Danks Shuts Down Careless Twinkies
by The Cheat on Aug 11, 2010 10:09 PM CDT
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PrintThe next time you hear someone lament that the Twins are a team that doesn't beat themselves, do yourself a favor and point them directly to this game.
There are times when it feels like the Twins are the team that is un-intimidated by the setting of a big series with a division rival... Like last night when they teed off on Garcia's junk and feasted on the ass-end of the bullpen. But for every moment like last night there seems to be an equal moment, a moment we all too often forget, when the breaks don't go the Twinks way, when they're the team who appears awed by the stage of an August pennant race.
One guy we know who isn't afraid of a big game with the Twins is game 163's John Danks, who was once again in 163 form, with a little help from the Twins. Denard Span led off the game with a double to right center, which Alex Rios relayed to Gordon Beckham and on to Omar Vizquel to nail Span's greedy attempt at third. It was an example of the White Sox doing everything right, and the Twins trying too hard to do too much.
The game might have been a lot different if Span stays at second or Rios misses the cutoff man.
But Wednesday was a night when the Sox were the ones taking advantage of Twinkies mistakes, of which there were plenty. Although there were only 2 errors credited, there were no fewer than 4 errors which led to extra outs or bases for the Sox, and seemingly each time the Sox used those opportunities to push across runs.
Twins' emergency starter Glenn Perkins got battered following each Twins mistake, and eventually took his frustration out on Carlos Quentin, who had earlier homered. Perkins hit Quentin on the first pitch following yet another Twins error that led to a run, marking the end of his night and a 3-run 5th inning. From there it was all Danks; a laugher to send the Sox back in first with their hottest pitcher headed to the mound tomorrow.
Hopefully this win can swing the Sox momentum back in the positive direction after the horrible Baltimore trip and lackluster return home.
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isn't that confirmation bias?
where you only keep the data that supports your original claim?
there was a discussion about this in one of madvillain’s fan posts.
cheat would appreciate it if you could send him your address.
by Trooper on Aug 11, 2010 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I enjoy how this meme is gradually becoming more polite as time goes on.
"I'll worry about the shit rooster they put together because they have no money"
- joewho112
I think everyone should have their address on their profile page,
To save time and shipping costs.
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 11, 2010 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
And make the stalking soooo much easier.
What time do you put out your trash? just curious…..
"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok
by DrEmilioLizardo on Aug 12, 2010 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
So...you wanna pick apart a solid win?
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 11, 2010 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions
well, yes
point out the excellent things which happened. danks rules and Q! has lots of power. woot.
Specifically, I was referring to Cheat saying:
There are times when it feels like the Twins are the team that is un-intimidated…
That, I believe, is called confirmation bias and is an easy trap to fall into. Now we can point out that people saying the Twins are always clutch are falling into a logical fallacy and need to reconsider all available evidence. Doesn’t that sound tough?
nobody likes a bitch, dude.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
the first step to defeating the twins
is to realize they are covered in a blanket of lies. the sword of truth will let you cut through, and then continue as you savage the beasts innards.
if only we had some knights in shinning armor around here to wield the sword of truth…
These twins?
"I get hit quite a bit. It just happens, so...no broken bones, nothing to worry about. We'll be back at it again tomorrow." - Carlos Quentin (post-game chat with Hawk and Stone Pony 8/11/10)
Cue the Q!nicorn!
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
Q!
"Oh, for fuck's sake, Apollo Creed just got killed by a giant, blonde communist.
What a shitty night." - Guapo, on Aug 10, 2010 10:07 PM PDT
by homesickalien on Aug 12, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
HOME SPLIT BITCHES!
my favorite post from that thread….
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
heehee
That means a lot to me.
’cause there was some gold posted last night.
"Oh, for fuck's sake, Apollo Creed just got killed by a giant, blonde communist.
What a shitty night." - Guapo, on Aug 10, 2010 10:07 PM PDT
by homesickalien on Aug 12, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Assholes. Now I'm going to have to spend my lunch hour searching through the game thread.
thanks, thanks a lot ;)
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
A better way to spend your lunch hour would be to give me your address.
"I'll worry about the shit rooster they put together because they have no money"
- joewho112
yeah now I have to go back and read as well.
stupid tickets to the game making me miss the game thread.
Tonight, we fight as God intended. With 20-sided dice and graph paper.
by The Actual El Guapo on Aug 11, 2010 12:16 AM CDT
This was just such an all-around solid win over the team everyone loves to see beaten the most.
Great evening. Nice recap, too. I’m exhausted.
"Before you can say 'sounds of the game,' Mark Kotsay is out." -Chris Rose
by Teahenny Penny on Aug 11, 2010 10:31 PM CDT reply actions
Thankyou for the thourough recap,
fun game.
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
Tomorrow we shall bifurcate all over the twains
I will deuce upon Span’s pair, twice and my urine will sing a lovely duet. 1000111101101110000110100101010111
You think?
"Oh, for fuck's sake, Apollo Creed just got killed by a giant, blonde communist.
What a shitty night." - Guapo, on Aug 10, 2010 10:07 PM PDT
by homesickalien on Aug 12, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Clutch is also a mediocre band with a nonsensical song where the title is binary
His name is Rios and he dances on the sand
The code below is an actual translation of how I feel about that.
