What Roster Moves Should the White Sox Make?
by larry on Aug 2, 2010 12:47 PM CDT
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PrintThe poll regarding who will make way for Carlos Torres is essentially split between Dayan Viciedo, Mark Kotsay, Brent Lillibridge and Erick Threets, with Kotsay getting the most votes. The reason I put up the poll is because I'm really not sure what the White Sox are going to do. Each of the players have reasons for and against them (logical or not).
I voted for Threets because I think it kicks down the road a bit the really tough decision - which position player goes when Mark Teahen comes back. Assuming he starts the night game, the roster move for Torres needs to be made after the day game on Tuesday. Torres will, in all likelihood, be immediately sent back to Charlotte and a corresponding move will be made prior to Wednesday's game. Teahen could be ready on Wednesday but, since he has yet to play the field for Charlotte on his rehab assignment, I think his return is more likely in the Baltimore series.
If Threets goes, he'll have to be placed on waivers since he's out of options. Threets has pitched okay but he's no great shakes. He may well get through waivers and, even if he doesn't, it's probably not a great loss. Chris Sale has put up good numbers for Charlotte and this may be the opportunity to bring him up.
So the White Sox may well use the Torres spot start to swap Threets for Sale. At worst, that's a lateral move. But that leaves the real decision: what to do when Teahen is ready?
The rumor is that Teahen isn't going to simply be re-taking his former job at third base. This is obviously a good thing. While he's hit about what you'd expect, he's also fielded about what you'd expect. And that combination isn't up to specifications for a contending team. As noted by OSFIB, the combination of Omar Vizquel and Viciedo has done very well offensively recently. Ozzie has used Vizquel primarily against righties, while leveraging Viciedo's ability to hit lefties by starting him against them and then covering for the Cuban's defensive weakness by using Vizquel as a later inning defensive replacement, when the lefty has generally departed the game.
While I think using him in this manner probably is impeding his long term development - Viciedo is going to have to learn to hit righties at some point and he'd get more regular PAs in the minors - if you're in a win now mode, as the White Sox certainly are, I don't see much reason to throw away something that's working pretty well.
That brings us to Brent Lillibridge. Lillibridge has hit very well since his recall in June. He can reasonably play any of the up the middle positions (and has added LF to his repertoire) and he gives Ozzie a plus speed option off the bench to use as a pinch runner. While none of these contributions scream "Keep me!", he provides uses - and uses that Teahen doesn't.
So who on the roster currently does fill the roles Teahen would in a utility role. He's left-handed. Is a below average hitter. Plays right field. Can play first base. This is starting to sound like Mark Kotsay.
And, indeed, one could certainly argue that logic suggests that Kotsay should be the one to go when Teahen returns. If Teahen isn't going to be given a position home, off the bench, he's pretty much a somewhat better Kotsay. The question is, what sort of logic will the White Sox be using when they make this not so easy decision.
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for you podcast types
JJ, Jim and i were all on oral sox’ podcast this week.
http://oralsox.blogspot.com/2010/08/show-19-littles-enough.html
wowza
will definitely listen to that one
Taking a walk in a donky park listening to the wind of change
wgn has the best pre-game music for sox games.
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 2, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Very good stuff...
on this podcast, larry. For those who are interested, skip ahead to the 42:50 mark. That’s when Jim and larry hop on for some of their thoughts.
well, i listened. johnny fever's got nothing on you guys.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
Kotsay has been on thin ice for a year now, right? DFA by Boston last July?
Hasn’t had a positive WAR in 5 years, not even his 1/2 season here last year.
Even he has to know what’s coming. Serious question:
“this not so easy decision”?
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver
i thought that was obvious.
kotsay has lasted this long. someone likes him and considers him of value. and that someone(s) is involved in making this decision.
Ah. By this point though, if reports/rumors/whispers are correct that Kenny regrets giving Ozzie his way re Thome
There shouldn’t be any way he lets him keep Kotsay. Assuming that “someone” is Ozzie of course. I’d guess his first reaction would be to say bye-bye to Viciedo in favor of Kotsay, but even he wouldn’t mess with a good thing at 3B. I hope. Or that intervention would come. Or something.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver
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This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 2, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
can it be a compromise to send down kotsay and bring him up when the roster expands?
is that even possible?
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 2, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
even if he has options remaining,
pardon the use of a meme in the literal context, but i don’t think they disrespect a veteran like that.
disrespect was on my mind too
i just had to ask though…
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 2, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
"The night of the move down, you may feel a slight sting. That's pride fucking with you. Fuck pride! Pride only hurts, it never helps."
"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat
by South Side Expat on Aug 2, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
its a easy decision
the white sox just made it so fucking hard for themselves by throwing everything behind this crap taco, and miraculously they made it this far and they’re going to “fess up”
dont think so
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
Agreed. Makes it all the more frustrating to think of Teahen's pre-season extension, given the way his replacements have played and how the team has done in his absence.
