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Painfully Long Game Ends Painful Homestand

It took the White Sox three and a half hours to lose on Sunday, so you can't even say 'at least it was quick.'

When the Sox left Baltimore on Monday, losers of 3 out of 4 to the lowly O's, we felt dejected but noted there was plenty of baseball left to be played. It was only one series after all. Surely the reappearance of the April-May Sox was just a one series engagement.

But here we are two series later, two series losses later. Blown leads. Inconsistent offense. Routine plays botched in the Field. These Sox don't resemble the team we got used to in June and July.

Taking it in the nuts today was Freddy Garcia (AGAIN), Andruw Jones and J.J. Putz. Garcia is pitching exactly as most of us expected. If anything, he gave us more Good Freddy than even the most optimistic forecasters predicted. Most thought he would give the Sox about a half-season of effective pitching before being replaced... by Daniel Hudson, who's no longer around. With Peavy's injury and Hudson's departure, there's not exactly much on the farm to replace Garcia. 

In fact, the Sox will probably have to tap that well (Carlos Torres or Erik Threets) when they eventually put Bobby Jenks and his ailing back on the DL.

Putz, fresh off of allowing a game-winning 2-run HR to earn the blown save on Saturday, got some help from Jones to make it back-to-back blown saves on the weekend. This time it was Jones turning the wrong way on Johnny Damon's deep drive that resulted in 2 runs, lead blown. But that wasn't enough, on the very next batter Jones dropped a routine play to allow yet another run across.

Those runs would seem momentarily meaningful when Jones lead off the next inning with a HR. But when Tony Pena and Keystone Kops defense made an appearance in the ninth, they removed all hope at another comeback. 

The Sox are now 3 games behind the Twins for the first time since June 23rd. They've lost 3 straight series, looking like dookie in all three, and have to go on the road for another key series with the Twins this week.

No, the season isn't over based on the last 10 games, but it might be in another 3. Anything less than a series win in Minnesota and the Sox would seem to have eliminated themselves the span of two weeks.

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it was fun while it lasted

thanks for the 8 weeks of fun sox

"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10

by Ahillock on Aug 15, 2010 5:14 PM CDT reply actions  

The curse of the Closers strikes again!

something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.

-MarketMaker

by blackoutsox on Aug 15, 2010 5:22 PM CDT reply actions  

but i thought we had the strongest pen in the majors?

"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10

by Ahillock on Aug 15, 2010 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

fjm

something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.

-MarketMaker

by blackoutsox on Aug 16, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, that escalated quickly.

DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY

by Ozzie Montana on Aug 15, 2010 5:27 PM CDT reply actions  

.

something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.

-MarketMaker

by blackoutsox on Aug 15, 2010 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

it may be, i just googled spanish inquisition and found this perfect picture

although I was hoping for something more grotesque

something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.

-MarketMaker

by blackoutsox on Aug 16, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sure you can find plenty of hand sketched pictures

that go in AP Euro history textbooks. Ugh.

Time to call in the Q!avalry.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 16, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Come on really?

This was a classic Python sketch. “No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!”

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Aug 16, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I will look it up and watch it sometime then

something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.

-MarketMaker

by blackoutsox on Aug 16, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know who's killing me most in this string of comments. Mel Brooks' History of the World Part I.

I can’t believe nobody’s corrected this yet.

"Oh, for fuck's sake, Apollo Creed just got killed by a giant, blonde communist.
What a shitty night." - Guapo, on Aug 10, 2010 10:07 PM PDT

by homesickalien on Aug 16, 2010 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

auto da fe, auto da fe

its what you shouldn’t do, but you do anyway.

Why is this brainless, legless drunk still on my TV?-RWShow

by soxshenanigans on Aug 16, 2010 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kids these days...

I was really hoping that was a whosh and not just painful ignorance.

"the yankees are rachael ray.
god i hate that bitch." by BuehrleMan on Aug 7, 2010 11:48 PM CDT

by South Side Expat on Aug 16, 2010 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whaddyagonnado.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 16, 2010 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey. I am a human being. I have the right to facepalm. At others and at myself.

:)

"Oh, for fuck's sake, Apollo Creed just got killed by a giant, blonde communist.
What a shitty night." - Guapo, on Aug 10, 2010 10:07 PM PDT

by homesickalien on Aug 17, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

today's game

Really disappointing again today. They’re just not playing fundamentally anymore and a team like MIN can, if they don’t play well next series (5 or 6 out) it is over. It just seems like when we get good pitching we waste it by not hitting (see last nite) and when we hit (today a really good example) we can’t get anyone out. Just terrible this week.

by walterfan34 on Aug 15, 2010 5:41 PM CDT reply actions  

what a crappy weekend of baseball.

I've never seen a supernova blow up, but if it's anything like my old Chevy Nova, it'll light up the night sky. - Fry

by Marked Hoosier on Aug 15, 2010 5:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeesh

"We are strong enough as we are and everything fits together in such a way that the only thing we were going to add would be something of an impact guy," KW

by ChicagoPete on Aug 15, 2010 5:57 PM CDT reply actions  

When you’re luck is battin’ zero
Get your chin off the floor
Mister you can be a hero
You can open any door
There’s nothin’ to it
But to do it
You’ve gotta have heart

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver

by Chiburb on Aug 15, 2010 6:12 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

but the man who’s worth while
is the man who can smile
when his pants are too tight in the seat
and when the fucking sox get their heads outta their damn asses already
Holy bonkers batman, this stretch was a pile of shit.
~ the judge

It's the Chicago Blackhawks man...

by Campbell32 on Aug 16, 2010 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

And thx for a (finally) recap.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver

by Chiburb on Aug 15, 2010 6:13 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Things are pretty dire if the bullpen keeps unraveling

"We are strong enough as we are and everything fits together in such a way that the only thing we were going to add would be something of an impact guy," KW

by ChicagoPete on Aug 15, 2010 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is not a string...

It is a Tapeworm, slowly devouring the hope of this season’s success.