01010100 01101000 01100101 00100000 01010100 01110111 01101001 01101110 01110011 00100000 01000110 01110101 01100011 01101011 01101001 01101110 01100111 00100000 01010011 01110101 01100011 01101011 00100000 01101101 01111001 00100000 01010000 01100001 01101001 01110010
"make sure to drink your ovalti..." hey, fuck you!
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Aug 12, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
kids today need to translate the ascii to hex to binary and back by hand, as men once did.
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Aug 12, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't speak cool.
Anyone know anyone who can develop in JD Edwards Enterprise 1? If you can find me a guy in Chicago I will give you a finders fee.
fyi
010101000110100001100101001000000111001001100101011000010110110001101100011110010010000001101111011011000110010000100000011011010110010101101110001000000111010101110011011001010110010000100000010001010100001001000011010001000100100101000011
Comonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn You White Sox!
Your binary didn't work in my translator.
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
Well then, I must have been Whooshed!
Or maybe you just suck at binary ;)
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
You see? You see? He's not a machine, he's a man, he's a man.
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Aug 11, 2010 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions
OH fuck yes.
We won
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
Oh fuck. Yes? We won?
We only respectable members of the blog to any kind of standard. - Grinder In Training
by omnipotent grab on Aug 11, 2010 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions
oh where will i direct my rage????
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
by blackoutsox on Aug 11, 2010 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm directing my rage towards my significant other
in tonight’s case is my left hand
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Aug 11, 2010 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions
for those scoring at home, so far
hudson: 3 GS, 3-0, 22.2 IP, 13 H, 4 R, 4 BB, 17 K.
jackson: 2 GS, 1-0, 13 IP, 15 H, 3 R, 2 BB, 13 K.
This will be very very interesting.
My guess is Jackson whoops his ass next year.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Enough to warrant the contract?
I think SSS has found it’s new dead horse!
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 12, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
No of course not
Im talking strictly performance next year.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
oh I see now
I guess, though Im more confused than ever.
I don’t think the trade was warranted because of the future cost/performance considerations.
I think Jackson will perform up to and exceed his contract number next year.
I think strictly on performance next year Jackson kicks Hudson’s ass.
Does that cover it?
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
I don't think Jackson kicks Hudson's ass next year, but the other points I certainly agree with
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
Never doubt Coop!
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
I, too, feel distrubed…
"I'll worry about the shit rooster they put together because they have no money"
- joewho112
I dont think we can take anymore away from this than the Twins could yesterday.
A good team beat a bad pitcher.
End of story.
Great game to attend though.
Tomorrow is the game we can base grand assumptions for the rest of the season off of.
Unless the Sox lose, then its no big deal.
Tonight, we fight as God intended. With 20-sided dice and graph paper.
by The Actual El Guapo on Aug 11, 2010 12:16 AM CDT
And a good pithcer
dominated a talented lineup. Twins pitching couldn’t say that after game 1.
Yeah but it worked!
we want a pithcer, not a belly inther!
"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok
by DrEmilioLizardo on Aug 12, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
oh and I so wanted Danks to plunk Mauer after his balk.
He was at 109 or so pitches, the bullpen was up and working, and first base was open.
Coop went to the mound and I was wishing so bad that the visit was to say, “Hit him hard.”
Tonight, we fight as God intended. With 20-sided dice and graph paper.
by The Actual El Guapo on Aug 11, 2010 12:16 AM CDT
Can't risk a suspension for Danks at this point
Would have lubbit too but the sox have time to even it up…plenty of games left
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Aug 11, 2010 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions
suspended?
nah. just tossed I reckon.
Tonight, we fight as God intended. With 20-sided dice and graph paper.
by The Actual El Guapo on Aug 11, 2010 12:16 AM CDT
I don't know if it is worth risking just look at Kershaw
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Aug 12, 2010 1:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Time to send the Twins back down the road to second place
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by billyok on Aug 12, 2010 12:09 AM CDT reply actions 9 recs
gotta love the scene of throwing the kid over the bush
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
I don't know what this is from, but I'm in tears...
"Oh, for fuck's sake, Apollo Creed just got killed by a giant, blonde communist.
What a shitty night." - Guapo, on Aug 10, 2010 10:07 PM PDT
by homesickalien on Aug 12, 2010 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Screw the kid, I'm worried about the damage inflicted on the bush and possible stains on the road
Good shrubbery cost money, and pavement stains are silent killers, I tells ya.
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
I love the BBC
this is fucking great!
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
I love the British. Bahahahaha
I see it's "no criminal record" night at the ballpark -- billyok before a game against the A's
I have witnessed the 2005 World Series championship, Mark Buehrle's perfect game, and the 2010 Chicago Blackhawks Stanley Cup championship in my lifetime.
by chisoxfan1473 on Aug 12, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Im going to be at the game tomorrow section 534 row 4
dun dun tsssssssshhhhhhh
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
I'm sure
people enjoyed tonight’s game as much as they enjoyed NOT having to endure my irrelevant, over-homosexual, just-generally-stupid commentary.
I know I did.
Watching this at work was great. The place was packed with Twins fans tonight, all of whom were nice (they are, after all, from Minnesota) but Danks was something special. They all said (after the Q! bomb), ‘well, this game is over.’ I’ve never, ever seen a Twins fan so dejected from a White Sox lead.
