguh to deserve more chances so Ozzie’s plan is either working or he is indeed, a douche bag.
"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God
dils
in reference to the dils?
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 30, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
wtf does that mean?????
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Screw Frank Thomas,
We should’ve named Shingo a club ambassador.
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 30, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
You gotta love this shit.
It’s so much fun.
"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox
By "movement in my drawers"
I was referring to my johnson.
Next time, I promise to do a better job of clarifying between dick and shit.
"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox
by RWShow on Jul 30, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
sig worthy
White Sox fan; Jeppson's Malort man
by KarkoviceIsHawt on Jul 30, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
"son... see that? that's Shineola... and that there on the ground?"
"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok
by DrEmilioLizardo on Jul 30, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
Being a White Sox fan is not just about liking baseball, it’s liking the clubhouse drama and the wheeling and dealing.
Someone should make a show about them.
"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat
by South Side Expat on Jul 30, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I'm one of those that don't want to see any big trade
but I got to admit that this stuff is fun and KW does have a great track record.
Griffey Jr., Alomar
I’d call it more mixed. Sorry to be negative. I love Kenny.
"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God
Danks, Gavin
I call it better than most others
He's talking specifically about deadline deals.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 30, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
we don't need joe c when we already have larry to tell us of probable pitchers tonight
C. Torres pitched Thursday night for Charlotte, so no, you didn’t see him at the airport.
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 30, 2010 10:35 AM CDT reply actions
The most encouraging thing is KW
Seems to NOT be listening to Ozzie or Konerko or whoever wants to says “we’re fine the way we are.”
Thank you Kenny from the bottom of my heart.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
I can get behind that, but I just hope we don't overpay.
"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God
fuck darin erstad, andy gonzalez, scott podsednik v.1, and jerry owens
and lastly paul konerko
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 30, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
it's strange.
other than omar saying they need to get someone, everyone else seems to want to keep things like they are. am i wrong in that perception?
hey swisher...........you know.
No your not wrong
I noticed the same thing. Its like Omar is the only one that can look past the current situation.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
if it is true then
are there concerns about how the team would respond to some type of big move?
hey swisher...........you know.
But to be fair,
Everyone fought in spring training against Ozzie wanting this team in his way. Well it’s worked. So I can’t blame Ozzie and those players involved for feeling like they can get it done without a major move
perhaps it can work better.
WSB 2010: even if it works, it’s still stupid.
hey swisher...........you know.
by BuehrleMan on Jul 30, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
? Or he's 43 and doesn't give a shit
No one is going to say what they need, you are insulting your teammate if you do so. If I’m Paul Konerko and I say we really need another bat, how is that going to look in the lockerroom?
by Grinder in Training on Jul 30, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i understand not wanting to say something
but for whatever reason i have the feeling that they actually feel that way. (like they don’t need any help). i’m not saying i can’t be wrong about that. there’s no real way to know though.
hey swisher...........you know.
Konerko hasn't needed help in his head since 2004
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
KW to whoever he is trying to pull this off with -
“Don’t make me have Walker come visit you.”
"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat
by South Side Expat on Jul 30, 2010 10:39 AM CDT reply actions
"I'll send Herm to give you a massage!"
I understand they are magical.
"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok
by DrEmilioLizardo on Jul 30, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Cowley knows something but he ain't sayin
This is driving me nuts!
Ahhhh!!!
Dammit I just want to know who’s pitching tonight! I got good seats!
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 30, 2010 10:50 AM CDT reply actions
Chris Sale.
"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok
by DrEmilioLizardo on Jul 30, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Cowley's busy lighting bags of shit on fire at OCab's house.
larry’s busy banging Cowley’s wife.
"and to think that we're sex games over .500" - blackoutsox
I cant picture larry waiting in line....
"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok
by DrEmilioLizardo on Jul 30, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Freaking Twitter
Keeps crapping out.
The trade deadline is important stuff. Not: “THE GUESTS ON MAURY BE CRAZY LOLOLOLOLOL!!!”
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
Myers
SI_JonHeyman
#chisox have looked at brett myers, as nightengale said, chicago wants a hitter (dunn?) and pitcher
I believe I recommended Myers yesterday.
KW taking advice from the right people.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 30, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
As a 5th starter?