"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok

by DrEmilioLizardo on Aug 15, 2010 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

pull a philip markoff?

"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10

by Ahillock on Aug 15, 2010 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, tampa needs a nice winning streak now

something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.

-MarketMaker

by blackoutsox on Aug 15, 2010 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm so glad I wasn't at home for this

I would’ve cry myself to sleep

2010 STANLEY CUP CHAMPION CHICAGO BLACKHAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Chicago White Sox Baseball making me highly distraught and privy to do mean things, I'm not short my temper is....

by pierzynskirules on Aug 15, 2010 6:39 PM CDT reply actions  

so sweet

2010 STANLEY CUP CHAMPION CHICAGO BLACKHAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Chicago White Sox Baseball making me highly distraught and privy to do mean things, I'm not short my temper is....

by pierzynskirules on Aug 16, 2010 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sale looked fantastic

so, there’s that. Was a little wild after the first out and then settled down, hit his spots and he mowed people down. I was at the game, so its possible the mind flaying amounts of sun confused me, or that everyone else was working at a ponderous rate, but he did seem to be moving fast and throwing well.

Fun game, until Putz, and the Konerko bomb was awesome. Jones was getting booed right before the homer like crazy. Che made some two fantastic plays the over the shoulder catch in short center and a great lateral play to cover a grounder up the middle, dude is nails. And right after Cabrera hit his homer my lady type leans over and says, ’isn’t that the guy who doesn’t make outs? why’d they pitch to him?’ I had nothing.

Seriously, mind flaying amounts of sun. Oh, and a blue angel buzzed the field during the 8th intermission. Very cool.

by coffeepac on Aug 15, 2010 6:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Spot on re Sale and Che. As for Jones,

I said in the bar to hold the HR applause until they tie it.
No cheers, but no boos either.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver

by Chiburb on Aug 15, 2010 7:06 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I stopped being aggresively angry

but he had more to atone for. He butchered both of those fly balls.

by coffeepac on Aug 15, 2010 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

The highlight of the last hour

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Aug 16, 2010 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Mid season perhaps, depends on how he progresses.

And I’m not sure he has an ML 3rd pitch.
larry?

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver

by Chiburb on Aug 15, 2010 7:08 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I was unaware we would have room for him

Gavin
John
Jake
Mark
Edwin

something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.

-MarketMaker

by blackoutsox on Aug 15, 2010 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why not?

Seems like everyone seems to think he’ll be able to. It’s unique, but doesn’t seem to be unique in a bad way.
I guess I understand being pessimistic about the unknown, so you don’t get let down later, but I haven’t read anything that would suggest he won’t pitch again. Am I missing something here?

by Grinder in Training on Aug 16, 2010 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I laughed

when I read ‘John’ right after ‘Jake’ for some reason.

"Rather be stupid and win than smart and lose."

-RWShow

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 16, 2010 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's a beautiful read

I hope we can afford some bats to support it next year.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Aug 16, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

no milb experience?

hes not strausburg

something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.

-MarketMaker

by blackoutsox on Aug 15, 2010 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

what have you seen that suggests he could start next season?

by larry on Aug 15, 2010 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

since he's probably pitched to less than 12 batters this year

I think they were hoping for a little more info from the minor league expert.

by jimmyjr on Aug 16, 2010 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

fewer.

hey swisher...........you know.

by BuehrleMan on Aug 16, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

nice contribution

do you think I care about a grammatical error? Look around at the other posts, you’ll be here all day making corrections.

by jimmyjr on Aug 16, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

now see i read that as he pitched to less than 12.

who pissed in your cheerios this morning?

Tonight, we fight as God intended. With 20-sided dice and graph paper.
by The Actual El Guapo on Aug 11, 2010 12:16 AM CDT

by e-gus on Aug 16, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Putz did, from Saturday night to now.

I don’t understand people who correct grammar and typos in a blog while adding nothing to the conversation.

by jimmyjr on Aug 16, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with you pal - fucking pedants

My Beerdrunk soul is sadder than all the dead christmas trees of the world

by hoodlight on Aug 16, 2010 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

that was a question. notice the question mark.

i’m not sure why someone would think sale would be ready to start in the majors next season. perhaps i’ve missed something. that’s why i asked.

by larry on Aug 16, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

because he's pitching in the majors this year

was a starter in college and could be the second coming of leake. I don’t think its a good idea, but if he’s stretched back out to starter innings next year, he might be better then the AAA guys.

by coffeepac on Aug 16, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

a lot of people are pitching in the majors this year.

most of them aren’t going to be starters next year. i was wondering if there was something specific, not generalities.

by larry on Aug 16, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, I am going off what Bullpen Coach Juan Nieves said today on WSCR..

So, if the branch breaks I’ve got good company on the fall.

"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok

by DrEmilioLizardo on Aug 15, 2010 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

For the same reason Caleb Hanie should start over Cutler

At least that’s what the talk radio callers would be saying if Hanie didn’t get hurt.

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Aug 15, 2010 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

estimated strength of remaining schedule
Well that sucked. The Sox lost more ground to the Twins, and now they have to face them three times in their new house of pain this week. With that in mind, I got to wondering about the team’s remaining schedule. Maybe if we can see that Sox had an easier path than the Twins, things wouldn’t feel so terrible.

I used Bill James’ log5 method and for winning percentages I used the team’s Pythagorean records. BaseRuns winning percentage, not real runs scored, runs allowed. Old-school pythag is nerd faux pas these days. I did .02% adjustment for home/road games. I’m a mere novice at this geekery, so if you think I screwed it up and your geekery is stronger than mine, let me know.

I have bad news. For starters, the Sox’s opponent’s W% is .500, as compared to the Twins, which is .488. It also doesn’t hurt that the Twins have a better W% using BaseRuns than the Sox do – .562 to the Sox’s .528. Projecting the rest of the season out, the Twins should win 26 more games, the White Sox 23.

I used some projections to adjust for the Twins injury losses and the White Sox, and I get the Twins winning 25 more games, and the Sox 24.