Even down to the development of Alexei’s confidence at SS.
Not that Vizquel is a long-term puzzle piece, or Lilli is bound to keep up his magic forever…
But that damn extension…..we’re practically obligated to keep Teahen around and active (a la Linebrink) despite his providing very little value to the roster.
Kotsay seems like the clear choice to cut, but of course nothing is ever fully logical with our FO. And watch him go on an offensive tear and completely convince Ozzie of his “usefulness” once more.
Viciedo is probably the easy choice
And you can always bring him back up when rosters expand. I guess it’s possible Ozzie has come around to the fact that Kotsay doesn’t really bring much to the team, but I really doubt it.
If I had my way, I’d rather keep the pimp tank up here and go with a Teahen / Jones platoon in RF and Vizquel / Viceido platoon at 3b, while Q! DH’s.
I’m a bit biased with my Lillibridge fandom, but I hope he sticks around, for a utility guy, I think he adds more to the roster than Kotsay.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 2, 2010 1:19 PM CDT reply actions
if we are going to send ptero-bear tank down...
he can get some regular ABs while Kotsay can build his case for dismissal.
I dont want it to be Threets.
I want him around so we can have 3 lefties in the pen down the stretch.
SSS has been able to get a lot of value out of him, but I imagine other sites look at his age and the some of the garbage he’s typing and think that he could be one terrible mistyped post from hanging them up.
-Sox Machine on winningugly
ozzie said if it were up to him it would be a position player because, wait for it
he doesn’t want to not have enough pitchers.
I doesnt want to not have either.
SSS has been able to get a lot of value out of him, but I imagine other sites look at his age and the some of the garbage he’s typing and think that he could be one terrible mistyped post from hanging them up.
-Sox Machine on winningugly
Strongly agree with each and every point here
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.
by NorthSidePaulie on Aug 2, 2010 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions
this is why i start shit with you guys,
61 people believe Linebrink is going to be the guy moved lmfao. knuckleheads.
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 2, 2010 1:22 PM CDT reply actions
absolutely!
too bad the question wasn’t “who would you like moved?”.
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 2, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow. I actually agree with you on something.
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 2, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
you always agree with me, then act like it's the first time ;)
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 2, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
WTGTD is not often retarded
velocity aside. just often abrasive
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
probably because i am watching the games while
these guys are kissing each other’s asses in the game threads.
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 2, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I am no ass kisser!
You could certainly go back and see all of mine and Larry’s arguments in the past for proof of that.
Either I stopped saying stupid things, or Larry stopped caring as much, as we haven’t had hardly even a disagreement in over a year if I can recall.
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 2, 2010 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions
i have two guns, one for each of ya.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
Poor soul. You were just too high strung.
Excellent.
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 2, 2010 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions
And as for the Cheat...
well, I don’t think Cheat has ever responded to a comment of mine except maybe once or twice.
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 2, 2010 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions
you don't = ratings ;)
and that wasn’t a shot at you at all. i think we all know who my true haters here are.
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 2, 2010 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Ah ok. There's no one on here I can truly say I hate. Closest was SSH2005.
But he gone.
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 2, 2010 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions
dfa kotsay, put teahan on waivers, hope to god someone claims him
keep the platoon on vizquel and dayan going, don’t mess with success.
Teahan on waivers...
is actually interesting. It won’t happen because 1) nobody will pick up that contract (I realize this doesn’t prevent the Sox from trying), 2) it will essentially be an admission that obtaining him was a mistake, and 3) he has some value as a solid back-up (but unfortunately he’s not paid that way). But I like the thought.
He'll definitely be put through waivers if only to grant the front office flexibility in trading
Outside of the core guys, you pretty much put everyone making more than the minimum through waivers.
teehan needs to be on the team
My Beerdrunk soul is sadder than all the dead christmas trees of the world
by hoodlight on Aug 2, 2010 1:27 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
That seems so far away.
I’m anxiously awaiting for Don Draper to recognize the errors of his ways and for Edwin Jackson to find control. And if I’ve learned nothing else from SSS, everything can be judged on one game (or TV episode, as applicable).
we need a mad men thread, last night's episode was pretty weak IMO, the kid acting crap needs to stop
sally and her little creeper friend are not the stars of the show nor are they important enough to deserve 20% of the screen time.
glen is the shit
he can get an episode of his fucked up ways once every 2 seasons or so. and sally has become a lot more interesting lately. but my mad men sense was off when don didn’t shove his dick up the nurses ass immediately.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
it can be done but
mad men ain’t the wire
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 3, 2010 1:55 AM CDT up reply actions
higher ceiling
not my money, and hudson’s not chicago tough. i’m all for it.
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 2, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
i'll give you that
maybe they felt they needed another right hander?
what does jackson have? lack of control.
what does coop fix? lack of control.
please don’t think i am high on this guy because of that no hitter. they would have had some restrictions on innings with hudson that they will not have with jackson. i have heard the argument that a 5th starter will not be all that important in the 2nd half. i disagree, in a close division race you need all the bullets you can get.