Please, Don’t Stop Now, Boys!!!!!
"Rather be stupid and win than smart and lose."
-RWShow
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 12, 2010 1:12 AM CDT reply actions
i wont do it
and ive seen more dejected, after 163. when John Danks freaking was the man, much like he was tonight
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
you're right
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
over-homosexual?
I like my beer cold, my t.v. loud, and my homosexuals flaming.
Tonight, we fight as God intended. With 20-sided dice and graph paper.
by The Actual El Guapo on Aug 11, 2010 12:16 AM CDT
by e-gus on Aug 12, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yes, needs more flamboyance
"We are strong enough as we are and everything fits together in such a way that the only thing we were going to add would be something of an impact guy," KW
by ChicagoPete on Aug 12, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
They why were you so happy we traded Swisher?
"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok
by DrEmilioLizardo on Aug 12, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
"They why" - and you call yourself a doctor, FFS!
(I was tempted to spell doctor “docter” because I thought that would be even funnier, but I decided against it because I don’t think many people would have understood that I was going for a higher entertainment factor)
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
iz got no replie to dat...
and no class or wrythem eider
"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok
by DrEmilioLizardo on Aug 12, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
oh this is too easy
http://www.twinkietown.com/2010/8/12/1618937/samples-of-white-sox-fans-on-the
he practically whoshed himself
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
Sounds smart to me.
I take it you’re new to SBNation?
OK at SSS, they’re pretty crude but funny, and they hate the Twins.
Surprise!!11 !!
“Don’t take life for granted, because tomorrow isn’t promised to any one of us.” -Kirby PuckettI
“I CAN SURE KILLEBREW, BUT I PREFER SODA POP” -WordUpThome
by less cowbell, more ’neau on Aug 11, 2010 11:50 PM MDT
Bwahahahahahahahaha....
They called us ‘entertaining’. What up, Twins fans?!
"Rather be stupid and win than smart and lose."
-RWShow
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 12, 2010 2:05 AM CDT up reply actions
NOW WHO's in WHO's head?
yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!onehundredandeleven
His name is Rios and he dances on the sand
well played, mauerfuckers.
http://www.twinkietown.com/2010/8/11/1617644/introducing-ozzie-guillen-facepalm
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Aug 12, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
this is good.
but i did the same thing at home when that happened.
Tonight, we fight as God intended. With 20-sided dice and graph paper.
by The Actual El Guapo on Aug 11, 2010 12:16 AM CDT
Yep, I did that after every one of the 18 times the Sox made a dumbass basepath out that game.
"Oh, for fuck's sake, Apollo Creed just got killed by a giant, blonde communist.
What a shitty night." - Guapo, on Aug 10, 2010 10:07 PM PDT
by homesickalien on Aug 12, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
thats their RR
so you know.
I had to give them both barrels of rhubarb.
Tonight, we fight as God intended. With 20-sided dice and graph paper.
by The Actual El Guapo on Aug 11, 2010 12:16 AM CDT
aw geez hes just joshin' dont ya know.
Tonight, we fight as God intended. With 20-sided dice and graph paper.
by The Actual El Guapo on Aug 11, 2010 12:16 AM CDT
hahahaha, some schmuck actually used the term "sheeple"
i suppose that’s godwining your argument but without all the nazis.
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Aug 12, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, people who use the term sheeple are sheeple in and of themselves
unless the person uses sheeple when talking about another person saying sheeple
Rhubarb?
Should’ve set a bowl of RatStew before them
"We are strong enough as we are and everything fits together in such a way that the only thing we were going to add would be something of an impact guy," KW
nice!
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
I met two Twins fans at the bar last Friday. Sat with them and had a very nice baseball talk. Best part - they both were simply pleased that I was not a Cubs fan.
Good people.
"Oh, for fuck's sake, Apollo Creed just got killed by a giant, blonde communist.
What a shitty night." - Guapo, on Aug 10, 2010 10:07 PM PDT
by homesickalien on Aug 12, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
two young Cubs fans on the US Cellular express wore their Cub hats
but one had a Morneau shirt on as well.
Needless to say they got the business from a good kid of a Sox fan the whole way to the Cell. It was a baseball clinic, the Cub fan didnt know shit(shock!) but the young Sox fan hit him from every angle. It was good work.
Actual Twins fans though, yeah they arent so bad.
Tonight, we fight as God intended. With 20-sided dice and graph paper.
by The Actual El Guapo on Aug 11, 2010 12:16 AM CDT
Yep. I dig Midwesterners in general. Even more so being on the West Coast now and dealing with the the douchnozzles here.
"Oh, for fuck's sake, Apollo Creed just got killed by a giant, blonde communist.
What a shitty night." - Guapo, on Aug 10, 2010 10:07 PM PDT
by homesickalien on Aug 12, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
- one of the the's.
"Oh, for fuck's sake, Apollo Creed just got killed by a giant, blonde communist.
What a shitty night." - Guapo, on Aug 10, 2010 10:07 PM PDT
by homesickalien on Aug 12, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
I hope to one day be successful enough
to become a west coast douchenozzle.
"I'll worry about the shit rooster they put together because they have no money"
- joewho112
Semi-relevant-
Who is our DDB today?
