White Sox Keep On Winning But Lose Peavy
by The Cheat on Jul 7, 2010 1:22 AM CDT
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There are times when the game doesn't matter, when you're distracted by something bigger, something more important. Last night kinda feels like one of those nights.
The White Sox have fought back from 9 games under .500 and after tonight's win sit at 6 games over, a high-water mark for the season, just one game back of the division-leading Tigers. But it's not optimism or elation or even satisfaction that I feel right now. No, it's more like trepidation, a woeful anticipation of what could be a major setback to the heart of this White Sox team.
As Jake Peavy left the mound last night, he might have taken the White Sox AL Central hopes with him. Peavy struggled out of the gate this season, just as the Sox did as a team: if it wasn't his location, it was his velocity, and maybe both; if it wasn't a predictably poor offense, the pitching would fail, and in late May it was often both. Perhaps no other player has better served as a barometer for the teams direction -- maybe Quentin or Floyd -- and even though the Sox won tonight it still feels like they lost.
Jake Peavy had turned his season around. He wasn't going to win a Cy Young award, but he had fought through nagging injuries and looked every bit the part of the inning-eating, near-elite pitcher the Sox thought they were getting when they traded for him (twice). Now we learn that he actually injured his lat sometime during his last start in KC, perhaps overcompensating for the shoulder soreness (and fluid) he had been experiencing. And even though the diagnosis of a strained latissimus dorsi doesn't sound too serious, the post-game comments and descriptions don't sound too promising.
"It’s something up under my underarm. It goes down into my lat is where I have some swelling."
"I know that I don’t feel very good at all right now. That’s all I can tell you."
To a man, every locker room media member noted how down the usually upbeat Peavy sounded. This doesn't sound like it's going to be some quick 3-5 start DL trip.
I'm a pretty big fan of Daniel Hudson -- he's gonna be a solid big league starter -- but it's not fair for anyone to have to fill Peavy's shoes. This team didn't have much margin for error in the first place, and removing Peavy certainly doesn't help.
Maybe the bigger issue involves the trade front. I think we can all agree that even though the Sox have been the best team in the Central for the last 5 weeks, they're not going to win this division as presently constructed. They've got a few too many holes. Losing Peavy for whatever amount of time doesn't just create another one but removes what is probably the Sox biggest trading chit from the equation as well. Any team looking to sell off parts at the deadline figured to be asking for Hudson from the lackluster list of Sox prospects. And even though most of us didn't want him traded, he was being dangled in talks behind the scenes. With Kenny Williams at the helm, you can be sure of it.
So even though the Sox won last night, even though they're better positioned for a loss to their starting rotation than almost any team in baseball, I found little joy in this victory. Sometimes the bigger picture matters more than a W.
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I prefer to think of it as a good game.....
I saw many things i’ve never seen before… a long “sun” delay… because it sure as hell wasn’t raining very hard…. tony pena out pitched Jared Weaver… it was a nice night at the ball park thats for sure. Its a pulled muscle. I’m sure it won’t last very long. Peavy always sounds down after all of his starts- i wouldn’t worry too much about it. Hudson can fill in for a few starts and build his trade value.
Kenwo4life=ratings
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This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 7, 2010 3:07 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Not good...
Despite the run of late, I have NOT been optimistic…way too many holes and question marks . This likely seals the deal if Peavy is done.
If it’s Hudson, he will have his chance to impress. Cross your fingers everyone.
Despite the run of late, you haven't been optimistic?
Then you should probably stop watching baseball. Whether the Sox make the playoffs or not, this “run” has been something to behold. This team wasn’t assembled the way a lot of us would have liked, but the way they performed the first couple of months was well below anyone’s expectations. Pierre, Quentin, Beckham, Ramirez, and Kotsay were all struggling at the plate. When half of your lineup isn’t producing things are going to look hopeless. But the team was due for a turnaround. June has been their way of making up opportunities they spoiled early on. Are they legitimately as good as they have been over the last month? Probably not. But it’s also somewhat retarded to assume that when they come back down to earth that they’ll be as bad as they were in April and May. Losing Peavy is a big blow, but why is our bi-polar fanbase assuming that his injury is season ending? Even if he’s out for a month or even a bit longer, WE’RE ONE FREAKING GAME BACK! We’ll call up Hudson and see what he can do. When we’re this close, throwing in the towel in the face of adversity is for pussies. If you were a White Sox fan during the last week of the season in 2008 you know this better than most.