Of course I’ll disagree. He doesn’t have to be good.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 30, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
what's the dirt on him yo
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 30, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Somehow Im not worried about a guy getting inside
if he’s the leader of a choke a ho tribe.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
ahhh
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 30, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Meh
I’m okay with trading for Jackson if he’s part of a big deal to get Dunn or something, but otherwise giving up Hudson to get Jackson is just dumb. I see no reason to think Jackson is any better than Hudson except one likely fluky season with the Tigers where he was pretty awesome, but he’s regressed this year and his numbers are awful.
If this is the deal for Dunn, I can’t understand why they wouldn’t want Hudson over Jackson, and I’m worried this deal might totally empty our minor league system. Which is what we do, I guess.
Obligatory: We wouldn’t have to be “cooking something big” if we had just signed Jim Thome for twenty bucks.
at least you are not bitter.
"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok
by DrEmilioLizardo on Jul 30, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
joe cowley is a __________
Breaking news – Steelers camp opens today! Gotcha, now get your lazy-ass back to work people. Breath, relax …
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 30, 2010 10:58 AM CDT reply actions
haa haa... I actually like him, for as much of a jackhole that he is...
"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok
by DrEmilioLizardo on Jul 30, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Every recap of every game we win starts the same way.
Back X amount of weeks ago, the Sox were 9.5 games out of 1st. Now they’ve won X of the last X….
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 30, 2010 11:10 AM CDT reply actions
larry is one of joe c's sources, but joe fucked it up by adding on unrealistic bs
Harrell is scheduled to pitch for Charlotte tonight, but another option could be Jeff Marquez on three days rest. That is if Hud is gone.
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 30, 2010 11:11 AM CDT reply actions
Google searches on all relevant minor pitchers facebook pages
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Berkman and Myers?
ed_price
There is buzz about the #WhiteSox going for #Astros Lance Berkman. He has .874 OPS vs RHP.
BNightengale
#mlb #white sox Sox GM Kenny Williams, the king of the trade deadline, is quietly exploring possibility of acquring Brett Myers from Astros
Astros just got Brett Wallace -- 1B of the future?
Wallace could play immediately, so maybe yesterday’s deal was made to move Berkman today.
that would make sense
They’ve got to do something to stop the fans from whining, you better have a promising replacement in hand if you get rid of your most popular player.
I am become q, fragile headcase
by ChicagoPete on Jul 30, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
berkman has a no-trade clause i think, so perhaps they're trying to work that issue out
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 30, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, looks like they don't have the patience to go with Hudson the rest of the way
I’m not an AJ fan, but he’s not an idiot. If he’s calling for 10 straight fastballs from him he’s pretty much saying, “Ok douchebag, you can’t get anything else over the plate. Grow some balls and throw some strikes.”
Two out of three starts and he couldn’t get his 2nd or 3rd pitch over the plate. You can’t babysit him during a pennant race.
I am become q, fragile headcase
by ChicagoPete on Jul 30, 2010 11:19 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
edwin jackson. now there's a guy a think of when i think of repeating mechanics.
by larry on Jul 30, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree, they're giving up on him too quickly
But they’ve got a great shot at making the playoffs this year, who knows what this team will look like next year. I don’t think they can stomach running a rookie out there every 5 days the next two months.
I am become q, fragile headcase
by ChicagoPete on Jul 30, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
We'd still be doing that with whatever retread 4/5 we pick up to fill his spot though.
So, if you are doing that, you should make sure the return is greater than Dunn.
"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God
we'll see who blinks
I am become q, fragile headcase
by ChicagoPete on Jul 30, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
that was foul
lol
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Cole: so harrell it is
whatever that means
by stanchar on Jul 30, 2010 11:22 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Getting back to the original theme...
Concerning original thread question: Please no straight-up Hudson-for-Jackson trade. Please.
Concerning newer shit: Why in the hell would the Nats want Jackson over Hudson?
Concerning Brett Myers: Fuck no.
Concerning Adam Dunn: I guess? The sad part is I could see Kotsay getting starts over him in Ozzieland.
Oh, you have summoned the wrath of Tdogg now.
"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God
by justjc on Jul 30, 2010 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
jesus christ
stop with this stupid shit
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
by Tdogg on Jul 30, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
larry, cough it up. We know you know.