"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok
by DrEmilioLizardo on Aug 12, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I find that hard to believe, but have at it!
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
I don't think I'm in charge of this.
"I'll worry about the shit rooster they put together because they have no money"
- joewho112
Douchenozzles?
I had decent experience with those on the West Coast, mainly Northern California though, never as far North as you. It was the East Coast that have made me happy to live in the Midwest.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 12, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Douchenozzles.
"Oh, for fuck's sake, Apollo Creed just got killed by a giant, blonde communist.
What a shitty night." - Guapo, on Aug 10, 2010 10:07 PM PDT
by homesickalien on Aug 12, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I've mentioned this before, but everyone is just so darn friendly to you here as they passive-aggressively stab you in the back.
Like Jim Thome.
"Oh, for fuck's sake, Apollo Creed just got killed by a giant, blonde communist.
What a shitty night." - Guapo, on Aug 10, 2010 10:07 PM PDT
by homesickalien on Aug 12, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Probably will, I miss Chicago like crazy. It's a shame because I really love the state of Washington. Just not Seattleites so much.
"Oh, for fuck's sake, Apollo Creed just got killed by a giant, blonde communist.
What a shitty night." - Guapo, on Aug 10, 2010 10:07 PM PDT
by homesickalien on Aug 12, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, hard to really blame the city concerning 75% of the people that live there are imports from other places
And “everyone is just so darn friendly to you here as they passive-aggressively stab you in the back” was my experience in Minneapolis, FWIW. The most decent people I met up there were imports from Milwaukee.
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
Leatherface?
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 12, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Buffalo Bill...
“First it rubs on the lotion….”
"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok
by DrEmilioLizardo on Aug 12, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I get to be the Suicide King, OM is the Black Mariah.
"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok
by DrEmilioLizardo on Aug 12, 2010 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
seatle is the most passive aggressive city I've ever been in
I’ve lived in Crown Heights brooklyn, which isn’t the greatest neighborhood. People there at least move over when you are walking on the sidwalk, you know, move to your freaking right, it’s like driving.
seattlites will run you over.
See, that just misleadingly implies their heads aren't completely lodged up their assholes in the first place.
"Oh, for fuck's sake, Apollo Creed just got killed by a giant, blonde communist.
What a shitty night." - Guapo, on Aug 10, 2010 10:07 PM PDT
by homesickalien on Aug 12, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Try walking in China.
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
All the female Twins fans I have met
are generally hot.
"I'll worry about the shit rooster they put together because they have no money"
- joewho112
I like Twins fans
They’re nice, reasonably attractive and don’t go to nightclubs in Cardinals attire and jort at 11:30 despite having several hours to change after the 1:20 game ended
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by billyok on Aug 12, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
whose fans do that?
also, how do you know that isn’t their ‘going out’ jersey and jort and they didn’t go back to the hotel to change out of their ‘going to the game’ jersey and jort?
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
by MarketMaker on Aug 12, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
are you posting this from the bathtub full of ice?
and is your back stitched up?
His name is Rios and he dances on the sand
I can hardly type, my fingers are so raw.
"Oh, for fuck's sake, Apollo Creed just got killed by a giant, blonde communist.
What a shitty night." - Guapo, on Aug 10, 2010 10:07 PM PDT
by homesickalien on Aug 12, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
I hate twins
ego, I hate their fans but it is what it is. Midwest fans tend to be very mild and open
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
Holy shit, Rhubarb is fucking awesome!
“Minnesota…I stick my dick in your hotdish.”
I am going to be laughing my ass off for hours about that one.
If only he would have added “and shit on your bars”
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
now wait a fucking minute
I love their hate of LNP
and how the whole place explodes when LNP somehow plays a role in beating them…
that’s what you get when you hate a man riding a unicorn
by caluofmn on Aug 12, 2010 7:50 AM PDT
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Aug 12, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I saw that and joined the site just to be able to post Qnicorn (created by thecip May 2008, long before LNP ever found himself a unicorn).
I gotta wait 24 hours though, if anyone else cares to jump in.
"Oh, for fuck's sake, Apollo Creed just got killed by a giant, blonde communist.
What a shitty night." - Guapo, on Aug 10, 2010 10:07 PM PDT
by homesickalien on Aug 12, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
From my personal collection....
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm167/monstermash17/the_unicorns_rainbow_I1.jpg
"Oh, for fuck's sake, Apollo Creed just got killed by a giant, blonde communist.
What a shitty night." - Guapo, on Aug 10, 2010 10:07 PM PDT
by homesickalien on Aug 12, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Currently my desktop background.
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 12, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
i drinked us home a winner!
fuck yeah!
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
by MarketMaker on Aug 12, 2010 1:40 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
so, you were the guy calling in to les grobstein tonight!
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 12, 2010 2:36 AM CDT up reply actions
ugh.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
by MarketMaker on Aug 12, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
How the hell is this not green?
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
hang wiffum.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
Shameless self-promotion
http://phanominal.blogspot.com/2010/08/pleasure.html
Read, comment, love, hate, both, neither. Just, check it out. I want to get better.
"Rather be stupid and win than smart and lose."
-RWShow
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 12, 2010 2:42 AM CDT reply actions
bbc, wtf, you read the communist crap that comes from here!!
