July 4th White Sox Discussion Question: Time for Andruw Jones to Go?
by larry on Jul 4, 2010 10:09 AM CDT
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Not that this is news to anyone who watches the White Sox - or has followed baseball for the last four years - but Andruw Jones is currently not very good at major league baseball. As Sox Machine points out today, he’s 18-for-117 since April 27, including 3 hits in his last 44 at-bats. About his only value right now is that he can still play the outfield okay and maybe steal a base. Otherwise, his swing from the heels approach is providing the same weak offensive returns it has for the last four seasons. Even allowing for the observational error rate, his 9.5% line drive rate is absolutely comical. Some will argue his hitting woes are due to lack of playing time. The obvious retort to that is look at how he's hit the last half decade.
Jim suggests that Dayan Viciedo gets Jones' at-bats and, if an outfielder is needed, Mark Kotsay gets those starts. I'm on board with the former but the latter sounds dubious to me. In any event, I think Alejandro De Aza should get a shot - and not just for the slam-dunk this provides Nancy Faust. While Ale-ale-jandro doesn't provide much power, he's got decent plate discipline and good speed. And for those cringing at images of Juan Pierre or Mark Kotsay patrolling center in Jones' absence, De Aza can handle the position.
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i voted no.....
because i don’t think ozzie cuts his boy no matter what…… plus the fact that they rarely use him anyway and given the lack of a suitable replacement….. why rock the boat. When i was in pittsburgh he was hanging out with rios- if jones getting cut disturbs rios in the middle of this season i would rather not have it.
Kenwo4life=ratings
ah.
yet another bad baseball player the white sox are stuck with because he’s supposedly good in the clubhouse and ozzie likes him.
cutting jones at the expense of possibly shaking up rios is not a smart move.
they already said he sucked in 2009 because it took him used to moving to chicago…. its a boat i’d rather not rock….. if his sole purpose is to be rios drinking partner then so be it…. he barely plays anyway.
Kenwo4life=ratings
i'd rather my players not have drinking partners
esp. now that they cant take amphetamines anymore
Staying Out of White Sox Business
There's no crying in baseball
What! Wah! They cut my best bud! I would like to think Rios is stronger than that.
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by Chiburb on Jul 4, 2010 10:49 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
hrmm...
in translating that via the googles, one of the first returns was this.
well played, DOPOS.
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Jul 4, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
yep. there is no justice. oh well, at least i don't have to give wu my home address.
Cashing checks and having sex.
I'll take the wine, thanks.
You think too highly of yourself.
You got to gird your loins. Life continues. There are good days. There are bad days, but you keep hustling to survive. - Chet Lemon
no rios, no konerko but toronto gets wells and bautista (and the catcher buck).
bunch of horseshit.
hey swisher...........you know.
Dye was much better than Granderson last year, as well.
"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT
by Black Sox Baseball on Jul 4, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I am going to spend the entirety of the next 4 days voting. If there ever was an occasion for it - FNS!
ITHOUGHTGAZELLEWASGOOD -Trooper
by homesickalien on Jul 4, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Amen, Sister!
"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok
by DrEmilioLizardo on Jul 4, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I wish that would just add a bat
and not worry about what marg player to bring up, Holding Texas to 3 runs twice is encouraging.
"Officially off strike...."
market dictates that nothing too early goes down?
all else equal, it would be in the Sox’ interest to go sooner rather than later, right?
Fireworks: Bang?
that probably depends upon whether you think the team is really a contender with whatever addition is made.
i know what KW is going to do if they’re close. but i’m still skeptical.
liriano overrated
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
actually I was being funny
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
I meant staff.
The back of the rotation and the bullpen regresses big time I believe.
Minnesota top 3 is fine.
"Officially off strike...."
This is just wishcasting
Pavano is the only guy on their staff who is significantly outperforming his xFIP, and even in his case the regression still makes him an above average starter. On the other hand, both Baker and Blackburn have ERAs well above where they’ll likely end up at.
lol
wish casting? First of all I didnt pick on Pavano or Baker. I said the 4th and 5th starters. Seconding nothing strange about saying the bullpen regresses and quite a bit. What numbers are you looking at?