"I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production." - Ozzie Guillen
"I'd rather have Rios hit 50 home runs than steal 50 bases. I want to win." - Servant2LordBeckham
by Servant2LordBeckham on Jul 7, 2010 2:56 AM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
I was thinking basically the same thing.
People need to quit fucking worrying about shit. You haven’t even heard Peavy’s diagnosis. I was at the game and i figured he was done for the year…. hearing its a pulled muscle made me breath easier. Even if he’s out a month- hudson can handle 4 or 5 starts. As long as this team keeps pitching well and the bullpen holds up we will win the division GOING AWAY.
Kenwo4life=ratings
I was at the game too
I left after the injury (it was 9:30 at I wake up at 3:30). The team won a game they probably would have lost under ideal conditions.
Muscle strains hurt like hell. I strained my calf while jogging three years ago. I thought it had snapped.
You don’t want to see any player get hurt, but he does have access to the services of Herm Schnieder and his magical meat apron.
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
you wake up at 330?
what is your job?
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
Early morning radio reporter
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
What station?
"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat
by South Side Expat on Jul 7, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
WGN
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
Sorta edgy
We’re still a million miles away from crossing the line.
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
I had it on a couple weekends ago
not sure who was on, but a male/female team were talking about libidos and the lady wanted women to call in to back her claim that women want it just as much as men (which is totally ridiculous).
I thought to myself, this is not my grandparents WGN. Then I turned on the score.
Free Brent Lllibridge!
Thats Chicago TUFF
When we’re this close, throwing in the towel in the face of adversity is for pussies.
Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 7, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Preach it, brotha.
Well said.
I have witnessed the 2005 World Series championship, Mark Buehrle's perfect game, and the 2010 Chicago Blackhawks Stanley Cup championship in my lifetime.
by chisoxfan1473 on Jul 7, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
If this run didn't make you optimistic
And you know KW’s track record of making trades mid-season, I just don’t know what would make you happy.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 7, 2010 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions
the fact that tonight was a win is huge.
the only teams that are going to fall on peavy’s spot for the next month are kc, seattle, oakland, baltimore, and maybe detroit. of those, this game against the angels was the one they would be most likely to lose. jared weaver? no chance — they were supposed to lose even with peavy. I feel fine with hudson or whoever vs that group of teams over the next month.
If he’s out more than a month, I guess I’ll cry next month. who knows, by then they may be 5 games up. but whatever happens over the next month, it shouldn’t be much different than if peavy were healthy.
it does suck for any trade chances if they can’t dangle hudson because of this. but whatever, I’m in the camp that a trade will make it easier to win the division, not that they can’t do it without one.
That's the kind of optimism I like to see.
Yeah, losing Peavy is a bitch. But until we see Hudson giving up 5 runs every outing, then there is no reason to think he can’t fill the role of adequate starter for a while. The Twins have been winning with Carl fucking Pavano as their ace. Why do THEY get the benefit of the doubt that they are the real deal with miracles like Pavano even being healthy, but the Sox are just momentarily luckily and will eventually be screwed? Hudson doesn’t HAVE to be lights out for this team to keep getting wins.
"I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production." - Ozzie Guillen
"I'd rather have Rios hit 50 home runs than steal 50 bases. I want to win." - Servant2LordBeckham
by Servant2LordBeckham on Jul 7, 2010 3:04 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Reasons
1. Mauer
2. Morneau
3. Kubel
4. Cuddyer
5. Thome
6. Span
7. Hudson
8. Hardy
9. Liriano
10. Deep farm system
11. History of being excellently run
12. Increase in fiscal resources with the opening of a new ball park.
Wow they must be like 10 games up on the division with all that huh?