What did KW say when he called you?
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 30, 2010 11:27 AM CDT reply actions
Something, something, something, focus, something, lose sleep, etc.
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
What I want KW to do is invent a fucking time machine and sign Thome last offseason
All this crap because they decided having a DH that could field was important. Look, it’s possible Keith Law is right and Hudson blows and will continue to blow. But trading him for $8M walk machine Edwin Jackson?
If Jackson isn’t flipped it assures that one of Danks or Floyd gets traded this offseason, because they can’t have that much $$ in the rotation.
If Jackson is flipped then the rotation is screwed. It probably already is since they already have to hope Freddy’s arm doesn’t fall off.
In any case the Sox are going rip a bunch of young talent out of their system and pay more $$ because Thome isn’t an outfielder. Jackasses.
What a mess.
thanks for checking in
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Fair point that I contributed nothing useful to the discussion...
But you can’t tell me your excited about trading Hudson and Holmberg for Jackson.
by hitlesswonder on Jul 30, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
That is some hot misery porn.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 30, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
What crap?
The Sox are in first freaking place. I really don’t get this Thome thing and everybody that wants him back. I mean seriously. Aren’t the Sox on a rate to hit just as many , if not more HRs this year than last? It wasn’t like Thome was going to play forever anyway so something was going to have to change regardless at the DH spot.
Do you not watch the games. Do you not see all the spree killing GIDPs coming out of the five hole
Yes we have it nice right now, but it could have been better very easily and at next to no cost. That is the gripe. We could be even farther in first place and not needing to worry about adding a bat.
"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God
Sure I see GIDPs
I also see guys that can get on base without needing 2 more hits to drive them in. I also see hitters that aren’t automatic outs against lefties. It’s just not about Kotsay who sucks but also about Andruw Jones that can spell Quentin in right and still give you 14 HRs in limited action. We could just as well be in second place with Thome at DH. We don’t know what the outcome would’ve been. All I know is that we are in first place and one of the best hitting teams in baseball since the All-star break.
Actually, it really is just about Kotsay who sucks
We could have Thome instead of Kotsay. A guy who’s good instead of a guy who sucks.
And since when does Kotsay get on base in order to be driven in by a single? His OBP is .305. He barely gets on base at all! Thome’s at .393. You’d rather have a marginally faster guy on base less often?
And not an automatic out against lefties?
Kotsay has a .000/.105/.000 line against lefties this year. Zero hits! If that’s not an automatic out, what is? Thome’s at .220/.278/.380. Not great, but still exponentially better than Kotsay.
it was time to move on.
they couldn’t let thome stay, after what they did to frank…
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 30, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
That's "Ambassador" Frank, pal.
"Unemployment benefits are creating jobs faster than practically any other program...It injects demand into the economy... It creates jobs faster than almost any other initiative you can name."
- House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (7/1/10) – God help us.
You get it though right? You can't let Frank leave the way he did, then give Thome special treatment.
Treat everyone equally, gain respect of the players.
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 30, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
plus that whole situation was getting stale.
too many aww shuckses, and ice cream cones for my blood.
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 30, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Is the DH spot in the lineup on pace to hit the same number of HRs?
How about walks, single, and double?
Nope.
myers and jackson both suck ass
dunn isnt worth the cost…we should get someone like luke scott or laroche and stick with hudson…if he sucks it up we can skip him in september anyway
I hear this a lot
Hudson is too much for Dunn, let’s get Scott instead. It’s not like Scott is free.
Luke Scott for Linebrink, it's so easy!
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 30, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
so luke scott is going to cost dan hudson and more?
no way….we could get him for prospects we will never miss
so myers sucks huh?
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Do some research Tdogg!
Myers xFIP is quite good over the last few years. Look past just ERA young jedi.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
You really think it's Berkman?
He’s got a vested no-trade clause. Which means 99% certain he’ll shoot down any trade where the 2011 option doesn’t get exercised. I don’t see how Sox would agree to that.
6 years/$85M (2005-10), plus 2011 club option
signed extension with Houston 3/05, replacing 1 year/$10.5M contract for 2005 signed 1/05, avoiding arbitration ($11M-$10M)
05:$10.5M, 06-10:$14.5M annually, 11:$15M club option ($2M buyout)
I am become q, fragile headcase
Do you have to agree to the option right when he's traded?