"Officially off strike...."
I'm looking at the numbers that I mentioned in my post
Fourth or fifth starters are Slowey and Blackburn, currently sporting 4.64 and 5.19 xFIPs respectively. Where is the “big time” regression going to come from in the rotation?
Let's read this sentence together
“The back of the rotation and the bullpen regresses big time I believe.”
this says that both the back of the rotation and the bullpen will see big time regression. You’re confusing me.
i get it now
no. The back of the rotation is weak. I also believe the bullpen regresses big time. Happy?
"Officially off strike...."
my bad Keith
not that serious. the confusion was on my end. do you still feel its wish casting?
"Officially off strike...."
I need more elaboration on your end
specifically, what do you mean by “weak”? The rotation looks average to me — back end is definitely a bit weak, but Liriano’s excellence was something I certainly didn’t factor in at the season’s start. Slowey looks like a fine #4 and Blackburn isn’t very good, but a 5.20 ERA from the #5 won’t kill them. Agreed on Lee — if they get him, we’ve got big time problems. Just a quick glance of their bullpen and I also agree with you there, but if Minnesota’s biggest problem is their bullpen coming back to earth a bit, that’s probably not good news for us.
i just think its way closer then most think.
the numbers are skewed from the truly horrible start, but you know (and im sure remember) i was on board for a crackhead rotation for the Sox this year. If the rotation keeps it up they can cause some serious problems for the division with all the head to head games left. A weak 4-5 see Minnesota and Detroit can be begin to show up. That’s my hope at least. The Sox still need another bat of course.
"Officially off strike...."
Crackhead rotation?
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by Shoeless In SC on Jul 4, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
If you believe what you read, Blackburn will be replaced with Lee.
What do you think of Slowey?
"...It was then I noticed the burning bus full of nuns, blind people, and small children falling over the precipice into the shark and barracuda infested water below" - U-God
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 4, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
not crazy about him
gives up too many hrs. if you have noticed since the weather warmed up Target field has transformed.
"Officially off strike...."
He's not making contact
Last night was pitiful. If he was least hitting the ball at people instead of “where they ain’t” I’d give him the benefit of the doubt, but the early season temporary revitalization has worn way off.
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
I voted no.
It’s frustrating for him to have started off so surprisingly well and then drop this terribly, but if we can get him back to a mediocre .240 then he’d be nice to have around. Otherwise I wants me a big bat.
"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT
by Black Sox Baseball on Jul 4, 2010 12:00 PM CDT reply actions
Fine.
I’ll take .235 then. You drive a hard bargain.
"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT
by Black Sox Baseball on Jul 4, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Better look again
"ass hole thi is the same line up whit leftys you idiot"
i was just checking out tripleU's fangraphs card
and the weird thing is that his K rate isn’t even that bad. he’s just gone completely all or nothing. weak contact except when he hits HR. you’d think he’d figure out an adjustment at some point.
Fireworks: Bang?
A hitting coach would normally be useful in such a case.
"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT
by Black Sox Baseball on Jul 4, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah. what andruw jones lacks is a hitting coach.
walker is an easy target. blaming him for the performance of bad hitters, however, is silly.
"You’d think he’d figure out an adjustment at some point."
You’d think a hitting coach would help a batter make an adjustment. I didn’t say it would make his problems go away. And yeah, Jones does lack a hitting coach – as does the rest of the team. Walker is an easy target because he sucks.
"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT
by Black Sox Baseball on Jul 4, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
so then the point of making the adjustment would be...?
it’s kind of obvious why jones has gone all or nothing. because hitting home runs is the only skill he has left.
You're arguing it's easier to hit a home run than to hit one on the grass?
"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT
by Black Sox Baseball on Jul 4, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
agree with BSB
i don’t get what you mean here. having the ability to hit HR means the ability to hit non-HR. you make a conscious choice between hitting for power and hitting for average. the best have to make less of a tradeoff.