So what I’m saying is it might be time to appeal to some sort of higher power if you want the White Sox to pull this thing out, because the club’s chances are not looking good now.

http://palehosepariah.wordpress.com/2010/08/15/estimated-remaining-strength-of-schedule/

by larry on Aug 15, 2010 8:57 PM CDT reply actions  

What the fucking fuck happened?

I got out of my car to eat some fucking fresh fish at a fish fry with Sale in line for a win only to find out 2 hours later they managed to piss away another game.

Tonight, we fight as God intended. With 20-sided dice and graph paper.
by The Actual El Guapo on Aug 11, 2010 12:16 AM CDT

by e-gus on Aug 15, 2010 9:16 PM CDT reply actions  

ozzie doesnt like august

"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10

by Ahillock on Aug 16, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought Sale was pitching last night.

Are you, sir, claiming he joined you in a line for a fish fry? Outlandish.

Time to call in the Q!avalry.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 16, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

in other news.

the dilapidated psyche of this fan base, after a few doo-doos, makes for great game threads.

"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold

by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 15, 2010 10:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Or at least

long ones.

"Rather be stupid and win than smart and lose."

-RWShow

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 16, 2010 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

You should stop by when the Sox are winning.

"Before you can say 'sounds of the game,' Mark Kotsay is out." -Chris Rose

by Teahenny Penny on Aug 16, 2010 1:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

.

DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY

by Ozzie Montana on Aug 16, 2010 1:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Twins fan...

Hey don’t get too down on the team you guys!
Sounds like Bless You Boys over here (before they won a series)
It’s meaningful baseball!

I am so looking forward to this series:
Danks vs. Baker
Floyd vs. Liriano
Buerle vs. Pavano

These are going to be awesome games no matter who wins or loses!

by gkasper on Aug 15, 2010 10:59 PM CDT reply actions  

yep

scared me right out of the website for sure!

by gkasper on Aug 15, 2010 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would hope so

Realistically, this series is shaping up to be a merciful neck snapping.

Unfortunately, this sets up a “worst of both worlds” offseason.

The Sox are doing well enough to justify the stupid roster decisions that were made 8 months ago.

So get ready for moar beards. Kotsay’s veteran leadership and clubhouse presence will be cited as a key component of that 25-5 run.

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Aug 16, 2010 5:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Disagree..

Obviously KW didn’t think it was justified, and that was before the losing streak. He traded for Lance Berkman and seemed to go after Adam Dunn. Clearly he didn’t think the situation was acceptable when it was going well, so I’m sure he won’t think so when it’s going poorly.

Of course, while that may help with the Kotsay situation, I’m still baffled by his other recent moves: Pena, Jackson, Teahen, Pierre, Swisher (second time), etc..

by Grinder in Training on Aug 16, 2010 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah I agree,

The only reason Kotsay is still in is b/c we couldn’t get anyone else.

Time to call in the Q!avalry.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 16, 2010 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think

Pena himself is a terrible acquisition, he’s had more than a few outings where he saved our hide this year.

"Rather be stupid and win than smart and lose."

-RWShow

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 16, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

problem is

look at what we gave up for him. allen has been mashing in AAA.

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Aug 16, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think giving up Allen showed a commitment to Paulie beyond 2010. If they re-sign him and he keeps producing, I don’t have a problem with losing Allen.

Today's lesson in Guillenese: "Da Chicaja Juaiso."

by mikecws91 on Aug 16, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

That or Viciedo takes over soon

Today's lesson in Guillenese: "Da Chicaja Juaiso."

by mikecws91 on Aug 16, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Allen, Chris Carter

Id like to still have one of those power bats in the system.

Tonight, we fight as God intended. With 20-sided dice and graph paper.
by The Actual El Guapo on Aug 11, 2010 12:16 AM CDT

by e-gus on Aug 16, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

we couldve gotten more for him back then

something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.

-MarketMaker

by blackoutsox on Aug 16, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

"The Sox are doing well enough to justify the stupid roster decisions that were made 8 months ago"

i think this statement lets management off the hook for the stupid roster decisions they made 8 months ago…if the sox win between 85-89 games, it shouldn’t be considered as unexpected or a pleasant surprise. such a record would be within the range of variation of what many of us projected on average. furthermore, in-season moves may prove (if not already ya know) to be wasteful financially.

i hope one of KW’s kids gets busted for shoplifting or something not so sinister forcing him to retire to focus on family…i say that in jest, but the collection of moves KW has made over the last 2-3 years does not inspire confidence in me going forward.

"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 16, 2010 7:45 AM CDT reply actions  

reply FIAL

to 67WMAQ

"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 16, 2010 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Plus/Minus

Kenny did a fine job of assembling a pitching staff.

On the downside:

Kotsay is a fine bench player. I would rather have Kotsay pinch hit than Jayson Nix. The rest has been covered ad nausea (pun intended).

Teahen extension

Potential offseason problems:

Kotsay and Quentin get raises. AJ gets re-signed. All three should be released.

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Aug 16, 2010 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

i don't think kotsay would make a fine bench player

his wOBA is 0.298, well below what would be considered replacement level, but that’s irrelevant. the point is that kenny knew ozzie would treat him (or jones) as a starting DH.

kenny may have assembled a fine pitching staff, but it’s really expensive and it will limit the scope of what needs to be done during the offseason to improve the team.

"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 16, 2010 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Peavy, Rios, Jackson, Thornton

Are the big raises next year. Danks gets a bump too.

20 million or so rolls off the books if Paulie, AJ, Quentin, and Jenks don’t come back.

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Aug 16, 2010 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

If Paulie and Q don't come back

We have no 1B or DH, so we’re still probably going to have to spend a good chunk of that 20 million, if we want to be competitive.

Not sure I’d really rather have Kotsay over Nix either, Nix can play all the positions Kotsay can.

by Grinder in Training on Aug 16, 2010 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Paulie? Yes. Q? No.

What are the odds of KW re-signing Thome? He still lives in Chicago. The organization still likes him, and the DHydra is an unequivocal failure.