"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 12, 2010 6:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Pregnant women are supposed to fast during Ramadan.
Neither are small children, the elderly or travelers.
I assume you meant to say aren't?
by Grinder in Training on Aug 12, 2010 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Correct
They are NOT supposed to fast.
I’m not sure how if works in practice, but per my Mulsim professor of History of Islam in the Middle East, the standard for who needs to fast is very reasonable. No one is supposed to put their health at risk.
yep, that is correct..
"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 12, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Indeed, though I've had friends who were sick during Ramadan and "made up" the missed days.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 12, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
I think it is more the fact
that requirements regarding “pious-ness” don’t apply to women because under Islamic law women are not really people. They are chattel.
by stanfordron on Aug 12, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
hey tdogg, don't jizz in your pants
but danks is on pace for a 6.0 WAR
"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 12, 2010 6:11 AM CDT reply actions
Oh you know what me makes me all warm and fuzzy inside.....
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Remember this Danksy argument?
Where you at Big Hurt?
I really stepped out. lol.
Sure I’d agree with that about the hr/fb percentage in 08 But I also expect less base runners from him and collectively his increasing gb% and decreasing ld% should off set it. I fully expect a 6 WAR season from Danks in the next 3 years. I suspect his agent does too.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Nice to see I'm consistent.
I went to rec the comment from oahu, only to find that I rec’d it months ago when this post was originally made.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 12, 2010 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions
"It's a new dawn it's a new day."
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Floyd v Liriano
Toe-to-toe nuclear war with the Twinkies tonight! Should be a good game.
"We are strong enough as we are and everything fits together in such a way that the only thing we were going to add would be something of an impact guy," KW
I'll be there. I'm already all tingly "down there."
"I get hit quite a bit. It just happens, so...no broken bones, nothing to worry about. We'll be back at it again tomorrow." - Carlos Quentin (post-game chat with Hawk and Stone Pony 8/11/10)
i love HBO.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
FTT FTT FTT FTT FTT FTT
"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 12, 2010 9:42 AM CDT reply actions
Twin fucks
So I happened to be in the Twins club house Saturday and while I was there I was reading the league memorandums posted on the BB. One of them had to do with decorum and the National Anthem. Now I have to say its a sad time when you have to have a memo that says be mindful of the media during the national anthem because (I’m paraphrasing) you don’t want to give the wrong impression and it reflects poorly on the league.
But one point the memo makes is you want to be in the dugout for the anthem. Again its said to think you have to issue a memo stating what should be obvious.
So I’m at the game last night. Its police and fire night. The Sox dugout is packed. They are all on the top step during the anthem. I look over at the Twins dugout and there were maybe 6 Twins there.
All I could think was get your fucking asses out of the club house and show some fucking respect you fucks.
Comonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn You White Sox!
I'm suprised Big Jim didn't drag them up there by the scruff of their necks.
"I get hit quite a bit. It just happens, so...no broken bones, nothing to worry about. We'll be back at it again tomorrow." - Carlos Quentin (post-game chat with Hawk and Stone Pony 8/11/10)
*surprised (ugh)
"I get hit quite a bit. It just happens, so...no broken bones, nothing to worry about. We'll be back at it again tomorrow." - Carlos Quentin (post-game chat with Hawk and Stone Pony 8/11/10)
What do you do that puts you in position to be in team's clubhouses?
by Grinder in Training on Aug 12, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
neither
a season ticket holder perk called Grinder Bash. You pretty much get the run of the park for 3 hours + free food and drinks – beer and wine included.
I know the players wifi codes now too :-) But I’m not posting that.
Comonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn You White Sox!
I can do a fan post with pictures is anyone cares.
Comonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn You White Sox!
eff yeah!
"Oh, for fuck's sake, Apollo Creed just got killed by a giant, blonde communist.
What a shitty night." - Guapo, on Aug 10, 2010 10:07 PM PDT
by homesickalien on Aug 12, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
okie dokie
Just no weeping when I post a picture of Jim Thome’s locker ok?
Comonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn You White Sox!
You act like I have control over this estrogen!
"Oh, for fuck's sake, Apollo Creed just got killed by a giant, blonde communist.
What a shitty night." - Guapo, on Aug 10, 2010 10:07 PM PDT
by homesickalien on Aug 12, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
i love the liquid fire throw at the reporter.
Tonight, we fight as God intended. With 20-sided dice and graph paper.
by The Actual El Guapo on Aug 11, 2010 12:16 AM CDT
Apropos of nothing
I worked on a case the better part of a decade ago that involved, among other things, the insurance of a number of pro athlete’s contracts dating back to the late 90s. The policies almost always were accompanied by reports of doctors’ physicals and riders excluding (for lack of a better word) preexisting conditions. Several prominent players were included. I won’t mention names or even teams, but it was fascinating reading about who had what undisclosed ailment, and then seeing them have to miss time/retire because of that ailment
by BridgeportJoe on Aug 12, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Herpes is a big one, yes?
Always fun to see who is on Valtrex. Dirty boys.
Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT
by winningugly on Aug 12, 2010 1:30 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I was also wondering if BJ was alluding to STDs.