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 2, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
two examples of what NOT being chicago tough gets you.
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 2, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Heh.
MacDougal had a solid 12.46 ERA (5 games) here then went to the no-pressure Nationals and posted a 3.60 (52 games).
"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT
by Black Sox Baseball on Aug 2, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
also
you are bringing up a rookie starter in a pennant race, not exactly putting your players in the best position to succeed.
i am curious, where can i go to see pitcher splits vs opposing batters? I.E. Edwin Jackson vs Joe Mauer 8 for 24 3 hrs etc… thanks in advance
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 2, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Link fail.. I don't know how to do this properly.
Wouldn’t show up when I tried to use the link feature. This is Edwin Jackson’s page vs. hitters:
by Grinder in Training on Aug 2, 2010 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions
thanks, i was looking all over that site to no avail.
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 2, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
rookie pitchers helping contenders
talk about a long list.
Comonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn You White Sox!
You keep using the phrase "Chicago tough" as if it actually means something.
It doesn’t.
"I'll worry about the shit rooster they put together because they have no money"
- joewho112
mainly said in jest, there IS something to it, albeit minimal.
something they saw in hudson made him expendable. most likely, it was the fact that he would have had to exceed his innings limit, they needed someone they could count on to log innings through september. They have punted enough games already.
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 2, 2010 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, but...
Didn’t Kenny want to flip Jackson for Dunn? If so, he would’ve had to go with Harrell, or Torres, or any other number of fungible AAAA starters
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 2, 2010 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions
did he?
we’ll never know.
like i said at the time, i doubt kenny is that naive, or that rizzo was able to pull a fast one on him.
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 2, 2010 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions
durability was definitely a factor, imo
they traded a two pitch pitcher with questionable control for a slightly older and more expensive one.
Fireworks: Bang?
yeah, he'll clearly step into a career high for innings pitched this year.
that and his high pitch counts per inning might have concerned the sox.
also, i’m not gonna give up hope that coop thinks he can straighten out jackson.
and with his stuff, that could mean a contreras 2nd half ’05 like run. who knows?
but realistically, i’m pretty sure the sox got jobbed by rizzo and made a brutally awful trade because of it. arizona is going to have a hard time losing this trade.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
You know... I think this is one of the first mentions of Contreras '05 I've seen in this debate.
I could be wrong, Lord knows I’ve been distracted bigtime since the start of the deadline (Stupid future in laws and general family big party crap to attend to.)
Even if this has been discussed before, it bears repeating – Seriously, Check out Contreras ’05.
"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat
by South Side Expat on Aug 3, 2010 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions
jackson's slider looks to be a truly premier pitch.
but the velocity is down on that and his fastball a tick this year.
he’s also throwing both of those less and his changeup and curveball more.
jackson has essentially been a 2-pitch pitcher in his career.
perhaps the d-backs have been trying to supress HRs?
his GB% has skyrocketed. that’s certainly gonna change his numbers.
his BABIP is a bit higher in 2010. and his strand rate is down considerably.
i’m guessing those are both partially attributable to more ground balls.
the simple explanation is probably just that his motion is inconsistent.
if the sox can get him to throw more strikes maybe he can improve considerably.
i’d say one way to do that is to just stop throwing the other stuff as much.
get closer to 2:1 fastball:slider and get consistent with them.
colin? larry? jim? what numbers stick out to you of importance for him?
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
could you repeat that? i wasn't paying attention.
I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok
I may bedaman,
but IIRC there was a huge discussion on Fangraphs when he was lights out in ’08 about what a pumpkin he was going to turn into. And he never did in ’08.
I’ve liked him since he was in Tampa. We got jobbed, but at worst (and I truly believe this because I don’t think Hudson is above league average) we broke even, minus the money.
Wait, the money? We got hosed.
Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT
Here's something to refresh the memory:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/edwin-jacksons-changeup-doing-him-no-favors/
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/edwin-jacksons-increased-slider-use/
"Brent Lillibridge - DH" - July 7th, 2010
"Good luck finding a one two punch like us in the league" - BSLillibridge, July 20, 2010
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 3, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
somebody mentioned on that oral sox podcast
that fangraphs has his fastball as being pretty ungood by their runs/100 pitches metric. i’m pretty sure that’s just because he a) ends up throwing it too much because b) he can’t get himself into good counts. that and a problem getting out lefties (lack of third pitch, command again) are the two issues to address. hopefully the result is a useful third pitch and better command.
Fireworks: Bang?
that's what i was thinking, too. his velocity should make that a solid pitch.
if he can throw the fastball for strikes early in the count, he won’t have to throw it as much later in the count. that’ll allow him to throw the slider more, which from ahead in the count will be very tough.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
also there is no humidity in AZ
so a slider is not the best pitch to have in a desert.
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 3, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I file 2007 under "too many rehab projects at one time"
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
Yeah.