Fireworks: Bang?
i'm just not caring about your point.
so he hits for a higher average. whoop de doo. he still stinks.
He treats every pitch as if he's in a 0-0 count. And that all balls in the strike zone (and occasionally those above it) are equally good to hit
The opposition will continue to exploit this until he changes his approach, which I’m not holding my breath for
i don't see fielder as a viable acquisition
it’ll gut the already weak system to acquire him and then Jerry would have to lay down some major coin to hold onto him when his arbitration year(s) are done
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
I love that lineup, maybe different order, but those would be the 9 I want
I saw on MLB trade rumors earlier today that some guy from the Millwaukee Sentinel (or something like that) said he wouldn’t be surprised to see Kenny go for Prince. I’m taking it with a grain of salt, but nice to see others thinking we have a shot at him.
by nsam93 on Jul 4, 2010 4:02 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
My pet project of Alexei at SS is tearing it up right now.
Now officially played the best SS in the majors this year and showing mad freaking
RANGE
"Officially off strike...."
i'll care more
if the FSR says as much. 1 year of UZR = meh. at least Dewan agrees.
Fireworks: Bang?
he looks good no doubt
but fielding is nebulous stuff. i wish he’d hit more. even if you give him +5/150g, he’s still not on pace for a 2 win season.
Fireworks: Bang?
we'll see
I just believe and have continued to say he’ll do better than that. 3 WAR for Alexei this year.
"Officially off strike...."
Yes, you are repeatedly on record for that. October 1st I will come back to this :)
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by Shoeless In SC on Jul 4, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
He has more offensive potential
but at this point he kind of is what he is. That he still gets by on mostly talent offensively is pretty impressive.
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by Daniel Berlyn on Jul 4, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I would be for De Aza
But if they were looking to not rock the boat – and Ozzie doesn’t want any of his handpicked cherubs disturbed – Kotsay would be a tolerable holding pattern choice, provided he’s replaced as soon as the market allows.
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by Sox Machine on Jul 4, 2010 1:02 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
so if the Sox stay competitive all year
will JR will see Ozzie as more reputable? because that would suck.
Fireworks: Bang?
The market allowed Kotsay to be replaced in the offseason.
They chose not to, and Ozzie seems content. If Kenny wasn’t willing to get a slugger then I don’t see why he would be now.
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by Daniel Berlyn on Jul 4, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Kotsay and Jones have both given about exactly what one would expect.
There is some small trace of hope that one of them will find it, and the slugger market isn’t at its hottest albeit there are some options.
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by Daniel Berlyn on Jul 4, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
You mean what value one would expect to receive on the market for the money they've been given...
Both of them combine to play a FT role (at least like 5 out of 6 games a week) and while they have returned about what you’d pay for on the market in terms of wins, that doesn’t mean they should be on the team in such a capacity.
That sounds a little wordy, so I’ll try again.
They’re paid like crap. They’ve performed like crap. So yes, they’ve performed how we’ve expected them to. Yet, they play so much that we’re at a net loss because we could cut our losses, pay someone more than the two of them combined, and reap greater rewards. Or we could try to strike gold by going for a relative unknown from our system, which is what Larry is proposing. As the two of them have combined for ~ replacement level, meaning we could throw in any bat from our AA/AAA team and reap similar results.
"...It was then I noticed the burning bus full of nuns, blind people, and small children falling over the precipice into the shark and barracuda infested water below" - U-God
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 4, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Might as well try Viciedo, but I still get a headache when I see Thome mashing in a Twins uniform.
It was just an awful offseason for management as far as I’m concerned.
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by Daniel Berlyn on Jul 4, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
They picked up his option.
Same story with Matt Thornton, what a pickup.
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by Daniel Berlyn on Jul 4, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions
a failure to maximize is a bit different than
just flat out negative. Im taking about in the off season, not 1/2 in.
"Officially off strike...."
I have no idea what you're talking about anymore. What point are you trying to make?
"...It was then I noticed the burning bus full of nuns, blind people, and small children falling over the precipice into the shark and barracuda infested water below" - U-God
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 4, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Its really not that important to me
I was just pointing out there is a difference with a move like Pierre’s. Neutral but certainly not an effective use of resources. If that is the failure, fine as opposed to just saying its a horrible negative move.