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 30, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
All that is irrelevant
The only thing that matters is the 11 option left. 15 million is steep. Could Berkman play to his contract next year? Probably. My guess is the Sox want Houston to eat a bit of it.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Houston ate $11 million of Oswalt's contract...
…the question is, does that establish how desperate McLane/Wade are to clean house, or is it a reason for the Astros not to toss more money at Berkman as he’s going out the door?
toss in another 'interesting' pitching prospect and it's done
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 30, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Do you think KW will consult Captain Paulie on this one?
If Berkman comes here we just signed his replacement.
I am become q, fragile headcase
by ChicagoPete on Jul 30, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
no he wont
It wouldnt be a replacement. Berkman and PK could play 1b and DH with no problem.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
that's an awful lot of money for a DH
I am become q, fragile headcase
by ChicagoPete on Jul 30, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
why stop there
I raise you to 5 WAR
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
Damn hippies.
gavin’s getting lucky? guess he has luck herpes since it seems to pop up frequently and stick around once it does. - billyok
by omnipotent grab on Jul 30, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
just image if peavy was still healthy right now....
it was bad luck hey had to get hurt. I’m very intrested to see what Kenny can pull off. crossng my fingers and hoping it’s dunn. If we are able to nab dunn. Paul K would probably be gone next yr. That would be tuff to see but, with a healthy peavy coming back next yr and adding Dunn to the mix, the sox are looking like they will be good for a long time!!
by Da Bears2333333 on Jul 30, 2010 11:44 AM CDT reply actions
He was gone regardless, so is AJ.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 30, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
regardless
what makes you certain of that?
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 30, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Nothing, I just have one of those KenWo gut instincts.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 30, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
one kenwo on this site is enough
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 30, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
No doubt.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 30, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
i suppose there's a decent chance he gets resigned
if he really plays like shit this season.
Fireworks: Bang?
Unless he's blown away by a deal
I think its a good chance PK is back.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Ted Lilly
I wonder what the Cubs would want for Ted Lilly?
Oh yeah, a baseball team!
Hey Joe-
Can I get your wife’s #?
"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok
by DrEmilioLizardo on Jul 30, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
who the F is cowley anyways?
just emailed my friend some quotes i found on here. Without knowing who that guy was lol
by Da Bears2333333 on Jul 30, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
haha, that's not the same guy
I’ve made the same mistake before….
I think the Joe Cowley you speak of is also the last MLB pitcher to not win another game after throwing a no hitter.
haha, if cowley is lurking about
then let’s tell tales about who has fucked his wife
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 30, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
i admit
i am joe cowley
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 30, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
haha, it makes perfect sense, but cheat would have to confirm this at the frank thomas game you know
what are you going to do, come to the game donning a batman cowl?
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 30, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
i really don't want berkman...
I only feel he would marginally improve our team if that. Now if we get dunn, then that would justify letting pauley go.
Is flowers ready to come in and play next yr? I think we should keep AJ. Konerko is playing so well this season. I would hate to see him go
by Da Bears2333333 on Jul 30, 2010 11:55 AM CDT reply actions
lmao
I love this thread!
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
I love his nickname, "Fat Elvis"
how cool is that!
I am become q, fragile headcase
by ChicagoPete on Jul 30, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
berkmen getting old...
not worth it
by Da Bears2333333 on Jul 30, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
get banned at BaB
get banned at SSS
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 30, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Seriously.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 30, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
that is one of the funniest idea's ever
the “poster execution thread”.
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 30, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Baseball writer Tim Brown
Edwin Jackson has been told he’s been traded to the White Sox. Flip to DC next?
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
ESPN Chicago confirms
Jackson for Hudson, prospect
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
yeah me too
better be a better deal especially if we are paying all the salary
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
Roger, that
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
That is fucking awful.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 30, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
uh oh
The rest of his tweets have been right on. I have some errands to run, i hope I come back and find that we have more than Edwin Jackson.
front page this
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 30, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
yep real stupid
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
yeah. i like pimptank
even though he’ll likely never amount to anything.
i think of kendry morales when i see him..maybe not ever that good
but he has played very well so far in the bigs
actually- scratch that
I’m 8 feet tall and to me everyone is ’lil.