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Aug 16, 2010 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Next year doesn't look so bad

Pitching will a big strength, again.

You’ve got a core of Beckham, Rios, Ramirez up the middle.

Viciedo at 3B, I guess we get another year of Pierre in LF.

AJ is making the decision easy to pull the plug on him, I say bite the bullet and go with Flowers at C. How could we possibly get worse production from catcher than we did this year?

Q will be back, so you’ve got him and Teabag rotating at RF/DH.

They’ll probably re-sign Konerko at 1B.

If anything I’d like to see them give the ABs to Viciedo and Flowers. KW and Ozzie will stomach horrible production from a vet, but for whatever reason they get queasy about getting replacement level from a youngster. There’s a lot more upside to giving Viciedo or Flowers a chance to perform than Andruw Jones or Mark Kotsay. Who knows, they might surprise you like Q did in 2008.

I’m surprised they did what they did so far this year considering the guys they run out there every day.

"We are strong enough as we are and everything fits together in such a way that the only thing we were going to add would be something of an impact guy," KW

by ChicagoPete on Aug 16, 2010 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Suggesting no to bringing back Q to DH?

Or just no that he won’t take up a lot of money? I realize Q wouldn’t take up as much of that 20 million as Konerko, or probably even half as much. I was just saying, if you don’t bring back Q to DH, to bring a different power hitter probably would take a fair chunk of change.

by Grinder in Training on Aug 16, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

No to bringing back Q period

He’s fragile. He’s a headcase. He’s a terrible defender.

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Aug 16, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, but he's a fragile headcase under our control.

Don’t ever take sides with anyone against the Family again. Ever. …

Nome e addresse per favore

"We are strong enough as we are and everything fits together in such a way that the only thing we were going to add would be something of an impact guy," KW

by ChicagoPete on Aug 16, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

If you can't criticize your own family, whom can you criticize?

Address? At one time I lived at 1933 N Prospect in Milwaukee.

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Aug 16, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Blasphemer!

My good man, this isn’t Kotsay we’re talking about.

"We are strong enough as we are and everything fits together in such a way that the only thing we were going to add would be something of an impact guy," KW

by ChicagoPete on Aug 16, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

If we can make a run at Jayson Werth in the off season, I would gladly let Q go.

Even better if he can come around to DHing. With all the money going to the rotation though, expect to see him in right again.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Aug 16, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Screw that

if we’re going to fantasy free-agent world, I want Carl Crawford over Werth.

"Rather be stupid and win than smart and lose."

-RWShow

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 16, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep. I was just around the corner from Koppa's and Comet

Moved away in 2005.

My going away party was the night the Sox dispatched the Red Sox in the ALDS. I listened to the final out in a cab on the way to Flannery’s. I was so excited I gave the driver a 50, thinking it was a 20.

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Aug 16, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nix can play first?

That’s news to him. Although I’d like to see a 5’8" first baseman.

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Aug 16, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

White Sox Baseball: Crazier Things Have Happened

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Aug 16, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd imagine

A guy who can play the other infield positions and the corner outfield spots, can sub in at 1B in a pinch. It’s not like he’d have to play it well to be more valuable than Mark Kotsay.

by Grinder in Training on Aug 16, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Heh.

He did make your Tampa day grand.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 16, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

There is no reason to release Quentin

Just use him correctly

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Aug 16, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ugh I just looked at TT,

It makes me sick to see how they love Thome. Like looking at happy pictures of an ex-girlfriend with her new boyfriend that you hate. I just get depressed.

Time to call in the Q!avalry.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 16, 2010 8:44 AM CDT reply actions  

Oh sure, they're so happy but we all know that Thome looks fat in that Twins uniform

Meantime, we are locked in our little blog, blaring “Only the Lonely” by the Motels over and over until The Cheat tells us to take out the garbage.

Every now and then, you work up the anger to deface that poster of Thome hitting his 500th home run, drawing stink lines around his armpits. Maybe it would feel better to cross out his name and write JIM BLOWME instead.

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Aug 16, 2010 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I never loved you anyway!

And guess what, I was CHEATING ON YOU.

Time to call in the Q!avalry.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 16, 2010 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

If this race comes out as close as it looks it might and the Twins come out on top

Ozzie and Kenny need to be taken behind the woodshed and possibly axed for passing on Thome when he would have come to us at a discount price. Turning down his services in favor of Kotsay/Jones was out way of shooting ourselves in the foot before the race started and we wonder why we are limping now. It would be entirely fitting, though crushing, to take this race all the way to game 163 again, but this time Thome would get the sole run that puts them over the way he did for us in 2008. I don’t know if anything short of that will get Ozzie to realize how much his defensive DH mandate hurt this team all year.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Aug 16, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

OT: Does anyone know how to find the White Sox Annual Report

I have to analyze a for-profit companies AR for an Accounting course I’m taking for strengths and waknesses, but google has failed me in searching for one.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Aug 16, 2010 9:57 AM CDT reply actions  

So much for enjoying the assignment.

Sorry for all the typos too.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Aug 16, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Couldn't he get the financials via the Illinois Sports Facilities Authority?

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Aug 16, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

They have their own, but they are not-for-profit.

Thanks for the suggestion though.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Aug 16, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

For the stadium

It does give you a peek into one side of the Sox operations.

Plus, it’s Sox-y enough to make accounting classes fun.

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Aug 16, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

There is nothing that makes accounting classes fun

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Aug 16, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cool, but not an annual report with the kind of numbers I need to analyze.

Still, that is a pretty low income off of brand management for the market population the Sox enjoy.

"You’re a cunt, but i’ve got ethics." - U-God

by justjc on Aug 16, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

you need to pass english 098 first

"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold

by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 16, 2010 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Uggh

The last thing I expected to be the undoing of the team this late would be the freaking bullpen.
I am enjoying Jackson’s Peavy impersonation.
I likes me some Sale but no he’s not ready to start next year. Maybe late?
If Jones can’t field… that was terrible yesterday.
AJ’s games need to be cut and now. It’s less than 45 games left. Castro is a better hitter now.
Why the fuck is Beckham still batting 9th?