"Officially off strike...."
standing pat while you let jim thome go to the twins and then johnny damon go to the tigers.
may look neutral because they are non-moves, but are obviously negative.
I don't associate Pierre with either
but the DH situation is wayyyy negative. on all counts. This is a non argument. Im bored and nitpicked a sentence.
"Officially off strike...."
To JP.
5 years/$44M (2007-11)
signed by LA Dodgers as a free agent 11/06
07:$7.5M, 08:$8M, 09:$10M, 10:$10M, 11:$8.5M
contract includes limited no-trade protection
acquired by Chicago White Sox in trade from LA Dodgers 12/15/09, with Dodgers paying $10.5M of $18.5M left on Pierre’s deal ($7M in 2010, $3.5M in 2011)
Sox paid $3M in 2010, will pay $5M in 2011
"...It was then I noticed the burning bus full of nuns, blind people, and small children falling over the precipice into the shark and barracuda infested water below" - U-God
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 4, 2010 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions
and it's this sort of stuff that is the problem.
you look at these moves individually and think, that’s not so bad. sign mark kotsay? sure. andruw jones for just above the minimum? why not. send some marginal prospects for juan pierre AND cash? okay. trade for mark teahen? fine.
then you find yourself in february with johnny damon begging someone to pay him and you’ve tied up what he’ll make in those four players.
Yes. Lump it all together and voila:
the Sox are paying $4.75M in 2010 to fill the LF and DH positions and are getting essentially replacement level production.
Throw in Teahen, ($3M in 2010) and you’ve spent $7.75M to fill 3B, LF, DH, essentially getting 0 positive value from all three positions.
It obviously was a bad collection of moves all around, considering what options were out there (calling up Viciedo or letting Beckham play 3B, Omar 2B, Thome, Damon, Branyan… etc).
"...It was then I noticed the burning bus full of nuns, blind people, and small children falling over the precipice into the shark and barracuda infested water below" - U-God
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 4, 2010 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
There ya go. So $8.5M to get no production out of 3 positions
"...It was then I noticed the burning bus full of nuns, blind people, and small children falling over the precipice into the shark and barracuda infested water below" - U-God
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 4, 2010 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions
That's quite depressing.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 4, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
why?
it was depressing when it happened. The Sox had a horrible start and yet here there are 2 games out with a chance to go to 1. All about moving forward now.
"Officially off strike...."
Think about where they could be if they'd done things right
And where they would be going forward.
"...It was then I noticed the burning bus full of nuns, blind people, and small children falling over the precipice into the shark and barracuda infested water below" - U-God
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 4, 2010 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions
huh?
Even with a legit dh most predictions had the twins better. You never thought this was even possible, given where they were. Now you are just being freaking greedy.
"Officially off strike...."
The Twins still appear to be better
but with the right pieces in place of the wrongs we just discussed (especially Thome and/or Damon, as that takes away from them and adds to us) we are arguably better.
Greedy? Sure. Why not? Why can’t I say “Hey, they projected us to be about a .500 team with this roster and we’re slightly better than that, why can’t they be sitting at .600 with an even better roster?”
"...It was then I noticed the burning bus full of nuns, blind people, and small children falling over the precipice into the shark and barracuda infested water below" - U-God
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 4, 2010 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Because Thome had zero to do
with how awful the pitching was to start. The Twins have been a .500 team for 2 months.
"Officially off strike...."
We weren't getting blown out in every game though
A little offense here or there, better defense would’ve helped scrap up a couple wins.
I wasn’t just talking about Thome, either. He would’ve been a piece of the puzzle.
"...It was then I noticed the burning bus full of nuns, blind people, and small children falling over the precipice into the shark and barracuda infested water below" - U-God
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 4, 2010 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions
now you're just making crop circles here
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
I'm enjoying the ride, but they had a nice hot stretch last season as well.