"Officially off strike...."
by Tdogg on Jul 7, 2010 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Heheheh
Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 7, 2010 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions
They have talent on the field and in the front office and they have options
The Sox have Mark Kotsay and a three deep minor league system
yep its over
"Officially off strike...."
by Tdogg on Jul 7, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is sweet!!!
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
i like how the rays
jumped back ahead of the bosox….
now all that has to happen is for them to own the east and for the central or west to take the wild card
Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 7, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
i know
Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 7, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Are you rooting for the Rays or something?
"...It was then I noticed the burning bus full of nuns, blind people, and small children falling over the precipice into the shark and barracuda infested water below" - U-God
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 7, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Rather the Rays than the Bosox.
Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 7, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Hey... totally different years, but
White Sox are 3-0 against the Red Sox in the playoffs this decade, and 1-3 against the Rays in the playoffs.
"...It was then I noticed the burning bus full of nuns, blind people, and small children falling over the precipice into the shark and barracuda infested water below" - U-God
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 7, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
probably those damn cowbells!
This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training
no im not really rooting for the rays
but like them better then the yank these and boston…shit id really like to see baltimore come out of nowhere, and the sox to get a chance to make WU happy for 83’s loss.
and yes despite the record, those were two totally different years/teams…we were lucky to even play the rays in the post season
Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 7, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't see Punto on this list.
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
f that bia
Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 7, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm sceptical of the Sox with their offense.
But have you ever heard the phrase “pitching, pitching, pitching” ?
"....we have to find a way to win. And good teams do that."
Tomas Kopecky May 29, 2010
if they were really that fucking good...then why did we start like absolute horse shit
and are now tied in the loss column with them? I smell pussy.
Kenwo4life=ratings
Glad someone took the time to look at the schedule
Definitely good news.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 7, 2010 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Well here's a strange bit of news...
I’m friends with a bunch of White Sox prospects on facebook, and Jeff Marquez’s facebook status updates seem to indicate that he might be getting a callup. Forgive me if this turns out to be false, but everyone is congratulating him on getting the call.
"I'd rather have Rios steal 50 bases than hit 50 home runs. I want production." - Ozzie Guillen
"I'd rather have Rios hit 50 home runs than steal 50 bases. I want to win." - Servant2LordBeckham
by Servant2LordBeckham on Jul 7, 2010 3:16 AM CDT reply actions
building up his trade bait
so kenny can dangle him instead of hudson for a big fish? perhaps ozzie could choose the appropriate match-ups for marquez, but i would rather have hudson up since we are actually in a pennant race and every game seems to matter at this point.
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 7, 2010 3:59 AM CDT up reply actions
i haven't checked the schedule or anything, but if true i bet that means
they’re going to a four man for a bit
Fireworks: Bang?
if they go to the four-man, then why bring up marquez at all?
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 7, 2010 4:09 AM CDT up reply actions
indeed
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 7, 2010 4:36 AM CDT up reply actions
if they go 4 man
which is something lots of saber types like – do the starters object to this? Or do they have to do as they are told?
Ollie and Stan's ability to make everyone laugh throughout their careers was truly a gift and they will never be forgotten.
i've heard of starters objecting to extended rest if they're start is skipped for example
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 7, 2010 5:18 AM CDT up reply actions
in america, we do as we please, not what we're told.
I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok
Hey, welcome to 2005.
Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 7, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Sox have done this every now and then
going back a few years, so I doubt it would be an issue for the Sox in particular. dn about other clubs.
Fireworks: Bang?
more likely trying to keep hudson, and for that matter Torres, out of a super 2 situation.
hudson was called up last september and has 32 days service. probably need to wait until after the break to be sure?
I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok
i was under the impression september call ups didn't count
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
of course it counts. service time is service time.
I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok
Especially with the All Star Break
Peavy skips the start on Sunday and could be sat until the 19th without any other rotation juggling.
Optimist
Marquez hasn't pitched in a few days so he may
be the most available to spend a few days in the bullpen. It wouldn’t necessarily mean he would get the next start.