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Aug 16, 2010 10:13 AM CDT reply actions  

why the fuck indeed

Taking a walk in a donky park listening to the wind of change

by LT_sox_fan on Aug 16, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

nah, that would not be a real sox style of playing

They will lose the series and then will start winning but actually never get close to Twins again. Shit heads will host a playoff series in the first year of the Target field existence. First round exit will follow.

Meanwhile we still have a year of sweet sounds of Liney’s guitar. Walk will be there early for every show. Also we are all in for the beautiful displays of Teahen’s versatility. Guys, it will be great! Q has plenty of bones left that he hasn’t injured yet (there are ~ 206 he can work with, yay!).

I am glad I didn’t get all in “playoff ticket purchase” mode when we were winning. Easier to deal with the losses now. Of course, still frustrating as hell to sit at the park and see us lose the lead late … I always ask myself why do i fucken go to Sunday games, why why why??!!!?!

Taking a walk in a donky park listening to the wind of change

by LT_sox_fan on Aug 16, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

haha

"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold

by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 16, 2010 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

We are having systemic failures, but I wont say that we are "April and May" bad...

"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok

by DrEmilioLizardo on Aug 16, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

thats a lot of mushrooms

"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold

by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 16, 2010 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I take comfort in knowing the Twins have to lose eventually.

…Right?

Today's lesson in Guillenese: "Da Chicaja Juaiso."

by mikecws91 on Aug 16, 2010 11:27 AM CDT reply actions  

Sure...all teams are susceptible to the "suck factor."

"I get hit quite a bit. It just happens, so...no broken bones, nothing to worry about. We'll be back at it again tomorrow." - Carlos Quentin (post-game chat with Hawk and Stone Pony 8/11/10)

by tailgater on Aug 16, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought I was a pessimist.

Get my head bitten off for trying to stay positive. What I meant was, “Maybe someday they’ll lose two in a row.”

Today's lesson in Guillenese: "Da Chicaja Juaiso."

by mikecws91 on Aug 16, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, at least the Gardenhire Twins play in October

like the Guillen White Sox play in August. Twins are 6-18 in the playoffs under Gardenhire, and 2-12in their last four appearances. So, IF they manage to win the Central, I anticipate an early exit.

But by that time, hockey will be here.

by VAChisox on Aug 16, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

this isnt helping

Tonight, we fight as God intended. With 20-sided dice and graph paper.
by The Actual El Guapo on Aug 11, 2010 12:16 AM CDT

by e-gus on Aug 16, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, no it isn't.

I’m not packing it in . . . yet. I just raised it in reply to Mike’s anticipation that the Twins would have to lose sometime. But I also like to point out Gardenhire’s miserable playoff record anytime I become overwhelmed by Twins ballyhoo or depressed by White Sox play.

by VAChisox on Aug 16, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

draft signing deadline today.

white sox have two unsigned: matthew grimes and josef terry.

Georgia Tech is another team waiting on a pair of high school signees. Alex Lavisky and Matt Grimes are still being courted. Lavisky, an eighth-round selection of the Indians, is expected to sign for over slot, while Grimes, a fourth-round pick of the White Sox, is leaning toward going to college. His situation, though, still is volatile and could turn at any second.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/baseball/news?slug=kr-deadline081410

by larry on Aug 16, 2010 11:29 AM CDT reply actions  

Didn't check this thread before I posted in the minor league thread. OOPS!

It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT

by rhythm on Aug 16, 2010 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

If we leave right now I think we can make it to target field in time for the game.

who is with me?

Tonight, we fight as God intended. With 20-sided dice and graph paper.
by The Actual El Guapo on Aug 11, 2010 12:16 AM CDT

by e-gus on Aug 16, 2010 11:49 AM CDT reply actions  

you had me at "Target Field"... I got the ride for us...

"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok

by DrEmilioLizardo on Aug 16, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

blessed mother of acceleration dont fail me now.

google maps says 7 hours 48 from my doorstop.
We have to shave quite a bit of time off that to make it.

Tonight, we fight as God intended. With 20-sided dice and graph paper.
by The Actual El Guapo on Aug 11, 2010 12:16 AM CDT

by e-gus on Aug 16, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

FTG... We got a V-8.

and two turntables and a microphone.

"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok

by DrEmilioLizardo on Aug 16, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

also they play tomorrow.

so making it would be pretty easy.

Im an idiot. I thought the series started tonight.
the day off is probably better for my psyche.

Tonight, we fight as God intended. With 20-sided dice and graph paper.
by The Actual El Guapo on Aug 11, 2010 12:16 AM CDT

by e-gus on Aug 16, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

?

there’s no game today.

hey swisher...........you know.

by BuehrleMan on Aug 16, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

nevermind.

you’re on top of it.

hey swisher...........you know.

by BuehrleMan on Aug 16, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hit it

It’s 560 miles to Minneapolis, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it’s dark, and we’re wearing sunglasses.

Comonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn You White Sox!

by zokmaad on Aug 16, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

(cant) hit it!

Tonight, we fight as God intended. With 20-sided dice and graph paper.
by The Actual El Guapo on Aug 11, 2010 12:16 AM CDT

by e-gus on Aug 16, 2010 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

What no baseball today? At least the Sox can't lose a game today.

"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10

by Ahillock on Aug 16, 2010 12:56 PM CDT reply actions  

We'll be back in contention this time next week

one game back is worst case – I think we will give em a good going over this week

My Beerdrunk soul is sadder than all the dead christmas trees of the world

by hoodlight on Aug 16, 2010 1:14 PM CDT reply actions  

can you tell aj to show up?

"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10

by Ahillock on Aug 16, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can you tell ozzie to sit aj more?