It doesn’t overshadow shoddy roster construction and perplexing decision making by the front office.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 4, 2010 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
it does for me.
Whats done is done. Go get a bat and lets watch this rotation and bullpen rock!
"Officially off strike...."
well i dont think the Sox didnt sign
Damon over a million bucks but whatever. It was all fucked up. If you want to say it was the worst off season known to man. fine.
"Officially off strike...."
Of course, if the $8 million commitment prevents the acquisition of a player with some real offensive value and/or Ozzie decides to play Pierre in CF because “he real fast”, this could turn out badly.
http://www.southsidesox.com/2009/12/15/1201866/kenny-always-gets-his-man
Given the money required to sign Damon at his age,
I could stomach not signing him. At the expense of two mass prospects, the money and playing time committed to Pierre, it irked me. The money committed to Kotsay and then Thome signing for the same amount was a big negative for me. Giving two organizational players for Teahen was a neutral for me, until they unnecessarily committed three years to him and money he hasn’t earned yet. Moving the position of your future franchise player for a stopgap was a negative for me. So yeah, there were things both done and not done that were negatives.
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by Daniel Berlyn on Jul 4, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
not trying to spin.
i was just giving a few points for Garcia (mistakenly). The teahen trade was okay. The extension was flat out goofy.
"Officially off strike...."
It begs the question
What results was anyone expecting up to this point?
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by Daniel Berlyn on Jul 4, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
It begs the question
do they care?
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by Daniel Berlyn on Jul 4, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
It goes back to the debate of getting a full time DH
I dunno what management was looking at if they expected more from the bench combo so far. The goal should have been providing the best offense possible from the start and now they would have to pay for what was scraps before.
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by Daniel Berlyn on Jul 4, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
stop begging and questioning. you sound like a damn liberal.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Jul 4, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
fat bastard
Ollie and Stan's ability to make everyone laugh throughout their careers was truly a gift and they will never be forgotten.
happy 4th of july.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Jul 4, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
the got the Rays and Twins game on national radio
I’ll be surprised if any more than a hundred people are listening to it
Ollie and Stan's ability to make everyone laugh throughout their careers was truly a gift and they will never be forgotten.
Fox Chicago is playing Platoon. They are following it with The Brady Bunch Movie.
I’m going with old A-Team episodes while eating leftover bbq before I head to the Lake.
"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat
by South Side Expat on Jul 4, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not American so today means fuck all to me
It has been a good day though – as I managed to get a number off a foxy looking bird in Sainsburys this morning.
mind you when I phone it – it will probably the pizza shop
Ollie and Stan's ability to make everyone laugh throughout their careers was truly a gift and they will never be forgotten.
not even a good curry joint?
i knew a woman who at least gave out a good restaurant as a fake phone number.
Off subject...
… but DeWayne Wise just hit a grand slam at Yankee Stadium. Remember him?
by Sox Fan On The Northwest Side on Jul 4, 2010 1:51 PM CDT reply actions
not in the least
was he some sort of singer?
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
I think he was a relative of Buddy Bell
"ass hole thi is the same line up whit leftys you idiot"
Where does that put him on the Buehrle meter?
"I'm tired, I've got a headache, my bullpen blew it." -South Side Expat
by Teahenny Penny on Jul 4, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
as in
best black friend forever.
ITHOUGHTGAZELLEWASGOOD -Trooper
by homesickalien on Jul 4, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
and ever and ever and ever.
"I'm tired, I've got a headache, my bullpen blew it." -South Side Expat
by Teahenny Penny on Jul 4, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Only because you scooped him up when my sponsorship expired! :)
And it’s baseball-reference, damn you.
ITHOUGHTGAZELLEWASGOOD -Trooper
by homesickalien on Jul 4, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually. $15 when I took it in December '08. I imagine his value went up after the Perfecto.
Or maybe not.
ITHOUGHTGAZELLEWASGOOD -Trooper
by homesickalien on Jul 4, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Was not a grand slam - 3 run dinger.