Corporations are not people.....strip personhood.
their bullpen is shot
Need someone on hand to soak up innings until hudson gets called up on Sunday.
by Off the bus running on Jul 7, 2010 8:17 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
If anything
the Sox bullpen has been the least used in baseball over the past few weeks. Pena is shot but that’s it. I’d be more worried if the starters were marching out there and giving 4-5 innings. They haven’t been.
"Officially off strike...."
i thought those status updates
meant that he was moving from dating to ltr
Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 7, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
I've been meaning to comment re the lack of injuries
but held my tongue because of all the superstitious sorts here. They were due for someone to go down, figured Freddie would be the first SP – Teabag doesn’t count as far as I’m concerned, he was going to be benched anyways.
Let’s see if Hudson can pull his weight the way BMac did in ’05.
"But this streak goes to eleven"
does hudson have a higher projection than bmac at this point in his career?
just curious..
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 7, 2010 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions
their seasons in Charlotte are pretty similar
BMac in 2005
119 IP, 3.92 ERA, 1.14 WHIP, 1.2 HR/9, 2.4 BB/9, 9.8 K/9
Hudson in 2010
93 IP, 3.47 ERA, 1.20 WHIP, 1.3 HR/9, 3.0 BB/9, 10.4 K/9
BMac ended up giving them 67 IP with an ERA+ of 112, that was huge.
"But this streak goes to eleven"
similiar comps..not so familiar with ERA+, but his fip was 4.96
whatever, he and his girlfriend helped us land danks
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 7, 2010 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
ERA+ is benchmarking against the league
ERA+ of 100 means he’s giving you league avg pitching. ERA+ of 112 means he was 12% better than league average, that was huge.
"But this streak goes to eleven"
thanks!
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 7, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
It's equally similar because BMac struggled initially and after getting his first ML start
then went on a roll before coming back
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That was depressing.
Don’t jump, Cheat. We can still look forward to Wade and Bosh coming to the Windy City, right?
ass,
thats what im more depressed about right now
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
doesn't it bode weller for Chi to land LBJ?
Seems Miami is out of the mix. You might find this interesting:
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/07/re-lebron.html
"If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the people he gave it to."
— Dorothy Parker
I do not see Lebron leaving Cleveland
The argument, “If you leave, this economy collapses and you take food out of people’s mouths” is a pretty strong one… especially to someone who has been told they are going to be a basketball superstar all his life…
That's a shit argument to force on a 25 year old kid.
And it’s not like there aren’t a shit ton of people who could feed off LeBron in the much bigger cities of New York and Chicago.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 7, 2010 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions
yah cause its his fault
that cleveland is already a shit city
Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 7, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
No
If he really were thinking of coming to Chicago. Bosh would have come here. The Bulls need to close on Boozer and today.
"Officially off strike...."
Ive heard this whole time that LeBron doesnt want to play with Bosh...
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
Do with know if Melo is worth going after?
I know that Denver is trying hard to keep him. I haven’t heard where he has been looking though.
aaand boom goes the dynamite...
naw
apparently he lobbied hard for Bosh to come to Clev. Who the hell wants to go there?
"Officially off strike...."
Heh.
"...It was then I noticed the burning bus full of nuns, blind people, and small children falling over the precipice into the shark and barracuda infested water below" - U-God
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 7, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
That's green-worthy.
I have witnessed the 2005 World Series championship, Mark Buehrle's perfect game, and the 2010 Chicago Blackhawks Stanley Cup championship in my lifetime.
by chisoxfan1473 on Jul 7, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Wasting money on Carlos Boozer is the dumbest thing they can do.
David Lee4Lyfe.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 7, 2010 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
No, not at all.
It’s over. Now they just have to hope they get Boozer or Lee.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 7, 2010 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I def want boozer instead of Lee.
This all sucks but kind of lost on Bulls fans is hey you still have Rose. That kid will be a superstar in 2 years. Get Boozer. Get a spot up shooter and you’ll have a pretty decent team next year.
"Officially off strike...."
If I trusted Boozer to be healthy
I wouldn’t think twice, but 3 out of the last 6 years, 51, 33, 37 games played. That’s pretty brutal for a guy you’re probably giving the max to at this point for a guy who will be 29 this season.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 7, 2010 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah the gp is worrisome
but i dont really think you have a choice right now.