Great minds think alike. Our minds think trash ;)
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
So the Twins hate America, that's just perfect.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 12, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
gotta respect who CTC.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
by MarketMaker on Aug 12, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
what do you reckon to this mate?
My Beerdrunk soul is sadder than all the dead christmas trees of the world
no, it doesn't. spending has been out of control for too long.
they won’t cut enough spending, so our taxes are gonna go up.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
by MarketMaker on Aug 12, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
No.
Not now.Unless you are a trader.
Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT
by winningugly on Aug 12, 2010 1:31 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Is that because treasuries are risky?
Or because they are only paying 150 bps?
(I understand that this is largely the same question — the main inquiry is whether 1.5% interest is sufficient to compensate the risk. But my understanding is that private funds are fleeing from US debt mostly because it’s not worth anyone’s while to invest in something with such a miniscule ROR.)
by BridgeportJoe on Aug 12, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
yesterday and today i've been buying LOPE, BHI and HPQ.
then again, it’s all been in my personal account and i haven’t actively traded the market in 2 weeks, so i pretty much don’t know what’s going on.
i have been drinking a lot this month, though, if that does anything for you.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
EWZ, EWS, FL.
And bonds.
Oh, and wake the fuck up and get to work. It’s still America, not fucking Sweden.
Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT
by winningugly on Aug 12, 2010 5:05 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
foot locker?
i do some trading in those ishares. volume is very touch and go in there though.
gotta have a longer time horizon because those really dry up and there’s no liquidity.
i tell you what, i’ll buy a few hundred shares of your singapore call and we’ll see what happens.
how long of a hold do you like these for?
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
10yrs. i see you said that below.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
Depends on what the data says.
Sometimes 2-3 weeks. Sometimes longer. These days it might be a week. Renting a lot.
Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT
by winningugly on Aug 12, 2010 6:04 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
ECH? you typically use the ishares?
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
Pinochet-lover.
Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT
by winningugly on Aug 12, 2010 6:07 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
R u guys finished solving the world's I mean the US problems yet
There is baseball to be played!
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
R u guys finished solving the world's I mean the US problems yet
There is baseball to be played!
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
*furiosuly
scrawling stock symbols on a barroom napkin*
by foryourhead on Aug 13, 2010 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions
i've heard their corporate offices are surprisingly jovial.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
actually, i do like to buy TNA. not that their in the business of t'n'a.
though RICK is. and i’m a fan of them, too.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
they're.
wu’d
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
my dream is to one day open a spearmint rhino in chicago.
and live the life i’ve always wanted.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
this. (first statement)
and if you need somebody to run IT and/or audio, i kindly request your address so i know where to send my résumé.
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Aug 12, 2010 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It is a good company
in a growing, fragmented industry.
Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT
by winningugly on Aug 12, 2010 5:00 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
You've received enough of my free advice.
But MLP’s are a little frothy now. Hold.
Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT
by winningugly on Aug 12, 2010 4:11 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
The only decent investment I've made
is Fidelity’s Capital and income. I consider that pure luck.
That and the two flat I paid 96k for in 1988.
Comonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn You White Sox!
what neighborhood?
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
I don't get this.
We had a budget surplus as recently as 2001. Government spending as a share of GDP is lower here than most of the rest of the western world. US debt commands a ludicrously low interest rate, indicating that the rest of the world is perfectly confident that the country won’t go “bankrupt.”
The only long term risk is runaway health care inflation. But I’m not really concerned about that. At the point at which average-middle-class-voter Joe Schmoe can’t afford to go to the doctor, and his employer drops health insurance benefits, people in this country will demand that the government provide health care or coverage for everybody.
by BridgeportJoe on Aug 12, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, but...
The fundamentals here are just so solid. Meaning that if you had a hypothetical Country A that:
(A) Had a ratio of government spending to GDP that was substantially lower than the average in the developed world;
(B) Had a relatively low tax rate (meaning it is far enough below the Laffer inflection point that taxes could be raised to increase revenue); and
© Had very low inflation, and a central bank with a reputation for being hardcore inflation hawks; then
you’d be a fool to think that Country A was even remotely on the verge of a Greece-style fiscal crisis.
by BridgeportJoe on Aug 12, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
what you missed was
The run up of housing value created artificial wealth. Credit was give where their was no real collateral. Money chased money until it got tired and realized there really was none. When that happened their was suddenly no credit and for many their was no way to pay what they owed.
Trillions in wealth wiped out in the blink of an eye – because it was fake.
Then things got ugly. In order to stave off what looked like the mother of all depressions the government started printing and lending money. Some think that was a bad idea. I’m happy to not be selling apples.
Now we have to decide what world we live in. One where we can spend 6-800 Billion on a defense budget that still forces us to use 40 year old national guardsman or something more sane.
Comonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn You White Sox!
by zokmaad on Aug 12, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
when did this become ron paul's website?
let’s stick to baseball
by madvillian on Aug 12, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I was just starting to learn
why my earning power has decreased exponentially. I wanna hear the end of the story! Is it happy?
Lol
So a few years back these financial guys discovered there was this ‘giant pool of money’ (yeah you can google it). They discovered all you had to do was create financial instruments that showed a decent return and they could tap that pool. So they created the infamous mortgage backed securities.
Demand for these caused them to create these bundles of good and bad mortgages. For some reason the ratings companies were happy to slap AAA on just about anything.