I hear all these analysts shrugging off the fifth spot because they’ll only have 10 or so starts in the second half. Last I checked, we were only half a game up.
"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT
by Black Sox Baseball on Aug 2, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
How are the Twins 4/5 starters
I would put Freddy/E-Jax up against them.
Of course, Minny’s 4 and 5 are more likely to get better run support.
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
Baker and Duensing . . .
Baker’s been a big disappointment for them, and I like Freddy in the match up there. Duensing has come out of the bullpen to move into the rotation. He’s pitched well, but is yet unproven as a starter.
he doesn't throw nearly enough change-ups as he needs to.
coop, mark, danks, and the gang can help with that for sure.
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 2, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
The money is a huge deal. And the Sox have a real lack of cost-controlled players.
Then they end up with the need to pay guys like Pierre, Kotsay, and Teahen for no apparent reason.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 2, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
This
Everyone who is advocating this Jackson trade is essentially endorsing next offseasons signings of washed up grinders who bring tons of veteran leadership but little actual baseball skill.
It'll be okay... we will still be basking in the afterglow of another ring.
"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat
by South Side Expat on Aug 3, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
ed jackson wasn't even tampa tough
you expect him to be chicago tough all of the sudden?
I'll only ask once that you and your adorable sweater step away from the door.
by Toonderstrook on Aug 2, 2010 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions
does not look that tough to me
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 2, 2010 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions
what a pussy
he is clearly sniffing his own body odor.
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 2, 2010 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Sniffing your own body odor is the sign of a true man.
"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat
by South Side Expat on Aug 2, 2010 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
No. A wedding date hasn't been set.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver
Maybe it is a difficult decision for them
but it shoudn’t be. Teabag needs to replace Kotsay.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Yup, but I predict it'll be Pimpbeartank.
And I guess it kind of makes sense — he gets regular AB’s, experience vs. righties, etc. I’d be ok with it, though I would like to see Omar at 3rd most of the time.
My God, did I just write that?
by The Actual El Guapo on Aug 2, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Veni Vidi Viciedo needs to draw a walk. Maybe just once. To remember that it's still possible.
His name is Rios and he dances on the sand
I get people are obsessed with this
but you know there are some successful major league players who don’t walk much. Im focused more on him hitting right handed pitching.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
And God showereth down mana upon the deserts.
And Alexei sayeth it was good.
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 2, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I dont mean forever either
i just mean continue to crush the ball and a few walks will come. That and age. I think its a bit cultural.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
what was i thinking?
you guys make it so easy on us….lol.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
true, his Bases on Balls on Balls Not In Play is not sustainable
His name is Rios and he dances on the sand
he's not a hack happy uribe type from what I have seen
My Beerdrunk soul is sadder than all the dead christmas trees of the world
by hoodlight on Aug 2, 2010 4:27 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
hack happy uribe type
uribe ought to put a cap in your ass for spreading such falsities
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 3, 2010 2:01 AM CDT up reply actions
nothing worse than false titties.
I photoshopped a boner on the security guard but it's too dark to see --- billyok
Lieutenant Dayan, dammit.
Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT
by winningugly on Aug 2, 2010 3:39 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
he can still golf
and drink
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 2, 2010 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions
you have a link i can refer to, this is news to me and google isn't giving me much..
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 3, 2010 2:04 AM CDT up reply actions
ah ok. Strike my nickname choice from the list. Better yet, SLASH it.
His name is Rios and he dances on the sand
Bwahahaha!
OPOS.
Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT
by winningugly on Aug 2, 2010 3:55 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
damn
I hate when I write things that are similar to othe things already on the board because I didnt read the whole thing yet.
if we are going to send ptero-bear tank down…
he can get some regular ABs while Kotsay can build his case for dismissal.
SSS has been able to get a lot of value out of him, but I imagine other sites look at his age and the some of the garbage he’s typing and think that he could be one terrible mistyped post from hanging them up.
-Sox Machine on winningugly
blockquote fuck
SSS has been able to get a lot of value out of him, but I imagine other sites look at his age and the some of the garbage he’s typing and think that he could be one terrible mistyped post from hanging them up.
-Sox Machine on winningugly
Yeah, sounds good.
Replacing Kotsay with anybody either effects the daily results just as little or at least somewhat more positively. Plus he provides a good back up (re: he can technically be put at 3B) should, knock on wood, the Vizquel / Viciedo combo start to struggle.
I just wonder who would be better at picking Alexei’s short hops out of the dirt at first: Viciedo or Teahen?
"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT
by Black Sox Baseball on Aug 2, 2010 3:53 PM CDT reply actions
Morneau
Something doesn’t add up. He got his bell rung a month ago – and he’s still a few weeks away from coming back?
Must have been on hell of a concussion.
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
"One hell of a concusssion."
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
Yeah somethings up
Look at how quickly that Greenberg kid from Cubs came back from getting hit in the head
I knew it took a long time to recover...
…did not know it would take two months.