Except for Robert Wadlow of Alton Illinois.
fkw
for now
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
will he be here for that start?
and uh please let him good
2010 STANLEY CUP CHAMPION CHICAGO BLACKHAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FIRST PLACE CHICAGO WHITE SOX! I'm not short but my temper is....
by pierzynskirules on Jul 30, 2010 12:03 PM CDT reply actions
well that is not good
2010 STANLEY CUP CHAMPION CHICAGO BLACKHAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FIRST PLACE CHICAGO WHITE SOX! I'm not short but my temper is....
by pierzynskirules on Jul 30, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Would anyone be interested in buying a Daniel Hudson autograph that I got Tuesday at the zoo?
I’ll throw in a Andruw Jones autograph.
Price = $.50
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Jul 30, 2010 12:07 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Andruw and Dannyboy were at the Brookfield Zoo that day. Stood in line for almost an hour
I forgot to mention that it might be worth more if your name is Carter and it was your birthday on the 27th
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Jul 30, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
send your $.50 to KW
he needs it for his deal
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
I cant give you a dollar, if I dont have a dollar
"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok
by DrEmilioLizardo on Jul 30, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I just posted my thoughts on BTF
if this is the final deal, color me “meh” at best.
At least it signals JR is willing to take on some salary.
he better sign danks
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 30, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Or, JR will use it as justification to lowball Danks.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 30, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
not at all
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
Stupid
Giving up Hudson and another prospect and not making the D’backs pay any of the salary? Ridiculous. For a salary dump, they should have taken two A-ball guys. Hudson is better than Jackson right now, what the hell is the point of this unless it’s to flip Jackson elsewhere who likes him more than Hudson (i.e. Washington)?
by Yinka Double Dare on Jul 30, 2010 12:10 PM CDT reply actions
Really?... Ok, say salaries are equal, blah blah blah
Who do you want making the remainder of the starts out of the 5th spot?
A) Hudson
B) Jackson
even that doesn't make a ton of sense
since you just traded a guy that presumably more teams desire for a guy only a few teams had a thing for.
which is why i’m pretty sure we’re keeping jackson.
Fireworks: Bang?
doubt it
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
I like the deal
They needed an arm and they got one
What?
We need a 5th starter. He’s 26 and was an all-star last year.
All-Star? Good grief.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 30, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Being an all-star isn't anything special
particularly when you’ve had a good 1/2 season in your career and that’s it. His terrible numbers this year in the NL West lead one to easily believe he won’t do well back in the AL.
by kswissreject on Jul 30, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Who cares if he was an All-Star? It's a stupid distinction. 8.4 million salary next season makes me want to throw up.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 30, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
With your sig I'm shocked
you don’t like the trade regardless if we got peanuts back.
My sig is a joke pulled from someone else.
And it looks like a moot point anyways if the Nats deal goes through.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 30, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
No I just think
KW is trying to sure up the rotation. Plus there are no guarantees Peavy will be 100% next year so who knows. I was a guy pissed when we gave up Mcarthy years ago for some underachiever named John Danks. I’ve just learned to give Coop and KW the benefit of the doubt when it comes to young talented pitchers
I understand that
but I’m just going to trust that KW has a plan with these moves.
its not just about the moves
its about the money. with the money that is going to jackson, we are going to have a hard time signing danks and Q. or any other bats/pitchers for that matter
i’m gone... bye bitches. - wtgtd
Yes but Jackson is under control through 2011 only
while Hudson has another 5 years of control, at much cheaper rates. It’s a crime that the White Sox are paying all of Jackson’s salary next year, as well.
by kswissreject on Jul 30, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
folks can we finish the trades before everyone flys off the handle?
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
They probably think Coop can fix Jackson and make him a star...
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 30, 2010 12:14 PM CDT reply actions
but can he is the question
“In Coop We Trust”
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
I like the trade.
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 30, 2010 12:14 PM CDT reply actions
Hudson was not Jewish
Holmberg sounds Jewish, however.
That is what you meant by the Poreda comps, right?
that's pretty reasonable.
if the Sox were convinced he didn’t have the feel for a breaking ball, the trade becomes more understandable.
Fireworks: Bang?
BtB's take
Well, this trade is definitely going to need its own post.