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Aug 16, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's hard to tell Ozzie anything

"'This is an issue Ozzie Guillen obviously feels very passionately about. Ozzie certainly has his own experiences as a player, coach and manager, and is entitled to his own opinions, but the Chicago White Sox believe his views are incorrect.'' - (What should be the) White Sox official statement (on the DH issue and coveting speed over OPS)

by justjc on Aug 16, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

We'll be back in contention this time next week

one game back is worst case – I think we will give em a good going over this week

My Beerdrunk soul is sadder than all the dead christmas trees of the world

by hoodlight on Aug 16, 2010 1:14 PM CDT reply actions  

.

"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10

by Ahillock on Aug 16, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

No

Optimism = what I think won’t happen / how much I have had to drink

My Beerdrunk soul is sadder than all the dead christmas trees of the world

by hoodlight on Aug 16, 2010 1:19 PM CDT reply actions  

optimism = what I think won't happen / how much I have had to drink - reply button

fixed

something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.

-MarketMaker

by blackoutsox on Aug 16, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha I see that.

I was going to call a reply fial, but I was too lazy to hit reply.

Time to call in the Q!avalry.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 16, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

so i go on a little bit of SSS vacation for just about 2 weeks

and the sox shit themselves. let it be known, that i shall be here a little more often in the coming weeks.

i’m gone... bye bitches. - wtgtd

by BoeJouma on Aug 16, 2010 2:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Anyone like baseball? I mean the game of baseball?

Cliff Lee v .David Price tonight. 0-0 in the 4th. 2 Cy guys (candidates). Lee throwing a no-no (against the Rays? Big whoop.).

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 16, 2010 7:01 PM CDT reply actions  

price? cy? pfff.

let me know when he does something against a top tier offense like the sox.

by Trooper on Aug 16, 2010 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Careful, he'll drop the DTM hammer on you.

"I'll worry about the shit rooster they put together because they have no money"
- joewho112

by RWShow on Aug 16, 2010 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

file under: nate silver's take on the espn umpire study.

All of which tells you nothing about the performance of umpires and a lot about the semantic proclivities of a bunch of research assistants sitting around a conference room somewhere in Bristol.

boom…… roasted.
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/08/espn-umpire-study-blows-call.html

hey swisher...........you know.

by BuehrleMan on Aug 16, 2010 7:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Does anybody remember laughter?

http://rememberlaughter.ytmnd.com/

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 16, 2010 7:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Since

Wakamatsu got fired, Figgens probably won’t be traded this offseason, but I think he could be a nice fit for the Sox.

"Rather be stupid and win than smart and lose."

-RWShow

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 16, 2010 9:15 PM CDT reply actions  

what about kotchman!?!?!?!

hey swisher...........you know.

by BuehrleMan on Aug 16, 2010 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

we should call him up

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
White Sox news, Minor Leagues updates and more

by The Wizard on Aug 20, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Honest question

What does Wakamatsu’s firing have to do with trading Figgins?

by joewho112 on Aug 17, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wakamatsu and Figgins apparently did not get along

They had a tussle in the dugout shortly before Wakawaka got the heave-ho.

Today's lesson in Guillenese: "Da Chicaja Juaiso."

by mikecws91 on Aug 17, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Comedy Gold update-

Comedy Channel is showing the “Nightman” episode of Always Sunny in Philadephia

"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok

by DrEmilioLizardo on Aug 16, 2010 9:37 PM CDT reply actions  

They just put Top Gear season 12 on Netflix instant, so that has me for the night.

"the yankees are rachael ray.
god i hate that bitch." by BuehrleMan on Aug 7, 2010 11:48 PM CDT

by South Side Expat on Aug 16, 2010 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rays/Rangers had me.

And then Little League. Well, of course.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 16, 2010 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ladies and Gentleman- we call him THE STIG!

"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok

by DrEmilioLizardo on Aug 16, 2010 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

current lack of cable=non-stop wire marathon

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Aug 16, 2010 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

never heard of it.

hey swisher...........you know.

by BuehrleMan on Aug 16, 2010 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

how's life in the old land?

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Aug 16, 2010 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

dew point down to 59!

life is good.
of course, the fucking students start coming back thursday. (no offense)

hey swisher...........you know.

by BuehrleMan on Aug 16, 2010 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

What about the non-fucking students?

"I'll worry about the shit rooster they put together because they have no money"
- joewho112

by RWShow on Aug 16, 2010 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

there are none.

hey swisher...........you know.

by BuehrleMan on Aug 16, 2010 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dunno, there's alot of enginerds here.

They would fall under that catagory.

Time to call in the Q!avalry.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 17, 2010 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

hey now

no need to kick people when the sox have already brung them low

by coffeepac on Aug 17, 2010 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not all of 'em. Some U of I engineering chicks get downright freaky.

"the yankees are rachael ray.
god i hate that bitch." by BuehrleMan on Aug 7, 2010 11:48 PM CDT

by South Side Expat on Aug 17, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

addresses plz.

"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok

by DrEmilioLizardo on Aug 17, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

1005 West Gregory Drive Urbana, IL

"the yankees are rachael ray.
god i hate that bitch." by BuehrleMan on Aug 7, 2010 11:48 PM CDT

by South Side Expat on Aug 17, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

friggin allen hall kids

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Aug 17, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

frigging Kids in the Hall?

"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok

by DrEmilioLizardo on Aug 17, 2010 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

miss that shit

but nah, the address above is the artsy kids’ dorm at u of i

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Aug 17, 2010 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

none taken

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Aug 17, 2010 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

none taken

When I was a kid, I didn't want to be a doctor or a fireman. I wanted to be Super Mario. It's the most literal pipe dream I've ever had.

by U-God on Aug 17, 2010 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm risking getting you-da-man'd here, but...

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/4788/white-sox-by-eras-1901-2010

Rob Neyer is breaking down each franchise into eras, and here’s the White Sox. Note the shout-out to a certain, unread blogger at the very end.

by CWSKeith on Aug 16, 2010 10:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Aughts fail

Buehrle’s been nearly twice as valuable as Konerko over this time period

by 3E8 on Aug 16, 2010 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

that was my reaction

MB is our player from 2000 to 2010. Paulie comes in second though

something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.