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
Good for him
not good for the White Sox…but good for him nonetheless.
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
Corey Koskie never came back. His shot to the head didnt even *look* that bad.
His name is Rios and he dances on the sand
I don't give a shit what's wrong with him as long as he's not playing
My Beerdrunk soul is sadder than all the dead christmas trees of the world
by hoodlight on Aug 2, 2010 4:10 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Well,
their last 13 games have been against Cleveland, Baltimore, Kansas City, and Seattle. Mourneau, or no Mourneau, they were not likely to lose many of those games. Sox played Oak and Seattle over the same period and lost one game, I think, in the standings to Minnesota.
Tonight they’re in Tampa, so perhaps things shall change.
When he gets back, it may take a while for him to get back into a groove too
so that buys us some time as well.
Which is actually huge.
I think people forget Oakland is a decent team.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Right . . .
I was happy with the way the Sox held serve, especially after what could have rebounded into a disaster after the heartbreak losses in Minnesota. I hoped for 10-3 in that period, and they went 9-4. Now the Sox get to play a reeling Tiger team and gets its turn with the Orioles (although now under the command of Showalter).
I hoped for 9-4 expected 8-5
Oakland is just always a thorn for the Sox.
"it’s over, tdogg.
no. it’s not unlike me. when i make an unqualified statement, it means i’m sure i’m right" Larry
Yes, they are apparently decent, and I have no idea how.
That lineup … just wow.
by The Actual El Guapo on Aug 2, 2010 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions
seriously,
Id take Seatle’s lineup over that, good grief what a rotting pile of garbage
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
they both suck balls
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
Y'know, I knew the Mariners were having a historically bad offensive season, but had no idea how bad it was until I just checked ...
The Mariners are on pace to score 526 runs, which would be the fewest runs scored by an AL team since … well, since the DH was allowed in 1973. That includes, by the way, 1994, which was, you know, a STRIKE YEAR, when teams only played like 112 games all year. Yup, this year’s M’s are on pace to score fewer runs than any team scored in 1994, even though that season did not include 50 games. (To be fair, there were some teams that scored fewer than 526 runs in 1981, the other strike year, so the Mariners have that going for them (which is nice)).
The M’s OPS+, by the way, is 76, last equaled by the 1971 Indians. The 29 year-old reserve first baseman on the ‘71 Indians, with a fine .605 OPS in 52 games? Something, something rhymes with Chalk Charrelson. It’s the Circle of Life.
by The Actual El Guapo on Aug 2, 2010 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
The Mariners are on pace to finish with a lower OPS+ than every team except the Cleveland Spiders.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 2, 2010 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions
they have scored fewer runs in the first inning than any other team in baseball.
they have scored fewer runs in the second inning than any other team in baseball.
they have scored fewer runs in the seventh inning than any other team in baseball.
also, from the DH position they are getting a .531 OPS, last in the AL and almost 100 points lower than the nearest team (LAA has .614. sox have .704).
their futility is quite fascinating.
hey swisher...........you know.
They're just reinventing the way the game is played
They’re too smart to adhere to standard rules.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
I'm taking credit for this.
Now that I’m aware of my powers, I shall pick the Twins to win it all next year.
"I'll worry about the shit rooster they put together because they have no money"
- joewho112
And you'd be at the cellar of the AL West.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 2, 2010 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
they're pretty much the same as the Mariners
if they pitch well and play defense, they’ll do alright.
Fireworks: Bang?
A true grinder would force his mind to work right.
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 2, 2010 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions
a true grinder would get the necessary open brain surgery
and have the grinder rules tattooed to his body for future reference.*
*the damage done to a team by an unhealthy obsession with grindy players being analogous to the accidental destruction perpetrated by Guy Pearce’s character in Memento, of course.
Fireworks: Bang?
i think the sox should help the twins out in this instance
remove linebrink’s head and offer a full head transplant to the twins.
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 2, 2010 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
demented.
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
not literally
and i have heard worse here.
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 2, 2010 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Love the Memento reference
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.
by NorthSidePaulie on Aug 2, 2010 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you people are overstating Teahen's uselessness.
Yes, his contract blows and may strap us financially for the next few years. But, before hitting the DL I think he played right to his expectations, and put up a stat line much more formidable than that of Mark Kotsay.
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
I'm fine with Teahen's bat, if it came with a competent glove.
It doesn’t, and therefore, he is a problem.
"I'll worry about the shit rooster they put together because they have no money"
- joewho112
.
I'll only ask once that you and your adorable sweater step away from the door.
by Toonderstrook on Aug 2, 2010 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions
sounds like a DH to me.
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 2, 2010 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions
You know better than this. White Sox DHs must have quality gloves.
"I'll worry about the shit rooster they put together because they have no money"
- joewho112
well vizquel and Dayan are providing a nice lift at 3B, and between the two of them are performing like a league average starter
if teahan can do that I have no problem with him starting, but I don’t think he can do that.