You got to gird your loins. Life continues. There are good days. There are bad days, but you keep hustling to survive. - Chet Lemon
Jones
He’ll be the guy that comes off the roster in some way when a slugger is traded for.
the time has come to bid farewell to andruw jones
2010 STANLEY CUP CHAMPION CHICAGO BLACKHAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Men are such douchebags and fucking IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And Tony Pena
"...It was then I noticed the burning bus full of nuns, blind people, and small children falling over the precipice into the shark and barracuda infested water below" - U-God
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 4, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
And Scott Linebrink
"...It was then I noticed the burning bus full of nuns, blind people, and small children falling over the precipice into the shark and barracuda infested water below" - U-God
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 4, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Happy Birthday, America!
"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok
by DrEmilioLizardo on Jul 4, 2010 3:06 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
heh, nice.
"...It was then I noticed the burning bus full of nuns, blind people, and small children falling over the precipice into the shark and barracuda infested water below" - U-God
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 4, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Still off subject...
… Corky Miller hits one out of Wrigley. Anyone recall him?
by Sox Fan On The Northwest Side on Jul 4, 2010 3:13 PM CDT reply actions
he was on an 80s sitcom?
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
Turned on the Cubs game 20 minutes ago with 2 outs in the top of the 7th.
Still 2 outs in the top of the 7th.
"I'm tired, I've got a headache, my bullpen blew it." -South Side Expat
by Teahenny Penny on Jul 4, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
hello all, um, am i reading this right?
konerko is 8th in baseball with a .950 ops and is not, like, you know, on the all star team?
wut?
Quit wasting your time posting and start VOTING, brother!
ITHOUGHTGAZELLEWASGOOD -Trooper
by homesickalien on Jul 4, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
twins getting twatted
Ollie and Stan's ability to make everyone laugh throughout their careers was truly a gift and they will never be forgotten.
by hoodlight on Jul 4, 2010 3:37 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
had we won yesterday, we could be playing for first today. that's pretty ridiculous.
Cashing checks and having sex.
If onlys and justs were candies and nuts then every day would be Ernte Dank Fest.
You guys win. You can keep your little marked-out piece of internet territory. Spend your days communicating via keyboard with people too ugly for the real world and too nerdy for anyone to care, anyway. Your piece of land is here. Do the rest of civilization a favor and stay within its limits. You bore me. Have fun with your nightly sobs and screams into your pillow over your inability to attract a good mate, Radiohead. ~The Hooligan
by Daniel Berlyn on Jul 4, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Keep the focus on moving forward. You sound like a damn conservative.
You guys win. You can keep your little marked-out piece of internet territory. Spend your days communicating via keyboard with people too ugly for the real world and too nerdy for anyone to care, anyway. Your piece of land is here. Do the rest of civilization a favor and stay within its limits. You bore me. Have fun with your nightly sobs and screams into your pillow over your inability to attract a good mate, Radiohead. ~The Hooligan
by Daniel Berlyn on Jul 4, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
if my auntie was my uncle
Ollie and Stan's ability to make everyone laugh throughout their careers was truly a gift and they will never be forgotten.
by hoodlight on Jul 4, 2010 4:32 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
yes - but I sent you to Zafferanos
so you owe me one – even though we are ugly fuckers with bad skin and teeth
Ollie and Stan's ability to make everyone laugh throughout their careers was truly a gift and they will never be forgotten.
screw that!
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
G.I. Joe is a truly awful movie.
gavin’s getting lucky? guess he has luck herpes since it seems to pop up frequently and stick around once it does. - billyok
Yes! It is. Truly awful. I saw it in theaters.
I had to fight myself from getting up and leaving in the first 15 minutes when the blue and red laser guns came out.
"...It was then I noticed the burning bus full of nuns, blind people, and small children falling over the precipice into the shark and barracuda infested water below" - U-God
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 4, 2010 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Now this, this is a team that knows how to operate.
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/201793-ozzie-tops-marlins-wish-list?eref=fromSI
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I personally don't see why everyone is on minnesota's nuts.....
they aren’t that good. the only pitcher who is alright is Pavano…… We’re gunna win this division. Book it.