-MarketMaker

by blackoutsox on Aug 16, 2010 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

totally

"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 17, 2010 1:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

40.5 vs 24.7 WAR

"I never say one bad thing about those stupid fucking Cubs fans. Not a single word about those mother-shitting pieces of fuck"

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 17, 2010 2:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

I can see position players getting preference

Simply by virtue of them playing every day, not every fifth.

I suggested Buehrle ‘01-’04, and Konerko ’05-present.

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Aug 17, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for sharing.

I would have selected Chet Lemon over MIke Squires as the face of the 1978-1980 White Sox. Those were bad teams, but Lemon was the consistent bright spot. And for me, Baines was the face of the Sox in the 1980s more than Fisk.

Who’s going to write the book on the 1977 White Sox? Oops, Rob, somebody already has.

by VAChisox on Aug 17, 2010 4:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hard to argue that 44/45 belonged to Johnny Dickshot.

I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok

by mick10 on Aug 17, 2010 6:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Johnny Dickshot wasn't his real name- just his reason for not going to war.

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Aug 17, 2010 6:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jim's mentioned that he has nothing bad to say about Neyer

since he gets linked to ESPN via Neyer. So RN not 100% a tool. But, as always, FRN.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 17, 2010 7:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

I used to read him pretty regularly a few years ago

He’s a tool, but you could do a lot worse than Neyer… cough, cough, Law..

Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.

by Illini0509 on Aug 17, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

White Sox - Harold Baines - Teehans + SSS - cheat = happyawesomefuntimes

therefore, Harold + Cheat + Teehans = the true crap taco?

Tonight, we fight as God intended. With 20-sided dice and graph paper.
by The Actual El Guapo on Aug 11, 2010 12:16 AM CDT

by e-gus on Aug 16, 2010 11:51 PM CDT reply actions  

You forgot Hawk.

He better have a + in front of his name…

"the yankees are rachael ray.
god i hate that bitch." by BuehrleMan on Aug 7, 2010 11:48 PM CDT

by South Side Expat on Aug 17, 2010 1:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

I love this.

Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 17, 2010 7:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

I see what you're saying...

But I could never throw Harold Baines into a crap taco.

Time to call in the Q!avalry.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 17, 2010 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

i love baines too

but as soon as he went out for hip replacement surgery the sox took off.

as soon as he came back they tanked.

Tonight, we fight as God intended. With 20-sided dice and graph paper.
by The Actual El Guapo on Aug 11, 2010 12:16 AM CDT

by e-gus on Aug 17, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

baines had knee replacement. cheat had ouchy hip?

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.

by thatshortkid on Aug 17, 2010 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

riiiiiiight.

Tonight, we fight as God intended. With 20-sided dice and graph paper.
by The Actual El Guapo on Aug 11, 2010 12:16 AM CDT

by e-gus on Aug 17, 2010 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Juan Pierre

JJ wrote a nice piece on Pierre.

Pierre has taken his share of abuse on here this season and there is still 40 something odd games to go but you know what? He’s been fine.
His WAR is up to 1.3 for the season. He’s gotten on base at a decent clip. He’s played good defense and he’s been a good baserunner so far.

Nothing earth shattering but move on…. nothing to see here.

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Aug 17, 2010 9:50 AM CDT reply actions  

Should've just re-signed Podsednik

Similar production, less money, no Ely and Link traded.

Today's lesson in Guillenese: "Da Chicaja Juaiso."

by mikecws91 on Aug 17, 2010 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe you don't want Pierre

but I did not Podsednik back and I could care less about Ely and Link.
Pods WAR is .9

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Aug 17, 2010 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

.309/.356/.393 for $1.65M?

And according to B-R, his WAR is 1.6
Pierre is the one who’s 0.9

Today's lesson in Guillenese: "Da Chicaja Juaiso."

by mikecws91 on Aug 17, 2010 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

B-R

uses a different defensive metric. Fangraphs has him at .9.
Perhaps you missed Podsednik roaming our outfield last year?

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Aug 17, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow

Pierre 0.9, Podsednik 1.6 on B-R
Pierre 1.3, Podsednik 0.9 on FG
That’s quite a difference. Still, I’ll give back 0.4 WAR for $1.35M in 2010, $3M in 2011, and Ely and Link.

Today's lesson in Guillenese: "Da Chicaja Juaiso."

by mikecws91 on Aug 17, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Correcting my own logical fallacy:

Have to take into account the WAR for the rest of 2010 and 2011. Still, I don’t think it will be worth the trade-off.

Today's lesson in Guillenese: "Da Chicaja Juaiso."

by mikecws91 on Aug 17, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Plus with Pods you get to laugh while you facepalm.

See picture located to the right.

Time to call in the Q!avalry.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 17, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

that was not funny.

well, the picture might be funny but the situation which brought it about still has me fuming.

hey swisher...........you know.

by BuehrleMan on Aug 17, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

perhaps you missed a world series winner?

I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok

by mick10 on Aug 17, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah thats solid logic

it was pods. (eyes roll)

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Aug 17, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

he was a big part of getting there as well as winning it.

evidently, you did miss it. on strike perhaps?

I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok

by mick10 on Aug 17, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let me brutally honest

That’s stupid.

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Aug 17, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I also now know to basically

ignore anything that comes out of your mouth.

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Aug 17, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

This Pods talk is clearly coming out another orifice.

"I'll worry about the shit rooster they put together because they have no money"
- joewho112

by RWShow on Aug 17, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Venezuelan Inquisition

Time to imprison or burn at the stake, the heretic Lutherans. Lets rewrite the Edict of Worms.

by Rhubarb on Aug 17, 2010 10:36 AM CDT reply actions  

Unfortunately, I think we're in for a repeat of the Spanish Armada

A protestant wind will blow our Sox out of Target Field.

Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!

by 67WMAQ on Aug 17, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

hes one of them!

get him!