"Officially off strike...."
Well.. you kind of do if Lee is still available.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 7, 2010 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions
I do,
hes cheaper and in better shape
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
He is.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 7, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
They have almost identical effectiveness on offense.
Boozer has shown to be a better passer, both are sieves defensively. Lee is younger, has no history of injuries like Boozer, and not to mention his cheaper. Max money for Carlos Boozer is a bad idea. He’s a good player, but it signifies what’s wrong with the Bulls’ front office.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 7, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lee seems like a good partner for Rose
the Knicks fans on BTF like Lee quite a bit, although they recognize his limitations (mostly defensive related, although he can apparently rebound reasonably well). Lee seems like a good fit for both Noah and Rose — the former to cover up some of his defensive issues, and the latter because those two can run pick-and-roll all day.
If they don’t get LBJ, who are you looking for? Something like Lee + Miller would be a decent consolation prize, no? Somewhat sieve-ish defensively but you’d have an excellent offensive group.
And my goodness what a turn this free agency thing has taken. I thought the Bulls were a good bet to land one of the three. InTrade now has the Knicks at close to 50% to land LBJ. It was right around 10% this morning.
I think David Lee is the best use of cap space at this point.
If anyone can get him to be a useful defensive player it’s Thibodeau, and he executes the pick and roll as well as Boozer or Amare with none of the fanfare.
I like Ronnie Brewer a lot, basically the realization of Thabo Sefolosha’s potential. If they can sign a sharpshooter like Eddie House or Anthony Morrow on the cheap, use the MLE on Brewer, and sign Lee it’d be a successful offseason. But, as for building a title team I’d say they don’t have a legit shot unless Rose shows me something.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 7, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, it seems the best the Bulls can hope for is the Atlanta Hawks of the last two years
provided James doesn’t choose Chicago, of course.
why would anyone actually want j.j.?
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
People like to overpay on small sample sizes
And what a guy does in a playoff series or two is a clearly good predictor for what he’ll do as a regular starter for a full season.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 7, 2010 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions
agreed, I think he's a decent replacement for Kirk Hinrich
I think he’s a better shooter and has a better head on his shoulders. I couldn’t stand that little fracker..
aaand boom goes the dynamite...
sarcasm meter fail?
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
He's actually decent, far better than what Bulls fans think Kirk Hinrich actually contributed.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 7, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought JJ was a worse defender than Hinrich
JJ is probably a better spot up shooter but can he get open looks? Both Boozer and Lee are consolation prizes for missing on the Big 3 so I don’t really feel need to argue one over the other though I’d rather have Boozer
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Jul 7, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
This all sucks but it may be a blessing in disguise
Im not a doctor but if the muscle pull was based off overcompensation of the fluid build up the time off might help all. I’d rather lose Peavy for a month now then at the end of the season.
If’s he out an extended period of time things change but even still with the White Sox are easily the best central team and probably AL team equipped to deal with it by having Hudson.
"Officially off strike...."
yeah, I was thinking the same thing
He was probably pushing through the shoulder with a bunch of painkillers, best to shut him down for a while anyway.
"But this streak goes to eleven"
would like to read will carroll's take on this
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 7, 2010 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I agree
He hasn’t been feeling 100% this whole season, maybe a long break will help him heal up whatever fluid, soreness, or muscle tightness he’s been dealing with for awhile. I say a month or so off is probably a good thing. We’re gonna need him down the stretch.
Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 7, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
same vein of thought as you two
now we will have a fresh Jake Peavy to close out the season.
and I’d say pulling Hudson off the trading block is a good thing as well. I want that guy around.
Free Brent Lllibridge!
I'm not really feeling the negativity right now
It’s a blow to lose Peavy, but even if he misses time into August I feel Hudson can come up and hold down the fort. The bullpen has hardly been used over the last month or so, so maybe pending on the Jakester’s status they do indeed go to the 4 man rotation for a few weeks with Marquez or Hudson making a spot start here and there.