I sometimes refrain from failing to disagree with those who do not understate the extent to which Teahen's uselessness is overstated.
But then again, I sometimes do the opposite.
by The Actual El Guapo on Aug 2, 2010 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like...
And I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 2, 2010 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions
oh hell yes
Can’t even tell which is the opposite.
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.
by NorthSidePaulie on Aug 2, 2010 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions
had to hit that 3rd rec,
but I honestly have no idea what this means…gives me a headache
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
Send away Threets first,
if he has options for the minor leagues. Then when Teahan gets back, release/demote/waivers/waiver trade awat Kotsay. My idea is that having one more veteran on the bench might be more useful for the time being to help with the young players.
10 minutes to wapner.
If Threets goes, he’ll have to be placed on waivers since he’s out of options.
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
makes the most sense.
unless you want to dfa kotsay, but i do not see that as a realistic option.
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 2, 2010 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmmm
well Kotsay isn’t doing the best, but I wouldn’t get rid of him just yet. But it is kind of a predicament because Threets is doing pretty well, some team might nab him off waivers.
by BaseballRainMan on Aug 3, 2010 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions
threets is the 25th man on that roster
i wont lose any sleep over it.
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 3, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Count me as one who sees Threets as more intriguing than others.......
Overall numbers are solid between MILB and MLB this year, though his MLB split so far against lefties (in very limited action) is not good.
I think on a pure baseball move Kotsay is close to a “no brainer” here, but he clearly is great clubhouse guy that Ozzie like having around.
Well.....Matt Joyce just launched a 2 out 2 run 2B to put the Rays up
4-1 bottom 5. I believe it was the 12th pitch of the AB—-one of the better at bats I’ve seen this season.
I was coming on here to say the same thing.
He started 0-2 to boot.
That was a great AB.
SSS has been able to get a lot of value out of him, but I imagine other sites look at his age and the some of the garbage he’s typing and think that he could be one terrible mistyped post from hanging them up.
-Sox Machine on winningugly
the indians
are going to be cursed as long as they have that logo.
by larry on Aug 2, 2010 8:34 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
that looked bad.
for those not watching, santana got run over. leg got crunched. bad.
hey swisher...........you know.
i was watching on mlb.tv
(without the announcers, thanks!). and you could hear someone on the training staff say something like “straight to the hospital. get a surgeon”. a knee isn’t supposed to go that way. that could be a career ender. totally fucked knee. broken leg.
seriously? damn. that's terrible.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
yeah- it bent backwards.
hes fucked.
SSS has been able to get a lot of value out of him, but I imagine other sites look at his age and the some of the garbage he’s typing and think that he could be one terrible mistyped post from hanging them up.
-Sox Machine on winningugly
Career threating?
What the hell did Cleveland do to piss off whoever runs this universe?
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 2, 2010 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions
maybe not as bad as we thought?
http://twitter.com/tribeinsider/status/20186073908
hey swisher...........you know.
he was pretty useful two years ago
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 2, 2010 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions
hes just on some good meds in other words.
It might not be a career-ender, but its certainly a season-ender.
SSS has been able to get a lot of value out of him, but I imagine other sites look at his age and the some of the garbage he’s typing and think that he could be one terrible mistyped post from hanging them up.
-Sox Machine on winningugly
And of course, he is my catcher in SSS part Deux.
Figures.
"Fuck fangraphs and your fancy designer stats can go pound some hard sand"- Billyok
by DrEmilioLizardo on Aug 3, 2010 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions
prove it.
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 2, 2010 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions
This is genius.
Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT
you must have taken a handful of viagra and a red bull to stay up this late!
"I haven’t gotten to where I am by giving up easily." - Ari Gold
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 2, 2010 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions
this is the funnier of the 2 jokes you've made here.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
It is also old.
I had not seen the first one. Thus, funnier.
Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT
Who ran him over?
Sounds pretty gruesome.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 2, 2010 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions
both of them.
SSS has been able to get a lot of value out of him, but I imagine other sites look at his age and the some of the garbage he’s typing and think that he could be one terrible mistyped post from hanging them up.
-Sox Machine on winningugly
Harold Reynolds was saying he should have let the run score based on the situation
since it was 6-1 at the time.
They went on to say how Posada has had a long and illustrious career and he doesnt block hte plate anymore.
The Tribe just won 6-5.
SSS has been able to get a lot of value out of him, but I imagine other sites look at his age and the some of the garbage he’s typing and think that he could be one terrible mistyped post from hanging them up.
-Sox Machine on winningugly
I have it on very good authority
Harold Reynolds was a serial groper at ESPN.
So FHRITA. Especially with that advice, after the fact. What a ridiculous thing to say.
Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT
yeah, a very dumb thing to say.
do you think he hand picked hazel mae?
SSS has been able to get a lot of value out of him, but I imagine other sites look at his age and the some of the garbage he’s typing and think that he could be one terrible mistyped post from hanging them up.