Jackson’s inconsistency and lack of command will always hold him back, it seems. But right now he’s flashing a strong 51% groundball rate along with good whiff and contact rates, so there’s a lot to like about Jackson beyond one of the hardest fastballs among starters in all of baseball.
Jackson gives the White Sox a small upgrade over Hudson through 2011, although I’m not convinced that it’s enough to forfeit Hudson’s extra years of team control. ZiPS projects Hudson to put up a 4.06 FIP for the rest of the season, compared to a 4.16 FIP for Jackson. I think that alone says a lot about how close these guys are in terms of performance. And when one guy is owed about $10M through 2011 before hitting free agency and the other guy isn’t even arbitration-eligible yet, I think you need a lot more than a slight upgrade to justify making that kind of deal.
I don’t really like this deal for the White Sox. Holmberg’s nothing special, really, but I’m not really convinced that Jackson is some sort of big upgrade on Hudson. It just feels like the White Sox just committed to spending around $10M through 2011 on a pitcher that’s not much better than the one he’s replacing.
As for Arizona, it’s a solid deal. They get another young starter to slot into their rotation, although the lack of top-of-the-rotation upside there is fairly worrisome. I’m not too sure how exciting, or productive, a 1-2-3 of Joe Saunders, Ian Kennedy and Daniel Hudson is going to be. Hopefully they use all that money they’ve saved the right way.
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 30, 2010 12:16 PM CDT reply actions
Like I said above...
Hudson is better right now. And way cheaper. But since it seems like he’s being flipped for Dunn, depending on what else is in the Dunn deal not yet done, it won’t much matter.
by Yinka Double Dare on Jul 30, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
HUdson is not better right now but it might not matter
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
i know this was discussed above
but do you think it leaves us with carlos torres in the #5 slot, should jackson get flipped?
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 30, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
not even close LOL
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 30, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Dunn?
approval delay in Washington’s onion layered process but looks like Dunner is heading to a pennant race 6 minutes ago via web
Yay.. because if it was just Edwin Jackson I'd have started getting drunk right now.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 30, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Moar
deal not done…but all indications are that Adam Dunn is heading to the southside of Chicago….waiting on the Nationals now to close it 13 minutes ago via web
well who the hell do we have left to trade?
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 30, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Edwin Jackson.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 30, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
duh....
lol
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
i call bullshit...
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 30, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
then we are minus 1 starter.
doesn’t sound like a KW move to me. Unless it was announced all at once.
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 30, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Carlos Torres, 4 man rotation. Maybe he gets another arm.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 30, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
true, but we just acquired an arm.
doubt they bring a wife beater on…
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 30, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Is a 5th starter that important for 2+ months?
Torres, Marquez, Harrell = replacement level 5th starters
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Jul 30, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
do you want to finish 2nd to the twins?
yes a 5th starter is important. 2004 ring a bell?
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 30, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Who is the Twins 5th starter?
5th starter is important for a whole season but I don’t see it hurting the Sox that much from here on out
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Jul 30, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
fair enough.
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 30, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
exactly.
if all the twins do is overpay for a fungible bullpen arm and we suddenly have the most productive DH in the AL, I’m good.
Tank? Jordan Danks?
"Unemployment benefits are creating jobs faster than practically any other program...It injects demand into the economy... It creates jobs faster than almost any other initiative you can name."
- House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (7/1/10) – God help us.
Fingers crossed...thinking good thoughts....
"Unemployment benefits are creating jobs faster than practically any other program...It injects demand into the economy... It creates jobs faster than almost any other initiative you can name."
- House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (7/1/10) – God help us.
he did
there’s a link posted
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
I'm waiting for the press release
"Unemployment benefits are creating jobs faster than practically any other program...It injects demand into the economy... It creates jobs faster than almost any other initiative you can name."
- House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (7/1/10) – God help us.
God, I just went through the whole thread in hopes that the bottom of it looked something like this
I couldn’t handle Jackson if it meant giving up Hudson.
But I sure could enjoy something like this.
Still worried about that 5th starter
Arizona White Sox
At what point should the AAA team just move from Charlotte to Arizona, so that when they make their yearly trade with the D-backs they don’t have to go very far?
I'm confident that whatever we don't address, Be it the DH or the back of the rotation
that there will be quality, if overpaid quality available on the waiver wire in August.
The trade season is radically different in a bad economy.