Kenwo4life=ratings
hi there
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
has more wins than pavano did at his age
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
because his start yesterday was so awful
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
and prior to that?
you really don’t buy that strikeouts and walks are mostly what matter?
Fireworks: Bang?
who said this?
The Twins are looking mighty good.
hopefully their pitching falls apart…but i am not liking the way this looks. Not that I am declaring the season dead… but this is the worst i’ve felt about our chances since 1999.
http://www.southsidesox.com/2010/2/4/1292943/what-is-and-what-never-would-be#30309712
times change assclown
their pitching does not look any good….. and the season is still not dead.
Kenwo4life=ratings
that was in february. when i made my official predictions i had the sox winning the division.
Kenwo4life=ratings
just like it was in may that you were saying trade MB and PK.
you asked why everyone is on minnesota’s nuts. sometimes people don’t change their opinions that quickly.
left himself a way back in
in case they happened to turn into the worst team in the division since june 1.
Liriano and Baker have worse winning percentages than Freddy Garcia and Carl Pavano.
It’s easy to see his line of thinking
"...It was then I noticed the burning bus full of nuns, blind people, and small children falling over the precipice into the shark and barracuda infested water below" - U-God
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 4, 2010 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Pavano and Baker are about the same in goodness
independent of defense, both have pitched better than Garcia. But these are just stats, they don’t mean anything. Not like wins and losses do.
And what of Liriano?
"...It was then I noticed the burning bus full of nuns, blind people, and small children falling over the precipice into the shark and barracuda infested water below" - U-God
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 4, 2010 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
garcia has pitched outstanding. id take him over baker this season.
Liriano is ok but it isn’t like hes the end all be all like johan was for them. I’m just very unimpressed with their pitching as a whole. Morneau and Young have been great but the rest of the offense hasn’t been all that hot either…. I just don’t see why some people on here think they are the 2nd coming of the yankees.
Kenwo4life=ratings
little out there buddy
but I do agree, the twins are not a juggernaut. Of course no one really called them that. :-)
"Officially off strike...."
garcia has not been outstanding
i have no idea why or how you keep convincing yourself of this. has he been better than expected? yes. has he been a good fifth starter? yes. he has not been outstanding in the least. liriano is not what johan was when he was beasting, but few pitchers can be.
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
Freddy has been the most consistent pitcher the sox have had.
He hasn’t given up more than 4 runs in a start since may 23rd. And he only gave up 4 runs one time (Pittsburgh) May 28th he beat tampa, june 3rd he beat texas, june 9th he beat detroit….. He’s gone 7 innings in 5 of his last 7 starts and the shortest hes’ gone in that period is 5 2/3… He has won a ton of times after a loss (or multiple losses)….. If we were in game 163 tonight I would send out freddy.
Kenwo4life=ratings
take that and shove it!
Ollie and Stan's ability to make everyone laugh throughout their careers was truly a gift and they will never be forgotten.
Freddy has exceeded any reasonable expectations.
The fact that he has made as many starts as he has is shocking to me in and of itself. He has done a hell of a job of eating innings and, for the most part, keeping the Sox in games. You simply couldn’t ask more from a scrap-heap guy like that.
All of that said, at best, he is the Sox’ 4th best starter. Choosing Freddy over Danks, Peavy or Floyd in an elimination-type scenario is full-retard.
"Strangely, Christ is a closeted homosexual…" - winningugly
Okay, that's fine. I give.
The longer I sit here arguing with you the more I look like some idiot arguing with a wasp nest
"...It was then I noticed the burning bus full of nuns, blind people, and small children falling over the precipice into the shark and barracuda infested water below" - U-God
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 4, 2010 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
John Danks is better than Freddy Garcia, don't lose any sleep over it.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 4, 2010 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I will give credit that sweatie does have
quality starts vs the twins twice, the tigers, tamp bay, kc and texas twice.
"Officially off strike...."
thank you sir
you are my favourite indefatigable misanthrope
Ollie and Stan's ability to make everyone laugh throughout their careers was truly a gift and they will never be forgotten.
by hoodlight on Jul 4, 2010 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
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