So was born a ponzie scheme of epic proportion.
To keep feeding the market they needed mortgages. They lent money to anybody that asked. Didn’t even do back ground checks anymore. No need because property values never went down. If the guy couldn’t pay you get a property that increased in value. No way to lose.
So like a I said when that bubble burst. It was bad. AIG, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac gushed red ink and threatened to tank the world economy. You may know the rest.
Comonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn You White Sox!
The best representation of what happened was an NPR report than came out a little over a year ago
It is like an hour and a half long…seek it.
They did a great one of Healthcare
Basically, the problem is the doctors, the insurance providers, the government and the patients.
by joewho112 on Aug 12, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
it was everybody in the everywhere with the everything.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
was that the episode that was produced by TAL
but pretty much written by Planet Money? regardless both shows are very informative
"The trouble with baseball is that the player who knows how to bat and field the best is sitting in the bleachers" or on sss!?!
by Grinder Rule #42 on Aug 12, 2010 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Not exactly.
What happened was that a few decades ago, they figured out that you could slice up a pool of risky assets and create pieces that theoretically weren’t so risky. For example, if you have 10 crappy mortgages, you can cut it up so one guy gets the first third of the money that comes in, one guy gets the second third, and another guy gets the last third. It turns out that (theoretically) the first guy actually has a pretty safe investment, and even the second guy is doing OK, The third guy gets kicked in the teeth, but you account for that by selling to him for pennies on the dollar.
What this led to is it becoming profitable to underwrite really crappy mortgages, because you could turn around and slice them up and sell them off pretty easily. The problem is that the model assumed that default events were largely independent of one another — meaning that whether or not Mortgage 1 defaulted was unrelated to Mortgage 2 and etc. etc. etc. In actuality, this wasn’t the case. It turns out that in the hyperinflated markets, once the ability to refi stopped (because values leveled off), the majority of the ten mortgages defaulted because people weren’t making payments out of income, they were just cash-out refinancing and paying with the proceeds. Then the recession hit, and many of the remaining mortgages also defaulted because there was no income. So the second guy gets wiped out, and in some cases, the third guy takes a huge hit.
by BridgeportJoe on Aug 12, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
This place needs more frolf.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 12, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm glad you asked.....
"Oh, for fuck's sake, Apollo Creed just got killed by a giant, blonde communist.
What a shitty night." - Guapo, on Aug 10, 2010 10:07 PM PDT
by homesickalien on Aug 12, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Sure.
The inflating and popping of the housing bubble created trillions and then wiped it off the books, and it even has the potential of destroying a number of regional cities (Vegas, Phoenix, and parts of Florida come to mind). And it sparked a financial crisis/recession that has required the government to spend about $1T — and maybe $1T more will be needed before all is said and done.
But at the end of the day, it’s all peanuts in the grand scheme of things. I really don’t think it was a game-changer that is going to result in the US suddenly veering off on a catastrophic fiscal path.
by BridgeportJoe on Aug 12, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Jesus Christ, are you high?
US Treasury numbers of how much more we have spentin 2010 so far in excess of 2009 after the numbers were normalized and excluded TARP and payments to GSE, then adding an FDIC one-time payment:
SS: 5.9 pc
Unemployment: 40.6 pc
Interest on debt: 17.9 pc
We are on the Road to Perdition.
Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT
by winningugly on Aug 12, 2010 1:59 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
???
You mean the government spends more on unemployment during a recession? Geez, that’s breaking news.
And if the deficit goes way up temporarily, there is a lot more interest on that deficit? Again, that’s a shocker to me.
I will concede that the social security increase is probably double what I’d expect. I wonder how much of that is more people than expected retiring early with partial benefits because of the recession? Or people claiming disability because they can’t get a job. Hmmm…
by BridgeportJoe on Aug 12, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
This is not a "temporary" deficit.
And the interest payments are using the lowest interest rates in 60 years. If you are not concerned you ARE high. Or not a serious person.
Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT
by winningugly on Aug 12, 2010 4:14 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
was ted stevens that one senator
who was caught trying to buy gay sex in the minneapolis airport?
"The trouble with baseball is that the player who knows how to bat and field the best is sitting in the bleachers" or on sss!?!
by Grinder Rule #42 on Aug 12, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Bridge to Nowhere.
Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT
by winningugly on Aug 12, 2010 4:53 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
that would be one sen. larry craig, r-id
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Aug 12, 2010 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Heading for a cliff? No.
I guess I disagree with the notion that “the only long-term risk is health care inflation.” Not sure that’s the case — public/state pensions are a huge issue, which is likely going to cause some reneging on promises or more taxation. Pretty sure there are more, too.
I don’t think we’re in very good shape (duh), but I’d be weary to make any predictions about the future. Cowen had a post a week or two back on macro where he closed with a sentence along the lines of, “We still don’t know what we’re talking about.” It’s not a great place to be, but humility and the admission of uncertainty is likely a better spot than feigning absolute confidence one way or the other.
uncertainty is the name of the game.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
Pensions
Deal with that is that there are some huge unfunded liabilities, but once the current projected debacles work their way through the system (either through reneged promises, or increased taxes, or some combination thereof), then that problem is behind us.