Per Kurkjin
Edwin Jackson is too rich for the Nationals blood.
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 30, 2010 12:27 PM CDT reply actions
was this directed towards me? if so
REPLY FAIL
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 30, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
christmas in july
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 30, 2010 12:27 PM CDT reply actions
i'm thinking it's dunn + jackson
The more I think about it, the more Edwin Jackson makes some sense. If we get Dunn, I think we do it keeping Edwin.
How the hell do they get Dunn? Viciedo?
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 30, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
they wanted beckham
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 30, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Can't have him. He's pretty and he's ours forever and ever.
"Unemployment benefits are creating jobs faster than practically any other program...It injects demand into the economy... It creates jobs faster than almost any other initiative you can name."
- House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (7/1/10) – God help us.
that would mean giving up beckham
at least
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 30, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I would guess that it's typical Washington politics
we’ve probably got some dirt on the guy.
Rizzo in a dress or something.
perhaps Strastburg is a homosexual and KW threatened to blow the whistle…
We don't have enough to get Dunn without giving up Edwin, Q or Beckham.
At least that’s what Rizzo had made it sound like.
nats dont want edwin, too pricey and the sox are NOT picking up any of that contract.
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 30, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
i agree as well.
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 30, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
nats are high on something
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
are the nats going to screw kw over?
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
New thread please
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
they should make you an editor...
imo
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 30, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah a bit stuffy in here
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
i gotta run errands now.
fuck i hope we have a power lefty bat when i get home.
i’m gone... bye bitches. - wtgtd
how long you gone for?
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
Yeah seems we can argue about Jackson and money later
The White Sox still need to acquire a bat.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
i bet KW shocks us.
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 30, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
new thread
http://www.southsidesox.com/2010/7/30/1596732/out-of-washington-via-the-score
SSS has been able to get a lot of value out of him, but I imagine other sites look at his age and the some of the garbage he’s typing and think that he could be one terrible mistyped post from hanging them up.
-Sox Machine on winningugly
I'm assuming KW is not stupid
If it was Jackson to DC and Dunn to the Sox to begin with he would have done a three way deal to begin with.
If he wants to keep Jackson as an upgrade to Hudson, and considering the difference in salary and years under control, I’m thinking that they see something in Jackson on the upside and Hudson on the downside that we doofusses out here don’t.
by Dick Allen's batting helmet on Jul 30, 2010 12:44 PM CDT reply actions
exactly
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 30, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
How is Q for Dunn going to help our chances this year?
by Dick Allen's batting helmet on Jul 30, 2010 12:52 PM CDT reply actions
Really...
So Jones and Dunn is a huge upgrade over Jones and Q?
Hmmmm….
by Dick Allen's batting helmet on Jul 30, 2010 1:00 PM CDT reply actions
We're not trading for Jones
If you want Jones in RF you don’t have to make a trade…or am I missing something here.
Q as DH = Dunn as DH.
by Dick Allen's batting helmet on Jul 30, 2010 1:08 PM CDT reply actions
you are missing:
1) Q won’t DH (he’s a nut job)
2) Q is injury prone (this may well be a sell high moment)
3) Dunn at DH > Q at DH
2 is the only valid reason. 3 may be just plain wrong if 2 doesn't happen.
but I don’t think thats whats going on here.
I don't think so
1) Ozzie wants Q to DH then Q will DH (Ozzie’s a nuttier job)
2) Q is injury prone – that is correct
3) Dunn coming over to the AL and a new team = who knows?
4) Dunn FA at the end of the year
So I think you got one right – and let’s end this now and see what really happens.
by Dick Allen's batting helmet on Jul 30, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
And how, exactly, does this move help?
Short term? Long term?
I’ll go back and read the above posts, but I recall that the hype of Edwin Jackson much surpassed his performance.
As far as I can tell, Hudson has been more or less what was expected, an average 5th starter so far…but he has what looks to be a good ceiling and a nice career…and he’s cheap.
In summary, what the hell was KW thinking?
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
Jon Garland redux
I’m thinking the Jon Garland type of pitchers – Hudson included – inning eating sinker ballers are not highly thought of by the Sox management team. They prefer more power and flash.
by Dick Allen's batting helmet on Jul 30, 2010 1:41 PM CDT reply actions
Fuck nay
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
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