-Sox Machine on winningugly
look, you take a bitch to boston market, she better expect to give up a hug at the end of that evening.
it’s only right. we’re not talking steak n shake, here. boston. market.
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Aug 3, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
is it pussy of me to think that maybe
we shouldn’t be ending careers over advancing one base? does it sap the realism or goodness of the sport to institute a rule against it?
Fireworks: Bang?
still terrible
the second time i watched it hoping something different would happen
Fireworks: Bang?
my god. that slow-mo from the 3rd base line is just horrid.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
I'd like to think most 3rd base coaches wouldn't bother testing Choo's arm like that.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 3, 2010 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions
nope.
game over.
the twwins have a rp named Anthony Slama.
which i find funny.
SSS has been able to get a lot of value out of him, but I imagine other sites look at his age and the some of the garbage he’s typing and think that he could be one terrible mistyped post from hanging them up.
-Sox Machine on winningugly
the Cubs are hilarious.
SSS has been able to get a lot of value out of him, but I imagine other sites look at his age and the some of the garbage he’s typing and think that he could be one terrible mistyped post from hanging them up.
-Sox Machine on winningugly
AAA club
AAA park
AA fans
Comonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn You White Sox!
by zokmaad on Aug 2, 2010 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have to confess
that for watching baseball I think the park (minus the – charitably – AA fans) is pretty good.
And since it’s considered by some to be the root cause of their problems, well that’s just another plus.
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.
by NorthSidePaulie on Aug 2, 2010 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Really?
I get the “it’s old, so it’s cool to see” thing, but after the first time, is there a worse place to watch a game? Oakland was kind of miserable and I guess Fenway was awful, but I haven’t been back since they redid the place, but the sight lines blow, the seats are uncomfortable, the bleachers are obnoxious, it’s expensive and half the people around you aren’t even real Cubs fans.
I can’t see anyone thinking it’s a good place to see a game beyond the historical value of it.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 3, 2010 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions
It's picturesque on television, but you're insane if you think that's a good place to attend a game.
It is horrendous.
"I'll worry about the shit rooster they put together because they have no money"
- joewho112
i don't know, man. when i think of a game at wrigley, an AA meeting doesn't come to mind.
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Aug 2, 2010 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
After the OAK weekend
it sounds like you can relate. You grateful recovering alcoholic, you.
Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT
18-1
and santo bitterly complained that they were rubbing it in when fielder slid into second and got a piece of dewitt. hey ron, remember when your pitcher beaned a dude in the dome? mercy. terrible.
hey swisher...........you know.
And plus
in the early season matchups the Cubs won most of the games and sent Milwaukee into a funk they never really escaped. Never mind that their pitching mostly sucks.
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game of 2008.
by NorthSidePaulie on Aug 2, 2010 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I saw at a bar.
I would have PAID to hear Santo’s commentary. Ooooohhh. Uggghhhh. Thiiss just isssn’t faaaaiiiir.
"Before you can say 'sounds of the game,' Mark Kotsay is out." -Chris Rose
by Teahenny Penny on Aug 3, 2010 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Have a look at that boxscore.
2 guys had 5 hits, a third had 4.
33 LOB.
Wow.
"I'll worry about the shit rooster they put together because they have no money"
- joewho112
Just remember...
The Cubs keep Santo alive. They don’t keep away the dementia.
"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat
by South Side Expat on Aug 2, 2010 10:44 PM CDT reply actions
Yeup, fail.
"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat
by South Side Expat on Aug 2, 2010 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions
These are now known as "reply fucks".
Just FYI
"I'll worry about the shit rooster they put together because they have no money"
- joewho112
he's so awful
he should be drawn and quartered. or perhaps in his case, halved.
hey swisher...........you know.
His legs give pretty easy when pulled.
"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat
by South Side Expat on Aug 2, 2010 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Gives "pulling my stump" a new meaning.
"Before you can say 'sounds of the game,' Mark Kotsay is out." -Chris Rose
by Teahenny Penny on Aug 3, 2010 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions
nick swisher with a .928 OPS, for those of you keeping score at home.
but i’m sure his attitude would offset that completely, right?
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
Back of the napkin math
Showing teammates your bobblehead = -236 points of OBP.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Aug 3, 2010 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
a lot of people don't realize that barry bonds' numbers were mostly negated by his attitude.
he was slightly above average. certainly not great.
fangraphs will try to tell you that he averaged over 12 WAR/season from 2001-2004
but if you ask his teammates, he was giving away well over 1 WAR/month being an asshole.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
konerko would say the same of thomas
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 3, 2010 2:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Newspaper reaction to Ozzie's comments are....something to behold.