Again, the main point is that this is like SS — it’s not that it isn’t an issue, it’s that it is decades away, and the fixes won’t even be that painful for the population as a whole. We can plan for it. The flip side is health care. If it balloons at the current rate, there’s nothing we can do to plan for it. We just have to assume that it will slow down — but that’s really based on nothing except “well, it just CAN’T keep on skyrocketing.”
by BridgeportJoe on Aug 12, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
public/state pensions are a huge issue
1. Unfunded portions equal about $1 Trillion total over the lifetimes of those/these workers, while state/local spending is about $2.8 Trillion per YEAR. A problem? Yeah, but keep it in context.
2. Many of those workers don’t receive Social Security. (Not that you said they did, just a reminder.)
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver
Actually, I haven't read Krugman in a long time.
Are his views similar?
by BridgeportJoe on Aug 12, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
your snark is the weakest.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
cause talkin politics is so fun
Not sure if you are citing the oft-cited Clinton budget surplus, but if you are, some food for thought.
The oft-cited Clinton budget surplus was a total fiction. Came from excess social security receipts. What happens when the SS fund takes in more $ than it has to pay out in benefits? By law, the excess must be used to purchase U.S. Bonds. In other words, the SS fund makes a loan to the general fund.
Bullshitty politicians use this inflow of money to claim a budget surplus but anyone with a decent knowledge of accounting knows you don’t account for proceeds from sales of debt instruments as revenue….unless you are Enron Corp.
Word
from the little I understand, government accounting appears to be as shady as, well, regular accounting. Lots of off balance sheet stuff that isn’t counted in the budget, IIRC.
That's absolutely true
The reported national debt does not count the present value of social security or medicare benefits promised, nor do I imagine does it count the present value of employee pension programs
The budget doesn't include some war spending
for GW’s administration, that meant that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan weren’t included. Not sure how this administration is dealing with it.
Also, moroots, what you’re talking about isn’t anything new. When looking at the deficit, they factor in SS over-payments to make the debt look smaller as well. Not sure if you meant it as a dig on Clinton, but they were just playing by the same rules as everyone else. Rules, a you point out, which are wholly misguided and wrong.
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
My understanding
is that the whole war was funded off budget.
May the Bush Administration rot in hell
Inherited the first federal surplus in generations, and decided what this country really needed was a massive tax cut that chiefly benefited the upper 2% of the electorate. And then proceed to declare two wars with no concern at all about increasing revenues to fund it. I have yet to hear a Republican rationalization for any of this, it’s unforgivable what they’ve done to this country. On top of that they killed the auto industry and the dream cars of my youth
"We are strong enough as we are and everything fits together in such a way that the only thing we were going to add would be something of an impact guy," KW
Jesus Christ.
This is not DailyKos or Huffington. Plenty of credit goes to gridlock for the surplus, with a nod to increased leverage, and plenty of blame goes to FNM, FRE, Congress who loosened standards, and a Fed asleep at the switch. So lighten up on the partisan bullshit.
Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT
by winningugly on Aug 12, 2010 6:13 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
ha
that’s precious coming from your shriveled lips
"We are strong enough as we are and everything fits together in such a way that the only thing we were going to add would be something of an impact guy," KW
also, we should have changed payout ages a long time ago. people live a lot longer now.
these ages were chosen in a completely different era.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
by MarketMaker on Aug 12, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
We have changed full retirement ages.
It was originally 65. Now it’s 67.
But that’s beside the point, There will be a glut of baby boomers entering the retirement system over the next 20 years, and then another glut when their kids enter it en masse starting in about 40 years. But that can be planned for. The fix wouldn’t even be that difficult — raise FICA taxes a couple of points, or increase the cap to $200k or so, or increase the retirement age a couple of years, or some combination thereof. Nothing that would be too painful.
As I said above, the real issue is Medicare. As long as health care inflation is in the 10-15% range, it’s going to grow faster than we can plan for it.
by BridgeportJoe on Aug 12, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh, and...
You’d be surprised how small the change in life expectancy at retirement has been in the past 80 years. Yes, people live a lot longer now — but what’s driving the vast majority of that is a huge decrease in childhood and young adulthood mortality. If you make it to 60 or 65, you don’t live that much longer these days. It’s less than five years, if memory serves (i.e., a 65 year old in 1938 could expect to live to 78, whereas one in 2000 could expect to live to 82, or somesuch).
by BridgeportJoe on Aug 12, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
that's pretty much what you'd expect given
what we spend all our money on now vs. then wrt healthcare. labs all over the world workin’ on polio vs. labs all over the world working on cancer.
Fireworks: Bang?
Bee Ess, Doc.
See the previous post. If you are part of a married couple and are both 65 now there is a 50 pc chance one of you will live to 90. The fastest growing 10 year demographic is those aged 90-100.
And 82 is a lot more than 63. (Previous post.) Also, infant/childhood mortality/morbidity is on the rise in the US. Fat, poor, unhealthy kids eat crappy food.
Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT
by winningugly on Aug 12, 2010 1:46 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
When SS age (65) was chosen the average life expectancy was 63.
It’s now 82. Oops.
Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT
by winningugly on Aug 12, 2010 1:34 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
That's not the right question.
If the average life expectancy was 63 because childhood mortality (but also birthrates) was a lot higher, then that doe