Meanwhile this team is finally starting to win at home and Juan freaking Pierre almost has his slugging above the mendoza (for slugging line) at .300
After having completely written this team off, I’m not going to let this setback get me down. All teams deal with injuries and the Sox will just have to keep plugging along. They are well suited to weather this storm with Hudson and the rest of the starters so solid.
If anything, this does a couple things I like: 1) it takes Hudson off the table of trade talks, and 2) it forces KW to be damn sure he really wants to make a trade.
I could be wrong, but we’ll see. After going 20-5 over the last month it’s just hard to feel any sort of negativity.
I've been travelling so much the past two or so months I've hardly had time to post or had good Internet access
I have some great photos of Punto and Thome from a Mariners/Twinks game I went to out in Seattle a few weeks ago, I’ll try to fanpost those sometime soon.
This season is totally not over.
We’re still in the race. And we at least tied a series with the Angels. Maybe some painkillers will make you more optimistic?
Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 7, 2010 9:42 AM CDT reply actions
Hell I plan on bringing a broom today!
Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 7, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Man the negativity here and on BaB is dragging me down!
Lighten up folks!
This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training
Seems to me only a couple people are negative
And the rest are pointing out the positives. I think it comes down to the fact, Peavy hasn’t been that great overall this season anyways. Yeah he’s been great recently, but horrible to start. If Hudson can just be average until he gets back, the rest of the team should be able to carry him.
We went into this season planning on Hudson starting at some point, we’re one of the few teams that has a legitimate 6th starter.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 7, 2010 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Sickel's doing an all questions answered thread
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2010/7/7/1556491/all-questions-answered-thread
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
damn my early apostraphe
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
theyr'e always late for me ;(
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
I'm bummed about Peavy
But it’s not like he was lights out recently. Let him get some needed rest and bring it back strong for the (in a Hawk voice)…STRETCH! Hell, who needs Peavy when you’ve got steady, sweaty Freddy as your ace.
Signs of the apocalypse (and a possible playoff run):
1. Brent Lillibridge stealing Bacon’s job and hitting for power
2. The rise of The Tank
3. The rebirth of Q!perman
4. Alexei just getting warmed up
5. Freddie is the ace of the pitching squad
6. Timely hitting
7. Stellar defense
8. Solid bullpen (other than Linestink)
9. The 11-game winning streak
10. Continuing to win after interleague play
11. Paulie excellent since April
Enjoy the ride for as long as possible fellas (and HSA)!
"Unemployment benefits are creating jobs faster than practically any other program...It injects demand into the economy... It creates jobs faster than almost any other initiative you can name."
- House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (7/1/10) – God help us.
except for the whole thing where he was lights out for the last five starts
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
Eh...I could pitch against Washington and the Cubs.
The point is…better now than September.
"Unemployment benefits are creating jobs faster than practically any other program...It injects demand into the economy... It creates jobs faster than almost any other initiative you can name."
- House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (7/1/10) – God help us.
Hey, 3, 4, 8, and 11 are totally not surprises.
Also there are other womens on this website besides HSA I believe. I already got called out a couple times.
Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 7, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Happy Human, pierzynskirules, lockport
I imagine there are a couple others
by Grinder in Training on Jul 7, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
logansquare
though she rarely posts
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
Less of a Sausagefest than I realized.
You single guys should get some sort of eSoxHarmony thing going.
"Unemployment benefits are creating jobs faster than practically any other program...It injects demand into the economy... It creates jobs faster than almost any other initiative you can name."
- House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (7/1/10) – God help us.
too bad shes
not alonelydog…wont help for tailgaters esssharmony
Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 7, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
ha
so is it hypocritical of me to not want to date this one chick cause she likes worlds of warcraft? ill sss all day at work, but cant get on something that spends her time on WoW
Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 7, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes.
But if you said just it’s because you like sports and she likes video games so you don’t think you’d have anything in common, no.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 7, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
well you know how girlz are
shed just turn that response around and try and challenge me to blades of steel or mlb2k10…
my opinion is that a lot of intraweb people are social retards. most sss’ers seem to come with too many formidable comments that leaves me to believe we’re not all inept
Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 7, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I rock WoW and SSS
and am engaged. WoW ain’t that bad, just don’t sneak up behind her while she’s playing.
if you talk about SSS to other people
that could be a problem. I am no longer friends with someone who just talked about WOW all the time.