The heads of meat bang away at their keyboards:
The White Sox give Ozzie a golden opportunity to manager in 2003 without MLB Managerial experience. Yet Sandberg, a Hall-of-Famer, works his way up though A, AA, AAA and yet is probably not the front runner on the North Side. Did Ozzie get preferential treatment? Where would Ozzie be without Don Copper? Seems that you give this guy an inch, and he takes a mile. As an example of Latin player contracts in Chgo, doesn’t Soriano and his $17 million/year get a hotel suite on every road trip per his contract, unlike other Cub teammates? And the $17 million relief pitcher on the North side? Maybe some Latino players haven’t had good treatment, but some have done very well indeed.
Never mind the fact that Ozzie was a coach and defacto manager of a team that won the World Series…
I never liked Jay Marriotti but he was right about ozzie and the sports media.I still say someone should look into Iguchi and Ozzie and see if ozzie was bias towards him and of him being traded I bet they will find a story in it.Let me ask you this if ozzie is so bent out of shape about this language issue about Latinos I wonder what his approach is to other race or ethnic players on his team could the racism lie there.
You also got to remember this clown comes from a country were the leader and people hate Americans,and we are letting this taco asks run his mouth not only about this but Arizona,Americans,Gays you name it this burrito chomper can say anything and nothing is done about it, its time to call his asks to the carpet,manage baseball thats what your getting paid to do,if you want to become some advocate on issues well I’m sure the other racist clown in DC will give you a job.
This is a representative sample.
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
The comments are from the Sun-Times
Which, for some reason, attracts posters from Stormfront. Every story is like this.
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
normally the comments in the suntimes and chicagosports.com sites attract the loons,
but this hateful racist rhetoric is sad quite frankly
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 3, 2010 5:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Dinner with an African-American ex-NFL'er last night.
Unprovoked he tells me “What’s up with that Ozzie? Whoo, man!” I was suprised by the lack of support/understanding from a fellow minority. Just goes to show you there always is a pecking order.
Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT
who did he play for?
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 3, 2010 7:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Bengals.
Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT
by winningugly on Aug 3, 2010 6:39 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
it's also likely this ex-nfl'r doesn't have much else in common with posters from stormfront
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 3, 2010 7:01 AM CDT up reply actions
This is one of those "You're Mileage May Vary" situations.
Talked to a former Sox player today who chuckled and compared Ozzie’s comments to Reggie Jackson.
The newspaper comments are beyond vile. They’re just as tactful when it comes to stories about crime, murder, missing persons, etc.
Theain is the guy I Just can’t stand! pierre is almost as bad,he dose get on base more. If Quntin gets any worse trade him. WE NEED HELP!
yep
Cowley is trying to stir the pot yet again and showing his allegiance to the clubhouse. For some reason he thinks he’s the 26th man on the ballclub.
Need to remember that they write these stories to keep the newspapers relevant. As the great, um, mariotti once said, print is dead.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 3, 2010 7:28 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't think Cowley has allegiance to the clubhouse
But I do think the Guillen boys have his ear.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
yep
Cowley is trying to stir the pot yet again and showing his allegiance to the clubhouse. For some reason he thinks he’s the 26th man on the ballclub.
Need to remember that they write these stories to keep the newspapers relevant. As the great, um, mariotti once said, print is dead.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 3, 2010 7:31 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
ripley fale
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 3, 2010 7:47 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
agreed
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 3, 2010 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions
either this is a whoosh or i dont understand your comment
I think all African American NFL players were born in the US. They went to our schools and learned the language. They grew up in our society. Much different than some foreign kid coming here to play baseball coming from a pretty poor and totally different background.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 3, 2010 7:45 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Oppression is oppression.
Blacks, women, Asians, Latins, Indians have all felt the back of the white hand at some point in our history. Effing WASP’s.
Its sort of a chess match right now but some upgrades are still possible with very little cost except money.
by Tdogg on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT
by winningugly on Aug 3, 2010 6:42 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
thank you for pointing that out. people love to group all white people together.
none of my ancestors were in this country in time to do any oppressing.
not that we wouldn’t have liked to, but we weren’t given the opportunity.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
exactly. i'm doing what i can, but a little help would go a long way in letting me become the oppressor i've always dreamed of being.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
The hateful racist rhetoric is the only thing you find there.
The tribune’s site is pretty excellent for that too.. especially after any shooting. I just wonder if any of these people actually live in the Chicago area.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 3, 2010 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions
i think its a newspaper online comments section in general
a couple years ago, i had a student get stabbed by multiple times by his father in a fight. it was horrible. i looked at the comments in the daily herald hoping to see some sympathy expressed towards the student but they were all about the town and how its no surprise that it happened here. i was so disgusted and realized how i never want to read comments again.
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
I really enjoy the comments after a shooting of a police officer.
Really brings out the best in people.
"We can't do it easy. But we may as well do it high." -The Cheat
by South Side Expat on Aug 3, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
With Teahen as a DH again last night, I'm still thinking KotsayDFA.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else."
Earl Weaver
by Chiburb on Aug 3, 2010 5:44 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
logic is dead
This is like having Marshall Faulk on your fantasy football team in 2000 and screwing up the rest of your draft to finish 7th.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 3, 2010 6:01 AM CDT up reply actions
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