Tonight, we fight as God intended. With 20-sided dice and graph paper.
by The Actual El Guapo on Aug 11, 2010 12:16 AM CDT

by e-gus on Aug 17, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

OT - Cubs enjoying the good life regardless of suckitude

From Yardbarker.com:

Lou Piniella let the cat out of the bag Monday night, and there was no going back: the fifth-place Cubs are dining on caviar. Piniella brought up the issue while answering the ubiquitous questions about why the Cubs can never win at Wrtigley Field. One of the things the Cubs did this season was bring in a nutritionist and ban McDonald’s and fast food in the clubhouse. “We’ve got a brand new kitchen, and they had caviar in there today,” he said with a laugh. “I told (clubhouse man Tom Hellmann), ‘Hell, if we were in first place, we’d have a chef from France in here.’” Caviar? For the Cubs? “We just beat the Cardinals, two out of three,” he joked.

"Derrek has a minor disk ball...bulge...bulge disk. Derrek has a minor disk bulge. I sound like a mechanic...ha, ha, ha." - Cubs Manager Lou Piniella reporting on Derrek Lee's injury status (8/16/10).

by tailgater on Aug 17, 2010 10:47 AM CDT reply actions  

agreed.

they should scrap the nutritionist. clearly the reason they’re losing.

by larry on Aug 17, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

More testicles means more iron.

"the yankees are rachael ray.
god i hate that bitch." by BuehrleMan on Aug 7, 2010 11:48 PM CDT

by South Side Expat on Aug 17, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Brad Hawpe put on waivers

MLBTraderumors see him clearing waivers all the way to the White Sox.

Beautiful left handed swing…numbers..not so much.

by Dick Allen's batting helmet on Aug 17, 2010 11:44 AM CDT reply actions  

I saw that today

What would be the asking price for him? His salary is pretty high. His best years seem to be a few years ago, but I’m sure he’s better than Kotsay.

by jimmyjr on Aug 17, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

A few years ago?

He’s having his first bad season, and he’s hurt. You could argue 2009 was his second best season of his career.
He was amazingly consistent for the four years prior to this year. OPS .898, .926, .879, .903 and then .771. He’s only 31, I guess it’s possible he just fell of a cliff, but I have to think the rib thing has more to do with it.

by Grinder in Training on Aug 17, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's also potentially worse than Q in the outfield.

DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY

by Ozzie Montana on Aug 17, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Worse than Q in the oufield....Walker will fix hime... Double shudder.

Probably a rent-a-player for which Colorado probably won’t be asking much for beyond salary relief. He’s gotta be better than Kotsay (jeesh, making the case that the guy can field better than Q and hit better than Kotsay…that’s starting to sound pathetic)

 He’s got a $500K buyout at the end of the year and his option year of 2011 is $10 million. Unless KW thinks he’d be worth the $10 mil in 2011 (he does have that lanky natural ability of a left handed Rios).

by Dick Allen's batting helmet on Aug 17, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

500K isn't much

I’d just be concerned he does’t seem to be getting better. I’d imagine he’ll have a bounce back year next season, but he could easily be miserable the rest of the way this year.

by Grinder in Training on Aug 17, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Walker doesn't need to fix him for him to be an improvement over Kotsay

In the short term, I’m fine with Q in RF and Hawpe as DH. If we begin next year in that position, I will be sad. Not KotsayDH sad but sad.

by joewho112 on Aug 17, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

we would be better with teahen in rf and Q as dh, while saving the cash.

I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok

by mick10 on Aug 17, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, we need to make a move- just for the sake of making a move!

Just ask Buck Showalter.

"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok

by DrEmilioLizardo on Aug 17, 2010 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

anyone who has fox soccer channel and is looking for pre-game entertainment (champions league!), at 4 pm central time (2 hour 15 minutes delayed)

tottenham hotspur will be taking on young boys at wankdorf stadium.

let me repeat that:
tottenham hotspur will be taking on young boys at wankdorf stadium.

preview

hey swisher...........you know.

by BuehrleMan on Aug 17, 2010 12:08 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR...taking on young boys...WANKdorf...

this is great. Wish I could have made it up.

Blah blah something…Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction…blah blah blah

It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT

by rhythm on Aug 17, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

aw shit. sorry about the misinformation.

the game is on live now on comcast. now that fox has the champions league i always forget to look at comcast (it’s also on the regional fox networks).

hey swisher...........you know.

by BuehrleMan on Aug 17, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Anyone else going to the MMJ show at Charter One Pavillion on Northerly Island tonight?

If so, I will be there with Gameday on phone, seek me out. I will be on the pavement in my WhiteSox 83’ style windbreaker.

by Rhubarb on Aug 17, 2010 12:10 PM CDT reply actions  

I will be planted firmly in my Lazy Boy watching the game

with my finger hovering over the channel button, ready to switch over to “Whale Wars” or “I Didn’t Know I Was Pregnant,” should the game get out of hand.

"Derrek has a minor disk ball...bulge...bulge disk. Derrek has a minor disk bulge. I sound like a mechanic...ha, ha, ha." - Cubs Manager Lou Piniella reporting on Derrek Lee's injury status (8/16/10).

by tailgater on Aug 17, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Game is WCIU

It is a shame there is no rain in the forecast…considering the George Lopez/Frasier factor.

by Rhubarb on Aug 17, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

WCIU . . . great

that means I’ll have to watch the Twins feed with Dick Bremer and the Dutchman. I wonder how many times Blyleven will make a case for why he should be in the HOF.

Danks will mow ‘em down tonight. We’ll get this one back.

by VAChisox on Aug 17, 2010 12:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Cue music for tonights's game

Mike McDermott: I’ve often seen these people, these squares at the table, short stack and long odds against them. All their outs gone. One last card in the deck that can help them. I used to wonder how they could let themselves get into such bad shape, and how the hell they thought they could turn it around.

"it’s over, tdogg.

no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry

by Tdogg on Aug 17, 2010 1:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Micheal McDermott - But it was you, walking on fool's avenue, in the Loser's Parade.

Address 620 w. Surf

"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok

by DrEmilioLizardo on Aug 17, 2010 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

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