Lurking since 2006
Mmmmmm.... Felicia Day...
"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat
by South Side Expat on Jul 7, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Is there an angrier group than Bulls fans?
by Grinder in Training on Jul 7, 2010 10:10 AM CDT reply actions
Well, as of later today and tomorrow, they're going to take it up the keister
"Unemployment benefits are creating jobs faster than practically any other program...It injects demand into the economy... It creates jobs faster than almost any other initiative you can name."
- House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (7/1/10) – God help us.
They really lack a larry / colin type
To just punch them in the mouth with statistics when they something stupid.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 7, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
BaB is really not that great of site, sorry to shit on a SBN cousin
but RealGM bulls board is much, much better.
well, the signal to noise ratio at RealGM is better than BaB IMO
MattBulls has no real great writing talent or insight. Again, hate to shit on a guy that puts in such hard work but I’d say 90% of the big four SBN bloggers are better than Matt.
plus the commenters are horrible.
Realgm has legends like Dough Thonus, ColdFish, BrooklynBulls, etc that put forth better analysis and sourced news than MattBulls has ever done.
I can't post there anymore, it's just awful now.
Matt’s a good guy and has been covering this shit team since 2003, but guy needs some regular writers and moderators. It’s turned into BCB.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 7, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmm. Looks like rain/t-storms tonight.
:( Really want the game to play, don’t want to be delayed or postponed.
Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 7, 2010 10:21 AM CDT reply actions
Would it be a double header tomorrow?
Or would that mean we get to skip a start if not?
by Grinder in Training on Jul 7, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Looks like storms tomorrow as well.
They’ll try and get tonight’s in but I won’t be surprised if they have to postpone tomorrow’s.
I have witnessed the 2005 World Series championship, Mark Buehrle's perfect game, and the 2010 Chicago Blackhawks Stanley Cup championship in my lifetime.
by chisoxfan1473 on Jul 7, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
From Olney's blog, re: impact of Cliff Lee on Twins:
Lee with Twins
The Twins go from a projected 1-game lead over Detroit to a 4-game lead with Lee.
Minnesota Twins Win Loss % Win Div. Playoffs
Current Forecast 89 73 54.9 49 51
w/ Cliff Lee 92 70 56.8 67 70
Lee Impact +3 wins 1.9 18 19
This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training
also:
The percentages, obviously, are higher for those teams involved in three-team races, where a couple of extra wins from Lee could make a big difference. I’d guess that the current leaderboard in terms of trading for Lee looks something like this:
1. Twins
2. Reds
3. Rays
4. Mets
5. Rangers
6. The Field
This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training
Hmmm
Cliff Lee on the Reds could put them in the playoffs/WS. I never really thought about that.
"Officially off strike...."
yeah i'm interested to see where he ends up
though, FDB
This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training
and the Reds have some talent in the minors
I could see a Todd Frazier lead package going to Seattle.
Free Brent Lllibridge!
the reds are on course
but dont forget that baker still has plenty of time to screw it up, with or w/o lee
Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 7, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
No doubt Cub fans are rooting for screw-it-up
Looks like the resurrection of “In Dusty we trusty” right now though.
by EddyStanky'sGhost on Jul 7, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
This is goofy.
Just so I understand the Twins improve and the Sox and Detroit won’t?
"Officially off strike...."
I understand Lee's value and don't dispute it
my issue is and what’s goofy is all these type of articles/tweets make it same like the competition will do nothing. So no it won’t be a net 3 win gain.
"Officially off strike...."
seem like.
also if the trade happens at the end of July. Lee’s not worth that much for 2 months is he?
"Officially off strike...."
i don't see anything wrong with writing an article that way.
if anything, it frames what the tigers and/or white sox would be up against.
yes im picking on buster's article
and including it with a popular theme ive seen recently. I think the point remains.
"Officially off strike...."
can't account for every single variable out there, tdogg.
quit whining. it’s an article with clearly stated assumptions.
more legit complaint based on the assumptions
would be that the Twins don’t have a replacement level starter out there, so they’re not going to get all of Lee’s 3WAR. He’s only worth 2WANB, for instance.
Fireworks: Bang?
He sure didn't have league leading stuff yesterday
Although our team doesn’t K all that much to begin with.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 7, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
batters are swinging at more pitches out of the zone and less in the zone so far this season
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
against him that is
When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.
You know, even without Peavy, I think the Sox can contend in the Central into September
And that’s all I ever really hope for…a summer of interesting baseball.
Here’s hoping Hudson kicks ass and the Sox find baseball magic among Viciedo, Beckham, and Bridge.
Also, I’d like to see the Sox bring up De Aza and move CQ to DH….I think.
That's pretty Alan Greenspan-ish
Injecting a cryptic (to me anyway) comment into my irrational exuberance.
So, you think I should be praying for holy intervention on the part Marquez because Hudson and Torres will be traded? Or just because the Sox will move Marquez to the bigs because if you can do it the AFL you can do it anywhere?
by hitlesswonder on Jul 7, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
well thats depressing
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
He is just going to be the long reliever until we need a fifth starter I assume.
Then one would hope they’d call up Torres or Hudson.
I truly don't understand the White Sox perosnnel decisions
by hitlesswonder on Jul 7, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
read colin's and other discussion earlier in this thread
This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training
you are so clutch.
This is not early panic, it’s continued disgust with a situation we didn’t like to begin with. - Grinder in Training
by Jack M on Jul 7, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Isn't that just to help the bullpen for now?
I can’t imagine he’ll be used as a starter
by Grinder in Training on Jul 7, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
if he isn't used out of the bullpen the rest of the week
don’t be surprised if he does start on sunday.
The Sox have been playing Jones a lot recently.
Is this their way of giving him one last change to justify being on the team before they cut him and bring up De Aza (or someone else)?
Sorry if this has already been discussed. I’ll hang up and listen
Most likely.
Either that or build some trade value.
Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 7, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
ouch
Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 7, 2010 12:07 PM CDT reply actions
oh jeese
of course ny has to try and pick on chicago…they list the chisox as #1 worst uni
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/galleries/sports_alltime_ugliest_uniforms/sports_alltime_ugliest_uniforms.html
Just taking a couple minutes to act like a retard.
Thank you, thank you, SSS. Thank you for accepting people who act like retards, if not actual retards. by Mitch. on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 7, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
is it weird that i think the old padres jerseys are boss.....
but the bronco jerseys that basically look the same i think are awful
Kenwo4life=ratings
I completely disagree with many of these.
Although that is my least favorite Sox jersey. By far.
Thanks alot for these ridiculous ticket prices, 2005.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 7, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Only surprise is it doesn't happen more often.
"....we have to find a way to win. And good teams do that."
Tomas Kopecky May 29, 2010
Same thing I said when I read that.
I can’t believe it doesn’t happen all the time with the amount of drunk people at these games.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 7, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Did he catch the damn ball?
"Unemployment benefits are creating jobs faster than practically any other program...It injects demand into the economy... It creates jobs faster than almost any other initiative you can name."
- House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (7/1/10) – God help us.
Usually the free fall at Rangers Ballpark doesn't happen until after the All-Star break.
aaand boom goes the dynamite...
by brichter45 on Jul 7, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Credit where it's due.
Rec’d.
"I'm tired, I've got a headache, my bullpen blew it." -South Side Expat
by Teahenny Penny on Jul 7, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Geez talk about bad ass
the staff’s line for the last 30 days
ERA 2.75 (1st in mlb)
FIP 3.44 (2nd in mlb to Wash)
xFIP 3.91 (4th in mlb to San Diego, Braves & Dodgers)
The staff has provided a net WPA of +7.13 during that time
compare that to the 2nd team on the list the Yanks at 2.73.
That my friend is a hot streak.
"Officially off strike...."
last night's game
Tough to lose Jake, but glad we won that one. Really surprised they did so well against Weaver too. Hopefully Hudson comes through in his starts., he just has to keep us in the game, sort of like McCarthy did in 05.
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